[12:09] <jron> thanks for all the help guys, slowly getting this down :P
[12:10] <gatekeeper> iain_: is this what you are after? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:11] <angasule> iain_: it could be because you're using a different resolution, so check the monitor knobs, too
[12:12] <albert_> hola
[12:12] <iain_> gatekeeper:  and angasule thanks guys
[12:12] <iain_> :)
[12:13] <angasule> np
[12:14] <Chanika> I'm in the middle of installing dapper for the first time on my laptop... why will it only let me create ext2 partitions, not ext3 or reiserfs?
[12:16] <intelikey> Chanika you can add a journal afterwards.   as to your question, idk.  guess it's just acting "window'ish"...  heh
[12:16] <elvirolo> hi all
[12:17] <elvirolo> does anyone use amarok ? musicbrainz tagging doesn't work here
[12:17] <Chanika> intelikey: yuck. I'll just use cfdisk to set up my partitions once again... kinda silly that kubuntu still doesn't have a usable partitioner
[12:18] <abattoir> Chanika: using the Live CD Installer?
[12:18] <Chanika> abattoir: yeah
[12:18] <abattoir> Chanika: oh, ok then, i guess you'd have to do that
[12:18] <elvirolo> ?
[12:18] <intelikey> Chanika it does have a usable partitioner.   partition has nothing to do with file-system  mketfs -j /dev/blah
[12:19] <intelikey> errr mke2fs
[12:19] <abattoir> if you have the alternate cd, that handles different types of partition systems
[12:19] <gatekeeper> Chanika: blame GParted I think that is what it uses
[12:19] <Chanika> I'm not sure I trust a graphical program to set up my partitions safely anyways. don't want anything happening to my gentoo install :)
[12:19] <abattoir> *filesystems
[12:19] <Chanika> intelikey: if it won't let me choose anything other than ext2, I don't consider it usable
[12:20] <intelikey> Chanika you missed the point.  that's not the partitioner.  that's the formater
[12:20] <Chanika> abattoir: ahh. maybe I'll download that too then. but the livecd is so pretty!
[12:20] <Chanika> intelikey: in the gui they're mixed together, though
[12:20] <intelikey> yeah i know.  and i hate that.
[12:20] <abattoir> Chanika: indeed, else you could format the partition using your fav filesystem separately and then install
[12:21] <intelikey> if you switch to a console you can partition and them format as you like.  but the installer will fail because it is not the app doing the work... thus i consider that a broken installer.   "window'ish"
[12:21] <Chanika> oh, and it detected my wireless nicely, which amazed me... but dhcp's not working. maybe my neighbours clued in
[12:21] <free-son-S> please i've some error with a ./make.sh prefetch like this one: wget error in lfs/apache !! please where can i found the version request of apache i need to place it manualy in /cache/  ?
[12:22] <Chanika> intelikey: it'll fail?? eew! the breezy insstaller was fine with me just picking a pre-set-up partiiton
[12:23] <intelikey> hmmm detected your wireless card...  didn't detect my usb printer.
[12:23] <free-son-S> i'm compiling an ipcop 1.4.10
[12:23] <intelikey> Chanika yep.
[12:23] <gatekeeper> doesn't the alt version of the dapper iso do that?
[12:23] <jron> can anyone recommend a good app to kill tasks? ps -x isnt cutting it =( i need point and click
[12:23] <abattoir> jron:  xkill ?
[12:24] <jron> abattoir: i need a way to kill stuff running in the background, not just windows =(
[12:24] <intelikey> hoary detected the printer.  hp pcs 750    not that ancient...   but dapper isn't able to find it.   althouth  lswh see's it just fine  and so does  the gui hardware manager.   cups is clueless about it tho
[12:25] <intelikey> jron xtop
[12:26] <jron> intelikey: not seeing that in the repo =(
[12:27] <intelikey> jron should be installed....  it's part of the psutils or something.   or just "top" or even  "sudo kill -9 `pidof blah` "
[12:27] <jron> intelikey: that is what i want to avoid, i want something like tastmanager for windows =(
[12:28] <jron> tired of ps-x kill -9 56774 =(
[12:28] <OOD> jron: ksysguard ?
[12:28] <Chanika> wait... it does allow me to format as ext3. after choosing ext2. silly thing
[12:28] <jpatrick> jron: Ctrl-Escape
[12:28] <gatekeeper> jron: KSysguard ?
[12:29] <intelikey> jron so type 'sudo xtop' and see what happens
[12:29] <jron> command not found. intelikey
[12:30] <intelikey> Chanika like i said the very first time.... the partition type has nothing to do with the fs type.   you could make an ntfs partition and mke2fs -j on it.  and it would be ext3 with an ntfs signature...
[12:31] <jron> thanks gatekeeper, ksysguard was just what i was looking for.
[12:32] <DrBair> i have a system with many missing or damaged system files... anyway I can make dpkg go through a repair the damage?
[12:32] <gatekeeper> jron: excellent off to bed now good luck :-)
[12:32] <jron> thank you much =)
[12:32] <unix_infidel> DrBair: how are they damaged?
[12:32] <unix_infidel> and which files?
[12:32] <gatekeeper> jron: most welcome :-)
[12:32] <unix_infidel> just the disk in general?
[12:33] <intelikey> DrBair yeah. well sorta    like this.
[12:33] <intelikey> apt-get -u --reinstall --fix-missing install $(dpkg -S LC_MESSAGES | cut -d: -f1 | tr ', ' '\n' | sort -u)
[12:34] <DrBair> unix_infidel: damaged by a failed drive.. I was able to pick up most the pieces
[12:34] <DrBair> initrd is corrupt... so the system doesn't boot so well
[12:34] <DrBair> but chrooting seems to be running smoothly
[12:34] <unix_infidel> DrBair: so most of your configuration and essential non system files are backed up?
[12:34] <intelikey> man mkinitrd     or   man mkinitramfs
[12:35] <intelikey> DrBair ^
[12:35] <DrBair> unix_infidel: home directory is safe
[12:35] <jmichaelx> i recently install the 686 kernel on a few of my PCs... but today i saw the update notifier in the panel, i clicked it , and among other things, it is wanting to install the i386 kernel again, why is this?
[12:38] <jmichaelx> well, i guess i'll see, i told it to update everything
[12:39] <jmichaelx> should a person un-install the i386 kernel after the i686 kernel is installed?
[12:39] <OOD> no, you can have both kernels installed
[12:40] <jmichaelx> ok
[12:40] <jmichaelx> that really confused me
[12:41] <zeioth> uf xD
[12:42] <zeioth> YA TA
[12:44] <diego> coll
[12:44] <diego> hheheh
[12:44] <unix_infidel> DrBair: then you should be just fine with backing up your configuration stuff and just reinstalling or using your backup archives to restore the system?
[12:44] <arseniq> i cant play the mp3 files on my ntfs partition what can be the reason?
[12:44] <unix_infidel> arseniq: you should be able to, if they are wma or some proprietary format then they might not play.
[12:45] <unix_infidel> you need to download specific codecs for those.
[12:45] <arseniq> no its all my mp3 archive
[12:45] <unix_infidel> arseniq: what media player.
[12:45] <unix_infidel> try it with mplayer and see what errors it gives you.
[12:45] <arseniq> also i copied one of them to my desktop but didnt play
[12:45] <arseniq> player is amarok
[12:46] <crimsun> did you install libxine-extracodecs?
[12:46] <arseniq> it plays the ogg file in example folder
[12:46] <unix_infidel> when you mean it didnt play....the spectrum analyzer showed activity?
[12:46] <unix_infidel> but you dont get sound?
[12:46] <arseniq> no no it skips the file
[12:47] <crimsun> arseniq: what's the output from ``dpkg -l libxine-extracodecs|grep ^ii''?
[12:47] <arseniq> by the way kaffeine also doesnt play the files
[12:48] <arseniq> crimsun: output is nothing
[12:48] <crimsun> arseniq: then you won't be able to play mp3s in amarok by default.
[12:48] <crimsun> !restricted > arseniq
[12:48] <Cntryboy_> Does anyone know if linux has a linux washer sorta like window washer, that cleans all recent files, cookies and everything?
[12:49] <arseniq> mp3 is a restricted format though wow crazy
[12:49] <jpatrick> Cntryboy_: there's a program called Kleansweep
[12:49] <Cntryboy_> jpatrick: it won't clear the var/cache/archive folder though right?
[12:50] <jpatrick> Cntryboy_: apt-cache clean
[12:50] <Cntryboy_> yah playing poker didn't have time to think
[12:50] <Cntryboy_> oops sorry
[12:50] <Cntryboy_> i mean, I don't wanna clear that folder
[12:50] <Cntryboy_> will kleansweep clean it or not
[12:50] <jpatrick> Cntryboy_: not unless you tell it to
[12:50] <brandon_> http://www.lyrics007.com/Coldplay Lyrics/White Shadows Lyrics.html
[12:50] <Cntryboy_> jpatrick: kk thx man
[12:50] <brandon_> can anyone view these lyrics using konqueror?
[12:51] <jpatrick> brandon_: i can
[12:51] <brandon_> you can?
[12:51] <brandon_> they show up in konq?
[12:51] <brandon_> using what version of kde?
[12:51] <jpatrick> Yes
[12:51] <jpatrick> 3.5.2
[12:51] <brandon_> aaaah
[12:52] <jpatrick> brandon_: http://www.lyriki.com/index.php?title=Coldplay
[12:53] <brandon_> the point i'm kaing is that i'm finding that there are a lot of websites that don't work right in konq anymore
[12:53] <brandon_> and 3.5.2 is not the latest version
[12:54] <brandon_> i can open these links in firedink or opera and they work
[12:55] <arseniq> hmm the document sais i should be using synaptic
[12:55] <jmichaelx> when i upgraded to 3.5.3 on my desktop, some things quit working.... the video slowed way down, and screen savers would no longer work at all...
[12:57] <sotired> ugh i am having one problem after another today
[12:57] <OOD> jmichaelx: the screensavers not working is a bug, but there's a fix to it
[12:57] <sotired> all of a sudden anything i download or unzip doesnt appear in kde...only in the konsole
[12:57] <jmichaelx> OOD: i am glad to know that. i actually mentioned it to riddell when i first encountered it
[12:57] <sotired> whats goin on?
[12:58] <OOD> jmichaelx: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=6212.0
[12:58] <LjL> sotired: err, what do you mean "appear in KDE"?
[12:58] <grizzly> usb automounting permission problem: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17787
[12:58] <LjL> (and "appear in konsole")
[12:58] <jmichaelx> OOD: the biggest issue, though, was what it did to my video. now i am scared of it... i wound up having to reinstall kubuntu
[12:59] <OOD> jmichaelx: i haven't had any video problems, haven't heard about this problem either
[12:59] <sotired> LjL: on my desktop or in konqeoror the new files dont appear. But if i goto the directory from a terminal (konsole) i can see the fioles
[12:59] <Cntryboy> grr i hate dialup
[12:59] <Cntryboy> who told me about kleansweep?
[01:00] <jmichaelx> OOD: i think i will leave 3.5.3 alone.... ill upgrade down the road some time when the next KDE is released
[01:00] <LjL> sotired: well, if they don't appear on the desktop, it's because you're not saving them on the desktop. in konqueror, of course, you would have to go to the correct directory (i.e. the one the file was saved in) - can you positively say you're doing that?
[01:00] <sotired> i am saving them there...they are there
[01:00] <Cntryboy> Does perl come with kubuntu?
[01:00] <jpatrick> Cntryboy: yes
[01:00] <Cntryboy> Trying to get kleansweep working, it tries to load with bouncing icon but never opens
[01:01] <Cntryboy> okay then, how can i check if I have kde lib. files
[01:01] <jpatrick> Cntryboy: you ran it in konsole?
[01:01] <Cntryboy> jpatrick: nah under system I think
[01:01] <sotired> ljl: even if i unzip a something...i can only see the new files from a terminal in that directory...if i look in the same directory from the gui i dont see anything but the files that were already there
[01:01] <Cntryboy> konsole works
[01:01] <Cntryboy> but, it doesn't by icon in systems
[01:01] <jpatrick> :/
[01:01] <sotired> ljl: i am 100% sure i am using the correct directories
[01:02] <jpatrick> Cntryboy: check the kmenu entry's command
[01:02] <LjL> sotired: i assume you've tried pressing F5 to refresh the contents in konqueror.  perhaps you've created/unzipped those files as root?
[01:02] <sotired> I've refreshed the desktop to no avail. and i am not doing any of these things as root
[01:02] <Cntryboy> jpatrick: how do I do that, ususally I can right click files, but the icons in system just says edit, which doesn't show me anything
[01:03] <LjL> sotired: what if you explicitely create a file in konqueror or on the desktop by using the right-click menu?
[01:03] <sotired> that works
[01:03] <jpatrick> Cntryboy: should show it
[01:03] <LjL> sotired: can you do a "ls -l" from inside the desktop directory (or any directory where you have files that don't show up), and paste the results into the pastebin?
[01:03] <Cntryboy> jpatrick: i copied it to desktop and went to properties and it says: kdesu kleansweep
[01:03] <Cntryboy> for command that is
[01:04] <jpatrick> ah
[01:04] <jpatrick> maybe kdesu's failing
[01:04] <Cntryboy> everything else works okay
[01:04] <Cntryboy> worked this time odd
[01:05] <Cntryboy> i had to enter root pw though, which is okay, maybe it did fail the first try
[01:06] <sotired> LjL: kxdocker-1.1.4a.tar.bz2 is the file i cant see, as an example http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17790
[01:08] <Cntryboy> I'm kinda scared to use this because I could wipe out files I need lol
[01:09] <LjL> sotired: it's quite weird really.
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> Cntryboy: You won't cause that much trouble I bet
[01:10] <Cntryboy> h3sp4wn: what do ya mean
[01:10] <natan-> if i have a bash script i want to run all the time what is the best way to implement that?
[01:10] <sotired> ljl: dont see anything off
[01:10] <sotired> ?
[01:10] <h3sp4wn> Cntryboy: Things rarely go wrong with kubuntu
[01:11] <arseniq> i also see tv like scanlines on all images is this normal?
[01:11] <LjL> sotired: the ls output looks alright. have you tried just logging off and on again on KDE? perhaps it's just a temporary quirk of some sorts
[01:12] <arseniq> same scanlines on avi files too
[01:12] <h3sp4wn> Cntryboy: What are the files you need for ?
[01:12] <sotired> ljl: tried that :) ...but ill try again
[01:12] <LjL> natan-: if you only need it to do something at certain times (perhaps every minute), use cron. otherwise... dunno. what kind of thing would that be?
[01:13] <natan-> hmmm cron
[01:13] <natan-> what is that?
[01:13] <LjL> !cron
[01:13] <ubotu> cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. There is a decent howto at http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[01:13] <natan-> basically i have a script that downloads something to /tmp/ for another program to read
[01:13] <natan-> and i need execute it just once on startup
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> Try anacron over cron (is yourmachine is off sometimes)
[01:14] <natan-> or i guess i could just have it run with no while loop and have cron take care of it
[01:14] <natan-> its always on basically
[01:14] <LjL> then if you only need it to run at startup you don't need it running all the time, do you?
[01:14] <natan-> atleast when i need this to run
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> That would slow the system down
[01:14] <natan-> i supose not :D
[01:14] <natan-> well i didn't know there was this cron :D
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> anacron is more powerful than cron
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> (if your machine may be shutdown at anytime it finishes any jobs)
[01:15] <LjL> if you just want it to be run *once* at startup, you should probably look at making it an /etc/init.d service.
[01:16] <h3sp4wn> You could use anacron to start it when the system first starts
[01:17] <h3sp4wn> just set it to be run at 3am (and then when your machine starts in the morning it will be run
[01:18] <h3sp4wn> natan:  You could run it all the time and add lot of other useful things to the script
[01:18] <natan-> hmmm
[01:19] <natan-> well i need it to preform its task every 30 seconds
[01:19] <natan-> cron seems to have a time system that wont let me do that :P
[01:19] <h3sp4wn> Why not ?
[01:19] <h3sp4wn> It can run every minute
[01:20] <roob> !restricted
[01:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:21] <h3sp4wn> natan: 1 * * * * http://www.yourdomain.com/your_script_to_cron.php
[01:22] <h3sp4wn> natan: I think that should run it every minute but I may be wron
[01:23] <h3sp4wn> natan: Maybe try using at set at to do it every 30 seconds
[01:23] <h3sp4wn> natan: Anyway I have to go cya
[01:24] <Katmando> Is there any advantage to installing ubuntu then installing KDE.  Instead if just going to Kubuntu?
[01:25] <DarkAudit> Katmando: you'll get a lot of redundant applications installed
[01:26] <Katmando> also what is the best way to have gnome-settings-daemon launch everytime I boot kubuntu.?
[01:26] <Katmando> DarkAudit: Do you mean uneeded Gnome apps?
[01:28] <amadeus_> yo, driz
[01:28] <amadeus_> what's up
[01:29] <roob> hello all......i just added the universe and mulitverse repos...i followed this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu but im only getting like 15k packs...last time i did i got close to 18k
[01:30] <roob> and this is a fresh install and its saying there arnt any updates....when i installed it i was NOT connected to the internet
[01:36] <freaka> What makes kubuntu different to installing any other linux dist with the latest kde?
[01:38] <LjL> freaka: what makes any distro different from any other given distro? :)
[01:39] <LjL> besides kubuntu doesn't come with the latest kde ;) (though it's available)
[01:39] <Jeff__> some say it is better to install ubuntu then get KDE
[01:39] <LjL> they say that? interesting
[01:40] <Jeff__> apparently Kububtu has some extra "fluf"
[01:40] <LjL> i guess you could do that if you don't mind having a mixture of gnome and kde apps in your menus and that kind of things
[01:40] <LjL> well if you install the kubuntu-desktop package, then you're installing everything that kubuntu is composed of
[01:40] <LjL> though installing the kde package alone would be another story
[01:43] <Jeff__> not much going on tonight
[01:44] <natan-> anyone have experience with cron?
[01:44] <natan-> !cron
[01:44] <ubotu> cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. There is a decent howto at http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[02:05] <marcus> Quick Question? Is there a way to change the background inside the K-menu?
[02:10] <osiris> what were the issues some issues users were seeing with the 2.15.26 kernel ?
[02:10] <natan-> so cool i have my router statistics streaming through knewsticker :D
[02:12] <gemidjy> Kmail keeps asking me for a mail server certificate, weather I should Accept it, and then accept it for good or for this session only...why doesn't it save the choice I make, Accept Forever ?
[02:12] <marcus>  Is there a way to change the background inside the K-menu?
[02:13] <LjL> marcus, no. you can change the color, but that will affect every menu'
[02:13] <marcus> ljl: Thanks
[02:14] <gemidjy> marcus: there are kmenu replacements, which I consider very silly, like kbfx
[02:14] <marcus> ljl: What if I wanted an image in every menu? Could that be possible?
[02:15] <LjL> marcus: not really, at least not that i know of
[02:15] <marcus> ljl: okay thank you
[02:16] <marcus> gemidjy: thank you too
[02:16] <gemidjy> w
[02:33] <teknoprep> hmmm
[02:40] <LeeJunFan> damn ICQ no worky.
[02:43] <Leonrott> hi
[03:03] <brian_> need to add a USB printer to my PC.  Lexmark Z517, which should work with some driver.  Anybody done this?  The printer doesn't show in the printer wizard.
[03:07] <goemon4> hey all, i cant compile jack in Kubuntu, im trying to install something tht wont compile without sdl, but sdl wont compile...can anyone help?
[03:08] <unix_infidel> goemon4: jack ships with kubuntu
[03:08] <goemon4> ? im sry what
[03:08] <unix_infidel> $ apt-cache search jackd
[03:08] <unix_infidel> jackd - JACK Audio Connection Kit (server and example clients)
[03:09] <unix_infidel> jack is packaged for you already no need to compile.
[03:10] <sango> hello
[03:11] <goemon4> i entered the command and got this
[03:11] <goemon4> jackd - JACK Audio Connection Kit (server and example clients)
[03:11] <goemon4> libasound2-plugins - ALSA library additional plugins
[03:11] <sango> I recently downloaded kubuntu and unbuntu, and I am wondering if anyone can point me to articles that compare gnome and kde
[03:12] <usp8riot> anyone in here compile their kernels?
[03:12] <unix_infidel> goemon4: now install it.
[03:12] <goemon4> what sdl (or that jackd thing)
[03:12] <unix_infidel> usp8riot: unless you are doing some SERIOUS optimization its not really necessary imho.
[03:12] <usp8riot> i just want to tinker
[03:13] <usp8riot> but as they say, curiousity kills the cat, lol, it's probably what's gonna happen next reboot
[03:14] <usp8riot> is there a way to uninstall a kernel?
[03:14] <unix_infidel> usp8riot: a kernel you've compiled or installed as a binary?
[03:15] <usp8riot> one i've just compiled
[03:15] <usp8riot> one site gives me the make, make modules, make install bit, another gives me one with the dpkg bit
[03:16] <usp8riot> i'm wondering which tutorials i should follow and if i used the wrong one
[03:16] <Yon> evening everyone
[03:17] <Yon> i know that this is a linux channel and all, but i was wondering if anyone here knows how to bypass a firewall, and how to tunnel
[03:18] <goemon4> ok i just installed that jackd thing and idk what its supposed to do...im trying to compile and install sdl so i can install AlephOne (for marathon) and i kep getting a command that says "c compiler cant creat excutables" what do i need to fix that (btw i have gcc 4.0 installed)
[03:19] <unix_infidel> Yon: there are tons of ways....and multiple protocols available for tunneling give it a quick google and ask a more specific question.
[03:22] <Yon> alright, um, i tryed useing http-tunnel to work for torrents, i tryed with utorrent, bitcomet and azureous
[03:23] <Yon> it find peers and seeders but doesnt actually download
[03:24] <Yon> im useing jap to surf the net, and it works really well
[03:25] <skge> @goemon4:: Still no luck?
[03:26] <goemon4> no, i get the same thing
[03:27] <goemon4> anyone have any ideas
[03:29] <Yon> unix_infidel: wat program can i use? have u heard of proxifier?
[03:32] <Kazukisan> I did a server install from the breezy ubuntu disc, then i did a dist upgrade to dapper and then did a apt-get install kubuntu-desktop and i edited xorg.conf to use vesa driver and now when i do a start x it tries to start it and my screen goes blank and then my monitor goes into resting state like its not reciving a signal and my computer i think freezes ????
[03:33] <Kai> how do you create a user group?
[03:34] <LjL> Kai: man groupadd
[03:39] <SpAwN> is it better to dl java from their site...i used the one off the ubuntu repo and azurues is acting all weird
[03:43] <osiris> jave by hand worked nicely for azureus in mandriva
[03:43] <osiris> but why do you want azureus ?
[03:43] <SpAwN> i like that torreent client
[03:44] <osiris> unless the answer is safepeer, then you might as well use a non java client, cause azureus is a resource hog
[03:44] <SpAwN> i just lost all 200 gigs of my stuff....need to redl some of it...
[03:44] <SpAwN> well whats a nice feature rich torrent client ..with a gui?
[03:46] <osiris> i use the regular bittorrent with gui, and it runs way faster, and lighter than azureus
[03:46] <SpAwN> yea but doesnt have nearly the features of azureus
[03:46] <osiris> what feature is it that you are looking for
[03:47] <SpAwN> well i like being able to select how fast each torrent upload/downlaods at.....not just global but individual
[03:47] <OOD> use KTorrent
[03:47] <SpAwN> u can even use proxies and tor on azureus
[03:48] <OOD> tor isn't meant for bittorrent you know?
[03:48] <SpAwN> OOD, i dont personaly use it for that
[03:48] <SpAwN> actualy its becoming a big problem for tor
[03:48] <OOD> yea, i don't like azureus because it uses java
[03:48] <SpAwN> i only use tor for web adn irc....and anything else with socks
[03:49] <SpAwN> OOD, i love the client......
[03:49] <OOD> steels so much cpu
[03:49] <SpAwN> OOD, but i could go without the java stuff
[03:49] <OOD> try KTorrent
[03:49] <SpAwN> OOD, i have enought to go aroung
[03:49] <SpAwN> installing it now
[03:49] <SpAwN> actalu its instyalled
[03:49] <OOD> Bitcomet is a good windows app
[03:49] <OOD> if you want you could run it in wine
[03:50] <osiris> utorrent comes highly recomended too
[03:50] <OOD> that has a linux binary too right?
[03:51] <osiris> i think
[03:51] <SpAwN> hmm
[03:51] <SpAwN> i have heard about utorrent being good....
[03:51] <osiris> i used azureus for a long time.  its only decent if you really want safepeer
[03:51] <osiris> which is nice for "high profile" downloads
[03:53] <SpAwN> well ktorrent is opened i opened a torrent with it...it just says stalled
[03:53] <SpAwN> stracker status says invalid responce
[03:54] <osiris> did you adjust the port range to a non-standrard range and forward it through the router
[03:54] <SpAwN> osiris, no.........i will do that
[03:56] <ewhiz> anyone know if i can somehow change the size of the icons on my desktop or shrink them?
[03:58] <SpAwN> well its forwarded and set in the ktorrent options...still just doing nothing
[03:58] <osiris> did you restart the torrent/client after the changes ?
[03:59] <SpAwN> negadive...didnt know u had to
[03:59] <osiris> most likely that is it
[03:59] <SpAwN> nope...still not going
[03:59] <SpAwN> ....stalled...invalid responce
[04:00] <osiris> sounds like the tracer isnt responding
[04:00] <osiris> tracker
[04:00] <Hawkwind> SpAwN: I had problems with ktorrent for a while.  Finally it just started working without changing configs
[04:00] <SpAwN> lol
[04:01] <osiris> SpAwN, may i pm ?
[04:01] <SpAwN> sure
[04:02] <gabox> hola
[04:02] <gabox> como les va?
[04:03] <gabox> hello
[04:03] <Hawkwind> !spanish
[04:03] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:03] <gabox> thanks a lot!
[04:07] <BonBonTheJon> hello
[04:08] <BonBonTheJon> I am going to reinstall kubuntu, what folders should I backup
[04:09] <Hawkwind> BonBonTheJon: That's totally up to you.  Depends on what YOU want to save
[04:09] <Firebird8> is it possible to set the resloution to 2048x768 without having to set it everytime you boot?
[04:10] <Hawkwind> Firebird8: Using one monitor or two ?
[04:10] <BonBonTheJon> where would most of my settings be saved
[04:10] <Firebird8> 2
[04:10] <Hawkwind> Firebird8: That is set in your xorg.conf
[04:10] <SpAwN> Hawkwind, u where right....it just started working
[04:10] <Hawkwind> Firebird8: I use the same resolution and it's set permanently
[04:10] <Firebird8> um
[04:10] <Firebird8> do you set that to ur primary monitor?
[04:11] <Hawkwind> BonBonTheJon: In your users ~/ directory, and possibly in /etc
[04:11] <Hawkwind> Firebird8: You using Nvidia ?
[04:11] <Firebird8> ATI
[04:11] <Hawkwind> Ohhhh, I use Nvidia
[04:11] <Hawkwind> I can post my xorg.conf though
[04:11] <Firebird8> im a gnome guy too...
[04:11] <freaka> gnome never really worked for me
[04:12] <Hexidigital> i used to like gnome's layout... until i installed kubuntu... kde is so much better than it was in the past...
[04:12] <Firebird8> KDE kinda goes chomp chomp on performance...
[04:12] <Hawkwind> Firebird8: http://pastebin.ca/85629
[04:12] <Firebird8> thx
[04:13] <Hawkwind> Firebird8: Hope it helps you
[04:13] <Hawkwind> Hexidigital: Have you looked in kcontrol ?
[04:14] <Firebird8> nity
[04:14] <Hexidigital> Hawkwind: not yet
[04:14] <Hexidigital> :)
[04:14] <bur[n] er> anyone know how to change the folder icon to the tango icon?  I'm not sure why the theme doesn't change it
[04:15] <Hexidigital> Hawkwind: nothing there (that i see about shortcuts)... i want to map ALT+R to open Konsole
[04:15] <bur[n] er> Hexidigital: run "khotkeys"
[04:15] <Hawkwind> Hexidigital: It's there under peripherals I'm sure.  I don't use KDE so I don't know much about it
[04:16] <Hexidigital> bur[n] er: thank you very much
[04:16] <Hawkwind> bur[n] er: I use Kubuntu, but I use E17 as my window manager :P
[04:17] <Hexidigital> bur[n] er: is khotkeys CLI? noting is opening up
[04:17] <Hexidigital> s/noting/nothing
[04:17] <bur[n] er> Hexidigital: it's gui... but it seems to be b0rked ;)  one other way...
[04:17] <bur[n] er> run "kcontrol" then go to "regional and accessibility" and go to "input actions"
[04:17] <Hexidigital> ah... thx again bur[n] er
[04:18] <bur[n] er> np
[04:22] <bur[n] er> anyone know what's up with KDE's icon changing?
[04:24] <focker> goemon4: do "sudo apt-get install libsdl" to get sdl.  It is a library for games that require it.
[04:27] <Chanika> um, so. my wireless (ipw2200 iirc) works perfectly in gentoo. my shiny new dapper install can show me a list of access points, but trying to connect to any of them fails, and I never see the wireless LED blink in kubuntu. where would I start looking for the problem?
[04:28] <bur[n] er> Chanika: using "network-manager-kde" or something?
[04:29] <Chanika> bur[n] er: hold on a sec, the laptop battery's dead...
[04:32] <Hobbsee> !iwp2200
[04:32] <ubotu> I know nothing about iwp2200
[04:33] <Hobbsee> !ipw2200
[04:33] <ubotu> I know nothing about ipw2200
[04:33] <Hobbsee> !ipw
[04:33] <ubotu> wifi is Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs with Broadcom Specifics at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper
[04:33] <Hobbsee> Chanika: start with the wifi stuff there ^ i think there's ipw stuff there too
[04:34] <Zaire> how do you update the kernel from commandline?
[04:34] <bur[n] er> Zaire: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:34] <bur[n] er> :)
[04:34] <Chanika> thanks
[04:34] <Zaire> cool thx
[04:36] <Chanika> ipw2200 is indeed the module loaded. hmm
[04:37] <Chanika> wlassistant takes my password but thinks I might not have enough permissions
[04:38] <Chanika> but there's an odd arrow beside the router called "default"
[04:38] <Chanika> and... pings!
[04:38] <Chanika> :D
[04:38] <Chanika> I didn't do anything but it magically worked!
[04:40] <Chanika> :)
[04:40] <actinic> wow lots of updates tonite
[04:40] <Chanika> I love it when things magically work
[04:41] <Chanika> speaking of updates, kopete needs one; not sure if there's a ubuntu package out yet but iirc there's a debian one. AOL decided to mess with icq stuff.
[04:43] <Hexidigital> running kubuntu on breezy... besides mysql, should i be worried about anything else if i edit my sources.list file and upgrade to dapper?
[04:43] <BonBonTheJon> I havent checked, but what are some of the big updates
[04:43] <Chanika> yay, I crashed the wireless assistant :P
[04:45] <intelikey> anyone ever have cups fail flatly to find a usb printer?  i have a hp pcs-750  that hoary had no problem with, but ever sense i installed dapper (clean install) it acts like the usb hub is missing or something.   lshw sees the printer and so does the hardware manager   but cups is blind to it.     any sujestions ?
[04:48] <intelikey> ok.  anyone know of a good printer setup application ?
[04:48] <actinic> updates:  open office, 386 kernel, cups, python
[04:51] <DaSkreech> Chanika: Oh For you too?
[04:52] <Vexmaster> hello all
[04:52] <focker> intelikey: there is a printer setup wizard for cups in kubuntu
[04:53] <focker> intelikey: go to K menu, system settings, printers, and click on add.
[04:53] <bur[n] er> intelikey: gnome's printer thing... or kprinter
[04:53] <intelikey> focker yes.   but it doesn't see the usb printer,  it doesn't see any printer on this system.
[04:53] <focker> and then add printer/class
[04:54] <focker> it sees mine, but it doesn't have a driver for mine
[04:54] <intelikey> ;/
[04:54] <focker> I did a google for my printer make/modela nd found some long instructions.
[04:56] <jimmy__> sus peeps
[04:56] <jimmy__> sup
[04:58] <jimmy__> does the Asus a8v-deluxe and a8v-e deluxe suck or is it just my luck?
[04:59] <intelikey> bur[n] er the gAH'nome'  thing atm...  ive been removing and reinstalling crap hoping i would find the problem.
[04:59] <jimmy__> a8v-e deluxe came with non-operating PCI-e port and my 'faithful a8v deluxe just blew out on me
[04:59] <bur[n] er> i'm hoping gtk 2.10 and printing will be better
[05:00] <jimmy__> is Asus slipping or what?
[05:00] <jimmy__> I'm thinking asrock or Gigabyte
[05:00] <TheHighChild> jimmy__: Been hearing that alot the last 2 years
[05:00] <Vexmaster> sup Jimmy
[05:00] <jimmy__> sup vex
[05:01] <Vexmaster> Jimmy_ ASUS is def going down the tubes
[05:01] <jimmy__> I hear GB is faithful
[05:01] <Vexmaster> ive been through 3 mobos in the last year
[05:02] <jimmy__> buying my 3rd
[05:02] <jimmy__> hoping I can get them fixed through asus
[05:02] <Vexmaster> im thinkin of switching back to abit or MSI
[05:02] <jimmy__> I have no receipt
[05:02] <Vexmaster> iva had gigabit before
[05:03] <jimmy__> GB offers more options than MSI correct?
[05:03] <Vexmaster> there not bad mobos, and they come with a lot of cool fetures
[05:03] <intelikey> ibm
[05:04] <jimmy__> (i.e. custome start up graphics)
[05:04] <jimmy__> during boot
[05:04] <Vexmaster> thats hot
[05:04] <jimmy__> yeah, jimmy like
[05:04] <SpAwN> !restricted
[05:04] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:05] <Vexmaster> what about bios updates
[05:05] <Vexmaster> do they kkep up?
[05:05] <Vexmaster> srry keep
[05:05] <jimmy__> no idea
[05:05] <jimmy__> never had one
[05:05] <jimmy__> and I havent heard anything
[05:06] <jimmy__> all I know is that I need a mobo like yesterday
[05:06] <Vexmaster> the last one i had was pretty cool, it had a backup bios in case one failed
[05:07] <Vexmaster> and all the pins were color coded
[05:07] <Vexmaster> very easy to install
[05:07] <intelikey> dr_willis is it quiet across the hall tonight ?
[05:07] <Vexmaster> no manual needed
[05:07] <jimmy__> I'm on my bro-in-law's laptop that I was suppost to put XP back on (put Kubuntu instead)
[05:07] <Vexmaster> YEah Jimmy!!!
[05:07] <dr_willis> My dog is barking like crazy
[05:07] <Vexmaster> thats what im talking about
[05:08] <jimmy__> he started it up and freaked out
[05:08] <Vexmaster> lol
[05:08] <jimmy__> "what is this?"
[05:08] <Vexmaster> does he like it?
[05:08] <dr_willis> Windows Vista :)
[05:08] <jimmy__> LOVES it
[05:09] <Vexmaster> awsome
[05:09] <jimmy__> now he doesnt want XP
[05:09] <Chanika> LOL :)
[05:09] <Chanika> mmmm, wireless....
[05:09] <Vexmaster> another Konvert
[05:09] <Chanika> I can watch myself type on two screens at once ;)
[05:09] <Vexmaster> mmmmmm aircrack
[05:09] <jimmy__> now when he goes to church he is trying to convert them to Kubuntu
[05:10] <DaSkreech> Hmm that sounds viral!!
[05:10] <jimmy__> it does
 another Konvert  <--- spoken like a real Kuser
[05:11] <Vexmaster> lol
[05:11] <Chanika> hmm. doing an upgrade over someone else's wireless might be kinda slow
[05:12] <Chanika> oh, and does anyone know of software for keeping my laptop and desktop in sync? my code is all in svn, but my konq bookmarks are always getting out of date...
[05:14] <jimmy__> does MSI have any mobo's out that you can use your own boot graphic?
[05:16] <Vexmaster> I would go with GB if i was you Jimmy
[05:16] <dr_willis> I recall some mb's that did that.. and thogh it was a silly idea. :)
[05:17] <dr_willis> saw anotehr that had 'voice post messages'
[05:17] <dr_willis> but they only worked with the onboard sound card. freaked me out when i first heard them. :)
[05:18] <intelikey> imbeded festival ?
[05:18] <jimmy__> yeah, my board does all that
[05:18] <intelikey> or just a few sound files...
[05:18] <jimmy__> 'DID" all that before thay both blew on me
[05:19] <jimmy__> yeah the chicks voice get annoying after awhile
[05:19] <dr_willis> 'checking ram.....'
[05:19] <dr_willis> 'formating your hard drive looser!..... kidding..."
[05:19] <dr_willis> :)
[05:19] <jimmy__> "self test complete... now booting OS"
[05:21] <Chanika> dr_willis: eew.  where I used to work, one of the PHBs' comps did a lot of talking. sometimes we'd have to listen to half an hour of "viruse detected. virus removed" over and over...
[05:21] <jimmy__> "BIOS out dated..... good luck on finding support"
[05:21] <Vexmaster> lol
[05:21] <Vexmaster> nite nite guys
[05:21] <intelikey> xchat-text | festival -tts 2>&1
[05:21] <nigel_> hi
[05:21] <jimmy__> xxoo
[05:23] <jimmy__> you do you think would win in a celebrity deathmatch...........
[05:23] <jimmy__> MSI or Gigabyte?
[05:23] <dr_willis> I tend to just go woth the one that has the features i need.. and not gimmicks. :)
[05:24] <jimmy__> both have about the same linux support?
[05:24] <intelikey> give me solid, and keep the bells and whistels and pictures
[05:25] <jimmy__> right
[05:25] <jimmy__> doesnt get used anyway by the 98%
[05:26] <dr_willis> best to research the boards chipsets befor buying for linux needs.
[05:26] <intelikey> yeah,  you boot how often ?
[05:26] <Hexidigital> when upgrading kubuntu from breezy to dapper, besides editing sources.list, should i do anything else special?
[05:26] <jimmy__> (taken by the offical Jimmy)
[05:26] <jimmy__> (poll)
[05:26] <dr_willis> perhaps check out that Ultiumate Linux box  artical that was int eh latest Linux Jorunel Magazine. (i think it was in there)
[05:26] <nikkun> CAn anyone help me by explaining why im continually getting this error: "APIC error on CPU0: 40(40)"
[05:27] <jimmy__> your pc sucks
[05:27] <jimmy__> like mine
[05:27] <jimmy__> lol
[05:27] <jimmy__> (kidding)
[05:27] <nikkun> its happening every second
[05:27] <jimmy__> but mine really does suck
[05:27] <nikkun> lol
[05:28] <Chanika> hrm. I need to get eval `ssh-agent` to run just before kde starts, so that all the kde proggies can use it
[05:28] <jimmy__> not a floppy error?
[05:28] <DaSkreech> nikkun: Google the error message
[05:28] <intelikey> Hexidigital backup a few configs maybe ???    but it's not "supposed" to nukem'
[05:28] <jimmy__> 40 = floppy?
[05:28] <nikkun> why do i always froget the all powerful google >.<
[05:28] <jimmy__> maybe I'm thinking MS
[05:29] <Hexidigital> intelikey: thx
[05:31] <intelikey> maybe i should just hose this install and start over....
[05:32] <intelikey> let me see what all has to be redone.....
[05:34] <intelikey> if the installer wasn't the stupid gui thing.... if there was a server install option for just the base system....    well it would only save about three hours...  so it's not that important.
[05:34] <intelikey> ok i've talked my self into it.
[05:34] <p47> hello, use somebody compiz and xgl ?
[05:34] <mossman> Hello all,  does anyone have any experience with .csv files to bring them in readable form with a linux app,  preferably something exported from outlook, to vcard
[05:35] <DaSkreech> mossman: a csv file can be read in kate
[05:35] <dr_willis> you mean a comma seperates variable file?
[05:36] <dr_willis> or am i too  old-skool.
[05:36] <kyle_> i am having a problem with my digital camera not showing up in the 'System Setting > Digital Camera'
[05:36] <mossman> yes,  also vi,  but I am loking to make it into easy cut and paste
[05:36] <mossman> any suggestions
[05:36] <Chanika> could open it as a spreadsheet?
[05:36] <kyle_> dr_willis: there is :-)
[05:37] <DaSkreech> mossman: Open it in Spreadsheet
[05:37] <SpAwN> does anyone know if i need to log out then back in after messing with alsamixer.....i still have no sound and i did everything i did when i installed the 1st tiem
[05:37] <mossman> I can open it as a spread sheet,  though the data is basicly vcard (XML)  I would like to make it easy since there are 3200 entrys of data
[05:38] <TheMoebius> I deleted some songs from my ipod using amoraK and they aren't listed anymore, but the space hasn't been freed. I emptied the Trash, but I'm in Gnome now. Is there a different trash for KDE apps or something?
[05:38] <jbrouhard> free space on your computer
[05:38] <jbrouhard> or the ipod itself ?
[05:39] <TheMoebius> jbrouhard: the ipod itself
[05:39] <jbrouhard> Then i don't think it has to do with GNOME or KDE then.
[05:39] <jbrouhard> I'm not 100% sure but iPod loads as a USB device as well
[05:39] <jbrouhard> you might be able to go in and browse the file structure
[05:39] <dr_willis> look for a .trash or  peraps?
[05:40] <dr_willis> ive seen similer things with usb sticks/drives
[05:40] <dr_willis> gets annoying at times.
[05:40] <mossman> DaSkreech: any idea how to trasfer all of this cvs data to vcard,  or even any form of easy readable data?
[05:40] <TheMoebius> yeah if I do a ls -a /media/ipod there is no .Trash
[05:41] <DaSkreech> mossman: You want to split it out to vcard?
[05:41] <jbrouhard> are those songs still on the iPod ?
[05:41] <SpAwN> brb
[05:42] <mossman> Yes,  Basicly it came from MS Outlook.  3200 client data files. It is kinda important to me to be able to format it quickly,  without having to go line by line
[05:42] <TheMoebius> jbrouhard: can't tell if the files themselves are there because it abstracts the filenames
[05:42] <DaSkreech> mossman: I take it you ran through Google already?
[05:42] <mossman> it was exported to an excel spread sheet.
[05:43] <mossman> no,  I came here, my apologies
[05:43] <DaSkreech> mossman: No problem :)
[05:43] <DaSkreech> mossman: I think that Kontact may be able to handle a CSV
[05:43] <Eeyore> mossman, any csv file should be readable to import into a vcard
[05:44] <Eeyore> i have done it with thunderbird
[05:44] <mossman> reaalyt?  I will give it a try.  kmail is awesome,  and stable for many years now
[05:45] <Chanika> yay! chinese fonts work in kubuntu
[05:45] <dr_willis> I'll take an order of MooGooGai Pan..
[05:45] <dr_willis> :)
[05:45] <dr_willis> and some of those Steamed Dumplings.
[05:45] <doppelganger_> hey guys, has anyone experienced xgl breaking konqueror?
[05:45] <doppelganger_> nothing konqueror functions anymore after installing
[05:46] <doppelganger_> xgl works fine, as does everything else
[05:46] <SpAwN> hmm i still have no sound.........
[05:46] <dr_willis> last i tried XGl - nothing worked. :)
[05:46] <doppelganger_> reinstalled kon, no dice
[05:46] <DaSkreech> mossman: Yup Kontact does it
[05:46] <Chanika> doppelganger_: no, but I know that kde and compiz don't always get along
[05:46] <doppelganger_> interesting note here that might help
[05:46] <DaSkreech> mossman: Alt+Enter -> Kontact -> Import ->CSV
[05:47] <doppelganger_> in adept, compiz-gnome is installed, but compiz-kde is not
[05:47] <Chanika> I was planning on trying out xgl soon... the kororaa livecd was so pretty :)
[05:47] <doppelganger_> i'm wondering if i uninstall the gnome and install the kde if konqueror will magically work
[05:47] <DaSkreech> Yeah too bad some joker shut it down :(
[05:47] <mossman> Kontact seems to crash on me,   there are 3200 vcards in cvs.  Maybe to much for my machine to take :)
[05:47] <Chanika> doppelganger_: can't hurt to try
[05:48] <doppelganger_> i'm just hoping that it boots up correctly when i try it though
[05:48] <doppelganger_> any chance that might not happen?
[05:48] <doppelganger_> er might
[05:48] <Chanika> ack, I've spent all evening playing with kubuntu! at this rate I'll never eat...
[05:48] <unix_infidel> Chanika: welcome to the first few weeks of linux..
[05:49] <unix_infidel> its almost as addictive as pokemon to a 5 year old.
[05:49] <doppelganger_> hell, i'm gonna try it real quick
[05:49] <doppelganger_> may/may not see you guys..  lol
[05:49] <Chanika> unix_infidel: oh, I've already installed breezy on a few comps, and this one's been running gentoo for years
[05:50] <Chanika> but dapper is all nice and shiny and Things Just Work! :)
[05:50] <mossman> Welcome to computing....
[05:50] <unix_infidel> Chanika: i seriously dont understand what's to play with...
[05:50] <unix_infidel> i got my desktop setup in....under 15mins iirc.
[05:50] <Chanika> unix_infidel: well, installing upgrades over wireless takes forever
[05:50] <Chanika> then I have to remember how to make X run ssh-agent before kde so that I can use fish://
[05:51] <Chanika> then grab all my config files off this comp
[05:51] <Chanika> then install a zillion programs
[05:51] <Chanika> and set up preferences
[05:51] <Chanika> and pick a pretty screensaver - laptops must be impressive to make other people with they had linux ;)
[05:51] <SpAwN> i have everything up in alsamixer and i also ran this command "amixer set 'Exchange Front/Surround' on && amixer set 'Spread Front to Surround and Center/LFE' on " which solved my problem last iem
[05:52] <unix_infidel> Chanika: by know you should have all these configs backed up.
[05:52] <unix_infidel> now*
[05:52] <Chanika> and then I'll have to start setting up various develoipment environments
[05:52] <Chanika> unix_infidel: yeah, I could get them with scp, but I wanted to use fish...
[05:53] <Chanika> oh, and I wanna test out the power management stuff and see how much of it works, but I can't do that while stuff is installing
[05:53] <unix_infidel> fish?
[05:53] <Chanika> fish://
[05:53] <unix_infidel> *shrug*
[05:53] <Chanika> ssh filebrowsing for konq :)
[05:53] <Chanika> easiest way to grab files off another computer - assuming you've got ssh-agent running
[05:54] <unix_infidel> Chanika: i find just an rsync pretty effective :P
[05:54] <GStubbs43> How do I install icons in the format of .tar.bz2?
[05:54] <unix_infidel> GStubbs43: depends, where did you get the icons from...
[05:54] <unix_infidel> to extract the file...
[05:54] <unix_infidel> !bzip
[05:54] <ubotu> I know nothing about bzip
[05:54] <unix_infidel> !tar
[05:54] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with file-roller (gnome) or ark (kde)
[05:54] <GStubbs43> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=16564
[05:54] <Chanika> unix_infidel: eh, my settings aren't consistent enough... stuff ends up slightly different on each ccomp
[05:55] <unix_infidel> GStubbs43: after you decompress and extract the archive there will be a readme specific to that icon set.
[05:55] <Chanika> I was asking earlier about ways to sync comuters but nobody answered
[05:55] <unix_infidel> Chanika: rsync.
[05:55] <mossman> Hum,, I am trying to import said file with contact.    It tells me to assign a colum.  How do I select all coloms
[05:55] <unix_infidel> or just a script to execute a cp -R over samba or NFS etc etc
[05:55] <Chanika> until now my systems have been too diferent to bother considering it
[05:55] <GStubbs43> It says: Run the buildset script
[05:55] <GStubbs43> 	Select your custom kmenu icon (default is always a good choice)
[05:55] <GStubbs43> 	Wait for the icons to convert
[05:55] <GStubbs43> 	Wait for the tar.gz or tar.bz2 to build
[05:55] <GStubbs43> 	Install using kcontrol
[05:56] <unix_infidel> !flood
[05:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[05:56] <GStubbs43> Sorry
[05:56] <Chanika> unix_infidel: but, i'm not sure which stuff I want to be sync'd or not. some of the settings on this comp wouldn't make sense for a laptop
[05:56] <Chanika> so, I'll have to tink about it properly later
[05:57] <Chanika> right now I really must go buy food
[05:57] <DaSkreech> mossman: Split it into three csvs?
[05:57] <mossman> How do I do that
[05:57] <mossman> ?
[05:59] <mossman> DaSkreech:  Sorry,  I do not know how to split it into three csv's
[05:59] <DaSkreech> mossman: ok caught up whats' with the select columns?
[06:00] <DaSkreech> GStubbs43: There is a file named buildset in the archive?
[06:01] <GStubbs43> Yes'
[06:01] <ivan> why are certain packages greyed out in adept installer and how do I get them?
[06:02] <mossman> There is no setactt colum.  Only 1234 ect   and undefined colum. Kontact does not alow me to give anyy commmands
[06:02] <SpAwN> can anyone help me get my sound working?
[06:03] <SpAwN> i have a ac'97 onboard intel soundcard
[06:03] <mossman> I have the cvs in a spread like sheet,  something like a spread sheet,  but the kontact iport.  n
[06:04] <SpAwN> ive added all the restricted formates....i can see video...just no sound......i have no sound period....no logon sound nothing
[06:04] <mossman> when I hit "ok" it says I must choose a colum?  But I want all colums
[06:04] <Chanika> SpAwN: weeeird
[06:04] <DaSkreech> GStubbs43: Run it :)
[06:04] <Chanika> I have intel sound, iirc, and it just worked
[06:04] <GStubbs43> Nothing happened
[06:05] <DaSkreech> mossman: It's probably a mapper
[06:05] <SpAwN> Chanika, i had a prob with it last time i installed....
[06:05] <SpAwN> but the fix i used then doesnt work now...
[06:05] <DaSkreech> SpAwN: Speakers plugged in?
[06:05] <SpAwN> DaSkreech, lol yes
[06:05] <DaSkreech> GStubbs43: You ran it from the command line?
[06:05] <GStubbs43> I clicked it and chose execute
[06:06] <mossman> yes.  It may be.  I know MSm outlook would have np with this file.  I guess i will go through by hand,  thanks
[06:06] <SpAwN> i get this http://pastebin.ca/85717
[06:07] <GStubbs43> I got it, it's all right. Thanks..
[06:07] <actinic> cool, finally got lm-sensors and gkrellm to work together
[06:07] <natan-> if anyone is interested in made sort of a plug in script that can show you status of a WRT54G router in knewsticker, looks like this:
[06:07] <natan-> http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/a98c093a4e.jpg
[06:08] <DaSkreech> mossman: Wait :)
[06:08] <mossman> Waiting..
[06:08] <DaSkreech> mossman: Send me the file if you don't mind
[06:08] <DaSkreech> I'll try and see what's going on :)
[06:09] <mossman> Dont mind..  stand by
[06:10] <Zaire> anyone know what the best ftp client is
[06:10] <DaSkreech> The one that you like
[06:11] <mossman> File is in sending progress DaSkreech.  Are you reciveing
[06:11] <Zaire> very funny I just would like to set it up before I go to bed cause I gotta be up at 5:30 in the morning
[06:11] <DaSkreech> Kbear?
[06:12] <SpAwN> i like gftp
[06:12] <Chanika> I tend to just use konq, for the rare times when I need ftp access
[06:13] <Zaire> k thx guys and laters
[06:13] <mossman> DaSkreech. gmail coming your way
[06:13] <natan-> Zaire - you can use konkeror
[06:14] <Chanika> ack, why am I still here?
[06:15] <SpAwN> this blows.............
[06:17] <DaSkreech> mossman: I'll let you know when I get it
[06:18] <mossman> Should be soon,  I am dmossman at gmail.....com
[06:19] <DaSkreech> Guten
[06:20] <mossman> Is that got it  in German?
[06:20] <Melchiorre> good
[06:20] <Melchiorre> *in German
[06:21] <DaSkreech> It's Good in german but I normmaly use it as it has been gooten which is guten
[06:22] <DaSkreech> cause I'm strange :)
[06:22] <mossman> Das Duestuse kungenscriber ist ninche gud aus des Canadiana Kungenscriber....Sorry  Bad joke from German class a long time ago :)
[06:24] <mossman> With a name like mossman I should not be making jokes in german
[06:24] <Melchiorre> lol
[06:25] <kyle_> anyone have any idea how to get a a usb storage device to work? i read the docs on kubuntu's site but nothing works
[06:26] <OOD> just plug it in
[06:26] <kyle_> it does nothing
[06:26] <DaSkreech> kyle_: Do you have a /dev/sda?
[06:26] <kyle_> i checked mount and there is no sda1
[06:26] <mossman> Kyle....Plug it in,.  Unless it is a very odd device, it shoul work out of the box
[06:26] <kyle_> it's corsair
[06:27] <kyle_> i have /dev/sda and /dev/sda1
[06:27] <kyle_> do i need to add something to my fstab?
[06:27] <mossman> DaSkreech.  Any idea ?  That file btw is big...
[06:28] <kyle_> there is no mention of sda in mount
[06:28] <kyle_> /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
[06:28] <kyle_> proc on /proc type proc (rw)
[06:28] <kyle_> /sys on /sys type sysfs (rw)
[06:28] <DaSkreech> mossman: tell me about it :)
[06:28] <kyle_> varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw)
[06:28] <kyle_> varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw)
[06:28] <kyle_> procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[06:28] <kyle_> udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw)
[06:28] <kyle_> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[06:28] <kyle_> devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[06:28] <kyle_> lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-386/volatile type tmpfs (rw)
[06:28] <kyle_> /dev/hda2 on /media/hda2 type reiserfs (rw)
[06:29] <kyle_> i only see : procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[06:30] <DaSkreech> mossman: Yep feels like Kontact has bit the bucket
[06:31] <DaSkreech> Nope it's processing
[06:31] <DaSkreech> Ah ha!
[06:31] <mossman> HAHAHA.. Yeah.. I think I will just try to manually cut/paste from oo.org  and kill a few hours] 
[06:32] <DaSkreech> mossman: Ok Now what about select coloums?
[06:33] <mossman> I am sure if I was a smater man...emacs could be progamed to read it,, filter it, re-program it and play pacman at the same time......  Kontact asked me to select colum to eport.  I tried, but it would not let me select anything..
[06:34] <DaSkreech> When was this?
[06:34] <kyle_> how do i reload fstab?
[06:35] <DaSkreech> kyle_: save it
[06:35] <DaSkreech> mossman: Right after it parsed the file?
[06:36] <mossman> Yes.. It parsed the data,  then asked for me to select a cloum when I tried tosave it
[06:36] <DaSkreech> mossman: The file is binary
[06:36] <kyle_> DaSkreech: I added this to my fstab -- /dev/sda1       /media/USB       auto   rw,noauto,user,sync     0 0
[06:37] <mossman> Though it would not allow me to select any data
[06:37] <kyle_> and it doesnt work
[06:37] <DaSkreech> kyle_: can You sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/USB ?
[06:37] <SpAwN> omg this is so frustrating.........
[06:37] <DaSkreech> mossman: This is the output from Outlook?
[06:37] <jron> question, i see a deb link for kubuntu for ktorrent 2.0 beta1... which i must use as 1x is banned on oink... how can i use this .deb file?
[06:38] <mossman> Yes, It is binary from outlook
[06:38] <DaSkreech> mossman: Argh
[06:38] <DaSkreech> It open in Spreadsheet?
[06:38] <mossman> oo.org can read it..
[06:38] <DaSkreech> With coloumns sorted out?
[06:38] <SpAwN> anyone about intel onboard sound cards...i have no sound
[06:38] <DaSkreech> So GID is in one Column Name in another etc?
[06:38] <kyle_> hehe - thanks DaSkreech
[06:39] <mossman> Though...it is a run on sentence
[06:39] <DaSkreech> mossman: So it's not parsing it then
[06:39] <mossman> right....
[06:40] <kyle_> DaSkreech: i have read i need to unmount the usb device before pulling it out - is this true?
[06:40] <DaSkreech> kyle_: It's a good practice
[06:41] <kyle_> DaSkreech: just do -- sudo umount /dev/sda1 /mnt/USB
[06:41] <kyle_> correct?
[06:41] <mossman> DaSkreech: I know this is frustrating. I should have kept this to myself and cp/paste it.
[06:41] <DaSkreech> kyle_: Strictly speaking it generally won't kill anything since USB is hot swappable but if something is using the device it could corrupt data but worse if it's hard drive it could be spinning up or down and that might screw it up
[06:41] <DaSkreech> mossman: Nonesense :)
[06:42] <DaSkreech> mossman: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/189181/EN-US/
[06:42] <DaSkreech> Cute :)
[06:42] <DaSkreech> Well it's readable that's good
[06:43] <Chanika> kyle_: yes, unmount. linux sometimes doesn't bother writing all the data until later so if you just yank it out you could lose stuff
[06:43] <Rede> i upgraded my kernel via adept, and after doing so i boot to the kubuntu logo, without the nvidia display ever showing. if i press esc and boot to the older kernel i have no problems. is there something im supposed to do?
[06:43] <jron> anyone have ktorrent 2.0 beta1 installed?
[06:43] <kyle_> Chanika: okay, thanks
[06:43] <Chanika> kyle_: you should be able to right-click the icon in konq and safely remove from there
[06:44] <Chanika> Rede: install the nvidia stuff for that particular kernel?
[06:44] <DaSkreech> mossman: http://aurelio.net/bin/python/s1mp3-import-contacts.py here's the offset
[06:44] <mossman> :)  I have been "computing" since 1985....I have been using Linix since 1996.... I hate to ask frivilous questions.  I will beat this cvs....If is takes all night
[06:44] <mossman> Excellect url..btw
[06:45] <mossman> thanks
[06:45] <DaSkreech> kyle_: Yup that's the command except you only need the folder
[06:45] <DaSkreech> kyle_: the Dev is redundant
[06:45] <DaSkreech> mossman: Well a binary csv is hardly frivilous
[06:45] <Chanika> adept + wireless = woe :(
[06:46] <kyle_> DaSkreech: k, thnx -- now i just gotta figure out this digital camera usb issue....
[06:46] <Chanika> fail, fail, crash, fail
[06:46] <DaSkreech> Chanika: Whats for leftovers?
[06:46] <mossman> true... That is why M$ loves it so much
[06:46] <goemon4> hey all, (again) im wondering if anyone can help me with my compiling problem?
[06:47] <Rede> Chanika: do i have to do so manually or can i do so via apt?
[06:47] <mossman> Make all compiling problems _here
[06:47] <Chanika> I've never dealt with nvidia+kubuntu. I suggest doing whatever you did with the previous kernel
[06:47] <DaSkreech> !
[06:47] <ubotu> I know nothing about !
[06:47] <DaSkreech> mossman: Can You export as a .pab?
[06:47] <mossman> umm, Not sure...will try
[06:48] <Rede> ahh i see in adept i have restricted modules for .25 but not .26 thats probably the issue
[06:48] <DaSkreech> Kontact has  an option to import from that :)
[06:48] <goemon4> ok then, my problem is that nothing will compile, all i get is that the c compiler cant make the executables...i have gcc 4 installed and im trying to compile sdl's source
[06:50] <Chanika> argles. I think I'm gonna have to gte my own router.
[06:52] <mossman> pab,  does not want to be imported.
[06:52] <osiris> what is a good benchmarking tool, for gagueing how my linux box is running
[06:53] <nikkun> Does anyone in here know how to get it so that an laptop running a AMD64bit processor to actually increase speed since mine is stuck at 800Mhz and wont speed up
[06:54] <mossman> kontack is now importing, what has changed I am not sure.  but,  if it works,. dont fix it.
[06:56] <DaSkreech> mossman: The pab?
[06:56] <focker> goemon4: do "sudo apt-get install libsdl" to get sdl.  It is a library for games that require it.
[06:56] <DaSkreech> nikkun: I've seen some docs on that. Don't recall where they are now
[06:56] <DaSkreech> nikkun: Ask in #ubuntu
[06:56] <nikkun> i am :)
[06:56] <mossman> Heh.  It imported 3200 "blank" contacks
[06:57] <DaSkreech> cute :)
[06:57] <ctw> hi! I have a problem: I ran out of space in my root partition (I have a separate /home partition) ... the problem is that I can't even do apt-get remove because I get error messages due to no disk space
[06:57] <ctw> I'm looking for short-term and long term solutions
[06:58] <ctw> it seems that I could probably delete the *.deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives to free up some space
[06:58] <ctw> (is that a good idea? any other ideas?)
[06:58] <ctw> but in the long term I would also like to make the partition bigger
[06:58] <ctw> I have enough space on the hard drive
[06:59] <Chanika> yeah, delete unncessary stuff
[06:59] <ctw> I ideally I would like to shrink or eliminate a winows partition an distribute the extra space to my root an home partitions (both reiserfs)
[06:59] <mossman> dam I suck ...Though I try :)   Dam you bill!!  Why cant your csv be a real csv????
[06:59] <Chanika> (of, course, make sure it's really unnecessary first)
[06:59] <ctw> how do I know that it's unnecessary?
[07:00] <Chanika> ctw: well, resizing ntfs partitions seems to work.. I've never resized anything else myself
[07:00] <ctw> I'm pretty sure it is, but it seem I won't know for certain until I delete it
[07:00] <Chanika> ctw: heh. good question :)
[07:00] <Chanika> I'd say a .deb is pretty unnecessary - it can always be redownloaded
[07:00] <ctw> will I be able to increase the reiserfs partitions?
[07:01] <Chanika> maybe look in /var as well for bloated logs n'stuff
[07:01] <ctw> Chankia: yeah, that's what I thought
[07:01] <Chanika> I assume so but I've never tried myself :)
[07:01] <ctw> ah, good idea, thanks
[07:03] <mossman> Join me at #rantandroar  if you would like to scream and yell at Microsoft
[07:03] <DaSkreech> ctw: try /tmp
[07:03] <ctw> DaSkreech: already did, but thanks
[07:03] <DaSkreech> and /var/cache/apt/archives
[07:09] <DaSkreech> mossman: OK Might need to go multistep
[07:10] <Cntryboy> I know this is a stupid question, but is there a program for gaim to sniff ips of friends on aim?
[07:11] <DaSkreech> http://www.pcbypaul.com/software/pagenda_install.html
[07:11] <Cntryboy> my friend says they are, i'm saying they aren't
[07:11] <DaSkreech> MIght do it by itself :)
[07:11] <Cntryboy> anyone?
[07:11] <DaSkreech> Cntryboy: Pretty much it's possible as with all IMs not done by proxy
[07:12] <Cntryboy> daskreech: but what program would do this besides something like netstat for the term
[07:12] <Cntryboy> not even sure if netstat would
[07:12] <DaSkreech> Cntryboy: Are you trying to prove that it can or that it can't be done?
[07:12] <Chanika> aim does seem to report the ip in some cases - it would not be hard to write code to show that to the user.
[07:13] <Cntryboy> I know anything is possible, but he says a program made for gaim will, I tried to find such a program and nothing, so im betting no
[07:13] <DaSkreech> mossman: Whoops :) take off the _install :)
[07:13] <kyle_> anyone have any experience with digiKam?
[07:13] <mossman> multistep.  I a, unaware of this
[07:14] <Cntryboy> kyle: ive installed it but haven't used it, use showfoto though
[07:14] <mossman> _install.. Know i am confused.
[07:14] <Cntryboy> daskreech: so is there a program?
[07:14] <Cntryboy> I have 20 bucks betting on this
[07:14] <DaSkreech> Cntryboy: Probably
[07:14] <Cntryboy> I hope there isn't
[07:14] <Cntryboy> I gotta find proof
[07:14] <Cntryboy> lol
[07:14] <DaSkreech> Cntryboy: Check the addons page at the sf.net page
[07:15] <Cntryboy> www.sf.net?
[07:15] <DaSkreech> gaim.sf.net
[07:15] <Cntryboy> kk
[07:15] <Cntryboy> let me c and thx
[07:15] <DaSkreech> mossman: The URL I sent to you before :)
[07:15] <mossman> Contyboy  try insecure,com
[07:15] <DaSkreech> It seems to be able to import Outlook contacts
[07:15] <kyle_> Cntryboy: i can't get it to compile
[07:15] <kyle_> Cntryboy: how did you get yours to install?
[07:16] <JRH3K5> Howdy doody.
[07:16] <Cntryboy> mm I typed in
[07:16] <Cntryboy> let me think
[07:16] <DaSkreech> mossman: Erm Outlook Express
[07:16] <Cntryboy> This I think sudo aptitude install digikamimageplugins
[07:17] <kyle_> JRH3K5: you're right around the corner from me
[07:17] <JRH3K5> Can anyone, perhaps, assist me in installing PHP5 with Apache?
[07:17] <JRH3K5> apt-get install php5 does not work :/
[07:17] <JRH3K5> When I try to edit httpd.conf to add LoadModule [blah blah] /libphp5.so, I can't find libphp5.so on my hard drive
[07:17] <kyle_> Cntryboy: Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "digikamimageplugins"
[07:17] <kyle_> thanks for trying though
[07:18] <Cntryboy> thats what I installed though
[07:18] <Cntryboy> that installed digikam and showfoto
[07:18] <Cntryboy> I dind't compile it or nothing
[07:19] <Cntryboy> daskreech: no addon area on that page, I c downloads lol
[07:19] <JRH3K5> Or, why, even though Adept says I have GCC 4.0 installed, and its path is in $PATH, whenever I try to compile, I'm told that I don't have a valid C compiler in my PATH?
[07:19] <DaSkreech> Hmm there is a place to see plugins etc
[07:19] <Cntryboy> yah I am in plugins now
[07:20] <Cntryboy> and nothing there for ip stuff
[07:20] <mossman> DaSkreech:  Thepy program doenst seem to work for me. though, my python experience is about as great as my ruby..
[07:21] <DaSkreech> mossman: It's just peachy then!! :)
[07:21] <mossman> I will figure it out tommorow, thanks for your assistance
[07:21] <kyle_> anyone have any idea what this is?  --   checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[07:21] <mossman> No  It's more perly....:)
[07:21] <Cntryboy> kyle: if you do what I said, it will install it, I just opened mine up digikam photo management right?
[07:21] <mossman> dam I miss bamultistepsic
[07:22] <kyle_> Cntryboy: i did do what you said and it couldnt find that package
[07:22] <kyle_> Cntryboy: what version on kubuntu are you running?
[07:22] <flaccid> just apt-get install samba to install samba server/client ?
[07:22] <mossman> er basic...I will never miss touchpad mousepads..
[07:22] <Cntryboy> not the newest
[07:22] <Cntryboy> the one that came with kubuntu cd
[07:22] <kyle_> Cntryboy: i am, that's probably why...
[07:23] <Cntryboy> maybe
[07:23] <JRH3K5> flaccid - yes
[07:23] <kyle_> Cntryboy: you are most likely using breezy 5.10
[07:23] <flaccid> sweet
[07:23] <kyle_> Cntryboy: i am using dapper 6.06
[07:23] <Cntryboy> oh Im using dapper 6.06 also
[07:23] <JRH3K5> Configuration is the hard part ;)
[07:24] <kyle_> Cntryboy: you add anything to your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[07:24] <Cntryboy> not for that I didn't
[07:25] <Cntryboy> 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 62 not upgraded.
[07:25] <Cntryboy> Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
[07:25] <Cntryboy> Writing extended state information... Done
[07:25] <Cntryboy> works fine for me that command
[07:25] <DaSkreech> mossman: http://www.annesoft.com/Email_Address_Collector-s-9418.html
[07:25] <kyle_> Cntryboy:
[07:25] <kyle_> sudo aptitude install digikamimageplugins
[07:25] <kyle_> Reading package lists... Done
[07:25] <kyle_> Building dependency tree... Done
[07:25] <kyle_> Reading extended state information
[07:25] <kyle_> Initializing package states... Done
[07:26] <kyle_> Building tag database... Done
[07:26] <kyle_> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "digikamimageplugins"
[07:26] <kyle_> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[07:26] <mossman> Hello DaSkreeh
[07:26] <Cntryboy> dunno then dude :(
[07:26] <Cntryboy> I didn't add nothing to sources list though
[07:26] <mossman> er DaSkreech
[07:26] <DaSkreech> :-)
[07:26] <DaSkreech> mossman: That looks like it might be it :)
[07:26] <kyle_> Cntryboy: ohh well, i'll get playing and see what i come up with - need to get these pics off of this digital camera. Do you know of any other way?
[07:27] <mossman> Readin.. looks likre a solution
[07:27] <Cntryboy> kyle: try apt instead and c
[07:27] <kyle_> Cntryboy: nope, still couldnt find it
[07:28] <DaSkreech> mossman: Readin?
[07:28] <Cntryboy> kyle: want me to paste u source list in pm or on pastebin?
[07:28] <mossman> Yeah,  iT seems to be q MS Binary though..  That may or not be helpful
[07:28] <Cntryboy> and compare
[07:29] <kyle_> Cntryboy: either way is fine
[07:29] <Cntryboy> okay check pm
[07:29] <kyle_> Cntryboy: i didnt get one
[07:29] <Cntryboy> you registered?
[07:30] <kyle_> nope, gimme a sec and i will
[07:30] <Cntryboy> k
[07:30] <vigilante> Can someone help me test this? Im trying to download enemy territory installer, and kwrite pops up trying to open it, http://enemy-territory.4players.de:1041/download.php?view.313 click on the blue arrow, whats the deal?
[07:30] <Cntryboy> pm me once u register
[07:33] <vigilante> I can't even find where to change default programs and file associations... System Settings hides this KDE function from me
[07:35] <unix_infidel> anyone know of its possible to generate a click event right under the cursor so i can set a wm keybind to it?
[07:35] <ivan> why are certain packages greyed out in adept installer and how do I get them? for example libxine-extracodecs
[07:36] <Chanika> vigilante: yuck. how dumb. at least you can do it per file-type, thought the file's properties
[07:36] <DaSkreech> vigilante: I think that you can do that in Konqueror
[07:37] <vigilante> DaSkreech: I found it in konq, but I still can't find the association thats causing this
[07:37] <vigilante> I tried both run and php, nothing connected to kwrite
[07:37] <wolfmanz> anyone know what would cause kubuntu to end up in 640 by 480 mode after working fine in 1024 by 768 before i reboot?
[07:41] <Chanika> vigilante: what about right-click, save link as?
[07:41] <Chanika> just a workaround but better than nothing
[07:41] <stanks> good morning
[07:41] <JRH3K5> So...
[07:42] <JRH3K5> With gcc, gcc-4.0, gcc-4.0-base, gcc-4.0-locales, and libgcc1 installed, why can't my C compiler (and I have gcc & cc in my $PATH) create executables?
[07:42] <flake> hi, is there a way i can set up a folder I can run stuff from remotely, like open a .txt file and save it there on the same remote location (in ubuntu)?
[07:42] <flake> would that be ssh?
[07:43] <flake> i want to put an excel sheet on my linux box, and the windows xp i'm using has excel so it should open it up on the server, not in a temporary folder
[07:44] <unix_infidel> flake: why not setup a samba share so both the windows box and the linux box have access to them.
[07:44] <JRH3K5> I was going to say that. >:(
[07:44] <unix_infidel> then you can point whatever app to manage the excel document.
[07:44] <flake> i tried samba but both pc's are not seeing it
[07:44] <vigilante> Chanika: doing that saves the file as a php
[07:45] <JRH3K5> flake - any firewalls running?
[07:45] <flake> affirmative
[07:45] <_rince_> mrgn
[07:45] <KDEfanboy_> tell me if this is expected behavior; i install a package with apt-get, then remove that package. the startup script for it is left in /etc/init.d/ for some reason. i remove that file. i reinstall that package later and apt doesn't unpack that script file on the system any more. ?
[07:45] <JRH3K5> Have you configured them to allow connections on your network?
[07:45] <flake> on the linux box i have some ports opened
[07:46] <flake> i can run apache2 initially with no issue, the html loads up fine
[07:46] <Chanika> vigilante: does it save the file data or just some php page?
[07:46] <JRH3K5> Do you have anything like Norton firewall on the Win machines, or FireStarter on the Linux machine?
[07:46] <flake> nah just norton
[07:46] <DaSkreech> vigilante: What are you using to download?
[07:46] <unix_infidel> flake: a lot of people use the smb protocol everyday...
[07:46] <JRH3K5> Norton...antivirus, or firewall?
[07:46] <unix_infidel> just because it isnt working for you...
[07:47] <vigilante> DaSkreech: konq/kget
[07:47] <flake> i know, it's cause i'm broken  :P
[07:47] <KDEfanboy_> anyone else have the problem where startup scripts are left in /etc/init.d/ after trying to remove the package it belongs to?
[07:47] <flake> what is system username
[07:47] <JRH3K5> KDEfanboy_ - yes
[07:47] <flake> is that my /home/system username?
[07:47] <unix_infidel> there should be a tutorial on the ubuntu website.
[07:47] <JRH3K5> /home/[whatever username you logged in as] 
[07:48] <flake> ok
[07:48] <KDEfanboy_> hm, is that a bug or a feature
[07:48] <unix_infidel> flake: you can also cheat by using smb4k, its a kde front end to samba.
[07:48] <JRH3K5> KDEfanboy_ - it's a "feature"
[07:48] <JRH3K5> It's only a bug if it's a problem :P
[07:48] <DaSkreech> vigilante: Why don't you justsave it?
[07:48] <flake> how do i access this folder i have direct access to under windows...  //192.168.2.x/WORKGROUP  ?
[07:48] <flake> unix:  thanks i might try that
[07:49] <DaSkreech> vigilante: Seems like the easiestthing to do :)
[07:49] <JRH3K5> From a Windows machine?
[07:49] <JRH3K5> Or from Linux, flake?
[07:49] <KDEfanboy_> heh.. well i removed the leftover script, and now i can't get it back even after reinstalling, so it's a problem for me
[07:49] <flake> yes want to maintain spreadsheet remotely
[07:49] <flake> or text files, or edit bitmaps
[07:49] <flake> intra and inter
[07:49] <JRH3K5> Your best bet is to set up Samba.  Seriously.
[07:50] <JRH3K5> Oh, inter?
[07:50] <JRH3K5> FTP, then.
[07:50] <flake> ftp wont let me update in place ?
[07:50] <JRH3K5> No.
[07:50] <JRH3K5> And...it'd be really bad security if you allowed that to be done outside of your router :P
[07:50] <unix_infidel> flake: it'd be better if you did VPN for internet...especially if the files are sensitive.
[07:50] <JRH3K5> Wouldn't SFTP be enough?
[07:51] <JRH3K5> I don't know how easy OpenVPN is to set up.
[07:51] <bur[n] er> sftp is easier
[07:51] <Chanika> vigilante: looks to me like the "php" it downloads should actually be the file you want. just rename it. if konq's still givin your trouble try wget
[07:51] <bur[n] er> openvpn is doable, but sftp does the job well
[07:51] <JRH3K5> Quesotin:  installing and compiling apache.  "make" is apparently not a valid command in Kubuntu.
[07:51] <DaSkreech> vigilante: it opens in kwrite?
[07:51] <JRH3K5> So...what do I do? ?_?
[07:52] <flake> thank you, i was banging my head against a wall for a bit
[07:52] <flake> now that the swelling has gone down, it's time to do it again
[07:52] <mazurskie> apt-get install build-essential
[07:52] <JRH3K5> mazurskie - that to me?
[07:52] <unix_infidel> JRH3K5: VPN has some inherent advantages over SFTP or SCP
[07:52] <mazurskie> sure
[07:52] <DaSkreech> !b-e
[07:52] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for a pre-built package first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:52] <JRH3K5> Of course.
[07:53] <JRH3K5> But SFTP is easier to set up.
[07:53] <scabootssca> i cant get amarok to play any songs help me pleasew
[07:53] <JRH3K5> And, unless it's corporate files, I would think SFTP would be enough.
[07:53] <unix_infidel> JRH3K5: that's like the windows vs. linux analogy.
[07:53] <DaSkreech> scabootssca: Any songs?
[07:53] <DaSkreech> scabootssca: Or mp3?
[07:53] <scabootssca> .mp3's
[07:53] <DaSkreech> !mp3
[07:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:53] <JRH3K5> unix_infidel - what do you mean?
[07:53] <DaSkreech> scabootssca: read those :)
[07:54] <vigilante> DaSkreech: it trys to, the file is 200mb, so it starts to load
[07:54] <flaccid> is it hard to reduce the size of the root partition to allow space for a new partiiton?
[07:54] <DaSkreech> vigilante: Let it load
[07:54] <unix_infidel> JRH3K5: one is easier to setup etc etc. one has inherent advantages over the other...etc etc...one is more secure etc etc.
[07:55] <DaSkreech> vigilante: want the direct url?
[07:55] <JRH3K5> Oh, so you're saying it's up to personal taste?
[07:55] <DaSkreech> vigilante: http://ftp.freenet.de/pub/4players/hosted/et/official/et-linux-2.60.x86.run
[07:55] <DaSkreech> Throw that into kget
[07:56] <DaSkreech> scabootssca: Are you comfortable with repositories?
[07:56] <scabootssca> i guess i got mp3's to work in regular ubuntu
[07:56] <unix_infidel> JRH3K5: no i'm saying its up to you in the end...but its a matter of doing it right once or doing it many times.
[07:57] <DaSkreech> scabootssca: in that case you are looking for libxine-extracodecs
[07:57] <scabootssca> ok install that?
[07:57] <DaSkreech> scabootssca: yes
[07:57] <JRH3K5> Personally, if I really wanted good VPN security, I'd just get a hardware firewall. :P
[07:58] <Chanika> vigilante: hey, I found the problem
[07:58] <unix_infidel> JRH3K5: that's not an option for a lot of small businesses or home users.
[07:58] <elDeuce> if i compile something and run into an error - how do i delete(uninstall) the corrupted compile?
[07:58] <Chanika> vigilante: that website is claiming to send plaintext, so konq follows the plaintext rules, which by default don't ask to save.
[07:59] <scabootssca> there is no package for that do i have to enable repositorys? how do i do that in kubuntu?
[07:59] <Jazon> elDeuce: make distclean
[07:59] <elDeuce> Jazon: make: *** No rule to make target `distclean'.  Stop.
[07:59] <DaSkreech> Chanika: Yeah I know :)
[07:59] <scabootssca> wait i found the screen what do i have to enable?
[08:00] <Jazon> elDeuce: sudo make distclean ??
[08:00] <DaSkreech> Multiverse
[08:00] <scabootssca> enable multiverse?
[08:00] <DaSkreech> scabootssca: Yes
[08:00] <DaSkreech> !multiverse
[08:00] <elDeuce> Jazon: same error
[08:00] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[08:00] <Jazon> elDeuce: are you in the dir you ranake in?
[08:00] <Jazon> make in
[08:01] <Jazon> how the hell did i make that character?
[08:01] <DaSkreech> Jazon: Interesting font
[08:01] <elDeuce> i never go to the make part only ran ./configure before it crashed - gcc never got a chance to compile
[08:01] <DaSkreech>    
[08:01] <DaSkreech> elDeuce: Do you have b-e ?
[08:01] <elDeuce> Jazon: i got this error --- checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[08:02] <Jazon> elDeuce: dunno then m8 sorry
[08:02] <elDeuce> DaSkreech: no idea what b-e is, so no
[08:02] <JRH3K5> Hmm
[08:02] <DaSkreech> scabootssca: if you need help let me know
[08:02] <JRH3K5> Where does Apache2 point to for its files?
[08:02] <JRH3K5> Apache1.3 used to be /var/www
[08:02] <DaSkreech> !tell elDeuce about b-e
[08:02] <scabootssca> ok i'm following the tutorial
[08:02] <DaSkreech> scabootssca: Kool
[08:02] <DaSkreech> mossman: How are you doing?
[08:03] <Chanika> hmm.
[08:03] <Chanika> do most people use gstreamer or xine?
[08:04] <flake> jrh3k5:  i found the apache2 files there when i installed it
[08:05] <DaSkreech> I use xine
[08:05] <JRH3K5> In /var/www
[08:05] <JRH3K5> ?
[08:05] <flake>  /apache2-default
[08:05] <scabootssca> ok libxine-extracodecs is there now. I'm installing it'
[08:05] <flake> i used sudo apt-get install
[08:06] <RobNyc> how do I make my numlock key always on ?
[08:07] <scabootssca> ok the song is playing but no sound
[08:07] <DaSkreech> scabootssca: Hmm do you have sound normally?
[08:08] <scabootssca> no i'm working on that
[08:08] <scabootssca> got a sb audigy2zs
[08:09] <DaSkreech> Ah Someone had an issue with that two days ago
[08:09] <DaSkreech> Audigy has it's own LInux Drivers as I recall
[08:09] <scabootssca> got it
[08:09] <scabootssca> i got it to work
[08:09] <DaSkreech> Though they might have stopped supporting Linux :(
[08:09] <DaSkreech> Cool
[08:10] <DaSkreech>  What did you do
[08:10] <Melchiorre> RobNyc: do you mean so it's on at startup, or so you can't turn it off?
[08:10] <DaSkreech> reopen amarok? :)
[08:10] <scabootssca> used oss sound output plugin
[08:10] <RobNyc> Melchiorre, so its on startup
[08:10] <DaSkreech> ok :)
[08:10] <scabootssca> and restarted amarok
[08:11] <elknof1> hi everybody, im having an issue while watching a movie with kaffeine, the image is like in jumps, not continous, i've allready turned on the dma, so i have no idea what could be...
[08:11] <scabootssca> ok how do i make things open on double click not single cause i keep accidentally opening hings
[08:12] <elDeuce> scabootssca: go to your KDE menu
[08:12] <pulaski> hello
[08:12] <elDeuce> scabootssca: open up System Settings and go to Mouse
[08:12] <dominatrix> hi all
[08:12] <elDeuce> scabootssca: it's in there
[08:12] <scabootssca> got it thanks
[08:12] <flake> is there a 'windoze' key to pop up the KDE menu?
[08:13] <scabootssca> i couldnt figure out which icon it was
[08:13] <elDeuce> scabootssca: i'm still learning, so i help where i can :-)
[08:14] <elknof1> hi everybody, im having an issue while watching a movie with kaffeine, the image is like in jumps, not continous, i've allready turned on the dma, so i have no idea what could be...
[08:14] <DaSkreech> flake: Alt=F1
[08:14] <Melchiorre> RobNyc: System setting -> Hardware -> Keyboard -> Numlock on KDE startup, select Turn on.
[08:14] <dominatrix> quick question, ive got nvidia-glx installed, and recompiled with the restricted module, and done the enable command in Konsole, but i cant increase my resolution
[08:14] <DaSkreech> Alt+F1
[08:14] <DaSkreech> elknof1: Which engine?
[08:15] <flake> thanks
[08:15] <RobNyc> Melchiorre, i dont see that im on ubuntu sorry
[08:15] <Melchiorre> oh, in Ubuntu
[08:16] <elknof1> DaSkreech, xine
[08:16] <Melchiorre> RobNyc, try asking in #Ubuntu, they know Gnome better than us ;)
[08:17] <RobNyc> Melchiorre, ty
[08:17] <DaSkreech> elknof1: Ermm Not sure. I've seen that but I normally just renice it or kill some stuff to make it better
[08:17] <dominatrix> anyone?
[08:17] <JRH3K5> Hmm
[08:17] <RobNyc> Melchiorre, but u know how that channel is lol .. go play the lottery if u get an answer
[08:17] <JRH3K5> So, I've chmodded /var/www/ to 755
[08:17] <JRH3K5> And I've got httpd.conf pointing to it as DocumentRoot
[08:17] <JRH3K5> But I'm getting 403 Forbidden?
[08:18] <DaSkreech> !resolution
[08:18] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart (GNOME), sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart (KDE) To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:18] <elknof1> DaSkreech, is it possible to install gstreamer engine?, i mean without uninstalling xine (because of amarok)??
[08:18] <Melchiorre> RobNyc, heh, yeah, I'll do a quick google for you...
[08:18] <DaSkreech> elknof1: Of course
[08:18] <RobNyc> Melchiorre, thanks so much man
[08:18] <Melchiorre> np
[08:18] <dominatrix> !resolution
[08:18] <ubotu> x is the X Window System; it's the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart (GNOME), sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart (KDE) To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:18] <JRH3K5> Ah, there we go
[08:19] <JRH3K5> Stupid Deny from all
[08:19] <flake> oh
[08:19] <Melchiorre> RobNyc: http://ubuntuos.com/2006/04/random-tip-turn-numlock-on-on-boot
[08:19] <RobNyc> thanks
[08:20] <elDeuce> when i plug my camera into the usb port and run dmesg in konsole i get this error
[08:20] <elDeuce> [17183327.512000]  FAT: Directory bread(block 506) failed
[08:20] <elDeuce> [17183327.512000]   4:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device
[08:20] <vigilante> DaSkreech: how did you get the direct url?
[08:20] <flake> is there any way to remap the alt-f1 key to the windoze key
[08:20] <elknof1> DaSkreech, but i cant use gstreamer with kaffeine... isnt it??
[08:21] <DaSkreech> vigilante: I just loaded it up in firefox
[08:21] <DaSkreech> the redirect opens in the same window
[08:21] <DaSkreech> elknof1: Sure you can
[08:22] <DaSkreech> Settings -> Engine settings
[08:22] <DaSkreech> I think :)
[08:22] <greg> hehhe oops i joined the wrong channel.   forgot i was banned in that other one...
[08:22] <dominatrix> quick question, ive got nvidia-glx installed, and recompiled with the restricted module, and done the enable command in Konsole, but i cant increase my resolution
[08:22] <DaSkreech> dominatrix: !resolution doesn't help?
[08:23] <greg> why is kde so slow in dapper ?   do i have something misconfigured maybe ?
[08:23] <buz> !kopete
[08:23] <ubotu> kopete is Kopete 0.12 testing packages at http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kopete/
[08:23] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: heck no, i just dont get why i cant go above 1024x768
[08:23] <buz> has anyone got kopete packages with fixed icq?
[08:24] <DaSkreech> you ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[08:24] <DaSkreech> They have a section in there to choose your resolution
[08:24] <DaSkreech> buz: AOL messed up the servers
[08:24] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: i can give that a try
[08:24] <buz> DaSkreech: yeah i know
[08:25] <buz> i also know that the kopete guys have a fix
[08:25] <DaSkreech> buz: in #kopete they have the answer in the topic
[08:25] <buz> yeah i know
[08:25] <buz> but i dont like the idea of building kopete on my laptop
[08:25] <greg> what's the key combo for switching tabs in konsole ?
[08:26] <_kalm> you know whats funny? Kubuntu works better on my iMac G3 233mhz 64 RAM than ubuntu,, and kde is supposed to nee more power than Gnome!
[08:26] <DaSkreech> Well check out the SVN commit and see if you can replicate it outside of rebuilding
[08:26] <elDeuce> when i plug my camera into the usb port and run dmesg in konsole i get this error
[08:26] <elDeuce> [17183327.512000]  FAT: Directory bread(block 510) failed
[08:26] <elDeuce> [17183327.512000]   4:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device
[08:26] <elDeuce> [17183327.512000]  FAT: Directory bread(block 511) failed
[08:26] <elDeuce> [17183661.848000]  usb 3-1: USB disconnect, address 6
[08:27] <buz> DaSkreech: its a patch against a code file, not config
[08:27] <flake> time to get down with some et charlie brown
[08:27] <greg> _kalm up until dapper all the kde i ever tried was faster and lighter than the comparable 'nome
[08:27] <buz> so rebuild is probably required
[08:27] <flake> ltr
[08:27] <DaSkreech> later
[08:28] <DaSkreech> buz: then use http://go.icq.com for now
[08:28] <buz> na gaim works
[08:28] <buz> ugly as hell
[08:28] <greg> anyone know the short cut keys to switch tabs in konsole ?
[08:28] <buz> but it works
[08:28] <DaSkreech> greg: Ctrl+PgUP ?
[08:28] <greg> DaSkreech ty
[08:29] <greg> eeek what is the  .local  dir in the home dir all about ?
[08:29] <greg> never seen a system do that before...
[08:30] <DaSkreech> For the Trash?
[08:30] <chendo> quick question: does the desktop version contain gparted or something in case i have to resize partitions?
[08:30] <DaSkreech> No
[08:30] <dominatrix> DasSkreech: now that ive gone through that rigamarole, im guessing the next step is restart X?
[08:30] <elDeuce> anyone know anything about digital cameras and kubuntu?
[08:30] <DaSkreech> dominatrix: Sounds like a plan
[08:30] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: heres hoping
[08:31] <vigilante> DaSkreech: good ol FF
[08:31] <DaSkreech> vigilante: If you had let it load in kwrite then saved it it would have had he same effect :)
[08:31] <DaSkreech> hi noiesmo :)
[08:32] <DaSkreech> Your XGL page seems to be quite the hit :)(
[08:32] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: you sir are a god! where should i send you the n*de photo of myself as payment?(dont worry, im a girl)
[08:33] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[08:33] <DaSkreech> And a dominatrix I'll bet :)
[08:33] <greg> DaSkreech yep it's a trash thing all right.   not anyway to turn trash off ?    cause that will get in the way, when i symlink /usr/local  to ./.local    ???
[08:33] <greg> s/not/now/
[08:34] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, hey there :)
[08:34] <DaSkreech> greg: Why on earth would You do that?
[08:34] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: Thanks a lot for that link
[08:34] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: yup, its nice making your husband stomp away from the PC by sayin somethin like that, he was over my shoulder the whole time, had to get rid of him somehow
[08:34] <DaSkreech> Probably mad he doesn't get pics sent to him :)
[08:35] <hunt0r> unsermake -f admin/Makefile.common cvs
[08:35] <hunt0r> ./admin/cvs.sh: line 33: --version: command not found
[08:35] <hunt0r> *** AUTOCONF NOT FOUND!.
[08:35] <hunt0r> *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer
[08:35] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: nope, he should be happy though, he has the real thing
[08:35] <hunt0r> hi, all when I try to compile Amarok from source I get this error
[08:35] <dominatrix> really? thats odd....
[08:35] <_kalm> has anyone used Wine or Cedega here? how does the performance compare?
[08:35] <hunt0r> but autoconf is installed
[08:35] <greg> anyone know if trash can be disabled ?
[08:36] <DaSkreech> hunt0r: Why are You compiling from source?
[08:36] <hunt0r> De
[08:36] <hunt0r> DaSkreech: I want to ttry the newest cvs version
[08:36] <dominatrix> i think i smell a proggie rewrite
[08:37] <greg> command 'groups' shows the primary group first ?
[08:38] <DaSkreech> hunt0r: Maybe try installing autoconf?
[08:38] <DaSkreech> dominatrix: What lang?
[08:38] <DaSkreech> Should
[08:38] <greg> the man page is blank on that point!
[08:38] <hunt0r> [08:35:50]  <hunt0r> but autoconf is installed
[08:38] <RobNyc> daaamnn ubuntu mirrors are slow today
[08:38] <DaSkreech> hunt0r: Ah Which version?
[08:39] <RobNyc> hehe
[08:39] <hunt0r> 2.59a-7
[08:39] <CpuWhiz> has anyone had a problem where a kde app stops letting you type stuff? (I am using KDE 3.5.3 and scim for ocassional Japanese input)
[08:40] <chendo> kubuntu comes with partition tools for the install, yeah?
[08:40] <DaSkreech> Erm not sure then
[08:40] <DaSkreech> chendo: It uses them yes
[08:40] <chendo> cool, ta
[08:41] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: oh, sorry was installing kuake, eng
[08:41] <DaSkreech> dominatrix: ha ha I meant what language are you rewriting the program in?
[08:41] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: one of the growing number of americans to join the tux revolution
[08:42] <DaSkreech> dominatrix: Get yakuake :)
[08:42] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: yakuake?
[08:42] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, sorry about that just logon then phone goes off chatting to a mate, yeh there has been a few hits to site it's all good.
[08:42] <DaSkreech> Yes
[08:42] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: better version?
[08:42] <DaSkreech> noiesmo: You still update it from time to time?
[08:42] <DaSkreech> dominatrix: yeppers
[08:42] <dominatrix> nice
[08:43] <DaSkreech> dominatrix: So I guess you will be hanging around here for a few weeks then?
[08:43] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, did about 3-4 weeks ago will have to check it over again but will keep it up to date :)
[08:44] <DaSkreech> Schweet :)
[08:44] <DaSkreech> I hosed my system so I'm going to try and format and try again :)
[08:44] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, if i want to move it from its current link to another is it easy to update the bot
[08:44] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[08:44] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: couple weeks? im a genius, but linux can spit PC programmers like even ME out! try till i get booted and banned!
[08:44] <DaSkreech> Just ping me or someone responsive in -devel
[08:45] <DaSkreech> dominatrix: What language do you program in?
[08:45] <greg> DaSkreech that's the way i learned everything i know about linux...  'the trial and reformat method'
[08:45] <noiesmo> cool i'll let someone know when I've move it but will keep old one going for a while after
[08:45] <DaSkreech> greg: I don't need to reformat :) I can fix the problem if I really want
[08:45] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: c++ mainly, although i landed a sweet gig for EALA doing 128 bit hex entry
[08:46] <DaSkreech> But I'm thinking of dualing with Edgy
[08:46] <greg> DaSkreech formating and reinstalling is fixing it...
[08:46] <dominatrix> DaSkreech, i need Cedega...
[08:46] <DaSkreech> A dominatrix programmer :) or is that a programming dominatirx :-s
[08:46] <elDeuce> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb
[08:46] <elDeuce> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[08:46] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: though i heard VMware went public and free
[08:46] <elDeuce> what does this mean
[08:46] <DaSkreech> dominatrix: Might be in the commercial repos
[08:46] <_kalm> hm, whats the best language to start programming in??? many say Python is good... but i dont know about that
[08:47] <DaSkreech> dominatrix: but the best bet is to hit the site I would guess
[08:47] <greg> elDeuce means that /dev/usb is not a filesystem
[08:47] <dominatrix> Python is ok, if you have a good base to start from
[08:47] <DaSkreech> elDeuce: You need something like -t vfat
[08:47] <dominatrix> honestly? grab qbasic and learn from there
[08:47] <elDeuce> greg: i never specified /dev/usb
[08:47] <DaSkreech> _kalm: python isn't bad
[08:47] <hunt0r> _kalm: try java ;)
[08:48] <insanekane> _kalm: i strongly suggest python
[08:48] <DaSkreech> _kalm: I'd say it depends on how deep into programming you expect to get
[08:48] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: yeah, but i hate paying for crap for an open source OS
[08:48] <greg> elDeuce if the node is there then the fs is not partition 1     try the whole disk
[08:48] <DaSkreech> Ha ha That's not fair :)
[08:48] <DaSkreech> dominatrix: Get WINE then
[08:48] <elDeuce> DaSkreech: thanks, that changed the error to -- mount: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist
[08:48] <greg> mount /dev/sda /mnt/usb
[08:48] <elDeuce> DaSkreech: it worked like 15 minutes ago
[08:48] <dominatrix> _kalm: if your gonna go hardcore, its best to learn how it was done way ack in the olden times
[08:49] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: yeah Right, Wine doesnt stand a chance of running guild wars properly
[08:49] <DaSkreech> Ooeerr a Guilide
[08:49] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: ive tried
[08:50] <dominatrix> DaSkrech: yup Rohars Roughnecks, great guild, been with them for 6 months, and wont quit
[08:51] <DaSkreech> Well You can pull the cedega CVS and that's free
[08:51] <_kalm> i have looked at Python,,, seems simple and nice, perl was interestin too, but its more internet thing isnt it? C++ seem difficult!! i dont know much about those languages
[08:51] <DaSkreech> they don't charge for that
[08:51] <_kalm> but something that might even get me a career
[08:52] <DaSkreech> Just be good. People will pay for you
[08:52] <Quarupted> Can konversation do multiple servers?
[08:52] <elDeuce> DaSkreech: if i mounted my usb key and it worked fine like 30 minutes ago, how come it won't work now?
[08:53] <DaSkreech> elDeuce: Fluke?
[08:53] <DaSkreech> Well I'm off to bed all
[08:53] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: the CVS is free? where can i nab that at?
[08:54] <DaSkreech> Check the forums on Cedega
[08:55] <bur[n] er> anyone around who knows how to use tango with KDE?  i can't get the folder icons to go away from crystal
[08:58] <imbrandon> Quarupted, yes
[08:58] <Quarupted> imbrandon: Yes what?
[08:59] <imbrandon> [01:52]  <Quarupted> Can konversation do multiple servers?
[08:59] <Quarupted> Oh sorry was so long ago
[08:59] <Quarupted> man its a nicer client than i thought
[08:59] <imbrandon> heh about 8 or nine minutes ;)
[08:59] <Quarupted> As good as Xchat minus scripting stuff
[08:59] <intelikey> brand new fresh install.  and dist-upgrade already says..
[08:59] <intelikey> 73 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:59] <intelikey> Need to get 154MB of archives.
[09:00] <imbrandon> Quarupted, konversation uses python scipting if you want
[09:00] <DaSkreech> And They just added the abilty to complete your own name :)
[09:00] <DaSkreech> imbrandon: Ha Kwin is a compositing manager now !
[09:00] <Quarupted> Its nicer than it was last time
[09:00] <Quarupted> I wont even bother to get Xchat for now
[09:00] <imbrandon> Quarupted, nightly builds of konv are up on buntudot.org if you wanna stay on the bleeding edge ;)
[09:00] <Quarupted> wish there was like Xirssi
[09:01] <intelikey> isn't there
[09:01] <intelikey> there is xbitchx
[09:01] <Quarupted> I like irssi better than bitchx
[09:03] <elDeuce> anyone know of a way to make a shortcut on the desktop that i can click and it will run a terminal command?
[09:03] <Desh> How do I check to see if my Kubuntu is set up to use 2 monitors?
[09:03] <intelikey> elDeuce make a script
[09:03] <imbrandon> elDeuce, make a scipt
[09:04] <Desh> It shows two monitors in the display settings even tho one is set to the status: <unknown>
[09:04] <imbrandon> brb afk , not sure Desh
[09:04] <elDeuce> how do i make a script? sorry, i'm new
[09:04] <DaSkreech> mossman, dominatrix: It was nice meeting you. Hope I see you again. Shout at me if you see me :)
[09:04] <DaSkreech>  Night noiesmo
[09:04] <dominatrix> okay, i just bought and DLed Cedega, and got a .deb package, but every time i try and install it, it says that its not in my PATH, any ideas?
[09:05] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: wait! one las question!
[09:05] <DaSkreech> eek
[09:05] <DaSkreech> !script
[09:05] <ubotu> I know nothing about script
[09:05] <intelikey> elDeuce open an editor and type the command you want to run then save as text to the file name you like   and point a launcher to it
[09:05] <DaSkreech> !bash
[09:05] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via applications -> accessories -> terminal (gnome) or kmenu -> system -> konsole (kde). Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[09:05] <DaSkreech> dominatrix: What?
[09:06] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: I need to know how to install a .deb file, cedega says its not in my PATH
[09:06] <DaSkreech> dominatrix: how are you installing it?
[09:06] <intelikey> elDeuce it needs to be execurable also... i omited that.     basicly  anything you would type on the command line can be put in a script. and some other things also.
[09:07] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: nvm, i learned the power of right click> actions...lol, im a dummy
[09:07] <_kalm> How do you play music files from another computer in my lan? i havent really succeeded in it...
[09:07] <DaSkreech> :-)
[09:07] <noiesmo> DaSkreech, night dude catch ya soon
[09:07] <DaSkreech> dominatrix: Ok let it open and let me know I'm free
[09:08] <dominatrix> DaSkreech, im good, you go if ya need to, im just tryin to find xlibs so ill stop getting dependancy errors
[09:08] <DaSkreech> dominatrix: and you know how to go about all that?
[09:09] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: not really, but im smart, and i have adept
[09:09] <DaSkreech> Whats the time where you are at? Just out of curiosity :)
[09:09] <DaSkreech> dominatrix: So it seems :) Have you added any repos?
[09:09] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: 1:09 AM
[09:10] <intelikey> elDeuce paste this in a terminal -->    echo -e "\#!/bin/sh \n\n echo 'hell-o world!'" >> ~/myscript && chmod 755 ~/myscript ; ~/myscript
[09:10] <intelikey> then you cna use it.  modify to suit your needs.
[09:10] <insanekane> _kalm: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/3882
[09:10] <elDeuce> intelikey: i need -- mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera -- on my desktop
[09:11] <_kalm> ok thak you
[09:11] <elDeuce> intelikey: so that my g/f can mount her camera without my aid
[09:11] <DaSkreech> !tell dominatrix about repositaries
[09:11] <ubotu> I know nothing about repositaries
[09:11] <DaSkreech> !tell dominatrix about repositories
[09:11] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: ive enabled just about everything in sources.list
[09:11] <DaSkreech> dominatrix: There are more than that There is also Multiverse
[09:12] <DaSkreech> !tell dominatrix about Multiverse
[09:12] <jron> anyone have probs with their desktop becoming 100% unresponisive with the newest kubuntu build?
[09:12] <DaSkreech> That should keep in the good till tomorrow
[09:12] <intelikey> elDeuce  echo -e "\#!/bin/sh \n\nmount /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera" > ~/myscript && chmod 755 ~/myscript
[09:12] <elDeuce> jron: nope
[09:12] <intelikey> and make a launcher that points to it.
[09:12] <DaSkreech> dominatrix: See you! Good night tell the rest of the family I said Hi and good night
[09:12] <dominatrix> DaSkreech, i know all that, but do i need to add multiverse to the resticted repo entries too?
[09:12] <DaSkreech> Nope
[09:13] <elDeuce> intelikey: i get this error -su: !/bin/sh: event not found
[09:13] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: night, ill figure it out, and if not, ill whine till i get it
[09:13] <jron> my desktop has died 3 times in 1 day from right clicking on icons =(
[09:14] <DaSkreech> jron: It logged you out?
[09:14] <dominatrix> god, i cant remember the command to unlock adept, it crashed, :P
[09:14] <intelikey> elDeuce ok try that one >>>     echo -e "#\!/bin/sh \n\nmount /dev/sda1 /mnt/camera" > ~/myscript && chmod 755 ~/myscript
[09:14] <elDeuce> jron: have you rebooted since the upgrade?
[09:14] <DaSkreech> dpkg --configure -a
[09:14] <DaSkreech> That normally works for me
[09:14] <jron> DaSkreech: no, the desktop just stops working =(
[09:14] <jron> elDeuce: yes, i have =(
[09:15] <DaSkreech> jron: doesn't refresh itself?
[09:15] <intelikey> simple mistake.  escaped the comment   rather than the not    hmm oh well.
[09:15] <jron> nope, mousing over it just shows a pointing finger DaSkreech
[09:15] <elDeuce> intelikey: where did it same it to?
[09:15] <intelikey> ~
[09:15] <elDeuce> save*
[09:15] <jron> icons end up vanishing,.,,,
[09:15] <intelikey> that's your home
[09:16] <intelikey> ~ expands to the users home.
[09:16] <DaSkreech> dominatrix: What just happened?
[09:16] <elDeuce> intelikey: umm, it's not in /home
[09:16] <DaSkreech> jron: That's happened twice to me but the desktop just kills itself and restarts
[09:16] <intelikey> no your home is not /home
[09:16] <intelikey> your home dir.    /home/eldeuce
[09:16] <intelikey> or what ever it is.
[09:16] <dominatrix> DaSkreech, had to reset X to get adept workin again
[09:17] <jron> DaSkreech: wish mine would restart itself :P
[09:17] <jron> about to switch to xubuntu =(
[09:17] <elDeuce> intelikey: nope, not there either
[09:17] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: i cant find anything but xlibs-dev in the list...
[09:17] <DaSkreech> That may be what you need
[09:17] <elDeuce> intelikey: sorry, i'm not trying to be dense. this is my 4th day with linux
[09:18] <elDeuce> intelikey: i typed in exactly what you gave me
[09:18] <dominatrix> im getting annoyed
[09:18] <exceswater> hi all
[09:18] <elDeuce> intelikey: even if i put sudo in front of the cmd you gave it it still doesnt show up in /home/kyle
[09:18] <elDeuce> exceswater:  hi
[09:19] <exceswater> hi elDeuce
[09:19] <jron> not gona lie... ubuntu is way harder to install packages than gentoo =(
[09:19] <exceswater> who can help me with a small problem
[09:19] <jron> mplayer isn't even on the list.
[09:19] <exceswater> i need to compress a video
[09:19] <exceswater> mpg
[09:19] <exceswater> in kubuntu
[09:19] <exceswater> ...
[09:19] <jron> just kmplayer which doesn't even load xvid =(
[09:19] <intelikey> elDeuce if you sudo it it will put it in /root/
[09:19] <exceswater> does any1 knows how
[09:20] <Sunnyblizard> Hi all
[09:20] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: i cant find xlibs or any mention of it anywhere, either thru apt or adept...
[09:20] <exceswater> !compress
[09:20] <ubotu> I know nothing about compress
[09:20] <jron> people are saying install automatix... but this will be the 3rd package manager i have installed... kinda retarted =(
[09:20] <exceswater> !video
[09:20] <ubotu> I know nothing about video
[09:20] <exceswater> !mpg
[09:20] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:20] <exceswater> !compres
[09:20] <ubotu> I know nothing about compres
[09:20] <DaSkreech> Maybe you need xlibs-dev?
[09:21] <intelikey> elDeuce in the irc client type /exec -o ls ~/myscript -l
[09:21] <dominatrix> !xlibs
[09:21] <ubotu> I know nothing about xlibs
[09:21] <elDeuce> intelikey: i did a Find for the myscript and it's in /(root)
[09:21] <DaSkreech> dominatrix: try http://packages.ubunut.com
[09:21] <DaSkreech> htpp://packages.ubuntu.com
[09:21] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: i Installed it, but no go...
[09:21] <DaSkreech> dang
[09:21] <Sunnyblizard> !services
[09:21] <ubotu> I know nothing about services
[09:22] <DaSkreech> http://packages.ubuntu.com
[09:22] <Sunnyblizard> service
[09:22] <DaSkreech> Ha ha:)
[09:22] <Sunnyblizard> !service
[09:22] <ubotu> I know nothing about service
[09:22] <jron> exceswater: where is mplayer? in gentoo i could just emerge mplayer then mplayer <xvidfile> to play a vid. =(
[09:22] <DaSkreech> then you can whine all you like :)
[09:22] <jron> i really don't care for gstreamer.
[09:22] <intelikey> yeah you made one there when you did it sudo... elDeuce there is one in your home/dir/ also if you ever ran that as a user.  and not as root.
[09:23] <DaSkreech> jron: kmplayer?
[09:23] <elDeuce> intelikey: ahh there is goes
[09:23] <exceswater> i can play the file
[09:23] <exceswater> i need to compress it :D
[09:23] <elDeuce> intelikey: i was logged in as root
[09:23] <intelikey> elDeuce at any rate.  you can use that.   just point a launcher at it.
[09:23] <jron> DaSkreech: i installed kmplayer... but it looks to use something called kmplayerlib to play vids... which isnt working.
[09:23] <DaSkreech> !xvid
[09:23] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[09:23] <jron> with normal mplayer i could just launch it from the console.
[09:23] <elDeuce> intelikey: okay, so it is in my home dir - how do i click on it and it run the command instead of just opening text editor
[09:23] <elDeuce> intelikey: what is a launcher?
[09:24] <DaSkreech> jron: To play xvid read those links
[09:24] <DaSkreech> Well night again
[09:24] <jron> DaSkreech: ill check um out, just confused as to why mplayer isnt in the repos. =(
[09:25] <dominatrix> DaSkreech: cedega installed fine, i dont understand why it was bein a poo about xlibs
[09:25] <jron> these links just seem to tell me: install gstreamer.... which is not what i wana use =(
[09:25] <intelikey> elDeuce on the desktop   right click  >  create new > link to application.
[09:27] <elDeuce> intelikey: am i looking for a program called launcher?
[09:27] <intelikey> elDeuce no you are looking for  ~/myscript
[09:28] <ryantrip> hey whats the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu
[09:28] <elDeuce> intelikey: okay, lets see if i did this right
[09:29] <kosh> ubuntu defaults to gnome, kubuntu defaults to kde
[09:29] <kosh> that is it
[09:29] <kosh> other then that they are identical
[09:29] <ryantrip> which is better?
[09:29] <kosh> same repository for all packages etc
[09:29] <kosh> it depends on which you like more kde or gnome
[09:29] <kosh> all choosing kubuntu/ubuntu does is installation defaults
[09:29] <ryantrip> what does each one surve?
[09:29] <kosh> I prefer kde more then gnome however this is the kubuntu channel
[09:30] <ryantrip> yea
[09:30] <kosh> what do you mean what does each one serve?
[09:30] <ryantrip> what is he difference between gnome and kde
[09:30] <elDeuce> intelikey: okay cool. it works
[09:30] <intelikey> elDeuce congradulations.  you just wrote your first linux program(with a little help).   and only four days into it.    kewl!     :)
[09:30] <kosh> hmm not sure how to cover that
[09:31] <kosh> they are both fairly different desktops that work in different ways however any software in one you can run in the other
[09:31] <elDeuce> is there a way to add a couple lines so that it will auto log into root so she wont have to worry about it?
[09:31] <kosh> gnome is more minimalist, kde is more configurable and integrated in my viewpoint
[09:31] <ryantrip> ok so what if i wanted it on my mac? is it better?
[09:32] <intelikey> elDeuce you can set the 'launcher' you made on your desktop to run sudo befor the script.
[09:32] <kosh> it depends on what you are doing
[09:32] <intelikey> right click it and 'configure' it.
[09:32] <kosh> if you write software for a living I would say that kde is better then the macosx
[09:32] <ryantrip> but if its for person use, then ubutntu
[09:33] <ryantrip> ?
[09:33] <elDeuce> intelikey: but doesnt sudo ask for a password?
[09:33] <intelikey> elDeuce also as i said eariler.  anything you could do on the command line, just put it in the script.
[09:33] <intelikey> elDeuce yes it will
[09:33] <kosh> depends on what your personal usage is
[09:33] <kosh> what I would do is just try both and see which you like more
[09:34] <ryantrip> idk how to tell the difference
[09:34] <intelikey> the only way you can get root access to that without a password is to edit /etc/sudoers     and you aint ready for that yet.   besides it would be a security hole you could fly the space shuttel throuth
[09:35] <elDeuce> how come when i click on the shortcut on the desktop the new window sits there for like a minute saying "Loading Application" and then goes away
[09:35] <kosh> install both and try for yourself
[09:35] <kosh> elDeuce: the timeout for how long the system puts the waiting thing there expired
[09:35] <elDeuce> intelikey: can i PM you? other talk is giving me a headache
[09:35] <kosh> elDeuce: what are you trying to do?
[09:36] <intelikey> elDeuce you can configure it to "run in a terminal"   when you click the launcher.
[09:36] <elDeuce> kosh: working on making my first linux script
[09:36] <kosh> ah
[09:36] <denis_> hey guys
[09:36] <denis_> just installed kubuntu
[09:36] <intelikey> elDeuce yeah if you are regestered
[09:37] <denis_> does anyone know why my sound icon has a red X over it and why i dont have sound? lol. I'm a total newb i'm sorry
[09:37] <elDeuce> denis_: congrats
[09:38] <denis_> I just want to familiarize myself with unix-based OS. Figured I'd go with this one.
[09:38] <Desh> Is it possible to install fglrx 8.24.8 on Xorg 7.0?
[09:38] <kosh> denis_: where do you see a red X at?
[09:39] <denis_> in the tray
[09:39] <elDeuce> denis_: is it possible it is muted?
[09:39] <kosh> ah hmm
[09:39] <RawSewage> New Linux kernel tonight
[09:39] <elDeuce> denis_: when mine is muted i have a dash across it
[09:39] <RawSewage> big update
[09:39] <denis_> i dont think so.. i didnt set it on mute, and i cant seem to get to the "mixer"
[09:39] <kosh> RawSewage: you compiled your own kernel?
[09:39] <RawSewage> 106 mb
[09:39] <RawSewage> kosh, hell no
[09:39] <Desh> RawSewage: Which version? 2.6.15-26?
[09:39] <kosh> denis_: can you right click on it and see any options?
[09:40] <denis_> when i click on it, "kmix" opens, but there's nothing under "current mixer" for me to choose in the combo box
[09:40] <RawSewage> Desh, yes
[09:40] <kosh> RawSewage: oh I see an update to the dapper one, doesn't effect me since I don't use that kernel
[09:40] <kosh> denis_: what sound card do you have?
[09:40] <Desh> RawSewage: Sweet, I got it already. :)
[09:40] <RawSewage> Desh, when
[09:40] <denis_> its some kind of intergrated one that comes with the compaq deskpro model
[09:40] <Desh> RawSewage: A few hours ago. Adept was like, yo you got updates, and I was like, cool.
[09:41] <kosh> denis_: can you use lspci and find out what kind of sound card you have? just type that in a konsole window
[09:41] <RawSewage> lol
[09:42] <denis_> It doesnt seem to say anything about audio / sound.
[09:43] <kosh> that is strange
[09:43] <denis_> it just says some Host:Bridge Intel Corp. 440BX/ etc etc type of stuff
[09:44] <stanks> hi...me again
[09:44] <Desh> the fglrx installer says I am running an i686 arch, but I installed the 386 version of ubuntu and have been using that kernel and those restricted modules, is that ok?
[09:44] <stanks> i have a question about packages
[09:44] <denis_> then AGP bridge, Ethernet controller, ISA bridge, IDE interface, USB controller, :\
[09:44] <RawSewage> kosh, you still have Breezy?  or are you using Eft
[09:44] <stanks> can i install packages from dapper to breezy
[09:45] <stanks> i am not talking about base system files, but about utils, apps, etc.
[09:46] <denis_> kosh: any clue?
[09:46] <kosh> RawSewage: dapper with some sid and custom kernel
[09:46] <RawSewage> are you that person that likes to strip everything down
[09:46] <kosh> denis_: usually you end up with an entry like 0000:00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04)
[09:46] <kosh> denis_: if yours does not say audio in any of them that is bizarre as heck
[09:46] <berkes> good morning world.
[09:47] <kosh> denis_: since that would mean the system coudl not even find a define that called itself an audio device and thus no hope of having it run
[09:47] <RawSewage> lean mean kernel
[09:47] <kosh> no mine is not realy stripped down
[09:47] <kosh> I just needed some stuff outside the 2.6.15 kernel series
[09:47] <denis_> ouch... so there's no way for me to get audio to work on this thing? :\
[09:47] <berkes> is anyone here using kubuntu on a laptop with wifi? (and travelling or moving from network to network a lot)
[09:47] <denis_> cuz that's just depressing
[09:47] <kosh> denis_: you just said the lspci is showing that there is no audio on the system, that is VERY strange I have not seen that on any box in 10 years
[09:48] <kosh> denis_: even soundcards that don't work have always been found before in the systems I have worked with
[09:48] <denis_> hah wow. Cuz i DO have audio, cuz i had it on windows run pretty smoothly.
[09:48] <jron> can anyone inform me as to why the hell mplayer won't install, i checked the forums and everyone says, uncomment all the repos in sources.list then apt-get install mplayer-386... which does jack in my case.
[09:48] <kosh> it might be some kind of software audio instead of hardware audio
[09:48] <kosh> so the system can't find it
[09:48] <berkes> I cannot find the right tools for managing my wifi in an easy way. Right now I have some shell scripts that I run as sudo,
[09:48] <denis_> hm. thats pretty lame. :(
[09:48] <berkes> but there /must/ be some way to automate this better, not?
[09:49] <cox377> jron: run update
[09:49] <jron> why isn't the most popular video player for nix not in the repos =(
[09:49] <kosh> denis_: can you tell me the exact model number of your compaq machine?
[09:49] <jron> cox377: i have, but thank you for your reply.
[09:49] <flaccid_> i just copied a bunch of stuff through fish
[09:49] <kosh> jron: it is in multiverse
[09:49] <kosh> jron: just enable that repository and install it
[09:49] <denis_> It just says COMPAQ DESKPRO on the case.
[09:49] <flaccid_> now the dirs are coming up in fish as ULAW (sun) Audio wtf?
[09:49] <kosh> no model number?
[09:50] <jron> ive looked in synaptic, the kde package mon and through apt get with the konsole.... no luck
[09:50] <denis_> not on the case no
[09:50] <jron> all sources in sources.list are uncommented as well.
[09:51] <intelikey> ah much better...
[09:51] <Search4Lancer> I had a program that I used to monitor exactly what was going through my connection.... don't remember the name of it though... any ideas?
[09:52] <intelikey> gkrealm  maybe   idk
[09:52] <Desh> How do I move a windows that is too long?
[09:52] <berkes> Search4Lancer: netsat?
[09:52] <berkes> tss. netstat.
[09:52] <kosh> denis_: there are about 200 deskpros that are all different
[09:53] <kosh> denis_: unless you know the specific model I can't help with that
[09:53] <intelikey> rrr sorry gkrellm
[09:53] <denis_> ouch. lol. ok let me see.
[09:53] <Desh> I have a window that is too long and I cannot see the bottom hoc an I move it up?
[09:53] <intelikey> Desh grab it with   [alt]  left mouse
[09:53] <Desh> intelikey, thanks.
[09:54] <denis_> KOSH: http://used-monitors.com/buru/images/catalog/used_systems/Compaq Deskpro Desktop 733 Mhz.JPG
[09:54] <denis_> thats what the model looks like.
[09:54] <intelikey> play with twm a little while you pick up things like that  :)
[09:54] <Desh> the old fglrx, I am making it make a ubuntu deb, should I choose ubuntu daper or ubuntu 6.04?
[09:54] <denis_> lo but i guess thats little hlep
[09:55] <Search4Lancer> berkes, etc: It spit out information similar to how netstat does it, but it was an actual graphical program, not a terminal one
[09:55] <intelikey> dapper or 6.4  ???
[09:55] <Desh> 6.04, yes that and a bunch of breezy and hoary are alternatives.
[09:55] <berkes> Search4Lancer: Ksystemlog
[09:56] <Search4Lancer> nope
[09:57] <kosh> denis_: sorry I just can't find the information on it, the support site for it is close to worthless
[09:57] <kosh> denis_: it lists the model on one page and when you click on it for more information it lists a whole bunch of other models but not that one anymore
[09:57] <intelikey> lsb_release -a
[09:57] <denis_> yeah, its pretty hopeless. :( *frustrated
[09:58] <intelikey> anyone around that knows something about the system ?
[09:58] <Search4Lancer> found it: Ethereal
[09:59] <kosh> denis_: yours is the first system I have ever seen where linux could not even find the onboard audio sorry
[09:59] <kosh> denis_: the odds of making it work would be close to nil
[09:59] <fek_> moin
[09:59] <denis_> lol. gotcha.
[09:59] <Desh> what do linux headers do?
[09:59] <denis_> thanks for trying man, i appreciate it :)
[10:00] <jron> is the multiuniverse not already in the sources.list to be uncommented?
[10:00] <jron> if not, what is the address to the multiuniverse?
[10:01] <TheMoebius> yay amoraK crashed as I was transferring files to my ipod and then Kmail crashed as I was trying to submit the backtrace.
[10:01] <jron> because mplayer is def listed as a package and does NOT exist when i apt get it.
[10:01] <intelikey> jron just add the word to the end of any line.
[10:01] <jron> intelikey: ?
[10:01] <kosh> kmail crashed on you?
[10:01] <jron> add multiuniverse?
[10:02] <kosh> just uncomment the multiverse line then sudo apt-get update
[10:02] <intelikey> jron   deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[10:02] <intelikey> just add it to the end of the line  ^
[10:02] <jron> kosh, i've looked over my sources.list 100 times and the word multi is NOT in the file.
[10:02] <jron> k, i will try that intelikey
[10:02] <kosh> TheMoebius: you may want to install memtest86+ and then reboot to run the tests
[10:03] <kosh> jron: that is very strange the default file has it
[10:03] <namibian_menx> ?
[10:03] <TheMoebius> kosh: I'm too scared to do that...
[10:03] <kosh> TheMoebius: you don't know what know if the memory is bad?
[10:04] <intelikey> you can add universe multiverse to any line except special repos.  like seaves.org
[10:04] <jron> thank christ intelikey, that worked.
[10:04] <intelikey> patrick88296 the kubuntu live  has ssh  no?
[10:05] <TheMoebius> kosh: well i fear the memory is bad and that would suck a lot
[10:05] <TheMoebius> grrrrr
[10:05] <TheMoebius> ok what must be done must be done
[10:06] <TheMoebius> pray for me please.
[10:06] <intelikey> i wish i could find someone with a clue....
[10:07] <intelikey> that could tell me why anyone would setup an init script to do this...
[10:07] <intelikey>  3980 ?        Ss     0:00 /bin/dd bs 1 if /proc/kmsg of /var/run/klogd/kmsg
[10:07] <intelikey> dd is running full time.... on every default *ubuntu system.
[10:12] <Desh> I have a source duirectory for the fglrx driver, how would I build and install this?
[10:19] <__osh___> intelikey: I'd like to think I have a clue. What's the problem.
[10:19] <intelikey> __osh___ why is  dd running on your system ?
[10:20] <intelikey> is there not a better way to log kernel messages than using an external app like dd ?
[10:21] <jacques_> bonjour
[10:21] <intelikey> bonjourno
[10:25] <__osh___> intelikey: dd isn't running on my system. is it on yours?
[10:25] <intelikey> __osh___ what are you running ?
[10:25] <__osh___> intelikey: kubuntu dapper
[10:25] <intelikey> me too
[10:26] <__osh___> intelikey: you know what dd does, don't you?
[10:26] <intelikey> __osh___ ps -A x | grep /bin/dd
[10:26] <intelikey> of course.
[10:26] <intelikey>  3980 ?        Ss     0:00 /bin/dd bs 1 if /proc/kmsg of /var/run/klogd/kmsg
[10:28] <__osh___> intelikey: Looks like it's getting info from /proc/kmesg and logging those msgs to kmsg. Kernel messages iirc.
[10:28] <__osh___> intelikey: Why does that bother you?
[10:28] <_rince_> where have the smp kernel-images gone?
[10:29] <_rince_> is 686 now implicitly smp?
[10:29] <fek_> _rince_: apt-cache search smp
[10:29] <z00m> greetings all
[10:30] <intelikey> __osh___ looks like the init team takes for granted that /bin/dd is always handy.   and that no one cares if it's running.       i wonder how hard it'd be to exploid that...
[10:30] <_rince_> ah, haven't read the description ... so smp is turned on by default?
[10:31] <z00m> need some help installing nvidia drivers for my gfx card, already set them up the otherday and decided to format kubuntu so i could have windows XP also on dual boot. do i just have to install the nvidia-gtx ?
[10:32] <z00m> can't remeber if i needed to check kernal version also
[10:33] <kuzmaster> hello all
[10:33] <kuzmaster> can somone please tell me how to mount a cd?
[10:34] <abattoir> z00m: i think it'd be nvidia-glx
[10:34] <__osh___> intelikey: I'd assume that dd is always availible. Haven't seen a system without dd for quite some time. Why shouldn't the init-team take dd for granted? That's how you build stuff, using previous work by others. As for the exploit part, I'm sure there's a way. If you find it you'll make us all a favor.
[10:34] <abattoir> !info nvidia-glx
[10:34] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In repository restricted, is optional. Version 1.0.8762+2.6.15.11-3 (dapper), package size 3963 kB, installed size 12240 kB
[10:34] <abattoir> kuzmaster: through the command line?
[10:34] <kuzmaster> yeah
[10:34] <z00m> abattoir: thanks i thought it was that.
[10:34] <RawSewage> kuzmaster, easiest way is to right click in your Home folder and
[10:35] <RawSewage> kuzmaster, Make New -  Link to Device
[10:35] <accumulator> are there more ppl that have had problems with the 127.0.0.1/lo interface?
[10:35] <kuzmaster> ok, thanx
[10:35] <RawSewage> then double click your new icon
[10:35] <abattoir> kuzmaster: 'sudo mount /dev/hdc' check what device your cdrom is.... 'dev/?'
[10:35] <intelikey> __osh___ i'm too lazy to look for it...    but i'll circumvent dd continuously running on my box.  ;/
[10:36] <abattoir> z00m: oh, i thought you had got the package wrong 'nvidia-gtx'
[10:37] <accumulator> dapper seems to NOT assign 127.0.0.1 to the lo interface
[10:37] <accumulator> ..but it could be my foobar
[10:37] <__osh___> intelikey: sorry, I didn't get that last part. circumvent dd? It doesn't make sense to me. Perhaps because english isn't my native language.
[10:38] <z00m> abattoir: iwas just double checking ;)
[10:38] <intelikey> __osh___ with all the code that has gone into the kernel.  one would asume there would be a way for the kernel to dump it's error messages to a file without having to have dd hold the door open for it.      oh circ...dd i'll make it not run all time here.
[10:38] <abattoir> z00m: oh, ok :)
[10:40] <z00m> abattoir: im just in the process of doing an update with adept updater, so ill install the nvidia-gtk after that because there is updates for my kernal
[10:40] <accumulator> does anyone here have no 127.0.0.1 assigned to their lo interface?
[10:41] <abattoir> accumulator: its assigned automatically for me
[10:41] <intelikey> sudo is to console as gksudo is to gnome-termenal as ??? is to konsole
[10:41] <z00m> inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
[10:41] <accumulator> abattoir: you're running dapper?
[10:41] <z00m> thats on my lo
[10:41] <abattoir> accumulator: yes
[10:41] <__osh___> intelikey: I'm sure it'd take about 20 sec to write a file-logging module to the kernel, but why bother when the tool is already out there? I get your point but I don't really see the problem. The less code the kernel devels have to focus on, the less chances there are that a bug will be introduced.
[10:41] <abattoir> intelikey: gksudo:kdesu
[10:41] <accumulator> my 127.0.0.1 vanished after package upgrades
[10:42] <accumulator> I added it manually to /etc/network/interfaces
[10:42] <accumulator> but I wondered if it came from the packages or if it was my fault (my /usr ran low on space during upgrade)
[10:42] <z00m> try dhcpcd lo
[10:43] <intelikey> __osh___ ture.     so why aren't we still using  linux-1.0  ???
[10:43] <z00m> ah, dhcpcd is not in this distro
[10:43] <accumulator> z00m: why would you want to use DHCP on lo iface?
[10:43] <Pupeno> Does anybody know about a howto to write Sieve scripts ?
[10:44] <z00m> accumulator: don't know im just chatting crap .. .lol
[10:44] <accumulator> z00m: thats ok :)
[10:44] <z00m> :D
[10:44] <__osh___> intelikey: more and better hardware support? better memory management? I'm not saying that one shouldn't introduce features, just that there's no point in reinventing the wheel.
[10:44] <intelikey> but dd isn't the wheel
[10:45] <intelikey> one could use cat   i guess....
[10:45] <intelikey> doesn't matter.
[10:45] <accumulator> anyway, not having 127.0.0.1 assigned to lo creates all kinds of weird effects
[10:45] <Desh> Can someone help me with an uninstallation?
[10:45] <abattoir> Desh: uninstallation of what?
[10:45] <intelikey> Desh maybe
[10:46] <accumulator> Desh: tired of windows?
[10:46] <Pupeno> Desh: just ask about what you want to do.
[10:46] <__osh___> intelikey: I didn't know you could specify blocksize in cat. And dd is more or less a fundamental tool to unix, wouldn't you say?
[10:46] <Desh> Uninstalling fglrx, apparently there is a diversion error r something of this account.
[10:46] <kosh> loopback is 127.0.0.1 by definition for tcp/ip
[10:46] <kosh> changing it to something else is a great way to break a LOT of things
[10:46] <Desh> Here is the apt-get output: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17809
[10:47] <accumulator> kosh: I know, but it disappeared on me
[10:47] <kosh> sudo ifup lo
[10:47] <accumulator> kosh: do you by any chance have a start-symlink to /etc/init.d/loopback in your runlevels?
[10:48] <Desh> I tried deleting all the files mentioned but still nothing.
[10:49] <accumulator> kosh: or, do you have a static address definition in /etc/network/interfaces?
[10:49] <intelikey> __osh___ i'm tired of arguing about it.   wasn't the GUI a reinvention of the wheel in the same sense,    i don't like a lot of "default" things about *ubuntu.   the installer   the default usage of sudo  and a host of other things i could complain about.    but  klogd and syslogd are both running  they don't need dd to help them...   i'll say no more about it.
[10:50] <RawSewage> so... computer runs faster with COmpiz, right
[10:50] <RawSewage> it runs faster with XGL/Compiz, because graphics card is taking over some of the CPU load
[10:50] <RawSewage> correct?
[10:50] <accumulator> RawSewage: not eniterly true
[10:50] <kosh> accumulator: on this box I have a static address defition for eth0 and lo is always static
[10:50] <Desh> Yay, I solved it, Yay for Google!
[10:51] <kosh> accumulator: on other boxes I have eth0 as dhcp but lo is still static
[10:51] <RawSewage> accumulator, sort of true?
[10:51] <D4m4ge> Desh what was the problem?
[10:51] <__osh___> Desh: Perhaps sudo aptitude purge-unused xorg-driver-fglrx
[10:51] <D4m4ge> i mean how did you solve it?
[10:51] <Desh> fglrx wouldn't uninstall.
[10:51] <accumulator> kosh: ok mine disappeared somehow
[10:51] <Desh> Oh, umm I ran some commands I found in a forum
[10:51] <D4m4ge> ok
[10:51] <Desh> That got rid of the link
[10:51] <Desh> I hate fglrx, it never works.
[10:51] <accumulator> kosh: prob my fault, since /usr was running full and I was smart/stupid to put noexec mount option on /tmp, maybe that's the reason
[10:52] <D4m4ge> Desh :)
[10:52] <Desh> And the normal ati driver used to work but now it went :(
[10:52] <accumulator> RawSewage: especially XV video output is slower
[10:52] <Desh> Somehow the open source driver game my mobility 9700 3d in some things like tuxracer.
[10:52] <RawSewage> accumulator, thats true.  I get jerky video playback in fullscreen mode
[10:52] <intelikey> accumulator noexec on /tmp ?
[10:52] <__osh___> intelikey: Agreed. I've got a few pet peevs about unix/linux too. I hadn't noticed the use of dd in that sense. Do what I do. File a feature request about it in launchpad.net.
[10:52] <accumulator> Desh: I try to stick with the 8.24 driver.. that worked for me
[10:53] <accumulator> Desh: 8.26 gives me lots of problems
[10:53] <Desh> Uh oh...I deleted libGl.so.1...
[10:53] <Desh> >_<!
[10:53] <Desh> None have ever worked for me, accumulator
[10:53] <accumulator> intelikey: yeah I use LVM to mount /tmp /usr /var /opt on separate partitions
[10:54] <phatechen> hi
[10:54] <phatechen> how to format a hdd?
[10:54] <Gioacchino> how to exit the cd from the cd rider ?
[10:54] <accumulator> Desh: the open ati driver gives good 2d performance, if you can live without 3d
[10:54] <Gioacchino> !cd
[10:54] <ubotu> I know nothing about cd
[10:54] <Desh> How could I get libGL.so.1? I deleted it by accident. :)
[10:55] <Desh> I may have a backup, I dunno if it's the right version, I'd rather get it from an install..
[10:55] <RawSewage> accumulator, but video playback aside, is there some truth in what I said?
[10:55] <accumulator> intelikey: but dpkg seems to run scripts from /tmp
[10:55] <intelikey> accumulator yeah that's not the point.   i was wondering if you thought it would be a security enhancement to dis-allow executables in /tmp      maybe nosuid /tmp   ???
[10:55] <Desh> accumulator: the open source oe used to give me 3d for penguin racer and ever starsiege tribes thru wine, but then it stopped.
[10:55] <abattoir> Gioacchino: cd from cd rider? try 'eject'
[10:56] <accumulator> RawSewage: I'm no expert, but there are some discussions on that. Right now it is slower, because all windows need to be converted to a texture before rendering
[10:56] <accumulator> RawSewage: there's no GL_texture_from_pixmap driver call yet
[10:56] <RawSewage> accumulator, hm... it seemed faster to me
[10:57] <accumulator> RawSewage: once that is implemented (and XV can render directly to a GL context) it will probably be faster
[10:57] <Gioacchino> abattoir:  eject form the rider or form the icon ???  i had try from rider but it not exit and from the icon is only umount
[10:57] <accumulator> RawSewage: but that's all driver issues
[10:57] <Desh> If I am using Xorg, why would glxgears tell me this: Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[10:58] <abattoir> Gioacchino: try unmount, then press the button on the writer... else Alt+f2->eject
[10:58] <Gioacchino> abattoir:  thnacks
[10:58] <Desh> :(
[10:58] <abattoir> Gioacchino: np :)
[10:58] <intelikey> well i think i'll start the long process of customizing this installation...
[10:58] <accumulator> Desh: DRI fails when your driver fails to load
[10:59] <Desh> accumulator: Why would my driver fail to load? I set it up to use the open source ati driver.
[10:59] <Gioacchino> exist activeX for linux ??
[10:59] <accumulator> Desh: the open source ati driver has no 3d and no DRI
[11:00] <Desh> accumulator: Odd, it used to run penguin racer for me, what about the vesa or radeo driver, those any good?
[11:00] <Desh> *radeon
[11:00] <accumulator> Desh: you can use software rendering with Mesa, then DRI should not be used
[11:00] <Gioacchino> because I have a software for windws( I use wine ) when I open it it tell me install activeX for mozilla firefox
[11:00] <Desh> accumulator: How would I do this?
[11:01] <accumulator> Desh: try googling for a howto
[11:01] <Gioacchino> without activeX multple function of the program dont work
[11:01] <Nickay> hi
[11:01] <Gioacchino> !activeX
[11:01] <ubotu> I know nothing about activeX - try searching bots.ubuntulinux.nl, help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:01] <Desh> Gioacchino: You can install activeX on Linux thru Wine
[11:01] <accumulator> gtg
[11:01] <Desh> Gioacchino: One of my apps did it
[11:02] <Desh> accumulator: later, anf thanks
[11:02] <Desh> [a] ccumulator: later, anf thanks
[11:02] <Desh> *and
[11:03] <Gioacchino> I had found this http://linas.org/linux/corba.html
[11:04] <Gioacchino> I am italian and I dont spek english good
[11:04] <Nickay> i have install ubuntu and i want to ask if i can install KDE enviroment or i must install Kubuntu?
[11:04] <Gioacchino> you can install kde
[11:04] <Gioacchino> Nickay: you have synaptic ?
[11:05] <abattoir> Nickay: you can install KDE by installing the kubuntu-desktop meta package
[11:05] <abattoir> !info kubuntu-desktop
[11:05] <ubotu> kubuntu-desktop: Kubuntu desktop system. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.85 (dapper), package size 11 kB, installed size 40 kB
[11:06] <Nickay> abattoir is that the command?
[11:06] <abattoir> Nickay: no, the command would be 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop'
[11:06] <Nickay> i see
[11:06] <Nickay> ok
[11:06] <abattoir> Nickay: you can also install it through your package manager
[11:06] <abattoir> i guess synaptic
[11:13] <GoAhead> i just instaled kubuntu, and seens like sound card is not correctly installed
[11:13] <GoAhead> is there some general workaround for this?
[11:13] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ping for help with GoAhead's sound problem
[11:14] <RawSewage> http://blog.outer-court.com/archive/2006-07-10-n48.html
[11:14] <crimsun> GoAhead: hi.
[11:15] <crimsun> GoAhead: what sound card is it?
[11:15] <GoAhead> hey
[11:15] <GoAhead> i don't really know, what command can i use to get the information?
[11:15] <crimsun> depends how old the computer is
[11:16] <GoAhead> is a new laptop
[11:16] <crimsun> ok, then ``lspci -v |grep -i Audio''
[11:17] <GoAhead> 0000:00:14.5 Multimedia audio controller: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB400 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 80)
[11:17] <crimsun> ok, now ``lsmod |grep ^snd_atiixp''
[11:18] <GoAhead> pofis@pofis-laptop:~$ lsmod |grep ^snd_atiixp
[11:18] <GoAhead> snd_atiixp_modem       17640  1
[11:18] <GoAhead> snd_atiixp             21324  1
[11:18] <crimsun> ok, now ``cat /proc/asound/modules''
[11:18] <GoAhead> pofis@pofis-laptop:~$ cat /proc/asound/modules
[11:18] <GoAhead> 0 snd_atiixp
[11:18] <GoAhead> 1 snd_atiixp_modem
[11:19] <crimsun> good.
[11:19] <crimsun> now, please paste the output from ``amixer -c0'' onto http://pastebin.ca
[11:19] <fre1> what about the volume level ? :)
[11:19] <crimsun> fre1: we're getting there.
[11:19] <fre1> ok :)
[11:20] <crimsun> GoAhead: after you've pastebinned it, please tell us the URL
[11:20] <GoAhead> http://pastebin.ca/85922
[11:20] <GoAhead> there you go
[11:22] <crimsun> ok, is this a laptop?
[11:22] <crimsun> err
[11:22] <crimsun> you already answered that
[11:22] <GoAhead> yes
[11:22] <crimsun> ok, first thing to try is ``amixer set "External Amplifier" off''
[11:22] <crimsun> after that, try playing music
[11:24] <GoAhead> i tryed and youtube video , still no sound
[11:24] <GoAhead> do you want the output of de last command?
[11:24] <GoAhead> *an youtube video
[11:26] <crimsun> GoAhead: no, just try ``aplay /usr/share/sounds/KDE*up.wav'' to test audio
[11:27] <flaccid_> yay default sources have joe
[11:27] <flaccid_> i love joe
[11:27] <crimsun> Flash is a horrible test case, because it doesn't actually point to whether audio is audible by default
[11:27] <GoAhead> pofis@pofis-laptop:~$ aplay /usr/share/sounds/KDE*up.wav
[11:27] <GoAhead> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:819:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[11:27] <GoAhead> aplay: main:544: audio open error: Device or resource busy
[11:27] <flaccid> best test case is kcontrol
[11:27] <intelikey> joe's own editor
[11:28] <crimsun> GoAhead: did you create your own /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc* ?
[11:28] <flaccid> go joe
[11:28] <intelikey> recursive acranymns
[11:28] <flaccid> yeah the asoundrc will fix/help problems
[11:28] <ubuntu___> hallo
[11:28] <flaccid> depends on the duplex of your card too
[11:28] <GoAhead> crimsun yes i dit created /etc/asound.conf
[11:28] <Nickay> What about Kubuntu and Linmodems? is there more compatibility with this kind of modems from the other linux distributions?
[11:28] <GoAhead> following a FAQ
[11:28] <crimsun> GoAhead: please move it out of the wa.
[11:29] <crimsun> way ^
[11:29] <GoAhead> remove it?
[11:29] <crimsun> or mv /etc/asound.conf /etc/asound.conf.orig
[11:29] <GoAhead> done
[11:29] <GoAhead> still get the same output
[11:29] <GoAhead> pofis@pofis-laptop:~$ aplay /usr/share/sounds/KDE*up.wav
[11:29] <GoAhead> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:819:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[11:29] <GoAhead> aplay: main:544: audio open error: Device or resource busy
[11:29] <crimsun> GoAhead: right, need ``lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/snd/*''
[11:29] <flaccid> restart alsa
[11:30] <crimsun> GoAhead: use pastebin, please, not here
[11:30] <GoAhead> http://pastebin.ca/85928
[11:30] <alfatau> hello, i just installed a fresh dapper, and my desktop is completely empty. How to add there my homedir icon and remote places icon?
[11:31] <crimsun> GoAhead: please close Firefox
[11:31] <GoAhead> done
[11:31] <sysrpl> heloo
[11:31] <flaccid> alfatau: right click on desktop and goto configure desktop
[11:31] <crimsun> GoAhead: now try aplay again
[11:32] <GoAhead> http://pastebin.ca/85930
[11:33] <wohrm> i got a weird problem with internet connection, im installing kubuntu on my cousins computer and internet connection works on the livecd, but not in the system
[11:33] <alfatau> flaccid: well, i did. but what have i to choose? i'm a newbie
[11:33] <wohrm> however, if my cousin sticks a pen into the reset hole in the modem&router box it works for one minute and then stops working
[11:33] <crimsun> GoAhead: doesn't the Audio/Video control in System Settings have a test?
[11:33] <crimsun> GoAhead: or in kcontrol (I don't have access to a KDE install atm)
[11:34] <intelikey> system settings ???
[11:34] <wohrm> the livecd environment and the kubuntu system seem to be completely set up the same (due to the little box using DHCP)
[11:34] <flaccid> alfatau: goto behaviour - file / device icons and show what you want there. anything you can't show auto, right click and create a link to application
[11:34] <wohrm> the IP address that the box gave the machine is weird, tho. its 62.143.52.xxx
[11:34] <GoAhead> crimsun: yes it does, "Test Sound", "Test MIDI" both have no sound
[11:35] <flaccid> yeah you need to get the test sound thing to work
[11:35] <crimsun> GoAhead: is this with 'External Amplifier' muted (off) or unmuted (on)?
[11:36] <flaccid> yeah that external amp muted can be a biatch!!
[11:36] <flaccid> always gets me
[11:36] <GoAhead> i think is muted because of that command you said
[11:36] <sysrpl> can i get  some help? my gnome desktop crash and i can;t get back into it
[11:36] <crimsun> flaccid: some codecs need it to be muted, others don't
[11:36] <crimsun> GoAhead: ok, please unmute it then.
[11:37] <crimsun> (``amixer set "External Amplifier" on'')
[11:37] <sysrpl> the gnome taskbar blinks and it dumps back out to the xlogin screen when i attempt to load gnome
[11:37] <flaccid> are you serious
[11:37] <flaccid> thats crazy
[11:37] <GoAhead> crimsun done, still no sound :s
[11:37] <sysrpl> the problem started when i was in the gnome theme applet
[11:37] <crimsun> GoAhead: np
[11:37] <crimsun> flaccid: yes. You wouldn't believe the hacks I've had to put in.
[11:38] <sysrpl> so i can't get back into gnome at all anymore
[11:38] <flaccid> crazy
[11:39] <AV1611> hello, boys. can anybody consult me of Matrox G400/450/550 x-window  setup issues, please....
[11:39] <alfatau> flaccid: ok thanks, but file/device behaviour settings don't seem the dektop's current showed icons...
[11:39] <crimsun> GoAhead: ``amixer set "Master Surround" 80%,on && amixer set "Surround" 80%,on && amixer set "Center" on && amixer set "LFE" on && amixer set "Spread Front to Surround and Center/LFE" on
[11:40] <intelikey> sysrpl in your home/dir you could rm .gnome* -r      you loose custom settings, but you can redo that.    and i DO NOT promice that it will fix it.   you man have something else like .gconf  messed  or .session  even    but it's worth a try
[11:41] <Gioacchino> how to enable ASCII code on kubuntu ? ( alt+126  ecc ecc ... )
[11:41] <GoAhead> crimsun still no luck, maybe i should restart?
[11:41] <intelikey> s/man/may/
[11:41] <sysrpl> intelikey: does the .gconf store my current theme?
[11:42] <sysrpl> becasue it crahed when i selected crux
[11:42] <intelikey> sysrpl i don't know exactly where in your home that info is stored.  i "think"  .gnome2/something
[11:43] <crimsun> GoAhead: no, sec, I'm kinda busy atm
[11:43] <sysrpl> if i did rm -rf .gnom* would that totally hose everything?
[11:43] <GoAhead> crimsun: allright take your time
[11:43] <crimsun> GoAhead: ok, now ``amixer set "Exchange Front/Surround" on''
[11:43] <intelikey> sysrpl that would totally hose "nothing"
[11:43] <Gioacchino> how to enable ASCII code on kubuntu ? ( alt+126  ecc ecc ... )
[11:43] <sysrpl> like delete the directories as well
[11:43] <sysrpl> okay
[11:44] <GoAhead> crimsun: still no luck
[11:45] <crimsun> GoAhead: are you sure kmix hasn't zeroed/muted something in software?
[11:45] <intelikey> sysrpl it's drastic/last ditch   i know but one could  rm -r /home/username ;mkdir /home/username ;chown username /home/username      and it will fix it.   that's a full reset to default, install setting.
[11:46] <crimsun> GoAhead: also, please confirm that you're using the latest kernel, 2.6.15-26.44
[11:46] <sysrpl> thanks :p
[11:47] <intelikey> sysrpl i don't sujest ^ that one.  but it will work.    next best thing to a reload.
[11:47] <sysrpl> well i am gonna try gnome now
[11:47] <sysrpl> hopefully cya in a second under gnome :p
[11:47] <GoAhead> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/i17815 and i'm using 2.6.15-25-686
[11:48] <intelikey> sysrpl you can apt-get install mc    and run mc = midnight commander    file manager for the console   helps fix things like that.  you can see what you are doing.
[11:48] <fraser> lo lo
[11:49] <fraser> anyone had any experience with the follow wifi problem "ndiswrapper (miniport_init:262): couldn't initialize device: C0000001" ?
[11:49] <intelikey> guess i was late on that one.
[11:49] <crimsun> GoAhead: I can't read that
[11:49] <^Twist> You have a bot, right? Ubotu?
[11:50] <GoAhead> crimsun: can't read what?
[11:50] <intelikey> !ubotu
[11:50] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[11:50] <^Twist> Ah nice
[11:50] <^Twist> I'm developing a bot too :D
[11:50] <crimsun> GoAhead: the URL you gave me
[11:52] <Desh> How do I unmount an iso I mounted to a directory? (ie, /media/iso/
[11:52] <Desh> )
[11:52] <^Twist> umount /dir/to/it
[11:52] <intelikey> umount dir
[11:52] <Desh> K thanks.
[11:53] <intelikey> alternatively eject file.iso
[11:53] <intelikey> ejecting files is cool
[11:53] <crimsun> GoAhead: what was it, an image?
[11:53] <crimsun> GoAhead: please use ``amixer set "Headphone Jack Sense" on''
[11:53] <GoAhead> yes
[11:53] <Desh> :) Man linux makes me feel cool.
[11:53] <z00m> quick question, how do i find out my kernel version
[11:53] <Desh> uname -r
[11:53] <GoAhead> a screenshot of kmix
[11:53] <z00m> thanks
[11:54] <crimsun> GoAhead: (I'm in an ssh session currently)
[11:54] <Desh> np
[11:54] <Desh> How can I do cool stuff like surf the internet from a command line login?
[11:54] <Desh> That would be cool.
[11:54] <intelikey> ls /boot  ;uname -a      heheh
[11:54] <abattoir> Desh: lynx
[11:54] <abattoir> !info lynx
[11:54] <ubotu> lynx: Text-mode WWW Browser. In repository main, is optional. Version 2.8.5-2ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 1074 kB, installed size 4552 kB
[11:55] <Desh> :-O!
[11:55] <intelikey> Desh links2  for the console  add -g  for the gui
[11:55] <MuJ> elinks is so much better these days
[11:56] <intelikey> does elinks do pictures ?
[11:56] <MuJ> dunno.. I don't use it to watch pictures :)
[11:57] <intelikey> links2 does   just wondered if elinks did
[11:57] <Desh> :( I wish I could do video editing on Leenux.
[11:57] <GoAhead> crimsun: still doesn't work, here is the sceen http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot12gr.png
[11:57] <z00m> im just installing my GFX card i have the linux-restricted-modules-mykernelversion-amd64-generic installed, do i just need to install the nividia-glx now ?
[11:57] <crimsun> GoAhead: I can't view pictures (a text-only session)
[11:57] <Desh> Is there a way to make a minimal XP install, just to run a few apps?
[11:58] <crimsun> GoAhead: let's try blacklisting snd-atiixp-modem
[11:59] <GoAhead> crimsun: ok, how?
[11:59] <crimsun> GoAhead: please edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-modem and uncomment the second line
[11:59] <crimsun> GoAhead: then, reboot
[11:59] <intelikey> Desh cli apps you might like  links2/elinks/lynx/w3m are cli web browsers   mc is a file manager   vlc is a multimedia app that can do full screen movies in console mode as well as audio formats    if you were serious about the question.
[12:00] <Desh> :-O!
[12:00] <Desh> Wow that is crazy, thanks.
[12:01] <GoAhead> crimsun: ok, brb
[12:01] <intelikey> yeah,  i hardly ever start a gui anymore  :)
[12:01] <Desh> intelikey, damn, that is amazing, I will try those out, thanks a bunch, now if only I could get 3d and my smart card reader working, aha.
[12:02] <intelikey> oh and bitchx/irssi/xchat-text  are all cli irc clients.
[12:02] <omeow> Who here has never used ktorrent before and would like to help me with something? (I'm doing a little research.)
[12:02] <z00m> ive never used it
[12:02] <z00m> :P
[12:03] <Desh> bitchx - haha. Should I get all of them?
[12:03] <intelikey> find what you like.
[12:03] <Desh> Like, I'm guessing they don't take up much space, and that way I can play around with them and se what I like.
[12:03] <omeow> z00m: Would you mind helping me with something then? :)
[12:04] <z00m> what help could i give if i have never used it .. lol
[12:04] <omeow> Without starting the program and hovering your cursor over the icons to read the tooltips, can you tell me what the icons in the toolbar do?
[12:04] <omeow> http://omeow.ath.cx/ktorrent.png
[12:04] <z00m> ok one sec
[12:04] <omeow> Just tell me what you think the icons do.
[12:04] <z00m> at the top right ?
[12:05] <intelikey> Desh also  apt-cache search <blah>     apt-get install <blah>     or  aptitude    but i don't like aptitude much
[12:05] <z00m> at the top
[12:05] <omeow> Top left.
[12:05] <z00m> ok first icon i would say makes a new torrent
[12:05] <intelikey> Desh and yes to that question   most cli apps are light compared to their gui cusens.
[12:05] <Desh> HOLY S**T!! I can see google with w3m!
[12:05] <z00m> second icon i would say opens a torrent file
[12:06] <Desh> intelikey, oh yea I know about apt-get, and i prefer to use sudo kwrite over the GUI Actions->Edit as root
[12:06] <z00m> omeow
[12:06] <omeow> Yes?
[12:06] <z00m> i need to rester my nick so i cant send IM's
[12:06] <z00m> :(
[12:07] <omeow> Ah ok.
[12:07] <omeow> Continue then. :)
[12:07] <z00m> ill put your name on each one i send so it stands out
[12:07] <omeow> (type it in a comma seperated list, it's easier to process the data then)
[12:07] <Desh> intelikey, would w3m run fine under the Konsole? B/c I can;t figure out how to type a search term in google.
[12:08] <z00m> omeow: 3rd icon, errm   it looks like a paste button could it be used to paste an tracker url or something
[12:08] <intelikey> Desh yeah it should.   but try links2 -g
[12:08] <Desh> WHat's that?
[12:09] <z00m> omeow: 4th looks like a button to start the torrent downloading again after you have stoped it
[12:09] <Desh> xchat-text is not found. I got bitchx and irssi was already installed
[12:09] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install links2 && links2 -g google.com/linux
[12:09] <z00m> omeow: 5th looks like a button to stop the selected torrent from downloading
[12:10] <Desh> Oh I see what you mean.
[12:10] <GoAhead> crimsun: still no sound, but got some improvements
[12:10] <intelikey> z00m ah  turn off swap and see what dies ?   lol
[12:10] <GoAhead> crimsun: aplay isn't returning error anymore
[12:10] <intelikey> z00m seriously the kernel is what is using swap
[12:11] <z00m> omeow: 6th looks like a button to delete the selected torrent from the list
[12:11] <intelikey> z00m top can show memory usage iirc.     ksysguard
[12:11] <z00m> intelikey: what you on about mate ?? lol
[12:12] <Desh> intelikey, how do I exit from these apps?
[12:12] <intelikey> Desh on most hit    Q
[12:12] <intelikey> on some hit    [esc] 
[12:12] <Desh> K, thanks.
[12:12] <omeow> And the last there, z00m? :)
[12:12] <intelikey> Desh on the irc clients   /exit
[12:12] <intelikey> or   /quit
[12:13] <intelikey> like this
[12:13] <z00m> omeow: not sure of the 7th one
[12:13] <z00m> omeow: looks like a pay and a small play
[12:13] <z00m> play^
[12:13] <Desh> Hmmm...
[12:13] <omeow> Give it some thought. :)
[12:13] <Desh> Now to edit servers...
[12:13] <Desh> bitchx rocks.
[12:13] <z00m> omeow: ok
[12:13] <RawSewage> hehe Kubuntu is fun   
[12:14] <flaccid> this may seem like a silly question, but i installed apache and changed the DocumentRoot, but it didn't work
[12:14] <flaccid> i set it to /var/www/html, but its using /var/www and there wasn't actually a DocumentRoot directive in the apache2.conf
[12:14] <z00m> omeow: does it start all torrents download if stopped
[12:14] <z00m> downloading^
[12:15] <crimsun> GoAhead: ok
[12:15] <omeow> Ok z00m, last two? :)
[12:15] <z00m> omeow: yes it does because there is a stop button with the same little stop button also
[12:15] <Desh> Oh man, I love the comments in linux files.
[12:16] <z00m> omeow: ok next one stops all torrents from downloading
[12:16] <Desh> How do I join a different server in bitchX or irssi?
[12:16] <z00m> omeow: and the last one with QM is it in the letters, does that mean quick message ?
[12:17] <omeow> No, it's queue manager.
[12:17] <omeow> Thanks for helping.
[12:17] <z00m> hahaha
[12:17] <z00m> how many did i get right
[12:17] <omeow> 8/9
[12:17] <Desh> How do I close w3m? I figured out bitchx is with /quit
[12:18] <z00m> yay, thats good then
[12:18] <omeow> I'm supprised you managed to get the stop all one right, most people think it's minimize/maximize.
[12:18] <z00m> omeow: because of the big sqaure and the little one
[12:19] <omeow> Hmhm.
[12:19] <z00m> omeow: did you make the software / application ?
[12:20] <z00m> omeow: the stop button could have a sqaure then little text under it saying all
[12:20] <z00m> same with play
[12:20] <crimsun> GoAhead: please file a bug on malone for it, I'll look later today; have to get ready for work now.
[12:21] <timonator> im going to repeat my question now. i got some weird ish (german(?) ISP) router+modem thing and it works fine in the livecd. in the installed system you have to stick a pen into the reset button hole in order to be able to use the internet for a few seconds, then it doesnt work any more
[12:22] <z00m> brb got to restart X
[12:22] <GoAhead> crimsun: ok, thanks for everything
[12:22] <fries> Oh snap!
[12:22] <fries> Intelikey, you still here?
[12:23] <grizzly> Any way to select and copy text with the keyboard in console
[12:23] <fries> Grizzly, right click
[12:23] <grizzly> with the keyboard
[12:23] <fries> Use the left button to select and right click and hit copy.
[12:23] <timonator> if you use GNU screen
[12:23] <fries> Keyboard I have no clue.
[12:23] <fries> I should learn.
[12:24] <grizzly> so is it possible iwth the keyboard?
[12:24] <fries> What is an IM service that I can run in CLI?
[12:25] <flaccid> thats a good question, wonder if one exists, tried google?
[12:41] <Desh> intelikey here?
[12:42] <Desh> This is the coolest thing ever.
[12:42] <Desh> Has anyone here used vlc in CLI?
[12:44] <heinrich> hi all
[12:45] <heinrich> my diskspace is quite full
[12:45] <heinrich> i do not know what i can trow away
[12:45] <timonator> :)
[12:45] <timonator> throw away /tmp and /var/tmp
[12:46] <heinrich> simply delete?
[12:46] <MuJ> rm -rf /pr0n ;)
[12:46] <timonator> delete the content
[12:46] <heinrich> is there a comand that show me the free diskspace?
[12:46] <timonator> MuJ: nah, rm -rf ~/downloads/videos/p0rn/
[12:46] <timonator> try df and df -h
[12:46] <hastesaver> heinrich, do "df -h" to see which partitions are taking up the most space. And in your home directory, do "du -ks * .[^.] * | sort -n" to see which are the culprits
[12:47] <KDEfanboy_> heinrich: filelight is really good GUI for that imo
[12:47] <heinrich> you think my jenna jameson collection takes too much space? <just joking>
[12:47] <hastesaver> heinrich, there's a GUI package is baobab , though I've never used it
[12:47] <heinrich> thx i will try what you said
[12:50] <heinrich> what menas rm -rf?
[12:50] <heinrich> means
[12:50] <flaccid> recursive, force
[12:50] <timonator> remove recursively without asking
[12:50] <timonator> bbl
[12:50] <flaccid> it can be evil if accidental..
[12:52] <heinrich> and if i want to remove the content of tmp?
[12:52] <heinrich>  rm -rf /tmp
[12:52] <heinrich> ?
[12:52] <hastesaver> heinrich, yes. But make sure you type exactly that --  there is no space between the "/" and the "tmp", for example :)
[12:55] <omeow> z00m: One more question, do you know what a torrent is and have you ever used a different torrent client before?
[01:02] <heinrich> i have 92% of diskspace used
[01:05] <heinrich> how can i optimize my system?
[01:06] <insanekane> heinrich: delete some files ?
[01:06] <heinrich> yes, but wich ones?
[01:07] <heinrich> i deleted /tmp and /var/tmp
[01:07] <heinrich> what else?
[01:13] <ubuntu_> Greetings to the room
[01:14] <berkes> I cannot find the right tools for managing my wifi in an easy way. Right now I have some shell scripts that I run as sudo,
[01:14] <berkes> but there /must/ be some way to automate this better, not?
[01:15] <heinrich> thx bye
[01:15] <berkes> kwifimanager is not really what I am looking for, unless I miss an obvious point in that tool.
[01:15] <flaccid> i'd love to hear about a generic gui for wi fi
[01:15] <x_> help
[01:15] <berkes> I counted my clicks and it requires 12! clicks in order to switch to a (known and preconfigured) wifi net
[01:16] <flaccid> clicks?
[01:16] <berkes> flaccid: yes. clicking on buttons and stuff
[01:16] <timonator> flaccid: with the mouse and stuff
[01:16] <timonator> and stuff \o/
[01:16] <flaccid> fair enough
[01:16] <flaccid> like i said i'd love to hear about a generic wi fi manager...
[01:17] <berkes> cool a rhime: fair enough. and stuff.
[01:17] <timonator> i am really desperate now, on the livecd i get internet connection without a problem. in the installation i can only use the internet during a short period after i push the reset button in the back of the modem and waiting for a few seconds
[01:19] <arseniq> hi, how can i share a folder with win workgroup_?
[01:19] <berkes> so, general conclusion: KDE/kubuntu has no tool for managing wifi nets/connections other then the config thing kwifimanager?
[01:21] <flaccid> berkes: i think thats linux in general, not kde/ubuntu
[01:22] <berkes> flaccid: ubuntu (gnome) has nice and friendly tools.
[01:22] <flaccid> so does kde
[01:23] <flaccid> does gnome have a wi-fi manager?
[01:23] <berkes> flaccid: that is the question: wich one.
[01:23] <fries> Why is it that when I am in CLI login every few minutes the splash login comes up again?
[01:24] <flaccid> if gnome has a wi-fi manager, it might work in kde.
[01:25] <berkes> flaccid: yea. mebby. Thing is, that if i want to install it trough adept, it comes with the full ubuntu crap. Its not an options to install like 200Megs just to have one tool :)
[01:25] <kuzmaster> hey everyone
[01:26] <grizzly> about the virtual desktop, how can I switch it off, which package is it, and can it be replaced?
[01:26] <flaccid> berkes: so what is the name of this wi-fi manageR?
[01:26] <fries> Berkes, use the Konsole, it's cool.
[01:26] <berkes> fries: [13:13]  <berkes> I cannot find the right tools for managing my wifi in an easy way. Right now I have some shell scripts that I run as sudo,
[01:27] <fries> sudo iwconfig wlan0 blah blah blah?
[01:27] <berkes> as in ^^ I use the console. But hell, there must be a way to not have to remember all these command parameters!
[01:27] <fries> berkes: what's wrong with those? you can press up to see all your past inputs.
[01:27] <flaccid> so gnome doesn't have a wi-fi manager
[01:27] <fries> berkes: plus, what's cooler than command line?
[01:27] <fries> flaccid: of course it does
[01:28] <berkes> sudo iwconfig eth0 .... && sudo killall dhclient3 && sudo dhclient3 eth0
[01:28] <berkes> fries: why do you use KDE?
[01:28] <fries> berkes: why would you kill em?
[01:28] <flaccid> right, i have no idea what berkes is going on about if hes just using commands
[01:28] <kuzmaster> when i try to install the vmware workstation, it says this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17818 . i have uninstalled all the vmware things in adept, and when i run the perl script, its still saying that vmware player is installed
[01:28] <fries> berkes: I am in command line right now.
[01:28] <berkes> because I fucking want this to be easy.
[01:29] <fries> berkes, anyways, try k wifi manager or something of that name, look for it in adept
[01:29] <flaccid> well until someone can show me a wi-fi manager, i don't see an option
[01:29] <kuzmaster> !tell berkes about launguage
[01:29] <ubotu> I know nothing about launguage - try searching bots.ubuntulinux.nl, help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com
[01:29] <flaccid> kwifimanager, does not connect you to access points
[01:29] <kuzmaster> when i try to install the vmware workstation, it says this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17818 . i have uninstalled all the vmware things in adept, and when i run the perl script, its still saying that vmware player is installed
[01:29] <fries> Bleh I have one but I'd have to boot into KDE...
[01:29] <berkes> fries: that, as said above, is not friendly. It needs 12 clicks to reconnect me to another network!
[01:29] <kuzmaster> can somone please help me
[01:30] <berkes> and most of the time in addition, it requires me to change some stuff on the CLI anyway.
[01:30] <kuzmaster> anyone, PLEASE!!!!!
[01:30] <flaccid> stop shouting
[01:30] <timonator> kuzmaster: i am as desperate as you
[01:30] <timonator> but also
[01:30] <wily> tell your problem
[01:30] <fries> I have sensitive ears
[01:30] <timonator> im going to die
[01:31] <fries> timonator, why?
[01:31] <berkes> why is it that everytime when you ask a question in an OSS community about "foo" all answers start with "dont use foo, use bar. Its better".
[01:31] <timonator> fries: hold on
[01:31] <timonator> [11:17]  <timonator> i am really desperate now, on the livecd i get internet connection without a problem. in the installation i can only use the internet during a short period after i push the reset button in the back of the modem and waiting for a few seconds
[01:31] <fries> foo is cool cos it sounds like fool
[01:31] <fries> timinator, don't press reset?
[01:31] <SAD_gIrLz> x
[01:31] <timonator> fries: reset is the only thing that makes it work
[01:32] <timonator> (for a couple of seconds)
[01:32] <kuzmaster> timonator, dial-up or broadband?
[01:32] <timonator> i think its some kind of broadband
[01:32] <timonator> i dont really know what the fuck ish is
[01:32] <fries> -_-
[01:32] <fries> Is it wireless?
[01:32] <timonator> probably some DSL thing
[01:32] <timonator> nope, with cable
[01:32] <fries> <_<
[01:33] <timonator> the modem is not connected to the phone thingy
[01:33] <timonator> ...
[01:33] <fries> Is the cable fatter than a phone cable?
[01:33] <timonator> i think so
[01:33] <fries> Then it's probably broadband.
[01:33] <timonator> thew connectzor is round
[01:33] <fries> &
[01:33] <timonator> and i cant type
[01:34] <fries> ROund?
[01:34] <fries> o_O
[01:34] <timonator> yep
[01:34] <timonator> round
[01:34] <timonator> like
[01:34] <flaccid> sounds like cable/optic
[01:34] <timonator> a circle
[01:34] <timonator> flaccid: possible
[01:34] <fries> ------------> <------------
[01:34] <kuzmaster> flaccid, let me quote "[21:32]  <timonator> nope, with cable"
[01:35] <fries> &naim
[01:35] <fries> :(
[01:35] <fries> ~&naim
[01:35] <flaccid> so, timonator has no idea, your point, kuzmaster?
[01:35] <kuzmaster> nm
[01:35] <kuzmaster> dw
[01:35] <kuzmaster> feal great
[01:35] <fries> *feel
[01:36] <RawSewage> what language is this:   
[01:36] <timonator> it cant be that it works with the livecd and not with the syystem
[01:36] <timonator> what the fuck?
[01:36] <RawSewage> Native American?
[01:37] <flaccid> thats like saying this car can do this, but this one can't, wtf not?
[01:37] <robotgeek> please respect the coc, timonator
[01:37] <timonator> robotgeek: whats
[01:37] <timonator> coc?
[01:37] <Riddell> timonator: nuff bad language
[01:37] <Desh> What command d/c's you from a WLAN? sudo kill dhclient wlan0 (or eth1, etc)
[01:37] <robotgeek> !cpc
[01:37] <ubotu> I know nothing about cpc - try searching bots.ubuntulinux.nl, help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com
[01:37] <flaccid> coc?
[01:37] <RawSewage> Code of Conduct
[01:37] <robotgeek> !coc
[01:37] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[01:38] <arejensen> RawSewage: I recognize most of them as norse runes.
[01:38] <flaccid> iwconfig eth1 ap none
[01:38] <Desh> flaccid, sweet thanks.
[01:38] <RawSewage> arejensen, cool
[01:38] <robotgeek> Desh: ifconfig wlan0 down also works
[01:38] <Desh> And after that I can use iwconfig and essid and what not?
[01:39] <flaccid> Desh: i suggest you RTFM on iwconfig
[01:39] <Desh> read the f'ing manual? :-O
[01:39] <berkes> fwiw: this is the gnome tool: https://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=146854
[01:39] <flaccid> iwconfig and ifconfig are differet 'layers'
[01:39] <Desh> flaccid: I have the manual, but I can;t read it right now. :( I dunno how to use more than one app at a time in CLI.
[01:39] <berkes> its like actually user friendly :)
[01:39] <flaccid> so there is a gnome tool now , hmm
[01:39] <robotgeek> flaccid: please be helpful
[01:40] <flaccid> i am being help err
[01:40] <robotgeek> Desh: just try using knetworkmanager
[01:40] <robotgeek> flaccid: rtfm does not really help
[01:40] <arejensen> RawSewage: There are several versions of the norse alphabet, so the characters I don't recognize probably comes from another dialect that I don't know of.
[01:40] <RawSewage> arejensen, It will come in handy if I have to read some magic scrolls
[01:40] <flaccid> robotgeek: it helped me when i need to know
[01:40] <Desh> robotgeek: I am trying to learn how to do basically everything in CLI. :)
[01:41] <flaccid> man is your friend
[01:41] <berkes> knetworkmanager is meant for backend configuration of your networ.
[01:41] <berkes> the problem with wifi nets is that often you connect to a net for a few mins only (trainstation) and having to go trough all the screens and config stuff,
[01:41] <h3sp4wn>  Desh: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes - Is very easy to understand (if you don't wish to use networkmanager)
[01:41] <robotgeek> flaccid: if he could rtfm, he would proobably not be here for help. man is my friend too :)
[01:41] <berkes> just to change to the net on that trainstation is not a real option
[01:42] <flaccid> we assume people can't read the manual?
[01:42] <Desh> Guys, who cares?
[01:42] <robotgeek> flaccid: that is the assumption. heh
[01:42] <Desh> :) Don't argue, we are all friends. :)
[01:42] <flaccid> i agree Desh
[01:43] <berkes> and man iwconfig requires intimate knowlegde of linux networking backends and theory. absolutely not an option for Joe Schmoe
[01:43] <Desh> And I'm lazy, so manuals and me = >_<! :( :'( X_X
[01:43] <flaccid> most channels will have a different POV on reading docs
[01:43] <klerfayt> I want 960x600 splash screen - is it possible?
[01:43] <Desh> klerfayt, probably.
[01:43] <h3sp4wn> man iwconfig is not necessary if you configure your interfaces from /etc/network/interfaces using the doc I linked above
[01:43] <flaccid> so we should assume here that people are of the level of windows end users?
[01:44] <klerfayt> Desh: what's the vga= ?
[01:44] <timonator> i am back
[01:44] <berkes> flaccid: yes we do.
[01:44] <timonator> i tried to connect top the net with my gentoo installation on my laptop that i brought over
[01:44] <timonator> and it worked
[01:44] <berkes> or even newer then that , for that matter.
[01:44] <Desh> flaccid: O-O
[01:44] <Desh> *:-O
[01:44] <flaccid> rightio
[01:44] <timonator> why in the whatever doesnt it work? it confuses the hell out of me
[01:45] <flaccid> they may not learn anyting, but hey i got teh coc to remember
[01:45] <berkes> flaccid: if linux community cannot (or will not) provide *additional* tools for simple tasks, for "ignorant" users, it will never ever become even an alternative to the other systems.
[01:46] <timonator> flaccid: handfeed me the solution to my unlogical problem please
[01:46] <Desh> o_O All this cos I can;t open the manual and talk in irc at the same time... >_< i forgot the command so I asked a simple question.
[01:46] <flaccid> i do agree don't get me wrong
[01:47] <berkes> as in: if someone asks: how do I change my IP settings, and you answer "learn vim, edit the /etc/... files, read the man pages" then we are all lost.
[01:47] <flaccid> i just have other things in mind besides just fixing the problem
[01:47] <Desh> Then don't answer?
[01:47] <berkes> indeed.
[01:47] <h3sp4wn> flaccid: I agree with you - Lack of knowledge does not imply to me stupidity (you could get a doctor for example who I would consider to be much more intelligent than me - given well written documentation would be totally fine)
[01:47] <berkes> :)
[01:47] <flaccid> its simple. why fix a problem when you don't understand what you did after fixing it??
[01:48] <h3sp4wn> Exactly
[01:48] <Jack12> hi in which folder do the sane -backends need to be copied?
[01:48] <flaccid> reading the manual is not a bad idea sometimes
[01:48] <flaccid> especially if its just to learn the params of the command
[01:48] <berkes> h3sp4wn: but if all you want to ask your doctor is "when do I take these pills before or after dinner" and he answers "here is the medical encyclopedia suit yourself"
[01:48] <berkes> then he is not doing his job :)
[01:48] <flaccid> you learn more switches when reading the manual
[01:49] <timonator> i just dont have any clue how to find the reason for my problem :(
[01:49] <h3sp4wn> berkes: But If I ask him what are the possible effects of me taking these pills he will tell me
[01:49] <berkes> flaccid: always imagine your mom, or girlfriend, or your granpa to be working on a linux system. You dont tell them to "man foo"
[01:49] <wily> help me
[01:49] <flaccid> but if you ask intricate details of the pill, chances are the GP won't be able to answer
[01:49] <wily> configuring kismet i've error
[01:49] <Jack12> u mean in my case? it didnt say where in particular they should  be stored and compiled?
[01:50] <h3sp4wn> flaccid: But he will find out
[01:50] <flaccid> the man is a principle for unix
[01:50] <wily> FATAL: Unknown capture source type 'ipw3945' in source 'ipw3945,eth1,ipw3945'
[01:50] <flaccid> exactly. he will find out by using a reference source
[01:50] <Desh> Well I'm tired, later all.
[01:51] <flaccid> i just looke at man iwconfig and it looks pretty newbie friendly to me
[01:51] <h3sp4wn> But for wpa you need wpa_supplicant and to do that (the debian way) the doc is an obscure place
[01:51] <flaccid> it has easy to understand examples like-  Examples :                    iwconfig eth0 essid any    iwconfig eth0 essid "My Network" etc.
[01:51] <Desh> I could not look at it - I'm in CLI and I have yet to discover how to switch b/w apps and I didn;t actually need to know, i randomly thought to myself, hey what was that command again?
[01:52] <flaccid> Desh: ok i help you switching apps then
[01:52] <flaccid> Desh: are you in KDE ?
[01:52] <kuzmaster> can somone please help me
[01:52] <Desh> flaccid: thanks, no I am in a comand line login.
[01:52] <kuzmaster> when i try to install the vmware workstation, it says this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17818 . i have uninstalled all the vmware things in adept, and when i run the perl script, its still saying that vmware player is installed
[01:52] <h3sp4wn> flaccid: I think that is a bad example because it doesn't explain how to properly integrate that into /etc/network/interface
[01:53] <h3sp4wn> kuzmaster: Did you install the player from adept ?
[01:53] <flaccid> h3sp4wn: hes asking about switching networks not setting a default in /etc/network/interface etc.
[01:53] <kuzmaster> h3sp4wn, apt-get
[01:53] <flaccid> Desh: you can use screen or use different virtual terminals
[01:53] <kuzmaster> h3sp4wn, installing it from adept is like installing java from adept
[01:53] <h3sp4wn> flaccid: That can be done using wpa_supplicant (either specify a few) or using wpa_cli
[01:54] <flaccid> h3sp4wn: what does wpa_supplicant have to do with switching access points?
[01:54] <h3sp4wn> kuzmaster: have you removed it
[01:54] <h3sp4wn> flaccid: It more verbose (i.e you can use various commands to see what is going on)
[01:55] <Desh> flaccid: K, thanks, i'll look into those then. i already downloaded screen, I'll try the virtual terminals as well then. I'll look into it later tho, It's light out already and I have yet to fall asleep. >_<!
[01:55] <kuzmaster> h3sp4wn, i think i have, i removed a bunch of things the started with vmware from adept
[01:55] <h3sp4wn> flaccid: And you can connect to wep or no encryption networks also
[01:55] <flaccid> Desh: like using ctrl + alt + f1
[01:55] <flaccid> h3sp4wn: you can do the same with iwconfig...
[01:55] <Desh> Oh, that was simple. thanks!
[01:56] <flaccid> Desh: try it with the other function keys, f2, f3 etc.
[01:56] <flaccid> am i acting a bit more ubuntu like?
[01:56] <Desh> flaccid: yeah i got it, that's great, thanks.
[01:57] <flaccid> cool
[01:57] <h3sp4wn> flaccid: Its alot easier to debug stuff (i.e it tells you when keys are removed etc )
[01:57] <kuzmaster> h3sp4wn, any help/ideas?
[01:58] <h3sp4wn> kuzmaster: You need a c compiler and make (build-essential)
[01:58] <centyx> morning gents
[01:58] <flaccid> h3sp4wn: sounds cool, if you use wpa_supplicant :)
[01:58] <Kwukki> morning?
[01:58] <kuzmaster> h3sp4wn, oh, well, explain
[01:59] <Kwukki> Here it is 2.00 pm
[01:59] <centyx> Kwukki: afternoon then
[01:59] <Kwukki> centyx : ;-)
[01:59] <Lynoure> kuzmaster: make your wish come true. It only takes some time :)
[02:00] <h3sp4wn> kwukki: apt-get install build-essential kernel-headers-386
[02:00] <Kwukki> h3sp4wn : why?
[02:00] <centyx> Kwukki: i think that was meant for kuzmaster
[02:00] <Kwukki> k
[02:01] <z00m> is there any software on linux for designing your house in 3d
[02:01] <z00m> thats frEE
[02:02] <centyx> i want to put kubuntu on my wife's pc, but she's only got 512mb ram. that would be fine, but she'll need to be running win xp in vmware-player, and that w/ only 512 is a little hairy
[02:02] <h3sp4wn> kuzmaster: actually you need build-essential and  linux-headers-386 (if you are using the 386 kernel)
[02:02] <h3sp4wn> kuzmaster: then try reerunning vmware-config.pl (I think that is the name of it - with sudo or as root)
[02:02] <kuzmaster> centyx, i run kubuntu with less that that and its fine
[02:03] <kuzmaster> h3sp4wn, ok....., i get 'build-essential' and 'linux-headers-386' from adept?
[02:03] <centyx> i may try it when i get home
[02:04] <kuzmaster> centyx, ok, and i know someone who uses xp with 128mb of ram, and its fine
[02:04] <h3sp4wn> kuzmaster: Yes - then run sudo /usr/local/bin/vmware-config.pl (it should build the kernel modules properly this time)
[02:04] <Desh-nap> Is there a limit to how many console logins I can have at a time with the same user?
[02:04] <kuzmaster> h3sp4wn, ok, thanx
 You will have to re run that script everytime there is a kernel change (from dapper-security)
[02:05] <kuzmaster> ok
[02:06] <mrbojanglie> how do i set a static routing table to use on every boot
[02:07] <kuzmaster> just out of curisoity, dose adept download .dep packages, and dpkg's them?
[02:08] <kuzmaster> like wen u install a package it does apt-get install -f (package name)?
[02:11] <tomcatt> has anyone load ubuntu on those ultra mobile computers yet?
[02:12] <kuzmaster> h3sp4wn. when i do "sudo /usr/local/bin/vmware-config.pl", it says that the command isnt found
[02:18] <z00m> im looking for some home design software for linux
[02:18] <z00m> anyone know any ?
[02:19] <omeow> blender? :)
[02:19] <Jack12> hi guys
[02:19] <Kwukki_> hi
[02:20] <Jack12> my snapscan.conf file is configured to point to the genuine windows firmware file of a scanner, however if i do scanimage i get
[02:20] <Jack12> Cannot open firmware file /usr/local/share/sane/snapscan/your-firmwarefile.bin.
[02:20] <z00m> omeow: is that any good ?
[02:20] <Jack12> Edit the firmware file entry in snapscan.conf.
[02:21] <z00m> i dont want something that is going to take me 6months to learn how to use, is it simple /
[02:21] <Jack12> last hting it says open of device snapscan:libusb:005:009 failed: Invalid argument
[02:22] <Jack12> /usr/local/share/sane/snapscan/your-firmwarefile.bin.this file has normal user permissions should it have root permissions?
[02:23] <omeow> z00m: I used it before. The interface takes some getting used to. But if you follow the documentation, and when you get used to the interface, it's really fast to use.
[02:23] <z00m> ok, thanks omeow ill get it
[02:24] <Jack12> sane-find-scanner leave me with found USB scanner (vendor=0x04b8 [EPSON] , product=0x0121 [EPSON Scanner] ) at lib                                                          usb:005:013
[02:27] <Jack12> hi who works with xsane??
[02:28] <Lynoure> I used to use it... but not for a while and not in kubuntu
[02:29] <Jack12> can i just copy images with xsane (scan and print ) as one action?
[02:31] <Jack12> h3sp4wn are u there?
[02:39] <muslim> hi
[02:39] <muslim> i have i big problem
[02:39] <coma> hello...yes?
[02:40] <muslim> i can't get any application using apt-get
[02:40] <gnomefreak> muslim: what is it saying?
[02:42] <muslim> it says waiting for headers 0%
[02:42] <muslim> and nothing happens
[02:43] <_kalm> did you do the sources.list?
[02:43] <muslim> what is that source list
[02:43] <muslim> sorry i am new to linux
[02:43] <_kalm> so am i :-)
[02:44] <coma> did you turn on flux.capacitor?
[02:44] <_kalm> theres this thing you need to do with umm... /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:44] <gnomefreak> lol
[02:44] <gnomefreak> _kalm: correct
[02:44] <muslim> and what to do
[02:44] <gnomefreak> muslim: can you please paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list onto pastebin
[02:44] <mindspin> !sources.list
[02:44] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[02:45] <coma> !pornography
[02:45] <ubotu> I know nothing about pornography - try searching bots.ubuntulinux.nl, help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:45] <coma> !bondage
[02:45] <ubotu> I know nothing about bondage - try searching bots.ubuntulinux.nl, help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:46] <mindspin> muslim the file /etc/apt/sources.list defines the sources wher apt-get/adept/kynaptic gets its packages from
[02:46] <muslim> ok
[02:46] <muslim> then
[02:47] <forkz> !open
[02:47] <ubotu> I know nothing about open - try searching bots.ubuntulinux.nl, help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:47] <coma> !poopy
[02:47] <ubotu> I know nothing about poopy - try searching bots.ubuntulinux.nl, help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:47] <_kalm> ! linux
[02:47] <ubotu> linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[02:48] <_kalm> hm
[02:48] <Simonth> how do i change to x86?
[02:48] <abattoir> coma, come on...
[02:48] <coma> !mach
[02:48] <ubotu> I know nothing about mach - try searching bots.ubuntulinux.nl, help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:48] <coma> what?
[02:48] <coma> !microkernal
[02:48] <ubotu> I know nothing about microkernal - try searching bots.ubuntulinux.nl, help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:48] <abattoir> coma, if you want to play with the bot, please do it private
[02:48] <mindspin> when you open adept, there is a button "adept"if you click in on it "manage repositories"appears
[02:49] <Simonth> I have just installed kubuntu amd64 :( But I cant compile that stuff I will compile, it says "the processor do not understand x86-64 installains" (I have translated it..normally it is in danish)
[02:49] <abattoir> especially, if you want to test its knowledge of among other things, pornography
[02:49] <gnomefreak> coma: dont play with the bot please
[02:49] <Simonth> Can I switch from amd64 to x86, without having to downloading 700 mb? (which takes about a day or more on this internet)
[02:49] <coma> it was a joke...
[02:49] <_kalm> !coma
[02:49] <ubotu> I know nothing about coma - try searching bots.ubuntulinux.nl, help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:49] <mindspin> there you can edit your sources.list
[02:49] <_kalm> :P
[02:49] <coma> lmao
[02:50] <Simonth> nobody can help me? :/
[02:50] <coma> i dont think so
[02:50] <muslim> what should i do
[02:50] <coma> Simonth : answer, i think you have to download
[02:51] <mindspin> in front of the "inactive" sources you see a #
[02:51] <muslim> i had these sources active
[02:51] <mindspin> when you remove it, the source will be used
[02:51] <muslim> it worked only once
[02:51] <Simonth> coma I dont just can edit something or download a another kernel or something? but okay then I download it, but then I first can use linux tomorrow :/
[02:51] <mindspin> can you post the content to pastebin?
[02:51] <gnomefreak> Simonth: i think (but never done this) but just install the 383 kernel and than boot to it
[02:52] <mindspin> try a "fetch updates"
[02:52] <mindspin> !paste
[02:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[02:52] <coma> !joke
[02:52] <ubotu> I know nothing about joke - try searching bots.ubuntulinux.nl, help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com
[02:52] <coma> Simonth : i dont think so, due to the architecture
[02:52] <coma> lmao
[02:53] <mindspin> !coc
[02:53] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[02:53] <Simonth> gnomefreak okay, i can try..
[02:53] <Chani> Simonth: if all your progarms are compiled for a 64bit environment, you can't use them in a 32bit environment, afaik. so yes, you'll have to install everything all over again
[02:53] <Chani> or at least the bare essentials
[02:54] <muslim> i did what you asked
[02:54] <muslim> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17823
[02:54] <gnomefreak> coma: use /msg ubotu <fact>
[02:54] <coma> ...but thats no fun:(
[02:55] <Simonth> Chani Okay.. I think the easyist thing is then to download kubuntu i386 instead...but it takes a long on this internet..but I then just wait..thanks
[02:55] <gnomefreak> muslim: try sudo apt-get update   let me know if it runs through ok
[02:55] <mindspin> muslim: that looks correct, what exactly do you want to install/update ?
[02:55] <Chani> personally I think I'd use gentoo if I got an amd64 :) but, I don't mind waiting hours and hours for stuff to compile
[02:55] <coma> !fun
[02:55] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[02:56] <muslim> i think its aconnection problem
[02:56] <mindspin> that would be my guess too
[02:56] <_kalm> i thought about installin gentoo... but im too noob :-D
[02:57] <achraf> hello, i need to match this with sed <FEATURE id=FAJ 122 215 rev=R1 state=NOT AVAILABLE> and replace it with <FEATURE id="FAJ 122 215" rev="R1" state="NOT AVAILABLE"> am not really good with regex :S
[02:57] <mindspin> muslim: replace the eg with de for example and have a try the german repos work
[02:57] <gnomefreak> muslim: does apt-get update work?
[02:57] <muslim> no
[02:58] <gnomefreak> muslim: ok replace the eg in all the repos with de
[02:58] <gnomefreak> de is one of the most stable servers
[02:58] <muslim> firefox didnt work for me till i made ipv6 disabled
[02:59] <muslim> then apt-get worked once
[02:59] <muslim> only once
[02:59] <mindspin> muslim: try what kdefreak and I told you
[02:59] <_kalm> i really like Konquer.. Firefox doesn't always connect to the internet
[02:59] <gnomefreak> lol mindspin
[02:59] <mindspin> if the eg server is down th de one should work
[03:00] <Chani> huh. adept says it's done, but it's not letting me go back to the package list.
[03:00] <muslim> ok
[03:00] <mindspin> ;-)
[03:00] <mindspin> otherwise you may have a nameresolution issue
[03:00] <Chani> it's just sitting there, telling me it's done
[03:01] <mindspin> hehe
[03:01] <abattoir> Chani: there should be a show list button somewhere
[03:02] <abattoir> View->Show Package list
[03:02] <muslim> does changing server affects the language
[03:03] <muslim> my language is english arabic
[03:03] <Chani> abattoir: that was chacked. I tried clicking 'show last download' and now it says it's only 37% done and is downloading more stuff
[03:03] <abattoir> Chani: oh ok
[03:03] <mindspin> muslim: no
[03:03] <Chani> abattoir: when I woke up it was waiting for me to tell it whether it should download the nonfree flash
[03:04] <muslim> the problem still unsolved
[03:04] <abattoir> Chani: someo installation procedures are interactive... which i guess adept could handle better
[03:04] <Chani> so, darnit. I wish it'd downloaded everything before asking me that
[03:05] <muslim> i think it's something wrong with IPv6
[03:05] <abattoir> Chani: generally, all packages are downloaded, only during setup, are you asked info... dont know about flash
[03:05] <muslim> because firefox didnt work till i disabled it
[03:05] <Chani> abattoir: oh, another thing: because details were hiddden, at first it looked like it was stalled. that's bad. I imagine newbies might not think of loking at the details
[03:06] <abattoir> Chani: indeed
[03:07] <mindspin> muslim, open konsole and try a ping de.eg.archive.ubuntu.com
[03:07] <mindspin> leave the de
[03:07] <muslim> ok
[03:07] <muslim> i .ll try
[03:07] <mindspin> should read ping eg.archive.ubuntu.com
[03:08] <Jack12> hobbsee are u there?
[03:08] <Chani> yay, 85%
[03:08] <muslim> both worked
[03:09] <muslim> whats next
[03:09] <mindspin> mh so name resolution at all seems to work, you got response?
[03:09] <muslim> yes
[03:09] <Jack12> i would like to install scanbuttond like its described here
[03:09] <Jack12> http://gentoo-wiki.com/Scanner_buttons_and_one-touch_scanning
[03:10] <Jack12> i am just unsure if this would work for ubuntu
[03:10] <mindspin> what happens when you type sudo apt-get update on konsole ?
[03:10] <Jack12> and what the lines beginning with cvs do..
[03:11] <thompa> i need some hardware troubleshooting advice real bad
[03:11] <gnomefreak> thompa: ask
[03:12] <muslim> it just does the same 0%
[03:12] <muslim> no progress for long period
[03:12] <mindspin> mh
[03:12] <thompa> i have 2 ddr 512M ram sticks with a 1.8 athlon cpu, mobo is soyo k400
[03:13] <thompa> sometimes the box will barely boot, if i pull out one stcik of ram it boots fast
[03:13] <thompa> but i ran memtest all night no ram errors
[03:13] <muslim> what is the meaning of mh
[03:13] <mindspin> it means "I have no solution at hand ..."
[03:14] <mindspin> I'm thinking about how to diagnose and solve your problem
[03:14] <muslim> thanks for your efforts
[03:14] <mindspin> yw
[03:15] <muslim> i hope that i'm not annoying you
[03:15] <mindspin> It could be IPv6 related,
[03:15] <muslim> i think so
[03:15] <mindspin> no we are here to help out if we can
[03:15] <alex_ndc> hi guys, I am new here ... I have a question that bugs me ... what's up with all these kernel upgrades on Ubuntu ? Are you installing these kernel upgrades as soon as they appear ?
[03:15] <mindspin> and If you are an advanced user feel free to help also...
[03:16] <muslim> are you from kubuntu team
[03:16] <mindspin> no, just auser
[03:16] <muslim> i am from egypt
[03:16] <muslim> where are you from
[03:17] <mindspin> germany
[03:17] <muslim> thats why you gave me the de mirror
[03:17] <muslim> :D
[03:17] <MidMark> h3sp4wn: can you confirm some bugs?
[03:17] <MidMark> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/qtparted/+bug/45398
[03:18] <MidMark> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/45397
[03:18] <MidMark> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/49690
[03:18] <MidMark> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/k9copy/+bug/50997
[03:18] <muslim> the worldcup organization at your country was very good
[03:19] <muslim> any idea mindspin ?
[03:20] <Pupeno_> alex_ndc: what's up with the upgrades ? they might have found a bug or something to improve and improved it. I install them as they appear.
[03:20] <alex_ndc> yeah ... but what if it breaks my system
[03:20] <alex_ndc> ?
[03:20] <alex_ndc> upgrading the kernel isn't supposed to be dangerous ?
[03:20] <dr_willis> not really
[03:21] <dr_willis> it keeps the old kernel. and has a grub entry for both the old and new
[03:21] <dr_willis> reboot, select old kernel.. there ya go.
[03:21] <alex_ndc> ok, so, if the new kernel works, how can I delete the old kernel ?
[03:21] <dr_willis> dont bother deleting it. :) i dont think its worth the hassle.
[03:22] <dr_willis> i must have like 6 kernel entries in my grub menu by now.
[03:22] <abattoir> alex_ndc: you can remove the package from adept if you want...
[03:22] <alex_ndc> yeah ? it works that way ? have you tried it ?
[03:22] <muslim> are there anybody from kubuntu team
[03:22] <muslim> ?
[03:23] <abattoir> alex_ndc: yes, i have, i've removed about 10 at a go, and save some space :P
[03:23] <abattoir> *saved
[03:23] <alex_ndc> :) ok, that's good
[03:23] <alex_ndc> thanks
[03:23] <abattoir> alex_ndc: make sure the new one works properly w/ your system first though
[03:25] <mindspin> muslim you can ask in #ubuntu
[03:26] <muslim> but there should be differences between it and kubuntu
[03:27] <alex_ndc> muslin: what's your problem ?
[03:28] <muslim> i cant install any thing from adept
[03:28] <muslim> or kpackage
[03:29] <alex_ndc> apt-get works ?
[03:29] <muslim> it doesnt connect to thae internet
[03:29] <muslim> no only once
[03:29] <alex_ndc> have you tried using different mirrors ?
[03:29] <muslim> yes
[03:30] <muslim> i think its connection problem
[03:30] <alex_ndc> are you connecting through a proxy ? maybe you have a missconfiguration somewhere
[03:30] <muslim> especially withh IPv6
[03:31] <alex_ndc> yeah, I had problems with ipv6 myself
[03:31] <muslim> then what to do
[03:31] <_kalm> i think you can still get synaptic.. although it wouldnt be much help if your apt doesnt work... heh, bad idea
[03:32] <alex_ndc> try getting synaptic with ... sudo apt-get install synaptic
[03:32] <muslim> what is synaptic for
[03:32] <alex_ndc> if apt-get doesn't work, you could also ask on the #ubuntu channel
[03:32] <thompa> i rebooted and my cpu usage stays at 100%, but if i remove 1 ram stick now it is ok
[03:32] <alex_ndc> synaptic is like adept, but for Gnome
[03:32] <_kalm> if the apt-get doesnt work i doubt synaptic would be of much use!
[03:32] <thompa> but memtest shows no ram errors
[03:33] <muslim> how well it will work here with kde
[03:33] <alex_ndc> yeah, that's why it is important for him to test ap-get
[03:33] <thompa> i guess my cpu is going bad, anybody know how to tell
[03:33] <_kalm> ive had synaptic on KDE it works, ok
[03:33] <alex_ndc> it will work, if it installs
[03:33] <alex_ndc> yeah, I have it too
[03:33] <alex_ndc> I like adept better, though
[03:34] <_kalm> i havent used adept at all...
[03:34] <_kalm> cant bother due to lack of POWER on my "computer"
[03:35] <mazurskie> is there a repo of just kernel packages?
[03:37] <muslim> no it didn't
[03:37] <Chani> thompa: hardware issues can be nasty to diagnose. you could download some more tools to test things... like the 'ultimate boot cd' (I forget where it is, google knows)
[03:38] <muslim> it says : Package synaptic is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[03:38] <Chani> thompa: btw: are both sticks of ram the same?
[03:38] <z00m> how do you do a CTCP version check on IRC
[03:40] <thompa> Chani: yes they are the same, thanks
[03:41] <thompa> Chani: i have run about 20 programs to test cpu etc in windows
[03:41] <thompa> all check out ok
[03:42] <thompa> Chani: it will run fine for hours or days, then a very slow boot with cpu at 100% for entire session
[03:42] <thompa> even if i reboot it may not fix, unless i wait some long time or pull ram or something
[03:43] <thompa> compusa has a ram testing device machine maybe its better than memtest
[03:43] <Chani> evil.
[03:43] <Chani> I doubt it
[03:43] <thompa> it will also start to lock up for maybe 5-10 minutes after some heavy usage in openoffice
[03:44] <Chani> hmm. nasty
[03:44] <Chani> how long did you run memtest for?
[03:44] <thompa> Chani: im thinking about a new mobo cpu package , they got a cheap one for $150
[03:44] <thompa> i ran memtest maybe 5 hours
[03:44] <Chani> with the first stick of ram for this comp, it took memtest86 nearly 24 hours to find a problem
[03:45] <thompa> realy, oh
[03:45] <Chani> (since I was getting random compile failures I was sure it was the ram)
[03:45] <h3sp4wn> MidMark: I use edgy and none of those programs (the version of thunderbird I use is the binary from mozilla.org) and I do installs via debootstrap (well did for edgy)
[03:45] <Tm_Konvi> hi kids
[03:45] <thompa> Chani: wont the hardware test machine find the ram problem quicker if i bring it in
[03:46] <abattoir> hello Tm_Konvi
[03:46] <Chani> thompa: maybe, maybe not. their "test machine" might even be runnng memtest86 itself :) when I returned my ram to NCIX they didn't find a problem, but they didn't run memtest as long as I did (and they were nice and gave me a replacement still)
[03:46] <cristiano> hello guys i've an italian keyboard and suddenly the accented keys are not working anymore O___O
[03:47] <Tm_Konvi> I got my adsl back after 6 weeks or so
[03:47] <Tm_Konvi> so, now I'm waiting upgrades to download
[03:47] <Wilfred> cristiano: check your keyboard settings
[03:47] <Chani> thompa: if it's free it can't hurt, but if they want money I personally wouldn't pay
[03:47] <thompa> Chani: ill run it again, maybe its the cpu or mobo
[03:47] <cristiano> i've checked right now, i have an italian layout selected
[03:47] <thompa> its free
[03:48] <Chani> ah, cool
[03:48] <Wilfred> dunno then. sorry
[03:48] <cristiano> Wilfred: it's something really strange, maybe it's because of cedega?
[03:48] <_kalm> italian... i used to have finnish but i got USA keyboad :-)
[03:48] <Chani> yeah, it could be anything... only way to narrow it down is olts of trial and error. although I wouldn't really suspect the cpu much, my bet would be ram or mb
[03:49] <Wilfred> cristiano: I don't use cedega myself, although installing something reset my localisation settings a while back. I learn more about kubuntu settings though :-s
[03:49] <cristiano> Wilfred:  it's really weird the prob i got coz this morning everything was working fine...
[03:50] <Jack12> does anybody know how i would assign the buttons on my scanner the responding function eg copy. email.fax..?
[03:50] <Wilfred> cristiano: anything else changed on your system?
[03:50] <_kalm> cristiano: you got cedega? how does it work compared to windows???
[03:50] <_kalm> i mean the software
[03:50] <cristiano> Wilfred: no just installed cedega who asked me to install something about fonts
[03:51] <cristiano> _kalm: it doesn't work for me here, i think i have to switch to the most updated cedega version
[03:51] <Wilfred> cristiano: is it possible it's changed something to a font that doesn't support accents?
[03:51] <Tm_Konvi> abattoir: what's up
[03:51] <_kalm> cristiano: oh, just wondering how Steam  would work on Cedega... or wine
[03:52] <abattoir> Tm_Konvi: oh, you still remember ;)
[03:52] <abattoir> or dont you :P ?
[03:52] <Tm_Konvi> barely, I'm getting too old you know :p
[03:52] <cristiano> Wilfred: it does so with any type of font and on every apps
[03:54] <cristiano> i really dunno what to do :(
[03:54] <SheaTara> My system is becoming somewhat unresponsive and slow, I have a new, relatively fast AMD64 running 32-bit kubuntu with ubuntu-desktop installed, any recommendations?
[03:55] <_kalm> why not just use english, saves the trouble of stuff like that! my first language is Finnish but i use english in everything...
[03:55] <SheaTara> I also have 512 mb ram, 1024 mb swap
[03:55] <Tm_Konvi> _kalm: same here, mostly
[03:55] <ubuntu_> Hi all
[03:55] <Tm_Konvi> _kalm: paitsi suomenkielist tukea antaessa ;)
[03:56] <ubuntu_> why does my optical mouse not work?
[03:56] <_kalm> Tim_Konvi: hehe... :-D juupa juu
[03:56] <ubuntu_> and I can't boot from Kubuntu :-D
[03:57] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu_: Damaged lense maybe
[03:57] <cristiano> ok i'll try restarting X hope this will help :(
[03:57] <ubuntu_> h3sp4wn, it works on FC5 and Windows :-D
[03:58] <ubuntu_> and good on Breezy
[03:58] <h3sp4wn> Is it usb ?
[03:58] <ubuntu_> but I had to update kernel
[03:58] <ubuntu_> h3sp4wn, no, P/S
[03:58] <cristiano> hello h3sp4wn how are u doin?
[03:59] <h3sp4wn> Reasonably well (for the time being)
[03:59] <ubuntu_> h3sp4wn, but there is a small problem.
[03:59] <h3sp4wn> What is that ?
[03:59] <cristiano> heheh same here even if i'm angry coz it looks like some keys on my keybord aren't working damn!!!
[03:59] <ubuntu_> I installed new kubuntu from CD which I received
[04:00] <ubuntu_> And It din't work
[04:00] <ubuntu_> :-D
[04:00] <h3sp4wn> Are you in the the live cd now ?
[04:00] <ubuntu_> yes
[04:00] <h3sp4wn> And is the mouse working at the moment ?
[04:00] <ubuntu_> no
[04:00] <ubuntu_> :-D
[04:01] <ubuntu_> after installing, reboot, and it stopped at "Waiting for mounting root .... "
[04:01] <ubuntu_> and I have to uses live CD
[04:01] <ubuntu_> :-D
[04:02] <h3sp4wn> The live cd without a working mouse ?
[04:02] <ubuntu_> yes
[04:02] <ubuntu_> i have to uses an old one
[04:02] <ubuntu_> scroll mouse :-D
[04:03] <h3sp4wn> Try installing from the altenate cd
[04:03] <ubuntu_> omg, I have just one live cd
[04:04] <serenity> hi
[04:04] <ubuntu_> that's a wrong decision
[04:04] <Wilfred> anyone tell me how I can remove old kernels from my system and lilo? adept doesn't seem to want to do it
[04:05] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu_: Its very difficult to debug the installation from the livecd (at least for me) however the alternate install cd seems to work 100% of the time after that I could probably help you get the mouse working (from the commandline)
[04:06] <ubuntu_> huh, but I received only live CD in package
[04:06] <h3sp4wn> http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/6.06/kubuntu-6.06-alternate-i386.iso
[04:08] <h3sp4wn> No one ever seems to have problems installing with that (in my experience or at least asks about them in here)
[04:13] <ubuntu_> h3sp4wn, thx
[04:14] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu_: Its a tried and tested installer (been used by debian for a long time)
[04:14] <serenity> the ubuntustickers are not wheather-resistant
[04:14] <h3sp4wn> serenity: Are they resistant to chemicals ?
[04:15] <serenity> h3sp4wn: sour rain? Nope
[04:23] <nikkne> hi all,
[04:23] <serenity> hi
[04:23] <nikkne> I'm using ubuntu upgraded to kubuntu
[04:23] <nikkne> where should I made changes to get X running without -nolisten
[04:23] <nikkne> ?
[04:24] <serenity> nolisten?
[04:24] <h3sp4wn> nikkne: You want to enabled xdmcp ?
[04:25] <nikkne> I dunno :) I just want to see: /usr/bin/X -br :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-pZGOGM
[04:25] <nikkne> instead of /usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-pZGOGM
[04:25] <nikkne> kdm is running, if that means something
[04:26] <h3sp4wn> If you don't know why you probably don't need it
[04:30] <nikkne> h3sp4wn: true
[04:31] <nikkne> what I want is ability to connect to my machine from another machine (using X, offcourse)
[04:32] <nikkne> that's why I need -nolisten tcp removed from arguments of /usr/bin/X
[04:32] <h3sp4wn> nikkne: For that I would use freenx
[04:32] <h3sp4wn> !freenx
[04:32] <ubotu> freenx is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX
[04:45] <h3sp4wn> nikkne: Or standard x forwarding over ssh for individual apps
[04:50] <grizzly> 17 20 * * * ~/script/somescript - is there anything wrong with this cron command?
[04:50] <grizzly> the script runs fine otherwise.
[04:50] <Hawkwind> Try using the full path instead of ~/
[04:50] <Hawkwind> Shouldn't matter, but it might
[04:51] <grizzly> used fullpath only.
[04:51] <h3sp4wn> Is it in roots crontab ?
[04:51] <Hawkwind> grizzly: Are you sure that the user executing the cron has the right to execute the script ?
[04:51] <grizzly> I changed my shell from bash to zsh. COuld that affect ?
[04:51] <grizzly> Hawkwind: Yes, I run thios script all the time
[04:51] <Hawkwind> grizzly: Is it in roots crontab ?
[04:51] <grizzly> meaning?
[04:52] <h3sp4wn> I have started using zsh recently - have you changed roots shell to zsh ?
[04:52] <Hawkwind> Are you running the cronjob as root or normal user ?
[04:52] <grizzly> Hawkwind: normal user I guess "crontab -e"
[04:52] <Hawkwind> You guess ?
[04:52] <grizzly> h3sp4wn: yes in /etc/passwd
[04:52] <Hawkwind> Did you do crontab -e as root or normal user ?
[04:52] <h3sp4wn> grizzly: I would leave roots shell as bash
[04:53] <h3sp4wn> grizzly: and just if you are using interactive just do exec zsh
[04:53] <grizzly> Hawkwind: the command I use is "crontab -e" without sudo.
[04:54] <Hawkwind> grizzly: Then it's being done as normal user which is what I was asking
[04:55] <Hawkwind> grizzly: Since I don't use zsh you might listen to h3sp4wn's advice since he seems to know about it
[04:55] <grizzly> Does cron require that I make the script executable for bash seperately?? ( if that makes sense)
[04:55] <h3sp4wn> grizzly: Does the script use any features which only zsh has ?
[04:56] <grizzly> h3sp4wn: In /etc/passwd : ni:x:1000:1000:ni,,,:/home/ni:/bin/zsh  where ni is my user .
[04:56] <grizzly> nope
[04:56] <grizzly> other commands like mkdir ~/ttt work btw
[04:58] <nikkne> about -nolisten issue: change of ServerLocalFlags in /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc did the trick
[05:01] <grizzly> would I be correct in assuming that 20 20 * * * krusader is supposed to work ?
[05:03] <Mr_Crispy> I have an external USB HD that has somehow been set to read only. Any attempts to change it to write permission have not worked. Any suggestions?
[05:03] <jay> Good Morning (for those in US EDT zone)
[05:05] <grizzly> Mr_Crispy: I'll guess, what does /etc/fstab have to say? Use pastebin
[05:05] <jay> Does anybody know if there is a solution to the problem with KDE hard-locking with NVIDIA drivers?  I've found a lot of info via Google documenting the problem, but no solutions.
[05:06] <Riddell> ** testers need for koffice 1.5.2   deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/koffice-152/ dapper main
[05:08] <grizzly> h3sp4wn: Hawkwind : I think I found the problem, my script started with /bin/bash, whereas my shell is zsh . I am so dumb
[05:09] <Kwukki> hi
[05:09] <Kwukki> is it possible to let a user run a script by simply clicking on it?
[05:10] <grizzly> Kwukki: yes , wait a sec
[05:11] <MikHell> I have something weird.... the Konqueror search box does not work anymore
[05:11] <jay> Hmmm.... nvidia thing is an unsolved bug in Kubuntu?
[05:11] <MikHell> And Firefox is unusable as it keeps freezing up
[05:11] <grizzly> rrr=$(which $1)  && cp -l $rrr ~/Desktop/ , save this as script. Now to x\create desktop shortcut, type scriptname "appname" , (without quotes)
[05:12] <Kwukki> :-s
[05:12] <Kwukki> wait
[05:12] <ShuT-> :x
[05:13] <synie> do u know, how the english key layout file is called ?
[05:13] <Hawkwind> Riddell: Installed here no problems and everything seems to run fine.  I'll do some more extensive testing here in a bit but it all seems well with the new koffice :)
[05:14] <MikHell> Does anyone else have problems with firefox?
[05:14] <Hawkwind> MikHell: What kind of problems ?
[05:15] <MikHell> It freezes all the time
[05:15] <MikHell> no idea what makes it freeze
[05:15] <doppelganger> i've got a quick question for someone in the know. Not anything technical.
[05:15] <MikHell> but it may even have made my machine crash....
[05:15] <JoeCoder> modprobe fglrx doesn't work.  "FATAL: Module fglrx not found."  And I've done apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[05:15] <doppelganger> In Kubuntu, i love the way the "system settings" screen is setup
[05:15] <Hawkwind> MikHell: Do you have any extensions installed ?
[05:15] <Riddell> Hawkwind: excellent, thanks
[05:16] <MikHell> extensions? You mean pluggin? or something else?
[05:16] <jay> MikHell:  Have you tried renaming ~/.mozilla and trying firefox?
[05:16] <doppelganger> is that a KDE centric thing, or kubuntu-desktop thing?
[05:16] <Riddell> Hawkwind: i386?
[05:16] <Hawkwind> Riddell: I'm on a P4, 686 box here
[05:16] <Riddell> cool
[05:16] <kOpter> doppelganger > mostly a kde thing
[05:17] <Hawkwind> MikHell: Correct.  Firefox calls them extensions
[05:17] <Hawkwind> MikHell: But they are basically plugins
[05:17] <MikHell> jay: I am trying that. I will browse around and tell you if it works again
[05:17] <doppelganger> ok, cool, just wanted to know. I love the way that is setup compared to gnome, looks much cleaner and more intuitive
[05:17] <Kwukki> grizzly : i want to place the scripts on the internet, i'm making a kubuntu-guide. It is for reeeaal beginners.
[05:17] <Kwukki> grizzly : how can i do That?
[05:17] <Hawkwind> Kwukki: Start a forum or wiki or something
[05:17] <JoeCoder> If you're going to be pedantic, I think firefox plugins are things like flash and java.
[05:18] <MikHell> Hawkwind: I have java and Flash (but it would freeze before I downloaded flash)
[05:18] <Kwukki> Hawkind : Why?
[05:18] <Kwukki> Hawkiwnd : Why?
[05:18] <Hawkwind> Kwukki: To put the information on.  Makes it easier to read and such
[05:18] <MikHell> Hawkwind: I also think it froze before java
[05:18] <JoeCoder> I used easy-ubuntu for all of my plugins and it worked just fine.
[05:18] <JoeCoder> kubuntu dapper
[05:18] <Hawkwind> MikHell: Click on Tools -> Extensions
[05:18] <Hawkwind> MikHell: Anything listed there ?
[05:18] <Kwukki> Hawkwind : Why?
[05:19] <jay> Hmmm ... is there no solution to kubuntu+nvidia=lockup problem?
[05:19] <MikHell> Hawkwind: Hawkind: ah not the plgins then :) I have English (GB) Language Pack 1.5.0.1
[05:19] <Hawkwind> Kwukki: You said you wanted to put the info on the internet for a Kubuntu beginners site.  I'm just suggesting ideas
[05:19] <Kwukki> ow
[05:19] <Kwukki> k
[05:19] <Hawkwind> MikHell: Then do what jay suggested by doing: mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla-old  with firefox closed, then restart it
[05:20] <MikHell> I just did it
[05:20] <grizzly> Kwukki http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17835 - this is simple script. using which my 8 yr old cousin was happily creating desktop shortcuts
[05:20] <Kwukki> eveything works fine, but i want to let new linux users click on the script and it have to run.
[05:20] <MikHell> Hawkwind: what would moving my .mozilla do? This is just after moving it.
[05:20] <JoeCoder> Can anyone help me get my ati video driver working so that I don't have to rely on mesa any more? (Radeon x600)
[05:20] <Hawkwind> MikHell: It clears out all of your firefox configs and starts like it's a fresh install
[05:21] <Hawkwind> MikHell: It could be some config file is corrupted or something causing the problems you are having.
[05:21] <MikHell> Hawkwind: I know that, but what is the issue with my previous configs? I still will have that extension
[05:21] <MikHell> Hawkwind: OK we'll see...
[05:21] <Hawkwind> MikHell: That extension is built into Kubuntu's firefox
[05:21] <Hawkwind> MikHell: I just wanted to make sure you didn't have any additional ones
[05:23] <KurtB> I'm struggling with setting up 802.1x TTLS with PAP on Kubuntu 6.01. Has anyone here messed with wpa_supplicant who might be able to pass me a clue?
[05:24] <KurtB> :-)
[05:24] <MikHell> Is there another GUI for WiFi that allows WPA?
[05:24] <h3sp4wn> How do I print screen in kde ?
[05:25] <MikHell> Is there another GUI than Networkmanager for WiFi that allows WPA?
[05:25] <ivanoats> I had amaroK working, with all the EasyUbuntu stuff, and then I installed the latest version and now it won't play mp3's anymore :-(
[05:25] <jay> **sigh**  how frustrating... I like SO many things about Kubuntu... but the random lock-ups renders it generally unusable to me :(
[05:25] <abattoir> h3sp4wn: if the PrtSc button doesnt bring it up automatically, ksnapshot
[05:26] <abattoir> MikHell: tried knetworkmanager?
[05:26] <MikHell> abattoir: I am using knetworkmanager, but I get annoyed that it does not get the signal strength right and sometimes it disconnects and thn reconnects me....
[05:27] <jay> (BTW, whoever designed the "system settings" window ROCKS... a HUGE step forward in usablility!)
[05:27] <abattoir> MikHell: and wlassistant doesnt work?
[05:29] <MikHell> abattoir: wlassistant supports WPE but no WPA
[05:32] <charlie5> hullooo ... does it matter performance-wise, where swap is on the disk ?
[05:33] <hub> hi
[05:33] <hub> hi
[05:34] <hub> how do I enable universe from the UI ?
[05:34] <hub> (I know how to edit sources.list, that is not the question)
[05:34] <hub> in Kubuntu off course
[05:34] <grizzly> first install synaptic, I think it has a way of enabling universe from gui
[05:35] <hub> ok, so it is just not me
[05:35] <hub> grizzly: I'd rather vi it as usual
[05:35] <jay> You can do it from Adept..
[05:35] <hub> jay: how?
[05:35] <jay> System --> Adept
[05:35] <jay> (standby.. I need to open it myself to remember the rest.)
[05:36] <hub> I went thru the Add/Remove thing
[05:36] <hub> which is also adept
[05:36] <hub> :-/
[05:36] <jay> That doesn't work, hub...
[05:36] <jay> you have to use Adept from the system menu
[05:36] <hub> there is definitely something wrong
[05:37] <jay> The Add/Remove thing is very minimalist.
[05:38] <hub> too minimalist
[05:38] <hub> because it allow looking for unsupported software
[05:38] <hub> but does not enable it
[05:38] <hub> ...
[05:38] <jay> Anyway.. after opening the full Adept GUI, pull down the "Adept" menu and choose "manage repositories"
[05:38] <hub> yeah I found that
[05:38] <jay> I agree.. I don't like the Add/Remove thing... I use Adept from the System menu.
[05:38] <hub> it is done now
[05:39] <hub> jay: I use sudo apt-get update
[05:39] <hub> jay: and the rest
[05:39] <hub> in a terminal
[05:39] <hub> :-)
[05:39] <hub> always
[05:39] <jay> If I wanted to do that, I'd still be using Gentoo. :)
[05:39] <hub> I now know why
[05:39] <hub> jay: you would have to compile too
[05:40] <jay> I don't care about the compiling part... I always ran big compile jobs before I went to work/sleep/watch movie.
[05:40] <h3sp4wn> You can use packages with gentoo I think
[05:40] <v3ctor> yes
[05:40] <hub> ok, let's not start in the distro war
[05:40] <jay> h3sp4win: Yes.. there are a limited number of pre-compiled packages available in Gentoo.
[05:40] <jay> Oh... No WAR intended. :)
[05:43] <jay> Anyway....    I'll ask again... NVIDIA + Kubuntu = Lockup.  Any known solutions?
[05:43] <imachine> get a new card.
[05:44] <jay> imachine: would rather get the problem fixed.  It worked perfectly in the "other" distro I mentioned before (not to start war, but to narrow down where the problem may be)
[05:45] <imachine> bah. so its not hardware related.
[05:45] <imachine> well
[05:45] <jay> imachine: right. :)
[05:45] <imachine> people are seldom magicians you know.
[05:45] <imachine> unless you provide with some error information, its hardly possible to debug that.
[05:45] <imachine> or help.
[05:45] <imachine> so realizing that, get cracking.
[05:45] <imachine> :)
[05:46] <JoeCoder> jay: I don't know a lot, but have you tried it with other OS's to make sure it's not a hardware problem?
[05:46] <kOpter> Sorry jay, just sent my crystal ball RMA..
[05:46] <imachine> JoeCoder, he just said he did.
[05:46] <jay> imachine:  dang... you sound like a gentoovian. :)
[05:46] <imachine> jay, im not.
[05:46] <JoeCoder> sorry, just got back form another channel
[05:46] <imachine> last time i used gentoo was quite some time.
[05:46] <imachine> jay, anyway, if you want help, provide errors.
[05:47] <imachine> like 'it doesnt work' is not an error message ;)
[05:47] <imachine> 'my computer locks up, can you help?'
[05:47] <imachine> thats better, wise move.
[05:47] <imachine> :)
[05:47] <kOpter> Have you got issues, imachine :)?
[05:47] <jay> Error = desktop locks up requiring a hard reboot... moves around, but everything else is locked up tight.
[05:47] <imachine> kOpter, probably some.
[05:48] <kOpter> Like family that keeps calling you every second of the day with their computer problems :)?
[05:48] <jay> Will be HAPPY to provide whatever info I have access too.
[05:48] <imachine> kOpter, none are of your business however and lets leave it at that; i'll be sure to turn to the correct authorities when i will realize i need some help.
[05:48] <jay> *sigh*
[05:48] <imachine> jay, only in X, or in console too?
[05:48] <imachine> what's dmesg say
[05:48] <h3sp4wn> jay: Using nvidia binary drivers ?
[05:48] <imachine> Xorg.0.log
[05:49] <imachine> are you using the newest packages
[05:49] <imachine> what kernel are you using.
[05:49] <imachine> etc etc.
[05:49] <jay> h3sp4wn.. yes... nvidia binary drivers.
[05:49] <kOpter> Have you installed the nvidia drivers?
[05:49] <kOpter> Ah
[05:49] <imachine> kOpter, my family lives luckily 1200km away from me.
[05:49] <imachine> kOpter, and regarding computer errors, well, i run a small network.
[05:49] <h3sp4wn> jay: grep -v '^#' /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:49] <imachine> kOpter, so people sometimes do ask me about stuff.
[05:50] <imachine> ah, mad grep skills
[05:50] <imachine> ;-)
[05:50] <h3sp4wn> Not interested in anything commented out (as apt isn't)
[05:50] <jay> Ok.. done... what are we looking for in there?
[05:50] <imachine> yah.
[05:50] <imachine> jay, do what i said before; also what h3sp4wn said.
[05:50] <imachine> s/said/wrote.
[05:50] <imachine> bah
[05:50] <imachine> ;] 
[05:51] <h3sp4wn> jay: mainly whether edgy-security has main restricted multiverse universe enabled
[05:51] <h3sp4wn> jay: dapper-security sorry
[05:51] <imachine> edgy ;] 
[05:51] <jay> edgy-security??
[05:51] <imachine> what's dapper mean anyway.
[05:51] <jay> AH.. ok... LOL
[05:51] <imachine> i need to look it up on google.
[05:52] <jay> Ok... daper-security has main, restricted & universe enabled.
[05:53] <imachine> lol, searching for translations all i find is swear words.
[05:53] <imachine> bah
[05:53] <imachine> ;] 
[05:53] <imachine> jay, throw in multiverse there, well, thats what i did on my ubuntu. maybe thats not wise duno.
[05:54] <jay> Easy enough to give it a try...
[05:56] <jay> Well.. that did bring up some new upgrades.. but none seem related to video system.
[06:02] <jay> bbl
[06:05] <ardea> slm
[06:05] <ardea> hey
[06:05] <ardea> anyone there ?
[06:07] <ninHer> hola a tod@s
[06:08] <erikson> hello...newbie here ...I'm trying to install a tar.gz file not listed in adept or synaptic sources ...how do I do this ?
[06:08] <ardea> which file ?
[06:08] <erikson> streamtuner
[06:08] <ardea> for ?
[06:09] <erikson> multimedia
[06:09] <erikson> i reckon
[06:09] <erikson> internet radio
[06:09] <bleaked> does the helix framework exist at all in kubuntu?  (helix dev files)
[06:09] <adib> hello.. i have a problem with enableing 3d acceleration on my nvdia FX5200 card... after
[06:09] <adib> sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf_backup sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[06:09] <adib> i ghet the error:
[06:09] <ardea> sudo apt-get install streamtuner
[06:10] <imachine> erikson, isn't streamtune enabled in kubuntu
[06:10] <adib> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 154
[06:10] <adib>   Major opcode:  143
[06:10] <adib>   Minor opcode:  3
[06:10] <adib>   Resource id:  0x0
[06:10] <adib> Failed to open device
[06:10] <adib> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 154
[06:10] <adib>   Major opcode:  143
[06:10] <adib>   Minor opcode:  3
[06:10] <adib>   Resource id:  0x0
[06:10] <hub> bleaked: there is helix-player
[06:10] <adib> Failed to open device
[06:10] <adib> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 154
[06:10] <adib>   Major opcode:  143
[06:10] <adib>   Minor opcode:  3
[06:10] <adib>   Resource id:  0x0
[06:10] <adib> Failed to open device
[06:10] <adib> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 154
[06:10] <adib>   Major opcode:  143
[06:10] <imachine> erikson, i think all you need would be just some more sources in /etc/apt/source.list
[06:10] <adib>   Minor opcode:  3
[06:10] <adib>   Resource id:  0x0
[06:10] <adib> Failed to open device
[06:10] <imachine> adib, DO FUCK OFF (excuse my language channel owners)
[06:10] <adib> sry...
[06:10] <imachine> adib, learn to f... use a f... paste bot.
[06:10] <adib> just copy pasted
[06:10] <trappist> yeah don't
[06:11] <imachine> well you better do not do that again, its rude.
[06:11] <erikson> imachine: , no it's not in the kmenu
[06:11] <imachine> erikson, $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:11] <ardea> did you try :   sudo apt-get install streamtuner
[06:11] <imachine> erikson, enable the multiverse and universe
[06:11] <adib> i didn't knew it would send multilined
[06:11] <imachine> i think it's mentioned in the wiki.
[06:11] <DaSkreech> !language
[06:11] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[06:11] <imachine> DaSkreech, yeah yeah i know ;)
[06:11] <DaSkreech> Just had to do it :)
[06:11] <imachine> i just reckon some need a bit of a kick up
[06:11] <imachine> :p
[06:12] <ardea> yes add extra repositories
[06:12] <DaSkreech> You can actually be a lot more expressive if you don't use language like that :)
[06:12] <erikson> hang om imachine..kate editor ?
[06:12] <DaSkreech> PLus it's funnier to read
[06:12] <imachine> erikson, whatever editor you choose.
[06:12] <imachine> DaSkreech, bah ;] 
[06:12] <DaSkreech> You could get bash.orged
[06:12] <imachine> its not supposed to be funny.
[06:12] <imachine> its supposed to get straight to the head.
[06:12] <imachine> ;] 
[06:12] <ninHer> paste bot or paste bin ?
[06:13] <imachine> ninHer, whatever tf
[06:13] <ardea> Let me say ; the best way u can , check the ubuntu guide
[06:13] <imachine> DaSkreech, see how i abbreviated the proper words?
[06:13] <imachine> ;] 
[06:13] <ninHer> what's the meaning of tf
[06:13] <imachine> crap..
[06:13] <imachine> ;>
[06:13] <DaSkreech> tinyfuge?
[06:13] <imachine> yea thats it!
[06:13] <imachine> ;] 
[06:13] <imachine> the fudge.
[06:13] <imachine> whatever the fudge
[06:13] <imachine> ;>
[06:14] <ninHer> ok, thanks
[06:14] <imachine> eh.
[06:14] <imachine> i like #freebsd policy
[06:14] <imachine> keep it cool, swear words and drug talk allowed
[06:14] <imachine> ;)
[06:14] <adib> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 154   Major opcode:  143  Minor opcode:  3  Resource id:  0x0	Failed to open device - when trying to enable 3d acceleration. (sry for my previous mistake)
[06:14] <imachine> just try to do stay ontopic :P
[06:14] <imachine> and all is correct ;>
[06:14] <imachine> ;p
[06:14] <ShuT-> :o
[06:14] <imachine> adib, ok dude, so?
[06:15] <adib> how do get 3d accel?
[06:15] <imachine> i mean you're pasting like error messages here, but so what? i mean, are you even going to tell us what are they realted to?
[06:15] <imachine> or, even more, have you actually asked someone for help, or are you just pasting it in the void.
[06:15] <imachine> meh.
[06:15] <erikson> imachine: I'm not getting any list in the kate
[06:15] <imachine> what card, what drivers, what kernel, what distro etc etc etc.
[06:16] <imachine> erikson, fire up terminal, sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:16] <adib> 2.6.15 FX5200
[06:16] <adib> kubuntu 6.06
[06:16] <imachine> adib, dmesg |grep -i nvidia
[06:16] <trappist> imachine: please refer to the ubuntu code of conduct.  you're not being helpful and you're being awfully disrespectful.  kthx.
[06:16] <imachine> trappist, bah.
[06:16] <trappist> how did I know.
[06:17] <imachine> are you the owner of this channel? if i'm such a problem. do remove me then eh.
[06:17] <imachine> im helping my own way.
[06:17] <imachine> you havent's seen any results yet have you.
[06:17] <imachine> so be patient.
[06:17] <imachine> but i can shut up just as well.
[06:17] <imachine> its not like im getting paid for this.
[06:17] <ShuT-> highlight
[06:17] <ShuT-> :o
[06:17] <ShuT-> oh lol
[06:17] <trappist> if you'd rather shut up than be respectful, please do.
[06:17] <h3sp4wn> imachine: But you are spamming the channel for no reason
[06:17] <imachine> trappist, i dont know where im being disprespectful.
[06:17] <ShuT-> any app for kubuntu to SHOUTcast? I got a server to connect to, to play music .. etc
[06:18] <imachine> trappist, i told the dude what to do, and now he quit.
[06:18] <imachine> who is being disrespectful here?
[06:18] <imachine> im wasting my time trying to help and he just quits, so? ;)
[06:18] <h3sp4wn> !enter
[06:18] <ubotu> Please don't use the "enter" key as punctuation! It spams the channel and can be annoying.
[06:18] <imachine> h3sp4wn, oh well. yeah, the enter thing is quite a pain with me :p i've been an irc user for quite long, i've alqways treated irc as just a real-life talk.
[06:19] <imachine> and i do say a lot in real life during somewhat energetic discussions.
[06:19] <imachine> so excuse me for that but i cant change that.
[06:19] <trappist> imachine: you've been asked to adhere to three different channel guidelines and blown them all off.
[06:19] <h3sp4wn> imachine: My only is that if someone asks a question inbetween all your half sentences then I miss it
[06:19] <trappist> !ops
[06:19] <LjL> imachine, the mere fact that i've now focused my #kubuntu windows and 99% of the messages i'm seeing are from you means there is a problem. at the very least, you're spreading out your sentences into a bit to many messages. at worst, you're offtopic and perhaps you should read the IRC Guidelines better
[06:19] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, uniq, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, or imbrandon
[06:20] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: ?
[06:20] <imbrandon> yes ?
[06:20] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: imachine
[06:20] <imachine> what, should i go away then :)
[06:20] <LjL> !behavior
[06:20] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[06:20] <erikson> so imachine and anyone else who can help , I've done the "sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list" in the terminal ,... now what ?
[06:21] <imbrandon> imachine, last warning , adhear to the CoC or be asked to leave
[06:21] <imachine> erikson, im sorry my way of helping is not appreciated here.
[06:21] <imachine> i will not talk in this channel anymore due to uptight play from the ops ;)
[06:21] <LjL> erikson: is the problem that you don't have universe and/or multiverse enabled by any chance?
[06:21] <imbrandon> it is wanted, just be respectfull about it please
[06:21] <imachine> imbrandon, i am my own way mate.
[06:21] <imachine> if i offend someone, the better they will remember it.
[06:21] <imachine> i suppose im too harsh tho.
[06:22] <imachine> sorry then, im not doing any more volunteer work here.
[06:22] <erikson> LjL: yeah , I tried to do it in Kate editor but there was no response or list generated
[06:22] <charlie5_zzz> anyone know how to get rid of notification message in bottom right corner (has 'hide'/'hide all' buttons, but they dpnt' work)
[06:22] <imbrandon> imachine, you notice i dident /kick you right away, i was meerly watching, just please adhear to the CoC as requested, if you feel that is too much to ask i'm sorry
[06:23] <LjL> erikson: you *can* do it in kate as well (you just need to remember to run it as root, like "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list")
[06:23] <LjL> erikson: after that, you should see a number of lines pointing to various repositories
[06:23] <imachine> imbrandon, yeah, i mean, you are an op for some reason; rarely ops are chosen within somewhat massive channels that have short temper.
[06:23] <imachine> so cheers for that man, but i cant be not myself you know :)
[06:23] <erikson> ok LjL, I'll try that :)
[06:23] <imachine> i suppose then its simply not the place for me and thats all ;] 
[06:23] <LjL> !tell erikson about easysource
[06:24] <imachine> i dont even use kubuntu atm so ;)
[06:25] <imbrandon> well good luck and you always welcome here just be kind is what we ask, lets take this to #kubuntu-offtopic though if you wish to discuss this more
[06:25] <LjL> imachine: well, clearly if you dislike the CoC and the guidelines for this channel, nobody's pointing a gun on you to do any volunteer work here. it's a tradeoff: we might lose valuable people, but we think we gain respect and a "professional" image, if i may say so.
[06:25] <imachine> hmm.
[06:25] <LjL> erikson: the site Ubotu gave you can generate a sources.list with the things you want in it. otherwise, just uncomment the lines containing "universe", and append "multiverse" after them if you also want multiverse
[06:26] <imachine> LjL, if you wish to discuss this i think imbrandon is making a good point.
[06:26] <LjL> erikson: after you're done, "sudo apt-get update" to refresh the cache
[06:26] <imachine> i can join if you guys want to talk about it ;)
[06:26] <LjL> imachine: myself, i'm there already
[06:26] <imachine> ok
[06:26] <imbrandon> me also i idle there ;)
[06:26] <imachine> hmm.
[06:26] <imachine> hang on ;] 
[06:27] <erikson> no, LjL I tried typing root and then the text you wrote but , nothing happens
[06:27] <LjL> erikson: err, where did i tell you to type "root"? :o)
[06:27] <AbeX> hi there
[06:27] <erikson> in kate
[06:27] <ShuT-> hi :)
[06:27] <ninHer> erikson: is it available for you to shift root ?
[06:27] <LjL> erikson: no, i never told you that.   just type "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list" in a shell, and kate will open with a file in it
[06:28] <LjL> erikson: then you need to modify that file to suit your needs
[06:28] <AbeX> now im installing kubuntu... why i ned internet connection for downloading locales? who does it do now? its so long... i have only 160kbps netline
[06:28] <AbeX> need*
[06:28] <AbeX> what*
[06:29] <ninHer> AbeX: ...and you complaint about 160 Kbps
[06:29] <ninHer> uhu
[06:29] <ninHer> i wouldn't tell you my rate
[06:29] <AbeX> ;)
[06:30] <erikson> LjL:  ok thx , I'll try to follow theinstructions on the kubuntu sources page
[06:30] <ShuT-> any app for kubuntu to SHOUTcast? I got a server, so the only thing that i need to do is connect to that server, put some music on .. etc
[06:30] <AbeX> hah
[06:30] <fre1> ShuT-: what do you mean ? 'kubuntu to shoutcast' ?
[06:30] <AbeX> installation complete ;)
[06:31] <ShuT-> well, i had SAM 2 on windows, i just need some alternative of sam 2
[06:32] <fre1> ShuT-: describe sam2
[06:32] <AbeX> well, i'm restarting now. mb serious sam 2? ;)
[06:32] <ShuT-> lol no AbeX
[06:33] <ShuT-> erm, just some app with a Queu where you put music in
[06:33] <ShuT-> and then it should play
[06:33] <AbeX> hm
[06:33] <ShuT-> and enter somewhere a server to connect to
[06:33] <AbeX> i like winamp..
[06:34] <AbeX> oh sorry, its to hot today.. and im installing kubuntu... cya and bb ;)
[06:39] <marianne_> Hi folks!
[06:39] <marianne_> I'm just trying to install ndiswrapper on Dapper, but unfortunately it wont
[06:40] <marianne_> has anyone got an idea where i might get the kernel sources, as they are required
[06:41] <marianne_> hmmm...?
[06:41] <h3sp4wn> linux-headers-386
[06:42] <marianne_> ninHer: Im not registered as yet
[06:43] <marianne_> h3sp4wn: so how would be the argument then? make install <path>
[06:43] <ninHer> marianne_: is it for a pcmcia card or similar ?
[06:43] <marianne_> ninHer: it is for a wlan usb adpter
[06:43] <h3sp4wn> h3sp4wn: sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-386
[06:44] <ninHer> have you done a deep search for the drivers, first ?
[06:45] <marianne_> ninHer: well, I have stabel drivers for the atheron, I guess
[06:45] <marianne_> h3sp4wn: thanks, hope that'll help
[06:45] <stanks> can i install packages from dapper on breezy?
[06:45] <stanks> i am not talking about base system files, but about utils, apps, etc.
[06:46] <ninHer> stanks i think this is a matter of backport at sources.list file
[06:48] <AbeX> when asked for user while installing, i typed root...
[06:49] <LjL> AbeX: cool idea ;)
[06:49] <AbeX> started kde only after console login..
[06:49] <marianne_> AbeX: what about writing whole sentences and not fragments?
[06:50] <matlec> hi everyone
[06:50] <marianne_> ninHer: have you made any experiences related wlan usb adaptors?
[06:50] <LjL> well even judging from the fragments only, if it were me, i'd reinstall. typing "root" instead of any reasonable username when requested is bound to lead to endless trouble IMHO
[06:51] <AbeX> be happy that not each word in each line :D sorry for my english, im from latvia
[06:51] <dr_willis> im suprised the installer even allowed 'root' as a user name.
[06:51] <LjL> dr_willis: the graphical installer is not too smart really
[06:52] <ninHer> marianne_ no experiences
[06:52] <matlec> is there any module in kubuntu which allows to easily switch between multiple soundcards?
[06:53] <JoyiRX> Hallo
[06:53] <dan> use ndis wrapper for wlan usb - assuming it doesn't work out of the box
[06:53] <marianne_> thanks everybody
[06:53] <marianne_> the sources are as well as ndiswrapper installed
[06:53] <marianne_> cu later, folks
[06:54] <ninHer> bye marianne_
[06:54] <dan> have you started the ndis wrapper util?
[06:54] <doppelganger> what exactly does kubuntu-desktop add to kde?
[06:54] <doppelganger> just programs, or does it change the interface completely?
[06:54] <doppelganger> just a general question
[06:55] <AbeX> how can i get "cool" desktop gadjets, like, weatrer or memory meter? :)
[06:55] <bleaked> mostly just a default set of apps, new konqueror profiles, kernel splash screen, etc.
[06:55] <AbeX> weather*
[06:55] <doppelganger> gotcha, thanks bleaked
[06:55] <bleaked> AbeX: look into superkaramba
[06:55] <alex_ndc> Does anyone know of a tutorial on installing Xgl and Compiz on KDE ?
[06:56] <matlec> .. no one?
[06:56] <doppelganger> i miraculously installed it all through adept and it worked
[06:56] <doppelganger> alex
[06:56] <doppelganger> i dunno, having a problem, or just starting from scratch?
[06:56] <bleaked> alex_ndc: there might be a few on ubuntuforums.com
[06:56] <bleaked> matlec: have you tried kmix?
[06:57] <ninHer> AbeX: look for gkrellm ; it has a a lot of plugins to install with
[06:57] <matlec> well, kmix has no influence on amarok
[06:58] <matlec> I had to manually remove the kernel modules of my internal card to be able to play sound files on the right speakers ;-)
[06:58] <matlec> not really intuitive
[06:58] <bleaked> matlec: i don't see a point to having two sound cards?
[06:59] <bleaked> matlec: if you use an external or pci or whatever, disable the internal card in your bios
[06:59] <matlec> bleaked: I own a notebook which has its outputs on the front
[06:59] <matlec> bleaked: and I want to connect my external sound devices
[07:00] <bleaked> matlec: have you asked in #ubuntu-laptop.. my friend had the same issue, and they helped him hash it out
[07:00] <matlec> bleaked: not yet. but the general approach to this problem is to disable the internal card...
[07:01] <matlec> bleaked: which is not possible for me
[07:01] <bleaked> understandable.. well, ask in that channel, and see what they do
[07:02] <matlec> ok, thanks
[07:08] <matlec> the guys at #ubuntu-laptop seem to be sleeping.. ;-)
[07:09] <matlec> well, if there is no easy possibility yet I'm willing to write a sound card settings dialog or sth for (k)ubuntu
[07:12] <erikson> uhoh , I screwed up the apt sources list..."E: Type 'gpg' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list"
[07:12] <erikson> now both adept and synaptic won't open
[07:13] <h3sp4wn> erikson: use easysource
[07:13] <Sunnyblizard> Errors?
[07:13] <h3sp4wn> !easysource
[07:13] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:13] <h3sp4wn> erikson: If that doesn't work do sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntukeyring
[07:14] <erikson> that's what screwed things up, i obviouslt did something wrong from the instructions on that URL
[07:15] <dwangoac> Greetings - I'm going to jump right in with a Kubuntu 6.06 system tray question:
[07:15] <erikson> h3sp4wn: , i get the same error as i quoted
[07:15] <dwangoac> How do you change the system tray icon sizes, or specifically, how do you get them to "bunch" together, two high?
[07:16] <h3sp4wn> erikson: And you have generated a new sources.list with easysource ?
[07:16] <dwangoac> I have one Kubuntu install where the system tray icons are smaller and stacked two high, but the system I upgraded has larger icons that take up the full height.  I've found nothing on Google in the last 45 minutes.
[07:16] <erikson> don't know what easysource is
[07:17] <h3sp4wn> [18:16]  <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:17] <Sunnyblizard> dwangoac: right moude click on taskbar, schoose: configure panel,
[07:17] <doppelganger> quick question-  in Kubuntu i've been using Kfrb (Desktop Sharing), but i'm wanting it (or something else) that i can install that will act like a service, so that i can reboot my computer remotely, and still be able to access it when it gets back to the desktop
[07:17] <Sunnyblizard> choose*
[07:18] <erikson> h3sp4wn: do you mean this : http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[07:18] <h3sp4wn> yes
[07:18] <erikson> oops yeah, thats where i made the mistake , somehow
[07:18] <dwangoac> Sunnyblizard: OK, then where?  I haven't found anything specific to the system tray
[07:19] <dwangoac> Sunnyblizard: Thanks for the help, BTW
[07:19] <Sunnyblizard> size large does the job here?
[07:19] <h3sp4wn> erikson: pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[07:19] <erikson> copied am=nd pasted the instructions in that box into kate
[07:20] <dwangoac> Sunnyblizard: Hmm...  Maybe it's not large enough...
[07:20] <dwangoac> Sunnyblizard: On the system I built from scratch, if I set it to "Normal" size, it stacks them.
[07:20] <erikson> h3sp4wn: it won't generate a list due to the Error
[07:20] <dwangoac> Sunnyblizard: On this one, it does look like setting it to Large causes the icons to get stacked.  I wonder what the difference is...
[07:20] <h3sp4wn> erikson: Put that file onto pastebin and I will take a look at it
[07:21] <matlec> dwangoac: do you have a screenshot?
[07:21] <dwangoac> Screenshot: I can get one, but I think I just figured out the threshold -
[07:21] <amundsen> hi
[07:22] <dwangoac> if you start with Large and then use Custom to inch down one size at a time, you can get the icons to appear with a size of 48
[07:22] <dwangoac> If you start at something smaller than 48 (like, say, 47) and inch your way up, the icons change back to small at 52.
[07:22] <amundsen> i'm trying to play some mp3 in my kubuntu dapper with amarok playaer but this program doesn't even start the song
[07:22] <amundsen> i can lsiten to mp3 with xmms, but not with amarok
[07:23] <timonator> what can be the reason if internet access works with the desktop/live/installcd but not with the installed system?
[07:23] <h3sp4wn> admundsen:  apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[07:23] <amundsen> does anybody know what could i be doing wrong ?
[07:23] <[GuS] > amundsen,  tried to add multiverse repo
[07:23] <h3sp4wn> admundsen:  sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[07:23] <amundsen> h3sp4wn: thx
[07:23] <matlec> dwangoac: seems to be a resizing bug within kde...
[07:23] <[GuS] > and then what h3sp4wn  says
[07:23] <dwangoac> matlec: I'd agree.  How would I submit a bug?
[07:23] <fre1> timonator: check that your network card is properly recognized by your current install
[07:24] <matlec> dwangoac: check the source and fix it :-)
[07:24] <dwangoac> matlec: Heh - I'd love to.  :)
[07:24] <timonator> fre1: it is
[07:24] <fre1> timonator: 'sudo ip link' in a terminal should show a eth0 or something
[07:24] <timonator> uh, ipconfig does
[07:24] <timonator> the thing is
[07:24] <matlec> dwangoac: or try to look if a bug report has already been opened (I'm sure)
[07:24] <fre1> timonator: ok ifconfig shows an ip address for this card too ?
[07:24] <Leafw> what is the proper way to setup the sshd ?
[07:25] <Leafw> 'sshd' doesn't show up in adept
[07:25] <dwangoac> matlec: Where are bug reports for KDE centralized?
[07:25] <matlec> dwangoac: I have the same problem here...
[07:25] <fre1> Leafw: the one which work :)
[07:25] <timonator> when i press reset (like reboot) on the modem (which also is a dhcp server and connects and stuff) i can use the inet for 10 to 15 seconds
[07:25] <dwangoac> matlec: Glad to know I'm not alone.
[07:25] <matlec> dwangoac: bugs.kde.org
[07:25] <fre1> Leafw: 'openssh' in adept
[07:25] <dwangoac> matlec: Thanks again for the assistance.  I think I finally got it set the way I want it.
[07:26] <matlec> dwangoac: that's not my fault :-)
[07:26] <fre1> timonator: oh ok so you already know tthat your box got a dhcp client talking to the (adsl i guess) modem
[07:26] <timonator> not really adsl
[07:26] <fre1> timonator: so now you need to know why it is stopping
[07:26] <timonator> it goes through some weird cable, i think it has to do witzh cable tv
[07:26] <fre1> timonator: the host talk to the modem via ethernet ?
[07:26] <timonator> exactly
[07:26] <erikson> h3sp4wn:  I don't like to repeat myself but the list won't generate , when I try to I get this message :"E: Type 'gpg' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list"
[07:27] <timonator> did i mention? the modem is also a dhcp server
[07:27] <fre1> timonator: ok so it should not make any difference
[07:27] <fre1> timonator: you did. so my advice would be to look at the dhcp client log to see
[07:27] <timonator> ok
[07:27] <GoAhead> hey
[07:27] <timonator> where do i find it?
[07:27] <h3sp4wn> erikson: When you try to open sources.list ?
[07:27] <cox377> Hello all
[07:27] <matlec> dwangoac: this bugs seems to related to our problem (http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55508)
[07:27] <timonator> ah another thing
[07:27] <erikson> I have get rid of the "gpg" error
[07:27] <fre1> timonator: something is happening which make it unusable
[07:27] <erikson> yes h3sp4wn
[07:27] <Search4Lancer> grrrrrr Thunderbird is frozen and won't unfreeze....
[07:27] <fre1> timonator: try /var/log/dhcpsomething
[07:28] <timonator> when i ping the ip of the modem (gateway that is) and then hit the reset button it does the following:
[07:28] <dwangoac> matlec: That looks very close, yes.
[07:28] <jeff_> hey peeps
[07:28] <h3sp4wn> erikson: i.e if you run cat /etc/apt/sources.list you get a gpg error ?
[07:28] <jeff_> anybody here use skype?
[07:28] <cox377> i recently used this command to mount network shares to my kubuntu machine. "mount -t smbfs -o guest //xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/x /home/admin/Desktop/"
[07:28] <timonator> first the host is unreachable. then i get some ping replies and all of a sudden ping is quiet and when exitingf it lists a big amount of packet loss
[07:28] <Search4Lancer> it tried to index a 1.9 GB folder, which is what boned it, but I even went into the drive and moved the folder somewhere else, so now it doesn't have that folder when I start Thunderbird, but it's still frozed, trying to do something from the drive....
[07:28] <_JP> How do I make "Tools->HTLM Settings->Java" retain it's check state regardless of Konqueror restart?
[07:28] <cox377> thing is, it works until i reboot the kubuntu machine then the mounts have been removed and the only way to remount them is run the command ever time
[07:28] <mal_> hi guys
[07:29] <dwangoac> matlec: Thanks again for the help.  I appreciate it - been pulling my hair for 45 minutes (not because it's that big of a deal, but because I knew there was SOME way to change it... : )
[07:29] <mal_> n00b question here
[07:29] <fre1> timonator: hmm but still the ifconfig shows the ip address on the eth0 ?
[07:29] <DaSkreech> dwangoac: Got an answer?
[07:29] <timonator> fre1: uh, i think so
[07:29] <fre1> timonator: hmmm from your last info, dhcp doesnt seems the issue
[07:29] <timonator> forgot, sorry ;(
[07:29] <mal_> is there a dir in *nix for building apps in, like Program Files in Windows?
[07:29] <dwangoac> DaSkreech: For my question?  Yes - Go to large, then select custom and inch the size down until you get to 48.
[07:29] <erikson> h3sp4wn: I get a long explanation of some sort
[07:29] <eliram> hello can anyone help me?
[07:30] <fre1> timonator: maybe the arp ?
[07:30] <Search4Lancer> I think it's time to reboot....
[07:30] <h3sp4wn> erikson: Put the output of that command onto pastebin
[07:30] <h3sp4wn> !pastebin
[07:30] <erikson> ok
[07:30] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)
[07:30] <fre1> timonator: hmmm but you said everything was ok with livecd+install but not in install directly ?
[07:30] <timonator> fre1: after the 15 seconds internet after reset period when i try to manually run the dhcclient it sends requests but doesnt get replies
[07:30] <timonator> fre1: what do you mean by 'livecd+install'?
[07:30] <eliram> how can i run a ftp server in kubuntu?
[07:31] <fre1> timonator:  timonator: what can be the reason if internet access works with the desktop/live/installcd but not with the installed system
[07:31] <h3sp4wn> eliram: sudo apt-get install proftpd
[07:31] <timonator> uh huh
[07:31] <timonator> i am running the livce cd right now
[07:31] <h3sp4wn> eliram: select standalone mode
[07:31] <mal_> is there a dir in *nix for building apps in, like Program Files in Windows?
[07:31] <timonator> and chatting with konversation off the livecd
[07:31] <h3sp4wn> eliram: Or try vsftpd (if you want)
[07:32] <fre1> timonator: hmm ok do you have another box from where you could chat here and try command on the kubuntu ?
[07:32] <fre1> timonator: try them as i tell you i mean
[07:32] <timonator> fre1: no, i do not have a switch or a hub here
[07:32] <fre1> live
[07:32] <timonator> and no neighbours that have open wlans :)
[07:32] <fre1> hmm this make the issue harder to fix
[07:32] <timonator> indeed
[07:32] <hub> timonator: thanks for pinging me
[07:32] <timonator> and currently im running apt-get upgrade
[07:32] <fre1> timonator: ok you could look at dhcp, maybe arp too.
[07:32] <timonator> hub: no problem
[07:33] <erikson> h3sp4wn: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17845
[07:33] <timonator> arp?
[07:33] <fre1> timonator: i dont 'like' the way to ip connectivity suddently stop and moreover only on a installed but not on live cd
[07:33] <fre1> timonator: some protocol below ip
[07:33] <timonator> yes
[07:33] <timonator> it is creepy
[07:33] <timonator> mysterious
[07:33] <h3sp4wn> eliram: sudo netstat -lpAinet (then run that after to check it is listening)
[07:33] <fre1> timonator: do 'arp -a' now
[07:34] <fre1> timonator: maybe i got an idea much simpler.
[07:34] <h3sp4wn> erikson: sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:34] <timonator> will it break my downlopading? from apt-get upgrade?
[07:34] <eliram> thanks
[07:34] <fre1> timonator: maybe your network card stop working due to some kernel issue
[07:34] <timonator> no
[07:34] <timonator> when i restart the modem againm it works again
[07:34] <h3sp4wn> erikson: Use 'dd' to delete the first 3 lines
[07:34] <fre1> timonator: here i specifically think about irqpoll, and acpi
[07:35] <h3sp4wn> erikson: just press d and then d again then finally type :wq!
[07:35] <fre1> timonator: nope 'arp -a' only display the arp table. nothing dangerous or anything
[07:35] <timonator> oke
[07:35] <erikson> h3sp4wn: where ?
[07:35] <timonator> hold on a second :)
[07:35] <fre1> timonator: just to show you what it is
[07:35] <timonator> its german, tho
[07:35] <timonator> ip1.52.1411D-CUD12K-01.ish.de (62.143.52.1) auf 00:50:57:00:55:3B [ether]  auf eth0
[07:35] <h3sp4wn> erikson: In sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:35] <fre1> timonator: ok you can try that when it fails
[07:36] <fre1> timonator: but i think im all wrong in my 'network' way to fix the issue. likely because im a 'network' guy
[07:36] <fre1> timonator: it is more likely a kernel issue.
[07:36] <h3sp4wn> erikson: You could use something other than vim but thats all I use (so can remember the commands off the top of my head)
[07:36] <fre1> timonator: i see that from the 'work on livecd but fail on install'
[07:36] <timonator> does the installed system have another kernel than the livecd does?
[07:36] <h3sp4wn> erikson: But either way you don't need the first 3 lines
[07:36] <erikson> im in the konsol, h3sp4wn
[07:37] <fre1> timonator: so look in /var/log/messages for 'bad' stuff
[07:37] <Search4Lancer> grrrrr Thunderbird still freezes......
[07:37] <timonator> i need to do that in the 'broken' system, right?
[07:37] <timonator> because if so i need to wait another 3/4 hours (33 KB/s updating is a pain!)
[07:37] <fre1> timonator: try to find 'acpi' or 'irqpool' or anything which doesnt look nice :)
[07:38] <fre1> timonator: well note that on paper for later then :)
[07:38] <timonator> uh huh
[07:38] <h3sp4wn> erikons: Just run these commands exactly as I write them (only four lines)
[07:38] <fre1> timonator: and you may try to put 'irqpool acpi=off' as boot option
[07:38] <DaSkreech> eliram: You rpobably want a sftp server
[07:39] <eliram> what is sftp?
[07:39] <Sunnyblizard> secure ftp
[07:39] <eliram> hoo
[07:39] <timonator> fre1: i will try the kernel options
[07:39] <eliram> yes i need a secure ftp
[07:39] <timonator> its not funny how my first attempt to install linux for a friend (a cousin in this case) fails so spectacularly
[07:40] <eliram> i new to linux
[07:40] <h3sp4wn> erikons: sudo -i
[07:40] <h3sp4wn> erikons: echo "deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted multiverse universe" > /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:42] <h3sp4wn> erikons: echo deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-updates main restricted multiverse universe >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:42] <ceplma> Can anybody tell me, how adept_notifier gets updated package lists? Is there some cron task which does it? It seems to me (from looking at the code) that adept_notifier actually doesn't connect to the Internet, just checks whether packages are newer than before.
[07:42] <h3sp4wn> erikons: echo deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-backports main restricted multiverse universe >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:42] <DaSkreech> eliram: install openssh :)
[07:42] <jeff_> whats the hotkey to switch desktops in kubuntu again?
[07:43] <eliram> DaSkreech: Thanks a lot
[07:43] <h3sp4wn> erikons: echo deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main restricted multiverse universe >> /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:43] <ceplma> jeff_: Ctrl-Tab?
[07:43] <h3sp4wn> erikons: The lines should be without spaces but those are all you need in it for all the repos
[07:43] <TheMoebius> I'm trying to use KTorrent to download a series of images and it when I hope the torrent file it says "Error starting torrent : Can't open blahblah.jpg : Too many open files" What the deal?
[07:43] <jeff_> ceplma: i keep trying ti but it doesnt work
[07:43] <gemidjy> how do I make Beagle index my FS
[07:45] <ceplma> jeff_: Control Panel/Regional & Accessibility/Keyboard Shortcuts/Shortcut schemes/Global shortcuts
[07:45] <jeff_> DaSkreech: do you have a (k)(x)ubuntu server? is there a way you can manage an ubuntu server with some sort of gui instead of just a terminal?
[07:45] <jeff_> ceplma: thanks mate
[07:45] <timonator> jeff_: vnc? xdmcp?
[07:46] <DaSkreech> jeff_ Ctrl+F<n>
[07:46] <jeff_> ?
[07:46] <jeff_> timonator: ill check those out
[07:46] <DaSkreech> What do you mean a GUI you installed a server but want a Desktop as well?
[07:47] <jeff_> DaSkreech: yeah, i want apps to help me understand and manage my server because im a complete rookie
[07:47] <abattoir> jeff_: you can install the meta-package kubuntu-desktop to get KDE
[07:47] <jeff_> abattoir: yeah
[07:47] <abattoir> !info kubuntu-desktop
[07:47] <ubotu> kubuntu-desktop: Kubuntu desktop system. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.85 (dapper), package size 11 kB, installed size 40 kB
[07:47] <jeff_> abattoir: i got that far
[07:48] <ceplma> jeff_: It is not clear what exactly would like you like to manage. There are tons of solutions (I am not sure, which one of them are in Ubuntu -- still at plain Debian) like webmin or many others. OTOH I think the best admin tool is ssh+vim :-)
[07:48] <DaSkreech> jeff_: Why are you runing a server then?
[07:48] <abattoir> ok, try 'startx' or 'kdm' as root
[07:48] <jeff_> DaSkreech: because i want a server. i wanna make a website and manage a server
[07:48] <DaSkreech> ha ha ok Fine as long as this isn't for a business :)
[07:49] <timonator> is there a package for the nvidia gfx card drivers or does one have to install them with the installer from nvidia.com?
[07:49] <jeff_> DaSkreech: lol
[07:49] <DaSkreech> jeff_: First of all which desktop do you want?
[07:49] <fre1> kubuntu-desktop: Kubuntu desktop system. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.85 (dapper), package size 11 kB, installed size 40 kB <- wow that a slim kde :)
[07:49] <jeff_> DaSkreech: ubuntu
[07:49] <jeff_> DaSkreech: im not on the server right now
[07:49] <ceplma> jeff_: ssh+vim -- really, life is too short to have to learn BOTH apache configuration and translating between its requirements and weird ideas of whoever made the GUI admin tool.
[07:50] <jeff_> DaSkreech: i installed LAMP on my server at home and ubuntu-desktop
[07:50] <DaSkreech> jeff_:  sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:50] <DaSkreech> And there you go
[07:50] <ceplma> fre1: try apt-cache showpkg kubuntu-desktop or try to select the package in aptitude :-)
[07:50] <jeff_> ceplma: ok
[07:50] <ceplma> jeff_: ehm, but then you are in the wrong channel, aren't you? ubuntu-desktop is Gnome, right?
[07:51] <DaSkreech> He's on KDE right now is my guess
[07:51] <jeff_> ceplma: yeah
[07:51] <jeff_> DaSkreech:
[07:54] <jeff_> ceplma: DaSkreech: have you guys ever tried skype?
[07:54] <DaSkreech> A while back
[07:54] <jeff_> to make a pc to phone call
[07:54] <jeff_> yeah
[07:54] <jeff_> it says its free to call canada
[07:54] <jeff_> which is where i am and where im trying to call
[07:54] <jeff_> but it always says call failed
[07:58] <Lynoure> jeff_: Way back you might have needed a Skype Out contract even when calling cost free landline numbers. Might be still so. Check the company pages for more info
[07:59] <jeff_> thanks Lynoure
[08:00] <DaSkreech> hi imbrandon
[08:01] <imbrandon> heya DaSkreech , and gnight , just laying down for a nap
[08:02] <tom-bar> how to do install latest version of kopete?
[08:02] <Hawkwind> tom-bar: apt-get install kopete and if it's on the repos it will install it or upgrade your current version
[08:03] <h3sp4wn> tom-bar: First update to kde 3.5.3 (instructions on kubuntu.org) then use the packages in riddels home directory
[08:04] <tom-bar> thanks man
[08:04] <tom-bar> "apt-get install kopete " thanks
[08:06] <nigel_> hello
[08:06] <nigel_> anyone here know's how to set your wireless connection to automatically reconnect after disconnection ?
[08:14] <Allegula> Hi, i have a problemm
[08:14] <Allegula> Oh no, it fixes it selfes
[08:14] <Allegula> Anyway, thank you
[08:14] <markrian> No problem!
[08:14] <DaSkreech> Your welcome!
[08:14] <Allegula> ByeBye!
[08:14] <DaSkreech> Please come again!
[08:14] <markrian> hehe...
[08:15] <jaro> SHould I manually install a higher Xorg ??
[08:16] <jaro> and how will I know which Xorg Version ive got ?
[08:17] <uniq> jaro: in konsole type 'X -version'
[08:17] <jaro> X Window System Version 7.0.0
[08:17] <h3sp4wn> jaro: If you want xorg 7.1 you will probably have trouble getting it
[08:17] <jaro> is there a newer Version available ?
[08:17] <jaro> oh
[08:18] <jaro> well the LCD Screen of my laptop is makeing trouble
[08:18] <erikson> I guess I should just reinstall the OS , since can't get adept or synaptic to open to sources.."
[08:18] <erikson> sudo apt-get update
[08:18] <erikson> E: Type 'gpg' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:18] <jaro> right now Im using an external monitor , so it works
[08:18] <uniq> h3sp4wn: as you're up to date on everything. Anything new and cool in 7.1 ? :)
[08:18] <h3sp4wn> erikson: just remove the top three lines
[08:18] <h3sp4wn> uniq: support for aiglx
[08:18] <erikson> tried that , itdidn't work
[08:19] <h3sp4wn> uniq: updated r300 driver (which I wanted to try before I junked my ati card)
[08:20] <h3sp4wn> uniq: Only distro's I know which you can use xorg 7.1 in are gentoo and mandriva cooker (may be others) but binary drivers (fglrx / nvidia) don't work with it
[08:20] <uniq> ok.
[08:20] <Hexidigital> anyone else have problems logging back into KDE when they lock the screen?
[08:20] <uniq> I don't use binary drivers anyway.. but i sure don't want to compile it myself right now.
[08:20] <uniq> hexidigital: not me.
[08:21] <erikson> h3sp4wn: , i saved the source changes in the kate editor , but now I can't find them ...I think that may be trhe problem:(
[08:21] <h3sp4wn> erikson: from run run - kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:23] <jaro> Module em2880_dvb not found.
[08:23] <jaro> how can that be ?
[08:23] <steveire> ubuntuforums is really ugly now. Must find which skin to change back to
[08:23] <jaro> I used it this morning
[08:24] <uniq> jaro: security updates. Did you compile it yourself?
[08:25] <jaro> uniq:  yes
[08:25] <uniq> jaro: then you'll have to do it again, for the new kernel, i guess.
[08:25] <jaro> uniq:  i updatet something today.. what does that mean ?
[08:25] <jaro> uniq:  oh the new kernel
[08:25] <jaro> uniq:  right :(
[08:25] <uniq> new kernel means new modules.
[08:26] <Keltag> What advantages are there to running in 64bit?
[08:26] <steveire> is it possible to use aptitude/apt-get to upgrade only some packages, but not all? I tried sudo aptitude upgrade open*, but that didn't work
[08:26] <erikson> cool h3sp4wn, I removed the first 2 lines that I hgad pasted from the instructions box on the easysource page ...problem solved !  :)
[08:27] <gnomefreak> Keltag: IMHO none
[08:27] <gnomefreak> Keltag: they say its faster
[08:27] <goemon4> hey, does anyone, can anyone help my sync my ipod with amarok...8i cant seem to do it
[08:27] <h3sp4wn> erikson: I thought it would just tryed a few different ways to get that done
[08:28] <Keltag> Ah, i'm running in 32 right now and I wondered if it was going to be worth my time to change over
[08:28] <cox377> does xmms not play video?
[08:28] <h3sp4wn> Keltag: There is now a wrapper for running 32bit firefox modules with firefox 64
[08:28] <erikson> now I need to find more sources without fucking things up :)
[08:29] <h3sp4wn> Non official sources probably will cause you problems
[08:29] <Keltag> h3sp4wn: That's good at least
[08:29] <erikson> yep roger that
[08:30] <erikson> will swiftfox run in32 bit ?
[08:30] <jeff_> does anybody know if kontact has mail grouping by day like in outlook 2003?
[08:31] <danl> I have a serious issue, this morning I installed the new updates, now I can't login from gui, when i login on console it scrolls something about /dev/null and permission denied
[08:32] <cristiano> hello
[08:32] <danl> I have to press cnt+c to stop the scrolling
[08:32] <box> does anybody know how i can kill the GUI like going to runstate 3 or /ect/init.d/kdm stop ?
[08:32] <box> i tryed sevral options though no luck
[08:32] <cristiano> i've problems with key mapping here, it gives me error so accented keys are not working anymore here, and all happens suddenly!!!!how to fix this???
[08:33] <h3sp4wn> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[08:33] <hustla> hi guys ... can someone help me by a dns problem?
[08:33] <box> oh cool
[08:33] <jaro> hm, why is permission denied though i am root ?
[08:33] <box> i totaly forgot about sudo
[08:33] <box> tnx :)
[08:34] <cristiano> hei h3sp4wn i understood that is key mapping the prob, even the icon on the taskbar gives me an error when trying to switch from a map to another :(
[08:34] <hustla> so i tried apt-get update and all i got was error by adresstranslation
[08:34] <steveire> Can you get XGL working on KDE?
[08:34] <Hawkwind> steveire: You can if you wanted
[08:34] <Hawkwind> !xgl
[08:34] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing (window) manager) and XGL (Xserver architecture layered on top of OpenGL) howto at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompositeManager XGL+compiz help in #ubuntu-xgl  See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems
[08:34] <danl> is /dev/null suppose to have a crw------- perms?
[08:35] <bur[n] er_> steveire: i have it working :)  i use compiz
[08:35] <jaro> ah ok.. i had to actually BE root
[08:35] <steveire> I might have a look some time.
[08:35] <h3sp4wn> cristiano: I only use english so can't really help you maybe try room of your native language or is it english
[08:35] <uniq> danl: crw-rw-rw-
[08:35] <steveire> I really want to sort this aptitude thing out though
[08:35] <cristiano> h3sp4wn: it is not related to language
[08:35] <bur[n] er_> anyone around today who knows how to change the default "folder" icon?  i want to use teh tango icon
[08:36] <timonator> who was that who helped me before?
[08:36] <cristiano> h3sp4wn: is a problem related to key mapping in general! it's impossible to define a key map for the keyboard!
[08:36] <timonator> fre1: you still there?
[08:36] <h3sp4wn> cristiano: sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales
[08:36] <cristiano> ok i try
[08:36] <fre1> timonator: yep.. fighthin with gnutls and selfsigne cert
[08:37] <timonator> heh
[08:37] <fre1> timonator: and failling :) but it is unrelated
[08:37] <fre1> timonator: whatsup ?
[08:37] <timonator> i set the two kernel options and it worked shortly after boot, but only fort a short time
[08:37] <timonator> for like... 15 seconds?
[08:37] <fre1> timonator: so no change ?
[08:38] <fre1> timonator: do you run a laptop ?
[08:38] <timonator> well, yes, somehow, i dont recall being able to connect to the net with the install after boot
[08:38] <timonator> i also run a laptop, but it doesnt have kubuntu on it
[08:38] <serenity> does anyone of you know a good mp3 tagger with musicbrainz support?
[08:38] <fre1> timonator: so the failling box is not a laptop ?
[08:38] <bur[n] er_> serenity: rhythmbox?
[08:38] <timonator> exactly
[08:38] <cristiano> h3sp4wn: done
[08:39] <timonator> the laptop i got runs gentoo and it works perfectly
[08:39] <fre1> timonator: hmm i dunno
[08:39] <cristiano> h3sp4wn: now?
[08:39] <h3sp4wn> cristiano: Usually that asks which locales you want to generate
[08:39] <fre1> timonator: more over my brain is off now :) but my guess is the kernel is disabeling your network card
[08:39] <fre1> timonator: if so, it should likely appears in /var/log/messages
[08:39] <cristiano> h3sp4wn: it didn't ask anything, it just regenerate all the locales
[08:39] <timonator> ok ill reboot and see into the file
[08:39] <timonator> bbl
[08:39] <fre1> timonator: what is your network card ?
[08:40] <fre1> ok
[08:40] <h3sp4wn> cristiano: Is your keyboard english or us or ?
[08:40] <uniq> h3sp4wn: it's now localeconf, it's a separate package, download and install.
[08:40] <cristiano> is it
[08:40] <fre1> no channel for poor coder trying to verify selfsigned cert thru gnutls ? :)
[08:40] <cristiano> h3sp4wn: is italian
[08:41] <h3sp4wn> cristiano: Do as uniq says
[08:41] <h3sp4wn> uniq: Cheers
[08:41] <uniq> cristiano: 'sudo apt-get install localeconf'
[08:41] <hustla> hello .. someone who can help me with my DNS prob???
[08:41] <uniq> hustla: yes, please explain to me what the problem is.
[08:42] <roob> hustla: yea
[08:42] <hustla> i cant connect to the internet ... networkinterface is still right configured
[08:42] <cristiano> uniq: done
[08:42] <cristiano> uniq: now what to do?
[08:43] <SpAwN> hustla: check /etc/resolv.conf
[08:43] <hustla> maybe i need to set the dns server
[08:43] <SpAwN> make sure u have entried like nameserver 1.2.3.4
[08:43] <uniq> cristiano: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow localeconf'
[08:43] <uniq> hustla: do you know your isp's nameservers ip addresses?
[08:43] <SpAwN> hustla: u can goto websites if u enter a ip...just not a hostname?
[08:44] <hustla> Konnte http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-updates/Release.gpg nicht holen  Temporrer Fehlschlag beim Auflsen von de.archive.ubuntu.com
[08:44] <h3sp4wn> hustla: (if you need a dns server to test with try 194.112.32.1 (I know I built it a few years ago its never down)
[08:44] <SpAwN> hustla: i am in eastcoast usa..but here is 2 nameservers i use
[08:44] <SpAwN> nameserver 71.243.0.12
[08:44] <SpAwN> nameserver 151.203.0.85
[08:45] <SpAwN> that way u should at least be able to google for more nameservers closer to you
[08:45] <fre1> hustla: do 'ping 71.243.0.12' to see if you got answer
[08:45] <cristiano> uniq: done
[08:46] <cristiano> uniq: now?
[08:46] <hustla> i can't write to resolve.conf
[08:46] <SpAwN> sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf
[08:46] <uniq> cristiano: didn't you get the option to choose and configure locale?
[08:47] <cristiano> yep i did it so
[08:47] <h3sp4wn> hustla: Any changes you make to resolv.conf will be lost on reboot
[08:47] <cristiano> uniq: yep i had it and i chose
[08:47] <erikson> what's the ubuntu easysource URL ?
[08:47] <erikson> google does have it
[08:47] <erikson> not
[08:48] <SpAwN> hustla: i make a /etc/resolv.conf.backup ....then if they get erases i just replace the old one
[08:48] <BurnyFree> Hi
[08:48] <uniq> hustla: echo -e 'nameserver 195.20.224.101 \n nameserver 212.227.123.15' > /etc/resolv.conf
[08:48] <hustla> [20:48]  <hustla> cant do changes with the resolvconf -a #####
[08:48] <BurnyFree> WHere can i find the libdvdcss2 file?
[08:49] <BurnyFree> i want to watch dvd and have heard that this file is required
[08:49] <fre1> hustla: maybe you should test your ip connectivity first ? :)
[08:49] <uniq> hustla: that is one command on one line. I wouldn't bother backing it up as it's a 3 line file and in it's current state it doesn't work for you. Do you use resolvconf by the way?
[08:49] <cristiano> uniq: it has updated locales but the keyboard mapping still doesn't work (for any language)
[08:49] <uniq> cristiano: console keyboard mappings?
[08:49] <cristiano> uniq: every apps key mapping
[08:49] <hugelmopf> !tell BurnyFree about libdvdcss
[08:49] <hustla> yes but it doesn't work
[08:49] <uniq> cristiano: in X?
[08:50] <h3sp4wn> hustla: to make them permanent you need to edit  /etc/dhclient.conf (if you are using dhcp)
[08:50] <cristiano> uniq: the icon in the task bar for the key map change tells me that there is an error
[08:50] <cristiano> uniq: yes in all X
[08:50] <uniq> cristiano: what is the error message?
[08:50] <hustla> no i don't want to use dhcp ... it's a static server
[08:51] <cristiano> uniq it says "error in changin keymapping"
[08:51] <Lynoure> erikson: not easysource, but easyubuntu?
[08:52] <cristiano> uniq: it looks like X is not accepting any keymap
[08:52] <uniq> cristiano: strange. works perfectly here. in system settings - regional and accessibillity - keyboard layout  do you have a list of country layouts?
[08:53] <cristiano> uniq: yes
[08:53] <cristiano> uniq: but whatever i choose it doesn't work
[08:53] <erikson> yeah thx Lynoure , found the sources list ...now what? . Do I copy and paste them into synaptic or ?
[08:54] <uniq> cristiano: is this dapper drake?
[08:54] <cristiano> uniq: yes
[08:54] <cristiano> uniq: the problem happened suddenly
[08:54] <uniq> cristiano: did you try to logout and re-login
[08:55] <cristiano> uniq: i just tried installing cedega 5.0.1 and it downloaded something related to win-fon or so and then everything was messed up
[08:55] <cristiano> uniq: yes i also restarted
[08:55] <uniq> cristiano: is this a problem for other users too?
[08:56] <uniq> cristiano: if you create a test-user, and login to kde, does this problem remain?
[08:56] <cristiano> i'll try just a mom
[08:56] <hugelmopf> !tell erikson about sources
[09:00] <danl> what is the permissions for /dev/null suppose to be?
[09:00] <uniq> danl: 666
[09:01] <uniq> danl: that's crw-rw-rw-
[09:01] <danl> ok
[09:01] <danl> thanks
[09:02] <danl> cause mine is crw-------
[09:02] <danl> i guess thats what causing my problems
[09:02] <cristiano> uniq: nothing to do :(
[09:02] <Hexidigital> anyone have problems with the KDE lock screen feature? i.e. logging back in?
[09:02] <uniq> cristiano: doesn't work there either?
[09:02] <cristiano> uniq: even in the login page accented keys (even if shifted or alted) work
[09:02] <cristiano> sry i mean didn't work
[09:03] <danl> omg, thank you so muhc uniq
[09:03] <danl> i can login now :-D
[09:04] <mikearthur> why does postfix give me a "postalias: fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: Permission denied" I'm root!
[09:04] <cristiano> uniq: i really dunno what to do with my key mapping :(
[09:04] <MitchM> postfix runs as a specified user
[09:05] <bam_> anyone know where the right click menu items are kept.....
[09:05] <danl> like i said, thanks uniq.
[09:07] <uniq> danl: you're welcome. You might want to look at /etc/udev/permissions.d/udev.permissions and make sure the entry for /dev/null is setup correctly.
[09:08] <cristiano> uniq: i'll have a reboot now but honestly i dunno what to do :(
[09:08] <uniq> cristiano: you can set the keyboard layout in X itself. try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'
[09:08] <mikearthur> why does postfix give me a "postalias: fatal: open database /etc/aliases.db: Permission denied" I'm root!
[09:08] <visik7> mikearthur: you but not the user used to run postfix
[09:09] <visik7> check permiss and try again
[09:09] <doppelganger> anyone run vnc server on their machine?
[09:10] <doppelganger> (kubuntu machine)
[09:10] <doppelganger> a vnc server of any kind
[09:10] <timonator> heya
[09:10] <doppelganger> i know there's a built in one kfrb or something, but i need one that'll run as a service
[09:11] <doppelganger> so i can remotely shut down my machine and be able to log back into it
[09:11] <timonator> fre1: interesting stuff. now i was able to browse a bitz through the net, but then it froze. before that i rmmodded and then modprobed the tulip module
[09:11] <MitchM> you search apt-cache yet?
[09:11] <uniq> mikearthur: try 'sudo lsattr /etc/aliases.db'
[09:11] <timonator> next time i tried it my keyboard stopped working
[09:11] <timonator> and now it didnt have any effect at all
[09:11] <timonator> fre1: do you think buying a new (realtek!) network card would help?
[09:11] <mikearthur> uniq: the file doesn't exist, apt deletes it every time it tries to install postfix, then complains about no permisions
[09:12] <cristiano> nothing to do :(((((((((((((((((((
[09:12] <uniq> mikearthur: hah.. that's strange.
[09:12] <uniq> cristiano: no dice?
[09:12] <cristiano> uniq:  no :(
[09:12] <mikearthur> uniq: managed to fix it myself :D
[09:12] <kiwnix> doppelganger: try vnc4server ... or tightvncserver
[09:12] <cristiano> it looks like linux is not accepting key maps anymore :'(((((((
[09:12] <uniq> cristiano: what exactly was it you were installing when this broke?
[09:12] <fre1> timonator: well the fact you get it working on livecd tells a lot
[09:13] <MitchM> doppelganger: Whats run with using any VNC program and starting it from SSH?
[09:13] <timonator> get it working? that sounds like i have to do something in order to make it work
[09:13] <cristiano> uniq: i was installing cedega, is asked to install something about fonts during setup wizard, i restarted pc and suddenly i saw that accented keys (even if alted or shifted) weren't working
[09:13] <doppelganger> i'm not worried about the security
[09:13] <doppelganger> honestly
[09:14] <doppelganger> it's going through a secure enough connection, it's inside my lan
[09:14] <MitchM> doppelganger: sudo apt-get install doppelganger
[09:14] <MitchM> bah.
[09:14] <fre1> timonator: well i have to go. good luck
[09:14] <MitchM> doppelganger: sudo apt-get install vnc4server
[09:14] <doppelganger> i just need a vnc program for kde with a proven, working service mode
[09:14] <doppelganger> something i don't have to go configure a bunch of files to get working
[09:15] <MitchM> and you have tried kdrc?
[09:15] <timonator> oh noes
[09:15] <MitchM> krdc*
[09:15] <doppelganger> i've seen krdc in adept
[09:15] <uniq> cristiano: i have no more suggestions. It's very hard to help when i don't know what this magic installing stuff has done to break stuff for you.
[09:15] <doppelganger> haven't tried it, it supports service?
[09:15] <MitchM> looking now
[09:15] <doppelganger> i'll google, no worries
[09:15] <uniq> krdc is slow and not very good.
[09:16] <uniq> imho.
[09:16] <doppelganger> slowness be damned, i just need access
[09:16] <doppelganger> =)
[09:16] <MitchM> look @ sudo apt-cache search vnc
[09:16] <timonator> my aunt is going to write a flam FAX to her ISP for not supporting linux on the techsupport phone line o_O
[09:16] <doppelganger> did already
[09:16] <cristiano> uniq: i appreciated ur help though :) in the worst case tomorrow i'll be reinstalling linux again ;)
[09:16] <ninHer> why don't you try x11vnc ?
[09:16] <scott> hey, wondered if anyone could help. using the latest ati fglrx drivers, google earth (also latest version) hard locks after only a minute or two of using it, anyone have any ideas why/fixes to the problem??
[09:16] <doppelganger> i see a thousand different ones
[09:17] <doppelganger> i just wanted a good solid one that i don't have to go into text files configuring properly
[09:17] <doppelganger> for service mode, that is
[09:17] <doppelganger> everyone one i've researched you've gotta do this, do that
[09:17] <doppelganger> blah, i just need a quick working m'fer
[09:17] <MitchM> Everything takes _some_ setup.
[09:17] <doppelganger> lol
[09:17] <doppelganger> i'm fine in gui
[09:18] <ninHer> doppelganger: give it a try to x11vnc
[09:18] <doppelganger> get pissy in texts when in a hurry
[09:18] <scott> command line > gui
[09:18] <MitchM> rgr that scott
[09:18] <scott> car eto help me with my problem ;)
[09:18] <doppelganger> i'll look that up ninHer, thank you
[09:18] <scott> *care to
[09:18] <doppelganger> and kdrc
[09:18] <MitchM> whats the problem?
[09:18] <MitchM> get back to us doppelganger if you dont figure out anything
[09:18] <doppelganger> thanks guys for the suggestions, btw
[09:18] <scott> latest ati fglrx driver and goolgle earth, i get hard lockups
[09:19] <MitchM> eek.
[09:19] <MitchM> Definetly not a question for myself.
[09:19] <scott> :(
[09:19] <MitchM> ask around :-P
[09:19] <scott> it happened in previous ati drivers too, so its not just the latest
[09:19] <scott> will do ;)
[09:19] <scott> might try in #ubuntu ;)
[09:19] <MitchM> aye, good idea.
[09:19] <MitchM> You have JFGI eh?
[09:20] <ninHer> doppelganger: http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/
[09:20] <doppelganger> looks... configuring-ish
[09:20] <doppelganger> lol
[09:20] <MitchM> lolz.
[09:20] <doppelganger> well... here's my problem
[09:20] <doppelganger> i'm remoting into that machine from work, or trying to
[09:21] <MitchM> what all do you need to do?
[09:21] <MitchM> SSH should work fine.
[09:21] <doppelganger> well, i'm already remoted in as we speak, only because i started a session this morning htrough the desktop sharing app already in kubuntu
[09:21] <erikson> strange that apt-file isn't in the sources list
[09:21] <doppelganger> but...  i need to reboot the pc, and i need to make ****SURE**** i can get back in
[09:21] <MitchM> apt-get isntall ssh
[09:21] <MitchM> then ssh in and open the program
[09:22] <ninHer> no, MitchM it will not work
[09:22] <MitchM> not for GUI stuff
[09:22] <h3sp4wn> openssh-server
[09:22] <h3sp4wn> Use freenx for gui stuff
[09:22] <ninHer> ssh needs an open computer to work and i guess he means reboot the box
[09:22] <MitchM> but after the computer reboots
[09:23] <MitchM> SSH is loaded by default
[09:23] <MitchM> allowing him access again
[09:23] <doppelganger> i need to see the kubuntu (kde, whatever) desktop
[09:23] <h3sp4wn> Setup freenx before you reboot
[09:23] <ninHer> but this is not the point
[09:23] <h3sp4wn> !freenx
[09:23] <ubotu> freenx is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreeNX
[09:23] <doppelganger> hmm, ok
[09:23] <MitchM> I second ubotu's idea.
[09:23] <h3sp4wn> If ssh is already working then freenx works over ssh so you will have no problems
[09:23] <doppelganger> if it weren't so mission critical i wouldn't be so picky right now
[09:24] <h3sp4wn> mission critical using vnc ? rofl
[09:24] <doppelganger> lol
[09:24] <ShuT-> lol
[09:24] <grizzly> Exactly which is the package for virtual desktops? and can it be replaced?
[09:24] <doppelganger> well..  i'm new to linux anyways..  i'm doing what i can
[09:24] <doppelganger> =P
[09:24] <doppelganger> i'm a wee noob, there i said it
[09:24] <timonator> noobie! noobie!
[09:25] <MitchM> use vim -- its your friend.
[09:25] <h3sp4wn> doppelganger: Well why are you responsible for mission critical stuff ?
[09:25] <MitchM> *chuckles*
[09:25] <doppelganger> well to me it's mission critical  =S
[09:25] <doppelganger> lol
[09:25] <scott> i hate vim :(
[09:25] <MitchM> aww!
[09:25] <MitchM> take it back
[09:25] <timonator> scott: go get a life!
[09:25] <scott> nano much easier ;)
[09:25] <timonator> :P
[09:25] <MitchM> no no no *shakes head*
[09:25] <scott> :P
[09:26] <MitchM> =)
[09:26] <MitchM> vim = cooler
[09:26] <scott> geekier yes ;)
[09:26] <doppelganger> !vim
[09:26] <h3sp4wn> nano is annoying if you want to go that way you should use emacs
[09:26] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), vi/vim (terminal-based), terminal based: vi/vim, emacs, nano (user-friendly). HTML/CSS editors: !html; Programming: !code
[09:26] <ninHer> i love vim
[09:26] <timonator> vim == t3h l33t pwn4g3
[09:26] <MitchM> yes. see... everyone cool loves vim.
[09:26] <doppelganger> eh
[09:26] <scott> hhaha
[09:26] <MitchM> be cool; use vim.
[09:26] <scott> im not cool :(
[09:26] <MitchM> lol.
[09:26] <timonator> if things are dim, give em vim :x
[09:26] <scott> pretty hot at this moment :(
[09:26] <ninHer> so, don't use vim....
[09:27] <MitchM> we could make the new Vim sloan
[09:27] <MitchM> slogan*
[09:27] <scott> bah, no one is helping me with my google earth problem :(
[09:27] <timonator> go ahead, whats your idea?
[09:27] <MitchM> aye. Google earth is too new.
[09:27] <h3sp4wn> scott: installed it with sudo and you can not run it as a user ?
[09:27] <MitchM> may have trouble with that one
[09:27] <timonator> scott: i would like to, but i have a pretty huge problem here as well
[09:27] <scott> h3sp4wn: no, it hard locks on me :(
[09:28] <h3sp4wn> scott: Never worked once ?
[09:28] <scott> timonator: cool name
[09:28] <MitchM> I mainly run command-line server; so the graphics stuff is over my head.
[09:28] <scott> h3sp4wn: yeah it loads and works, but hard locks after a minute or two
[09:28] <timonator> scott: thanks, i thought it up when i was like 10 or so :)
[09:28] <h3sp4wn> scott: ati video card ?
[09:28] <scott> h3sp4wn: yes
[09:28] <scott> h3sp4wn: latest ati fglrx drivers
[09:28] <scott> although it hardlocked with previous drivers too
[09:29] <h3sp4wn> I reacently junked my ati and got nvidia (fed up of poor drivers)
[09:29] <timonator> \o/  @ h3sp4wn
[09:29] <scott> gonna do the same when i can afford a new mobo, processor, ram, graphics card, hard drive :(
[09:29] <Lynoure> Whatever works, work
[09:29] <scott> and case :(
[09:29] <timonator> +s
[09:30] <h3sp4wn> Ati doesn't work properly most of the time (well didn't for me)
[09:30] <Lynoure> h3sp4wn: I was born lucky :)
[09:30] <[GuS] > never works fine ati...
[09:30] <scott> caus ati on linux sucks balls
[09:30] <[GuS] > not just on linux :P
[09:31] <scott> works a damnsite better on winblows than linux tbh ;O)
[09:31] <h3sp4wn> Lynoure: I did get it working better (i.e not locking up on reboot) but had to use my own kernel - (apply the highmem.h patch to get it looking right) but the opensource drivers only lasted about 30 seconds
[09:31] <h3sp4wn> Lynoure: Probably as I have an nforce motherboard and nvidia deliberately breaks ati working with it though
[09:32] <Lynoure> h3sp4wn: For a while I wished you were talking about the hp 1022. But I guess weekend will be spend compiling and stracing away
[09:32] <scott> thinkin of ditchin k(ubuntu) for gentoo or debian
[09:33] <gatekeeper> thanx Lynoure for dpkg -l :-)
[09:33] <MitchM> scott.. never!
[09:33] <h3sp4wn> Lynoure: I have a hp laserjet 4 - works perfectly and built like a tank - I use lpd (no cups) never had any trouble had the /etc/termcap for years
[09:33] <scott> it feels a bit bloated :(
[09:33] <MitchM> Ubuntu is based off debain..
[09:33] <MitchM> aww.
[09:33] <Lynoure> gatekeeper: :)
[09:33] <scott> but with debian you get bare bones and get to choose :)
[09:33] <MitchM> well..
[09:33] <MitchM> apt-get remove
[09:33] <MitchM> or install Gnome
[09:33] <MitchM> sounds like you'd like gnome better
[09:34] <jaro> [17181019.104000]  usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 92
[09:34] <jaro> [17181030.648000]  usb 1-1: device not accepting address 92, error -110
[09:34] <jaro> whats wrong ?
[09:34] <h3sp4wn> scott: You wouldn't notice much difference - and if you were intending to use unstable you would get next to no help in #debian etc
[09:34] <Lynoure> h3sp4wn: I used to have the huge network version of hp lj 4, but it was too huge and I couldn't fit it with me when I moved. And this baby worked fine in Debian, so I was in shock when it didn't in ubuntu
[09:34] <scott> i ditched gnome for kde tbh ;)
[09:34] <jaro> it used to work before with old kernel
[09:34] <h3sp4wn> Lynoure: Mine is pretty huge but connected by a parallel port
[09:34] <scott> anyone else seen the troubleshooting guide for ati cards?
[09:34] <scott> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Troubleshooting
[09:34] <MitchM> aye. I like Kde better
[09:34] <Lynoure> h3sp4wn: But at least I know it can work in linux, and can work very easily in some cases,  which is goodness
[09:35] <MitchM> yeah...
[09:35] <MitchM> should be some support out there
[09:35] <MitchM> you google it of course?
[09:35] <gatekeeper> timonator: want to give gentoo a go, probable when the weather gets miserable
[09:35] <scott> tried, get nothing (well nothing related, they just waffle on bout google earth being released for linux :()
[09:35] <h3sp4wn> Lynoure: Try getting the latest version of cups from sid (instead of the broken version in dapper - (deb-src) and apt-get -b source
[09:35] <Lynoure> h3sp4wn: mine was, if I remember right, about 70cm x 75 cm x 30 cm. Too huge, that. Having a netwrok printer was nice, though
[09:36] <timonator> gatekeeper: heh, you mean when it gets cold? :)
[09:36] <scott> gentoo is excellent, although i triedf it at a time when i was probably too newb to full run it smoohtly, ie, i had like 1200 config files that needed updating and i didnt update a single one ;)
[09:36] <h3sp4wn> Lynoure: Mine is about that size
[09:36] <Lynoure> h3sp4wn: So far I was betting my money on getting a newer versio of hplip
[09:36] <MitchM> I tampered with linux forever because my job required... but really enjoyed the ubuntu expreince; got me hoooked.
[09:37] <gatekeeper> timonator: well summer has arrived so there is no way I going to be spending too much time with my pc when I can be soaking up the rays :-)
[09:37] <MitchM> experience*
[09:37] <timonator> o_O
[09:37] <gatekeeper> have to make the most of it
[09:37] <h3sp4wn> Lynoure: I don't know anything about printing (other than cups on dapper is pretty broken) - mine just works has for ages (You don't learn about stuff without experiencing issues I suppose)
[09:37] <timonator> how can i make apt-cache show available and installed versions of packets?
[09:37] <Lynoure> h3sp4wn: I would have tried hplip from sid but it didn't play nice with ubuntu package numbering
[09:38] <gatekeeper> h3sp4wn: there was a load of updates the other day, nothing improved?
[09:38] <timonator> or only search for installed packages?
[09:38] <scott> could my goolgle earth hardlocks be because of settings like these two in my xorg.conf? Option	    "UseInternalAGPGART" "no" and Option	    "KernelModuleParm" "agplock=0"
[09:39] <Lynoure> gatekeeper: I haven't tried since... I should
[09:39] <gatekeeper> timonator: dpkg -l
[09:39] <timonator> thanks
[09:39] <Lynoure> gatekeeper: :)
[09:39] <gatekeeper> Lynoure: gave me a few minutes ago timonator:
[09:39] <Lynoure> gatekeeper: putting it in good use, aren't you :)
[09:39] <erikson> what's the URL for Automatix pls ?
[09:39] <timonator> dpkg -i doesnt seem so search for stuff
[09:39] <gatekeeper> yep
[09:39] <timonator> hehe
[09:39] <newbie_> hi @ll
[09:39] <gatekeeper> sure am :-)
[09:40] <newbie_> can anyone help me with my dhcp problem?
[09:40] <Lynoure> newbie_: possibly, if you give details of it
[09:40] <dein> im having troubles with pitivi
[09:41] <newbie_> i wanted to install xubuntu using the install cd ... during installation dhcp failed
[09:41] <Lynoure> timonator: -i is install, what gatekeeper said was -l
[09:41] <timonator> ah, is that an l? or a big i?
[09:41] <dein> its reliant on gstreamer, and i've never gotten gstreamer to work right
[09:41] <newbie_> so i decided to install it later on
[09:41] <newbie_> but i can't get it working ..
[09:41] <Lynoure> timonator: l like Lynoure without the caps
[09:42] <timonator> ?
[09:42] <SpAwN> hello all im trying to use my 120 gig external usb driver....i pluged it in and it didnt show up in mdeia or my desktop so here is the output of dmesg...can anyone help me get it mounted? http://pastebin.ca/86341
[09:42] <Lynoure> timonator:   man dpkg   if you are confused
[09:42] <newbie_> when i use sudo ifup eth0 i get ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0
[09:42] <MitchM> pastebin /etc/network/interfaces
[09:42] <MitchM> newbie_
[09:43] <newbie_> how should i do it .. linux isn't running here
[09:43] <MitchM> so where is your linux machine?
[09:43] <Lynoure> SpAwN: What's in it at the moment? which filesystem, if any?
[09:43] <SpAwN> fat
[09:43] <timonator> can anyone help me with trying to install a newer version of the tulip driver? :o
[09:43] <SpAwN> fat32 i think
[09:44] <newbie_> my linux machine is a different machine
[09:44] <newbie_> this one is windows xp driven
[09:44] <MitchM> are you using DHCP?
[09:44] <newbie_> yes
[09:44] <SpAwN> Lynoure, b4 i just plugged it in and it showed up...was nice....but now i just need to xfer files off of it
[09:44] <MitchM> make sure that the listing for eth0 is as follows:
[09:45] <MitchM> auth eth0
[09:45] <MitchM> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[09:45] <Lynoure> SpAwN: That you can prolly handle :)
[09:45] <MitchM> auto eth0*
[09:45] <MitchM> in the file /etc/network/interfaces
[09:45] <MitchM> then do a sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[09:46] <SpAwN> Lynoure, huh?
[09:46] <Lynoure> SpAwN: That if you got it to show now, transferring files is somethin you do probably know how to do :)
[09:47] <SpAwN> i DIDNT get it to show up
[09:47] <Lynoure> SpAwN: oh sorry, I'm acronym blind
[09:47] <SpAwN> Lynoure, hehe
[09:47] <Lynoure> b4 looks like a typo to me, not like a word :)
[09:48] <SpAwN> Lynoure, dmesg shows it connecting...but i just dont know what to mount
[09:48] <Lynoure> SpAwN: So, what changes meanwhile? and what does your lsubs say when you have it plugged and on?
[09:48] <newbie_> it displays dhcpdiscover messages with different intervals (4,6,15,20,16)
[09:48] <newbie_> then it tells me "no dhcpoffers recceived. no working leases in persistent database -sleeping"
[09:48] <h3sp4wn> Lynoure: I don't think building the sid hplip - Is going to be that easy (uses -U for patch which makes it less trivial)
[09:49] <SpAwN> roob@WeEdBuNtU:~$ lsusb
[09:49] <SpAwN> Bus 005 Device 002: ID 0d49:7010 Maxtor
[09:49] <SpAwN> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[09:49] <SpAwN> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[09:49] <Lynoure> h3sp4wn: doesn't have to be easy, I'll settle for doable
[09:50] <Lynoure> h3sp4wn: And if I get all too frustrated about it, I'll pack my things and move back to sid.
[09:50] <h3sp4wn> Lynoure: Good idea (its not that unstable anyway)
[09:50] <Lynoure> SpAwN: ah. usb things kinda should automount, if all things are well
[09:50] <Lynoure> h3sp4wn: I have been on debian unstable since... 2000, I think
[09:50] <SpAwN> where do they mount to /media?
[09:51] <Lynoure> h3sp4wn: Hmm, no, first I lived a year dangerously on testing :)
[09:51] <h3sp4wn> Lynoure: I went down that road once (having to update to a new version of debhelper to build something)  its just a pain
[09:51] <Lynoure> h3sp4wn: wanted to see what ubuntu was all about and found out that I'm a command line kind of girl at heart
[09:52] <newbie_> MitchM ? still here?
[09:52] <SpAwN> Lynoure, i unplugged/replugged it in...it showed up...sorry to waste your time
[09:52] <Lynoure> SpAwN: yep, to /media
[09:52] <timonator> what network cards can you guys recommend
[09:52] <Lynoure> SpAwN: I wouldn't have offered it if I minded.
[09:52] <SpAwN> Lynoure,its appreciated =D
[09:53] <Lynoure> SpAwN: When I'm feeling tired/cranky/unhelpful I just keep quiet.
[09:53] <steveire> Who knows enough about users in ubuntu to answer this? >>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=214356
[09:54] <scott> thats it, had enough, gonna buy an ati card this weekend :mad:
[09:54] <scott> nvidia erven
[09:54] <scott> even
[09:54] <Lynoure> steveire: I'm not competing on undescribed urls, but prolly some other people will...
[09:55] <steveire> Lynoure: I'm not sure what you mean about an undescribed URL. I want to install AMP for one user only, and not allow that user to access internet services.
[09:55] <newbie_> mitchm: do you have an idea how to overcome the issues?
[09:56] <Lynoure> steveire: lots of people point to urls. They are more interesting when the general content of them has been described.
[09:56] <doppelganger> damned compiz and kde...
[09:56] <doppelganger> ruining my konqueror
[09:56] <doppelganger> er
[09:56] <doppelganger> wait, nvm
[09:57] <steveire> ah, yes. Any idea about the user rights issue?
[09:57] <h3sp4wn> doppelganger: trying to use compiz-kde ? Is it working ?
[09:57] <doppelganger> damned compiz-kde for not working, rather
[09:57] <doppelganger> compiz-gnome under kubuntu works fine, but kills kon
[09:57] <doppelganger> obviously, i guess
[09:57] <h3sp4wn> I didn't know compiz-kde worked at all
[09:57] <doppelganger> i don't think it does
[09:57] <doppelganger> doesn't do sh*t for me
[09:58] <Desh> Hi, can someone tell me how I would exit from w3m in command line mode?
[09:58] <doppelganger> if i use the compiz-gnome instead...  is there some way to install nautilus to where it is the default for opening folders and such?
[09:58] <doppelganger> easily?
[09:59] <doppelganger> althought i f'ing hate nautilus
[09:59] <doppelganger> argh, brb, phone
[09:59] <uniq> desh: ctrl-q
[09:59] <steveire> I guess nobody knows...
[09:59] <Desh> uniq: thanks. :)
[10:00] <uniq> steveire: nobody knows what?
[10:00] <Desh> doppleganger: you should be able to right click a folder and select "Open With" and select nautilus and select is as the program to use all the times.
[10:01] <CactusWiZaRd> hello everyone
[10:01] <steveire> uniq: I wan't Apache to be available to only one user, so that I'm not running a webserver while browsing
[10:01] <Desh> doppleganger: Or, on a right click and Properties, click the little tool icon and you can set default poggies to use.
[10:01] <scott> any idea how i can black list a driver?
[10:01] <Lynoure> uniq: I have hard time figuring out the questions... sessions are easy to switcch back and forth, unless he means something else with a session. And apache user is configurable, easy to find in just about any apach howto
[10:01] <Lynoure> s/apach/apache
[10:02] <uniq> steveire: should the webserver be accessible for you only?
[10:02] <doppelganger> alright, back
[10:02] <uniq> lynoure: understand..
[10:02] <doppelganger> Desh- gotcha, thanks
[10:02] <doppelganger> i'm new to linux, my apologies
[10:02] <CactusWiZaRd> can Kubuntu be installed to an computer where's win2k already?
[10:02] <Desh> doppleganger: hope that works. :) No problem.
[10:03] <Desh> doppleganger: I'm pretty new too, what I know is from problems I've run into.
[10:03] <h3sp4wn> steveire: You could install squid only allow connections through 127.0.0.1 and force people to authenticate before they go online (but you will have to read how to do it yourself I haven't the time to explain every little step)
[10:03] <Lynoure> I think I'll opt for the option z, movie ,followed by sleep :)
[10:04] <steveire> So I can find some apache config file and stop the apache server from starting before any user has logged in, then start it only if the user 'testserver' logs in?
[10:04] <uniq> doppelganger: nothing to be apologize for, this channel is for those of us that need help sometimes :)
[10:04] <doppelganger> I wonder if the "system settings" panel under kubuntu is KDE specific, or kubuntu-desktop specific
[10:04] <doppelganger> i like the way it's laid out
[10:04] <CactusWiZaRd> fuck i'm losing my nerve with this Kubuntu... ;E
[10:04] <doppelganger> lol, whats wrong Cactus
[10:04] <[GuS] > ?
[10:04] <uniq> cactuswizard: what's the problem?
[10:04] <Lynoure> CactusWiZaRd: in short, yes it can, and usually quite easily.
[10:05] <ShuT-> idd :f
[10:05] <gatekeeper> CactusWiZaRd: yes you can dual boot, but you may need to shrink your partition to make room for linux
[10:05] <[GuS] > sometimes ignorance is the problem :P
[10:05] <CactusWiZaRd> uniq & doppelganger: it throws some logical block on hdc
[10:05] <uniq> steveire: sure, that's possible.
[10:05] <jaro> whats up with the new kernel ??? suddenly i Have to remove ehci_hcd to be able to use USB again ????
[10:05] <uniq> cactuswizard: is hdc your cd/dvd-drive?
[10:05] <doppelganger> (points at uniq)
[10:05] <doppelganger> hehe
[10:05] <uniq> :)
[10:06] <CactusWiZaRd> uniq: umm... yes
[10:06] <steveire> and the user 'testserver' is not allowed to access any internet services?
[10:06] <steveire> !apache
[10:06] <ubotu> lamp is a shortcut for Linux-Apache-Mysql-{PHP,Perl,Python}. To setup a LAMP server on Ubuntu, install the packages libapache2-mod-php5, php5-mysql, and mysql-server-5.0. You can also choose 'install a LAMP server' from the server install cd boot menu. See also https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP
[10:06] <jaro> whats up with the new kernel ??? suddenly i Have to remove ehci_hcd to be able to use USB again ????
[10:06] <CactusWiZaRd> i might have to take cd drive from my older computer, 'cuz that current one sux
[10:07] <[GuS] > compiled for you guys.. wit my own Skin design for Kubuntu http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/amsn/amsn_0.96RC1-1kubuntu1_i386.deb
[10:07] <uniq> steveire: that's harder. you can give it a useless shell, or something.
[10:07] <CactusWiZaRd> it seems like an saleproduct to me
[10:07] <steveire> I'm starting to not understand
[10:07] <doppelganger> i've got one other problem plaguing me from having the perfect kubuntu install, but i'll wait a bit to ask
[10:07] <doppelganger> i feel guilty =S
[10:07] <Kr4t05> doppelganger, feel free to aks.
[10:08] <Kr4t05> ask*
[10:08] <doppelganger> it's probably insanely easy
[10:08] <uniq> then why wait? *:)
[10:08] <Kr4t05> doppelganger, it's okay.
[10:08] <CactusWiZaRd> even though the weird thing is, that Ubuntu installed successfully with the same drive few months ago
[10:08] <Kr4t05> doppelganger, everyone is a n00b at one point. ;)
[10:08] <doppelganger> i have a multimedia dell keyboard that kubuntu doesn't recognize.  It recognizes the normal keys, but not the play button ones
[10:08] <Kr4t05> !keytouch
[10:09] <doppelganger> having said that, i've made my own xmodmap.conf with all my spiffy settings to make it work
[10:09] <ubotu> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in system->preferences->keyboard shortcuts (Gnome) or "input actions" in Kcontrol (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try keytouch - http://keytouch.sourceforge.net
[10:09] <uniq> !mediakeys
[10:09] <ubotu> Keyboard shortcuts can be set in system->preferences->keyboard shortcuts (Gnome) or "input actions" in Kcontrol (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try keytouch - http://keytouch.sourceforge.net
[10:09] <uniq> !mediakeys-kde
[10:09] <ubotu> I know nothing about mediakeys-kde - try searching bots.ubuntulinux.nl, help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:09] <doppelganger> i just need to have it start on startup, so i don't have to type xmodmap xmodmap.conf into run everytime i start my computer
[10:09] <Lynoure> lastlog [GuS] 
[10:09] <Lynoure> oops
[10:09] <CactusWiZaRd> ;F
[10:09] <[GuS] > O.o
[10:09] <gatekeeper> CactusWiZaRd: have you tried badblocks on your hard disk to see if it's ok?
[10:09] <steveire> uniq: what is a useless shell?
[10:10] <CactusWiZaRd> gatekeeper: what? O_O
[10:10] <uniq> steveire: maybe chroot the ssh account or something. so that no programs are installed and accessible.
[10:10] <Desh> If someone send me a link in Naim, how can I copy it and paste it into a diff login running w3m?
[10:10] <doppelganger> keytouch doesn't find the multimedia keys
[10:10] <CactusWiZaRd> fuck, and i already wasted a fucking DVD to it... -.-
[10:11] <[GuS] > well...
[10:11] <uniq> !language
[10:11] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:11] <TibaL> I'm not native english nor fluent, can someone tell me how are named these anti-steal transparent platic boxes used to temporary pack CD, games or memory cards packages in stores please ?*
[10:11] <doppelganger> i had to do go out and find they key mappings from some guy who had the same problem, and put them into a xmodmap.conf file
[10:11] <[GuS] > if you will "fuck" all day... for sure you will not make ytour goals..
[10:11] <Ademan>  what's the "best" java IDE? i used netbeans on windows... is there anything better for linux? or is netbeans my best bet? (its also not in the repos)
[10:11] <doppelganger> and i load that at the run command, and my volume controls on my keyboard work
[10:11] <doppelganger> but i need that at startup badly
[10:11] <TibaL> Ademan: Eclipse
[10:11] <doppelganger> er to load that xmodmap.conf
[10:12] <Desh> uniq: :( ctrl+q will not exit my w3m on a diff login.
[10:12] <CactusWiZaRd> maybe i just have to install Ubuntu once again and update to Dapper... -.-
[10:12] <gatekeeper> CactusWiZaRd: have you tried to install dapper or breezy?
[10:12] <h3sp4wn> CactusWiZaRd: Try doing a debootstrap install of dapper (using the installing from knoppix howto)
[10:12] <Ademan> TibaL: is eclipse ready for java out of the box? or do i need another package as well?
[10:13] <newbie_> ademan: eclipse is amazing
[10:13] <Desh> HOow does one exit out from w3m on CLI?
[10:13] <newbie_> it's my everyday ide
[10:14] <CactusWiZaRd> gatekeeper: like i just said, Ubuntu installed successfully with the same drive few months back, so it's pretty weird
[10:14] <newbie_> cvs already integrated, a bunch of plugins
[10:14] <Ademan> which java compiler should i use? the eclipse or gcc one? (or is there one with the java sdk)
[10:14] <steveire> No programs? I have probably explained myself very badly as usual. I currently have a separate partition with a minimal server type install and xfce so that I can run a server for testing things and browse 127.0.0.1. I would like to be able to just do that in another session. so that I can ctrl-alt-f<number> back and forth. I don't want to be running a webserver that is accessible to the outside world. For one thing I don't think it's allowe
[10:14] <steveire> me anyway.
[10:14] <newbie_> sun sdk
[10:14] <TibaL> Ademan: you must need a java developer binaries... not the JRE (runtime) but the other one, usualy shipped with netbeans
[10:15] <CactusWiZaRd> and i have Breezy install & live pack, and Dapper is oncoming
[10:15] <h3sp4wn> I would use the ibm java with eclipse
[10:15] <Ademan> yeah, thats how i got it on windows
[10:15] <steveire> Actually, maybe I just need to edit the apache config files?
[10:15] <Ademan> is it in the repos?
[10:15] <Desh> How do I check my battery in command line?
[10:15] <h3sp4wn> Ademan: Don't think so (not sure though)
[10:15] <TibaL> Ademan: Sun things are not
[10:15] <gatekeeper> CactusWiZaRd: a few months ago you installed breezy no problem, now you are trying to install dapper and having problems correct?
[10:16] <steveire> I seem to remember editing ports.conf before, and it not working, which is why I made a separate partition.
[10:16] <uniq> steveire: you can restrict the webserver to 127.0.0.1 only.
[10:16] <CactusWiZaRd> gatekeeper: i mean Ubuntu Breezy, not Kubuntu Breezy, this is the first time i downloaded Kubuntu
[10:16] <bam_> Desh, try 'cat /proc/something'
[10:17] <Ademan> k thanks, but i found a few packages sun-java5-bin and a few others
[10:17] <uniq> desh: or 'acpi -V'
[10:17] <bam_> hehe
[10:18] <bam_> yup thats it
[10:18] <h3sp4wn> Ademan: sudo aptitude install sun-java5-bin (don't do it from adept or you won't be able to accept the licence)
[10:18] <Zoolie> hi,i just downloaded kubuntu-desktop package for my ubuntu and the boot splash screen was modded to kubuntu version but i want to use the old ubuntu version,any help?
[10:18] <Ademan> k
[10:18] <Ademan> thanks
[10:18] <h3sp4wn> Ademan: then sudo update-alternatives --config java (and select the sun java)
[10:18] <steveire> Maybe I'll try it again tomorrow.
[10:18] <Ademan> i'm switching to land line cause i'm wireless right now
[10:18] <uniq> steveire: in /etc/apache2/ports.conf: Listen 81.26.52.3:80
[10:18] <frazras> my sound isnt working since the dapper dist upgrade, where do I start???
[10:19] <gatekeeper> CactusWiZaRd: this could be a hardware problem, I had a bad maxtor hdd would not install dapper, but I could get it to install breezy, then do an upgrade to dapper. Replaced the drive with a seagate, and dapper installed without any fuss, hence I suggested you test your hdd with badblocks
[10:19] <uniq> steveire: ehm.. where that ip is set to 127.0.0.1:80 of course.. and not my servers IP.
[10:19] <steveire> Yes. but that caused strange behavoiur last time I tried it. I'll see tomorrow.
[10:19] <uniq> steveire: what strange behaviour?
[10:20] <steveire> It just didn't work like that. I'm tired. I'll be specific if it doesn't work tomorrow.
[10:20] <Zoolie> anyone?
[10:21] <gatekeeper> frazras: system settings -> sound would be a good start
[10:21] <uniq> steveire: ok, it works like that, in apache2, i know, i run a few apache servers.
[10:21] <uniq> zoolie: yes, what is your problem?
[10:22] <CactusWiZaRd> gatekeeper: well, i thought i'd just test Kubuntu, and decide which is better, Ubuntu or Kubuntu
[10:22] <Zoolie> hi uniq,i'am ubuntu01? you remember? i think you not,nevermind....i just downloaded kubuntu-desktop package for my ubuntu and the boot splash screen was modded to kubuntu version but i want to use the old ubuntu version,any help?
[10:23] <frazras> gatekeeper: that does not exist in kde
[10:23] <uniq> zoolie: hello again, remove the package kubuntu-artwork-usplash.
[10:23] <CactusWiZaRd> but it's not important
[10:23] <gatekeeper> CactusWiZaRd: they are siblings the only difference in the window manager, you can install KDE onto ubuntu gnome and decide which Window Mnager you want at start up
[10:23] <uniq> zoolie: it will tell you that kubuntu-desktop is also removed, but that's ok.
[10:24] <h3sp4wn> !ebuntu
[10:24] <ubotu> I know nothing about ebuntu - try searching bots.ubuntulinux.nl, help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:24] <Zoolie> ok....
[10:24] <BlankB> !edubuntu
[10:24] <ubotu> Edubuntu is an Ubuntu derivative aimed at schools and educational institutions. For more info, see http://www.edubuntu.org
[10:25] <gatekeeper> frazras: does on mine K -> System Setting then in the top personal section 'sound and multi media'
[10:25] <doppelganger> waaahaaa
[10:25] <gatekeeper> System Setings ooops
[10:25] <doppelganger> found my answer
[10:25] <doppelganger> to the vnc thing..
[10:25] <Zoolie> uniq: if i check it for uninstall it will mark the kubuntu desktop for uninstall also,is this right?
[10:26] <h3sp4wn> BlankB: I want the enlightenment DR-17 based derivative
[10:26] <BlankB> h3sp4wn: dunno that.
[10:26] <doppelganger> didn't know about the Autostart directory, i can put krfb command in there and have it run at startup =)
[10:26] <doppelganger> *does the carolton dance*
[10:27] <gatekeeper> brb
[10:27] <Zoolie> uniq: if i check it for uninstall it will mark the kubuntu desktop for uninstall also,is this right?
[10:29] <uniq> zoolie: that is correct. But removing kubuntu-desktop won't remove anything except the meta-package (which is basically a file telling kubuntu to install a list of programs. the programs will remain on your system)
[10:30] <steveire> uniq: If i do that apache configuration trick, how would I be able to test if it is solid or not? Just ask someone to nav to the IP?
[10:30] <uniq> steveire: yes.
[10:32] <grizzly> enlightenment is mind-blowingly cool! why isn't it default or something?
[10:33] <Zoolie> ok,but if i remove this item my kde program will work after this?or i need to install kde again?
[10:33] <uniq> grizzly: because it is not very productive.. to me anyway :)
[10:33] <uniq> zoolie: everything will work. you just remove the kubuntu boot splash
[10:34] <arseniq> whatever i tried i couldnt make apache to follow symlinks
[10:34] <Zoolie> and any ohter solution? i tried to search for ubuntu-artwork-usplash to install but nothing founded.
[10:34] <h3sp4wn> grizzly: dr17 is still pre-alpha (but highly productive for me)
[10:34] <uniq> arseniq: did you try the FollowSymlinks option?
[10:34] <doppelganger> !enlightenment
[10:34] <ubotu> Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work. E17 is the current development version.
[10:34] <arseniq> uniq: ofcourse
[10:34] <doppelganger> hmm
[10:34] <diezare> hello guys, i was trying to get the gcc compiler by writting sudo apt-get install gcc-4.0-base but it gives me the following "
[10:34] <diezare> Reading package lists... Done
[10:34] <diezare> Building dependency tree... Done
[10:34] <diezare> gcc-4.0-base is already the newest version.
[10:34] <diezare> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[10:34] <uniq> zoolie: that's the default.. xubuntu and kubuntu have their own packages..
[10:34] <diezare> eventhough it's not installed, can anyone help?
[10:34] <h3sp4wn> diezare: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[10:34] <uniq> diezare: install the 'build-essential' package.
[10:35] <uniq> arseniq: how doesn't it work?
[10:35] <Bazzi> diezare: you might want to have the build-essential package?
[10:35] <Bazzi> oh, too late :-)
[10:35] <arseniq> uniq: i can send you the httpd.conf file if you want
[10:35] <Zoolie> ok....and if i want some custom  splash screen is this possible?
[10:36] <arseniq> also i am restarting the apache after making changes on conf file
[10:36] <diezare> apt-get install build-essential   it gives me the following "
[10:36] <diezare> Reading package lists... Done
[10:36] <diezare> Building dependency tree... Done
[10:36] <diezare> E: Couldn't find package build-essential
[10:37] <uniq> arseniq: you can paste the section to pastebin.ca
[10:37] <uniq> zoolie: probably. Don't know.
[10:37] <diezare> i used the ubuntu before i had no problems, but i started to find these problems when i tried with the kubuntu. can anyone help?
[10:38] <diezare> i also tried apt-cache search build-essentail but i didn't find any results
[10:38] <arseniq> uniq: #pastebin.ca is this the exact name of channel?
[10:38] <diezare> does it has anything to do with my sources.list?
[10:38] <uniq> arseniq: i meant website.. http://pastebin.ca
[10:39] <uniq> diezare: probably.
[10:39] <uniq> !repo
[10:39] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[10:39] <BlankB> diezare: first see topic and do not paste into channel. second it soulds like your sources.list is not good.
[10:39] <BlankB> !sources
[10:39] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[10:39] <BlankB> !sources.list
[10:39] <diezare> ok, thnx guys.
[10:39] <Zoolie> ok,thx anyway.i give a search on google for it....and a last question: i formatted my ntfs to ext3 but i need to add(with gparted find a mount place and activate it) it after every reboot,is there anyway to make it mounted stable?
[10:40] <uniq> zoolie: yes, put a line in /etc/fstab
[10:40] <arseniq> uniq: http://pastebin.ca/86396
[10:40] <BlankB> !repositories
[10:40] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[10:42] <uniq> arseniq: and what happens if you go to a symlink in a webbrowser?
[10:42] <arseniq> uniq: 403 forbidden
[10:43] <Zoolie> ok,i make this...thx uniq...i love you :D
[10:43] <arseniq> uniq: by the way /home/www belongs to apache...
[10:43] <eXCeSS> can someone send me an internets
[10:44] <arseniq> uniq: and i can view the files on /home/www successfully
[10:44] <uniq> arseniq: does apache have read access to the directory you have symlinked to?
[10:44] <crazy_penguin> night to all! :)
[10:45] <arseniq> uniq: oh does it need to? ok i am trying it just now
[10:45] <JoeCoder> Any way I can make kubuntu auto-connect to the best available wireless access point w/o having to use wireless assistant as root every time?
[10:45] <arseniq> uniq: by the way the source of the symlink is a directory on my ntfs partition does it matters?
[10:45] <uniq> arseniq: it needs read access to list the files in a directory, and it needs execute permissons on directories to be able to enter them.
[10:46] <ricardo_> same problem as joecoder here with newest kernel
[10:46] <ricardo_> (have to use 2.16.15)
[10:46] <Zoolie> i just realized that in fstab i have only my cd-rom,my dvd isnt there....
[10:46] <Zoolie> :S
[10:46] <JoeCoder> I'm on 2.16.15 now
[10:46] <ricardo_> 2.6.15-23 works fine for me
[10:47] <uniq> arseniq: it all depends on permissions.. if www-data can read stuff from the ntfs-disk it doesn't matter what filesystem the files are on.
[10:47] <ricardo_> the problem appears with 24 and after...
[10:47] <ricardo_> with kernel 24 it doesnt even detect my pcmcia wireless card
[10:47] <uniq> zoolie: everything you want to automount must not be in /etc/fstab, just for your infomation.
[10:50] <doppelganger> Mother..
[10:50] <doppelganger> tell your children not to walk my way..
[10:50] <doppelganger> (sorry)
[10:51] <Zoolie> thx
[10:52] <JoeCoder> ricardo_: Mine is installed properly and works, I just have to run the wireless Assistant tool after every reboot
[10:52] <arseniq> uniq: "kdesu konqueror" sais "i cant change the permisions" i think this is about ntfs right?
[10:52] <uniq> arseniq: probably. ntfs is not very compatible with linux in any way.
[10:52] <uniq> arseniq: i have to go eat now.. and sleep later, good luck with your project. :)
[10:53] <arseniq> uniq: ok thanks a lot for your help
[10:53] <JoeCoder> arseniq: There's a tool you can get to replace the standard ntfs driver with one that supports write access, but it was flaky and slow when I tried it last fall.
[10:53] <JoeCoder> arseniq: I wish I remembered the name of it.
[10:54] <arseniq> JoeCoder: hmm some tool like it could be helpful though
[10:55] <uniq> joecoder: captive-ntfs ?
[10:55] <h3sp4wn> captive-ntfs but don't cry if you lose all your data
[10:55] <uniq> now i'm leaving.. :)
[10:55] <arseniq> oh i cant take that risk
[10:55] <JoeCoder> arseniq: If MS would release the spec to ntfs we'd all be writing to it, but as it is it's taking forever to figure it out. You can however get an ext driver for windows that will let you write to ext partitions. I've been using it for a while with no problems at all.
[10:55] <JoeCoder> yeah, it was captive ntfs
[10:55] <unix_infidel> hey guys, anyone know of a 3rd party repo that contains the postgresql 8.1 debs?
[10:55] <gatekeeper> JoeCoder: must be an updated version as Xandos reckon you van now write to ntfs
[10:56] <gatekeeper> can now write to ntfs even ooops
[10:56] <arseniq> JoeCoder: windows can see ext partitions?
[10:56] <JoeCoder> gatekeeper: stable enough to be installed by default? interesing.
[10:56] <JoeCoder> arseniq: You can get a driver to allow read and write to ext on windows. Mound your linux drive as whatever letter you want. Works great for me.
[10:57] <JoeCoder> arseniq: Again, I wish I remembered the name, but a quick search should be able to find it.
[10:57] <gatekeeper> JoeCoder: all I can suggest is you have a look on their web site
[10:57] <arseniq> JoeCoder: ok thanks
[10:57] <angasule> shiny! the shipit CD finally arrived
[10:58] <unix_infidel> anyone for the postgresql question?
[10:59] <RawSewage> how do you unignore someone in Konversation
[10:59] <JoeCoder> arseniq: I found extifs, but it looks like that's only read-only driver. If I was booted into windows I could just look in control panel.
[10:59] <JoeCoder> arseniq: and tell you the name of it.
[11:01] <arseniq> JoeCoder: thanks anyway i can find something on this idea on google i think :)
[11:01] <JoeCoder> unix_infedel: sorry, don't know much about repositories.  Enabled the universe and multiverse?  Tried finding a manual install?
[11:01] <RawSewage> How do I see my ignore list in Konversation
[11:01] <ranunculoid> If I cant be root in kubuntu, how do I edit my apt sources file?
[11:01] <danl> are there any packages similiar to automatix for application development, to get all the libs, automake, gcc and such you need?
[11:01] <JoeCoder> ranunculoid: sudo vim /etc/path/to/source
[11:02] <JoeCoder> ranunculoid type sudo before every command you need to run as root.  Sudo will ask for your password the first time and remember it until the session expires.
[11:02] <doppelganger> danl- easy ubuntu
[11:02] <ranunculoid> Is there no way of doing it outside of terminal JoeCoder?
[11:02] <hugelmopf> danl: you could start by installing the package build-essential, that covers quite a bit of application development stuff.
[11:03] <gatekeeper> ranunculoid: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:03] <doppelganger> dunno if that's what you're asking, but look that up
[11:03] <ranunculoid> Ah - that'll do
[11:03] <JoeCoder> ranunculoid: KDEmenu -> System -> adept
[11:03] <ranunculoid> Thank's JoeCoder
[11:03] <gatekeeper> ranunculoid: yes there is
[11:03] <danl> thanks hugelmopf
[11:04] <JoeCoder> ranunculoid: then go to Adpet -> Manage repositories
[11:04] <gatekeeper> k -> run command kdesu gedit (or what ever edit you are using)
[11:04] <hugelmopf> danl: but automake for example is not included. you have to install the package automake1.9 for that (and autoconf probably as well)
[11:04] <ranunculoid> Right, I can manage from here, I just installed kubuntu today. Kubuntu >> MEPIS :-D
[11:05] <JoeCoder> Anyone in here have much luck with GLX?  I've got it working but it's buggy and not worth using.
[11:06] <muslim> hello
[11:06] <Ayiden> I am having alot of trouble installing kubuntu on my laptop
[11:06] <muslim> i have aproblem
[11:06] <hugelmopf> danl: and libtool probably. which language and which framework do you want to develop in?
[11:07] <danl> c/c++
[11:07] <JoeCoder> Ayiden: go on
[11:07] <muslim> its about getting application
[11:07] <danl> im primarily a java programmer attempting to learn c/c++
[11:07] <__osh___> muslim: ask away.
[11:07] <gatekeeper> muslim: installing ?
[11:07] <danl> so i dunno that much about frameworks and such
[11:07] <muslim> any application from apt-get
[11:07] <muslim> no
[11:07] <muslim> or kaoackage
[11:08] <muslim> kpackage
[11:08] <ranunculoid> Hmmm.. I'm trying to upgrade Amarok to 1.4.x in 6.06 but it wont let me. It gives an error telling me that upgrading will break another package but it doesn't say which one... What should I do guys?
[11:08] <__osh___> muslim: why not use adept?
[11:08] <__osh___> muslim: but more to the point, what's the problem?
[11:08] <muslim> its not working either
[11:09] <__osh___> muslim: is your /etc/apt/sources.list ok?
[11:09] <muslim> all these have no access to internet
[11:09] <muslim> yes
[11:09] <hugelmopf> danl: for pure C/C++ the build-essential, automake1.9 and libtool should be enough. if you want for example to use Qt to develop graphical apps, you'll also need it's development package, i.e. libqt3-mt-dev
[11:09] <DaSkreech> I'm getting superblock errors on botoup
[11:10] <muslim> they even cant get update list
[11:10] <DaSkreech> When I try to run reiserfsck it warns me not to
[11:10] <Hawkwind> Can someone tell me a command that I can use to find out what package a certain file is in.  For example, I want to find the package that Xdamage.h  belongs to but don't know how
[11:10] <danl> hugelmopf: thanks for your help, would GTK be useful for graphical applications?
[11:11] <muslim> it worked only once
[11:11] <jpatrick> Hawkwind: dpkg -S fileName
[11:11] <muslim> then after update it stopped connecting
[11:11] <Hawkwind> jpatrick: Wouldn't that be if Xdamage.h was installed on my system ?
[11:11] <__osh___> muslim: are you behind a proxy or something like that?
[11:11] <muslim> any idea?
[11:11] <muslim> no
[11:11] <Hawkwind> jpatrick: I need to find the package it is in so I can install that package
[11:12] <hugelmopf> danl: yes, GTK is a graphical toolkit, just like Qt, but as far as i know, GTK is C, while Qt is C++, and most people prefer Qt.
[11:12] <muslim> i have DSL connection
[11:12] <nikosapi> Is there a way to force a re-install of a package with apt?
[11:12] <muslim> 256 kb
[11:12] <__osh___> muslim: What's the error if you do a "sudo aptitude update"?
[11:12] <muslim> i.ll try
[11:12] <jpatrick> Hawkwind: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=Xdamage.h&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=dapper&arch=i386
[11:13] <erov> what about qeradiant? :|
[11:13] <muslim> it stops on 0%
[11:13] <danl> hugelmopf: thanks again, im off to google and learn about QT... I appreciate the help
[11:13] <JoeCoder> Any way I can get the blinking network lights on my sys-tray that I loved so much in windows
[11:13] <muslim> without any progress
[11:14] <morrison> "Bye"
[11:14] <__osh___> muslim: use pastebin and post your sources.list there. Perhaps you'll need to use some other sources because yours are "offline" for some reason?
[11:14] <JoeCoder> danl: You might look at wxWidgets also
[11:14] <hugelmopf> danl: in case you don't know, KDE is based on Qt, while Gnome is based on GTK, so that's probably another thing to consider in the decision. you would probably want to start here for Qt: http://www.trolltech.com/products/qt
[11:14] <JoeCoder> danl: I think it's got a friendlier license for commercial projects, but my info could be out of date or downright wrong.
[11:15] <menno_> does anybody know how i can reset konqueror to it's original settings?
[11:15] <JoeCoder> menno_: I had the same problem
[11:15] <JoeCoder> menno_: did you follow that guide in the kubuntu faq?
[11:15] <Hawkwind> jpatrick: Nothing I can do from CLI to find out the info I want ??
[11:15] <DaSkreech> I'm getting superblock errors on startup
[11:16] <DaSkreech> Anyone have any clue why I'd be getting that?
[11:16] <jpatrick> Hawkwind: not that I know of
[11:16] <menno_> JoeCoder: well no and right now i aplogise and will look into them. Sorry i spoke too soon
[11:16] <hugelmopf> JoeCoder, danl: Qt is available under the GPL, so as long as your project is not distributed closed source, there is no license problem.
[11:16] <JoeCoder> menno_: don't follow the guide in the kubuntu faq, that's what messed it up for me.
[11:17] <menno_> JoeCoder: oh well then i'm glad i asked
[11:17] <JoeCoder> menno_: or rather, if you do follow that guide, first backup the files you're overwriting.
[11:17] <jeekl> What package provides libGL.so.1? It's gone missing on my system and, for example, amarok wont start without it.
[11:17] <gatekeeper> Hawkwind: libxdamage-dev ?
[11:18] <bur[n] er> what happens when you apt-get install amarok ?  doesn't it find hte depend?
[11:18] <muslim> what is the link to pastepin
[11:18] <bur[n] er> www.pastebin.com
[11:18] <morrison> a saperlo l'inglese!!!!!!
[11:18] <crimsun> jeekl: normally libgl1-mesa unless you use the proprietary Nvidia or ATI drivers
[11:18] <JoeCoder> Any good free games for linux beyond chromium and tux-racer?
[11:18] <menno_> JoeCoder: i see. did you manage to get your old konqueror back?
[11:18] <scott> enemy territory
[11:18] <DaSkreech> JoeCoder: What are you interested in?
[11:19] <JoeCoder> menno_: I was on a day-old install, so I just reinstalled again.
[11:19] <Tarus> I am having trouble using the kubuntu install dvd. I am getting this error on my compaq v2000. 4294671.220000 .. MP-Bios bug 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC
[11:19] <DaSkreech> morrison: Sorry what?
[11:19] <frazras> JoeCoder: http://entertainment.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/07/06/0414224
[11:19] <jeekl> crimsun: I had the proprietory ATI-drivers installed before, but uninstalled them, since I don't really need them and they were giving e problems.
[11:20] <Tarus> I get the same error on a friends dell
[11:20] <jeekl> IDo I need to reconfigure some package now that the ATI-drivers are gone?
[11:20] <DaSkreech> !tell JoeCoder  about games
[11:20] <Tarus> I did not get this error prior to the cd before the final release
[11:20] <menno_> JoeCoder: thanks for you remarks!
[11:21] <ranunculoid> I'm having trouble upgrading amarok, http://pastebin.ca/86428 <-- Any ideas guys??
[11:21] <Tarus> Anyone have any posible solutions?
[11:22] <Tarus> The screen goes blank after that and I hard reboot
[11:22] <Tarus> Is this a common bug at all?
[11:22] <JoeCoder> menno_: I can send you any files you might need. But first: are you trying to get back to the original settings from where you messed it up, or was it not right when you first installed it?
[11:23] <scott> !tell
[11:23] <ubotu> I know nothing about tell - try searching bots.ubuntulinux.nl, help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com
[11:23] <JoeCoder> Taurus:  I don't know about the error message, but I had troulbe similar to that until I started burning my ISO's at lower speeds.
[11:24] <Tarus> It couldnt be a burning problem ... could it???
[11:24] <JoeCoder> ranunculoid: This probably isn't it, but do you have the restricted repositories enabled?
[11:24] <ranunculoid> No,  I have the default settings
[11:25] <Tarus> I had this problem with this latest release the test cd before the release but the cd b4 that ran fine on my laptop
[11:25] <morrison> i am italian boy
[11:25] <morrison> but i don't speak english
[11:25] <gatekeeper> ranunculoid: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[11:25] <jeekl> crimsun: No ideas to what I need to do to get libgl1-mesa provide the file instead of fglrx
[11:26] <Tarus> I think I will try redownloading and burning again on a differnt bruner and different settings but this doesnt sound like it would be releated to that...
[11:26] <ranunculoid> Just installed today. Did an apt-get upgrade straight after installing though JoeCoder. gatekeeper - thanks but i nknow how to do that now;-)
[11:26] <gnomefreak> morrison: #kubuntu-it is for help with kubuntu in italian
[11:26] <JoeCoder> Tarus: I had that problem when installing mandriva. Burned at a lower speed and it suddenly worked. Even before, the CD's could still be read just fine from windows but refused to boot properly. Weird, eh?
[11:27] <gatekeeper> ranunculoid: ok didn't think you had them all enabled :-)
[11:27] <ranunculoid> gatekeeper: do I have to take away the'#'s from all the extra repos?
[11:27] <gatekeeper> ranunculoid: which package are you after?
[11:27] <ranunculoid> Amarok
[11:27] <ranunculoid> 1.4.x
[11:28] <JoeCoder> Taurus:  mine was a weird error message that had nothing to do with being able to read the CD also.
[11:28] <JoeCoder> ranunculoid: If you update via editing your sources.list make sure you run apt-get update after you make the changes.
[11:28] <D4m4ge> hi
[11:28] <D4m4ge> does anyone now a graphical ftp server for linux please?
[11:28] <gatekeeper> ranunculoid: yes but if you copy /paste as per those instructoions all the repos will be enabled
[11:28] <D4m4ge> i am lost with all the console like servers
[11:28] <muslim> sorry i couldn't use pastepin
[11:28] <bur[n] er> D4m4ge: there are guis for a few of them... pure-ftpd has a gui!
[11:29] <ranunculoid> gatekeeper: ok, I'll do that then try again
[11:29] <bbw> Hi all
[11:29] <bbw> someone now how to enable a kde theme
[11:29] <gatekeeper> ranunculoid: as JoeCoder says you need to do apt-get update
[11:29] <muslim> i tried but it says loading for too long
[11:30] <D4m4ge> thanbks bur[n] er
[11:30] <muslim> without any progress
[11:30] <JoeCoder> Anyone know how to get a blinking lights network activity app in my system tray?
[11:30] <ranunculoid> gatekeeper: That was the first thing I did when I installed kubuntu
[11:30] <ranunculoid> oh, sorry
[11:31] <erov> JoeCoder: what type of connection?
[11:31] <muslim> JoeCoder me too
[11:31] <JoeCoder> wireless
[11:31] <DaSkreech> Why would I get a superblock error upon reinstall?
[11:31] <erov> ok.. KWiFiManager
[11:31] <menno_> JoeCoder: i followed the FAQ and indeed, it doesn't work
[11:31] <erov> it will go into your tray
[11:31] <muslim> for me its a lan
[11:31] <erov> or at least has the option to do so.. dont know about lan
[11:31] <menno_> JoeCoder: nothing changed
[11:32] <JoeCoder> menno_: What exactly is wrong with konqueror? After I followed that guide, my address bar, view profiles, and several other things were missing. They were there by default with a fresh install of kubuntu dapper 6.06
[11:32] <muslim> Anyone know how to get a blinking lights network activity app in my system tray with lan connection
[11:32] <JoeCoder> erov: thanks
[11:33] <bbw> someone now how to enable / install  kde theme downloaded from kde-look.org but there is no installation manual, i can only change icon theme in my system
[11:34] <mcrandello> bbw: try the theme manager located in "kcontrol"
[11:35] <tomi> Hi, is there any way to get window transparency and drop shadow work with ATI display driver?
[11:35] <JoeCoder> I think I'm a tweak-a-holic
[11:35] <ranunculoid> How do I download the new package lists once I edit my sources.list file?
[11:35] <menno_> JoeCoder: i installed a theme but View>detailed list view doesn't work anymore. I see big icons and no matter what i change under View, it stays the same -  only text view does what it says
[11:36] <centyx> tomi: yea, but direct rendering will be disabled and it will run pretty slow
[11:36] <bbw> kcontrol there is no theme manager
[11:37] <JoeCoder> menno_: what about View->Icon size? Also, what if you try to load a previously saved view profile?
[11:37] <ranunculoid> YES! it's working :-D
[11:37] <mcrandello> bbw: it's not located under "Appearance & Themes"?
[11:37] <erov> muslim: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27103 read that too for lan one
[11:37] <gatekeeper> ranunculoid: dpkg -l (warning not dpkg -i)
[11:38] <erov> http://knetstats.sourceforge.net/ that looks cool too, dont know if it's in the repositories
[11:38] <bbw> mcrandello , it worked , i typt in command kcontrol , thanks
[11:38] <tomi> cetyx: yep, I've noticed. actually it will mess up my desktop pretty bad :/ I tought that there is some way to fix it but I guess there isn't then
[11:38] <JoeCoder> ranunculoid: sudo apt-get update
[11:38] <mcrandello> bbw: np :)
[11:38] <JoeCoder> How can I adjust my clock to no longer be military time?  I'm already in the Accessibility time and dates page.
[11:38] <JoeCoder> nevermind
[11:38] <ranunculoid> gatekeeper: thanks, I did it in the gui package manager instead but i'll remember that one for future reference. It's working now:-)
[11:38] <erov> JoeCoder: right click the clock it self
[11:39] <erov> Date & Time format
[11:39] <erov> from the menu that comes up
[11:39] <gatekeeper> ranunculoid: excellent :-)
[11:39] <muslim> any idea about my apt-get problem
[11:40] <JoeCoder> erov: I don't have Date & Time format on that page, but I found it elsewhere.
[11:40] <erov> then go to the Time&Dates tab.. then go to the format.. select from the list the second one.. with the p infront of the format and only one H
[11:40] <erov> i didnt say on that page
[11:40] <osh_> muslim: have you tried using other sources?
[11:40] <menno_> JoeCoder: that's it. first time i see this function. That's more to my liking:)
[11:40] <erov> i said.. on the clock of your taskbar down to the bottom
[11:40] <D4m4ge> uh, I cannot find the front-end for pure-ftpd, how is it called?
[11:40] <JoeCoder> menno_: So it was the icon size?
[11:40] <gatekeeper> muslim: you are using the correct repos?
[11:41] <menno_> JoeCoder: yes.
[11:41] <menno_> JoeCoder: my eyes don't hurt anymore, thank you
[11:42] <JoeCoder> menno_: know much about samba?
[11:42] <muslim> yes i tried another sources
[11:42] <muslim> yes
[11:42] <erov> muslim: what does /etc/apt/sources.list look like? if you dont think it looks just right.. back it up and try http://erov.ath.cx/sources.list to replace it with.. less confusion .. its what i have and works, currently
[11:43] <menno_> JoeCoder: not yet i'm afraid. i'm still in the learning stage...
[11:43] <erov> even I mucked about with it and messed my original up royally.. that's 100%
[11:43] <JoeCoder> menno_: Me too. Was hoping there might be something you could help me with. Don't suppose you know anything about glx either?
[11:43] <angasule> shipit has nice packaging, but I'm a bit surprised it's not waterproof :?
[11:44] <menno_> JoeCoder: well just don't eat too much of it:) no, sorry
[11:45] <muslim> ok i'll try
[11:46] <gatekeeper> JoeCoder: what do you want to do with samba?
[11:46] <angasule> and what about glx?
[11:46] <erov> then when you restart adept or whatever.. fetch updates
[11:46] <JoeCoder> just connect to a windows computer I have on my local network.
[11:46] <erov> to refresh the list of packages
[11:47] <JoeCoder> angasule: I have created a script to let me choose glx as an option from kdm, but it fails there. But if I load regular gde and then run the kde-glx script it works, but with a few bugs.
[11:47] <gatekeeper> JoeCoder: you only need to install samba if you want the windows pc to connect to linux otherwise just use konqueror
[11:47] <JoeCoder> agasule:  *load regular kde
[11:47] <JoeCoder> gatekeeper: smb://win-box-name ?
[11:47] <ranunculoid> What's a quick terminal command to get the version of a program?
[11:48] <JoeCoder> gatekeeper: ok, cool it worked
[11:48] <gatekeeper> JoeCoder: yes I think so
[11:48] <JoeCoder> gatekeeper: It didn't before and I assumed it was still broken. How can I access those drives from the command line? mount them?
[11:48] <jbirdAngel> hello, i have ubuntu, but im wanting to uninstall it and grub and have it set so that my comp boots right into windows again, how do i do that?
[11:48] <gatekeeper> JoeCoder: konqueor seems to have a samba client built-in
[11:48] <angasule> hmm, JoeCoder, you're talking about Xgl, aren't you?
[11:49] <erov> yes samba is builtin to konq.. at the command line use smbmount or smbclient though konqueror works just fine
[11:49] <JoeCoder> angasule: I suppose Xgl is the opengl extension for X and xgl is the linux opengl programming library?
[11:49] <gatekeeper> JoeCoder: possible not sure if you need samba installed for that
[11:50] <gatekeeper> JoeCoder: erov says you are in luck :-)
[11:50] <grizzly> Anybody using enlightenment?
[11:50] <muslim> now i am sure its not repos problem
[11:50] <h3sp4wn> grizzly: I am using dr-17
[11:50] <angasule> Xgl is an X server that uses opengl for all kinds of funky stuff, glx is an X library to use opengl
[11:50] <erov> muslim what exactly is it doing
[11:50] <JoeCoder> gatekeeper, erov, I'll read the smbclient docs
[11:50] <muslim> it should be aconnectoin problem
[11:51] <gatekeeper> grizzly: tried it using OliveCD and was impressed
[11:51] <gatekeeper> JoeCoder: there is a easy / cheat way
[11:51] <h3sp4wn> grizzly: google for easy_e17.sh (it installs it to /opt - makes sure you have 1.03 - or you won't get all the modules)
[11:51] <angasule> JoeCoder: from what I'm reading, currently Xgl only works on top of another X server
[11:51] <h3sp4wn> angasule: No xgl is its own xserver - aiglx runs ontop of xorg
[11:52] <gatekeeper> JoeCoder: if you want windows to see a linux share, install samba then use system settings -> sharing
[11:52] <angasule> well, in any case, I'd go ask at #Xgl or something
[11:53] <JoeCoder> angasule: cool, it looks like #xgl is quite a busy place.
[11:53] <muslim> it says 0% [Connecting to kubuntu.org (1.0.0.0)]  [Connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com (1.0.0.0)]  [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com
[11:53] <JoeCoder> gatekeeper: I won't need windows to see linux, just vice versa and I already can.
[11:54] <erov> 1.0.0.0 ??
[11:54] <erov> yeah thats some network config problems.. just don't know what
[11:54] <gatekeeper> JoeCoder: cool :-)
[11:55] <JoeCoder> well I'm out.  Thanks for all the help.
[11:56] <gatekeeper> JoeCoder: see ya soon... :-)
[11:56] <gatekeeper> won't be far behind it's getting late
[11:56] <jimmy__> Jimmy- In da house!
[11:57] <jbirdAngel> hello, i have ubuntu, but im wanting to uninstall it and grub and have it set so that my comp boots right into windows again, how do i do that?
[11:58] <Harmental> do you know how to make this window (Konversation) transparent?
[12:02] <jimmy__> I just know how to put your own pic as background
[12:03] <Harmental> might help?
[12:03] <h3sp4wn> jbirdAngel: Try ##windows
[12:03] <jimmy__> settings
[12:03] <jimmy__> then konfigure konversation
[12:03] <Harmental> I somehow managed to do that with the terminal window but I dont recall how :o\
[12:04] <jimmy__> same here, but konversation is a little different
[12:05] <Harmental> it is an X window it should behave the same...dont they??
[12:05] <jimmy__> seems like it, but I have never even seen an option for transparency
[12:06] <Harmental> i know it is possible........darn!!!
[12:06] <jimmy__> lol
[12:06] <h3sp4wn> jbirdAngel: They will tell you about using fixmbr fixboot etc from the windows xp recovery console but I am not interested in windows related problems
[12:06] <gemidjy> damn kubuntu
[12:06] <gemidjy> if it works it is great, but if not...damn nervouse
[12:06] <Lynoure> gemidjy: hmm
[12:07] <gemidjy> Lynoure: aha
[12:07] <jimmy__> you kiss your momma with that mouth?
[12:08] <jimmy__> :)
[12:08] <Harmental> gotta go