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[05:23] seems to be [05:24] can you add 'ssh chinstrap run-pending-merge' to a cron job on your desktop ? [05:25] I've submitted an RT request about the problem but haven't received the auto-reply yet [05:26] I did an update of the page this morning, and am doing another now === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.1.197.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [06:58] Launchpad will be going down in 15 minutes for its regular code update. Estimated down time is 10 minutes. === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad [07:28] hi there [07:28] I need to request the sync of the clucene-core package from Debian to Ubuntu [07:28] but this package is not in Ubuntu yet [07:28] is it possible to add the package to Ubuntu so I can request sync? === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #launchpad [07:34] No idea - this is the Launchpad channel. Sounds like you need to talk to an Ubuntu developer. [07:39] raphink: how do you normally request a sync - a bug on the package ? [07:39] yes lifeless [07:39] well now I've requested a bug on ubuntu in general [07:39] so it should work [07:40] hopefully [07:40] raphink: can you please file a wishlist bug, OR, a specification, on the product 'malone' describing your use case ('request a sync of a package not in ubuntu') so that we can get someone to make it easier in the future ? [07:40] I don't have time for that right now [07:41] but I'll try to do that today === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/butnotamember/ajmitch] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@203-173-177-223.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #launchpad [07:49] yay, Internet [08:05] morning === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c211-28-181-26.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #launchpad [08:34] ajmitch: wtf, how did you get a cloak like that? :-D === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad [08:43] jenda: ties in the right places :) [08:44] hehe ;) === rpedro_ [n=rpedro@87-196-66-118.net.novis.pt] has joined #launchpad [08:49] morning [08:49] jamesh: I've almost finished work on that specs branch. Will you be able to review it a bit later today? [08:49] I think it's about 400 lines of dif, inc tests [08:50] SteveA: okay. [08:50] SteveA: my cron jobs aren't running on chinstrap at the moment, so if you need pending-reviews updated ping me [08:51] ok [08:51] I guess it has something to do with the login problems from yesterday [08:52] Can I access stuff put in launchpad/bzr through http/https? [08:53] jenda: details for accessing your branch should be on the your branch's page on Launchpad [08:54] jenda: branches are published with URLs like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~userid/product/branchname [08:54] Yes, I have that URL [08:54] but when I open it in my browser, it shows empty [08:54] https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-marketing/+branch/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu [08:55] jenda: the URL is intended for use with bzr, which stores all the data in a ".bzr" dir [08:55] So will only bazaar be able to check that out... [08:55] OK [08:55] see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu/.bzr/ [08:55] Ah ;) [08:56] Thanks. Now, BTW, is anyone able to checkout that branch, or only the people of ubuntu-marketing? [08:56] anyone can grab the branch by HTTP [08:56] Anyone - this is for open source development. [08:56] only people in the ubuntu-marketing team can get it via SFTP === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #launchpad [08:57] and you can only make commits by sftp [08:57] yes, OK [08:57] how does 'grabbing by http' work? [08:57] bzr checkout http...? [08:58] "bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/..." [08:58] ah [08:58] OK, thanks [08:58] I don't think checkout will work (it doesn't work with readonly repos) [08:58] OK [08:58] it might work with a future version of bzr though ... [08:58] OK [08:58] Thanks [09:00] get and checkout doing different things is confusing, as other systems consider them aliases :-/ [09:00] Yeah, "get" is an alias of "branch" for bzr. [09:01] Mmm... I'd call that a wart. I can understand how it happened though. [09:03] well, svn doesn't have get, iirc [09:03] I always find get vs pull confusing when I want a new tree in my filesystem [09:03] if I just want to track someone's branch, the sequence of commands goes: [09:03] - first get (or branch) [09:03] - next, don't change anything [09:03] - next, pull to get changes [09:04] the other annoying thing is pull vs. update [09:04] - thereafter, pull to get changes [09:04] if you created your local branch with get/branch you need to pull [09:04] if you created it with checkout you need update === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad [09:05] jamesh: what happens if you get them the wrong way around? [09:05] SteveA: "update" means make the working tree match the head of the branch [09:05] jenda: iirc, "jenda" is mandarin for "really?!" [09:06] isn't that what "pull" means? [09:06] SteveA: a local branch created with "bzr get" will always be up to date though (unless you push to it via sftp from some other box) so is generally a no-op [09:06] pull means "grab any changes from the parent branch" [09:07] for a checkout, that would be the parent of the remote branch [09:10] SteveA: iirc, it's my name... but I might be wrong... [09:11] really? [09:11] Yes, really ;) And it has nothing to do with mandarin, either. I'm Czech, and the name is Jan == Jenda === carlos [n=carlos@35.Red-88-15-199.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [09:14] morning [09:18] stub: hi, did you have time to check the fix to the posubmission migration script ? [09:24] carlos: Not yet [09:24] ok [09:33] lifeless: rocketfuel-built is several revisions out of date. Commits are landing in the branches on balleny and chinstrap though. [09:33] SteveA: have you had a chance to look at my move-bzrsync branch? [09:34] jamesh: no [09:34] okay === SteveA looks [09:36] randomownerid = 1 <--- should be "arbitraryownerid" === jd_ is now known as jd_away [09:37] either that, or use: random.choice([1] ) [09:38] I'll change it to arbitraryownerid [09:39] one other comment: [09:39] def parent_ids(self): [09:40] this method gives you ids in response to querying on a revision id [09:40] in between, it loads objects for all the parent revisions [09:40] and then iterates over them to get their ids [09:40] I wonder if there's a way to do it that doesn't involve actually making revision objects for all the parents, and isn't icky in the code [09:41] other than all that, looks great. r=me [09:41] I don't think there is an obvious way to do it with sqlobject [09:42] a revisionparent object is not particularly heavyweight though [09:42] 4 fields [09:43] and most revisions in bzr only have 1 or 2 parents [09:43] (most have 1) [09:43] ok === mdz_ [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #launchpad [09:43] thanks === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #launchpad [09:46] does close() imply flush() for a stream? [09:49] it should. [10:12] stub: its updated by cron [10:12] stub: there is something wrong with cron. jamesh has filed an RT request. [10:13] I don't know if the RT request got through though. I haven't gotten the auto-reply giving the number [10:13] elmo: Znarl: ^^ is mail having trouble too? [10:17] cron is already fixed, and I've just fixed RT mail, thanks [10:19] thank you === malcc [n=malcolm@host86-134-233-12.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #launchpad === mpt_ [n=mpt@203-173-177-223.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #launchpad [10:30] elmo: thanks for fixing the cron problem === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-103-221.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad [10:52] jamesh: I /msg-ed you details of the branch to review [10:52] SteveA: yeah. I'll look at it in a sec (just fixing a test failure in my branch) === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #launchpad [10:55] jamesh: thanks. With freenode, I'm never sure whether priv messages get through [10:55] for that reason, I always respond with an "ok" or something, to show I received the message [10:57] SteveA: yeah. I turned off the privmsg filtering because of that (never really suffered from privmsg spam) [11:00] jamesh: oh, are we able to disable it? [11:00] malcc: hi [11:00] carlos: yep. You can send some command to NickServ to do it [11:01] malcc: just noticed on your activity report that you've been having trouble landing the trivial change to __all__. [11:01] malcc: is that the same pqm issues kiko has been having? [11:02] SteveA: I got an error from sourcecode/bzr/bzrlib/tests/workingtree_implementations/test_workingtree.py, AssertionError: 'a test\n' == 'a test\n' [11:02] ew [11:02] SteveA: I wasn't following closely enough the exact details of kiko's issue to know if that's the same [11:02] mpool / lifeless: do you know about this particular issue? [11:03] malcc: did you mail the launchpad list about it? [11:03] I'll disable the bzr and cscvs tests on launchpad merge right now - kiko has landed the relevant makefile changes. [11:04] cool === mpt__ [n=mpt@203-173-177-223.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #launchpad [11:04] malcc: when you get unrelated pqm failures, always email the launchpad list [11:04] SteveA: Ok [11:04] malcc: otherwise, I and others don't know that it's a general problem [11:05] mpool: I'm available for a call, if you still want one [11:12] looks like spiv did a merge to our copy of bzr today to fix the hashcache failures [11:13] that would have been after malcc's failure though [11:17] carlos: does danilo know about the meeting today? [11:17] SteveA: yes [11:17] he told me that he would start early today... not sure if he had any problem... === danilos [n=danilo@82.117.204.45] has joined #launchpad [11:20] launchpad commits should no longer run cscvs and bzr tests. Ping me if you get a pqm bounce - the new config is yet to be tested. [11:21] James' should be the first branch to use it === danilos [n=danilo@82.117.204.45] has joined #launchpad [11:29] danilos: good morning [11:29] carlos: yeah, g'day actually :) [11:37] danilos: did you push your branch? [11:38] carlos: yeah, I think I did [11:38] danilos: the Pending reviews page shows it as already merged... [11:38] unless I messed something up [11:38] you have not pushed it after doing your commits most probably. [11:38] danilos: https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/pending-reviews/ [11:38] I assumed it was merged, but is it in fact not ? [11:39] lifeless: he copied another branch that I guess is already merged to initialize that new branch [11:39] danilos: the head revision of that branch on chinstrap is a pqm commit [11:39] jamesh: you're already loosing me :) I am all too new to bzr stuff and our pqm procedure :) [11:39] s/loosing/losing/ [11:40] danilos: okay. The copy of the branch on chinstrap.ubuntu.com does not contain any commits by you (only commits from the mainline) [11:40] danilos: it's just that latest commit on your branch is already merged into our development tree [11:40] ah, ok, got it === mpt [n=mpt@203-173-177-223.bliink.ihug.co.nz] has joined #launchpad [11:41] danilos: check that you don't have any pending change to commit (bzr status) [11:41] ok, will do that [11:41] danilos: and that bzr push says that you need to push 0 revisions [11:42] in which case, I think you are in the wrong directory ;-) [11:42] or that you lose your fix [11:42] ok :) [11:47] carlos: btw, "/msg NickServ set unfiltered on" should allow unregistered users to /msg you again [11:48] jamesh: yeah, I saw it, but thanks ;-) === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #launchpad === jd_away is now known as jd_ === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #launchpad === jinty [n=jinty@213-156-52-99.fastres.net] has joined #launchpad [12:10] lifeless, SteveA, kiko-afk: Shouldn't you start approving/rejecting specs for the London sprint? === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #launchpad [01:12] I'm trying to get a branch from launchpad, i get this message from bzr checkout - bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: /home/matt/sftp:/bazaar.launchpad.net/~etc, any ideas? [01:13] do you have paramiko installed? [01:14] mdke: I think you miss one '/' after sftp:/ [01:14] yeah [01:17] haha, thanks carlos [01:17] oh no [01:17] the command is alright [01:17] bzr checkout sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-marketing/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu [01:17] just the error message is missing a slash >_< [01:18] works with http:// [01:19] mdke: you need paramiko installed (python2.4-paramiko) [01:19] hmm I don't know then... [01:19] mdke: the confusing error message is a bug in that version of bzr [01:20] spiv: trying, thanks [01:22] aha, another error === mdke pastebins [01:23] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17920 [01:24] mdke: It failed to authenticate === spiv investigates [01:25] do I need to be in a particular team to get a branch like that? [01:25] Yes, but that's not the cause of that error. [01:25] Ah, I bet I know. [01:25] Give me a sec to check the logs [01:26] well, I'm not in ubuntu-marketing [01:26] mdke: You're trying to log in as the user 'matt', I think, but your launchpad name is 'mdke'. [01:27] ah, k [01:27] Either use "sftp://mdke@bazaar.launchpad.net/..." as your URL, or adjust your .ssh/config [01:27] (adding "Host bazaar.launchpad.net\n User mdke" would do it.) [01:28] right, another error [01:28] It'd be good if bzr reported the user name it's trying in the error. === spiv files a bug about that. [01:28] agreed [01:28] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17921 [01:29] spiv: if using openssh, it won't know the username being tried [01:29] bradb, BjornT: [01:29] You should not import build_comments_from_chunks from canonical.launchpad.browser.bugcomment: [01:29] canonical.launchpad.browser.bugtask [01:29] jamesh: That's true I guess. Still a shame, and worth filing a bug about, even if it can't be fixed easily atm. [01:29] spiv: if no username is in the URL, it doesn't pass one to openssh, leaving it to pick the username [01:29] spiv: it could be fixed, but it'd be in openssh [01:29] jamesh: Exactly. [01:30] SteveA: it was kiko that added that function [01:30] SteveA: that would be kiko [01:30] jamesh: But it's enough of a usability issue to be worth a bug report anyway :) [01:30] so is the new error due to me not being in the right team? [01:30] BjornT, bradb: so, kiko caused the problem. However, it is a problem in malone code. [01:30] mdke: Right, you cannot access that branch over sftp, because you're not in that team. [01:30] who will fix it? [01:31] mdke: If you login with the openssh sftp client and look around interactively, you'll see you can only access directories for yourself and the teams you're a member of. [01:31] spiv: that error message could be a bit more userfriendly too :) === matsubara [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [01:31] strange tho that I can't grab a branch without being in that team [01:31] SteveA: i can fix it. [01:31] mdke: you can grab it via http [01:31] thanks BjornT [01:32] mdke: Yeah, I think I'd expect something like "directory not found: ...", rather than the rather vague "not a branch" message. [01:32] mdke: "not a branch" makes it sound like there's something there that's not a branch, rather than there's nothing there at all. [01:33] jamesh: I had some errors from that too :) [01:34] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17922 [01:34] I ought to get a more recent version maybe === erdalronahi [n=erdal@p5087749E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad [01:35] mdke: ah. you can't use "bzr checkout" on readonly branches (as the error says) [01:35] mdke: you can do "bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/..." though [01:36] mdke: there has been talk about supporting read-only bound branches (which would allow "bzr checkout" over http), but it isn't in 0.8 [01:36] ah, ok [01:37] that's worked, thanks jamesh === frodon_ido [n=patrick@ip-213-49-212-229.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #launchpad === erdalronahi [n=erdal@p5087749E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad [01:41] if in doubt, the product homepage has the http branch and should work === danilo_ [n=danilo@82.117.204.14] has joined #launchpad === salgado [n=salgado@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === Kinnison takes a rest break before the meetng [02:01] me === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [02:01] kiko: pardon? [02:01] kiko needs to tweak his "pretend you're at the meeting" macros too [02:02] kiko: the meeting didn't start yet ;-) === Kinnison snerks [02:02] then we're late. [02:02] yeah [02:02] who is meant to be running the meeting today? kiko or stevea? [02:02] SteveA AFAIK [02:02] but perhaps we should start without him [02:02] maybe he got caught by a workrave [02:02] wait for someone to say "meeting" and then send a "me" message a random interval later [02:02] I think Steve is dealing with some changes in the meeting agenda [02:02] me [02:03] meeee [02:03] hey [02:03] me [02:03] welcome to the launchpad meeting [02:03] who's here [02:03] ? [02:03] me [02:03] me [02:03] me [02:03] me [02:03] me [02:03] me [02:03] me [02:03] me [02:03] me [02:03] me [02:03] me [02:03] me [02:03] me [02:03] me [02:03] me [02:03] me [02:04] me [02:04] == Agenda == [02:04] * Next meeting [02:04] * Activity reports [02:04] * Actions from last meeting [02:04] * Oops report (Matsubara) [02:04] * Bug report report (mpt) [02:04] * Sysadmin requests [02:04] * Production and staging (Stuart) [02:04] ---- [02:04] * browser unit tests (ddaa/salgado) [02:04] * (other items) [02:04] ---- [02:04] * Keep, Bag, Change [02:04] * Three sentences [02:04] [02:04] um [02:04] the roll call is missing from the agenda [02:04] how did that happen? [02:05] mpt: any ideas? [02:05] magic [02:05] oh, it was moved above the heading [02:05] weird === SteveA adds a note for people to ask before fucking with the format of that page [02:06] [02:06] == Agenda == [02:06] * Roll call [02:06] * Agenda [02:06] * Next meeting [02:06] * Activity reports [02:06] * Actions from last meeting [02:06] * Oops report (Matsubara) [02:06] * Bug report report (mpt) [02:06] * Sysadmin requests [02:06] * Production and staging (Stuart) [02:06] ---- [02:06] * browser unit tests (ddaa/salgado) [02:06] * (other items) [02:06] ---- [02:06] * Keep, Bag, Change [02:06] * Three sentences [02:06] [02:06] that's better [02:06] SteveA, I did that because you always cover those two before reading the agenda anyway [02:06] next meeting... [02:06] kiko and I will be at management meetings [02:06] next thursday [02:07] kiko: what do you think... do you think we'll be able to have a meeting? [02:07] yes, I think so. === danilos is lurking to see what's what from the agenda :) [02:08] cool [02:08] so, same time next week === ..[topic/#launchpad:SteveA] : https://launchpad.net/ | developer meeting: Thu 20 July, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 [02:08] * Activity reports [02:08] up to date [02:08] I sent some this week. [02:08] up to date [02:08] up to date [02:08] up to date [02:08] up to date [02:09] not up to date === malcc -> Guilty of summarizing === flacoste is up to date [02:09] (even if I was late with a couple) [02:09] I am not up to date. [02:09] up to date [02:09] I lost track. not up to date [02:09] Started again this week [02:09] I am up to date, but have a report to send off for yesterday [02:09] up to date [02:09] I will try to send previous reports and keep sending the new ones [02:09] I'm up to date for this last week, but haven't filled in the missing weeks before that. [02:11] * Actions from last meeting [02:11] there were none [02:11] * Oops report (Matsubara) [02:11] Today's oops report is about bugs 44860, 40494, OOPS-186D559, OOPS-186D560 and staging timeout limit. [02:11] Malone bug 44860 in rosetta "Crash when we try to pass a query string to a POFile that doesn't exist yet." [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/44860 [02:11] Malone bug 40494 in launchpad "Launchpad crashes badly if the client says it doesn't accept 'utf-8'" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/40494 [02:11] https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/186D559 [02:11] https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/186D560 [02:11] Carlos, how's 44860 going? [02:11] BjornT, could you prioritize bug 40494? It was triggered quite a few times this week. [02:11] Malone bug 40494 in launchpad "Launchpad crashes badly if the client says it doesn't accept 'utf-8'" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/40494 [02:11] matsubara: not started yet [02:12] matsubara: sure, i'll fix it either today or tomorrow. [02:12] carlos: any chance of working on that one this week? [02:12] matsubara, carlos: I have some extra work to do but I plan on working on the rosetta views again soon. [02:12] thanks BjornT [02:12] On oops report (2006-07-05) I wrote about an possible bug on the oops infrastructure. The two oopses were recorded because one AssertionError (OOPS-186D559) was triggered on the xmlrpc server. Could someone comment on that? [02:12] https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/186D559 [02:12] kiko: feel free to give me the branch and I will take a look and try to finish it, if you want [02:13] matsubara: well, kiko's patch already fixes that one.... [02:13] matsubara: not sure if we should fix it twice [02:13] at least I think I saw a way to fix it with the diff that kiko show me a couple of weeks ago [02:14] carlos, I don't quite see how my patch solved that! [02:14] well, kiko's going for the mgmt meeting next week [02:14] matsubara: that's an interesting xmlrpc OOPS report === erdalronahi [n=erdal@p5087749E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad [02:14] kiko: the way the views work [02:14] carlos: if you could take that one and land it would be great [02:15] matsubara: ok, I will try to work on it either on Friday or Monday [02:15] matsubara, it's not even close to ready to be landed. [02:15] (I need to finish Edgy translations opening) [02:15] I can work on it over the trip. [02:15] SteveA: indeed, I wrote about it on the daily oops report, but no answer so far. That's why I'm bring the subject here. [02:15] matsubara: so, the code in question does this: [02:15] return canonical_url(branch) [02:16] that would appear to be the problem [02:16] thanks carlos [02:16] but I'm confused as to why that doesn't work [02:17] matsubara: let's talk about this after the meeting [02:17] SteveA: ok [02:17] last topic: Why staging has a so low time out limit? [02:17] so that we bump into timeouts there, rather than in production [02:17] sometimes it's impossible to test things there because of this low time out limit === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@200.181.171.213] has joined #launchpad [02:18] to catch slow pages there before they become a problem on production [02:18] SteveA: that timeout limit makes staging useless for Rosetta testing [02:18] matsubara: To provoke trouble. I can increase it if you want - suggest a value. [02:18] SteveA: the translation form timeouts always [02:18] SteveA, carlos that's exactly my point [02:18] Perhaps staging should only have a lower soft timeout? [02:19] matsubara: when I do debugging tasks on Rosetta I increase the timeout, but that's tricky [02:19] (In fact anyone can increase the staging timeouts - just change staging/launchpad.conf and wait until the next update) [02:21] I like spiv's suggestion [02:21] me too [02:21] could that cause any trouble? [02:21] about oops reports for xmlrpc... what do you think about using xmlrpclib.loads() on the POSTed value and adding that to oops reports? [02:21] pprinting it too [02:21] matsubara: I'm happy for you to tweak the values. You are probably the most qualified now to make the educated guesses required. [02:22] I suspect the issue with https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/2006-07-05/D559 is the fault instance being returned. It may be security proxied, or something. [02:22] BjornT: I recall you said something about this a while back. Any ideas? [02:22] stub: ok. the most annonying pages are the rosetta ones. I'll talk to carlos and find out a good value. [02:22] SteveA: I think having unparsed data would be useful forr the OOPS reports -- e.g. we won't be able to parse an invalid XML-RPC request but might want to diagnose it [02:23] (stub, did you finish the PQM config change, btw?) [02:23] (kiko: yes) [02:23] jamesh: well, that depends. I mean, if the data can be parsed, I'd rather have the python pprinted data. [02:23] thanks! [02:23] matsubara: I can change it directly on asuka so we can try to find a good value without wait until next code update [02:23] SteveA: yeah, there's a bug open on it. it has partly been fixed upstream, and i'll try to fix it in launchpad soon. [02:23]