[01:32] <cbx33> ping LaserJock 
[01:33] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[01:34] <cbx33> any news?
[01:34] <LaserJock> cbx33: did you sleep?
[01:34] <LaserJock> cbx33: what time is it there?
[01:34] <cbx33> it's 00:34
[01:34] <cbx33> I've not gone to bed yet
[01:34] <cbx33> we had to "pop" out
[01:35] <LaserJock> cbx33: ok, well try to upload again
[01:35] <cbx33> yeh?
[01:35] <cbx33> u think the change of package name will help?
[01:35] <LaserJock> yeah, raphink cleared it out
[01:35] <LaserJock> cbx33: name? or version?
[01:35] <cbx33> LaserJock, you are a legend
[01:35] <cbx33> version
[01:35] <LaserJock> I don't think that would effect it
[01:36] <LaserJock> cbx33: legend?
[01:36] <cbx33> yeh
[01:36] <cbx33> a star
[01:36] <cbx33> ok uploaded
[01:37] <cbx33> we'll have to see
[01:42] <cbx33> I'l be back in 5-6 hours
[01:42] <cbx33> breakfast
[01:43] <cbx33> :D
[01:43] <cbx33> 2 minutes 
[01:43] <cbx33> it's not cos I have 2 email addresses associated with my key is it?
[01:43] <LaserJock> bah
[01:44] <LaserJock> I'm not sure, but it doesn't like it
[01:44] <cbx33> :(
[01:44] <cbx33> ok
[01:44] <cbx33> this sux
[01:44] <cbx33> I spent all that time getting it ready and REVU REFUses to accept it :p
[01:44] <LaserJock> cbx33: talk to siretart or raphink when you get up
[01:45] <cbx33> can you confirm it's been rejected?
[01:46] <LaserJock> pretty sure, the .changes file is in rejected
[01:46] <cbx33> ok
[02:12] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: morning
[02:12] <LaserJock> I guess
[02:12] <jsgotangco> hi!
[02:12] <jsgotangco> raining so hard here
[02:13] <LaserJock> I wish it would a bit
[02:14] <LaserJock> here
[02:14] <LaserJock> we keep having thunderstorms, but it is so dry and hot, the rain never reaches the ground
[02:14] <LaserJock> but the lightning makes it so we end up with fires
[02:16] <jsgotangco> doh
[02:16] <jsgotangco> when it rains hard here, the city streets get flooded
[02:19] <LaserJock> yeah, if it actually rains here for more than like 10 min. there is flash floods
[02:19] <LaserJock> we've got nothing to keep the dirt together ;-)
[02:19] <LaserJock> stupid desert
[02:19] <jsgotangco> lol yeah lots of mud i guess
[02:20] <LaserJock> bah, I wish Gnome used bzr or svn even
[02:20] <jsgotangco> but then manila doesn't have an efficient sewer system either
[02:20] <jsgotangco> err why?
[02:20] <LaserJock> cause I don't know how to use CVS :-)
[02:21] <LaserJock> I'm trying to build sabayon from CVS
[02:21] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[02:21] <LaserJock> actually bzr, but I need gnome-common from CVS
[02:22] <LaserJock> oh excelent, LP has got a bzr branch of it too
[02:22] <jsgotangco> is it updated
[02:22] <LaserJock> not sure, last revision was from 2006-06-12
[02:24] <LaserJock> yep, looks like it is up to date
[02:24] <LaserJock> I think LP is usually within 1 day
[02:26] <LaserJock> we'll see how long this takes, there's 800 revisions
[02:29] <bddebian> Hello
[02:47] <LaserJock> I wonder if the Kalzium guys would mind if I stole their data and pictures :-)
[02:51] <bddebian> heh
[02:51] <LaserJock> they have a lot of data, and they use xml to keep it in
[02:52] <LaserJock> gperiodic is like 1 .c file for the interface and 1 .h that has the data in like a list
[02:52] <LaserJock> kalzium has a glossary of chemistry terms
[03:05] <bddebian> Is kalzium in the archive?
[03:07] <LaserJock> yeah
[03:07] <LaserJock> it's a part of kdeedu I think
[03:07] <bddebian> AH
[03:07] <bddebian> I wondered why I didn't recognize the package name ;-P
[03:19] <Petaris> Can glibc be downgraded on x86_64 to 2.3.4 or be installed along side 2.3.6?
[03:20] <Petaris> I have a peice of software that doesn't seem to like 2.3.6 and tech support suggested downgrading if possible
[03:26] <crimsun> short answer: no.
[03:26] <crimsun> long answer: in a chroot, sure.
[03:36] <sbalneav> Evening all
[03:41] <bddebian> Hello sbalneav
[03:41] <sbalneav> Hello there bddebian 
[05:26] <mhz> hy gys
[05:26] <mhz> hy guys
[05:26] <mhz> hi guys
[05:27] <jsgotangco> you shouldn't be online then
[05:29] <Burgundavia> hey jsgotangco
[05:29] <mhz> jsgotangco: I have... some folks need little support in spanish
[05:29] <mhz> jsgotangco: however, i am in bed :)
[05:30] <mhz> now, if your concern is bout my typos, jsgotangco then you are right, i shouldn't be here :D
[05:30] <mhz> heheh
[05:33] <mhz> simple quiestion divided in two: a) any way clients can boot from Wi Fi ?     b) can a WiFi card be set and work as Access Point?
[05:35] <jsgotangco> a) most likely no. b) set up an ad-hoc network
[05:38] <Burgundavia> mhz: if you have an acess point, turn off the dhcp on it, connect the edubuntu server to one side and it should work
[05:38] <mhz> jsgotangco: thx, and setting such network using same server (the one used for local network and edubuntu), would it repreent a risk?
[05:38] <Burgundavia> the edubuntu server would need to have two nics and the access point would be connected to the lan portion
[05:39] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:39] <mhz> Burgundavia: thx. The scenario is indeed an Edubuntu server with 3 nics: eth0 eth1 and ath0
[05:40] <jsgotangco> hmm it seems limewire uses some kind of implementation of zeroconf
[05:40] <jsgotangco> i see a limewire share at the office building in rhythmbox
[05:41] <mhz> Burgundavia: so there is no access point, just ath0
[05:41] <Burgundavia> hmm, no idea if you wireless nic can do it
[05:42] <jsgotangco> ad-hoc but how effective it will be on what you want to accomplish no idea
[05:58] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: lol, it took almost 2 hrs to branch gnome-common :-)
[05:59] <mhz> re
[05:59] <mhz> sorry guys, I had a slight powercut (about less than a sec)
[05:59] <mhz> and I had to restart everything
[05:59] <mhz> Burgundavia: jsgotangco: i apologyze for that stupid powercut
[06:00] <mhz> last thing I read from you was: <Burgundavia> hmm, no idea if you wireless nic can do it
 ad-hoc but how effective it will be on what you want to accomplish no idea
[09:23] <jsgotangco> hey Nuffing
[09:32] <Nuffing> hey jsgotangco  :)
[09:32] <Nuffing> hey highvoltage 
[09:32] <jsgotangco> Nuffing: hey how are you doing, how was your vacation =)
[09:32] <Burgundavia> hey highvoltage
[09:32] <Burgundavia> congrats on the new and exciting stuff
[09:33] <Nuffing> vac was awesome, thanks
[09:33] <jsgotangco> okayyyy
[09:33] <Nuffing> would have been WAY easier if he had let me show him while I was THERE!
[09:34] <Burgundavia> Nuffing: isn't computer support via phone/email fun>
[09:34] <Burgundavia> ?
[09:34] <Nuffing> Burgundavia, the BEST! :P
[09:34] <highvoltage> hey Nuffing and Burgundavia!
[09:35] <highvoltage> Nuffing: richard 'with us' yet?
[09:35] <Burgundavia> everyday I am reminded why I no longer work support
[09:40] <Nuffing> highvoltage, well kinda
[09:41] <Nuffing> he is officially on board from today, but has suddenly found that he can't rem anything about IRC! Dork.
[09:42] <cbx33> hi all
[09:43] <jsgotangco> Nuffing: doh....
[09:44] <Nuffing> hey cbx33 !
[09:44] <cbx33> hi Nuffing 
[09:45] <Nuffing> so how was 'gay Paris'? 
[09:45] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[09:45] <Nuffing> jsgotangco ^?
[09:45] <Nuffing> that must be pronounced Paree
[09:45] <jsgotangco> Nuffing: we were stuck in an airport hotel
[09:45] <Nuffing> jsgotangco, so did I miss much, apart from the awesome ppl?
[09:46] <Nuffing> jsgotangco, your photos were nice, how hard was it to get into Paris from there?
[09:46] <jsgotangco> oh the people are great as always but for some reason we are cursed with hotels during these sprints?
[09:46] <cbx33> no one here knows how I can create a tooltip like object in pygtk but with an image as well?
[09:46] <jsgotangco> Nuffing: 16 hours
[09:46] <jsgotangco> Nuffing: Manila -> Amsterdam -> Paris
[09:46] <Nuffing> jsgotangco, oic, I meant from the hotel though :P
[09:47] <Nuffing> but wow 16 hrs!
[09:47] <jsgotangco> Hotel->Paris 40min by train which costs 16Euro
[09:47] <Nuffing> yikes!
[09:47] <Nuffing> pricey
[09:48] <jsgotangco> by taxi it would be 50Euro
[09:48] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:49] <jsgotangco> Nuffing: and Laserjock got his wallet pickpocketed in the metro somewhere
[09:51] <cbx33> yeh that sucked big time
[10:03] <JaneW> hi RichEd 
[10:03] <jsgotangco> hey
[10:03] <RichEd> hi JaneW
[10:04] <RichEd> Greetings to all from Richard Weideman ... I'm starting today as Education Program Manager ...
[10:04] <jsgotangco> hey RichEd welcome
[10:04] <RichEd> Thanks jsgotangco
[10:06] <jsgotangco> whats up?
[10:09] <RichEd> I'll be in and around today, setting up & finding my feet ... might not be responding to everything until I get orientated ...
[10:10] <jsgotangco> sure ask away just in case
[10:34] <highvoltage> RichEd: welcome to edubuntu :)
[10:34] <highvoltage> (bbl)
[10:38] <EmxBA> hi
[10:38] <RichEd> hi
[10:45] <EmxBA> hi seveas
[10:45] <Seveas> hi
[10:46] <EmxBA> few weeks ago i got edubuntu cds
[10:46] <EmxBA> they look _great_
[10:48] <jsgotangco> great
[10:51] <EmxBA> anyone? we agreed something about our LUG's page (i am admin there), skolarci.linux.org.ba to be translated to english (by me) and forum shall be opened for that, but none of you said something including edubuntu. i would put a link there to edubuntu site, there are edubuntu 5.10 and 6.06 reviews, ...
[10:53] <jsgotangco> it shouldn't be that difficult, poke highvoltage he's the site admin
[10:53] <jsgotangco> i rarely see a website from bosnia
[10:53] <jsgotangco> that's nice
[10:55] <EmxBA> ok, but i told you that the skolarci.linux.org.ba is THE ONLY SITE for kids and about linux in whole world...happypenguin.org has only games and other site are mostly dedicated to games, skolarci (call it school kids) has apps and games reviews, links for starting a life in linux world :) and a section called "linux school", where kids can learn lots of things about linux itself
[11:04] <EmxBA> i shall speak to highvoltage
[11:09] <RichEd> EmxBA: I'm joining canonical today as the education programme manager ... I would like to chat to you at some stage about good web sites for kids & education & Linux ...
[11:09] <EmxBA> ok, no problem, It would be *great*!
[11:10] <crimsun> welcome, RichEd 
[11:10] <RichEd> hi crimsun ... tx
[11:18] <RichEd> EmxBA: give me until the end of the week to settle in and do my first (ed)ubuntu install ... and then i will be ready to absorb your wisdom :)
[11:20] <EmxBA> ok :) just install it :)
[11:20] <jsgotangco> have fun
[11:27] <RichEd> waiting for my new notebook ... and then taking my first steps in converting from MS to FOSS ...
[11:30] <JaneW> RichEd: I'll hold your hand :P
[11:31] <JaneW> although ogra normally has to hold my hand...
[11:31] <ogra> i'm here, no worries :)
[11:34] <RichEd> ogra: can i ask a few questions regarind partitioning etc ?
[11:35] <RichEd> ragarding even :)
[11:35] <ogra> RichEd, sure
[11:36] <RichEd> background context is me being able to work, not wasting too much of my 40GB drive and able to demo to people in the education space ...
[11:37] <RichEd> my primary work space would be edubuntu ...
[11:37] <RichEd> q1: would i ever want to show people ubuntu as a boot option as well as edubuntu ...
[11:38] <ogra> if you want to show the difference, yes
[11:38] <RichEd> noted ... tx
[11:39] <ogra> brb, reboot
[11:47] <RichEd> ogra: i will need a small MS boot to demonstrate differences & similarities and for occasional non-compatability issues
[11:48] <ogra> so i'd suggest a 4 partition setup ...
[11:48] <ogra> MS, ubuntu, edubuntu and a /home partition 
[11:48] <ogra> (thats five in fact because you should have a swap partition for linux)
[11:49] <RichEd> so i guess /home is for me to store & read from Ubuntu & Edubuntu ?
[11:49] <ogra> yep
[11:49] <RichEd> and swap partition is for me to store & read beteeen MS & Ubuntu & Edubuntu ?
[11:49] <ogra> thats holding all your personal data
[11:49] <ogra> nope
[11:50] <ogra> swap it like the windows tempfile ... if you run out of memory stuff is stored there
[11:50] <ogra> its a fallback ...
[11:50] <RichEd> okay ... virtual memory ... can all the OS share the saome one, or will this be for Ed/Ubuntu and will I use C: for MS
[11:51] <ogra> MS wont use it 
[11:52] <ogra> windows uses a file vs. linux using a partition (which is a lot faster)
[11:54] <RichEd> okay ... understood
[11:54] <RichEd> q2: what partitioning would you recommend for Edubuntu (primary work space) Ubuntu (demo) MS (demo including Office) ... and then /home and then [swap] 
[11:55] <ogra> swap == depending on memory size ... (i'd pick at least the same size as you have memory)
[11:56] <ogra> Ms will surely take 2-3GB no precise idea here, since its ages ago that i installed a windows anywhere
[11:56] <RichEd> 512MB RAM so I will make [swap]  1GB to allow for upgrade ...
[11:56] <ogra> i'd give the ubuntu and edubuntu partitions at least ~3-4GB each
[11:57] <ogra> and take whats left for /home
[11:57] <ogra> also make sure to install windows first, else it will just ignore that there are other OSes and overwrite the bootrecord
[11:58] <RichEd> office takes 2-3GB ! so will give MS 10GB to be safe ...
[11:58] <ogra> heh :)
[11:59] <RichEd> you know just in case the verage person wants to print their school report in brochure format with word art and cyrillic compatibility while being helped along by a paperclip ...
[12:04] <ogra> well, apart from the paperclip openoffice should fulfill all these needs ;)
[12:05] <JaneW> RichEd, OOo does everything MS Office does, PLUS no annoying paperclip! :)
[12:06] <ogra> well, thats another (less diplomatic way) to express it *g*
[12:06] <RichEd> re: also make sure to install windows first ->
[12:07] <RichEd> now for the tricky question ... i've got the hp 4200 on order ... i expect it on friday ... it is the small footprint travel notebook with an external CD drive ...
[12:07] <RichEd> it comes with windows OEM ...
[12:07] <ogra> then you should just shrink the existing windows partition
[12:08] <ogra> the installer offers that
[12:08] <RichEd> windows installer ? offers shrink ?
[12:08] <RichEd> the main problem is that they said they will only ship the CD at month end ... stock supply issue ...
[12:08] <ogra> nope, ubuntu installer
[12:09] <RichEd> okay ... makes more sense ...
[12:09] <ogra> if you get an oem version, isnt a system preinstalled ? 
[12:09] <RichEd> yep ... XP professional (sic)
[12:11] <ogra> should be fine then, the installer should be able to resize that (i never tried though ... through lack of any windows around)
[12:14] <RichEd> now regarding the missing CD drive ... any clever suggestions as to how (if possible) I can install from Edubuntu CD ... I have a LAN and shared windows CD drives at home ...
[12:17] <ogra> hmm
[12:17] <ogra> thats not really a beginner task :)
[12:17] <ogra> couldnt you get a usb CD drive ? 
[12:18] <ogra> there is a possibility to do a network based install, but that requires another machine and a lot of server setup
[12:21] <RichEd> i have asked them for a loan unit ... would prefer to go the easy route for now ... going to phone them now and insist on a loaner ...
[12:37] <RichEd> ogra: another question ... calls to adopt linux are always pushed under the "free os" banner ... great theory ... but how do you actually go about "not paying for windows" ?
[12:38] <RichEd> i was pointed to one dealer in SA who could sell me a DOS notebook ... but i found another offer which was cheaper due to some loyalty dicsounts I have ...
[12:38] <ogra> how would i modify windows programs if i need to ? how fast will they implement a feature i need at MS ?
[12:38] <ogra> how fast are security holes fixed ?
[12:39] <ogra> if i get windows for free, will i also get office ? 
[12:39] <RichEd> yep ... those all very important, but if i am to push educational & student purchases, price to get up & going is often a factor ...
[12:39] <ogra> if i get office for free, will i also get development tools, server software etc ? 
[12:39] <ogra> a linux system is much much more than just the os
[12:40] <ogra> (ubuntu has 17000 software packages)
[12:40] <RichEd> i heard a long time ago that there was a way of getting a refund for a windows purchase ... supposed to be difficult but possible ... does that still apply ... any idea ?
[12:40] <ogra> will i get a liveCD to recover my broken system from MS as well ? 
[12:40] <ogra> etc etc 
[12:41] <ogra> yes, that might be true, but you still only get the bare operating system
[12:42] <RichEd> sure :) not disputing any of these ... just really commenting on how difficult i have found it in SA to find any dealer who would sell me a virgin machine ...
[12:42] <ogra> right, thats hard in germany as well :)
[12:42] <ogra> the big advantage of edubuntu is LTSP here 
[12:42] <RichEd> the problem is that if the new user is supplied with an OS (which he/she has paid for) on their new PC ... then it is harder for us to convince them to convert ... no ?
[12:42] <ogra> you can re-use all your existing hardware with it
[12:43] <RichEd> #1 they start off with windows on first use ... and #2 people are very reluctant to "throw away" the OS they have paid for ... 
[12:43] <ogra> well, as soon as this user needs to do image editing and is told to buy photoshop fior $2000 it looks different :)
[12:45] <JaneW> ogra: there is a lot of piracy here too :P
[12:45] <RichEd> [note]  my questions might be provocative, but my approach is i support FOSS principles 150%, but i am a "skeptical windows convert" ... i'm adopting this aproach because it most resembles the profile of the people i will be dealing with ... existing windows users in education departments & schools ...
[12:46] <ogra> JaneW, well, piracy is illegal :)
[12:46] <JaneW> RichEd: although you will be doing some new installs as well, where they haven;t had anything yet. Those cases are easier, and 'once FOSS, aways FOSS'
[12:46] <RichEd> i've been working with schools & teachers & educational departments for 3 years with HP, and they have been seduced / trapped / brainwashed by "educational licences" from MS ...
[12:46] <JaneW> ogra, indeed
[12:47] <ogra> RichEd, my answer to that would be "try it" and "you will see that there is all software included a human being every needs"
[12:47] <ogra> *ever
[12:48] <RichEd> when you add this to the imbalance between Windows & Linux support (# of trainers, # of support options, # of dealers) then most people take the path of least resistance ...
[12:49] <RichEd> it's not *right* or *best* ... just an observation & comment on my local educational landscape
[12:49] <ogra> yep
[12:49] <ogra> the trick is to get them to try it
[12:50] <ogra> its usually convincing enough if they see whats all included
[12:50] <ogra> and if you ask them for the price they'd pay at MS for all this
[12:51] <ogra> i.e. edubuntu LTSP comes for free, a windows terminal server costs $n per seat ... yearly
[12:51] <RichEd> so let's say we show Edubuntu to a teacher, and he says I want 50 (pure) Edubuntu notebooks for my staff, could we save him 50 x WIndows OEM costs ?
[12:51] <ogra> sure, there are companys that offer laptops with ubuntu :)
[12:53] <RichEd> Can you give me an example, and i will chat further with them ? HP in SA have decided to go with Linspire ... sadly ...
[12:53] <Nuffing> gah dosconnected
[12:54] <Nuffing> dis even
[12:54] <ogra>  the HP offer is ~150 cheaper here if you take the ubuntu variant
[12:54] <Nuffing> ogra did you see my 2 questions?
[12:54] <ogra> Nuffing, nope
[12:55] <Nuffing> boss alert brb
[12:55] <RichEd> okay ... i'll swim upstream via some ex-colleagues to HP in europe and ask them some questions ...
[12:55] <RichEd> Nuffing: change back to JaneW :)
[12:56] <JaneW> sorry
[12:56] <ogra> there are also some IBM resellers in europe offering ubuntu
[12:56] <bimberi> hi RichEd, I just scrolled back and read your post about joining Canonical.  Welcome!
[12:56] <RichEd> tx bimberi :)
[12:57] <RichEd> i'll see if i can start a list of "buy with ubuntu pre-installed" resources ... 
[12:57] <bimberi> RichEd: does the role have a global focus? (i'm in australia)
[12:57] <JaneW> ogra my questions were:
[12:57] <JaneW> ogra, how is Edubuntu Daper being received so far?
[12:57] <JaneW> and do you know how many CDs have been ordered so far?
[12:57] <RichEd> yep bimberi ... i'm the filter for all educational queries on ubuntu ... 
[12:58] <RichEd> ogra: 150
[12:58] <bimberi> RichEd: great! :)
[12:58] <JaneW> RichEd, it will be good for you to talk to HedgMadge too, she has more of a teacer focus
[12:58] <RichEd> ogra: 150 euro is "a lot of money" to a student or teacher in SA ... probably 1 weeks wages for a teacher ...
[12:59] <ogra> JaneW, there is a guy from the ministry of education and arts from bayern who is intrested :)
[12:59] <RichEd> or 1 months rooom rental for a university student ...
[12:59] <ogra> apart from that i dont know how many have been ordered, but in paris they were all gone :)
[12:59] <ogra> 20000 was waaay underestimated :)
[12:59] <RichEd> bimberi: give me until next week to settle before you flood me with questions :)
[01:00] <bimberi> RichEd: don't worry i saw that post too ;)
[01:00] <RichEd> JaneW: tx ... not here now ... what's her email ?
[01:01] <JaneW> Susan something...
[01:01] <JaneW> she is active on the mailing list
[01:01] <ogra> Susan Stewart <HedgeMage@binaryredneck.net>
[01:01] <JaneW> ogra: thanks
[01:01] <RichEd> ogra: tx
[01:03] <ogra> JaneW, pfft, powerless, you are in a company that can cut our internet, there is way more power involved :)
[01:03] <bimberi> RichEd: You mentioned listing 'ubuntu preinstalled' resources - the Australian Local Community Team are doing just that (for laptops at this stage) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AustralianTeam/Projects/UbuntuFriendlyNotebooks
[01:03] <JaneW> haha
[01:04] <ogra> RichEd, there is also a project in detroit where they refurbish old HW with edubuntu preinstalled for poor kids
[01:04] <bimberi> RichEd: I'm in process of making it a Marketing Team intiative for other Local Community Teams to pick up - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/UbuntuFriendlyHardwareSuppliers
[01:04] <ogra> talk to jammcq or whiprush about it
[01:05] <RichEd> bimberi: excellent ... i'm definately not here to reinvent the wheel :)
[01:07] <bimberi> RichEd: oh no, i wasn't saying ...   just thought there might be some resources there you could use :)
[01:07] <RichEd> Forgive my ignorance and approach at times ... but i'm coming from 20 years of MS developer / support / user experience as a willing convert to Linux. If something is difficult or unclear to me, chances are our target audience will experience the same problems.
[01:08] <RichEd> bimberi: will be keen to tap all helpful knowledge & resources ... you are already on my list ;)
[01:10] <bimberi> RichEd: yikes ;)
[01:29] <JaneW> RichEd: FYI jammcq is Jim McQuillan as discuss yesterday
[01:29] <JaneW> hi rodarvus :)
[01:30] <ogra> rodarvus, morning rodrigo
[01:31] <rodarvus> good morning
[01:31] <rodarvus> JaneW: hi :)
[01:31] <rodarvus> hi ogra
[01:31] <rodarvus> RichEd: welcome :)
[01:32] <ogra> ********* reminder edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~30min **********
[01:32] <RichEd> rodarvus: thanks :)
[01:36] <JaneW> ogra: oh right it's wednesday!
[01:36] <JaneW> RichEd, weekly meeting at 2pm
[01:37] <JaneW> ogra: good reminder-botting
[01:37] <ogra> :)
[01:37] <ogra> thanks
[01:37] <rodarvus> I wonder if ogra has some kind of alarm setup on his machine
[01:37] <ogra> nah
[01:37] <ogra> heh
[01:38] <ogra> i'm usually around at that time and this is a date i have deeply mounted in my brain :)
[01:38] <JaneW> ogra: I used to forget even WITH calendar reminders :P
[01:39] <rodarvus> tomorrows meeting is going to be fun stuff for me -> 13 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team
[01:41] <JaneW> rodarvus, those were my FAVOURITE
[01:41] <ogra> RichEd, you should take a look at the LAMS project btw, seems that becomes sabdfls future pet project wrt education
[01:42] <rodarvus> JaneW: I wonder if you wait to sleep until after the meeting or wake up at 3am :)
[01:42] <rodarvus> I'll probably wake up really early and start working after the meeting
[01:42] <JaneW> rodarvus, I sed to wake up at 3:40
[01:43] <JaneW> rodarvus, and then try to sleep again at 05:30 but was normally too alert to really sleep again
[01:43] <JaneW> s/sed/used/
[01:44] <JaneW> is it 04:00 UTC now?
[01:44] <ogra> you should really move to a sane TZ :P
[01:44] <JaneW> used to be 02:00 UTC
[01:44] <ogra> gah, my wlan is flaky today
[01:45] <JaneW> yeah UTC -2 to UTC +2 is the only valid band
[01:45] <JaneW> *hide*
[01:46] <rodarvus> k31th: yes, meeting times changed last week
[01:46] <rodarvus> k31th: oh, sorry
[01:46] <ogra> ********* reminder edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~15min **********
[01:46] <rodarvus> JaneW: yes, meeting times changed last week
[01:46] <ogra> we only have 3 times to cope with now, not 4
[01:46] <ogra> and if you live in a sane TZ you dont have to get up at evil times :)
[01:47] <rodarvus> I think we now have 04:00 UTC, 15:00UTC and 23:00 UTC
[01:47] <ogra> nah ... it was something with 7:00 UTC, no ?
[01:47] <rodarvus> sorry, 7:00UTC
[01:48] <rodarvus> ogra: the rest is supposed to be correct
[01:48] <rodarvus> ogra: but actually, I believe meeting times are horrible for Brazil and (at last part of) Australia
[01:48] <JaneW> 23:00 YUK
[01:48] <JaneW> 1am
[01:48] <ogra> we dont have many core devs in either of them though ...
[01:48] <rodarvus> but they seem to be real good for europeans :D
[01:49] <ogra> yeah
[01:49] <ogra> i dodnt really care
[01:49] <ogra> +i made the ones before and i'll make them now as well 
[01:49] <ogra> but before you could have an easy excuse ... (Ibroken alarm clock etc ;) )
[01:50] <ogra> thats not the case anymore :)
[01:50] <ogra> at least for europeans :)
[01:50] <ogra> ********* reminder edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~10min **********
[01:50] <jsgotangco> good evening
[01:51] <jsgotangco> just in time =)
[01:51] <ogra> yeah
[01:51] <ogra> and its not even a council meeting :)
[01:52] <jsgotangco> :P council meetings are always at 4AM my time
[01:54] <jsgotangco> i guess its punishment and a curse
[01:54] <ogra> you just need to move to europe ... 
[01:55] <jsgotangco> easy for you to say, you're european you don't need papers to go anywhere in the world =)
[01:55] <ogra> easily fixed :)
[01:55] <ogra> well, i think i need a visa for the US
[01:55] <ogra> but thats it ...
[01:55] <rodarvus> ********* reminder edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~4min **********
[01:56] <jsgotangco> yuck who wants to go there anyway
[01:56] <rodarvus> ogra: your alarm forgot the 5 minutes tick :D
[01:56] <ogra> rodarvus, yay
[01:56] <ogra> no flint yet ...
[01:56] <ogra> thats unusual ...
[01:57] <JaneW> has flint been behaving?
[01:59] <ogra> sure
[01:59] <ogra> else we'll teach him to, its EDUbuntu, you know ;)
[01:59] <rodarvus> ********* reminder edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~1min **********
[01:59] <rodarvus> :D
[02:00] <ogra> yay
[02:00] <ogra> ********* reminder edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting NOW !! **********
[02:41] <flint> JaneW, hey kiddo how's tricks?
[02:41] <flint> I have been playing with xen on top of the Dapper, very kewl.
[02:42] <JaneW> hi flint
[02:43] <flint> JaneW, Where are you working?  Who is taking care of greatest child in world?
[02:44] <flint> btw your man got reconnected... it just goes round-and-round.. I gotta get some coffee.
[02:45] <flint> Janew, stay well. sksk
[03:05] <ogra> JaneW, we elected lisa as artteam lead and made her a edubuntu member
[03:05] <JaneW> cool
[03:06] <JaneW> surrender even
[03:06] <ogra> apart from that the meeting was rather short and silent
[03:06] <pygi> JaneW, !!! :)
[03:06] <JaneW> he'll need to sign CoC etc before then though
[03:07] <ogra> yep
[03:07] <ogra> and a wikipage, LP account etc
[03:07] <JaneW> true, let's make him jump the flaming hoops first
[03:07] <ogra> rodarvus had to do that too :)
[03:08] <highvoltage> hehe
[03:08] <rodarvus> indeed :)
[03:08] <rodarvus> all this stuff takes a goog while to complete - I'm relieved you only have to do it once :)
[03:08] <JaneW> ok, when is next EC. Date & Time
[03:09] <JaneW> sorry missed this month, was on leave (and forgot)
[03:09] <ogra> in three weeks
[03:09] <jsgotangco> always at 4am always!
[03:09] <ogra> aug 2nd
[03:09] <JaneW> jsgotangco, :P
[03:10] <JaneW> 12:00 or 20:00?
[03:10] <ogra> 20:00 iirc
[03:10] <jsgotangco> its always 20:00
[03:10] <ogra> we should rotate on a three week base :)
[03:10] <ogra> so it flips :)
[03:10] <jsgotangco> oh no please don't im the only one affected
[03:10] <jsgotangco> surely its no hassle
[03:10] <ogra> ok
[03:11] <jsgotangco> brb
[03:42] <highvoltage> RichEd: those away messages aren't cool in ubuntu channels ;)
[03:43] <RichEd> highvoltage: noted
[03:57] <JaneW> did my away msg display?
[03:57] <ogra> luckily not :)
[03:58] <JaneW> hrm, so why did RichEd's? I told him to do it the same way I aways have
[04:01] <jsgotangco> JaneW: you know men ;)
[04:02] <rodarvus> quick reboot, I'll be right back
[04:02] <JaneW> jsgotangco, lol
[04:02] <RichEd> Janew: setting preferences show away messages : now unchecked :)
[04:03] <JaneW> ahh
[04:05] <JaneW> bye edubuteros
[04:06] <ogra> caio JaneW 
[04:06] <ogra> *ciao too :)
[04:06] <JaneW> alwiedersein (sp?)
[04:06] <ogra> auf wiedersehn :)
[04:06] <JaneW> ahh
[04:06] <JaneW> that too ;?
[04:07] <ogra> :)
[04:29] <k31th> yo
[04:29] <Petaris> Hi
[04:30] <rodarvus> the 'quick reboot' took way longer than expectd
[04:30] <rodarvus> linux-2.6.17-4-686 is quite broken at this moment
[04:30] <rodarvus> - initrd is not being automatically generated
[04:30] <rodarvus> - kernel is not being added to grub menu
[04:31] <rodarvus> - ndiswrapper driver is MIA
[04:31] <rodarvus> possibly other stuff too :)
[04:34] <jsgotangco> heh i couldn't even boot my machine after an upgrade :/
[04:34] <rodarvus> jsgotangco: note that I needed to take action on all steps above :)
[04:34] <rodarvus> ogra was having problems on his imac too, if I remember correctly
[04:34] <jsgotangco> thank god im not as smart as you
[04:35] <jsgotangco> id probably have a brain tumour by now if I had to recover on that
[04:51] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[05:36] <EmxBA> hi everyone
[05:37] <EmxBA> seveas: you always come here when I do...few minutes/seconds after me, and I suppose you come here before me :)
[05:50] <ogra> rodarvus, ndis wqas demoted to universe
[05:50] <ogra> *was
[05:54] <rodarvus> ogra: I mean the kernel driver
[05:54] <ogra> yes
[05:54] <rodarvus> its not built inside our image anymore
[05:54] <ogra> yes
[05:55] <ogra> because ndiswrapper was demoted to universe, complain at Keybuk :)
[05:55] <ogra> (including the kernel pieces)
[05:55] <rodarvus> so there should be a ndiswrapper-module-2.6.17-4-686 (and all the rest too)
[05:55] <ogra> its the same sourcepackage for module and utils
[05:55] <ogra> dunno if it even built ...
[05:56] <ogra> so it might be there are no binarys at all 
[05:56] <ogra> (yet=
[05:56] <ogra> )
[05:56] <rodarvus> heh
[05:56] <rodarvus> I'll deal with this sometime in the future
[05:56] <rodarvus> but surely not today :D
[05:56] <ogra> ask Keybuk 
[05:56] <ogra> there was a reason why it was dropped
[05:56] <rodarvus> ogra: I will... some day :)
[05:57] <rodarvus> huge stuff
[05:57] <EmxBA>  sgotangco:hi
[06:05] <k31th> anyone know of a bit of software that will use a modem to pick up a fax and save it to a file ?
[07:35] <bddebian> Heya
[08:17] <slashdevnull> Hello, hello.
[08:17] <LaserJock> hi
[08:19] <slashdevnull> Quick q for the dev/support types: I have some ltsp clients that seem to want to boot without displaying the graphical login screen unless you hit alt-F7 after boot. Is this a known issue?
[08:20] <slashdevnull> Ubuntu 6.06 ltsp, beige box ltsp clients.
[08:21] <Yagisan> yes, I get it sometimes too
[08:21] <Yagisan> I have no idea why
[08:22] <Yagisan> but it took 30 seconds to train people to hit Alt+f7 while I try to find out why
[08:22] <Yagisan> I suspect it happens when my network is congested
[08:22] <slashdevnull> Yagisan, what xorg driver are you using? Mine is tdfx for the affected systems.
[08:22] <Yagisan> vesa
[08:22] <slashdevnull> Hrm, interesting.
[08:23] <Yagisan> I made life easy and tried vesa and sis
[08:23] <slashdevnull> We are thinking of upgrading the network in question with a gig-E switch.
[08:23] <Yagisan> vesa was faster
[08:23] <pygi> slashdevnull, that is good ^_^
[08:23] <slashdevnull> The server is already GE equipped, as are some of the thinclients
[08:23] <Yagisan> I had 100 Full duplex to the few systems, but 1000 would be nice
[08:24] <slashdevnull> Should I run the clients at gig also, if they support it, or let the server have more bandwidth than any one (or 10) clients can dish out at it?
[08:24] <pygi> Yagisan, to be honest, I never implemented network on 100Mbit (Edubuntu network) so I wouldn't know how it works
[08:24] <pygi> but 1000Mbit seems reasonable to me
[08:25] <Yagisan> pygi: works fine for up to 6 pc's (haven't tried more, had to borrow a few to demo it)
[08:26] <pygi> 6 might be, but 30 not for sure =P
[08:26] <slashdevnull> I have a 13-client network setup in our training room that works great. it's on gigE. The one I'm having problems with is a customer's network.
[08:27] <slashdevnull> Our 13-client network runs like a charm.
[08:27] <pygi> slashdevnull, great :)
[08:27] <slashdevnull> You'd never even realize that it was thin client. Feels like "phat" client. ;)
[08:28] <Yagisan> pygi: on Debian and the old ltsp, I ran 15 systems on 100. but that was a while ago, and on icewm
[08:29] <slashdevnull> The customer network seems to run into problems when one or more users hit websites with lots of animated flash banners. It looks like the banners are effectively becoming straming video servers. ;)
[08:29] <Burgwork> slashdevnull, thin clients are always going to have problems with rich media, like flash, I suggest you install flashblock
[08:29] <slashdevnull> er, streaming
[08:30] <slashdevnull> Not familiar with flashblock. I'll look it up. If it allows you to pick and choose what gets blocked, or what gets through at least, I can give it a try.
[08:30] <slashdevnull> The user needs to get access to certain flash content
[08:31] <Burgwork> I think you can have it that they can start the flash themselves
[08:31] <Yagisan> urgh flash
[08:32] <pygi> Burgwork, you are right
[08:32] <slashdevnull> cool.
[08:32] <Yagisan> perhaps when the gpl flash system are working fine I won't peg out at 100% cpu when one is loaded
[08:33] <slashdevnull> I realize that ltsp is not the ideal environment for rich media, but given that so many mainstream websites these days are chock full of flash banners, etc., it's pretty hard to avoid "rich media".
[08:34] <Burgwork> pygi, as per usual
[08:34] <Burgwork> ;)
[08:34] <pygi> Burgwork, indeed ^_^
[08:34] <Burgwork> pygi, where are you at with the gedit plugin guy? I saw he produced some code
[08:35] <pygi> Burgwork, right, not much, but at least he did what we told him ^_^
[08:35] <Burgwork> yes
[08:37] <LaserJock> ack, where is the school advocacy doc on edubuntu.org?
[08:40] <LaserJock> nvm, found it
[09:22] <EmxBA> hi
[09:34] <Burgwork> hey EmxBA 
[09:35] <EmxBA> hey Burgwork!
[09:43] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[09:43] <EmxBA> cbx33: hi!
[09:43] <pygi> cbx33, !!!
[09:44] <pontifex> cbx33!
[10:11] <cbx33> hi all
[10:11] <cbx33> sorry I missed the meeting
[10:11] <cbx33> was in a meeting at work :(
[10:11] <cbx33> I have the minutes to do
[10:11] <cbx33> will get those done tomorrow
[10:11] <cbx33> LaserJock, you managed to approve gisomount yet :p
[10:14] <cbx33> bbl
[10:31] <LaserJock> cbx33: not yet
[10:31] <LaserJock> cbx33: busy today
[10:31] <LaserJock> I'll try to do it by the end of the day
[10:43] <cbx33> :D
[10:44] <cbx33> ok
[10:44] <cbx33> np
[10:44] <pygi> cbx33, !!!
[10:53] <cbx33> pygi, ???
[10:54] <pygi> cbx33, nothing ;)
[10:55] <cbx33> sure???
[10:55] <pygi> aha :)
[10:55] <cbx33> ???
[11:04] <pygi> cbx33, just ignore me;P
[11:08] <cbx33> i could never do that
[11:08] <cbx33> not with the skirt and pom poms
[11:09] <cbx33> :p
[11:09] <cbx33> nn all
[11:09] <cbx33> early night for me
[11:09] <cbx33> I may actually get 7 hours tonight
[12:11] <LaserJock> cool, somebody on my local LUG list is interested in getting Linux in schools
[12:12] <ogra> yay
[12:13] <LaserJock> somebody mentioned K12LTSP