[12:09] <troy_s> kwwii, you in brother?
[12:09] <kwwii> hey man, wassup?
[12:10] <kwwii> I am still hanging on
[12:10] <troy_s> good... night soon for you?
[12:10] <troy_s> sleepy time?
[12:10] <kwwii> eventually
[12:10] <kwwii> I have had a plague of emails in the last two days
[12:11] <troy_s> well that's good news i guess!
[12:17] <kwwii> "No gnus is good gnus"
[02:17] <kwwii> night all
[06:07] <Madpilot> anyone know where/if the Dapper 'Circle of Friends' photo is available? It's not on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official, and I could have sworn it was...
[06:08] <Madpilot> never mind, it's on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing
[12:52] <kwwii> moin
[02:46] <jenda> Hello
[02:48] <jenda> Is there a way to find the author of http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/54 ?
[02:56] <jenda> nvm found him.
[05:10] <troy_s> yeah its tristian
[05:10] <troy_s> from gnome-look
[05:15] <jenda> got him. mailed him.
[05:15] <jenda> http://su.mindspin-cms-hosting.de/Mockup.png
[05:19] <troy_s> i like his look as well... are you trying a marketing mock up?
[05:24] <jenda> yes - for the spreadubuntu site
[05:24] <jenda> I made the above based on his work
[05:34] <newz2000> What do you guys do when you create a work that includes a font the client doesn't have?
[05:41] <fowlduck> what do you guys use in general to make the ubuntu artwork?  Is there something especially good for making the logo?
[05:42] <jenda> There's inkscape and the GIMP, if that's what you mean...
[05:42] <jenda> but I'm only a guest here ;)
[05:42] <fowlduck> ok
[05:43] <newz2000> We love svg, and inkscape is a steller tool for creating svg.
[05:44] <newz2000> The next two big tools are GIMP and PhotoShop. Some here use Illustrator too.
[05:44] <jenda> But don't forget Adobe Illustrator is evil ;)
[05:44] <fowlduck> oh cool, I was wondering how to manipulate svg
[05:45] <jenda> fowlduck: there's the gimp-svg plugin, but I think there's a dependency problem there
[05:45] <fowlduck> yeah, i'll just give inkscape a try
[05:45] <jenda> Inkscape is incredible. I had no trouble working in it even though I've never done anything of the sort before, and yet it can do near anything.
[05:46] <fowlduck> i'm trying to make a new version of ubuntu...eventually here....but I'm graphically challenged
[05:46] <newz2000> Fowlduck, the latest version in Dapper is 0.43, but there's a new version just released that is so nice.
[05:46] <fowlduck> and I need a background and some icons by thursday.  I have a friend workin on it but it looks......
[05:46] <newz2000> I just upgraded last night
[05:47] <fowlduck> newz2000: I use SuSE for my desktop, Ubuntu for server
[05:47] <fowlduck> newz2000: i wonder how it is in this one
[05:47] <newz2000> I'll bet you can get it. Its worth the work.
[05:48] <fowlduck> 0.43-20
[05:49] <newz2000> I did a whole project Friday and yesterday in 0.43, then I upgraded last night and almost cried when I saw how much easier some stuff was.
[05:49] <jenda> newz2000: is there a howto somewhere, to upgrade to 0.44?
[05:49] <fowlduck> nice
[05:49] <jenda> (and a changelog?)
[05:49] <fowlduck> newz2000: how are the deps?  the same?
[05:50] <newz2000> folwduck: I don't know, I just downloaded a deb from the forums and it worked. So must be OK.
[05:50] <newz2000> Here's a link,
[05:50] <newz2000> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202916&highlight=inkscape
[05:50] <fowlduck> cool, i'll make it an rpm using alien
[05:51] <newz2000> There may be a version out there already
[05:51] <newz2000> (Alien never treated me right)
[05:52] <jenda> BTW, newz2000, welcome to the Marketing Team ;)
[05:52] <newz2000> am I on it?
[05:52] <newz2000> :-D Cool
[05:53] <jenda> Ah, no, you aren't ;) But you made an appearance on the list ;)
[05:53] <newz2000> Yeah, I pop on and off
[05:53] <fowlduck> newz2000: alien hasn't let me down so far
[05:54] <jenda> newz2000: in that case, make that _you_are_ welcome to the Marketing Team :-D
[05:54] <newz2000> I was starting to get overwhelmed with communication, so I've backed out of almost every channel.
[05:55] <newz2000> So I'm redesigning bzr website
[05:55] <newz2000> I found a cool font for the logo, but its non-free.
[05:55] <newz2000> What do you guys usually do when you have a font and your 'client' doesn't?
[05:56] <newz2000> Or alternately, is there a good source for free (as in OSS) fonts?
[05:56] <newz2000> jenda: start with specs
[05:56] <jenda> I wouldn't know... I stick to free stuff, and I'm only here because I needed something from these guys.
[05:57] <newz2000> Do you have a team set up on launchpad?
[05:57] <jenda> The Marketing Team - over 43 active members ;)
[05:57] <jenda> (over = there are about 60 recently deactivated ones)
[05:58] <newz2000> I'd start by creating specs for the stuff you want to get done. Its kind of like a detailed todo list.
[05:58] <newz2000> Then you can priortize and delegate the items.
[05:58] <jenda> Indeed. Create them in the wiki or on LP?
[05:58] <jenda> Lp.
[05:58] <newz2000> They two are linked. LP is just an overview, there's a place to link to a wiki page.
[05:59] <jenda> ah :)
[05:59] <newz2000> I've just started that for my stuff today
[06:00] <newz2000> https://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-website for an example
[06:00] <newz2000> Click on specs
[06:00] <newz2000> s/specs/specificatoins/
[06:01] <jenda> Hmm... what I have is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu
[06:01] <jenda> It's not created from the spec template though. I get what you mean. I'll have a look at that.
[06:01] <jenda> It won't be code we'll be bazaaring there.
[06:02] <newz2000> Since I'm a one-man team at the moment I'm using my for a glorified todo list. That way I can just direct people there when they want to report or request something
[06:03] <jenda> Alright, I'm beginning to get it ;)
[06:07] <jenda> newz2000: Do I first register a product?
[06:07] <newz2000> Hmm... good question
[06:07] <newz2000> Let me look
[06:07] <fowlduck> yay, .44 installed
[06:08] <fowlduck> the .package file is nice
[06:08] <newz2000> Yes, I guess so
[06:08] <fowlduck> we need more of that
[06:08] <newz2000> fowlduck, congrats
[06:08] <fowlduck> danke
[06:08] <newz2000> jenda, you're right I think you do need a product
[06:08] <jenda> OK, doing that now.
[06:09] <jenda> thanks
[06:19] <jenda> oooh! 0.44 looks soo good :)
[06:23] <jenda> Absolute rockage there...
[06:23] <newz2000> I've noticed you can click a color from the pallets and it will go into the fill color... I wonder if there's a way to click a color so that it goes to the stroke color
[06:23] <jenda> try the mod keys
[06:24] <jenda> Shift give the borders
[06:24] <newz2000> ah shift
[06:24] <newz2000> :-D
[06:24] <jenda> ;)
[06:24] <newz2000> I would have beat you, but I had to edit my post. (left the f out of shift)
[06:25] <jenda> hehe
[06:25] <jenda> no pride in that - I've only used inkscape twice before. I'm in this channel to _get_ art, not make it 
[06:26] <jenda> http://su.mindspin-cms-hosting.de/Mockup.png < one instance
[06:26] <newz2000> that's a cool smiley, how'd you do that?
[06:26] <jenda> I pressed the win key and o
[06:26] <jenda> gahaha
[06:26] <jenda> But edited my xmodmap to do a Kana_TU on that combination :)
[06:26] <newz2000> ah
[06:27] <jenda> I use a totally custom, four layer keyboard layout based on the dvorak.
[06:27] <newz2000> Did you make that poster?
[06:27] <jenda> I did, but not the original work
[06:27] <jenda> http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/54
[06:27] <jenda> based on the above
[06:27] <newz2000> How did you make the text flow around the globe?
[06:28] <jenda> Haha :-D
[06:28] <jenda> You know the answer before you even asked, newz2000
[06:28] <newz2000> enlighten me
[06:28] <newz2000> manually edit it?
[06:29] <jenda> Yes.
[06:29] <jenda> Unfortunately.
[06:29] <jenda> Copy paste the text and add line breaks where it crosses the border.
[06:29] <newz2000> Are you in Australia?
[06:29] <jenda> No idea if there's a way to curve that.
[06:29] <jenda> No, I'm in the Czech republic.
[06:29] <jenda> The author of the orig might have been.
[06:30] <jenda> tristian of gnome-look
[06:30] <jenda> In fact, I came into this channel looking for him.
[06:33] <lapo> hi
[06:33] <newz2000> hi
[06:35] <jenda> hello
[06:35] <jenda> newz2000: come to think of it, text flowing around selected objects in the design would be an AMAZING feature.
[06:36] <newz2000> Some progs do that, but usually page layout progs, which are sparse on linux.
[06:36] <jenda> yes
[06:36] <newz2000> Maybe OOo can do it
[06:36] <newz2000> I know how to fake it in HTML. :D
[06:37] <jenda> But it would be a nice inkscape feature, as in - I'd select the properties of the text box and add 'flow objects' - select the globe (or enter it's ID) and the text flows...
[06:37] <newz2000> Inkscape can flow text on a curve, I wonder if you can do it using that feature
[06:38] <jenda> Probably, lemme have a look.
[06:44] <jenda> newz2000: I just can't find any text flowing - except 'flow into frame', which I don't understand. Doesn't seem to do anything.
[06:45] <newz2000> The tutorial in the help menu I think demonstrates flowing text on a path... let me peek
[06:46] <newz2000> In Help --> Tutorial --> Tips about 60% down there's a tip, Placing text on a path
[06:46] <newz2000> I don't think it will work though
[06:46] <jenda> Ah ;)
[06:48] <newz2000> Hmmm
[06:48] <newz2000> it mentions something about "flow text"
[06:48] <newz2000> when I try it
[06:50] <newz2000> yeah, it just lets you make the text wavy
[06:50] <jenda> yeah... hmm.
[06:51] <newz2000> Oooh spiral text.
[06:51] <newz2000> I don't know what thats useful for, but it looks cool.
[06:51] <jenda> got it!
[06:51] <newz2000> what'd you do?
[06:51] <jenda> Gimme five minutes :)
[06:51] <newz2000> ok
[06:51] <jenda> You create a 'rectangle' the desired shape
[06:52] <jenda> select them both and flow text to frame
[06:56] <newz2000> Let me try it
[06:56] <newz2000> Some of my pallettes have disappeared, namely the alignment.
[06:58] <newz2000> oh, that's cool. It actually goes into the box
[06:59] <newz2000> So you could use the union tool to make boxes any shame you want and fit it right in there
[06:59] <newz2000> shame --> shape
[07:06] <jenda> yep :)
[07:06] <jenda> that prog is near perfect.
[07:19] <newz2000> I don't remember there being layers before.
[07:19] <newz2000> This is handy
[07:53] <jenda> newz2000: I'm positive 0.43 had layers. I used them.
[08:15] <fowlduck> can ubuntu icons be svg files?
[08:18] <jenda> I think so... try :)
[08:18] <fowlduck> not in ubuntu :/
[08:19] <kwwii> if anyone wants to check out the kubuntu philosophy page...it is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/KubuntuPhilosophy
[08:28] <viper550> Hello
[08:29] <viper550> Hi
[08:29] <nettogrof> hi
[08:29] <viper550> Do you contribute to Tangerine?
[08:30] <nettogrof> maybe
[08:30] <nettogrof> =/
[08:31] <viper550> Well, we've got a little problem. Even though originally this spec I've got has nothing to do with Artwork Team...they may actually be needed at all.
[08:33] <viper550> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Slab Here's the spec with the problem, look at the bottom for my problem
[08:38] <viper550> Anyone still there?
[08:42] <jenda> newz2000: you there?
[08:42] <newz2000> yes
[08:43] <jenda> I don't know what to do next - I have a spec and a product...
[08:43] <newz2000> Cool
[08:43] <jenda> But when I want to register a branch, it asks for a URL
[08:43] <newz2000> oh
[08:43] <jenda> Not sure what to do there.
[08:43] <newz2000> Are you wanting to use bzr?
[08:43] <jenda> Yes.
[08:43] <newz2000> I haven't done that yet.
[08:43] <newz2000> I'd ask in the #launchpad or #bzr  channels
[08:44] <jenda> (btw - I made a next version of the mockup: http://www.novarata.net/1/Mockup2.png)
[08:44] <jenda> OK, thanks
[10:41] <lapo> hi
[10:42] <jenda> hello
[11:38] <fowlduck> where can I find gconf entries that change the theme?
[11:40] <fowlduck> ahh, found it, metacity
[11:45] <kwwii> troy_s: ping?