[12:55] <jenda> Any pointers towards the ubuntu logo?
[12:59] <lapo> uhm?
[01:00] <lapo> jenda: do you need ubuntu logo svgs?
[01:01] <jenda> I just managed with a png
[01:01] <jenda> but an svg would be great
[01:02] <lapo> jenda: there's the svgs on the ubuntu site
[01:03] <lapo> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy
[01:04] <jenda> ah, thanks, lapo
[01:05] <lapo> np
[11:04] <lapo> hi
[04:51] <newz2000> I need some graphic design help...
[04:51] <newz2000> I sent a msg to the maliing list, but here's the URL:
[04:51] <newz2000> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-July/002470.html
[05:09] <kwwii> I'll take a look, one second
[05:12] <kwwii> newz2000: so your idea was to either use the merge sign *or* the branches on top of the blue stipe, etc.?
[05:12] <newz2000> Yeah, I'm going to use the blue strip
[05:13] <kwwii> so only one of the graphics will be used
[05:13] <newz2000> Yes
[05:13] <kwwii> when I look at the merge sign, I see a chinese man taking a piss
[05:13] <kwwii> correction: a well hung chinese man
[05:13] <kwwii> :p
[05:13] <kwwii> sorry
[05:13] <newz2000> :-D
[05:14] <newz2000> That's ok, I'm still laughing about the glasgow handshake
[05:14] <newz2000> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/07/13/zidane_headbutt_outrage/
[05:15] <kwwii> lol
[05:15] <kwwii> nice
[05:17] <kwwii> how did you make the branches?
[05:18] <newz2000> I didn't make them
[05:18] <newz2000> I think they were traced
[05:18] <kwwii> hrm, I cannot edit them in inkscape
[05:18] <newz2000> Really?
[05:18] <kwwii> yepp
[05:19] <newz2000> you're right
[05:19] <newz2000> All I did was try and resize them
[05:19] <kwwii> funky
[05:21] <newz2000> Even the xml isn't very revealing
[05:21] <troy_s> newz
[05:21] <troy_s> you getting any support for help?
[05:22] <troy_s> i also noticed that henrik adjusted some sok specs
[05:22] <troy_s> kwwii move
[05:22] <troy_s> you in my german friend?
[05:22] <kwwii> troy_s: yeah, we've been emailing each other
[05:22] <newz2000> kwwii is looking at the logos... I don't know what henrick's doing
[05:22] <troy_s> great
[05:23] <troy_s> kwwii is a good guy to get if you can get a few minutes of his time.
[05:23] <kwwii> :p
[05:23] <troy_s> there is the stinker now... quick sit on him
[05:23] <kwwii> troy_s: you saw the philosophy I assume?
[05:23] <troy_s> no... got in damn late last night
[05:23] <troy_s> you got a link?
[05:23] <troy_s> ferget it... i'll scroll if it is here.
[05:24] <troy_s> got it.
[05:25] <newz2000> Glasgow handshake?
[05:27] <newz2000> kwwii, even the xml editor doesn't reveal much about that branch
[05:27] <troy_s> kwwii -- you and frank in on the weekly meetings yet?
[05:27] <kwwii> troy_s: hehe, we had one this morning
[05:28] <troy_s> frank there?
[05:28] <troy_s> how did it go?
[05:29] <kwwii> good
[05:29] <kwwii> he went a little too far into detail
[05:29] <kwwii> it wasn't new for me, so it wasn't that amazing :-)
[05:30] <kwwii> newz2000: that branch is funky
[05:30] <newz2000> I agree
[05:32] <troy_s> who is he?
[05:32] <troy_s> and what do you mean too far into detail?
[05:32] <troy_s> kwwii?
[05:32] <kwwii> I meant that frank prepared too well :-)
[05:33] <troy_s> lol
[05:33] <troy_s> he is very good.
[05:33] <kwwii> yeah, no shit
[05:33] <troy_s> i have high hopes once we can get more support team
[05:33] <kwwii> it was very prodcutive I think
[05:33] <troy_s> what did you guys go over?
[05:33] <kwwii> well, you basically give a quick report over what you have done in the last week, and where you are going in the next week
[05:34] <troy_s> great.
[05:34] <troy_s> and did frank have a good selection of what has been done etc?  was sabdfl there or just ben and matt etc?
[05:35] <kwwii> not sure if Mark was in the channel or not, but Matt led it (and normally leads them)
[05:36] <kwwii> quite a few people are there, so it has to go quickly and smoothly
[05:36] <troy_s> good stuff.  sounds like a great step towards integrating into the existing structure!
[05:36] <troy_s> did you have some update details?
[05:37] <kwwii> ?
[05:37] <kwwii> not sure I understand what you mean by "update details"
[05:37] <kwwii> newz2000: I found the branch
[05:38] <newz2000> oh?
[05:38] <kwwii> funky, really funky
[05:38] <newz2000> Did you have to go into the xml?
[05:38] <troy_s> well you had to offer up how kubuntu side was progressing too no?
[05:38] <kwwii> newz2000: I tried that but didn't take time to figure it out, so I opened it in AI :p
[05:38] <newz2000> kwwii: cheater. ;)
[05:39] <troy_s> someone got a sample?
[05:39] <kwwii> troy_s: yepp, I mentioned that we have several people starting to take interest in the artwork side of kubuntu, that we now have more presence on the wikis, and that colors, and textures have been discussed
[05:40] <troy_s> good stuffs.
[05:40] <kwwii> mentioned that basic ideas are coming in for the stuff included in the spec for edgy as well
[05:40] <kwwii> yeah, if only I had known about it in advance
[05:40] <kwwii> :p
[05:41] <troy_s> did frank pass on what he is working on behind the scenes?  i know we talked about sniping the gtk palette into spectrum etc.
[05:41] <kwwii> I looked on the fridge last night and didn't see the notice, somehow
[05:41] <kwwii> yeah, he did
[05:41] <kwwii> he wrote a full report :-) I was amazed
[05:45] <troy_s> is this available anywhere?
[05:45] <troy_s> lol
[05:46] <kwwii> I guess that the mintues are available somewhere
[05:48] <newz2000> crud. My brain just exploded. :-P
[05:49] <newz2000> brb
[05:51] <troy_s> how the feck do you do rss in epiphany?
[05:52] <newz2000> sudo apt-get install firefox
[05:53] <newz2000> :-] 
[05:57] <troy_s> kwwii
[05:57] <troy_s> you have a linky for the minutes?
[05:58] <kwwii> nope
[05:58] <kwwii> no idea where they would be
[05:58] <kwwii> newz2000: I played around with it a bit: http://bootsplash.org/bzr_idea.svg
[05:58] <kwwii> not sure if it is any better though
[05:59] <kwwii> now it looks like a chinese guy with his legs but off
[05:59] <kwwii> s/but/cut
[05:59] <kwwii> anway...time for dinner
[05:59] <newz2000> I wish you'd not told me that thing about the chinese guy. :-)
[05:59] <kwwii> :-)
[05:59] <newz2000> Thanks for the help, enjoy your dinner
[05:59] <newz2000> Yes, by the way, I like you're work. Its much smoother than mine.
[06:00] <kwwii> no problem :-) be back later
[06:00] <kwwii> cool :-)
[06:01] <troy_s> when do you need those newz2000, weekend?
[06:01] <newz2000> Yeah, that'd be good.
[06:01] <newz2000> I'm going to start teh moin 1.5 upgrade today (on a test server)
[06:02] <newz2000> And htmlize the template today/tomorrow.
[06:17] <troy_s> awsome
[08:21] <fschoep> troy_s: ping
[08:21] <troy_s> greets franko
[08:21] <troy_s> get that jabber account activated yet :)
[08:21] <troy_s> ?
[08:21] <troy_s> laf
[08:21] <troy_s> how you been frank?
[08:21] <fschoep> Busy, kind of.
[08:21] <troy_s> good.  you should be.
[08:21] <fschoep> Yeah 24 hours a week.
[08:21] <troy_s> indeed.
[08:21] <fschoep> Currently it's more like 24 hours a day.
[08:22] <troy_s> fair.
[08:22] <troy_s> :)
[08:22] <fschoep> So what are / were you doing??
[08:22] <troy_s> you can always go fulltime i imagine :)
[08:22] <troy_s> what does that mean?
[08:22] <troy_s> am i doing?
[08:22] <troy_s> prepping a show
[08:22] <fschoep> Yeah, like working or just chlling out?
[08:22] <troy_s> working
[08:22] <troy_s> and trying to keep my commitment to ubuntu up
[08:23] <troy_s> which is tough
[08:23] <fschoep> OK, how many minutes have you got to spare?
[08:23] <troy_s> plenty right now
[08:23] <troy_s> i have a meeting at 5pm here... in five hours.
[08:23] <troy_s> plus a walkabout in a couple of hours.
[08:23] <fschoep> Did you have a specific plan in mind for something to do now?
[08:23] <troy_s> might sit in on the marketing meeting
[08:23] <troy_s> not entirely... wouldn't mind getting a status update on your end
[08:23] <troy_s> to see if i can pull in some more resources etc
[08:24] <troy_s> niklas has a great 16 colour glossy sample as you can see.
[08:24] <fschoep> I sent you a short reply on your mail, did you read that one yet?
[08:24] <troy_s> and if you check the contact sheet niel is starting to get the idea of pop (proof of principle) and mock ups down great with the logo
[08:24] <troy_s> even has compositional transparency
[08:24] <troy_s> a few anomalies in the model that perhaps you can help him out with.
[08:25] <troy_s> looks like something to do with extrusion, but i don't know blender too well yet.
[08:25] <fschoep> I understand, should I just get in touch with Neil?
[08:25] <troy_s> i started the sketching
[08:25] <troy_s> yes
[08:25] <troy_s> i started th sketching based on the lsplash
[08:25] <fschoep> Sorry, Niel.
[08:25] <troy_s> because that has the most constraints on it.
[08:25] <fschoep> The usplash you mean?
[08:25] <fschoep> Or the login splash?
[08:26] <troy_s> (i mispell his damn name every time i send him mail :( )
[08:26] <troy_s> lspash
[08:26] <fschoep> I was thinking it was a typo, sorry.
[08:26] <troy_s> mainly because
[08:26] <troy_s> the lsplash has the most constraints, and the basic look is extrapolated across the logon and wallpaper
[08:26] <kwwii> hi frank!
[08:26] <fschoep> Hi Kenneth, how are you doing?
[08:27] <troy_s> i very much like the idea of exceeding the parameters of the pillbox for the logo or something
[08:27] <troy_s> hopefully we can work with it...
[08:27] <fschoep> Yeah, that is kind of neat.
[08:27] <troy_s> further, i was pondering
[08:27] <troy_s> talking to the devs to see if we can get true png translucency in there
[08:27] <fschoep> I'm not sure if it imposes technical difficulties on certain setups.
[08:27] <fschoep> Yeah that idea crossed my mind as well.
[08:27] <troy_s> neither... we need to look into it.
[08:27] <kwwii> fschoep: good, you?
[08:28] <troy_s> the transparency i know doesn't because they already do it on the default pill for dapper
[08:28] <fschoep> Fine, a bit busy perhaps.
[08:28] <troy_s> (with the corners)
[08:28] <fschoep> Yeah, the burnt corners to have it kind of blend in with the wallpaper.
[08:28] <troy_s> fschoep, can you adjust the light size in blender?
[08:28] <kwwii> I wonder how that 16 color logo will look on black
[08:28] <fschoep> "the light size" what do you mean by that? Spotlight radius, intensity, halo size, blending?
[08:29] <troy_s> as in is it possible to create a kino like fixture (basically a long fluorescent tube light)
[08:29] <troy_s> kwwii -- pretty good if it is anti'd against it i imagine.
[08:29] <troy_s> its more of a pop
[08:29] <troy_s> which is important at this point
[08:29] <kwwii> it is very interesting
[08:29] <fschoep> kwwii: possibly not so hot because of antialiasing to black
[08:29] <troy_s> if people go and polish the hell out of crap it is a complete waste of time
[08:29] <troy_s> as a pop, it is terrific
[08:29] <troy_s> proved to me that it can indeed be done
[08:29] <troy_s> and done rather pro
[08:30] <newz2000> Are you guys sure youre allowed 16 colors? Grub bootsplashes are only allowed 14.
[08:30] <kwwii> yeah
[08:30] <troy_s> hopefully who_ will show up at some point... i would like a comp version of that gloss logo he had done
[08:30] <troy_s> yes certain :)
[08:30] <troy_s> they are 16, with black occupying one
[08:30] <kwwii> newz2000: as long as the colors are correct, even grub can use 16
[08:30] <troy_s> plus a bunch of other constraints
[08:30] <troy_s> but it is all changing.
[08:31] <newz2000> ok, just making sure
[08:31] <kwwii> (only two of the colors grub uses has to be in the palette)
[08:31] <fschoep> newz2000: we need to reserve some colors for text but those can be reused
[08:31] <newz2000> with that few colors, loosing 2 could be rough
[08:31] <troy_s> fschoep, speaking of which, you got some formal docs from scott on that blasted usplash?
[08:31] <kwwii> you can use all those colors in the pic as well, but beware that the programs (grub of usplash) print text using those colors on top of the pic
[08:31] <fschoep> Working on that
[08:31] <troy_s> i suppose i could vmware, but it is kind of after the fact when you can tap right into the dev's head.
[08:32] <troy_s> fschoep, awsome.
[08:32] <newz2000> kwwii: Thanks again for that log. I dropped the orange down one shade which makes it look a little nicer with the rest of design
[08:32] <newz2000> I mean logo
[08:32] <troy_s> i suggest that if anyone is available, the marketing team meeting is in 30 mins
[08:32] <troy_s> might be worth liasing.
[08:32] <kwwii> newz2000: cool, sounds nice
[08:32] <fschoep> I've got a boatload of stuff yet to do today, if you don't mind I'd rather get that kind of done.
[08:33] <troy_s> fschoep, regarding blender light - i mean the actual dimensions of the light source
[08:33] <troy_s> because 3d lights are generally quite limited
[08:33] <troy_s> specular where you only control the size of the spot etc.
[08:33] <newz2000> fschoep wants to get work done? Crazy talk.
[08:33] <fschoep> You can change those, but maybe you are confusing "light" with an emitting mesh?
[08:33] <fschoep> newz2000: Sorry :)
[08:33] <troy_s> where the light size actually dictates the degree of diffusion (in conjunction with density)
[08:33] <troy_s> yes
[08:33] <troy_s> emitting mesh would be exactly what
[08:33] <troy_s> i would be talking about i believe.
[08:34] <troy_s> i'll idle in marketing and see if i can keyword anythin
[08:34] <fschoep> OK, too bad you have limited Blender knowledge 'cause it's kind of hard to explain and compare what you mean by just talking into thin air.
[08:34] <troy_s> well i had plenty of 3d studio experience from the earlier regime
[08:35] <fschoep> If you can get a general picture of what you mean, Niel and I can get that done.
[08:35] <kwwii> I understand what he means, but don't know blender either :p
[08:35] <troy_s> and i can speak the language well... but blender implementation is limited.
[08:35] <kwwii> I would know how to do it with c4d though
[08:35] <troy_s> kwwii -- blender is top notch
[08:35] <kwwii> fschoep: an emitting mesh with the right shape would probably do it
[08:35] <troy_s> fschoep, i sent niel a good summary of the tweaks for the pops
[08:35] <kwwii> troy_s: yeah, but the interface is kinda hard to learn
[08:35] <troy_s> kwwii -- laf... seen 3ds or maya?
[08:36] <troy_s> its the nature of the beast... pro level 3d is just complicated to the first glance.
[08:36] <fschoep> Like UNIX, Blender is user-friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are.
[08:36] <troy_s> fschoep, LOL
[08:36] <troy_s> actually i found blender very simple compared to maya or 3ds
[08:36] <troy_s> but still... i don't know the interface nuances yet.
[08:37] <troy_s> and i have been focusing on pops... not production
[08:37] <fschoep> There's something to say about both - I find Blender usable but can't get anything done in 3DS.
[08:37] <fschoep> Anyway, is there something we can do interactively?
[08:37] <troy_s> wasting time on churning out work is silly at this point.
[08:37] <troy_s> well interactive sketching would rock
[08:38] <troy_s> fschoep, i think niel would be a good guy to show the mesh tech to -- he started scripting for the lighting rotations
[08:38] <troy_s> i was hoping for 8 angles (12, 130, 3, 430, 6, etc)
[08:38] <troy_s> from three vantages top/side/bottom, chirocuso, and rim/back
[08:39] <troy_s> then combine based on promising looks
[08:39] <kwwii> troy_s: I've done quit a bit of work with both of those, as well as others
[08:39] <troy_s> both of what?
[08:39] <kwwii> 3ds, maya
[08:39] <fschoep> OK, I don't know how Niel's going to automate that, but simply using keyframes would be easier than "scripting".
[08:39] <troy_s> kwwii, yah i usually just go to folks for 3d related things... never had to be a heavy tool guy.
[08:40] <troy_s> fschoep, certainly
[08:40] <troy_s> and pull the proper keys
[08:40] <kwwii> yepp
[08:40] <fschoep> The "best" thing I did publicly with Blender were those ice cubes but I know my way around.
[08:40] <troy_s> fschoep, the other limiter is the fact with a fixed logo, the various positions tend to be non uniform, but i suspect the mesh will solve that... (mesh the length of the logo for example to distribute the sheen accordingly and uniformly)
[08:41] <troy_s> yes... funny that..
[08:41] <troy_s> there is a new samsung (?) campaign
[08:41] <troy_s> with nothing more than an ice cube on it.
[08:41] <troy_s> very funny... i was going to tell you
[08:41] <troy_s> big massive ice cube centrepunched
[08:41] <fschoep> Hehe, that's kind of weird indeed.
[08:41] <fschoep> But to be honest, I've always been a trendsetter.
[08:41] <fschoep> J/K :)
[08:42] <troy_s> you know what i mean by CHIARUSCO correct?
[08:43] <troy_s> (god looked at my spelling from before and almost puked...)
[08:43] <fschoep> No, I'm sorry.
[08:43] <troy_s> learn it... very useful term
[08:43] <troy_s> it is an italian word for a style of lighting popularized during the ren
[08:43] <troy_s> it basically means 'light to dark' but
[08:44] <troy_s> is typified by steep anglular lighting
[08:44] <troy_s> often people mistake chiarusco for hard light, but if you look to many of the classic painters,
[08:44] <troy_s> you will see that it is indeed steep, but heavily diffused with near lighting source for great falloff
[08:44] <troy_s> ok must lunch... back in 15.
[08:45] <fschoep> I'm not sure if I'm around here much longer, going to do some behind the scenes work now I guess.
[08:45] <fschoep> Thanks for the explanation btw.
[08:45] <kwwii> hehe
[08:46] <fschoep> kwwii: sorry you got CC'ed by third parties on two occasions today.
[08:46] <kwwii> fschoep: actually it was kinda nice to know what was going on :-)
[08:46] <fschoep> kwwii: that's the point
[08:47] <kwwii> you can Cc me more often, if you'd like
[08:47] <kwwii> hehe
[08:47] <kwwii> I have now realized that you do not like irc very much :p
[08:47] <fschoep> kwwii: I should've CC'ed you myself from the start...
[08:47] <kwwii> fschoep: don't worry about it, I still love you :-)
[08:48] <fschoep> I'm not going to comment on IRC :-)
[08:48] <fschoep> I love U2 (the band that is)
[08:48] <fschoep> j/k
[08:48] <kwwii> hehe
[08:49] <kwwii> well, we should probably somehow keep in touch more often
[08:49] <kwwii> so that we both know what the other is doing
[08:49] <fschoep> Yeah, indeed.
[08:49] <troy_s> fschoep, idle here damn you
[08:49] <fschoep> The problem is that I'm already having a hard time getting the right information to the right people and on top of that I actually need to do something.
[08:50] <fschoep> Well, that's kind of exaggerated.
[08:51] <kwwii> well, I might be able to help with finding the right people, since I've hung around the devels a bit more
[08:51] <troy_s> paper trail
[08:51] <troy_s> make sure you document the stuff so that others can pick up where you leave
[08:51] <troy_s> and also, remember that the 'team' has existed for a very short time really
[08:51] <troy_s> in terms of actually getting stuff done
[08:51] <troy_s> so the progress has been remarkable.
[08:52] <fschoep> OK, if you look at it that way.
[08:52] <fschoep> kwwii: that's great, if I need someone I'll get in touch.
[08:52] <troy_s> it will get easier, trust me...
[08:53] <troy_s> first guy through the bush has a rough time because he needs to cut down a bunch of brambles and such
[08:53] <troy_s> eventually, you get a road built and it is far easier
[08:53] <fschoep> That sounds about correct I guess.
[08:53] <troy_s> but you need to tell people about the work, or else they will never find the path
[08:54] <troy_s> ;)
[08:54] <fschoep> Talking about which, I might now get started on the theme team stuff and get it Wiki'ized.
[08:55] <fschoep> I might be back later on.
[08:56] <kwwii> see youu
[08:56] <fschoep> i'll idle for once :)
[08:58] <troy_s> bugger themes
[08:58] <troy_s> has anyone submitted yet?
[08:58] <troy_s> and make sure that you are clear that themes are more than bloody gnome/kde term themes
[08:59] <kwwii> what do you mean by theme then?
[08:59] <kwwii> you mean the whole artwork, in one style, for the entire system, from boot to shutdown?
[08:59] <kwwii> ie. one "look" for whichever artwork?
[09:01] <troy_s> kwwii yeppers
[09:01] <troy_s> exactly.
[09:01] <kwwii> gotcha
[09:02] <troy_s> because as soon as you say 'theme', people get so damn focused that it becomes uselses.
[09:02] <kwwii> very true
[09:05] <troy_s> so much for fschoep idling... bugger
[09:06] <kwwii> hey, he was idle for 5 minutes!
[09:06] <troy_s> lol
[09:06] <troy_s> barely
[09:08] <kwwii> it is probably his chat client that does it
[09:08] <kwwii> or he really dislikes irc
[09:08] <kwwii> :p
[09:25] <troy_s> there he is
[09:43] <kwwii> re
[09:57] <troy_s> fschoep what is up with all your quts?
[09:58] <troy_s> fschoep, you using xchat?
[09:58] <fschoep> troy_s: I think my MB's sleep is interfering with IRC
[09:58] <fschoep> I just close the lid and walk off, probably not the best way to do this.
[09:59] <troy_s> laf.
[09:59] <troy_s> sleep shutting down the lan
[09:59] <troy_s> goofy
[10:00] <fschoep> It's wireless, I can imagine it shutting off when closing the lid.
[10:00] <kwwii> frank, are you coming to the U Sprint in Wiesbaden?
[10:01] <kwwii> UI Sprint
[10:01] <kwwii> it is planned during my vacation in america, so I am looking at changing my flights
[10:01] <kwwii> not sure how that will work, though
[10:01] <kwwii> it would be really good for at least one of us to be there :-)
[10:02] <fschoep> kwwii: Wiesbaden, which country is that?
[10:02] <fschoep> Sounds German...
[10:03] <fschoep> It is in Germany, that's doable.
[10:03] <fschoep> kwwii: If I can get approval for the trip I'd do it.
[10:04] <fschoep> kwwii: is UISprint the same as the DistroSprint, on the 24th of August?
[10:07] <kwwii> hehe
[10:07] <kwwii> germany it is
[10:07] <kwwii> right by frankfurt
[10:07] <kwwii> yepp, they are the same
[10:07] <troy_s> wtf is ui sprint?
[10:07] <troy_s> where's the wiki page?
[10:08] <kwwii> well, it was called that like that last time, that is where I got the name
[10:08] <kwwii> wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:08] <kwwii> UbuntuDeveloperSprintWiesbaden
[10:09] <kwwii> it is only a few people sitting together and really working out problems
[10:09] <kwwii> much more fun and intensive than Paris
[10:11] <fschoep> More fun than Paris, I'm already looking forward to it :)
[10:11] <kwwii> :p
[10:13] <fschoep> kwwii: Who is the contact for arranging attendance?
[10:13] <fschoep> Couldn't read that on the Wiki page...
[10:14] <kwwii> fschoep: send Jane an email...she sent me one today in response to a question I had about my contract and mentioned she wants you to attend as well
[10:15] <fschoep> kwwii: Jane Silber?
[10:15] <fschoep> Sorry for asking, I thought there were multiple Janes.
[10:15] <kwwii> fschoep: yepp
[10:15] <kwwii> yeah, there are
[10:15] <fschoep> kwwii: I'll get on it right away then, I'll let you know.
[10:16] <kwwii> hopefully I will be able to change my flights
[10:16] <troy_s> who all attends?
[10:17] <fschoep> troy_s: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSprintWiesbaden
[10:17] <fschoep> kwwii: Do you enjoy a DS more than a holiday :) ?
[10:18] <troy_s> no, but i consider ubuntu 'business' related
[10:18] <troy_s> so i tend to make exceptions if it doesn't bone me too much
[10:18] <fschoep> Troy, I was asking Kenneth, I didn't mean to offend you...
[10:19] <kwwii> fschoep: it is in our contracts that we have to attend :p
[10:19] <fschoep> kwwii: right, I kind of forgot that
[10:21] <kwwii> well, I actually had these tickets before the contract started, and I guess they would understand, but I think i will change my fights anyway :p
[10:22] <fschoep> OK, wouldn't your wife mind?
[10:22] <fschoep> Sorry, that's none of my business...
[10:22] <kwwii> hehe
[10:22] <kwwii> don't worry so much :-)
[10:23] <fschoep> That's kind of tough :)
[10:23] <kwwii> she is not coming anyway...her mother is really sick and is already in a hospice, they do not know how long she has left to live
[10:23] <kwwii> things here are tough all around
[10:25] <kwwii> now, I shut everyone up
[10:25] <kwwii> sorry
[10:25] <fschoep> That's unfortunate to hear Kenneth, best wishes and strength (I'm not sure if those are the words I was looking for) from my side of the universe to you.
[10:25] <fschoep> And your family, of course.
[10:25] <kwwii> fschoep: thanks man, it is a tough time but we wil get through it
[10:25] <kwwii> that is what being a family is all about :-)
[10:26] <fschoep> I think it is, yeah. I hope you get through this and have some good times again.
[10:27] <troy_s> fschoep, you can't offend me frank.
[10:27] <troy_s> and none was taken
[10:27] <fschoep> OK, that's cool.
[10:27] <troy_s> laf... dare i say it is impossible.
[10:28] <troy_s> i have thick skin... pretty production driven.
[10:28] <fschoep> By the way. what does "laf" mean, is it shorthand for "laugh"?
[10:28] <troy_s> indeed.
[10:29] <fschoep> OK, that's at least one thing I understand.
[10:29] <kwwii> I bet I can offend you :-)
[10:29] <kwwii> I am really good at that!
[10:29] <fschoep> laf
[10:29] <troy_s> kwwii:  i doubt it.
[10:29] <troy_s> lol
[10:30] <fschoep> Maybe you should try it in a private conversation so that we don't need to collectively see you in action, Kenneth :)
[10:30] <troy_s> laf
[10:30] <troy_s> so perhaps pin niklas with some
[10:30] <troy_s> compositions for logo
[10:30] <troy_s> etc.
[10:31] <kwwii> hehe
[10:31] <troy_s> pretty sure he can adopt the PoP approach there frank, if you push him in the right direction
[10:31] <troy_s> fschoep, by the way, do you know how to smooth that extrusion issue in niels pops?
[10:32] <fschoep> I'd have to see what the mesh looks like in Blender, maybe the normals are facing incorrect, maybe there are duplicate vertices and maybe it's a matter of setting subsurf to something higher.
[10:45] <troy_s> have you mailed niel yet fschoep?
[10:45] <troy_s> he is quite accessible
[10:46] <fschoep> troy_s: Not yet. I'll do it right away.
[10:46] <fschoep> troy_s: Most important things are getting his mesh OK and adjusting the lighting?
[10:47] <troy_s> actually, yes... getting the keyframes down for the 8 looks per style (rim/back, chiarusco, and top/side/bottom
[10:48] <troy_s> i think if we get the model in shape
[10:48] <troy_s> then banging out the samplings are very easy, especially when someone like sabdfl steps up and says 'try this...'
[10:48] <troy_s> then it is damn easy to knock off variants.
[10:49] <fschoep> OK, so basically we need a scene with the Ubuntu logo and animation settings set up so that rendering the animation will create eight frames each with different lighting
[10:49] <troy_s> indeed.
[10:49] <fschoep> Sounds doable.
[10:49] <troy_s> easy enough in a 3d prog if you have the knowledge.
[10:49] <troy_s> then we can perhaps bang out a logo model
[10:49] <fschoep> When that is done we can easily adjust material properties to fiddle around.
[10:49] <troy_s> the reason being is that getting 'looks' is far easier when they are automated
[10:50] <fschoep> Sure. I understand.
[10:50] <troy_s> then niklas or someone has a reference to build on or something
[10:50] <troy_s> exactly!
[10:50] <fschoep> I'll contact Niel to work this out right now.
[10:51] <troy_s> whats the screenshot hotkey in gnome?
[10:51] <fschoep> troy_s: ctrl + prscr do anything?
[10:52] <troy_s> no ;)
[10:52] <fschoep> Use GIMP then :)
[10:52] <fschoep> File -> Acquire -> Screenshot
[10:53] <troy_s> supposed to be print screen... hrm
[10:53] <kwwii> step 1) get your digicam
[10:53] <troy_s> LOL
[10:53] <troy_s> got it... fecking "F" enable key crap
[10:54] <troy_s> there is one fschoep  with the background
[10:54] <troy_s> very very very very very rough...
[10:54] <troy_s> but you will get the idea.
[10:54] <fschoep> OK, I'm excited already.
[10:54] <troy_s> selective blur is a very interesting tool.
[10:55] <troy_s> you get a strange sort of oil feel to images.
[10:55] <troy_s> surreal, generated, yet natural.
[10:55] <fschoep> Indeed, you can also use it for a "cartoony" feel with smooth solid areas.
[10:55] <troy_s> as you can see from my damn desktop, my workarea is centered around one topic
[10:55] <troy_s> lol
[10:55] <troy_s> well two if you count the film crap on there.
[10:56] <troy_s> i spent quite a bit of time examining the osx thematics...
[10:56] <fschoep> Me too, by using it :)
[10:56] <troy_s> it is interesting that they went with the tiger motif for some of their things.
[10:56] <troy_s> not the way i would have implemented it, but interesting none the less.
[10:56] <fschoep> They did?
[10:56] <troy_s> uh jag, tiger, yeah
[10:56] <troy_s> wallpapers and such
[10:56] <troy_s> in fact, some of their marketing used it.
[10:57] <fschoep> That's something I remember, with the furry X.
[10:57] <troy_s> fschoep, do you think honey234 has enough gloss to it?
[10:57] <troy_s> or 240 for that matter.
[10:58] <fschoep> It's kind of hard to see on the screenshot but they look like a caramel like substance, with gloss, yes.
[11:00] <troy_s> the ripple conch is interesting because it very boldly takes a mystical feel /interesting
[11:01] <kwwii> conch144 made me think of a dildo
[11:01] <kwwii> sorry, but it is true
[11:01] <kwwii> cause of that I spent the night taking photos of my wifes sex toys :p
[11:01] <troy_s> laflaflaflaflaflaflaflaflaf
[11:01] <fschoep> Hold on, I'm going to look at it :)
[11:02] <troy_s> i noticed the vaguely cthulian / vaginal sets
[11:02] <troy_s> there are some in there that are definitely pretty hilarious...
[11:02] <kwwii> actually there is some really neat stuff there
[11:03] <troy_s> its bloody funny you should say that...
[11:03] <troy_s> cuz i swear i was laughing out loud
[11:03] <troy_s> ripple-shell54 is totally vaginal without any tweaks.
[11:03] <fschoep> I can't seem to find the resemblance conch144 or maybe I'm just tired.
[11:03] <kwwii> troy_s: did you remove the bubbles?
[11:03] <troy_s> bubbles?
[11:03] <troy_s> nope
[11:04] <troy_s> that's all of them there.
[11:04] <troy_s> the beads are there
[11:04] <troy_s> everything is there.
[11:04] <troy_s> well last imagemagick dump...
[11:04] <kwwii> ahhh, now I see them
[11:04] <troy_s> i know which ones i am probably going to head towards, so the only new photography i am going to mock up will be for the cd inserts.
[11:04] <troy_s> fschoep, look-small3 is basically the wallpaper on that deskshot i showed you
[11:05] <kwwii> which is a good subject to talk about
[11:05] <kwwii> fschoep: do you want to make the entire layout of the CDs, or just work on parts of it?
[11:05] <troy_s> i think we really need to try and at least liason with the marketing/doc guys
[11:05] <troy_s> because it should involve them.
[11:06] <fschoep> kwwii: well, I haven't got *any* CMYK capable software yet so I'm pretty much out of the league anyway
[11:06] <troy_s> we could easily submit mockups
[11:06] <troy_s> fschoep -- gimp has cmyk plugins
[11:06] <kwwii> as for me, the only real problem I had with the kubuntu layout was the picture of the gear, as well as the relation of that to the greyed out ones on the inside and back
[11:06] <mhb> good evening everyone
[11:06] <troy_s> evening
[11:06] <kwwii> evening mhb
[11:06] <fschoep> evening
[11:06] <troy_s> fschoep and there is good cmyk support in a few tools.
[11:06] <troy_s> imagemagick to name at least one :)
[11:06] <troy_s> needless to say, that is not worth worrying about...
[11:07] <fschoep> kwwii: I understand, d'you think we need to step back and only judge the artwork done by the third party?
[11:07] <troy_s> just provide a macbeth with the image and poof
[11:07] <troy_s> good to go.
[11:07] <jenda> Can anyone help me? I have a .svg and want a prof. printer to print it for me. Saving to eps doesn't work. Are there any solutions available? (I can email the file, it's tiny)
[11:07] <kwwii> fschoep: well, I think we should at least do that, if not more
[11:07] <troy_s> kwwii:  mock ups are certainly worthwhile to showing to the marketing folks etc.
[11:07] <troy_s> but that takes sketching
[11:07] <kwwii> troy_s: yepp
[11:08] <troy_s> and people get too carried away with 'producing' right now.
[11:08] <troy_s> pops are critical long before production.
[11:08] <kwwii> I just wanted us all to be on the same page with this
[11:08] <kwwii> exactly
[11:08] <troy_s> i think we can contact sheet a good selection of
[11:08] <troy_s> pops for the marketers
[11:08] <troy_s> jenda:  what target does he/she want?
[11:08] <kwwii> jenda: to be honest, I would open it in adobe and save it with that
[11:08] <jenda> troy_s: eps, preferably.
[11:08] <troy_s> jenda:  just provide a macbeth then use imagemagick to vert it.
[11:08] <jenda> kwwii: to be honest, I don't have adobe :)
[11:08] <troy_s> and compare
[11:08] <kwwii> I have had little luck with the eps export functionality of inkscape
[11:09] <troy_s> imagemagick does it well i believe
[11:09] <jenda> I'll try that.
[11:09] <kwwii> yeah, try imagemagick, good point troy_s
[11:09] <troy_s> but again, you never know what calibration they have their mons set to
[11:09] <troy_s> so always do a comparison against a macbeth or something akin to it
[11:09] <troy_s> and ship both
[11:09] <troy_s> with me?
[11:09] <jenda> Not really :)
[11:09] <jenda> never heard of macbeth
[11:09] <troy_s> a macbeth is a colour chart
[11:09] <troy_s> with pre-defined colours on it
[11:09] <jenda> Ah
[11:10] <jenda> I'm not sure if they'd know how to use that
[11:10] <troy_s> you can 'assume' that everyone is in blah land with calibrated monitors, but i would NEVER bet on it.
[11:10] <troy_s> basically
[11:10] <kwwii> yeah, and it won't do cmyk anyway (as svg does not do cmyk)
[11:10] <troy_s> it is simply a colour chart with cmyk etc.
[11:10] <kwwii> yepp
[11:10] <troy_s> it has 'blue' red etc
[11:10] <troy_s> so they can simply compare against whatever they are using for their reffing
[11:11] <jenda> Wouldn't it be easier to find someone with adobe and have them convert it? ;)
[11:11] <troy_s> and you can be relatively sure that if your colours spec against whatever sample chart you provide
[11:11] <troy_s> that it will print the way you see it on your monitor
[11:11] <troy_s> with me?
[11:11] <troy_s> no
[11:11] <jenda> with you, es
[11:11] <troy_s> because you still aren't guaranteed reproduction
[11:11] <jenda> OK
[11:11] <troy_s> you need a constant really...
[11:11] <troy_s> and even though everyone thinks that using adobe or whatever will give you results, it won't.
[11:11] <jenda> I'm happy with approximate colors
[11:11] <troy_s> it ultimately depends on the inks, the papers
[11:11] <troy_s> etc
[11:11] <jenda> OK
[11:11] <troy_s> so just ship them a simple colour ref
[11:11] <troy_s> with your image
[11:12] <troy_s> and you shouldn't have too many problems
[11:12] <troy_s> (as it is damn hard to see relative colour spectrums once your cones and rods get tired of looking at an image)
[11:12] <jenda> OK...
[11:12] <jenda> I'm not with you again :)
[11:12] <troy_s> laf.
[11:12] <jenda>  simple colour ref = png?
[11:12] <troy_s> well colour management attempts to handle all this
[11:12] <troy_s> sure
[11:13] <jenda> good enough? OK
[11:13] <jenda> I have those done.
[11:13] <troy_s> but the problem is that colour management would only work with an established
[11:13] <troy_s> relationship
[11:13] <jenda> no idea what you mean
[11:13] <troy_s> if you take your stuff to someone that you don't know, you will want to say 'here is my blue here is my red etc'
[11:13] <troy_s> here is my picture... print
[11:13] <kwwii> color management is soo hard..for instance have you calibrated your monitor today? do you have the profile for the printer? etc.
[11:13] <troy_s> exactly
[11:14] <jenda> btw: http://www.tikal26.net/ubuntu/Samolepka-NC.png
[11:14] <troy_s> so simply using a reference image with your final product is probably the easiest way to make sure you get something close to what you want.
[11:14] <jenda> OK - that's good. I'll just give them the png with that, but...
[11:14] <troy_s> yep... so compare that against a standard colour test
[11:14] <jenda> how do I get the eps?
[11:14] <troy_s> and make sure that the brown looks decent
[11:14] <troy_s> etc.
[11:14] <jenda> no idea...
[11:15] <troy_s> imagemagick should do eps
[11:15] <troy_s> convert blah.in blah.out
[11:15] <kwwii> jenda: command line: "convert yoursvg.svg name.eps
[11:15] <troy_s> with all of its nuances... www.imagemagick.org
[11:15] <jenda> OK
[11:15] <troy_s> it is a very amazing tool.
[11:16] <kwwii> yeah, I feel stupid for not mentioning it first :-(
[11:16] <troy_s> now i must go wander through a studio for a few hours... be good folks
[11:16] <jenda> laters, and thanks
[11:17] <kwwii> hehe, I gotta run to the gas station....brb
[11:22] <jenda> imagemagick doesn't work for me.
[11:22] <jenda> nevermind
[11:23] <troy_s> jenda you get it working?
[11:24] <troy_s> it is a bit tricky at first, but imagemagick is damn powerful (even with 16 bits per channel colour depths)
[11:24] <jenda> No. I'll try them with svg :)
[11:24] <jenda> the file doesn't open, and i currently have too much to work on to spend more time on it. Thanks, troy_s.
[11:25] <troy_s> if you don't have eps enabled ware
[11:25] <troy_s> it probably won' topen
[11:26] <troy_s> but you can take both
[11:26] <troy_s> pretty sure that imagemagick will create a valid eps :)
[11:26] <troy_s> http://www.imagemagick.org/script/formats.php
[11:26] <jenda> I have no way of checking...
[11:26] <troy_s> jenda you will also need ghostscript :
[11:26] <troy_s> to view it.
[11:26] <jenda> why?
[11:26] <troy_s> if you read that page
[11:27] <jenda> OK
[11:27] <troy_s> because only gv handles eps properly
[11:27] <troy_s> i believe
[11:30] <troy_s> jenda:  sudo apt-get install gv
[11:30] <troy_s> should suffice
[11:31] <jenda> No, it doesn't open.
[11:31] <jenda> I'll send the the svg
[11:38] <kwwii> re
[11:54] <fschoep> I'm going to sleep. Goodnight Ken, Troy and everyone else.