[12:57] <Riddell> congratulations nixternal 
[12:58] <jpatrick> err, yeah I think I missed it... congrats nixternal
[12:58] <Riddell> oh, hi jpatrick :)
[12:59] <jpatrick> good night Riddell (as in greeting)
[12:59] <Riddell> that would be buenes notches
[01:00] <jpatrick> well you're half right
[01:00] <jpatrick> it is the night
[01:01] <Riddell> jpatrick: you're still down for a good 5 merges on merge-o-matic, are you going to get to those this week?
[01:01] <jpatrick> I'll try
[01:01] <jpatrick> I'll do them today
[01:01] <Riddell> yay
[01:04] <jpatrick> Riddell: will have to be extra careful, just got turned down by a girl, so whoa
[01:04] <Riddell> :(
[01:07] <jpatrick> I guess that ain't an excuse :)
[01:26] <kwwii> quick, I need a name for the kubuntu theme
[01:27] <kwwii> as of now, it is called O2, since that is the only way you find oxygen in nature
[01:27] <kwwii> in the future, perhaps "Ozone"
[01:29] <kwwii> Riddell: what do you think?
[01:30] <Riddell> kwwii: ozone sounds cool to me
[01:30] <Riddell> oxygen++
[01:30] <Riddell> might have bad connotations I suppose, people might associate it with a hole in the layer
[01:30] <kwwii> hehe
[01:30] <kwwii> yeah, good point
[01:31] <kwwii> I am trying to write an wiki page about the kubuntu artwork philosophy
[01:31] <kwwii> s/an/a
[01:31] <kwwii> something like: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Philosophy
[01:32] <kwwii> kinda hard to do something unique after they made that
[01:32] <kwwii> any ideas, anyone?
[01:33] <Riddell> bridging kde 3 and kde 4
[01:34] <kwwii> yeah, I know....that is kinda the problem
[01:34] <Riddell> how do you embody Freedom in desktop artwork?
[01:35] <kwwii> hehe
[01:35] <Riddell> wow, reading on it does expand on that
[01:36] <kwwii> well, it is very ambiguous, almost sounds like it comes from a text book
[01:36] <kwwii> and how does one change that for another theme?
[01:38] <kwwii> with that definition, you have the ubuntu theme and the fascist-asshole theme
[01:38] <Riddell> :)
[01:39] <kwwii> oh well, nobody ever said that artwork was easy :p
[01:39] <kwwii> oh, wait, yes they have 
[01:39] <kwwii> anyway
[01:39] <kwwii> back to work
[01:58] <Riddell> good morning asia :)
[01:58] <freeflying> Riddell: morning
[02:03] <kwwii> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/KubuntuPhilosophy
[02:03] <kwwii> that is what I have so far
[02:03] <kwwii> 2 am here
[02:03] <kwwii> about time for bed
[02:04] <kwwii> any last comments for today?
[02:04] <allee> kwwii: yeah! nite ;)
[02:05] <kwwii> ;-)
[02:07] <Riddell> seems like a copy of the ubuntu stuff
[02:07] <Riddell> which is fine
[02:12] <kwwii> yeah
[02:12] <kwwii> there are important, subtle changes
[02:12] <kwwii> at least, I hope there are
[02:12] <kwwii> anyway
[02:12] <kwwii> good enough for now, I guess
[02:13] <Riddell> "no matter which desktop they use" nice
[02:13] <kwwii> :-)
[02:13] <kwwii> I was happy that the smiley came out in my browser
[02:17] <kwwii> ok, time for sleep, be back tomorrow
[02:17] <kwwii> bye
[02:29] <bddebian> Hello
[02:42] <nixternal> ty Riddell
[02:44] <bddebian> nixternal: Did you get in?
[02:45] <Riddell> almost
[02:45] <bddebian> almost?
[03:02] <imbrandon> moins Riddell and others awake ;)
[03:10] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:24] <nixternal> almost..ya.lol...waiting for mako
[03:26] <Hobbsee> nixternal: what's up?
[03:28] <nixternal> same ol' same ol'
[03:28] <nixternal> my neice and nephew finally left
[03:28] <nixternal> im wore out
[03:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hehe.  go to bed?
[03:29] <nixternal> 8:30pm...way to early for me
[03:29] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:47] <nixternal> Hobbsee: you use ICQ at all?  Kopete won't connect and tells me that the ICQ server thinks my client is to old.
[03:48] <Riddell> nixternal: known bug, if you want to supply a debdiff against kopete for with this patch http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130630 both ICQ users would be very happy
[03:48] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 130630 in general ""ICQ server thinks the client you are using is too old"" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  
[03:52] <Hobbsee> nixternal: same
[03:52] <Hobbsee> right, i'll do that  next
[03:52] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell 
[03:52] <Hobbsee> i might add that patch in with my current revision
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how do i actually get that patch?   do i go into the svn and grab it, or copy it off the webpage, and modify it?
[03:54] <Riddell> you'd need to get it from websvn
[03:54] <Riddell> or real svn
[03:54] <nixternal> it is in svn
[03:54] <nixternal> it seems it is to the oscartype.h file where the changes are
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: any way of telling what revision it is?  
[03:54] <Hobbsee> that's probably had a fair few revisions
[03:56] <linuxmonkey> Hobbsee: my dear
[03:57] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: what?
[03:57] <linuxmonkey> Hobbsee: check the java page and let me know what you think
[03:59] <Hobbsee> !java
[03:59] <ubotu> java is an object oriented programming language. To install a java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java For the runtime Sun Java install sun-java5-jre from the Multiverse repository
[03:59] <linuxmonkey> i added the prerequisites section :)
[04:00] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: nice :)
[04:00] <linuxmonkey> well thats 1 thing i got done other than rush to the hospital
[04:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm stuck.
[04:07] <RadiantFire> stuck is bad :-(
[04:08] <linuxmonkey> Hobbsee: i told you not to eat all thos jelly donnuts....that will teach ya.
[04:08] <bddebian> heh
[04:08] <bddebian> Hobbsee: Is it a large patch?
[04:11] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's up?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell:  i see the patch from the bug, i've found where it is, but i cant find the revision where it was actually applied.
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: is there some easy way to do that?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> bddebian: no
[04:13] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: heh.  i dont eat donuts anyway.
[04:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: #561015:561016 
[04:14] <Riddell> from the bug report
[04:14] <bddebian> Hobbsee: So do it the old fashioned way :-)
[04:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, i got that far, but how do you actually get that revision from svn?
[04:14] <linuxmonkey> Hobbsee:  can i pm ya for a sec
[04:14] <Hobbsee> linuxmonkey: sure
[04:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: there doesnt seem to be a "search for revision" button
[04:19] <Riddell> Hobbsee: go to http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/3.5/kdenetwork/kopete/protocols/oscar/liboscar/oscartypes.h
[04:19] <Riddell> click diff to previous on Revision 561016 
[04:20] <nixternal> there is less then 10 lines of changes...changing the ICQ info to icqbasic and a few 0x0a4 type addressing
[04:20] <Hobbsee> ah..
[04:20] <Hobbsee> it seems like it works this way.  good.
[04:21] <Hobbsee> found it :)  almost
[04:22] <Hobbsee> GOT IT :D
[04:24] <Hobbsee> okay, i'm going to have to build that when i get home - i dont have time now.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks for the hlep :)
[04:24] <Riddell> no problem, now I can go to bed :)
[04:25] <Hobbsee> ahhh...i was in the wrong branch anyway...
[04:25] <Hobbsee> no *wonder* I couldnt find the revision!
[04:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe, go for it :)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> svn confuses me :(
[04:28] <Hobbsee> it's getting better, but it's still confusing.
[04:33] <bddebian> Hobbsee: :-)
[04:33] <RadiantFire> yay :-)
[04:33] <Hobbsee> bddebian: either that, or slap the hell out of him sometime.
[04:34] <bddebian> Hobbsee: You have my vote :-)
[04:35] <Hobbsee> bddebian: hehe.  i suspect that doing what i'd like to do might just violate the COC.
[04:35] <nixternal> hehe
[04:35] <nixternal> but Hobbsee, it would still be pretty sweet to witness ;)
[04:35] <bddebian> Well I probably violate it every day, so WTF :-)
[04:35] <Hobbsee> although, throwing people out of the window was deemed to possibly be acceptable.  i'd have to bring it up with the CC to ask
[04:35] <bddebian> Is he a dev/MOTU/anything?
[04:36] <Hobbsee> bddebian: i hope not @ coc comment.  i dont think he's even a MOTU
[04:36] <Hobbsee> mind you, i dont know everything, and he may well have done stuff
[04:36] <RadiantFire> i've decided I will do something useful tomorrow, since I'm actually off work for a change...
[04:37] <Hobbsee> RadiantFire: oh good! :)
[04:37] <Hobbsee> RadiantFire: what will you do?
[04:37] <RadiantFire> remember how riddell told me to add a quit button to adept_batch like a week ago...
[04:37] <Hobbsee> RadiantFire: yep
[04:37] <RadiantFire> i have 3 whole days off...
[04:37] <Hobbsee> nice
[04:37] <RadiantFire> 3 days off not having to deal with silly people and even sillier salesmen...
[04:38] <RadiantFire> like the salesman that told some guy he needed the 64-bit OS to run on his intel core duo...
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[04:39] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:39] <RadiantFire> and they didn't believe me cuz I'm just a cashier...
[04:39] <bddebian> heh
[04:39] <RadiantFire> I will laugh when the computer spews terminal error messages when he tries to boot
[04:39] <bddebian> Heya DaSkreech
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Hi bddebian :)
[04:40] <Hobbsee> bye all - work time!
[04:40] <DaSkreech> hi *takes breath*
[04:40] <DaSkreech> hobbsee, imbrandon, nixternal, Riddell, mornfall
[04:40] <imbrandon> ?
[04:40] <nixternal> what
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Drat Hobbsee left :)
[04:40] <nixternal> ?
[04:41] <imbrandon> oh Hi
[04:41] <nixternal> ahhh
[04:41] <nixternal> hi
[04:41] <nixternal> lol
[04:41] <nixternal> i like that one DaSkreech
[04:41] <DaSkreech> :-)
[04:42] <DaSkreech> OK time to start planning my great format
[04:43] <RadiantFire> format of what?
[04:43] <DaSkreech> Dapper
[04:44] <RadiantFire> oh
[04:44] <RadiantFire> lol
[04:44] <DaSkreech> I think i've screwed it up to a point where I'm going to have a Dev install and an actual install
[04:44] <RadiantFire> thats fun
[04:44] <DaSkreech> Half of the things that I install no uninstall a whole slew of other things
[04:44] <RadiantFire> I need the "alternate" cd to install grub somewhere else than the mbr right?
[04:45] <imbrandon> yea ( grumbles about #kubuntu and support )
[04:45] <RadiantFire> lol
[04:45] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:45] <imbrandon> j/k
[04:45] <RadiantFire> I am gonna make a tiny partition for edgy
[04:45] <RadiantFire> and install its grub into that partition
[04:46] <RadiantFire> and have fun testing
[04:46] <imbrandon> heh
[04:46] <imbrandon> vmware ;)
[04:46] <RadiantFire> or I could do that...
[04:46] <RadiantFire> but chainloading grubs is fun :-)
[04:46] <imbrandon> as broken as edgy is atm i would use vmware easy to backup / restore 
[04:46] <RadiantFire> lol
[04:46] <RadiantFire> k
[04:47] <RadiantFire> never used vmware, though I am familiar with qemu
[04:50] <DaSkreech> How much churn is in edgy right now?
[04:55] <bddebian> It's killed two of my machines on dist-upgrade so far :-)
[04:55] <DaSkreech> Hard drives sent in a letter of resignation?
[04:56] <bddebian> No, just choked
[04:56] <bddebian> 1 won't load the hardware drivers so I have no eth0
[04:57] <bddebian> The other has eth0 but I can't set a default route and can't even apt-get update by IP
[05:00] <DaSkreech> So the network card sent in a resignation?
[05:04] <bddebian> Aye :-)
[08:48] <fabo> nobody look to revu before uploading a package ?
[08:55] <crimsun> ?
[08:56] <DaSkreech> Night all
[08:56] <imbrandon> night
[08:56] <imbrandon> DaSkreech, 
[08:56] <imbrandon> fabo, ?
[09:05] <fabo> i've done some month ago a pckage, uploaded to revu
[09:05] <fabo> not reviewed. and yesterday, i saw duplicate work.
[09:06] <crimsun> which packages?
[09:07] <fabo> klibido
[09:07] <fabo> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2269
[09:09] <fabo> it's not important, but it's not an efficient work
[09:12] <fabo> out of scope, but some package on revu can be removed as they are uploaded out of advocating scheme
[09:13] <fabo> maybe ubuntu-motu is more appropriate ?
[10:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ping?
[10:29] <Hobbsee> hi all
[10:29] <imbrandon> pongs
[10:29] <imbrandon> err pong
[10:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heh
[10:30] <imbrandon> brb afk one moment, ask away
[10:31] <Hobbsee> you know, it occurs to me that our kopete 0.12 packages must not have tranlsations.
[10:32] <\sh> moins
[10:32] <Hobbsee> hey \sh!
[10:33] <imbrandon> heya \sh
[10:33] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, hrm i never thought to check since i just use en_US
[10:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: well, seeing as i'm not including a patch about .po files
[10:34] <imbrandon> heh true
[10:35] <imbrandon> does the one on ~riddell/kopete have a .po patch >
[10:35] <imbrandon> or ALL the versions we're working on as of late not have it
[10:38] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: no, just the 0.12 versions of kopete, i expect
[10:38] <imbrandon> hrm 
[10:39] <imbrandon> that bites
[10:39] <imbrandon> lol
[10:55] <andred> hi all
[10:56] <andred> are you guys aware of the kopete icq problem? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130630
[10:56] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 130630 in general ""ICQ server thinks the client you are using is too old"" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]  
[10:56] <andred> people are asking for kubuntu packages all the time :)
[11:00] <Hobbsee> andred: yep
[11:00] <Hobbsee> andred: trying to patch it now, actually
[11:00] <Hobbsee> andred: this fix will be in the kopete 0.12 packages first, then we'll look at sticking it in the kdenetwork 3.5.3 ones
[11:01] <andred> Hobbsee: ok, cool
[11:01] <andred> thanks
[11:01] <Hobbsee> andred: and it'd help if i put my password in properly.  grr.
[11:02] <andred> hehe, indeed
[11:03] <Hobbsee> please work
[11:06] <Hobbsee> grr.  and it didnt.
[11:23] <allee> morning
[11:24] <Hobbsee> hey allee!
[11:34] <mornfall> hola
[11:35] <allee> hey (allee tries to remember what he wanted to typ) Hobbsee (puh, I could remember, can't be that bad this morning)
[11:35] <raphink> hi allee && mornfall
[11:35] <allee> mornfall: hi
[11:35] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:35] <allee> hey raphink morning
[11:35] <raphink> :)
[11:35] <mornfall> i'm somewhat chronically underslept
[11:35] <Hobbsee> anyone good with patches here?
[11:35] <raphink> Hobbsee: do you need to stop smoking?
[11:36] <Hobbsee> raphink: no, kubuntu patches.
[11:36] <raphink> ;)
[11:37] <Hobbsee> raphink: i want to apply http://rafb.net/paste/results/nTOP8I11.html to http://rafb.net/paste/results/MwN7vr33.html but it keeps failing on me
[11:37] <Hobbsee> raphink: i dont think the line numbers are right, but dont know where it starts counting,e tc
[11:38] <raphink> ah
[11:39] <raphink> what does it say when you try to apply the patches manually?
[11:39] <Hobbsee> not sure, didnt try that
[11:39] <raphink> hehe
[11:39] <raphink> do you know how to use patch?
[11:40] <Hobbsee> i got the other patch to work, for some reason
[11:40] <raphink> cd to the kdenetwork dir and run patch -p 2 < debian/patches/yourpatch.diff
[11:40] <raphink> see what you get
[11:40] <Hobbsee> Trying patch debian/patches/02_icq_version_too_old.diff at level 0...1...2...failure. is the errror i get when trying that way
[11:41] <raphink> Hobbsee: did you try what I just said?
[11:41] <Hobbsee> not yet, i'm doign that now
[11:41] <raphink> ok
[11:41] <raphink> you need to be in the kdenetwork directory
[11:41] <Hobbsee> patching file kopete/protocols/oscar/liboscar/oscartypes.h
[11:41] <Hobbsee> Hunk #1 FAILED at 234.
[11:41] <Hobbsee> 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file kopete/protocols/oscar/liboscar/oscartypes.h.rej
[11:41] <raphink> heh
[11:42] <raphink> there you get the error ;)
[11:42] <Hobbsee> ah
[11:42] <raphink> I'd say the easiest way in that case may be to rewrite the patch
[11:42] <raphink> you just need to understand what it does
[11:42] <raphink> and use cdbs-edit-patch to make a new one that does the same
[11:42] <raphink> it would be longer to find out why the patch doesn't work
[11:42] <raphink> most probably the line numbers do not match
[11:43] <Hobbsee> raphink: http://rafb.net/paste/results/XxuUCZ82.html was what it came back with
[11:44] <raphink> that's a very easy patch Hobbsee, you can make a new one from that easily
[11:44] <raphink> you know how to read patches, right?
[11:44] <Hobbsee> should do, yeah
[11:45] <Hobbsee> add this line, take this line out, etc
[11:45] <andred> Hobbsee: could it be that you are trying to patch kopete 0.12 with a patch for 0.11?
[11:45] <Hobbsee> andred: shouldnt be - i thought i took this from kopete 0.12 3.5 directories...
[11:45] <Hobbsee> andred: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdenetwork/kopete/protocols/oscar/liboscar/oscartypes.h?rev=561015&view=log is where it's from
[11:46] <Hobbsee> no, wait
[11:47] <Hobbsee> hi mdz_ 
[11:48] <andred> Hobbsee: you should probably take it from branches/kopete/0.12
[11:48] <mdz> hi
[11:48] <andred> hi
[11:48] <raphink> hi mdz & andred
[01:27] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, mind emailing me what you package up for kopete when your done ?
[01:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: sure
[01:29] <omeow> Hobbsee: Have you ever used ktorrent?
[01:30] <Hobbsee> omeow: i patched it once. never used it - no point.
[01:31] <omeow> Cool, perfect guinea pig then.
[01:31] <omeow> Mind if I /query you a few questions?
[01:31] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:31] <Hobbsee> omeow: go for it
[01:35] <robotgeek> Riddell: looks like it was added
[01:37] <Riddell> robotgeek: what was?
[01:37] <robotgeek> Riddell: the kubuntu burning steps. sorry, was a bit delayed
[02:26] <Hobbsee> andred: you were right, by the way.
[02:27] <andred> Hobbsee: ok. is the package finished already?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> andred: no, i just started lookign at it again
[02:27] <andred> alright
[02:30] <Hobbsee> sigh.  i cant do this.
[02:32] <Riddell> hugs to Hobbsee 
[02:32] <Riddell> what's up?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well, apart from the idiocy of taking kopete 0.11 patches and applying them to 0.12, i cant figure out how to patch this thing so it works.
[02:34] <Hobbsee> it's cdbs, and using simple patch thingo, iirc.
[02:34] <Riddell> have you got the 0.12 patch?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:35] <Hobbsee> i do now
[02:36] <Riddell> does it apply?
[02:36] <Riddell> you may have to edit the headers of the patch to make it at -p1
[02:38] <Hobbsee> and now i lost what i did with the patch.  grr.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/kopete/0.12/kopete/protocols/oscar/liboscar/oscartypes.h?rev=560990&r1=520033&r2=560990&makepatch=1&diff_format=h is what i'm trying to add, i dont know how to modify it
[02:41] <Riddell> Hobbsee: the first two lines are relative to svn, they need to be made relative to the kopete package so s,branches/kopete/0.12,kopete,
[02:41] <Riddell> check if it applies with  patch -p1 < mypatch
[02:41] <Riddell> if it does reverse it and put it in debian/patches
[02:42] <Riddell> ah, there is no debian/patches, so you'll need to make that and add the simple-patch include line to debian/rules
[02:42] <Hobbsee> i did get that much :)
[02:42] <Hobbsee> i'm not totally stupid :P
[02:42] <Hobbsee> even though i feel like it right now
[02:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah, i need to do that from the source dir, or inside debian/patches?
[02:43] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~/Desktop/kopete-3.5.3+kopete0.12.0$ patch -p1 < debian/patches/01_kopete_kdesktop_freeze.diff
[02:43] <Hobbsee> patching file kopete/libkopete/kopeteaway.cpp
[02:43] <Hobbsee> Hunk #1 FAILED at 198.
[02:43] <Hobbsee> Hunk #2 FAILED at 326.
[02:43] <Hobbsee> 2 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file kopete/libkopete/kopeteaway.cpp.rej
[02:44] <Hobbsee> ah ha!  the second one patched.
[02:44] <Riddell> that desktop freeze one must not be the right patch
[02:44] <Riddell> where is it from?
[02:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/kopete/0.12/kopete/libkopete/kopeteaway.cpp?rev=549156&r1=535908&r2=549156&makepatch=1&diff_format=h
[02:46] <Hobbsee> i wonder if that patch is already in there or something.
[02:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee: that applies for me
[02:48] <Hobbsee> i applied that patch yesterday, and i'm now trying to reapply it.  idiot.
[02:48] <Riddell> I'd start again with a fresh package source
[02:48] <Hobbsee> just did
[02:49] <Hobbsee> trying now
[02:49] <Hobbsee> bingo
[02:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks
[02:51] <Riddell> thanks for doing kopete :)
[02:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: does pbuilder automatically try to reverse patches, if they've been applied?
[02:52] <Riddell> no
[02:52] <Riddell> you can do it by hand
[02:52] <Riddell> or you can do  touch debian/stamp-patched; make -f debian/rules reverse-patches
[02:52] <Hobbsee> right, so i can really only rebuild a package once
[02:53] <Riddell> oh it'll reverse them during debuild -S if they've all been successfully applied during building
[02:53] <Riddell> or during pbuilding
[02:53] <Hobbsee> oh right
[02:53] <Riddell> but if you've applied them by hand you have to unapply them by hand too
[02:53] <Hobbsee> right
[02:53] <Hobbsee> and i unapply by hand how?
[02:54] <Riddell> patch -p1 -R < debian/patches/foo
[02:54] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:54] <Riddell> or the command I gave above
[02:54] <Hobbsee> yep, ok
[02:55] <Hobbsee> hey cool!  it's actually working.
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what are you up to today?
[02:56] <Riddell> kubuntu-launchpad-integration!
[02:56] <Hobbsee> ooh fun!  what exactly does that entail?
[02:56] <Riddell> adding some menu items to the help menu
[02:57] <Riddell> which proving more difficult that it should
[02:57] <Hobbsee> heh, great
[03:07] <omeow> Hobbsee: Want to see my research results? :)
[03:07] <Hobbsee> omeow: yep
[03:07] <omeow> (DCC)
[03:08] <omeow> It's just 15 people, but hopefully it's enough.
[03:08] <Riddell> omeow: are you a ktorrent developer?
[03:08] <omeow> No, just some lowly user.
[03:08] <Hobbsee> omeow: haha - i got save totally wrong :P
[03:46] <Tm_Konvi> phuoh
[03:46] <Tm_Konvi> I'm back
[03:46] <Hobbsee> hi Tm_Konvi 
[03:47] <Riddell> hi Tm_Konvi 
[03:47] <Riddell> welcome back
[03:47] <Tm_Konvi> same yes :p
[03:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:47] <Hobbsee> hey you :)
[03:48] <Tm_Konvi> noticed couple minutes ago that adsl has gone alive
[03:48] <Tm_Konvi> sort of freaked me
[03:48] <Hobbsee> Tm_Konvi: we've got nightly konvi builds, fyi
[03:48] <Tm_Konvi> oh
[03:48] <Hobbsee> if you're interested
[03:49] <Tm_Konvi> hmm, I might be
[03:49] <Hobbsee> Tm_Konvi: http://www.buntudot.org/2006/07/07/buntudotorg-repositories/
[03:52] <Tm_Konvi> hum, how's business these days?
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Tm_Konvi: fun, i'm applying for MOTU next week.
[03:53] <Tm_Konvi> :)
[03:54] <Tm_Konvi> weird to use keyboard for irc after so long mobile phone season
[03:56] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:57] <Tm_Konvi> heh, only 3 600 mails
[03:57] <Hobbsee> *ouch*
[03:57] <Hobbsee> send them to /dev/null
[03:57] <Tm_Konvi> I bet my mailboxes just didn't take more
[03:57] <Riddell> anyone running gnome?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: most of the people in #ubuntu-motu, yes
[03:58] <Tm_Konvi> anyway, I think I come hang around after upgrades so see you hopefully soon :) ->
[03:58] <Hobbsee> Tm_Konvi: okay
[04:03] <hunger> Why wasn't qt4 updated to 4.1.4 while you were updating it anyway? Did too much in the packaging change.
[04:05] <Riddell> hunger: good question.  I just synced with debian
[04:06] <Hobbsee> and it built.
[04:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: stevenk's trying to grab you a picture
[04:06] <Hobbsee> oh you *IDIOT*
[04:09] <hunger> Riddell: Oh, so I should go and blame debian:-)
[04:10] <Riddell> hunger: you should offer to package 4.1.4 yourself :)
[04:10] <hunger> Riddell: Yes, I know... but I suck at packaging and I have too little time to learn:-(
[04:10] <Riddell> fair enough
[04:10] <Riddell> I might have time for it today
[04:11] <hunger> Riddell: no need to hurry.
[04:12] <hunger> Riddell: qt4.1 is not really intersting anymore anyway now that you need 4.2 to build kde4.
[04:13] <Riddell> hunger: I also need to fix qt4-x11-kdecopy
[04:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: good shock or bad shock?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: good shock.  my wifi card is working with a later version of ndiswrapper.
[04:13] <hunger> Riddell: Wow... that one will require some work to keep useful.
[04:14] <hunger> Riddell: I would not want to do that...
[04:15] <Riddell> hunger: it's a straight svn checkout with a debian directory, not too hard
[04:18] <hunger> Riddell: Yeap, but it is a frequently changing svn checkout.
[04:24] <hunger> Any idea why I need to /etc/init.d/powersaved restart once to get frequency scaling to work?
[04:45] <Riddell> did anyone test koffice 1.5.2?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nope
[04:45] <Hobbsee> not that i know of
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you ask anyone to?
[04:45] <freeflying|away> Riddell: It's broken in edgy now
[04:45] <Riddell> 19:32 < Riddell> testers needed for   deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-152/ dapper main
[04:45] <Riddell> freeflying|away: what's broken about it?
[04:46] <freeflying|away> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
[04:47] <freeflying|away> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
[04:47] <freeflying|away> that package should be filed.
[04:47] <freeflying|away> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[04:47] <freeflying|away> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:47] <freeflying|away>   koffice: Depends: karbon (>= 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed
[04:47] <freeflying|away>            Depends: kchart (>= 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed
[04:47] <freeflying|away>            Depends: kexi (>= 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed
[04:47] <freeflying|away>            Depends: kformula (>= 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed
[04:47] <nixternal> moins everyone
[04:47] <freeflying|away>            Depends: kivio (>= 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed
[04:47] <freeflying|away>            Depends: koshell (>= 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed
[04:47] <freeflying|away>            Depends: kpresenter (>= 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed
[04:47] <freeflying|away>            Depends: krita (>= 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed
[04:47] <freeflying|away>            Depends: kspread (>= 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed
[04:47] <freeflying|away>            Depends: kugar (>= 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed
[04:47] <freeflying|away>            Depends: kword (>= 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed
[04:48] <freeflying|away>            Depends: kthesaurus (>= 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2) but 1:1.5.0-0ubuntu9 is to be installed
[04:48] <freeflying|away> E: Broken packages
[04:48] <freeflying|away> sorry for flood
[04:48] <Riddell> hmm
[04:48] <Riddell> freeflying|away: you're running edgy ok otherwise?
[04:48] <freeflying|away> Riddell: ya
[04:49] <Riddell> well that's not doing too bad :)
[04:49] <freeflying|away> Riddell: would you mind upload scim-chewing for me?
[04:49] <Riddell> freeflying|away: what happens if you try and install kword?
[04:50] <Riddell> freeflying|away: sure, where do I get it?
[04:50] <freeflying|away> Riddell: I'd mail you soon
[04:50] <freeflying|away> Riddell: 
[04:50] <freeflying|away>   kword: Depends: koffice-libs (>= 1:1.5.0) but it is not going to be installed
[04:50] <freeflying|away>          Depends: kspread (>= 1:1.5.0) but it is not going to be installed
[04:50] <freeflying|away>          Depends: kword-data (< 1:1.5.1) but 1:1.5.2-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[04:52] <freeflying|away> Riddell: sent you the debdiff
[05:03] <Riddell> freeflying|away: checking
[05:04] <freeflying|away> Riddell: thanks
[05:07] <seaLne> Hobbsee: edgy is fine for me on my work desktop
[05:07] <seaLne> strangely i actually miss adept notifier thingy
[05:07] <Riddell> there's no adept notifier?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:07] <seaLne> depends on something
[05:08] <freeflying|away> adept seems not avaliable in edgy now
[05:08] <seaLne> ah actually its installable now
[05:08] <Riddell> it was rebuilt yesterday
[05:08] <seaLne> a few days ago adept was complaining about the version of lib-apt-something
[05:08] <seaLne> ah ok
[05:09] <seaLne> yeah seems fine now
[05:09] <Riddell> but great to hear that edgy is generally working
[05:10] <Hobbsee> as long as you dont want to use evolutoin or something :P
[05:10] <Riddell> freeflying|away: why the change from pinyin to chewing for zh_TW and does that mean scim-pinyin needs changed too?
[05:11] <Riddell> Hobbsee: whyever would you want to use that :)
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: to keep dad happy
[05:11] <freeflying|away> Riddell: guys using zh_TW locales needn'd scim-pinyin
[05:11] <Hobbsee> (yes, it's my router)
[05:11] <mornfall> Hobbsee: your dad is your router? :] 
[05:11] <freeflying|away> Riddell: and the conffile for im-switch of scim-pinyin need change too
[05:11] <seaLne> Riddell: spoke to soon: www2.duffus.org/tmp/adept.png
[05:12] <Hobbsee> mornfall: hehe
[05:12] <seaLne> apt-get is happy enough
[05:12] <Riddell> fun fun
[05:12] <Riddell> freeflying|away: scim-chewing uploaded
[05:13] <mornfall> seaLne: dpkg -l adept?
[05:13] <freeflying|away> Riddell: I'd mail you scim-pinyin's soon
[05:13] <seaLne> 2.1
[05:13] <Hobbsee> mornfall: i own the router, but he owns the internet connectoin, and he throws a hissy fit with an unencrypted network, as then people might login and see all the files on the study computer.
[05:13] <hunger> Wow, kubuntu-desktop is broken because of x-window-system-core only at the moment. Great work guys, yesterday there were dozends of missing packages!
[05:14] <mornfall> Hobbsee: if the only protection of your systems on a wireless is encryption, good luck ;p
[05:14] <Hobbsee> mornfall: well, i'ts an XP machine under a firewall, etc.  but dad's paranoid :P
[05:14] <Hobbsee> my computer's safe enough - it's running kubuntu :P
[05:14] <mornfall> my computer's safe -- famous last words :] 
[05:15] <hunger> mornfall: She said safe *enough*:-)
[05:15] <mornfall> same thing applies :)
[05:15] <mornfall> so what now
[05:15] <hunger> mornfall: My wireless is WEP protected only, but that is safe enough for me as there are several unencrypted networks in the area:-)
[05:16] <mornfall> on that side of things, i am very safe, having no wireless at all :] 
[05:16] <seaLne> hunger: and offer plausible deniability if something dodgy was downloaded :)
[05:16] <mornfall> although there is ethernet wiring all over the place
[05:17] <hunger> seaLne: I got a deniability router for that:-)
[05:17] <mornfall> seaLne: unless your neighbours delight in wiretapping :)
[05:17] <seaLne> heh
[05:18] <mornfall> i suppose i'll just set up openvpn for a wireless if i ever get one
[05:18] <hunger> seaLne: Unencrypted WLAN that is connected to my internet directly and with the same access to the rest of my network as the rest of the net.
[05:18] <mornfall> and put it into the external zone on my firewall ;)
[05:18] <Hobbsee> mornfall: heh, yeah.   nothing much of importance on here.
[05:19] <hunger> Hobbsee: I usually hear that from people to lazy to do backups:-)
[05:19] <mornfall> hmm, backups
[05:19] <Hobbsee> hunger: hehe, true.  i only backup when i'm about to reformat my system.
[05:19] <hunger> Hobbsee: ... before their HD crashes ...
[05:20] <mornfall> my last backup is somewhat aged now
[05:20] <mornfall> although most of the actual important data is mirrored out on the internet
[05:20] <mornfall> like source code :)
[05:21] <mornfall> hrm, 1.1G    txt/irclog
[05:28] <Hobbsee> i'm getting asked to work on a couple of packages in main.  interesting.
[05:29] <mornfall> well, you could adopt adept ;-))
[05:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: why by?  what packages?
[05:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why by?  do you mean who by?
[05:30] <Hobbsee> see u-devel
[05:34] <raphink> hunger: why only when at home?
[05:34] <raphink> Hobbsee: at first I had read "see u-devil" and I was like "who is she talking to?"
[05:35] <hunger> raphink: Because I tend to have really sucky connectivity when abroad:-(
[05:35] <Hobbsee> raphink: hehe #ubuntu-devel
[05:35] <Riddell> Hobbsee: tell him you'll only do the merges if he puts a good word in for you at the tech board :)
[05:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe!
[05:35] <raphink> hunger: ?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> or if i didnt have to do the meeting
[05:35] <hunger> raphink: What were you refering to with: hunger: why only when at home?
[05:36] <raphink> hunger: where you talking about backing a server/desktop or a laptop?
[05:36] <hunger> raphink: No, backing up my laptop to my server.
[05:36] <raphink> oooh ok
[05:36] <raphink> :)
[05:37] <hunger> raphink: The laptop is my only "real" computer...
[05:37] <raphink> hehe
[05:37] <hunger> raphink: servers and infrastructure do not count:-)
[05:37] <raphink> yes I backup my mail to my server, too
[05:37] <raphink> once in a while
[05:37] <raphink> and I should backup more
[05:37] <raphink> actually right now I only sync ~/Mail
[05:38] <raphink> I've got a small script in my ~
[05:38] <raphink> $ ./sync-mail to raphink.net
[05:38] <raphink> :)
[05:38] <raphink> which does what's it's supposed to do :)
[05:39] <raphink> I have to buy a second HD for my server though :s
[05:41] <Hobbsee> whee!  that was fun
[05:42] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what was that?
[05:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: modifying a package in main.
[05:42] <Riddell> that's reassuring :)
[05:42] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:42] <Hobbsee> hey now - i dont really have to understand what the application does to be able to modify and fix it, do i?
[05:44] <mornfall> heh
[05:59] <Hobbsee> right, dpkg works again
[05:59] <Hobbsee> and the patch fixed the bug.  yay.
[05:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ping
[06:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yo
[06:04] <Riddell> hi \sh, going to fix ktorrent?
[06:06] <nixternal> hiya \sh, Riddell, and Hobbsee, if i missed ya i apologize
[06:06] <Hobbsee> ack, sorry
[06:06] <Hobbsee> what did i miss?
[06:06] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal 
[06:06] <nixternal> not a whole lot ;)
[06:06] <Riddell> just my pong
[06:06] <\sh> Riddell: need a rebuild I think
[06:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, great.  well, i just tested, both my patches solve the issues they're supposed to.
[06:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how do you want my fix?  debdiff, and then you rebuild it on your machines, or should imbrandon build, and you copy?  my ftp access here is quite slow, so i try to avoid it if possible
[06:07] <Riddell> Hobbsee: debdiff is nice
[06:07] <Riddell> \sh: it needs the empty .po file rm -f
[06:08] <imbrandon> huh?
[06:08] <\sh> checking
[06:09] <\sh> only a couple of hours to product launch
[06:09] <Riddell> \sh: what are you launching?
[06:09] <\sh> Riddell: www.combots.com
[06:09] <imbrandon> all on ubuntu ? ;)
[06:10] <\sh> the master FAI server is running ubuntu dapper server
[06:10] <imbrandon> nice ;)
[06:10] <Riddell> hello fre1 
[06:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/L7BCxb85.html  thanks :)
[06:13] <DaSkreech> Morning all!!
[06:13] <Hobbsee> seaLne: yeah, gotta love that. 
[06:13] <Hobbsee> hey DaSkreech 
[06:13] <DaSkreech> Hi Hobbsee :)
[06:14] <seaLne> revu uploads get ignored for months then someone else does it grrr
[06:14] <Riddell> seaLne: you need to poke people to review stuff on revu
[06:15] <seaLne> Riddell: at the time i did, i gave up after asking 4 or 5 times
[06:15] <Riddell> really?  did I ignore it?
[06:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you were probably crazily busy, or asleep, at the time.
[06:15] <seaLne> i was just asking on #ubuntu-motu
[06:15] <seaLne> probably
[06:16] <Riddell> there's often not KDE people on #ubuntu-motu
[06:17] <Hobbsee> most non-kde people wont upload kde sutff, either
[06:17] <\sh> it shouldn't matter...
[06:17] <Hobbsee> \sh: yes, it shouldnt, but...
[06:17] <Hobbsee> \sh: then again, we've got you back now :)
[06:18] <\sh> Hobbsee: well...this week it's really hard with time
[06:19] <\sh> next week it will be better
[06:19] <Hobbsee> \sh: yeah, fair enough
[06:19] <nixternal> i know im not much help now, but i am picking up the packaging, so when edgy+1 comes around, I will be ready...i feel it is better to take the time and learn it, then try to jump in right now and mess stuff up
[06:20] <mornfall> btw, i have unsubscribed from malone so if there are adept bugs, they will need to be forwarded to bugs.kde.org for me to notice...
[06:20] <fre1> Riddell: hi, just watching :)
[06:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: do you have bug numbers for those patches?  good for the changelog
[06:21] <Riddell> fre1: oh you'll get sucked in soon enough
[06:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah, upstream ones, i would, yeah
[06:21] <Hobbsee> nixternal: that's what i said too - that i was going ot watch dapper, and wasnt going to do any developing in it, and start with edgy.
[06:21] <Hobbsee> nixternal: and now look what's happened
[06:22] <nixternal> hehe
[06:22] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/bugs/43065
[06:22] <nixternal> but you know what you are doing, so that helps ;)
[06:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43065 in kopete "kdesktop freezes often during RMB actions (dapper)" [Unknown,Fix released]  
[06:22] <nixternal> i haven't done packaging of any sort for probably 6 to 8 years
[06:22] <nixternal> and when i did, it was rpm cuz i was a SuSe guy
[06:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you gave me the link tothe other earlier this morning
[06:23] <Riddell> mornfall: ok
[06:26] <Hobbsee> night all, night Riddell 
[06:26] <Hobbsee> 2.30am = bedtime
[06:27] <Riddell> night Hobbsee, kopete is compiling fine, I'll upload in a bit
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Night
[06:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yay :)  thanks
[06:27] <Hobbsee> night DaSkreech 
[06:30] <\sh> Riddell: which empty po in ktorrent? in the .deb there is nothing
[06:32] <\sh> ./translations/nb/messages/ktorrent.po
[06:32] <\sh> grmpf
[06:33] <Riddell> \sh: see the build log, pkgstriptranslations didn't like it
[06:33] <Riddell> difficult one to test since generally only the buildds have it installed
[06:33] <\sh> yeah...just found it ;)
[06:35] <\sh> Riddell: buildd is just fetching the po files right? so I can remove then after the clean rule
[06:36] <Riddell> \sh: yes
[06:38] <Riddell> Hobbsee: toma was investigating that
[06:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: good, okay
[06:44] <\sh> ok...new server rollout :)
[06:48] <apachelogger> lol
[06:48] <apachelogger> google nowhere claims to have copyright on google earth ^^
[06:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: you don't have to
[06:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: ok :)
[07:01] <toma> yoyo
[07:01] <Riddell> toma: did you discover anything about kopete translations?
[07:01] <toma> Riddell: hmm. that's long ago
[07:02] <Riddell> but did anything come of it
[07:02] <Riddell> or are they really not going to do translations
[07:02] <toma> Riddell: no, they are not doing them
[07:02] <Riddell> crazy
[07:02] <toma> Riddell: yes. 
[07:02] <toma> Riddell: i'll look at it again this evening 
[07:04] <Riddell> it should go into /branches/stable/ and translations would sort themselves out
[07:06] <toma> no, its not keg or playground
[07:06] <toma> so it would require some additional hacking to scrtipy
[07:08] <Riddell> good thing we have rosetta :)
[07:08] <toma> lol
[07:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: debian policy doesn't use opt
[07:13] <Riddell> it's for third party packages
[07:15] <apachelogger> http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#OPTADDONAPPLICATIONSOFTWAREPACKAGES
[07:15] <Riddell> debian-policy agrees with FHS
[07:16] <Riddell> why are you using /opt?
[07:16] <apachelogger> because google earth is static linked
[07:16] <apachelogger> so it should go to opt
[07:16] <apachelogger> unlike suse which just drops anything bigger 50mb in there
[07:17] <Riddell> if you're packaging google earth you'll need a licence from them
[07:18] <apachelogger> haven't cared about that yet - basically I just want to get a binary software packaged (XP) .. plus I hate google earth lying around in my home ;-)
[07:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: so even if it is static software debian policy wants it to be in /usr?
[07:19] <Riddell> nah, it can go into /opt
[07:19] <apachelogger> ah, awesome :)
[07:20] <Riddell> debian-policy isn't intended for proprietry stuff in that respect
[07:20] <apachelogger> sounds meaningful 
[07:21] <Riddell> I wonder how opera is packaged
[07:23] <toma> Riddell: ok, the discussion on the i18n list resulted in unwilling developers to do something about it, after that the discussion went to k-c-d, they have requested to merge the branch back to trunk, which was not denied there. I'm not sure id that is merge is done yet. Will Stephenson was working on that. Maybe you can ping him when he is online, i seem to be out-of-sync online with him.
[07:23] <Riddell> toma: ok, thanks
[07:25] <mornfall> debian-policy doesn't apply to proprietary stuff by definition -- since proprietary stuff is excluded from debian :)
[07:26] <mornfall> although you can still try to meet other points of the policy
[07:26] <mornfall> but:
[07:26] <mornfall> fhs, i think, says that /opt is for site-installed software out of scope of package manager
[07:27] <mornfall> the difference between /opt and /usr/local is only in how the software is organized
[07:27] <mornfall> under /usr/local, it is traditional unix way
[07:27] <mornfall> under /opt, it is directory-per-package
[07:27] <apachelogger> mornfall: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#OPTADDONAPPLICATIONSOFTWAREPACKAGES
[07:27] <apachelogger> has to be static linked as well
[07:27] <Tonio_> yo
[07:27] <Tonio_> little question
[07:27] <Tonio_> if an app exists in debian, but misses in ubuntu
[07:27] <Tonio_> can I pport the package and upload directly, or does it requires revuing ?
[07:28] <mornfall> apachelogger: it probably changed since i last read it
[07:29] <apachelogger> afaik it always has been that static stuff, though this would explain why suse keeps kde, gnome and moz in there
[07:30] <apachelogger> Tonio_: have you already bugged anyone for a license to redistribute google earth?
[07:30] <mornfall> i don't think it has to be static
[07:30] <mornfall> in the linking sense
[07:30] <mornfall> only in the /var vs /usr sense
[07:30] <Tonio_> apachelogger: nope, but that would be a good idea
[07:30] <mornfall> (so it must be possible that /opt is read-only and everything should work)
[07:30] <Tonio_> having it in multiverse would be nice
[07:30] <apachelogger> well
[07:31] <Tonio_> the problem is the ap is crappy
[07:31] <apachelogger> it is?
[07:31] <Tonio_> it requires to be launched as root, and doesn't respect the standard folders
[07:31] <apachelogger> Oo
[07:31] <Tonio_> so the only way to install it is to put everything in /top
[07:31] <Tonio_> top
[07:31] <Tonio_> rahhhhhhh
[07:31] <apachelogger> well
[07:31] <Tonio_> opt
[07:31] <apachelogger> I built a package - gonna test
[07:31] <apachelogger> ..now ;-)
[07:33] <imbrandon> gnight all , bed time for imbrandon
[07:33] <apachelogger> imbrandon: knite
[07:35] <bddebian> Heya
[07:47] <toma> Riddell: are the rosetta developers able /willing to make changes when they are reasonable?
[07:48] <Riddell> toma: should do yes
[07:50] <toma> Riddell: is it an idea to start a wiki page on kde.org and try to shape it with the translators  to a final document to the rosetta devels?
[07:52] <Riddell> toma: good idea yes
[07:53] <apachelogger> god I'm so unbelivable good :P
[07:53] <apachelogger> Tonio_: got a working package
[07:54] <Riddell> seaLne: synce-kde uploaded
[08:01] <toma> Riddell: ok, will set it up in the weekend. let them cool down for a couple of days...
[08:02] <DaSkreech> Nap away imbrandon
[08:03] <Riddell> imbrandon: I approved apt-mirror
[08:04] <Tonio_> apachelogger: for googleearth ?
[08:04] <apachelogger> yep
[08:04] <Tonio_> cool :)
[08:05] <imbrandon> Riddell: nice thanks, i'll get the 2nd approval after i wake, thanks alot ;)
[08:05] <jjesse> ooo a nap sounds really good :)
[08:05] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:05] <imbrandon> heh
[08:06] <Riddell> seaLne: kmobiletools failed to compile on my amd64, not sure why
[08:09] <toma> allee: did you mail digikam-devel?
[08:10] <allee> toma: yes. You're nolonger subscribed?
[08:10] <toma> allee: no and archive is broken
[08:11] <allee> toma: Oliver found that german doc translation are not included
[08:11] <allee> toma: i18n fun not only with kipi-plugins
[08:11] <allee> +:)
[08:11] <toma> allee: digikam or plugins?
[08:11] <allee> allee: both
[08:13] <DaSkreech> whats' the apt option to list what's installed?
[08:13] <DaSkreech> apt-cache --get-selections?
[08:14] <allee> dpkg -l | grep ^i   # or dpkg --get-selections
[08:14] <DaSkreech> dpkg.. dun
[08:14] <DaSkreech> Duh
[08:15] <Riddell> seaLne: I've advocated afflib, but see comment http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2687
[08:21] <apachelogger> hm
[08:21] <apachelogger> what's the difference between suggests and recommends?
[08:22] <Riddell> seaLne: seem comments on libewf http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2672
[08:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: recommends is stronger
[08:22] <apachelogger> k, thx
[08:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: see debian-policy, but recommends is for stuff you'd expect to have installed but isn't 100% necessary
[08:22] <toma> allee: svnroot    = "#{svnbase}/trunk"
[08:23] <apachelogger> I should do a google shortcut for in policy search ;-)
[08:23] <allee> toma: typo?  At least german docs were updated in stable branch
[08:24] <toma> allee: the release script pulls it from trunk
[08:24] <toma> allee: so throw that tarball in the chredder
[08:24] <allee> toma: maybe #digikam is right channel?
[08:25] <toma> allee: hmm. ok
[08:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about recommends, I would like your idea
[08:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: with adept for example, except for very acknoledged people, it is not very easy to find out there are recommendations on the package
[08:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: wouldn't it be nice to have a graphical prompt like "the package xxx is recommanded when installing yyy, do you want to lso install it ?"
[08:42] <Tonio_> that would be pretty nice I think...
[08:42] <uniq> .. and a option to turn it off :)
[08:42] <Tonio_> uniq: of course ;)
[08:43] <uniq> it's a good idea.
[08:43] <Tonio_> but for the average people, which is the average kubuntu user, that could be interesting
[08:43] <Tonio_> mornfall: any opinion on this ?
[08:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: there was some discussion about recommends in Paris, mornfall will know more
[08:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, so we maybe can discuss this with him during the meeting
[08:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the merges, can I as motu upload a debian package that doesn't exist in ubuntu without going to revu ?
[08:44] <Riddell> if he's at the meeting
[08:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: of course ;)
[08:45] <Tonio_> I went on kde-apps today and I took a list of.... 45 packages to merge, update of create.... hard time in perspective ;)
[08:45] <jjesse> which meeting?
[08:45] <Tonio_> jjesse: next week's
[08:45] <jjesse> kubuntu?
[08:47] <Riddell> how the heck do I use my ipod with amarok 1.4.1?
[08:48] <apachelogger> plug it in - follow the dialogs ;-)
[08:49] <Riddell> what dialogues?
[08:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: it is a vfat one?
[08:50] <Riddell> yes
[08:50] <apachelogger> hm
[08:50] <apachelogger> settings -> configure -> media devices
[08:50] <apachelogger> if it isn't listed click autodetect
[08:53] <Riddell> I still have to mount it manually?
[08:53] <apachelogger> not if your hal is working properly
[08:53] <apachelogger> it's using KDE mount thingy in that case
[08:56] <Riddell> doesn't seem to
[08:57] <apachelogger> hm, might be a problem with HAL as I haven't seen a "why-the-hell-isnt-it-mounting" request for a while :S
[08:58] <Riddell> media:/ i working fine
[08:59] <apachelogger> ok, then something is kinda not working properly
[08:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: you should talk to aumuell - he's the ipod guy
[09:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: he got some extra time right now, so please join #amarok
[09:05] <pygi> apachelogger, is sebr there?
[09:05] <apachelogger> no
[09:06] <apachelogger> kind like 3 or 4 am for him I think
[09:06] <pygi> ah,oki
[09:06] <pygi> I've been hunting him for a long time :P
[09:06] <apachelogger> you should mail him, or stay up very long ;-)
[09:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: ipod ioslave should be shipped by default :)
[09:12] <Tonio_> because amarok and ipod has a long history of working -> not working -> working etc.....
[09:13] <apachelogger> Tonio_: he's sleeping now :P
[09:13] <Tonio_> it works very nicelly, and you can play the files in amarok of kaffeine with ipod:/ urls
[09:13] <apachelogger> actually the code of ipod kioslave is very limited
[09:13] <Tonio_> apachelogger: that's not an issue, the package for ipod ioslave is on my list and I was thinking about asking for default shipping ;)
[09:13] <Tonio_> that can wait a bit
[09:14] <apachelogger> only supporting some versions of ipod with specific firmware versions
[09:14] <Tonio_> apachelogger: it allows read/write
[09:14] <pygi> apachelogger, eh :)
[09:14] <Tonio_> that not big, but that's enought for an ioslave
[09:14] <Tonio_> I don't need more :)
[09:14] <Tonio_> apachelogger: hum.... comments seems to prove it has been recently improved on that point
[09:15] <apachelogger> well, as Amarok 1.4 is using lib->G<-pod, it just can't work properly :P
[09:18] <uniq> tonio_: i'm working on packaging ipodslave 0.8-pre1, don't know if that should be included as it's a -pre, but i'm still doing it.
[09:19] <Tonio_> uniq: I would say do it :)
[09:19] <Tonio_> uniq: it is not a *major* app, so we can take the risk
[09:19] <uniq> it's major for the ones who need it.
[09:19] <uniq> I'm not a risk taker. :)
[09:20] <uniq> And I don't have a Ipod anymore, as it tasted sea water some months ago.
[09:24] <apacheLAGger> Tonio_: you'll care about a license for google earth redistribution?
[09:24] <Tonio_> apacheLAGger: we must have one ;)
[09:25] <apacheLAGger> you're responsible for get one :P
[10:13] <seaLne> Riddell: i'd thought about afflib-dev but wasn't sure how to do it
[10:20] <seaLne> Riddell: which header files for libewf?
[11:32] <pygi> kwwii, poke:)
[11:35] <kwwii> hey man
[11:35] <kwwii> I was just working on your stuff
[11:37] <pygi> kwwii, o really nice :)
[11:37] <pygi> I just wanted to ask you for shoots ^_^
[11:40] <kwwii> here is a question for you:
[11:40] <kwwii> I am defining everything in the toolbar
[11:40] <kwwii> so, what it important...I have Update, Info, Log, Diff,, and Commit
[11:41] <kwwii> each of those will be a button which can be pulled down to do the action on "selected" or "all in same dir", etc.
[11:41] <kwwii> I am starting with one view of a current repo
[11:41] <kwwii> and including an "add view" button
[11:42] <pygi> kwwii, "Update" should be "Pull"
[11:43] <kwwii> hrm, guess I meant "update status"
[11:43] <pygi> and if the toolbar wont look too crowded, then "Push" as well
[11:43] <kwwii> but that is a good button to have :p
[11:43] <kwwii> I like the idea of pull and push
[11:44] <kwwii> I have icons in mind for all of this
[11:44] <kwwii> but until now, I have been playing around with qtdesigner
[11:44] <kwwii> trying to get a feeling for interface first
[11:44] <kwwii> then I will remove the text I have now for icons in the toolbar
[11:44] <kwwii> I'll send you a screenshot in a bit
[11:45] <kwwii> how long will you be up for?
[11:47] <pygi> I don't know ^_^
[11:48] <kwwii> hehe
[11:48] <kwwii> well, if you fall asleep, I'll send you an email :-)
[11:49] <pygi> I'll be here until I drop on the keyboard :P
[11:49] <pygi> oki ^_^
[11:49] <pygi> just poke first =P
[11:49] <kwwii> I guess, we need a "status local" and a "status upstream" ?
[11:49] <kwwii> me biggest problem is that I have never used bzr
[11:49] <kwwii> I know cvs and svn
[11:50] <kwwii> but this is something a bit different
[11:50] <kwwii>  :-)
[11:50] <kwwii> I know the concepts, but not the implementation
[11:50] <pygi> what would you like to put in "status local" and what in "status upstream"?
[11:51] <kwwii> well, you would see, graphically (not sure how) whether things have been changed locally (probably by changing the color of the file name) and whether they have been changed upstream
[11:51] <pygi> hm, that's "diff", but right, that's a good idea ^_^
[11:52] <kwwii> well, diff is for the developer (and I included that as a button too)
[11:52] <nixternal> hiya kwwii
[11:53] <kwwii> one question: is there a commit command for local files as well?
[11:53] <pygi> kwwii, yup
[11:53] <pygi> commit is for local files
[11:53] <pygi> push "pushes" files to repository
[11:54] <kwwii> ie, I have a repo from somewhere (a branch, as I understand it) and I have to use "commit" to add those files to my local repo....adding them to the upstream repo is a "push"
[11:54] <kwwii> yeah, gotcha