| LaserJock | so I fired off an "Edubuntu is totally what you want" email too | 12:13 |
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| ogra | i had a mail from the "institute for german unemployees munich" today ... they use edubuntu everywhere and wanted to know if its leagal to use arial and verdana :) | 12:14 |
| crimsun | I hope you added the disclaimer that you're involved in it :) | 12:14 |
| crimsun | that's a pretty important clarification | 12:14 |
| crimsun | (to LaserJock ) | 12:14 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: well, I'm just on the Edubuntu Council, that's not really "involved" ;-) | 12:15 |
| ogra | haha | 12:15 |
| crimsun | except you have source code going into it | 12:15 |
| ogra | crimsun, by the way ... | 12:15 |
| crimsun | ogra: hi | 12:15 |
| ogra | i have weird probs with an usb headset here | 12:15 |
| crimsun | dapper or edgy? | 12:15 |
| ogra | a pretty standard logitech 250 in edgy | 12:15 |
| ogra | it plays sound for about 1min ... | 12:16 |
| ogra | then it just gets quiet | 12:16 |
| crimsun | is there any weird spew in ``dmesg |tail''? | 12:16 |
| ogra | if i use xmms with alsa output it works fine | 12:16 |
| ogra | nope, nothing in any logs | 12:16 |
| ogra | if i use ekiga or totem it doesnt ... | 12:17 |
| ogra | looks very much like gstreamer-alsa ... | 12:17 |
| crimsun | yes | 12:17 |
| crimsun | that was going to be my suggestion | 12:17 |
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| crimsun | unfortunately I have not looked a gst-alsa | 12:17 |
| crimsun | a->at | 12:17 |
| ogra | oki | 12:17 |
| crimsun | if you can get debug spew from gst, that would rock | 12:18 |
| crimsun | please report a bug against it, sub me, and I'll take a look | 12:18 |
| ogra | is there any option i can set or something ? | 12:18 |
| ogra | (to get debug output) | 12:18 |
| crimsun | there's an environment variable iirc | 12:19 |
| crimsun | otherwise, http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/manual/html/section-checklist-debug.html | 12:19 |
| crimsun | level 3 should suffice | 12:19 |
| crimsun | seb would know | 12:19 |
| ogra | yay, thanks | 12:20 |
| crimsun | np | 12:27 |
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| Amaranth | ogra: i've got the init stuff figured out, i think | 01:37 |
| Amaranth | ogra: fixing up debian/init.d.ex renaming it to debian/init.d will do the right thing, won't it? | 01:38 |
| LaserJock | good morning jsgotangco | 01:38 |
| ogra | Amaranth, i susally use dh_installinit, no idea how cdbs handles that | 01:40 |
| ogra | *usually | 01:40 |
| Amaranth | i'll soon see | 01:40 |
| Amaranth | setting up the control file now, then i think i just need to make willowng.files and willowng-config.files | 01:40 |
| ogra | and you should call update-rc.d in the postinst with the runlevels you want to install to | 01:40 |
| Amaranth | i have no idea where to install it to | 01:41 |
| ogra | what, the initscript ? | 01:41 |
| Amaranth | i'm guessing i have to do a postrm thing to run update-rc.d again | 01:41 |
| Amaranth | yeah | 01:42 |
| Amaranth | what runlevel and such, i mean | 01:42 |
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| jsgotangco | good morning | 01:44 |
| ogra | add that to the postinst: update-rc.d willowng start 50 2 3 4 5 . stop 50 0 1 6 . >/dev/null | 01:44 |
| Amaranth | ok | 01:47 |
| ogra | argh, mdz just sent the UVF announcement i thought we'd have the day tomorrow ... gamned | 01:49 |
| ogra | *damned too | 01:50 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 01:50 |
| jsgotangco | 7UTC meeting *shudder* | 01:51 |
| ogra | 7UTC is fine :) | 01:51 |
| jsgotangco | sure that's only 10am here :D | 01:52 |
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| rodarvus | 7UTC is 4UTC here | 02:16 |
| rodarvus | freaking early :) | 02:16 |
| jsgotangco | hah | 02:18 |
| mdz | rodarvus: 7UTC is 4UTC? now that's a weird time zoen | 02:22 |
| mdz | zone | 02:22 |
| rodarvus | mdz: UTC-3 (America/Sao_Paulo) | 02:23 |
| rodarvus | actually, the new meeting times are quite bad for me, but they seem to be very popular with everyone else, so rearranging meeting times its surely not worth the trouble | 02:24 |
| mdz | rodarvus: UTC is UTC no matter where you are :-) | 02:26 |
| mdz | rodarvus: you and BenC get the worst of it on this schedule I think | 02:26 |
| rodarvus | infinity probably is in the same situation as we are too | 02:27 |
| jsgotangco | yep | 02:27 |
| bimberi | How the Marketing Team came up with its meeting time (19UTC) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings (at the bottom) | 02:32 |
| jsgotangco | bimberi: dev teams rotate the meeting times | 02:33 |
| jsgotangco | since its so spread between continents | 02:33 |
| jsgotangco | so do other big teams | 02:33 |
| jsgotangco | the table is not new, it was an LP team initiative =) | 02:34 |
| bimberi | jsgotangco: i'm not saying it is - and it still has value to find the best rotation times | 02:36 |
| jsgotangco | yep | 02:36 |
| bimberi | (although it was the first place i saw it ;-) ) | 02:38 |
| jsgotangco | its a very effective table really | 02:42 |
| jsgotangco | most of the time we don't realize that we live in timezones way way apart | 02:42 |
| Amaranth | ok i suck at making packages | 03:13 |
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| Amaranth | ogra: can you pull from http://dev.realistanew.com/willowng and see what i'm doing wrong? | 03:17 |
| bddebian | Heya | 03:18 |
| Amaranth | hey | 03:18 |
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| bddebian | Hi Amaranth | 03:18 |
| Amaranth | crap my meeting calendar is out of date | 03:19 |
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| mhz | jsgotangco: ping | 07:26 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 07:26 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: hi there. | 07:26 |
| jsgotangco | whats up | 07:26 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: if I say that an ideal relation of an edubuntu env. (considering my reality of server) | 07:26 |
| mhz | is 1:7 | 07:26 |
| mhz | 1 server for 7 clients | 07:27 |
| jsgotangco | err? | 07:27 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 07:27 |
| mhz | hehehe | 07:27 |
| jsgotangco | it really depends on your server | 07:27 |
| mhz | yup | 07:27 |
| jsgotangco | have you seen jim's ltsp sizing? | 07:27 |
| mhz | "if I say.." | 07:27 |
| mhz | Can i call each 1:7 environment a 'node' ? | 07:28 |
| mhz | and a lab can be made of many 'nodes'? | 07:28 |
| mhz | made = set | 07:28 |
| mhz | jsgotangco: nope, I have not yet | 07:28 |
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| mhz | jsgotangco: ? | 07:29 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm | 07:29 |
| jsgotangco | sure | 07:29 |
| jsgotangco | you call each client a node | 07:30 |
| jsgotangco | much like how you call a network connection is | 07:30 |
| mhz | hmm, then if each client is a 'node', then what would you call '7 clients per 1 server' | 07:30 |
| jsgotangco | a solution? | 07:31 |
| jsgotangco | hehehe | 07:31 |
| mhz | I need to be specific because when I have said "Edubuntu is suitable for your lab" | 07:31 |
| mhz | they say, oh, well, my lab is about 40 pc's | 07:32 |
| mhz | then I gotta tell them "depending on your server" and etc | 07:32 |
| mhz | so, i wanna make my life simple from now on | 07:32 |
| mhz | "If you have this server, then you can have excellent performance using no more than 7 to 9 clients" | 07:33 |
| jsgotangco | just say thin clients? | 07:33 |
| mhz | BUT, yes "you can have on lab composed of many 1:7 environements" | 07:33 |
| mhz | but again, I still have no clue what to call this 1:7 env., man | 07:34 |
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| crimsun | 'afternoon/'evening | 09:07 |
| ogra | moin :) | 09:09 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 09:10 |
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| crimsun | ogra: hacky workaround if you need to use usb headset /right now/: invoke gstreamer-properties and change both sink & source to oss | 10:06 |
| crimsun | ogra: (if I think you're using ekiga or whatnot?) | 10:07 |
| ogra | will try | 10:07 |
| crimsun | sorry, it's 4 AM and I'm trying to proof a dissertation | 10:09 |
| ogra | dont worry about my bugs then, i'll find my way around :) | 10:10 |
| crimsun | well, I'm definitely devoted to making sure *buntu rocks for audio, so... | 10:11 |
| ogra | well, its early edgy time :) | 10:11 |
| ogra | bugs are expected :) | 10:11 |
| crimsun | are you using ekiga? | 10:12 |
| ogra | yup | 10:12 |
| ogra | we use it all over the company now | 10:12 |
| crimsun | hmm, there's a bug report against alsa-lib where the user says that edgy's ekiga version crashes for him | 10:12 |
| ogra | works fine here .... | 10:13 |
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| ogra | i had no probs with ekiga itself so far | 10:13 |
| crimsun | ok, try using oss for GSt's sink and source | 10:13 |
| crimsun | it will not play nicely with alsa's dmix, however | 10:13 |
| ogra | hmm | 10:16 |
| ogra | ekiga itself only offers alsa support internally it seems | 10:16 |
| ogra | nope, still dies | 10:17 |
| crimsun | ah, if it only supports ALSA internally then setting GSt won't be of much use | 10:18 |
| Amaranth | ogra: one small bug with my package (both packages own /usr/share/willowng/willowng.glade) :/ | 10:19 |
| Amaranth | i need to get the willowng package to create an empty /usr/share/willowng if it doesn't exist | 10:19 |
| Amaranth | actually, i'll just include an empty training.db | 10:19 |
| crimsun | ogra: ok, then I'll wait for debug output | 10:20 |
| ogra | /usr/share/willowng should work with a .dirs file in the debian dir | 10:20 |
| ogra | /usr/share/willowng/willowng.glade should only be in the gui package, no ? | 10:20 |
| Amaranth | yeah | 10:20 |
| ogra | so dont install it in the backend :) | 10:21 |
| Amaranth | what should i put in willowng.dirs to get it to make a /usr/share/willowng/? | 10:22 |
| ogra | usr/share/willowng/ i think | 10:22 |
| Amaranth | didn't work :/ | 10:24 |
| Amaranth | i'll just include a training.db | 10:24 |
| Amaranth | i plan on eventually including some initial training anyway | 10:25 |
| ogra | just be careful with the content ;) | 10:25 |
| Amaranth | i can't include inappropriate words in the training.db? | 10:26 |
| ogra | sure you can | 10:27 |
| ogra | just dont add something thats not binary :) | 10:27 |
| Amaranth | it doesn't have any images or full webpages or anything | 10:27 |
| Amaranth | just words | 10:27 |
| ogra | yep | 10:27 |
| ogra | brb, reboot | 10:31 |
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| Amaranth | brb, reboot (stupid sound) | 10:45 |
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| Amaranth | hrm, long restart for ogra | 10:50 |
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| Amaranth | ogra: http://dev.realistanew.com/releases/willowng/0.1/deb-src/ | 11:17 |
| ogra | Amaranth, echo 'X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=willowng' >> debian/tmp/usr/share/applications/willowng.desktop | 11:19 |
| ogra | whats that for ? | 11:20 |
| Amaranth | langpack translation stuff | 11:20 |
| ogra | you could add it to the .desktop.in file , no ? | 11:20 |
| Amaranth | it's ubuntu specific | 11:20 |
| ogra | and ? other distros will just ignore it | 11:20 |
| ogra | we have many upstreams that add it for us | 11:20 |
| Amaranth | next release :) | 11:21 |
| ogra | packge looks fine to me ... | 11:21 |
| ogra | lets see if it builds :) | 11:22 |
| Amaranth | heh | 11:22 |
| Amaranth | i built it in pbuilder once | 11:22 |
| Amaranth | and installed it on dapper and ran it | 11:22 |
| ogra | E: failed to find /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz, have you done <pbuilder create> to create your base tarball yet? | 11:24 |
| ogra | ARGH !!! | 11:24 |
| Amaranth | ack | 11:24 |
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| Amaranth_ | oh suspend, why must you tease me? | 11:36 |
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| ogra | well you *have* suspend ... be happy :) | 11:39 |
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| crimsun | it's faster for me to shutdown and boot than to suspend-to-disk and resume | 11:40 |
| ogra | but suspend to ram rules :) | 11:42 |
| ogra | at least on this ibook (if it works) | 11:42 |
| Amaranth | if i hibernate i get a snowy screen on resume (like a TV with no reception) | 11:42 |
| Amaranth | if i suspend-to-ram it appears to do something for about 10 seconds then stops with the machine still on and no way of getting back to anything | 11:43 |
| Amaranth | this all worked when i first installed dapper (-23 kernel) :( | 11:43 |
| Amaranth | it worked on at least the -25 kernel for awhile too, i have no idea what changed | 11:43 |
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| jsgotangco | gahh!! the power went out! | 11:50 |
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| jsgotangco | ogra: it went out for more than an hour ;) | 11:51 |
| jsgotangco | there's a typhoon here | 11:51 |
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| jsgotangco | haha | 11:51 |
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| RichEd | ogra: ping | 12:26 |
| ogra | RichEd, pong | 12:26 |
| RichEd | ogra: what is your suggested install order for my Ubuntu / Edubuntu on top of XP ... | 12:27 |
| RichEd | ogra: and what help resources should i refer to ... (assume i am a newbie user) | 12:28 |
| ogra | doesnt matter, pick as you like | 12:28 |
| ogra | in case you want the classroom server install (to demo ltsp or something) http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted | 12:29 |
| ogra | else just pich the workstation option in the menu | 12:29 |
| ogra | *pick | 12:29 |
| RichEd | tx ... | 12:29 |
| ogra | the only glitch you might have is the partitioning | 12:29 |
| ogra | the rest of the install process will just work :) | 12:30 |
| RichEd | okay tx. | 12:30 |
| ogra | the stuff listed on the gettingstarted page will be adressed in edgy (no more editing of dhcp config files etc) | 12:31 |
| RichEd | i'll read through it all before i start tomorrow ... will ask questions if i have any ... | 12:32 |
| ogra | ok ;) | 12:32 |
| jsgotangco | its much easier to have XP first | 12:33 |
| jsgotangco | imo | 12:33 |
| jsgotangco | besides its already there | 12:33 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, yes, we discussed that yesterday, thats why RichEd said on top of XP i guess ;) | 12:33 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: new notebook, had to pay for XP :) | 12:33 |
| jsgotangco | heh we could buy a notebook here with no OS | 12:34 |
| RichEd | am keeping XP for demo purposes, but want to dig into how to buy h/w without paying for throw-way os | 12:34 |
| ogra | Amaranth, hmm, we'll need a reboot notification for dbus | 12:34 |
| ogra | Introspect error: The name com.ubuntu.WillowNG was not provided by any .service files | 12:34 |
| RichEd | found only 1 dealer in SA who will sell me a DOS notebook ... | 12:34 |
| jsgotangco | wow | 12:35 |
| RichEd | was saying to ogra that 150 euro (his discount in germany) is a weeks wages for a teacher in SA or 1 months room rental for a uni student | 12:35 |
| jsgotangco | the only ones with XP built in here are the big brands but even IBM sells a DOS notebook here | 12:35 |
| jsgotangco | 1 here is 60Pesos and the minimum wage here in the city is only 300Pesos | 12:36 |
| RichEd | Mr G has wrapped up Sotuh Africa ... is it the commercial gateway up into Africa ... so he spreads his influence & wicked stories very deeply | 12:36 |
| RichEd | South Africa | 12:37 |
| jsgotangco | so a typical good laptop model would be around 800 | 12:37 |
| RichEd | Even for educational discount into schools via MS Government Agreement ... Office is Free, Encarta is Free, but must pay for OS "becuase giviing away an OS is a bad example & precedent" | 12:38 |
| jsgotangco | interesting | 12:38 |
| jsgotangco | over here BSA-led raids are pretty common lately | 12:38 |
| RichEd | I have just left HP ... they were talking about providing Ubuntu Notebooks (as in Germany) but due to lack of internal support from HP, they have gone with Linspire | 12:40 |
| ogra | Amaranth, the DAEMON= line in the initscript is wrong (poins to /usr/bin instead of /usr/sbin) | 12:40 |
| ogra | Amaranth, also /usr/sbin/willowng needs to return | 12:41 |
| ogra | else the init script just hangs at Starting WillowNG: | 12:42 |
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| RichEd | highvoltage: hey there :) just sent you a mail | 01:00 |
| ogra | sooo, it seems firefox has a hard dependency on the ubuntu firefox icontheme now ... | 01:09 |
| highvoltage | RichEd: ok | 01:09 |
| ogra | which adds 1.2M of icon crap we dont use to the CD | 01:11 |
| ogra | *sigh* | 01:11 |
| jsgotangco | okayyy | 01:11 |
| rodarvus | can't this dependency be made optional? | 01:12 |
| highvoltage | RichEd: which account? | 01:12 |
| ogra | rodarvus, see -devel | 01:13 |
| ogra | <iwj> OIC. Without that if you launch firefox it will fail to start. | 01:13 |
| ogra | we *could* ship a crippled firefox (which is only needed as dependency for epiphany anyway) | 01:13 |
| ogra | but if users want to use it, they will complain | 01:13 |
| RichEd | @ubuntu.com | 01:15 |
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| cbx33 | i mean so I can logout and switch to another | 05:28 |
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| LaserJock | ogra: is the bashism a problem with the move to that other shell (can't think of the name off the top of my head)? | 08:23 |
| ogra | dash | 08:23 |
| ogra | yes that a problem | 08:24 |
| LaserJock | right | 08:24 |
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| ogra | ltsp-build-client fails currently, that will break the CD | 08:24 |
| LaserJock | I didn't quite understand the dash/bash thing | 08:24 |
| LaserJock | so dash is used by the system, but bash by users? | 08:24 |
| ogra | yep | 08:25 |
| ogra | /bin/sh points to dash now | 08:25 |
| ogra | but users have /bin/bash in /etc/passwd | 08:25 |
| ogra | so as long as you log in you use bash ... and its builtins | 08:25 |
| LaserJock | that's somewhat confusing | 08:26 |
| ogra | but if a system script runs it uses /bin/sh ... which points to dash a ... with no builtins, way smaller footprint and ages faster | 08:26 |
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| EmxBA | hi! | 10:44 |
| LaserJock | hi EmxBA | 10:45 |
| EmxBA | hi LaserJock, anything new here connected to the "Schoolkids + Edubuntu cooperation" project' | 10:45 |
| LaserJock | not that I know, but I mostly lurk so it could have gone by my radar | 10:48 |
| EmxBA | :) ok | 10:48 |
| EmxBA | I am waiting for bluekuja to appear 'cause i need to talk to *her* and the rest of you | 10:49 |
| LaserJock | "her"? I think he's a he | 10:50 |
| EmxBA | *he* sorry | 10:51 |
| EmxBA | is it andrea? or something like that? | 10:51 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 10:51 |
| LaserJock | hard to tell with names | 10:51 |
| EmxBA | np | 10:52 |
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