[12:10] <bddebian> Later gang
[12:10] <Toadstool> cya bddebian
[12:17] <LaserJock> raphink: you around for real?
[12:17] <raphink> I'm around, but I'm not real
[12:18] <raphink> it's just an idea
[12:18] <raphink> ;)
[12:18] <Toadstool> heh
[12:18] <Toadstool> hi raphink
[12:18] <LaserJock> raphink: I can't find any revu admins, gisomount is stuck in REVU
[12:18] <raphink> hi Toadstool
[12:18] <raphink> LaserJock: stuck like no one has go the key?
[12:19] <LaserJock> raphink: stuck as in it's in incoming but the .changes is in rejected
[12:19] <raphink> hehe I guess
[12:19] <raphink> what package is that?
[12:19] <LaserJock> gisomount
[12:19] <raphink> there its' not stuck anymore
[12:19] <raphink> :)
[12:20] <LaserJock> thanks
[12:57] <LaserJock> anybody familiar with irc.gnome.org?
[12:58] <azeem> in which regard?
[12:58] <LaserJock> I need to know what ports it works on? especiall other than 6667
[01:00] <crimsun> LaserJock: do you have a remote box to which to ssh?
[01:01] <LaserJock> kinda
[01:01] <LaserJock> every once in a while I turn on my home computer
[01:01] <crimsun> then you can ssh over and either irc from there, or do as I do (tunnel everything through an external box to circumvent firewalls)
[01:03] <LaserJock> yeah, let me give that a whirl real quick
[01:03] <crimsun> do you use irssi?
[01:03] <LaserJock> all the other networks I need have alternate ports
[01:03] <LaserJock> yes, most of the time
[01:04] <crimsun> 'k, cos you could just enable irssi's proxy and connect to your home pc
[01:04] <LaserJock> I usually use irrsi on my mac at work
[01:06] <LaserJock> I'm wanting to work on a gnome project, but I'm not sure how to go about it
[01:07] <LaserJock> it seems I need gnome-common from CVS
[01:26] <crimsun> jeepers, the wesnoth orig.tar.gz is 70+ MB
[01:34] <LaserJock> crimsun: lol, I'm just downloading the OS X version
[01:35] <crimsun> I was wondering why dput /seemed/ to be spinning
[01:48] <cbx33> hi guys
[01:48] <cbx33> and REVU admins here at the mo?
[02:22] <bluefoxicy> :(
[02:22] <bluefoxicy> anjuta can't create a new project :(
[02:23] <crimsun> dapper?
[02:23] <bluefoxicy> edgy
[02:24] <crimsun> isn't it the 2.x branch?
[02:24] <bluefoxicy> 2.0.2 yeah
[02:25] <bluefoxicy> I wanted to use it to get autoconf stuff
[02:26] <bluefoxicy> since I honestly have no idea how to set up an autoconf thing
[02:29] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:30] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[02:30] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[03:10] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:15] <zul> hey Hobbsee
[03:16] <Hobbsee> zul: :)
[03:21] <crimsun> hmm, I concur w/ mdz's intent, but my paranoia really sides with kamion and keybuk
[03:22] <ajmitch> hi
[03:22] <crimsun> 'lo
[03:23] <zul> hmmm...
[03:23] <zul> hey ajmitch
[03:40] <bddebian> crimsun: :-)
[03:41] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch, zul
[03:49] <bluefoxicy> Naughty girl programmers fill their uninitialized memory with 0x1badbabe
[03:49] <bddebian> WTF?
[03:50] <Laser_away> what?
[03:50] <bddebian> Laser_away: bluefoxicy's comment :-)
[03:50] <Laser_away> oh, I thought you were commenting on my quite-join-away fun
[03:50] <bddebian> Nah :-)
[03:51] <bluefoxicy> heh, it's valid hex.
[03:52] <bddebian> Aye, like deadbeef :-)
[03:54] <mukund> b00bface
[03:54] <zul> mmmmmm...boobs
[03:54] <bddebian> haha
[04:00] <zul> sorry i should watch myself better
[04:53] <imbrandon> any experinced motu arround that has a few minutes ? i got some weird makefile voodoo hapening on a merge
[04:54] <bddebian> Well I'm around but I'm not sure I would say I am "experienced" :-)
[04:56] <bddebian> FunnyLookinHat: As you should be...
[04:56] <FunnyLookinHat> ;)
[04:57] <bddebian> :-)
[05:04] <bddebian> imbrandon: So what is the issue?
[05:04] <imbrandon> sorry was in another chan till i got hilighted
[05:04] <imbrandon> ummm its a ftbs on helix-player using the debian source
[05:04] <imbrandon> its on MoM but
[05:05] <bddebian> What's the error?
[05:05] <imbrandon> only needs the *.mo files deleted to be merged but FTBS with a strange error about python i havent seen
[05:05] <imbrandon> hold on lemme try to rebuild and i'll pastebin it
[05:23] <phanatic> morning
[05:23] <bddebian> Heya phanatic
[05:23] <phanatic> heya bddebian
[06:02] <bddebian> wb LaserJock
[06:10] <LaserJock> hi bddebian
[06:11] <bddebian> I sent maxima up and crossed my fingers :-)
[06:11] <bluefoxicy> damn
[06:12] <bluefoxicy> there are 5 icons in my notification tray
[06:12] <bddebian> Though I wish I had a PPC box to figure out WTF is up with gcl
[06:21] <LaserJock> bddebian: hmm
[06:21] <LaserJock> my mac isn't even a ppc :(
[06:21] <LaserJock> I can't help
[06:21] <bddebian> POS :-)
[06:52] <bddebian> Gnight folks
[07:16] <Sp4rKy> hi
[07:16] <Sp4rKy> please what's the current depend which replace xlibs-dev ?
[07:31] <cbx33> hi raphink
[07:32] <cbx33> thanks for the help earlier, flushing the revu queue :D
[07:32] <raphink> hi cbx33
[07:32] <raphink> hmmm ... sure :)p
[07:32] <raphink> )
[07:32] <raphink> :)
[07:33] <cbx33> heh
[07:33] <cbx33> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2684
[07:33] <cbx33> I've had hmm 5 hours sleep
[07:34] <raphink> about the same here
[07:34] <cbx33> yup, get that about every night at the moment
[07:34] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: do you mean build-depends?
[07:35] <cbx33> I can't believe I finally got my package into REVU
[07:35] <cbx33> heheh
[07:36] <raphink> great :)
[07:37] <raphink> cbx33: what does it do?
[07:37] <cbx33> it mounts isos as virtual devices in a nice GUI
[07:37] <cbx33> just really simeple mount -o loop stuff
[07:37] <raphink> ok
[07:37] <cbx33> but has some other cool features
[07:37] <raphink> gtk ;)
[07:37] <cbx33> yup
[07:37] <raphink> like what?
[07:37] <cbx33> like reading of all vloume information flags
[07:38] <jsgotangco> hmm you haven't been sleeping cbx33?
[07:38] <cbx33> and has some quick buttons to md5sum,burn,browse the iso
[07:38] <jsgotangco> or just woke up =)
[07:38] <cbx33> jsgotangco, about 5 hours
[07:38] <jsgotangco> ugghh
[07:38] <cbx33> I think it's gonna be useful
[07:39] <raphink> cbx33: it's useful to sleep, I can tell
[07:39] <raphink> :s
[07:40] <cbx33> heheh
[07:40] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, yes
[07:40] <Sp4rKy> raphink, i have been accepted like Ubuntu Member :D
[07:40] <raphink> Sp4rKy: great :)
[07:40] <raphink> i'm happy for you
[07:41] <Sp4rKy> thx
[07:41] <cbx33> congrats Sp4rKy
[07:41] <Sp4rKy> i'm very happy too
[07:41] <Sp4rKy> thx cbx33
[07:41] <cbx33> right I'm off to make lunch
[07:41] <cbx33> and breakfast
[07:41] <raphink> k
[07:41] <crimsun> Sp4rKy: libx11-dev is the basic one; you'll need to be more precise in adding the modular X.Org dependencies.
[07:41] <cbx33> raphink, yeh mine was only about a few months ago
[07:42] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, k, thx
[07:42] <raphink> cbx33: what have you been doing in Ubuntu so far?
[07:43] <cbx33> raphink, I work a lot on edubuntu
[07:43] <phanatic> Sp4rKy: congrats :)
[07:43] <raphink> what part?
[07:43] <phanatic> hey raphink :)
[07:43] <raphink> hi phanatic
[07:44] <cbx33> did a lot of the late cd iso testing, wrote the ltsp man pages, the edubuntu school advocacy, some bug fixing,
[07:44] <raphink> great :)
[07:44] <cbx33> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PeteSavage
[07:44] <cbx33> wrote quite a few wiki pages too
[07:44] <cbx33> about PXE and integrationg with the dreaded windows
[07:45] <raphink> ah you've been reviewing the packaging guide, too
[07:45] <cbx33> yes I think I was the initial guinea pig when Jordan first put it al together :p
[07:45] <raphink> oooh and working on AD integration, too
[07:45] <raphink> very useful
[07:45] <cbx33> I'm trying
[07:45] <cbx33> the AD integration I have almost nailed....
[07:45] <cbx33> well no I lie
[07:46] <cbx33> AD integration works
[07:46] <raphink> is there also a project to integrate with RH/Fedora Directory?
[07:46] <cbx33> it's just the mounting of home dirs
[07:46] <cbx33> that doesn't
[07:46] <raphink> ok
[07:46] <raphink> how well does it work?
[07:46] <cbx33> the authentication works great
[07:46] <raphink> what is possible with it so far?
[07:46] <cbx33> logging on to an ltsp client whilst authenticating against a windows domain
[07:47] <cbx33> but I believe this is also being tackled in a SoC project
[07:47] <raphink> ok
[07:47] <cbx33> it was the mounting of their home dir on a winodws server I wanted
[07:47] <raphink> ic
[07:47] <cbx33> seeing as the school I work at uses predominantly windows machines
[07:47] <raphink> :s
[07:47] <cbx33> and I wanted to integrate edubuntu into it
[07:48] <raphink> well even when you have a majority of linux machines
[07:48] <raphink> sadly enough
[07:48] <cbx33> most issues are solvable
[07:48] <raphink> you have to use the AD
[07:48] <cbx33> yup
[07:48] <raphink> because the few Windows machines won't understand anything else
[07:48] <raphink> so they force the whole bunch of machines to use it
[07:48] <cbx33> I just relaly believe that if edubuntu can just be almost plug ad play in a windows network, we'll make much more of a splash
[07:48] <raphink> sure :)
[07:49] <raphink> or just ubuntu in general ;)
[07:49] <cbx33> well sure
[07:49] <Sp4rKy> crimsun, when ./configure says "checking for X... no
[07:49] <Sp4rKy> Sorry, X is very much needed
[07:49] <Sp4rKy> "
[07:49] <raphink> integrating in a windows network is really important for companies to progressively switch
[07:49] <jsgotangco> would be nice in a migration mindset but what happens after migration?
[07:49] <Sp4rKy> what library need i add ?
[07:49] <cbx33> yes
[07:49] <cbx33> jsgotangco, they will have seen the light
[07:49] <raphink> huhu
[07:49] <jsgotangco> cbx33: that's not enough really
[07:49] <raphink> cbx33: good to have hope
[07:49] <raphink> ;)
[07:49] <cbx33> jsgotangco, I was kidding :p
[07:50] <raphink> in my company, we have 90% linux machines
[07:50] <cbx33> nice
[07:50] <jsgotangco> same here
[07:50] <raphink> but the bosses want to switch everything to windows
[07:50] <cbx33> I already have put linux servers in at the school
[07:50] <jsgotangco> aghhh
[07:50] <cbx33> noooooooooooo
[07:50] <raphink> keep the servers on linux because windows coudln't deal with it
[07:50] <raphink> and switch all the desktops to windows
[07:50] <raphink> so we'rejust refusing everything
[07:50] <cbx33> raphink, that would eat me up inside
[07:50] <Sp4rKy> raphink, just kill the boss
[07:50] <raphink> if we accept their AD, we accept their windows "distribution"
[07:51] <raphink> Sp4rKy: kill the boss of one of the biggest companies in the world ? ;)
[07:51] <raphink> not the greatest idea ;)
[07:51] <Sp4rKy> raphink, why not :)
[07:51] <cbx33> raphink, what company you work for?
[07:51] <jsgotangco> if we kill the boss, we'll have to find new employment for raphink
[07:51] <raphink> cbx33: France Tlcom/Wanadoo/Orange
[07:51] <cbx33> well I really have to go :( - it's been great talking to you and if anyone gets a chance :p - http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2684
[07:51] <raphink> quite everybody in this company work on Windows from what I've heard
[07:51] <raphink> except people in my location
[07:51] <Sp4rKy> raphink, put up an Ubuntu distribution with WIndows theme :D
[07:52] <raphink> who are still pretty free to work on whatever they want, so far
[07:52] <jsgotangco> well wanadoo is pretty big
[07:52] <raphink> jsgotangco: wanadoo doesn't exist anymore. It's called Orange now :)
[07:52] <raphink> it's become part of Orange that is
[07:52] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[07:53] <jsgotangco> but i remember having a wanadoo hostname in france...
[07:53] <raphink> sure
[07:53] <raphink> :)
[07:53] <raphink> the switch wanadoo->orange took place last month
[07:53] <raphink> in France+UK
[07:53] <raphink> and next month in NL I think
[07:53] <raphink> and other countries should come next
[07:54] <raphink> some of my colleagues have said they will leave the company if they have to work on windows
[07:54] <raphink> which I think might be my case too
[07:54] <raphink> I wouldn't accept to work on packaging/conf deployment for Debian without having a Debian/Ubuntu destkop
[07:54] <jsgotangco> yeah
[07:55] <raphink> it's like trying to eat soup with a fork
[08:03] <cbx33> I used to have a wanadoo internet account
[08:03] <raphink> cbx33: I used to, aswell, long time ago ;)
[08:03] <cbx33> hehe
[08:04] <raphink> wouldn't get one today ;)
[08:04] <cbx33> nope
[08:04] <raphink> cbx33 has 23Mb BB now and wouldn't let wanadoo make it lower ;)
[08:04] <raphink> oops
[08:04] <raphink> s/cbx33/raphink/
[08:05] <raphink> I guess I'm tired
[08:05] <raphink> :s
[08:05] <raphink> let's go take a shower and try to wake up a bit ;)
[08:05] <cbx33> yeh i may be able to get 24Mb in august
[08:05] <raphink> great :)
[08:05] <cbx33> right yup I'mm off too
[08:06] <raphink> :)
[08:06] <cbx33> gotta say goodbye to he missus before i go to work
[08:06] <raphink> hehe
[08:06] <cbx33> still sleeping bless her
[08:19] <raphink> hehe :)
[08:21] <dholbach> good morning
[08:21] <raphink> hallo dholbach
[08:21] <imbrandon> moins dholbach
[08:21] <raphink> wie geht es dir heute?
[08:21] <imbrandon> anyone know when they will start to process the backport requests ?
[08:21] <dholbach> raphink: gut geht's mir! comment a va?
[08:21] <dholbach> hey raphink, imbrandon
[08:22] <dholbach> imbrandon: you have to file bugs for that
[08:22] <imbrandon> dholbach, i did
[08:22] <raphink> bien merci dholbach :)
[08:22] <dholbach> imbrandon: ah ok - did you subscribe the backporters team?
[08:23] <imbrandon> dholbach, i think so , can you look it over and make sure i did it correct
[08:23] <imbrandon> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kbfx/+bug/52343
[08:23] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52343 in kbfx "[ backport ]  kbfx 0.4.9.1+0.4.9.2rc1 from edgy to dapper-backports" [Untriaged,Confirmed] 
[08:23] <crimsun> imbrandon: when we get confirmation that the soyuz backend is ready, we'll begin.
[08:23] <imbrandon> reason i ask is i was just helping someon with kbfx in dapper and that fixes the bug he was having
[08:23] <imbrandon> crimsun, cool
[08:24] <dholbach> hmmmmm, coffee
[08:24] <imbrandon> crimsun, dont mean to be a pita or a newb but any eta on that ? or just purely a guess ? dont worry i wont hold ya too it ;)
[08:24] <crimsun> gar, not another dash/bash issue
[08:25] <crimsun> imbrandon: no idea, and it's beyond our [ubuntu-backport's]  control.
[08:25] <imbrandon> cool ok , thanks though ;)
[09:46] <Gloubiboulga> hello world
[10:29] <Hobbsee> hi all
[10:32] <\sh> moins
[10:32] <dholbach> Easier MOTUing! :-)
[10:32] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach
[10:33] <Hobbsee> dholbach: what about it?
[10:33] <dholbach> it's time to kick it off!
[10:33] <Gloubiboulga> YES :)
[10:33] <dholbach> just set a mail to the list
[10:33] <jsgotangco> now?
[10:34] <Hobbsee> dholbach: which list?  motu list?
[10:34] <dholbach> yeah
[10:35] <jsgotangco> reviving the motu school is a big +1
[10:35] <crimsun> Hobbsee: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-July/000734.html  if you need it.
[10:37] <dholbach> jsgotangco: MOTU/School/Requests
[10:38] <Hobbsee> crimsun: thanks
[10:39] <Hobbsee> silly StevenK :P
[10:39] <Hobbsee> there's useful stuff there
[10:40] <Gloubiboulga> is there a problem with the wiki?
[10:40] <Gloubiboulga> https://wiki.u.c is empty for me :(
[10:40] <jsgotangco> doh! LP is acting up
[10:41] <jsgotangco> The authentication database is temporarily unavailable. Anonymous access only.
[10:41] <Gloubiboulga> ah yes
[10:41] <dholbach> *phew*
[10:41] <Seveas> Gloubiboulga, it's just dead-slow
[10:41] <jsgotangco> lol
[10:42] <dholbach> I'd be happy if you could add yourself to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentors
[10:42] <Gloubiboulga> Seveas, yes...
[10:42] <Seveas> it's solved already
[10:42] <Seveas> well, sort-of
[10:42] <Seveas> still slow, but I appear to be logged in 
[10:42] <dholbach> and add ideas to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/Requests
[10:42] <Seveas> dholbach, you wanted a bot? 
[10:42] <jsgotangco> ahh there
[10:42] <jsgotangco> its back
[10:43] <dholbach> Seveas: oh... we didn't add that bit to the spec
[10:43] <Seveas> dholbach, I just read your mail
[10:43] <dholbach> Seveas: somebody brought up the idea to try to make use of a bot for frequently asked questions in motu land
[10:43] <Seveas> dholbach, well, it's here 
[10:43] <dholbach> Ubugtu: @tell dholbach about merging .... or something
[10:44] <dholbach> :-p
[10:44] <Seveas> Do you want a completely separate database for questions?
[10:44] <dholbach> dunno if it has to be separate
[10:44] <dholbach> not sure if that makes sense
[10:44] <Seveas> %config channel plugins.encyclopedia.database ubuntu
[10:44] <ubotu> OK
[10:45] <dholbach> Seveas: if we collect sort of a FAQ on a wiki page, is it easy for you to feed it to the bot's brain?
[10:45] <Seveas> sure
[10:45] <dholbach> super :)
[10:45] <dholbach> ubotu: you're hired!
[10:45] <ubotu> I know nothing about you're hired!
[10:45] <dholbach> hahaha
[10:45] <dholbach> ubotu: you don't know what will hit you :)
[10:45] <ubotu> I know nothing about you don't know what will hit you :)
[10:46] <Seveas> !ubotu > dholbach
[10:46] <imbrandon> !bot
[10:46] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[10:46] <imbrandon> Seveas, same factoids about everywhere else ?
[10:46] <dholbach> rock on
[10:46] <Seveas> imbrandon, yes
[10:46] <imbrandon> good good
[10:46] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:47] <imbrandon> dholbach, " !tell so_and_so about <fact> " works too ;)
[10:48] <Seveas> imbrandon, !fact > persion is shorter
[10:48] <dholbach> imbrandon, Seveas: thanks a lot
[10:48] <imbrandon> Seveas, yea but i always end up typing !name < fact
[10:48] <imbrandon> can you make both work ?
[10:48] <\sh> !tell me how to brew coffee with ubuntu dapper
[10:48] <ubotu> I know nothing about tell me how to brew coffee with ubuntu dapper
[10:48] <\sh> hmmm...we need to know ;)
[10:49] <Seveas> imbrandon, would mean quite a bit of code duplication or making a regex that is already insane super insane
[10:49] <Seveas> so it can be done, but I prefer not to
[10:49] <imbrandon> hehe np , was just a thought , no biggie
[10:50] <dholbach> if we could get cracking on the wiki (CategoryMOTU), I think that'd be a good first step
[10:51] <imbrandon> what would be nice is instead of "I know nothing about ....." be like "<blah> : not in database , try searching http://wiki.ubuntu.com " to stop all the !something_silly_here in -offtopic chans
[10:54] <imbrandon> dholbach, what needs to be done ( on the wiki that is )
[10:54] <imbrandon> just general cleanup ?
[10:54] <dholbach> clean up, chuck out pages that are stale, move pages to namespaces as we outlined them in http://wiki.ubuntu.com/EasierMotuing
[10:55] <dholbach> i know that it's quite some work, but if we all pick a page it should be done in no time :)
[10:55] <imbrandon> ahh okie, i have nothing better to do atm, i'll see what i can help with ;)
[10:55] <imbrandon> is there a way for me to display all "CategoryMOTU" pages ?
[10:55] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryMOTU
[10:55] <Seveas> !imbrandon
[10:55] <ubotu> I know nothing about imbrandon - try searching bots.ubuntulinux.nl, help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:56] <imbrandon> nice Seveas ;)
[10:56] <imbrandon> !fast cars and slow women
[10:56] <ubotu> I know nothing about fast cars and slow women - try searching bots.ubuntulinux.nl, help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:56] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:58] <imbrandon> dumb question but are the debain/changelogs installed somewhere on the computer when  a package is installed ?
[10:58] <dholbach>  /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog.Debian.gz
[10:59] <Seveas> but only if you use dh_installchangelogs 
[10:59] <imbrandon> ahh
[11:00] <imbrandon> so most packages wont have this ( unless its part of cdbs ) ?
[11:00] <imbrandon> erm that made no sense , nvm
[11:01] <dholbach> imbrandon: most packages do it :)
[11:02] <Seveas> and I'm pretty sure cdbs does it too
[11:05] <crimsun> a package without a Debian changelog is worth filing a serious bug on
[11:05] <Gloubiboulga> is there a way to suscribe to all the MOTU/ wiki pages in one shot?
[11:05] <Seveas> Gloubiboulga, yes
[11:05] <Seveas> in your profilepage
[11:06] <Seveas> regex-based subscriptions are very useful 
[11:06] <StevenK> I thought it was wildcarded?
[11:07] <Gloubiboulga> thanks Seveas
[11:07] <siretart> uuh, busy wiki traffik here..
[11:11] <dholbach> if somebody could revamp wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU - that'd be awesome
[11:12] <dholbach> i feel it's a bit clattered and could be a bit more inviting
[11:12] <dholbach> but maybe I'm the only one with that feeling :)
[11:14] <crimsun> iubuntu-artwork (29) looks interesting.
[11:14] <dholbach> ug
[11:14] <Seveas> speaking of which: what are the chances that a feace browser gdm theme will be added for edgy?
[11:15] <imbrandon> iubuntu ?
[11:15] <jsgotangco> hehehe
[11:15] <dholbach> crimsun: thank god it was not the changelog entry for the recent upload :)
[11:15] <jsgotangco> yeah i noticed that oo
[11:15] <imbrandon> Seveas, +1 ( and for kdm too )
[11:15] <crimsun> dholbach: :)
[11:15] <dholbach> Seveas: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
[11:15] <dholbach> Seveas: that's the best guess for that question
[11:15] <Seveas> dholbach, the theme is there already
[11:16] <Seveas> I had it prepared for jdub for dapper months ago...
[11:16] <dholbach> i think decisions will be taken there
[11:16] <imbrandon> even if it was just included and not default i would be happy
[11:17] <imbrandon> zouch /MOTU is kinda ugly , hrm
[11:18] <dholbach> i'm happy to see we get more MOTU/Mentors
[11:18] <imbrandon> montors? heh i just poke anyone ;)
[11:18] <imbrandon> mentors*
[11:19] <slomo_> dholbach: done ;)
[11:19] <dholbach> the MOTU Mentors are more about helping people to get in touch with the team
[11:19] <imbrandon> i guess crimsun+dholbach+ajmitch+riddell+bddebian qualify as my mentors ;)
[11:19] <dholbach> to help them feel comfortable with the lists, with the irc channel, guide them to talk to the right people
[11:20] <dholbach> we should be able to point them to FAQ or something else - not necessarily tell them how to use simple-patchsys.mk or whatever :)
[11:20] <imbrandon> ahh by that name i thought more of a teach how to package one on one
[11:20] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:20] <Hobbsee> oh grrr!  why doesnt this patch like me?
[11:21] <imbrandon> dholbach, yea mentors in that sense is great ( i just use -motu as a mentor lol )
[11:21] <imbrandon> but i see what you mean about someon coming from the outside
[11:21] <raphink> dholbach: I saw you just added MOTU/School to the MOTU main page. Just wondering: is there any more conf planned ?
[11:21] <dholbach> yeah, some people might feel intimidated by the whole lot of processes and people
[11:21] <dholbach> raphink: absolutely
[11:22] <raphink> what/where?
[11:22] <dholbach> raphink: we have to establish the processes for this and make sure we get some more sessions - i think that 15-20 minutes of talking and some demo or discussion afterwards qualifies perfectly as a motu school session
[11:22] <imbrandon> intimidated*
[11:22] <raphink> sure dholbach :)
[11:23] <dholbach> raphink: we are still planning
[11:23] <raphink> ok
[11:23] <raphink> I'd like to sign up as a mentor
[11:23] <raphink> is it just about putting my name on the wiki page?
[11:23] <dholbach> raphink: yep
[11:23] <raphink> or is there an LP group or so?
[11:24] <dholbach> no, not yet, and I'm not sure there is need for that yet
[11:24] <raphink> ok
[11:24] <dholbach> if you disagree we could add that to MOTU/Mentors/Discussion
[11:25] <raphink> :)
[11:25] <imbrandon> oh btw raphink your a revu hacker / admin right ?
[11:25] <raphink> I'd be happy to give a talk if you need me some time dholbach :)
[11:26] <raphink> yes imbrandon
[11:26] <dholbach> raphink: excelltn
[11:26] <raphink> mooooh bad me, I can't edit a wiki page properly
[11:26] <raphink> lol
[11:27] <imbrandon> raphink, i got a question, i have the same key for two email address and one i login with ( brandon@imbrandon.com and one i sign packages with imbrandon@kubuntu.org ) but i cant make comments on packages i upload on revu ;(
[11:27] <imbrandon> know a solution ?
[11:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah yes, that
[11:27] <sivang> raphink: are we talking about virtual or physical school here? ;)
[11:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: which email do you use the sign the packages with?  and in the changelogs?
[11:27] <raphink> virtual sivang, unless you have a place for us to teach at, and students to move there ;)
[11:27] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:27] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, imbrandon@kubuntu.org
[11:28] <sivang> raphink: I wish :) I say we choose the french riviera !
[11:28] <raphink> imbrandon: your login is and will be the one you used the first time you uploaded
[11:28] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: okay, use that email to sign into revu with, and use the recover password to get the p/w for it
[11:28] <raphink> you can't use the kubuntu.org email to log in
[11:28] <Hobbsee> seeing as it's different to the original one
[11:28] <dholbach> i added wiki.ubuntu.com/EasierMotuing/Discussion to see where we stand or discuss problems
[11:28] <Hobbsee> raphink: you cant?
[11:28] <imbrandon> raphink, when i started uploading i used brandon@imbrandon.com but not anylonger ;(
[11:28] <raphink> Hobbsee: no, the account is created only once, with the first add you use, iirc
[11:29] <Hobbsee> raphink: you can sign in with any of the email addresses added to your key.
[11:29] <Hobbsee> as long as the key has been uploaded
[11:29] <imbrandon> raphink, but its the same gpg key for both
[11:29] <imbrandon> right
[11:29] <raphink> ah ok
[11:29] <raphink> :s
[11:29] <imbrandon> see what i mean
[11:29] <Hobbsee> oh good, i wont have to have an argument with you then raphink :P
[11:29] <raphink> I still log in with the email add I first used
[11:30] <imbrandon> i have 2 email addresses with my gpg key, one i used to upload long ago and that my account now i use @kubuntu.org to upload with the same gpg key )
[11:30] <raphink> didnt even try to log in with my ubuntu.com add
[11:30] <raphink> btw, who gives kubuntu.org addresses ?
[11:30] <raphink> I don't remember to have one :s
[11:30] <StevenK> The Kubuntu CC?
[11:31] <raphink> hmm :)
[11:31] <imbrandon> kubuntu community council ;')
[11:31] <imbrandon> you just need to be on the kubuntu-members on LP then LP id@kubuntu.ortg  works
[11:31] <StevenK> That takes talent, when I'm on top of you.
[11:31] <Hobbsee> raphink: we dont give them out, per se - i think riddell does
[11:32] <imbrandon> lol
[11:32] <Hobbsee> StevenK: i have many talents :P
[11:32] <seaLne> anyone know anything about stack protection in gcc 4.1?
[11:32] <raphink> imbrandon: so that means I do have a @kubuntu.org add, and just don't know it yet ;)
[11:32] <Mithrandir> (and then runs away)
[11:32] <StevenK> My rib cage can attest to that.
[11:32] <imbrandon> raphink, if your a member of kubuntu-members on LP then lp_id@kubuntu.org will automaticly forward to your primary LP email
[11:33] <raphink> imbrandon: I'm part of the kubuntu cc, so I better be part of the gruop
[11:33] <imbrandon> hehehe
[11:33] <StevenK> Hah
[11:33] <seaLne> yeah i got round to testing mine yesterday :)
[11:33] <Hobbsee> StevenK: hehe!
[11:33] <Hobbsee> raphink: hehe
[11:33] <raphink> ah well the email works :) good to know :)
[11:33] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: too late.
[11:33] <imbrandon> raphink, yea i think i'm the only person in the world that actualy uses his @kubuntu.org email ;)
[11:33] <imbrandon> hehe well Hobbsee too ;)
[11:33] <raphink> I might begin to use it now :)
[11:33] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i dont have @ubuntu.com ;(
[11:33] <raphink> I mostly use my ubuntu.com add though
[11:34] <StevenK> I don't use my @u.c address.
[11:34] <StevenK> I do use it for signing.
[11:34] <raphink> imbrandon: how come? you should have one if you're a member
[11:34] <seaLne> can you just add extra addresses to your gpg key or are they not truested?
[11:34] <imbrandon> heh LP says i'm indirectly a member of ubuntu-members becouse of kubuntu-membership but @ubuntu.com dont work for me
[11:34] <imbrandon> ;(
[11:34] <StevenK> seaLne: You can.
[11:34] <seaLne> imbrandon: works for me
[11:35] <imbrandon> seaLne, you can add as many as you like
[11:35] <raphink> imbrandon: @ubuntu.com addressees are created manually iirc
[11:35] <StevenK> raphink: They so aren't.
[11:35] <imbrandon> raphink, ahh whom do i poke ?
[11:35] <raphink> StevenK: not anymore you mean?
[11:35] <seaLne> they should work the same as k.o
[11:35] <raphink> ah ok :)
[11:35] <raphink> except for indirect members it seems
[11:35] <StevenK> They weren't when I became a member.
[11:35] <imbrandon> yea i think members of ubuntumembers on LP get @ubuntu.com
[11:36] <raphink> ok
[11:36] <imbrandon> but see i got membership through kcc not cc so i think my @ubuntu stuff got skipped ;)
[11:36] <zakame> hi all
[11:36] <imbrandon> heya zakame
[11:36] <zakame> heya imbrandon !
[11:37] <seaLne> imbrandon: you've tried and it dosen't work?
[11:37] <zakame> hmm merges.ubuntu.com down?
[11:37] <StevenK> I was wondering if there was someone who is a kubuntu member, and not a ubuntu member.
[11:37] <imbrandon> seaLne, yea a long time ago, lemme try again real fast , well infact seaLne got a sec, shoot a mail to imbrandon@ubuntu.com
[11:37] <imbrandon> StevenK, me technicly but not supose to be
[11:38] <StevenK> zakame: elmo seems to be having fun with chinstrap and LP machines, so merges.u.c may also be affected.
[11:38] <seaLne> imbrandon: sent
[11:38] <zakame> StevenK: ah, well, lemme just deal with syncs then :)
[11:38] <sivang> StevenK: what sort of fun? :)
[11:39] <imbrandon> StevenK, i got membership from kcc but never got added to the ubuntumembers on LP only kubuntu-members but it says i'm indirectly a member of ubuntumember blah blah blah
[11:39] <imbrandon> ok seaLne checking
[11:40] <imbrandon> w00t seaLne guess it does work i got it ;) lol
[11:41] <imbrandon> guess when i checked long ago it must have just gotten filtered out
[11:41] <seaLne> hmm now my gpg key thinks @ubuntu.com is the primary any idea how to change it?
[11:42] <imbrandon> seaLne, yea
[11:42] <imbrandon> one sec lemme check how i did it
[11:43] <imbrandon> gpg --edit-key <keyid>
[11:43] <imbrandon> then ...
[11:43] <imbrandon> type the number of the
[11:44] <imbrandon> one you want primary
[11:44] <imbrandon> like 1 or 2
[11:44] <imbrandon> hit <enter> then type "primary" and <enter>
[11:44] <imbrandon> should change it
[11:45] <imbrandon> probbly wanna change the trust to ultimate on your own key too if it isnt
[11:54] <imbrandon> dholbach, whats ExpandingUniverse ?
[11:54] <imbrandon> the wiki link is dead
[11:55] <dholbach> imbrandon: drop it then, it was a spec for breezy
[11:55] <imbrandon> One of our release goals for EdgyEft is ExpandingUniverse and as a part of this, import all the good stuff from [WWW]  http://apt-get.org
[11:55] <imbrandon> ^^
[11:55] <dholbach> oh well
[11:55] <imbrandon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Tasks/AptGetOrg
[11:55] <dholbach> I'll 'unlink' it then :)
[11:55] <tseng> :/ apt-get.org
[11:55] <dholbach> yeah, thanks for telling me
[11:55] <imbrandon> np , i was just looking at it and like huh?
[11:55] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:56] <imbrandon> i got there from /MOTU/Tasks
[11:56] <seaLne> dholbach: do you happen to know anything about stack protection in the new gcc? its causing problems for afflib that i'm trying to package
[11:56] <dholbach> ye thanks
[11:56] <dholbach> seaLne: not at all - you might want to ask doko
[11:57] <dholbach> imbrandon: um
[11:57] <dholbach> imbrandon: you dropped the complete page? :)
[11:57] <seaLne> dholbach: ta
[11:57] <dholbach> *whine*
[11:57] <imbrandon> no
[11:57] <dholbach> uh hum
[11:57] <imbrandon> i dident touch it,
[11:57] <dholbach> ah... typo
[11:57] <imbrandon> i just went and it wasent there
[11:57] <dholbach> nevermind :)
[11:57] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:58] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[11:58] <imbrandon> moins Toadstool
[11:58] <zakame> heya Toadstool
[11:58] <Toadstool> hey imbrandon, zakame
[12:01] <seaLne> doko: i'm having some problems with a package due to stack protection in gcc are you able to help?
[12:02] <doko> seaLne: please either disable it, or ask pitti on #ubuntu-devel
[12:04] <seaLne> doko: ok
[12:05] <pitti> hi
[12:05] <pitti> seaLne: you had a problem with SSP?
[12:07] <seaLne> pitti: yes http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2670 aimage fails and stracing shows it is due to SSP and afident aswell
[12:09] <pitti> seaLne: fails during build or runtime?
[12:10] <seaLne> pitti: afident: http://pastebin.ca/85944 aimage: http://pastebin.ca/85945
[12:10] <seaLne> pitti: runtime
[12:10] <pitti> seaLne: erk, build-dep on emacs21? why is this necessary?
[12:10] <StevenK> Ow.
[12:10] <seaLne> tags, i was going to look at that
[12:11] <StevenK> That's as bad as webdvd, which Build-Depends on mozilla-browser.
[12:11] <pitti> seaLne: please drop emacs21 and linux-headers-2.6, it works fine without
[12:11] <seaLne> ok
[12:11] <pitti> seaLne: userspace apps must not rely on particular kernel headers
[12:11] <dholbach> StevenK: there's quite a lot build-depending on firefox-dev, etc (which pulls in firefox as well) :)
[12:11] <seaLne> you get an error about etags without emacs tho
[12:12] <StevenK> seaLne: ctags?
[12:12] <pitti> $ grep etags afflib_1.6.28-0ubuntu1_amd64.build
[12:12] <pitti> $
[12:12] <StevenK> Why the hell do you need etags to build...
[12:12] <pitti> seaLne: hm, I don't
[12:12] <seaLne> sorry i can't quite remember
[12:13] <seaLne> i'll rebuild without those
[12:13] <StevenK> Perhaps etags is required at run-time, and not build-time?
[12:14] <pitti> $ /usr/bin/afident --help
[12:14] <pitti> Device parameters:
[12:14] <pitti> System Info:
[12:14] <pitti> MAC Addresses:
[12:14] <pitti> 00:06:4F:06:80:7C
[12:14] <pitti>                  SW*
[12:14] <pitti> 00:0F:EA:EA:28:B0
[12:14] <pitti>                  SW*
[12:14] <pitti> seaLne: ^ this looks like a buffer overflow
[12:14] <pitti> seaLne: or improper termination
[12:14] <StevenK> SSP to the rescue again!
[12:15] <seaLne> ok so it is actually a problem, thats "good" i suppose :)
[12:15] <pitti> seaLne: I'm on amd64, and due to different memory layout I apparently don't get a corrupted stack
[12:15] <pitti> seaLne: yes :)
[12:16] <pitti> $ find -name afident
[12:16] <pitti> ./debian/afflib/usr/bin/afident
[12:16] <pitti> seaLne: hm, where is the source for that?
[12:17] <ajmitch> hi pitti
[12:17] <seaLne> pitti: afident is renamed from ident
[12:18] <pitti> seaLne: ok, happy debugging then :)
[12:18] <seaLne> pitti: thanks
[12:18] <pitti> seaLne: you're welcome :)
[12:18] <pitti> moin ajmitch
[12:21] <siretart> !packaging
[12:21] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[12:21] <siretart> cool :)
[12:21] <siretart> !Seveas++
[12:21] <ubotu> I know nothing about Seveas++ - try searching bots.ubuntulinux.nl, help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com
[12:21] <ajmitch> hehe
[12:21] <siretart> ;)
[12:21] <ajmitch> !REVU
[12:21] <ubotu> REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU
[12:21] <ajmitch> great
[12:25] <StevenK> Er, s/wireless/wireless will drop out/
[12:27] <seaLne> err if you move far enough it will :)
[12:27] <StevenK> Shush. :-)
[12:34] <StevenK> Oof.
[12:34] <ajmitch> now the dog will get you
[12:35] <ajmitch> amazing how much better wireless works here
[12:36] <ajmitch> I wonder if it was your AP, my card, or the combination of both
[12:36] <StevenK> I think my AP was somewhat to blame.
[12:37] <StevenK> It was still shocking the following day until I got the shits entirely, turned it off for 10 minutes and then plugged it back in again.
[12:37] <ajmitch> I had similar with a d-link in canberra
[12:53] <Whoopie> Hi all! Where can I find a guide for the package version scheme? Is it right that if a package exists on ubuntu (but not on debian), its version is foo-1.0-0ubuntu1. Or is it foo-1.0-1ubuntu1?
[12:57] <dholbach> 0ubuntu1 is right
[12:57] <imbrandon> -0ubuntu1 if its not in debian , and the packaging guide is at help.ubuntu.com
[12:57] <dholbach> -1ubuntu1 means there was a -1 in debian and we did changes to it
[12:57] <imbrandon> !packagingguide
[12:57] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[12:57] <imbrandon> ^^ there ;)
[12:58] <dholbach> seems like a paragraph about version numbers would be in order
[12:58] <imbrandon> probably not a bad idea if its not there alreadt
[12:59] <imbrandon> already*
[12:59] <dholbach> should we add that to MOTU/Documentation/TODO or to MOTU/FAQ or just add it to ubotu?
[12:59] <imbrandon> i would add it to TODO to be added to the package guild later ( and maybe faq also )
[12:59] <imbrandon> then ubotu can point to those
[01:00] <imbrandon> guide*
[01:00] <dholbach> ok, who does it? ;)
[01:00] <imbrandon> the bot?
[01:00] <imbrandon> ahh , i can ;)
[01:01] <dholbach> hum
[01:01] <imbrandon> then i need to go get ready for court ( grumbles about having to goto court today )
[01:01] <dholbach> MOTU/Documentation/Todo doesn't look like a todo page
[01:01] <tseng> < elmo> LP is going down in 13 minutes, ETD is 10 mins
[01:01] <Whoopie> dholbach, imbrandon: thanks!
[01:01] <tseng> fyi
[01:01] <imbrandon> thanks tseng
[01:02] <imbrandon> hrm your right dholbach
[01:02] <imbrandon> looks kinda out of date too
[01:07] <imbrandon> ugh the MOTU wiki , is a mess, I guess I know what i'll be doing when i get home from court and the next few days ;)
[01:08] <imbrandon> heh
[01:12] <imbrandon> ubotu, versioning is <reply> Ubuntu and Debian have slightly different package versioning schemes http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html#id2528873
[01:12] <imbrandon> !versioning
[01:12] <ubotu> I know nothing about versioning - try searching bots.ubuntulinux.nl, help.ubuntu.com and wiki.ubuntu.com
[01:12] <imbrandon> ubotu versioning is <reply> Ubuntu and Debian have slightly different package versioning schemes http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html#id2528873
[01:12] <imbrandon> ugh
[01:13] <imbrandon> %whoami
[01:13] <ubotu> imbrandon
[01:13] <siretart> imbrandon: you need to register at ubotu, see wiki/ubuntu-motu mailing list
[01:13] <imbrandon> %editors
[01:13] <ubotu> Seveas, gnomefreak, apokryphos, ompaul, thoreauputic, Hobbsee, Amaranth, bimberi, nalioth, Madpilot, LjL, Riddell, imbrandon, uniq
[01:14] <imbrandon> ^^ nope it sees me
[01:14] <imbrandon> hrm
[01:14] <siretart> are you athenticated?
[01:14] <Seveas> imbrandon: %whoami
[01:14] <imbrandon> yea
[01:14] <imbrandon> %whoami
[01:14] <ubotu> imbrandon
[01:14] <Seveas> did you get an error message?
[01:14] <imbrandon> nope
[01:15] <Seveas> odd
[01:15] <Seveas> ahh
[01:15] <Seveas> adding works only with !, not with nickname
[01:15] <imbrandon> ahh doh
[01:15] <Seveas> only displaying worls with nickname
[01:15] <imbrandon> !versioning is <reply> Ubuntu and Debian have slightly different package versioning schemes see for an explination http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html#id2528873
[01:15] <ubotu> I'll remember that
[01:15] <imbrandon> there we go
[01:16] <StevenK> What is ubotu?
[01:16] <StevenK> Blootbot?
[01:16] <Seveas> ubotu, tell StevenK about yourself
[01:16] <Seveas> StevenK, supybot
[01:16] <imbrandon> StevenK, a bot with factoids to help with FAQ's
[01:16] <imbrandon> its used in #ubuntu and #kubuntu alot and now here for motu hopefulls
[01:16] <StevenK> imbrandon: I figured that part out for myself. :-)
[01:16] <imbrandon> heheh
[01:17] <imbrandon> !packageversions is <alias> versioning
[01:17] <ubotu> I'll remember that
[01:17] <imbrandon> !packageversions
[01:17] <ubotu> Ubuntu and Debian have slightly different package versioning schemes see for an explination http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html#id2528873
[01:17] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:17] <imbrandon> there we go , all fixed up
[01:17] <Seveas> gotta love <alias>'es
[01:17] <StevenK> I note ubotu didn't tell me anything.
[01:18] <Ubugtu> ubotu, tell Seveas about yourself
[01:18] <Seveas> hmm, bug
[01:18] <imbrandon> !bot > StevenK
[01:19] <StevenK> That worked
[01:19] <imbrandon> Seveas, shouldent it have messaged me telling me it told him ?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> Seveas: explination ?
[01:20] <StevenK> It's the new English.
[01:20] <Seveas> imbrandon, no - that becomes annoying very quickly
[01:20] <imbrandon> Seveas, true , i thought that was the old behavure
[01:21] <imbrandon> gah anyhow i got to get a shower and such, bbiab after court
[01:21] <imbrandon> see ya Seveas StevenK Hobbsee dholbach and everyone ;)
[01:21] <dholbach> bye imbrandon
[01:21] <StevenK> Seveas: s/explination/explanation/
[01:22] <Hobbsee> bye imbrandon
[01:22] <Hobbsee> hah
[01:22] <imbrandon> !no versioning is Ubuntu and Debian have slightly different package versioning schemes see for an explanation http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html#id2528873
[01:22] <ubotu> I'll remember that
[01:22] <imbrandon> ;) oops
[01:40] <Seveas> !versioning =~ s/^/<reply> /
[01:40] <ubotu> I'll remember that
[01:40] <Seveas> btw: bug solved
[01:45] <Hobbsee> Seveas: which bug?
[01:46] <Seveas> in ubotu
[01:46] <Seveas> "ubotu, tell foo about bar" was failing
[01:46] <Hobbsee> ah
[01:46] <Seveas> just shows that the !foo > bar syntax is far more popular 
[01:47] <Seveas> because it must have been broken for days 
[01:47] <StevenK> ubotu: tell me about yourself
[01:47] <StevenK> Hah!
[01:48] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:31] <seaLne> what do i need to do to compile a program with debuggung symbols?
[02:34] <Toadstool> seaLne: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingProgramCrash
[02:35] <seaLne> ah, thanks
[02:36] <seaLne> i was looking at gcc flags but i guess i could try it that way
[02:41] <seaLne> that didn't make gdb anymore informative just i didn't get any messages about debugging symbols missing
[03:58] <Riddell> any gnome users here?
[03:58] <ogra> nope, we all switched to icewm :)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> more like asking if anyone's actually awake in here
[03:59] <Riddell> I need a screenshot of the help meu from nautilus
[04:00] <ogra> would german suffice ?
[04:01] <Riddell> ogra: sadly no
[04:06] <fowlduck> Riddell: get a liveCD
[04:06] <StevenK> Riddell: If I can figure how to get Gnome to take a fragging screenshot with a menu down, it's yours.
[04:07] <fowlduck> Riddell: ex: gentoo, ubuntu, kororaa
[04:08] <ogra> fowlduck, i'm pretty sure he needs the ubuntu specific help menu ;)
[04:08] <fowlduck> oh right, we're in an ubuntu channel
[04:09] <Riddell> gnome-screenshot --delay 4
[04:09] <StevenK> Done
[04:10] <StevenK> Riddell: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/Screenshot.jpg
[04:10] <Riddell> The requested URL /~steven/Screenshot.jpg was not found on this server.
[04:10] <StevenK> Riddell: .png, sorry
[04:10] <dholbach> Riddell: i wrote you an url in the query ;)
[04:12] <Riddell> dholbach: got that thanks, but needed it in English too
[04:12] <Riddell> interestingly those launchpad menu options don't follow the HIG
[04:12] <dholbach> ahhh ok
[04:28] <havoc> yay, new bitlbee in edgy
[04:30] <jsgotangco> thats nice
[04:32] <havoc> yeah, now I just need to figure out how to pin edgy in dapper
[04:32] <_ion> I'd just use the source packages.
[04:32] <havoc> eh, I'm lazy though ;)
[05:04] <dooglus> StevenK: in a terminal: "sleep 3; import -window root file.png", then open the menu, and wait 3 seconds.
[05:05] <tseng> sleep 5 && gnome-screenshot
[05:05] <tseng> :))
[05:06] <Hobbsee> dooglus: he went to bed
[05:06] <dooglus> Hobbsee: I'm sorry, I didn't realise this was #ubuntu-motu
[05:06] <dooglus> Hobbsee: irssi truncated the channel name to #ubuntu
[05:07] <Hobbsee> dooglus: not a problem, but i'm just saying that StevenK went to bed a while ago, so wont see your message for a while :P
[05:14] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Morning.  Or in your case probably late afternoon there :)
[05:14] <Hobbsee> hey Hawkwind
[05:14] <Hobbsee> @time sydney
[05:14] <Ubugtu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: July 13 2006, 01:14:51
[05:14] <Hobbsee> it really is morning
[05:15] <Hawkwind> Ohhhh
[05:15] <Hawkwind> You're further into my future than I realized
[05:16] <Hawkwind> @time houston
[05:16] <Hawkwind> @time chicago
[05:16] <Ubugtu> Current time in America/Chicago: July 12 2006, 10:16:52
[05:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:18] <Toadstool> @time san diego
[05:18] <Toadstool> tss :p
[05:23] <imbrandon> dholbach, you got another half sec ?
[05:24] <dholbach> yep
[05:24] <imbrandon> is there any way you can check for my emails on the -motu mailing list , i'm getting doubles and it said your the admin ( all the onther lists.ubuntu.com ML i only get one )
[05:25] <imbrandon> brandon@imbrandon.com & imbrandon@kubuntu.org <--- the latter should be the only one subscribed
[05:26] <imbrandon> only thing i can think of is i'm subscibed twice
[05:29] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: unsubscribe one?
[05:29] <imbrandon> um if i knew that they was both subscibed LOL, i dont wanna STOP getting the ML ;)
[05:29] <imbrandon> i guess i could try it and wait to see if any mail hits it ;)
[05:31] <imbrandon> done, now we'll see if something comes accross -motu ;)
[05:31] <Gloubiboulga> welcome jdmpike ;)
[05:31] <jdmpike> when will gnucash-2.0.0 be added to the repos?
[05:31] <jdmpike> hehe
[05:31] <jdmpike> it is out and I want it
[05:31] <jdmpike> I had build problems building it though
[05:32] <jdmpike> I have been throwing money at the gnucash devs for the 2.0 release and now it is here
[05:32] <imbrandon> zOMG i want a PONY too ;) just kidding, probbly when someone gets time to package it for edgy , but kinda pointless since x-window-system-core is broke atm in edgy ;)
[05:33] <hub> is it me, or there is no UI in KUbuntu to enable universe
[05:33] <imbrandon> hub, adept kinda has a sources.list editor
[05:33] <hub> kinda, I haven't found it
[05:33] <jdmpike> I *REALLY* want it for my favorite distro
[05:33] <hub> I'm going to the other channel
[05:33] <imbrandon> jdmpike, patients
[05:33] <hub> I barely use UI installer, but...
[05:34] <jdmpike> imbrandon, I hear yeah - I am just totally excited
[05:34] <imbrandon> jdmpike, well lets get things like X working before gnucash ;)
[05:34] <imbrandon> wb Seveas
[05:34] <jdmpike> imbrandon, my fiance didn't like the old version because it looked "old" so she wouldn't use it
[05:35] <jdmpike> do the motu only manage packages for edgy?
[05:35] <jdmpike> should I just force the debian people to get it in their repos?
[05:35] <imbrandon> we manage the universe ( IE motu == masters of the univers ) ;)
[05:35] <jdmpike> hehe
[05:36] <jdmpike> yeah - totally... motu, I want to build you guys a compile farm
[05:36] <imbrandon> build me a ppc compile farm an i will be happy ;) j/k
[05:36] <lionelp> jdmpike: gnucash 2 is already in Debian SID
[05:36] <lionelp> so it should arrive in edgy realy soon
[05:36] <imbrandon> jdmpike, if its in SID it will be in edgy soonish
[05:37] <jdmpike> is there a program like that? so you can donate unused cpu cycles to building code?
[05:37] <imbrandon> jdmpike, not afaik but thats a neat idea
[05:38] <jdmpike> hmmm - I don't know if it would help that much, but I know there are a *LOT* of unused cycles out there...
[05:39] <Gloubiboulga> lionelp, do you want to check if we could sync gnucash from debian?
[05:40] <lionelp> I can dot it yes :)
[05:40] <Gloubiboulga> cool :)
[05:52] <jdmpike> so what does the process look like, a package goes in to edgy, then to dapper? Is there documentation about how I can help?
[05:52] <Hobbsee> jdmpike: usually it doesnt go into dapper
[05:52] <jdmpike> I haven't really found my niche about how I can contribute back to the software I love so much
[05:52] <lionelp> Gloubiboulga, jdmpike: in fact, it is already in edgy : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnucash/2.0.0-1
[05:52] <lionelp> but it fails to build due to a python problem
[05:52] <Hobbsee> dholbach: a chance to show your MOTU guide thing out?  ;P
[05:53] <Hobbsee> s/show/implement && s/guide/spec
[05:53] <jdmpike> hmm - so you are saying that gnucash 2.0 won't be released for dapper?
[05:53] <jdmpike> that can't be right the LTS means that people will be running it for years
[05:55] <lionelp> jdmpike: yes, but the principe of the release is that once it is released, you do not change everything :)
[05:57] <Gloubiboulga> lionelp, oh nice, thanks for checking :)
[06:02] <jdmpike> are you people running edgy now?
[06:03] <Toadstool> jdmpike: only in a chroot for the moment :)
[06:07] <seaLne> how in general do people here write manpages for commnads that don't have them?
[06:07] <Hobbsee> seaLne: docbook2man?
[06:07] <Gloubiboulga> jdmpike, I run edgy but I spent half the day rebuildind Xfce packages, not very productive ;)
[06:07] <seaLne> Hobbsee: and what do you put in them?
[06:08] <Hobbsee> seaLne: no idea, i try to avoid documenation like the plage
[06:08] <Hobbsee> there's also docbook2html
[06:08] <nixternal> haha
[06:09] <Hobbsee> i think
[06:09] <nixternal> there is docbook2whatever you want now a days it seems, you are correct though Hobbsee with the docbook2html
[06:09] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:14] <seaLne> Toadstool: what was wrong with the version of synce-kde that i had uploaded to revu 6 weeks ago?
[06:15] <Toadstool> seaLne: just forgot to add the previous ubuntu changelog entries
[06:16] <Toadstool> I had no idea you had uploaded a synce-kde merge to REVU though
[06:16] <Toadstool> sorry
[06:17] <Toadstool> seaLne: http://revu.tauware.de/diff.py?upid1=2376&upid2=2689 for the diff
[06:20] <seaLne> yeah i wasn't sure at that point how changelog were supposed to be done
[06:21] <Toadstool> seaLne: anyway if you want to merge packages take a look at http://merges.ubuntu.com/
[06:26] <seaLne> reminds me to sort the changelog of kmobiletools
[07:34] <bddebian> Heya gang
[07:35] <Yagisan> bddebian !
[07:35] <bddebian> Heya Yagisan
[07:35] <bddebian> Yagisan: Your a security guy aren't you?
[07:36] <Yagisan> bddebian: yes I am
[07:36] <Yagisan> what's wrong ?
[07:36] <Yagisan> (and is it billable >:) )
[07:36] <bddebian> I have some questions about PKI
[07:36] <Yagisan> ah
[07:36] <Yagisan> shoot, and I'll answer as best I can
[07:37] <bddebian> Can I do any type of private->private key encryption?  I want an encrypted file that only someone with a specific key can unencrypt (i.e. not a public key)
[07:39] <Yagisan> bddebian: encrypt with the targets public key, or use a symmetric cypher.
[07:40] <Yagisan> bddebian: eg say you gpg encrypt an email
[07:40] <Yagisan> you use your targets public key to encrypt it, so only your targets private key can unlock it
[07:41] <bddebian> I like it
[07:42] <bddebian> Oh yeah it's awesome, I'm just too stupid :-)
[07:42] <bddebian> Thanks btw
[07:42] <Yagisan> bddebian: anytime
[07:46] <bddebian> I get so much love in -devel ;-P
[07:46] <FunnyLookinHat> Anyone here working on MythTV packages in the repos?
[07:46] <FunnyLookinHat> ping me if you are please  : )
[08:03] <Yagisan> FunnyLookinHat: a long time ago, it was mdz's, but now, I don't think anyone in particular looks after it
[08:04] <FunnyLookinHat> Yagisan, Ok...  that would explain why it's so out of date.  I'd like to undertake updating it to the most recent version and getting packages in the repos updated.
[08:04] <FunnyLookinHat> At least for Edgy.
[08:04] <FunnyLookinHat> Yagisan, should I just pursue the regular process for joining MOTU and then go from there?
[08:05] <Yagisan> FunnyLookinHat: well, I've yet to actually go for MOTU myself
[08:05] <Yagisan> FunnyLookinHat: is it newer in Debian ?
[08:07] <Yagisan> FunnyLookinHat: if so, IIRC the correct procedure is to file a bug requesting a sync in lp (I'm sure crimsun or someone else will correct me if I'm wrong)
[08:07] <FunnyLookinHat> Yagisan, good question.  I should check the debian repos to see what they have.  From what I understand Ubuntu packaged it's own thing... but all the support and doc on wiki is very sketchy at this point
[08:07] <FunnyLookinHat> Yagisan, yea I filed a bug on the package for an update to start at least
[08:08] <Yagisan> FunnyLookinHat: hmm, debian doesn't have it.
[08:09] <FunnyLookinHat> Yeah, looks like I'll have to compile/package it myself.  but I don't mind at all!  been looking for an excuse to get into ubuntu devel for a while
[08:09] <FunnyLookinHat> I know there are custom .deb packages out there somewhere
[08:10] <Yagisan> FunnyLookinHat: try contacting the maintainer listed for the package
[08:10] <Yagisan> see if there are plans to update, and offer to help
[08:10] <FunnyLookinHat> Hmm.  Where would I find that (didn't see one on launchpad at first glance)
[08:11] <FunnyLookinHat> ooh yea
[08:11] <LaserJock> FunnyLookinHat: have you looked on REVU?
[08:11] <FunnyLookinHat> Matt Zimmerman
[08:11] <FunnyLookinHat> LaserJock, REVU?
[08:11] <LaserJock> FunnyLookinHat: revu.tauware.de
[08:12] <FunnyLookinHat> Lol
[08:12] <FunnyLookinHat> the most recent message on there for mythtv "And as a final word: there is a new version of mythtv, which we really should get into multiverse for edgy."
[08:12] <FunnyLookinHat> Exactly what I'm looking to do.  And mdz is still listed at the maintainer of it.  Maybe I should drop him an email
[08:12] <LaserJock> k
[08:13] <Yagisan> FunnyLookinHat: good idea. he is in -devel, but I understand he's a busy guy
[08:13] <LaserJock> that's an understatment ;-)
[08:14] <FunnyLookinHat> ya, hahaha.  He is VERY busy from what I've heard of him   : )
[08:14] <FunnyLookinHat> I have to go for a bit, but I'll get back to him.
[08:14] <FunnyLookinHat> Thanks for all the help Yagisan and LaserJock !
[08:14] <LaserJock> you should just ask him real quick if he minds if you update the package
[08:14] <LaserJock> I doubt he will
[08:15] <FunnyLookinHat> ok sweet
[08:15] <Yagisan> FunnyLookinHat: your welcome. Most people are happy for co-maintainers (I'd like some for my not-yet-in-ubuntu packages)
[08:16] <LaserJock> well, Ubuntu is nice that way, nobody "owns" a package
[08:16] <LaserJock> so you can spread the maintanence joy around ;-)
[08:16] <Yagisan> once is passes license muster of course
[08:17] <Yagisan> there is a disadvantage though. sometimes things get no love
[08:18] <LaserJock> yep
[08:18] <LaserJock> that's why we need lots and lots of people
[08:19] <LaserJock> so we can rule the UNIVERSE, mwuahahahaha!
[08:20] <Yagisan> LaserJock: that's part of the reason I only pay attention to the apps I use often.
[08:21] <LaserJock> and that's why I'm trying to keep up with 450 source packages :-)
[08:22] <LaserJock> luckily either they aren't used very much or scientists are bad bug reports because it isn't terribly overwhelming
[08:23] <LaserJock> enough to keep me busy, no doubt, but managable with the help of a certian diety-like dev ;-)
[08:24] <Yagisan> LaserJock: be happy I don't do that many apps. otherwise it would be the Efft Edgy release ;) (I break more code then I fix it seems)
[08:27] <LaserJock> haha, I just let bddebian do the breaking ;-)
[08:27] <bddebian> heh
[08:27] <LaserJock> j/k bddebian, you know we love  you
[09:05] <LaserJock> awwwww, thanks dad ;-)
[09:13] <sivang> LaserJock: that scence you described just don't get out of my head since we talked about :)
[09:13] <sivang> LaserJock: I keep trying to imimagine how that looks
[09:13] <LaserJock> sivang: just a sec
[09:16] <Yagisan> hmm. debian has been compromised again :(
[09:17] <zul> hmm?
[09:18] <zul> Yagisan: what happened?
[09:19] <Yagisan> zul: on d-d-a elmo sent a message staing that someone broke into gluck.debian.org
[09:19] <stratus> calm down, there's no "debian compromise"
[09:19] <stratus> yes, it was gluck
[09:19] <stratus> ddtp, lintian, people, popcon and some other stuff
[09:20] <LaserJock> sivang: grab http://www.chem.unr.edu/~mantha/2063.pdf real quick
[09:20] <stratus> the archive is ok
[09:20] <zul> it was bddebian! ;)
[09:20] <stratus> the last time it was a lame with a 0day leaked exploit that tried to look like the cool thing
[09:22] <sivang> LaserJock: wow, you're quite published :-)
[09:22] <LaserJock> not me
[09:22] <LaserJock> that's my predeccesor
[09:22] <sivang> LaserJock: ah, I see
[09:22] <sivang> LaserJock: I hope I will be able to decipher 30% of the words on this text
[09:23] <sivang> LaserJock: :)
[09:23] <LaserJock> sivang: just look at the pictures/captions
[09:23] <LaserJock> sivang: also try http://www.chem.unr.edu/~mantha/360-Rotate-slow-loop.mov
[09:23] <LaserJock> sivang: that's a movie of the molecule I'll be working on, the motor
[09:24] <LaserJock> just don't go publishing it anywhere, my boss will have my hide if our competitors get ahold of it ;-)
[09:25] <sivang> LaserJock: oh crap, you've just pasted it in a public channel ;-)
[09:25] <LaserJock> and I'll be removing the files as soon as you have them ;-)
[09:25] <sivang> already have
[09:25] <sivang> go ahead
[09:25] <LaserJock> k
[09:25] <slomo_> i have it too now ;P
[09:26] <LaserJock> good
[09:26] <LaserJock> as long as it's just you CS geeks
[09:26] <sivang> hehe
[09:26] <sivang> slomo_: hi!
[09:26] <sivang> slomo_: how wsa the test??
[09:27] <slomo_> hi sivang :) the test was much easier than i expected... i could've spent all the time learning more useful ;)
[09:27] <sivang> aha
[09:27] <sivang> you should do more merges instead :p
[09:28] <slomo_> no, not today... today i'll do some coding again :)
[09:29] <sivang> slomo_: oh cool, what are you coding?
[09:30] <slomo_> "fixing" or better rewriting from scratch of 3 gstreamer plugins... wavpackdec, wavpackparse and wavpackenc
[09:31] <sivang> slomo_: oh man, this is some hard core coding :)
[09:31] <sivang> slomo_: an you have to know the formulas for wavepack or is it mostly raw sampleing with some compression on top?
[09:32] <sivang> slomo_: I am thinking how to make the home user bakcup daemon know how much time passed sinc ehte last backup
[09:33] <slomo_> no, i'm only using libwavpack for everything... would be insane to reimplement it when there already is a nice implemention from which i know the author good and helping him on defining a nice API :) so it's not that hard as it probably sounds first
[09:33] <slomo_> but i have to do some fiddling with raw samples nonetheless unfortunately :/
[09:33] <sivang> slomo_: as testing ?
[09:33] <slomo_> sivang: making it a session daemon... hmm, another daemon eating ram although it does nothing most of the time ;) make it a cron job or something...
[09:34] <slomo_> "as testing"?
[09:34] <sivang> 20:33 < slomo_> but i have to do some fiddling with raw samples nonetheless unfortunately :/
[09:34] <sivang> ^^ for testing?
[09:34] <sivang> slomo_: right, not a daemon, I meant a cronjob that will fire up a script that will check how much time passed
[09:36] <slomo_> oh... no, for getting the samples to a format that libwavpack likes and getting it into raw samples again that gstreamer likes ;) wasn't that easy to make it work on ppc and x86. but most of the work is in the actual behaviour of the plugins
[09:36] <slomo_> that sounds saner again :) but it must be a system cronjob, no?
[09:37] <havoc> probably doesn't affect ubuntu though
[09:41] <sivang> slomo_: I'd like to make it per user
[09:41] <sivang> slomo_: as the specification use cases show :)
[09:41] <LaserJock> havoc: what did it effect in Debian?
[09:41] <slomo_> sivang: how? writing a ~/.crontab for the user?
[09:41] <sivang> slomo_: not going to deal with system backup for now, only for edgy+1
[09:41] <slomo_> LaserJock: <stratus> ddtp, lintian, people, popcon and some other stuff
[09:41] <havoc> LaserJock: unknown thus far: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/07/msg00003.html
[09:42] <havoc> well, little known
[09:42] <havoc> or little reported
[09:42] <stratus> there's nothing wrong in the elmo message
[09:42] <stratus> gluck hosts that services
[09:42] <stratus> the archive is ok
[09:43] <havoc> and I sincerely hope it stays that way
[09:43] <sivang> slomo_: hmm, godo point. Any other ideas?
[09:43] <sivang> slomo_: nothing I could cling into that's already doing checkups?
[09:43] <slomo_> sivang: no... but the ~/.crontab could work imho
[09:45] <sivang> slomo_: maybe I will make the huabckup create it, and not install it through packaging.
[09:45] <sivang> slomo_: actually this sounds the best way to do it anyways
[09:46] <slomo_> you must not do anything with the users home directory through packaging anyway :P
[10:21] <sivang> slomo_: right, so I would just have HUB check if that file exists and if not create it and tell user (you have never done a backup before)
[10:22] <hub> me?
[10:24] <sivang> hub: oh sorry
[10:24] <sivang> slomo_: s/hub/hubackup/
[10:27] <pygi> sivang, you gonna respond perhaps? ^_^
[10:58] <chantra> hi, is siretart or ajmitch or raphink here?
[10:58] <chantra> I've uploaded subtitleeditor_0.8.1-1ubuntu0 on revu, but it doesn't seems to have been updated
[10:59] <raphink> well I seem to be
[10:59] <raphink> let's see
[10:59] <chantra> cheers raphink
[10:59] <raphink> hi chantra
[11:00] <raphink> chantra: did you add yourself to the ubuntu-universe-contributors group on LP?
[11:00] <chantra> ? nope, I don't think so, I validated my gpg key, that's all
[11:00] <chantra> what is LP by the way :s
[11:00] <raphink> launchpad
[11:01] <chantra> no, I simply registered to launchpad
[11:01] <raphink> we are migrating REVU to LP progressively
[11:01] <raphink> and now you have to join https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-universe-contributors
[11:01] <raphink> in order to upload to REVU
[11:01] <raphink> I sent an email about that to the motu ML
[11:01] <raphink> some time ago
[11:01] <raphink> so just join the team
[11:01] <raphink> tell me when you have done it
[11:02] <raphink> and I'll put your package in the incoming queue again
[11:02] <raphink> I'll brb
[11:03] <chantra> okie cheers
[11:05] <chantra> raphink: okie, I've just joined, should I re upload the package
[11:05] <chantra> ?
[11:06] <FunnyLookinHat> poor raphink seems to have connection issues  : (
[11:06] <raphink> no chantra
[11:06] <raphink> FunnyLookinHat: no I did say I was to come back in a few minutes ;)
[11:06] <FunnyLookinHat> oh yea.... guess I'm not reading well today
[11:06] <raphink> wait a few minutes chantra I have to update the keyring
[11:07] <chantra> okie
[11:07] <chantra> my key was accepted though
[11:08] <raphink> sure
[11:08] <raphink> just wait a bit
[11:08] <FunnyLookinHat> I still have to get my key and everything setup so I can joun the team....   ^_^
[11:08] <chantra> raphink: , when I uploaded, I was able to upload
[11:09] <crimsun> I /love/ feature requests that FTBFS
[11:09] <chantra> so I guess my key was accepted
[11:09] <crimsun> love with brick+sharp_pointy_stick
[11:09] <FunnyLookinHat> crimsun, FTBFS?  that's a new one for me....
[11:09] <FunnyLookinHat> I assume it's a lot of cursing, haha
[11:09] <crimsun> install bsdgames, then ``wtf ftbfs''
[11:10] <raphink> yes I know chantra but this has changed and this is why I sent the email
[11:10] <raphink> chantra: now let's wait 5 minutes. If all goes well your package should be there
[11:11] <FunnyLookinHat> crimsun, it doens't know what it means!
[11:11] <phanatic> evening
[11:11] <chantra> raphink: okie, cheers
[11:11] <raphink> chantra: you have your gpg key on LP right?
[11:11] <crimsun> FunnyLookinHat: it means "failed to build from source"
[11:11] <FunnyLookinHat> Ahhh ok.
[11:12] <FunnyLookinHat> I hate those as well...  such as all the people wanting akamaru (that os x gnome bar thingy)
[11:13] <chantra> raphink: currently doing it
[11:14] <raphink> chantra: ah ... then I'll have to run the update keyring again
[11:15] <raphink> chantra: tell me when your key is added to LP
[11:18] <chantra> sorry raphink , just can't find your mail in all those motu mails :s
[11:19] <raphink> I sent it on the 30th of june
[11:21] <crimsun> does someone have a fast ia32 edgy pbuilder?
[11:21] <crimsun> [that I could abuse for ~30 mins] 
[11:21] <raphink> crimsun: tiber has one
[11:22] <crimsun> (right, but I don't have ssh access [that I know of] )
[11:22] <pygi> raphink, !!!
[11:22] <raphink> hi pygi
[11:22] <pygi> hi raphink :)
[11:29] <chantra> raphink: okie, I validated my key
[11:29] <raphink> good
[11:29] <raphink> give me some time now
[11:29] <chantra> okie dokie
[11:32] <chantra> by the way, I didn't find your mail, filtering your nick, date..., just updates,comments and spams
[11:38] <LaserJock> 6/30/06 is when I have his email
[11:39] <LaserJock> chantra: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2006-June/000723.html
[11:40] <chantra> cheers LaserJock
[11:41] <chantra> I guess I'm not in this ist, will register after lunch
[11:41] <chantra> I'l just in motu-reviewer :s
[11:41] <LaserJock> ah
[11:59] <chantra> okie raphink subtitleeditor made is way up. Tks for the help
[11:59] <raphink> you're welcome :)
[12:01] <raphink> yes I guess chantra :)