[12:03] hmm [12:04] i am late...gotta run. [12:04] laters [12:04] I will look into it more tomorrow, there has to be someone there I know that I can use a little table space === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Bigtoe is now known as toe-away [12:05] hello zenrox === GStubbs43 [n=GStubbs4@pool-72-73-93-252.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-marketing ["I] [12:11] nixternal: ill brb ping me if im not back when your up [12:11] roger that...thx [12:19] imhere [12:24] GL nixternal === jenda nods of to bed ;) [12:26] thx jenda [12:26] g'nite [12:26] nite jenda [12:26] nite y'all [12:27] nixternal: i didnt htink you would have aproblem but you still have one more cc meneber to got hrough ;) [12:27] ya, i have communicated a little with mako, so i think i will be fine [12:27] thanks everyone!!! [12:30] gnomefreak, jenda, bimberi thank you for your support!!! i really do appreciate it, and i owe you...if you need anything please don't hesitate to ask!!! === _sara [n=sara@pool-70-17-33-13.pskn.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-13.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === dinda [n=dinda@cpe-72-181-94-197.houston.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] [01:11] nixternal: np, i had a 3 minute window this morning and it just happened to coincide with the right moment :) === a1ecks [n=alecks@pool-141-156-212-113.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === _sara [n=sara@pool-70-17-33-13.pskn.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === alecks [n=alecks@pool-141-156-212-113.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-13.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [02:32] hello all === adamant1988 [n=adam@h-141-153-101-95.ckb.meer.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [02:41] hello :) [02:41] hello [02:41] I love ubuntu, lol. === nixternal does too [02:42] seriously, This suse thing, it's not working out at all... [02:42] I tried to install apparmor from the VERY limited selection of programs.... the installer froze after it finished. [02:42] nice [02:43] apparmor is like the one ap I really wanted to try [02:43] ahh well..i had a window of opportunity to chat for a second, cuz my neices and nephews are vising, and if it wasn't for the CoC they would be on the moon right now ;) [02:43] bbiaf ;) [02:43] lol. [02:44] How did that go btw? === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-13.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [03:15] hello all. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [03:30] hello gnomefreak :) [03:30] hello [03:30] hello === nixternal_ [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [03:32] nixternal nice to have you back [03:32] did you meet with the council? [03:33] grrr [03:33] i think i did [03:33] im about as brain dead as one could get right now [03:34] lol === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-13.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-13.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-13.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-13.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-13.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-13.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-13.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === hybrid [n=666@easyubuntu/supporter/hybrid] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-13.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-13.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [05:22] hello all. [05:22] oh lord, look what the cat drug back in ;) [05:22] hey adamant1988 [05:23] hi adamant1988 [05:23] lol [05:23] Ubuntu boxed set! booga Booga (nixternal) [05:23] bah [05:24] i don't buy anything if i don't have to [05:24] Gah, stupid SUSE [05:24] when i buy from newegg, i never buy boxed/retail..always oem..i don't need no stinkin' box or manuals [05:24] Why throw all that fluff on an OS that isn't even functional... [05:24] the menu system is GREAT, now if I could just get programs to install =\ [05:24] heh, microsoft has beenn doing it for years, it is time someone else does it [05:25] I really think this menu type is the way Ubuntu should go. [05:25] Of that I'm certain, it makes things so simple. [05:26] But I'm determined [05:26] I'm giving SLED a week before I condemn it as crap and write a damning blog. [05:29] -_- it just crashed. === Cody [n=pumpers@207-119-83-28.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [05:30] So I was looking at some of the potential Spread Ubuntu site designs today... [05:31] WildTangent has a good one, but it needs to be modified... ALL of the information is stuck in one page.. it's a bit of sensory overload if you want a quick delivery... [05:33] hmmm... [05:33] IMO Ubuntu-Geeks is probably the better designed one. [05:33] but admittedly those are the only two I saw [05:33] I'd have to agree [05:34] Also, WildTangent is the only one with working code right now. [05:35] I think the orange should probably be toned down [05:36] I told him that too. [05:37] I said that there is a reason that color orange is only an accent color in the OS. [05:37] definitely [05:37] What's problematic with his page is that the part that gets your attention are the bars at either end, NOT the information. [05:37] Ubuntu-Geeks mockup at least put everything in it's proper place with the proper use of color to draw your attention to the right places. [05:38] just needs to be fined tuned, and it would be awesome [05:39] That was my point [05:39] I said that in the forum channel and I got called a communist and everyone questioned my opinion =\ [05:40] people need to be more open minded [05:40] wild tangent was nice about it [05:40] he got a lot nicer when he found out I was a member of the marketing team.. [05:40] can't be to open minded though, as it becomes easy to get brainwashed and start using windows again [05:40] its open source... [05:41] Actually Ubuntu has a good lure to it... I think Ubuntu should take more from SUSE in terms of applications. [05:41] novell makes excellent apps, just their desktop os sucks. [05:41] I think Ubuntu just needs that WOW factor. That everything works just right, and the apps are the best ever. [05:42] Cody, ubuntu is getting close [05:42] Its the closest [05:42] Thats why I've stuck with it [05:42] I think Ubuntu needs to do something new with the interface, and needs a killer app. [05:42] like iLife [05:42] Right now SUSE is the best with the interfact (Slab is awesome). [05:43] and it's all open sourced so nothings to stop Ubuntu edgy from having it. [05:43] lol [05:43] I'm still playing with SUSE though.. I just hope that no one takes the package managment from them.. [05:43] ever. === darkmatter_ [n=darkmatt@206-163-248-13.yktn.hsdb.sasknet.sk.ca] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [05:44] I've used SUSE before too. Its very easy to like, but its not linuxy enough, if you know what I mean [05:44] It's not easy for me to like... I am very tempted to reinstall Ubuntu... but I promised I would give this a week. [05:45] the interface is great.. past that... [05:45] easy for an "average user" to like [05:45] suse rocks :P [05:45] lol darkmatter_ I'm having the worst time with SLED 10 right now =\ [05:45] and has nothing to do with being 'average user' [05:46] very funny [05:46] adamant1988.. because sled is still broken [05:46] I'll say.. [05:46] Suse 10.1 was broken, SLED 10 is broken... do they fix anything before release? [05:47] yes I know sled isn't released [05:47] Ubuntu has nvr broken for me [05:47] usually... but they're having major issues with zenworks atm [05:47] but other than that.. all is well [05:48] another thing ubuntu could improve on is sound device compatibility, and those apps [05:48] Cody... of course ubuntu never has broken.. thats because it was already broken when you installed it xD [05:48] ... [05:49] How do they deal with software needs of the user? I know that Ubuntu has easily accesible repos but how do you get such repos for SUSE? 3rd party? [05:49] its too "confusing" for "average users" [05:50] a media center version of Ubuntu would be awesome [05:50] adamant1988, tes... suse has repos [05:50] *yes [05:51] how do you access them? [05:51] Like the Universe and Multiverse etc? (I'd like to get my libdvdcss === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [05:52] hello zenrox [05:52] hey zenrox [05:52] darkmatter_, how is Ubuntu broken? [05:53] adamant1988... that was _kind of_a joke [05:53] kind of [05:53] ;) [05:53] haha. [05:55] I still say Ubuntu > Suse, but I'll keep giving this distro a chance for the next week... [05:56] Have you heard of Sylable [05:56] ? [05:56] sounds familiar... [05:58] what is it? [05:58] Looks promising... I tryed what they had done so far (its not linux, its AtheOS rebuilt) and it was lightning fast, although no where near end user ready [05:58] sounds cool. [05:59] impressive indeed, hope it gets somewhere, it could be incredible [06:00] I doubt it will get far to be honest... will many packages be available for it? [06:00] Not sure [06:01] that's the kicker right there [06:01] looks like they have a few drivers and ported apps, otherwise its all native [06:01] your right, once again Ubuntu wins [06:03] I feel like I'm not contributing to the spreadubuntu team... how can I help at this moment? [06:03] I don't know [06:04] I'm trying to get a testimonial project done for the website I guess... [06:04] It's kind of my own thing.. that marketing team hasn't given me the go-ahead for it. [06:04] but if you want to help you can :) [06:17] cool [06:18] the only thing I've done is added screenshots, there were none, and it's not like its hard [06:19] Yeah... well my project as it is is to find as many (hopefully around 50) willing Windows users who would participate in using Ubuntu for 2 weeks and blogging about their experiences with it. [06:19] All the info they generate could be used to generate testimonial ads, marketing info, etc. [06:19] Anywho, I'm going onto the Suse Laptop... brb. === adamant1988 [n=adam@h-141-153-101-95.ckb.meer.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [06:23] ok I'm back lol [06:23] ok [06:24] that was fast [06:24] Hrmm... perhaps dark was right [06:24] Suse seems to work better in some ways that Ubuntu does. [06:24] Although I still want to test application installs again [06:24] really [06:25] flash worked oob [06:25] I'm listening to my pandora account right now, something I haven't done in a long time. [06:25] thats nice [06:26] alongside xubuntu, there should be a Fat Ubuntu, where everything works out of the box [06:26] yeah, I missed pandora... It's great for finding new artists [06:27] Yeah, but that goes against Ubuntu's credo of freeness [06:27] They're making it as easy as possible without breaking any laws though. [06:27] which came first, pandora or last.fm [06:28] I'm not sure [06:28] pandora leverages the music genome project. [06:28] I'm on it right now, forgot how different it is from last.fm [06:29] hrmmm my laptop buttons don't work... -1 for Suse [06:30] Interesting, my multimedia keyboard (hp) didn't work under suse either [06:31] I wonder what Ubuntu did to get that working... [06:31] Well, I know why it's been so grudgingly slow [06:32] It almost slipped my mind that Beagle is still indexing. [06:32] Have you ever used a microphone under Ubuntu? [06:32] yeah, that worked pretty well for me. [06:33] what microphone did you use? [06:33] I'll not get the oppertunity to test it under SUSE though, no jack for it on my laptop [06:33] I just used a $15 dollar headset I purchased at wal-mart [06:33] I have a logitech desktop usb one, and it doesn't want to work in ubuntu [06:34] Couldn't give you a brand... pretty generic. [06:34] is it usb? [06:34] no it plug into the mic jack. [06:34] I'll have to look into that [06:34] I made a few skype calls with it, to The Linux Campaign [06:35] not the best mic had to have it like 2" away from my face in order to get anywhere with it. [06:35] yeah, I was going to use it for skype to [06:35] I would prefer wengophone if it didn't crash every time I tried to run it [06:35] just because it's f/oss and I think that should be supported [06:36] ok [06:37] We're a bit offtopic though... Would you like to join my channel and we can chat in there without the loging bot picking it all up? [06:37] sure [06:38] #linuxuserlounge [06:38] ok === Cody [n=pumpers@207-119-83-28.dyn.centurytel.net] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] === Rescue [i=Rinchen@unaffiliated/rescue] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [07:05] Nix! [07:05] did you make it? [07:05] I sent Benj a +1 before I had to bail for a meeting === gaz00 [n=gaz00@S01060015e96c00db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Rescue pings nixternal === Cody [n=pumpers@207-119-83-28.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === Cody [n=pumpers@207-119-83-28.dyn.centurytel.net] has left #ubuntu-marketing [] [07:23] hmm no response. bummer. Ok, off to bed. Still working at my client's. cheers to all who read this after the fact. === Rescue = Rinchen = Joey [07:42] bah [07:42] man beagle is soooooo slowing down SUSE [07:43] beagle is slow on everything [07:43] yeah, I wish it would quit indexing for once... [07:43] it's not too bad on my desktop machine that has 1 GB ram, lol... but on my laptop with 256... there's not as much room for waste. === adamant1988 [n=adam@h-141-153-101-95.ckb.meer.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing === WildTangent [n=justin_@d141-169-31.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [08:38] hello [08:38] Hey. === stefg [n=stefg@dslb-088-072-202-081.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [08:51] Hello WildTangent [08:51] hi [08:51] jenda you're awake [08:51] nixternal: any news? [08:52] adamant1988: good morning ;) [08:52] you guys are gonna be a tough sell...im stepping up my game :) [08:52] lol it's 2:52 I was just thinking about bed. [08:52] I was discussing WildTangent's design with him, as compared to Ubuntu-Geeks [08:52] hehe ;) [08:52] What did you reach? [08:53] lol, not much... I got called a communist for sharing my opinion on the matter though. [08:53] not by me [08:53] No no, but by some person in the channel. [08:54] Everyone in the channel really liked WildTangent's design, personally I don't think that particular design is what spread ubuntu needs... [08:54] Ubuntu-Geek has the right idea IMO. [08:54] just wait, ive got some changes in mind [08:54] :) [08:54] WildTangent: where do I see your mockup? [08:54] http://www.w1ldt4ng3nt.net/csstest/spreadubuntu/ [08:55] Oh and on the suse linux front, I'm sad to report I haven't been able to break it yet... it seems to be solid =\ [08:55] interesting, suffers from much of same flaws as the main Ubuntu website [08:55] that's my point [08:56] WildTangent: why did you choose a different colour scheme [08:56] it had to be different somehow [08:56] I would like a complete redesign, as the top bar eats up too much space (of the main website) [08:56] it matches the new human theme closer [08:56] Ubuntu-Geeks design pulls attention TO the information, rather than away from it. It is professional looking and the information is given in small chunks rather than one large one. [08:56] shrink the top bar [08:56] where is UGs design? [08:57] adamant1988, i told you already, that info is just there to fill some space [08:57] Burgundavia: have a look at the Spreadubuntu wiki at the bottom. [08:57] oh, and gradients in the top bar are a bad thing [08:57] jenda: linky? [08:57] currently the information in WildTangent's design is practically in negative space. [08:57] link me too, I want to review Ubuntu-Geeks some more. [08:58] and I don't have it bookmarked, I'm on my laptop which has a fresh suse install... [08:58] Burgundavia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu === mindspin [n=mindspin@pD95FEE6F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [08:58] I see Nick's [08:59] they don't grab me either [08:59] Those aren't the ones I saw [09:00] I would take the standard Ubuntu layout and do the following two things: [09:00] 1: Shrink the top bar [09:00] WildTangent, do you have the link to Ubuntu-Geeks display that you showed us? [09:00] 2: move the navigation to the left [09:00] I'm not a big fan of using the Ubuntu site design at all, myself. [09:01] why not? [09:01] my thinking is that having a common design is a good thing [09:01] ok [09:01] it can be shrunk horizontally [09:01] how is it now? [09:01] Yeah but is spread ubuntu a part of the main site? [09:01] WildTangent: shrink the bar vertically [09:01] i set a max width optimized for 1280x1024 [09:01] or at least a roughly common design, with variations - like the design I thrashed together for Ubuntu.ca === jenda thinks we need a less complicated, more graphical design. [09:01] adamant1988: yes [09:01] Burgundavia, thats not easily done [09:02] it will take time [09:02] Hrmm... [09:02] WildTangent: see ubuntu.ca [09:02] adamant1988: we are promoting Ubuntu NOT Spread Ubuntu [09:02] In that case Ubuntu-Geeks design would need modifications... his is a world apart from the main site design [09:02] its pretty much the same height [09:02] hmm, yes it is [09:02] thats why i made mine so similar [09:02] so that people identify with it [09:02] but your gradient is awful [09:03] WildTangent, do you have the link to Ubuntu-Geeks design that you showed us in the other channel? [09:03] and it grabs attention -2 pts. [09:03] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=12575&d=1152665081 [09:04] I reallly like this design concept. [09:04] It could be made to match the site more with a few slight modifications (less white for one), but I think the general idea is good in this one. [09:05] hey, guess what...its not hard to make a design similar to his [09:05] just wait...im swimming in windows [09:06] WildTangent, do your best man [09:06] im trying :) [09:06] You seem to be the resident people person, so no doubt everyone would be very happy if your design was selected [09:06] id like to see my design on the site [09:06] i am rather popular :P [09:06] I noticed, going against your design warranted me being called a communist =\ [09:06] anyway...ive got something for ya soon... [09:07] Do whatever you can :) No pain no gain [09:07] Which is a lesson I'd like to teach SUSE linux but it seems pretty resistant to pain. [09:11] I agree with Burgundavia, the site should use the same design as the ubuntu main page, added graphics (like "spread-ubuntu buttons to add to users homepages) should go to "content" not the design === jenda doesn't agree... [09:12] I personally like a "three column" layout, navigation on top [09:12] jenda: why so? [09:13] We are targetting a different audience, but the content will be similar to ubuntu.com (at least for the 'top' half of SU) [09:13] I think there should be a noticeable similiarity between the spreadubuntu and the ubuntu site but not identical. [09:13] Which means we need a simple, clean layout. [09:13] adamant1988: noticable similarity means the same top bar [09:13] ubuntus layout is simple and clear, [09:13] which is basically all the current Ubuntu websites share [09:14] no, color scheme should be enough for compatibility imo. [09:14] in fact, spread Ubuntu is going to look really out of place if it doesn;t [09:14] Possibly a pale, Ubuntu background, no navigation, only in-text links, and the five -it links [09:14] How about the top bar appears whenever you leave the front page? [09:14] Jenda what did you think of Ubuntu geeks design? [09:14] jenda: uhhhh [09:15] I agree with Jenda, what we need is simple, clean and elegant designing on this. [09:15] WildTangent, can vouche for my opinion on that. [09:16] The front page has to be like that. I'm quite certain we don't want any navigation on there, but clicking any link in the text it self will take you to one other page, where the navigation will appear. [09:16] Burgundavia, my demo started out looked EXACTLY like ubuntu.com [09:16] i can revert it [09:16] easy [09:16] if you dont like the header [09:17] which i do, but youre the client :) [09:17] I'm with Jenda, I like the navigation appearing after leaving the main portion of the site. [09:17] honestly spoken, I hate websites with "no navigation" on the frontpage.. [09:17] the header I feel is too busy [09:17] however, i do suggest we keep my link colors and such [09:17] to keep some difference [09:17] the gradient makes it hard to see the logo and the name [09:17] right now, theyre the same as the forums [09:17] And if there has to be a navigation toolbar, make it at the bottom, not visible at the first glance [09:17] also we need to condense the information [09:17] I want to keep a poster-like look for the frontpage. [09:17] which nav bar? [09:17] there are two [09:17] WildTangent: there shouldn't be ;) [09:17] as little scrolling as possible is a GOOD thing, IMO. [09:18] I was talking in general. [09:18] jenda, its very difficult to move it to the bottom [09:18] in fact, i dont know how [09:18] hmm [09:18] doing so will make the page longer as well [09:19] jenda,making navigation "invisible" is absolutely against the rules of usability ;-) [09:19] I can't remember the rule exactly that says that a user should only have to scrol X amount of times to see an entire page.. but typically the less scrolling the better. [09:19] I wouldn't mind that. If you insist on navigation on the front page, I want it below the main page. [09:19] mindspin: not really - the frontpage is just a welcomer... [09:19] OR [09:19] how about a hiding navigation toolbar at the top? [09:20] I think an in text navigation (ala Ubuntu-Geeks design) puts all the information in context and makes it easily available. [09:20] jenda: why do you want a poster-like front page? [09:20] because posters are attractive. [09:20] posters are boring ;) [09:20] a fairly useless, in a web context [09:21] jenda thats why I hat such "welcomers", I#m looking for information and I want it quick when I visit a page. Think of all those lousy flash intros, I always click on "skip intro" when its there at last [09:21] posters are about grabbing people from 15+ feet away [09:21] your computer monitor is not that [09:21] yes but this site is about getting your attention, similiar concept. [09:22] Not really, the main content would be on the other pages, not the front page. The front page would have text that is monitor-sized, not 15-feet-away sized. [09:22] btw. whenis the next irc meeting scheduled? [09:22] Yes, adamant1988, that's what I meant ;) [09:22] mindspin: tomorrow [09:22] then it is not a poster, hence there is no need to change style from the ubuntu page-style [09:22] Crap, what time is the meeting? [09:22] But that's not a Spreadubuntu meeting, and we won't go through the technical details there. [09:23] 20:00 UTC [09:23] fine, i wondered if it was the 17th, when I'm on my way to holiday [09:23] Burgundavia: I don't want the top bar disturbing the simple, attention-grabbing design. [09:23] mt-meeting ? [09:23] Burgundavia, I'm all for the new design... the regular ubuntu design hits you with a mass of text all at once... a smaller more condensed and better organized design would help a lot. [09:23] jenda: it doesn;t have to [09:23] 20:00 UTC is what in Eastern time? [09:23] adamant1988: the mass of text is slightly different issue [09:24] but it's part of the main design idea =\ [09:24] no it isn't [09:24] adamant1988: the masses of texts are not part of the main design, its content... [09:24] I am only talking about the bar across the top, with the logo, name and tabs [09:24] The page design is very accomodating to that then. [09:24] yup [09:24] Schedule for Canada/Eastern: 12 Jul 08:00: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 15:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 09:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 16:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 16:00: Edubuntu [09:25] so that's at 3 o'clock here? [09:25] thanks, I mixed it with the kubuntu meeting [09:25] yes [09:25] good I can make it [09:25] Burgundavia: I'll think about the top bar [09:25] but I can only stay about a half hour. [09:25] I have to work. [09:25] Burgundavia: what about a hiding one? [09:25] a hiding one? [09:25] that sounds like a bunch of crack [09:25] auto-hide [09:26] uhhh [09:26] autohide serves no purpose [09:26] I hate to agree but if we're going to put it there we might as well put it there... [09:26] Could we alter the nav bar up top a little bit? [09:27] I don't want the bar disturbing the look of the front page. [09:28] we know, and I dont want awelcome page with no navigation ;-) [09:28] What I'm saying is we could make a condensed version of the top nav bar and make it look like it belongs in the page. [09:28] instead of something that totally clashes with the design [09:28] jenda: rather than debate, show me a design where the top bar hurts [09:29] Does anyone know a good thought-tracking program for linux lol? I'm trying to use Tom-Boy but it's getting rather busy quickly. [09:31] Burgundavia: all of the designs to date have top bars - and it disrupts the look of the page... Lemme rather create/find/get someone to create/... something that shows what I want to see there... [09:32] adamant1988: I kindof like the idea of a simplified top bar if you guys don't let me push the no-nav layout. [09:32] however, you still have not yet convinced me why su needs a different look to EVERY OTHER ubuntu website out there [09:32] I'm with you on the no nav bar [09:32] the forums, help.u.c, wiki.u.c, packages, etc. etc. [09:32] but I think a good compromise is always key to a good solution. === hybrid [n=666@dpc6745217221.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-marketing [09:33] thats our CD if you like it or not (I personally do not like the color scheme) === adamant1988 loves the color scheme [09:33] I hones't don't mind if we find a new default style, but lets keep it consistent [09:33] I agree the top bar is not perfect === adamant1988 yawns [09:34] I'm going to go to bed. [09:34] I'll talk to you guys tomorrow before the meeting and during for a bit, I imagine. [09:34] when is the meeting? [09:35] Burgundavia: I'm having the impression we are looking exactly for something different: ubuntu.com looks so corporate and proffessional, I'd like SU to look artistic and relaxed. [09:35] ummm [09:35] ubuntu.com just looks busy to me, but that is another issue [09:35] http://inkscape.org/ <-- artsy? [09:36]