[12:13] so I fired off an "Edubuntu is totally what you want" email too [12:14] i had a mail from the "institute for german unemployees munich" today ... they use edubuntu everywhere and wanted to know if its leagal to use arial and verdana :) [12:14] I hope you added the disclaimer that you're involved in it :) [12:14] that's a pretty important clarification [12:14] (to LaserJock ) [12:15] crimsun: well, I'm just on the Edubuntu Council, that's not really "involved" ;-) [12:15] haha [12:15] except you have source code going into it [12:15] crimsun, by the way ... [12:15] ogra: hi [12:15] i have weird probs with an usb headset here [12:15] dapper or edgy? [12:15] a pretty standard logitech 250 in edgy [12:16] it plays sound for about 1min ... [12:16] then it just gets quiet [12:16] is there any weird spew in ``dmesg |tail''? [12:16] if i use xmms with alsa output it works fine [12:16] nope, nothing in any logs [12:17] if i use ekiga or totem it doesnt ... [12:17] looks very much like gstreamer-alsa ... [12:17] yes [12:17] that was going to be my suggestion === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [12:17] unfortunately I have not looked a gst-alsa [12:17] a->at [12:17] oki [12:18] if you can get debug spew from gst, that would rock [12:18] please report a bug against it, sub me, and I'll take a look [12:18] is there any option i can set or something ? [12:18] (to get debug output) [12:19] there's an environment variable iirc [12:19] otherwise, http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/manual/html/section-checklist-debug.html [12:19] level 3 should suffice [12:19] seb would know [12:20] yay, thanks [12:27] np === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-242-251.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [01:37] ogra: i've got the init stuff figured out, i think [01:38] ogra: fixing up debian/init.d.ex renaming it to debian/init.d will do the right thing, won't it? [01:38] good morning jsgotangco [01:40] Amaranth, i susally use dh_installinit, no idea how cdbs handles that [01:40] *usually [01:40] i'll soon see [01:40] setting up the control file now, then i think i just need to make willowng.files and willowng-config.files [01:40] and you should call update-rc.d in the postinst with the runlevels you want to install to [01:41] i have no idea where to install it to [01:41] what, the initscript ? [01:41] i'm guessing i have to do a postrm thing to run update-rc.d again [01:42] yeah [01:42] what runlevel and such, i mean === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away [01:44] good morning [01:44] add that to the postinst: update-rc.d willowng start 50 2 3 4 5 . stop 50 0 1 6 . >/dev/null [01:47] ok [01:49] argh, mdz just sent the UVF announcement i thought we'd have the day tomorrow ... gamned [01:50] *damned too [01:50] yeah [01:51] 7UTC meeting *shudder* [01:51] 7UTC is fine :) [01:52] sure that's only 10am here :D === jsgotangco goes for a smoke === ogra kicks his pbuilder ... [02:16] 7UTC is 4UTC here [02:16] freaking early :) [02:18] hah [02:22] rodarvus: 7UTC is 4UTC? now that's a weird time zoen [02:22] zone [02:23] mdz: UTC-3 (America/Sao_Paulo) [02:24] actually, the new meeting times are quite bad for me, but they seem to be very popular with everyone else, so rearranging meeting times its surely not worth the trouble [02:26] rodarvus: UTC is UTC no matter where you are :-) [02:26] rodarvus: you and BenC get the worst of it on this schedule I think [02:27] infinity probably is in the same situation as we are too [02:27] yep [02:32] How the Marketing Team came up with its meeting time (19UTC) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings (at the bottom) [02:33] bimberi: dev teams rotate the meeting times [02:33] since its so spread between continents [02:33] so do other big teams [02:34] the table is not new, it was an LP team initiative =) [02:36] jsgotangco: i'm not saying it is - and it still has value to find the best rotation times [02:36] yep [02:38] (although it was the first place i saw it ;-) ) [02:42] its a very effective table really [02:42] most of the time we don't realize that we live in timezones way way apart [03:13] ok i suck at making packages === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu [03:17] ogra: can you pull from http://dev.realistanew.com/willowng and see what i'm doing wrong? [03:18] Heya [03:18] hey === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu [03:18] Hi Amaranth [03:19] crap my meeting calendar is out of date === bddebian2 [n=bdefrees@71.224.172.103] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian2 is now known as bddebian === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === sankarshan [n=sankarsh@59.92.156.17] has joined #edubuntu === xwind_ [n=nrv@58.69.51.227] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz@pc-84-84-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === lecaros [n=lecaros@174-15-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === TalentedChimp [n=paul@125.240.170.130] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [07:26] jsgotangco: ping [07:26] hi [07:26] jsgotangco: hi there. [07:26] whats up [07:26] jsgotangco: if I say that an ideal relation of an edubuntu env. (considering my reality of server) [07:26] is 1:7 [07:27] 1 server for 7 clients [07:27] err? [07:27] ahhh [07:27] hehehe [07:27] it really depends on your server [07:27] yup [07:27] have you seen jim's ltsp sizing? [07:27] "if I say.." [07:28] Can i call each 1:7 environment a 'node' ? [07:28] and a lab can be made of many 'nodes'? [07:28] made = set [07:28] jsgotangco: nope, I have not yet === mhz just wonders what the correct/most suitable name for a 1:7 is [07:29] jsgotangco: ? [07:29] hmmm [07:29] sure [07:30] you call each client a node [07:30] much like how you call a network connection is [07:30] hmm, then if each client is a 'node', then what would you call '7 clients per 1 server' [07:31] a solution? [07:31] hehehe [07:31] I need to be specific because when I have said "Edubuntu is suitable for your lab" [07:32] they say, oh, well, my lab is about 40 pc's [07:32] then I gotta tell them "depending on your server" and etc [07:32] so, i wanna make my life simple from now on [07:33] "If you have this server, then you can have excellent performance using no more than 7 to 9 clients" [07:33] just say thin clients? [07:33] BUT, yes "you can have on lab composed of many 1:7 environements" [07:34] but again, I still have no clue what to call this 1:7 env., man === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c211-28-181-26.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-234-6.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono@196.1.57.88] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has joined #edubuntu === Nuffing [n=JaneW@196.211.88.182] has joined #edubuntu === Nuffing is now known as JaneW === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd [n=RichardW@dsl-146-151-185.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd greetz [09:07] 'afternoon/'evening [09:09] moin :) [09:10] hey === mhz is now known as mhz_zzZZ === pontifex [n=pontifex@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has left #edubuntu [] === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu === sankar [n=sankarsh@59.92.142.19] has joined #edubuntu === sankar is now known as sankarshan [10:06] ogra: hacky workaround if you need to use usb headset /right now/: invoke gstreamer-properties and change both sink & source to oss [10:07] ogra: (if I think you're using ekiga or whatnot?) [10:07] will try [10:09] sorry, it's 4 AM and I'm trying to proof a dissertation [10:10] dont worry about my bugs then, i'll find my way around :) [10:11] well, I'm definitely devoted to making sure *buntu rocks for audio, so... [10:11] well, its early edgy time :) [10:11] bugs are expected :) [10:12] are you using ekiga? [10:12] yup [10:12] we use it all over the company now [10:12] hmm, there's a bug report against alsa-lib where the user says that edgy's ekiga version crashes for him [10:13] works fine here .... === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [10:13] i had no probs with ekiga itself so far [10:13] ok, try using oss for GSt's sink and source [10:13] it will not play nicely with alsa's dmix, however [10:16] hmm [10:16] ekiga itself only offers alsa support internally it seems [10:17] nope, still dies [10:18] ah, if it only supports ALSA internally then setting GSt won't be of much use [10:19] ogra: one small bug with my package (both packages own /usr/share/willowng/willowng.glade) :/ [10:19] i need to get the willowng package to create an empty /usr/share/willowng if it doesn't exist [10:19] actually, i'll just include an empty training.db [10:20] ogra: ok, then I'll wait for debug output [10:20] /usr/share/willowng should work with a .dirs file in the debian dir [10:20] /usr/share/willowng/willowng.glade should only be in the gui package, no ? [10:20] yeah [10:21] so dont install it in the backend :) [10:22] what should i put in willowng.dirs to get it to make a /usr/share/willowng/? [10:22] usr/share/willowng/ i think [10:24] didn't work :/ [10:24] i'll just include a training.db [10:25] i plan on eventually including some initial training anyway [10:25] just be careful with the content ;) [10:26] i can't include inappropriate words in the training.db? [10:27] sure you can [10:27] just dont add something thats not binary :) [10:27] it doesn't have any images or full webpages or anything [10:27] just words [10:27] yep [10:31] brb, reboot === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:45] brb, reboot (stupid sound) === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.211.88.182] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [10:50] hrm, long restart for ogra === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=jono@196.1.57.88] has joined #edubuntu === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [11:17] ogra: http://dev.realistanew.com/releases/willowng/0.1/deb-src/ [11:19] Amaranth, echo 'X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=willowng' >> debian/tmp/usr/share/applications/willowng.desktop [11:20] whats that for ? [11:20] langpack translation stuff [11:20] you could add it to the .desktop.in file , no ? [11:20] it's ubuntu specific [11:20] and ? other distros will just ignore it [11:20] we have many upstreams that add it for us [11:21] next release :) [11:21] packge looks fine to me ... [11:22] lets see if it builds :) [11:22] heh [11:22] i built it in pbuilder once [11:22] and installed it on dapper and ran it [11:24] E: failed to find /var/cache/pbuilder/base.tgz, have you done to create your base tarball yet? [11:24] ARGH !!! [11:24] ack === Amaranth_ [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [11:36] oh suspend, why must you tease me? === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [11:39] well you *have* suspend ... be happy :) === ogra can only shut down or reboot over here [11:40] it's faster for me to shutdown and boot than to suspend-to-disk and resume [11:42] but suspend to ram rules :) [11:42] at least on this ibook (if it works) [11:42] if i hibernate i get a snowy screen on resume (like a TV with no reception) [11:43] if i suspend-to-ram it appears to do something for about 10 seconds then stops with the machine still on and no way of getting back to anything [11:43] this all worked when i first installed dapper (-23 kernel) :( [11:43] it worked on at least the -25 kernel for awhile too, i have no idea what changed === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [11:50] gahh!! the power went out! === ogra hands jsgotangco a small UPS [11:51] ogra: it went out for more than an hour ;) [11:51] there's a typhoon here === ogra hands jsgotangco a very big UPS [11:51] haha === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@213-156-52-99.fastres.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [12:26] ogra: ping [12:26] RichEd, pong [12:27] ogra: what is your suggested install order for my Ubuntu / Edubuntu on top of XP ... [12:28] ogra: and what help resources should i refer to ... (assume i am a newbie user) [12:28] doesnt matter, pick as you like [12:29] in case you want the classroom server install (to demo ltsp or something) http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted [12:29] else just pich the workstation option in the menu [12:29] *pick [12:29] tx ... [12:29] the only glitch you might have is the partitioning [12:30] the rest of the install process will just work :) [12:30] okay tx. [12:31] the stuff listed on the gettingstarted page will be adressed in edgy (no more editing of dhcp config files etc) [12:32] i'll read through it all before i start tomorrow ... will ask questions if i have any ... [12:32] ok ;) [12:33] its much easier to have XP first [12:33] imo [12:33] besides its already there [12:33] jsgotangco, yes, we discussed that yesterday, thats why RichEd said on top of XP i guess ;) [12:33] jsgotangco: new notebook, had to pay for XP :) [12:34] heh we could buy a notebook here with no OS [12:34] am keeping XP for demo purposes, but want to dig into how to buy h/w without paying for throw-way os [12:34] Amaranth, hmm, we'll need a reboot notification for dbus [12:34] Introspect error: The name com.ubuntu.WillowNG was not provided by any .service files [12:34] found only 1 dealer in SA who will sell me a DOS notebook ... [12:35] wow [12:35] was saying to ogra that 150 euro (his discount in germany) is a weeks wages for a teacher in SA or 1 months room rental for a uni student [12:35] the only ones with XP built in here are the big brands but even IBM sells a DOS notebook here [12:36] 1 here is 60Pesos and the minimum wage here in the city is only 300Pesos [12:36] Mr G has wrapped up Sotuh Africa ... is it the commercial gateway up into Africa ... so he spreads his influence & wicked stories very deeply [12:37] South Africa [12:37] so a typical good laptop model would be around 800 [12:38] Even for educational discount into schools via MS Government Agreement ... Office is Free, Encarta is Free, but must pay for OS "becuase giviing away an OS is a bad example & precedent" [12:38] interesting [12:38] over here BSA-led raids are pretty common lately [12:40] I have just left HP ... they were talking about providing Ubuntu Notebooks (as in Germany) but due to lack of internal support from HP, they have gone with Linspire [12:40] Amaranth, the DAEMON= line in the initscript is wrong (poins to /usr/bin instead of /usr/sbin) [12:41] Amaranth, also /usr/sbin/willowng needs to return [12:42] else the init script just hangs at Starting WillowNG: === highvoltage [n=jono@196.1.57.88] has joined #edubuntu === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [01:00] highvoltage: hey there :) just sent you a mail [01:09] sooo, it seems firefox has a hard dependency on the ubuntu firefox icontheme now ... [01:09] RichEd: ok [01:11] which adds 1.2M of icon crap we dont use to the CD [01:11] *sigh* [01:11] okayyy [01:12] can't this dependency be made optional? [01:12] RichEd: which account? [01:13] rodarvus, see -devel [01:13] OIC. Without that if you launch firefox it will fail to start. [01:13] we *could* ship a crippled firefox (which is only needed as dependency for epiphany anyway) [01:13] but if users want to use it, they will complain [01:15] @ubuntu.com === mode/#edubuntu [+o highvoltage] by ChanServ === mode/#edubuntu [-o highvoltage] by highvoltage === guim [n=glederer@104.241-200-80.adsl-fix.skynet.be] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-236-69.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd_ [n=RichardW@dsl-146-177-133.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === pygi_ [n=pygi@83-131-227-158.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === xwind [n=nrv@58.69.51.227] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === driscoll [n=driscoll@c-66-31-208-116.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === neurogeek [n=neurogee@201.248.239.219] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@213-156-52-99.fastres.net] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEFE9A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === driscoll [n=driscoll@c-66-31-208-116.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [05:28] hey guys how easy is it to run gnome and fluxbox side by side? [05:28] i mean so I can logout and switch to another === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd [n=RichardW@dsl-146-177-133.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #edubuntu ["] === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === forrestf [n=forrestf@168.99.7.85] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-238-129.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #edubuntu === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === Hannes_ [i=hannes@dna252-174.satp.customers.dnainternet.fi] has joined #edubuntu === Hannes__ is now known as Hannes_ [08:23] ogra: is the bashism a problem with the move to that other shell (can't think of the name off the top of my head)? [08:23] dash [08:24] yes that a problem [08:24] right === Kozuch [n=jan@159.108.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #edubuntu [08:24] ltsp-build-client fails currently, that will break the CD [08:24] I didn't quite understand the dash/bash thing [08:24] so dash is used by the system, but bash by users? [08:25] yep [08:25] /bin/sh points to dash now [08:25] but users have /bin/bash in /etc/passwd [08:25] so as long as you log in you use bash ... and its builtins [08:26] that's somewhat confusing [08:26] but if a system script runs it uses /bin/sh ... which points to dash a ... with no builtins, way smaller footprint and ages faster === jeang [n=jeang@dsl-145-56-229.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEFE9A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === jeang [n=jeang@dsl-145-56-229.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #edubuntu [] === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEFE9A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === glendale [n=glendale@toronto-HSE-ppp4313334.sympatico.ca] has joined #edubuntu === glendale [n=glendale@toronto-HSE-ppp4313334.sympatico.ca] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === EmxBA [n=EmxBA@SE400.PPPoE-1622.sa.bih.net.ba] has joined #edubuntu [10:44] hi! 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