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| zul | hey | 02:21 |
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| jbailey | Wow, really musn't leave this long between merges of initramfs-tools | 02:26 |
| zul | oh dear i have the hiccups | 02:26 |
| jbailey | The merged version only has 908 lines of diff now. *sigh* | 02:27 |
| zul | only? | 02:28 |
| Keybuk | heh | 02:28 |
| Keybuk | that's quite an improvement | 02:28 |
| Keybuk | what are the major changes? did we take the /etc/mkinitramfs => initramfs-tools change? | 02:29 |
| jbailey | Yup | 02:29 |
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| jbailey | Alot of it was that they went through and cleaned up quoting. | 02:29 |
| jbailey | We pushed hook scripts out to various packages. | 02:29 |
| jbailey | (I've taken all of the quoting changes now. yay debdiff) | 02:30 |
| Keybuk | cool | 02:32 |
| jbailey | Alot of the stuff that's in the Debian version is actually things from us. | 02:33 |
| jbailey | So while there would be subtle things like quoting changes. | 02:34 |
| jbailey | Or places where tab/8 spaces was different, they code was the same. | 02:34 |
| Keybuk | ok, so we shouldn't expect much to change? | 02:34 |
| jbailey | Right. | 02:34 |
| jbailey | There's a new noresume feature. | 02:35 |
| jbailey | And whee, the machine booted fine. | 02:35 |
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| jbailey | Keybuk: An interesting change is that rather than doing touch /dev/.initramfs-tools, it now does > /dev/.initramfs-tools | 02:39 |
| BenC | kernel-package uploaded aswell | 02:39 |
| jbailey | So you can always fetch more info from there. | 02:39 |
| jbailey | Also, it fixes the ramdisk size for /dev at 10M | 02:39 |
| jbailey | Adds cryptroot support | 02:40 |
| jbailey | Apparently works with lilo better now. | 02:42 |
| BenC | zul: I'd be interested to know if the new kernel-package handles your xen stuff well | 02:42 |
| BenC | zul: I can send you a .deb if you need it | 02:42 |
| zul | BenC: it doesnt work that great with the patch that we had, it didnt make the vmlinuz and when i tried making the kernel-image it wanted to make linux-xen0 | 02:43 |
| zul | debian doesnt use kernel-package for the xen0 kernels | 02:43 |
| zul | other than that i been doing make and make install for the modules and vmlinuz | 02:44 |
| jbailey | whee, accepted. | 02:46 |
| jbailey | Off to spend the rest of the evening with my wife and sister-in-law. | 02:46 |
| zul | if the kernel-package sees CONFIG_XEN then it wants to build the linux-xen0 image | 02:47 |
| BenC | zul: I didn't port the xen stuff, just relying on the support already in kernel-package 10.x | 02:49 |
| zul | BenC: i know :) | 02:49 |
| BenC | you could just install the debian kernel-package, and for xen, it should be same | 02:49 |
| BenC | ok :) | 02:49 |
| zul | true...i havent tried the kernel-package since | 02:50 |
| DarkMageZ | can anyone confirm if r8169 exists in dapper's k7-26? | 02:50 |
| crimsun | /lib/modules/2.6.15-26-686/kernel/drivers/net/r8169.ko | 02:52 |
| crimsun | I don't see why -k7 would differ. | 02:52 |
| cjb | likewise /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-k7/kernel/drivers/net/r8169.ko | 02:53 |
| cjb | (which is k7 but not 26.) | 02:53 |
| DarkMageZ | yeah, i did test the box against -23 (which it still has hanging around). hmm, i'll have to do more testing when i get back to work... thanks | 02:55 |
| crimsun | -rw-r--r-- root/root 37174 2006-07-07 14:24 ./lib/modules/2.6.15-26-k7/kernel/drivers/net/r8169.ko | 02:56 |
| DarkMageZ | yeah, i brought one of those cards yesterday and it just didn't work. i'll check over for me making noob mistakes and try again :) cyas | 02:57 |
| cjb | Speaking of this stuff, is there a reason I'm not getting grub runs after kernel installs, after upgrading to edgy? | 03:00 |
| cjb | .. or initrds made. | 03:00 |
| zul | er....known bug | 03:00 |
| cjb | Ah, thanks. | 03:03 |
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| fabbione | BenC: i think we are going to readd gfs1 to the kernel together with gfs2 | 08:54 |
| fabbione | RH just realized that they can't kill one for the other without at least a 5 years overlap for transitioning :) | 08:55 |
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| zul | heh...redhat | 09:09 |
| BenC | fabbione: ok | 09:41 |
| fabbione | BenC: in any case i will do the merge if required | 09:41 |
| fabbione | so you don't need to worry about it really... | 09:41 |
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| zul | bbl...im going back to bed | 10:02 |
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| Keybuk | anyone awake? | 12:17 |
| Keybuk | who cares about ia64? | 12:17 |
| lifeless | heh | 12:17 |
| lifeless | academically, or pragmatically ? | 12:17 |
| Keybuk | either :p | 12:17 |
| lifeless | well, I care, not that I ever do anything about it ;) | 12:18 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: what's the problem? | 12:18 |
| Keybuk | fabbione: asm/errno.h is missing from l-k-h | 12:18 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: that would be jbailey's fault.. | 12:19 |
| Keybuk | in fact, /usr/include/asm is missing entirely | 12:19 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: i have not time to fix it right now. Neither i have my machine up at the moment | 12:19 |
| fabbione | i have to finish the rh-c-s merge first | 12:20 |
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| zul | hi ho | 03:31 |
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| mjg59 | BenC: Keybuk: Someone's complaining that since the dapper kernel update, the kernel can't find their root filesystem | 03:48 |
| mjg59 | Oh, scratch that, he's being confusing about timing | 03:50 |
| msemtd | mjg59: I'm confused! | 03:51 |
| mjg59 | msemtd: Ah, you're in here too | 03:51 |
| mjg59 | Excellent | 03:51 |
| msemtd | yup - looking for Keybuk! | 03:51 |
| mjg59 | Right | 03:53 |
| mjg59 | So was the machine running the released version of dapper previously? | 03:53 |
| msemtd | yes - it's been dapper for a few weeks | 03:54 |
| msemtd | I upgraded from breezy | 03:54 |
| mjg59 | msemtd: Ok. There have been no udev updates during that time period. | 03:54 |
| mjg59 | So it's certainly not a udev issue. | 03:54 |
| msemtd | the upgrade went well | 03:55 |
| msemtd | I was assuming my rpoblem was simillar to some of the others' who report a simillar hang | 03:55 |
| zul | is it sata? | 03:56 |
| msemtd | ...although I only have a single IDE HDD with / & swap | 03:56 |
| mjg59 | msemtd: The "hang" is what happens when you don't have a device node for your root file system | 03:56 |
| mjg59 | There are various reasons why that could happen | 03:56 |
| mjg59 | It could be udev fucking up, or it could be the kernel fucking up | 03:57 |
| mjg59 | In this case it sounds more like a kernel issue than a udev one | 03:57 |
| msemtd | ...or both! :) | 03:57 |
| msemtd | yeah - it followed a kernel upgrade | 03:57 |
| msemtd | but now the older kernels won't find root either | 03:57 |
| msemtd | I could keep trying different root=/dev/xxx from grub | 03:59 |
| msemtd | mjg59: should I boot with break=top ? | 04:01 |
| mjg59 | msemtd: That would be a good start | 04:01 |
| msemtd | what to I need to do to load the device driver module following that? | 04:02 |
| mjg59 | modprobe module_name | 04:02 |
| msemtd | I suppose that's IDE | 04:02 |
| mjg59 | Depends on what sort of controller you have | 04:02 |
| mjg59 | There's probably a specific module | 04:02 |
| mjg59 | What sort of motherboard chipset? | 04:02 |
| msemtd | it's onboard ide SiS | 04:03 |
| mjg59 | Ah, hang on | 04:03 |
| mjg59 | Do break=premount | 04:03 |
| mjg59 | Rather than break=top | 04:03 |
| mjg59 | Then the module should be loaded | 04:03 |
| mjg59 | Sorry, break=mount | 04:03 |
| mjg59 | Then go into /dev and see what hd* nodes there are | 04:03 |
| msemtd | ok, break=mount - look in /dev - goddit | 04:04 |
| msemtd | hmm, will I have a shell by then? | 04:04 |
| msemtd | BusyBox? | 04:04 |
| msemtd | ...from initrd? | 04:04 |
| Keybuk | mjg59, msemtd: hmm? | 04:12 |
| mjg59 | msemtd: Yup | 04:12 |
| msemtd | Keybuk: sorry - I thought my boot problem was udev | 04:13 |
| msemtd | I have the root file system not found following linux-image-2.6.15-26-686 upgrade | 04:13 |
| msemtd | ...hangs at "Waiting for root file system" then gives up on /dev/hda1 and gives me a BusyBox shell | 04:14 |
| msemtd | tried acpi=off noapic irqpoll etc (my usual workarounds :) ) | 04:16 |
| msemtd | tried reinstalling older kernels but whilst chrooted from a knoppix 2.6 kernel so dunno if that'd screw things up | 04:18 |
| msemtd | why would older kernels (that previously worked) fail to boot when reinstalled? I sit because grub is pointing to a different udev device? | 04:34 |
| msemtd | s/I sit/Is it/ | 04:34 |
| mjg59 | Grub's configuration won't have changed | 04:42 |
| msemtd | the apt-get install will have run grub-update won't it? | 04:47 |
| mjg59 | Yes. That doesn't change the grub configuration. | 04:52 |
| mjg59 | Unless your config was already broken before you installed the kernel | 04:52 |
| msemtd | I think the grub config is fine - each new kernel I apt-getted whilst under knoppix got added | 04:53 |
| mjg59 | But until you do the test, we're going to have no idea | 04:54 |
| msemtd | true - I'll be trying tonight | 04:54 |
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| msemtd_ | mjg59: ok, at home now - I did break=mount and there are no hd entries at all | 06:12 |
| mjg59 | msemtd_: can you cat /proc/modules and look for anything with sis in? | 06:14 |
| msemtd_ | ok one mo... | 06:15 |
| msemtd_ | no, nothing with sis in it | 06:15 |
| BenC | anything with ata in it? | 06:16 |
| msemtd_ | um, no - we have commoncap and capability, softcursor, etc. | 06:17 |
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| msemtd_ | is there something I could modprobe? | 06:20 |
| msemtd_ | ide_generic? | 06:20 |
| mjg59 | You could try that | 06:24 |
| msemtd_ | wahay! I now have /dev/hdaxxx | 06:26 |
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| mjg59 | Right | 06:28 |
| mjg59 | Can you do | 06:28 |
| mjg59 | grep 0x0101 /sys/bus/pci/devices/*/config | 06:30 |
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| mjg59 | Sorry | 06:30 |
| mjg59 | grep 0x0101 /sys/bus/pci/devices/*/class | 06:30 |
| mjg59 | And then go to the directory with a match and do | 06:30 |
| mjg59 | cat vendor | 06:30 |
| mjg59 | cat device | 06:30 |
| msemtd_ | sorry, mjg59 I'll have to get back to this one - got to sort the kids out | 06:33 |
| mjg59 | Ok | 06:33 |
| Keybuk | BenC: we're not going with .18, right? | 06:34 |
| msemtd_ | vendor is 0x1039 device is 0x5513 | 06:36 |
| BenC | Keybuk: no | 06:36 |
| mjg59 | msemtd_: Hm. Odd. sis5513 should bind to that | 06:38 |
| mjg59 | msemtd_: Can you do rmmod ide_generic; modprobe sis5513 | 06:38 |
| Keybuk | BenC: GregKH has some more random sysfs changes happening, I assume those are for .18 or .19 and didn't go into .17 | 06:38 |
| BenC | nothing scary in .17 that I'm aware of | 06:39 |
| Keybuk | aye, /sys/class in .17 is still just class_dev | 06:39 |
| msemtd_ | mjg59: hmm, says "neither ide port enabled"! | 06:39 |
| mjg59 | msemtd_: Right. Interesting. | 06:41 |
| msemtd_ | mjg59: ah it seems ide0 and ide1 are taken! | 06:41 |
| mjg59 | msemtd_: Is ide_generic unloaded? | 06:41 |
| msemtd_ | sorry - i'll get back to this later | 06:42 |
| mjg59 | Ok | 06:42 |
| Keybuk | BenC: any particular reason for the conservative kernel choice? bad experience with dapper? | 06:42 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: We have no especially good idea when 2.6.18 will be released | 06:43 |
| BenC | Keybuk: not only that, but I didn't want to be chasing upstream kernel bugs+fixes for most of the release cycle | 06:56 |
| BenC | when we did dapper, .15 was opened right before dapper started, and I knew we'd have 3 months of settling after .15 was released | 06:58 |
| BenC | .18 was opened shortly after edgy started, and we'd probably only have 6 weeks max after .18 was released before edgy released | 06:59 |
| Keybuk | seems fair | 07:23 |
| jbailey | BenC: And that's assuming that any work gets done in August on 2.6.18, which I think unlikely. | 07:45 |
| jbailey | Summers are great for development when it's mostly students. Crap when it folks with spouses, kids, and vacation time who hack for a living. | 07:45 |
| BenC | jbailey: Sorry, I missed most of what you said...was outside in the swimming pool with my kids, and then played some volleyball ;) | 07:51 |
| Keybuk | BenC: we're so not fooling for your "I have a life outside of work" pretence | 07:52 |
| zul | heh | 07:59 |
| jbailey | BenC: *lol* | 08:02 |
| BenC | hehe | 08:15 |
| BenC | no sign of Mith, but I'm sure he will allow an exception for a new kernel, given that the current kernel wont boot after install | 08:24 |
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| mdz | BenC: did you re-enable that workaround for my VIA sound IRQ problem? I can't use 2.6.17 until that's back | 08:34 |
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| BenC | mdz: crap, I forgot to include it before upload...I'll get it in and have a pre-knot-1 kernel for you | 08:45 |
| BenC | 309M .xchat2/xchatlogs/ | 08:58 |
| BenC | think maybe I need to prune that | 08:58 |
| zul | a bit | 08:59 |
| BenC | sweet | 09:12 |
| BenC | fabbione: New pbbuttonsd handles keyboard backlighting on my pb now! | 09:12 |
| fabbione | BenC: yes i saw it! | 09:19 |
| BenC | it's using a different hueristic than macosx does though | 09:21 |
| BenC | on osx, if you were in complete darkness, the keyboard lights were actually a bit dimmer than if you were in partial light | 09:21 |
| BenC | it got brighter, then dimmer as the light decreased | 09:21 |
| fabbione | BenC: yes, there is a sensor on the keyboard that enable/disable backlight automatically in MacOS | 09:21 |
| fabbione | yeah | 09:22 |
| fabbione | MacOS was either on/off or manual | 09:22 |
| fabbione | the new psbuttunds is more smooth | 09:22 |
| BenC | macosx was smoother for me | 09:22 |
| fabbione | hmmm | 09:22 |
| BenC | it was automatic | 09:22 |
| fabbione | i will check again... | 09:22 |
| fabbione | it's rare i work in the dark anyway | 09:22 |
| BenC | same here, but it's nice when the light is as the threshold where the black-on-grey keys are hard to read | 09:23 |
| fabbione | ehhe yeah | 09:23 |
| fabbione | i am off to watch a movie.. later :) | 09:24 |
| BenC | jbailey: ping | 09:25 |
| BenC | later | 09:25 |
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| BenC | jbailey: dpkg-deb: building package `linux-kernel-headers' in `../linux-kernel-headers_2.6.17-5.7_powerpc.deb'. | 10:57 |
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