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[05:54] that's like 3am ok [05:54] well i'm not on the development team so hmm. === lilo [i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hawkwind [n=SoS@linuxfordummies/Hawkwind] has joined #Ubuntu-Meeting === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === triceratops [n=tricerat@dyndsl-085-016-043-062.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sharms [n=mindwarp@cpe-24-208-242-169.twmi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@ubuntu/butnotamember/ajmitch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:08] @detroit === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c211-28-181-26.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:10] @schedule [08:10] Schedule for Etc/UTC: 13 Jul 07:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 19:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 13:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 20:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 20:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team [08:10] @schedule PDT === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-234-6.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:12] @schedule America/Vancouver [08:12] Schedule for America/Vancouver: 13 Jul 00:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 12:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 06:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 13:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 13:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team [08:13] @schedule Israel [08:13] Schedule for Israel: 13 Jul 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 22:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 16:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 23:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 23:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team === highvoltage [n=jono@196.1.57.88] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:21] @schedule America/Detroit [08:21] Schedule for America/Detroit: 13 Jul 03:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 15:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 09:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 16:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 16:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:41] @schedule Croatia [08:44] @schedule CEST [08:45] weird; it doesn't know about CEST. [08:45] @schedule Zagreb [08:45] Schedule for Europe/Zagreb: 13 Jul 09:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 21:00: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 15:00: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team [08:46] pygi: there. [08:46] neuralis, eh :) [08:46] thanks :) === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:48] morning all [08:49] hiya, mdz [08:49] *yawn* [08:49] Kamion,seb128,Keybuk,dholbach,doko,sfllaw,rodarvus,Riddell,iwj,BenC: ping [08:49] morning === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 13 Jul 19:00 UTC: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 13:00 UTC: Kubuntu | 18 Jul 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 19 Jul 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team [08:51] hellp [08:51] -p+o [08:52] hello [08:53] mdz: pong === Mithrandir sends a "we're frozen" mail to u-d-a [08:54] brrrrr [08:54] mdz: I woke up to take my drugs. [08:54] Thanks all for merging my packages. [08:54] BenC: hey dude [08:54] I'm going back to sleep now. Unless you really need me. [08:54] sfllaw: still not feeling well I take it? [08:55] morning all [08:55] Yeah. Saw the doctor, she prescribed antibiotics. [08:55] sfllaw: ugh. rest up, let us know how you're doing tomorrow [08:55] Will do. [08:55] europe is late this morning [08:56] morning [08:56] nah, that only looks like :) === Amaranth [i=travis@ip70-171-170-153.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === fschoep [n=franksch@adsl-dc-35cb8.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:57] re [08:57] fschoep: welcome. is Ken inbound as well? === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Keybuk rubs coffee into his eyes [08:57] I'm not sure, I haven't really spoken to him about this. Didn't he contact you about his attendance? [08:57] fschoep: yes, he said he would be here === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:57] OK, then I guess he will be here shortly. [08:57] wow i made it [08:58] hey Amaranth :) [08:58] hi Keybuk, moin iwj === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:58] rodarvus: good morning [08:58] mdz: good morning! [08:58] hey rodarvus [08:58] waiting for seb128, dholbach, doko and kwwii [08:59] hey fabbione === fabbione rants towards his wife for not delivering on schedule and being 1 hour late [08:59] fabbione: hmm? [08:59] 1h ? [08:59] mdz: the term was this morning.. same as UVF :) [08:59] mdz: and now she is late ;) [09:00] mdz: pong [09:00] fabbione: tell her she's a slacker? [09:00] fabbione: but don't say I said it [09:00] you didnt make a clear schedule i guess :) [09:00] Mithrandir: that means asking for divorce ;) [09:00] fabbione: '1 hour late' means she's delivering *now*?? [09:00] fabbione: she is more than 1 hour late, or you should not be here ;-) [09:00] mdz: more than one hour.. yeah === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:00] ok, time to get started [09:01] fabbione: that means you're going for cesaria? (is this the correct word in english?) [09:01] dholbach: do you know where seb is? [09:01] everyone just says "c section" [09:01] rodarvus: caesarian [09:01] rodarvus: only after 2 weeks delay. [09:01] mdz: no, sorry - but he's aware of the meeting [09:01] BenC: you're up first [09:01] ah, there he comes [09:02] mdz: thanks === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:02] do I paste? === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:02] it's all in the wiki.. [09:02] BenC: yes, please [09:02] well, we read all our stanzas already, didn't we? [09:02] Done [09:02] * [09:02] cfq-by-default: DONE. [09:02] * [09:02] libata-for-all-ata-disks: BLOCKED. Still need to do boot loader stuff. [09:02] * [09:02] linux-kernel-crash-dump: IN PROGRESS. Cleaning up the userspace tools and scripts. [09:02] * [09:02] merges: kernel-wedge and kernel-package finally merged from Debian today. [09:02] To do [09:02] * [09:02] Finish linux-kernel-crash-dump. [09:03] * [09:03] Start on boot loader changes for UUID conversion (libata-for-all-ata-disks) [09:03] * === pitti thought the point of the wiki was to avoid large pastes [09:03] Start pushing bug reports from linux-source-2.6.15 to linux-source-2.6.17. Get some testing on whether 2.6.17 fixes any of these. [09:03] wow, that was ugly [09:03] pitti: no, the point was to make the data available prior to the meeting for review [09:03] err, I thought we were supposed to read the wiki [09:03] not paste [09:03] I sort of did too :) [09:03] it's much more discussion-friendly to have it copied here [09:03] but if you copy from the wiki, copy the raw text and not the HTML :-P [09:04] point taken :) [09:04] Keybuk: scary boot stuff is on your list, right? [09:04] sorry to ask this, but which wiki page are you referring to? (first time) [09:04] (for libata-for-all-disks) [09:04] I'm happy to do the partman changes [09:04] mdz: yup, migration for base-files are on my list [09:04] fschoep: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistroTeamMeeting20060713 [09:04] fschoep: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistroTeamMeeting20060713 [09:04] fschoep, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistroTeamMeeting20060713 [09:04] installer is probably Kamion's list [09:04] heh === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:04] and BenC was going to do boot loaders himself [09:04] it's not on my list, but I'll do it this coming week [09:05] (as soon as the installer works well enough to test) [09:05] ok [09:05] thanks BenC [09:05] Mithrandir: next? [09:05] * misc: Merges, merges, merges. X is, hopefully, in shape now, lacking apps and mesa (but mesa is being worked on and apps is trivial). Also poked a bit at the uninstallable list so we can end up with a knot not too much delayed. [09:05] * Specs: no progress due to abovementioned work. [09:05] * Next week: Get knot-1 out, start working on specs, get X completely in shape. [09:05] * Blocked on: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/edgy_probs.html shows a few problems. We need to get the uninstallable count _down_. [09:05] mesa seems to be the final blocker for ubuntu-desktop [09:05] we're also in the first knot freeze now, so please don't upload stuff to main without approval from me. [09:05] rodarvus was working on it earlier [09:05] iirc, rodarvus did that last night. [09:06] xorg is still uninstallable though [09:06] mesa was uploaded last night [09:06] but has new dependency on lesstif [09:06] which mdz asked me to remove [09:06] Mithrandir: seems a little early for knot freeze given that the installer hasn't ever been tried in edgy yet [09:06] correc [09:06] t [09:06] I expect quite a lot of changes still [09:06] rodarvus: if you want to brief me, i can do it this morning [09:07] debian-installer built everywhere but amd64; I'll work on that this morning [09:07] Kamion: do you expect any big changes already? Apart from you having done the merge of doom? [09:07] Mithrandir: I don't know :-) [09:07] Mithrandir: you intend to release knot 1 whenever it's ready? [09:07] fabbione: that would be *very* kind of you, I'll do it right after the meeting then (it was non-obvious to me what to do to completely remove lesstif from mesa) [09:07] robitaille: let's take that on -x later [09:07] history suggests that it takes a few days from first d-i merge to usability [09:07] mdz: yes. [09:07] Mithrandir: is there a list of blockers in the wiki somewhere? [09:07] rodarvus: ^^ [09:07] but we can see how fast we can do it [09:07] mdz: edgy_probs is what I'm using so far. [09:08] fabbione: *nods* [09:08] Kamion: I expect the freeze to last a few days, so that's fine, IMO. [09:08] ok [09:08] hopefully, we'll be able to release tomorrow, but if we don't, we don't. [09:08] dreams ... [09:08] the first release is always painful, but we need to get it out. [09:08] Mithrandir: edgy_probs is a start, but it doesn't account for everything [09:09] mdz: I'll create a wiki page, then. [09:09] Mithrandir: thanks [09:09] Knot1ReleaseProblems or something like that. [09:09] ReleaseBlockers, maybe. [09:09] I was thinking we also ought to get the procedure written up for preparing a milestone === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:09] there's a spec about that. [09:09] like the one we have for beta and final [09:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MilestoneRhythm [09:09] both so that we don't forget things, and so that we can back one another up [09:10] I wonder how the livefs builds are doing; does anyone have access to those other than infinity who is ill? [09:10] yes [09:10] the logs are public. [09:10] although I probably can't do the initial setup [09:10] (I can only trigger them) [09:10] I can trigger them too [09:11] rodarvus: once mesa is fixed and built, please ask someone to trigger livefs builds and see what comes out [09:11] we kinda need infinity (or somebody with equal powers) to get the fakeroot build hand-bootstrapped on amd64 too. [09:11] Mithrandir: ah yes, MilestoneRhythm [09:11] mdz: sure [09:11] s/kinda// [09:11] IIRC there was something else that needed bootstrapping too [09:11] Kamion: gcc on ppc? [09:11] Mithrandir: nobody has equal powers to infinity, sadly [09:11] Mithrandir: if anything turns up missing during knot 1, be sure to add it to the spec [09:11] if we can summon lamont, he can probably still do it; although IIRC the machine lockdown meant some of the buildds were out [09:11] Mithrandir: yep [09:12] mdz: yup, will remember that. [09:12] Kamion: no lamont can't afaik. he has no LP access yet [09:12] Keybuk: we need to fix that [09:12] mdz: ubiquity totally won't work yet - I'm not sure we'll get it out for knot 1 [09:12] fabbione: he can log into the boxes though [09:12] Kamion: what does it need? [09:12] fabbione: https://launchpad.net/people/launchpad-buildd-admins [09:12] fabbione: he's in launchpad-buildd-admins too, which IIRC is now sufficient for everything except er I think it's chroot [09:12] management [09:13] fabbione: that was only when buildd admins needed LP admin rights, which is no longer true [09:13] mdz: it's sort of like a merge only not [09:13] Kamion: buildd admins only grants you UI permissions, not the access to the right boxes [09:13] Kamion: only knot? [09:13] mdz: needs an update to new d-i source and fixing of whatever breaks as a result [09:13] mdz: that too [09:13] can we have this discussion after the meeting? It's certainly needed, but it'll take too much time now. [09:13] edgy milestones will make great pun opportunities [09:13] Mithrandir: after the meeting is very very early in the morning for some of us ;-) [09:14] let's move on, anyway [09:14] Mithrandir: but I think we've covered the basics; please announce your wiki page on -devel-announce when it's up [09:14] mdz: willdo. [09:14] Mithrandir: thanks [09:14] dholbach: up next [09:14] Done [09:14] * easier-motuing: started off, announced to motu list, started mentor page, wiki categorization - I'd be happy for people to join in on MOTU/Mentors and more importantly MOTU/School/Requests. [09:14] * nearly everything of GNOME 2.15.4 and merges [09:14] * ubuntu-artwork update. [09:14] * bug triage [09:14] To do [09:14] * more bug triage, [09:14] * GNOME updates for dapper-updates, [09:14] * HUG DAY next week [09:14] * get cracking on Galago and Telepathy. [09:15] dholbach: is 2.15.4 complete? [09:15] ooh, telepathy. Shiny. [09:15] there were some new tarballs during the night, but not much [09:15] dholbach: can you get the licences right to telepathy this time? :) [09:15] someone needs to look into the gnome-applets build failure: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-applets/2.15.1.1-0ubuntu2 [09:15] mdz: should be done in a bit [09:15] Keybuk: yes, will spend more time on it [09:15] something to do with python-gnome2-desktop [09:15] mdz: that's just due to uninstallables, isn't it? [09:15] mdz: it built on i386, isn't the other arch an instability from gnome-python-desktop issue? [09:16] Keybuk: yes, but I haven't traced it to its root [09:16] mdz: right, not a gnome-applets bug ... I'll have a look after meeting [09:16] ok [09:16] thanks dholbach === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:16] how often are mass givebacks done or builds retried? [09:16] doko: next [09:16] the buildds still have ~3 days of building to do [09:16] Done [09:16] * toolchain-roadmap / gcc-ssp: investigate powerpc problems, rebootstrap a working gnat-4.1, needs a manual build on the buildd. rework the ssp-default patch (only turn on ssp for C, C++, ObjC, ObjC++). [09:16] * python-roadmap: conversions for packages in main to the updated python policy. [09:16] * syncs/merges: outstanding python syncs/merges, java syncs needed for eclipse & azureus, various random syncs/merges [09:16] * openoffice.org: dapper security update [09:16] dholbach: rarely [09:16] * SoC nagging. [09:16] To do [09:16] * specs: packaging-hints is next [09:16] * openoffice.org: breezy security update, openoffice.org 2.0.3 dapper/edgy builds [09:16] Keybuk: that explains a great deal :) [09:17] Keybuk: really? the i386 queue seemed quite short the last time I looked [09:17] and the last time I checked we could build the entire archive in a few days ;-) [09:17] mdz: i386 didn't have much to build ... [09:17] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+builds?build_state=pending [09:17] sparc can't build more than a package a day ;) === fabbione larts Keybuk [09:17] it's slower than the ia64 buildd [09:17] we have 2 32 cPU sparcs at the DC... [09:18] fabbione: that's nice. make them build faster [09:18] i wish we could use them properly but LP has no concept of parallel build on one host [09:18] Keybuk: they are not the buildd unfortunatly [09:18] doko: is main finished for python-roadmap? [09:18] mdz: I have to check [09:19] fabbione, Keybuk: is it not possible to install launchpad buildd on same machine, in paralel ports? [09:19] fabbione: i can soon contribute a sparc to be used as a buildd, if it's not a problem that it's not in the dc. [09:19] doko: ok, thanks [09:19] ogra: next [09:19] neuralis: no you can't. sorry. [09:19] * last-week: g-p-m merge and update, common buildsystem some progress but not finished, voip meeting with scott balneaves about packaging basics, edubuntu-seeds ready for the first milestone CD [09:19] * next-week: buildscripts for ltsp-daily-image-tarballs, common buildsystem finishing, knot 1 CD [09:19] * specs: [09:19] - student-control-panel-completion: (drafting) [09:19] - ltsp-daily-image-tarballs: (started) [09:19] - ltsp-convergence: (common buildsystem switch still in progress) [09:19] - ltsp-netboot-enhancement: (mknbi in main, bug fix needed) [09:19] - thinclient-local-devices (started) [09:19] pitti: I asked ogra to hold off on g-p-m until the hal stuff was ready; I understand you're aware of it [09:20] mdz: yes, since yesterday [09:20] before I thought this was all experimental stuff since new hal isn't released yet and policykit is still under discussion [09:20] pitti: please check "deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/gcc-powerpc/ ./" [09:20] speaking of voip, those of you who haven't set up ekiga with the asterisk server yet, please do. it'll be awfully convenient for teleconferencing [09:21] ogra, seb128: if we do need the new hal, then I need to allocate a day to package it and policykit and give it some auditing [09:21] pitti: apparently new g-p-m will not do suspend/hibernate at all without it [09:21] pitti: my understanding is that g-s-t will use it soon, but not sure if that's mandatory or not [09:21] pitti, that would be nice, else bigger parts of g-p-m have to be rewritten [09:21] mdz: ^ this will make it subject to the gnome UVF exception? === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-12-232.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:22] what carlos showed us at GUADEC is that he has some code using policykit to "unlock" the admin features by example [09:22] pitti: one way or another it gets an exception because we need it [09:22] seb128, thats cool :) [09:22] we sort of had g-p-m in the gnome uvf exception for dapper, though only de facto because Kinnison asked for it lots [09:22] seb128: TBH I'm *terribly* scared of sidetracking unix users and implementing a parallel user and permissions infrastructure; I want to take a close look at it [09:22] ogra: I thought so before pitti complained about policykit :p [09:22] heh [09:22] Keybuk, Kamion: do the outdated python2.x packages need manual removal intervention? [09:23] well, we have a valid reason for it now :) [09:23] doko: almost certainly [09:23] pitti: if you can mail me some pointers to info about it, I'm interested [09:23] Kamion: it was not part of the desktop upstream for 2.14, it'll probably be for 2.16 [09:23] doko: yes, I'll look at that once all the builds have settled down [09:23] doko, what about the schooltool stuff on edgy_probs ? [09:23] doko: though don't we need transition packages? [09:23] mdz: yep, will do [09:23] Keybuk: no, we have Provides === fschoep [n=franksch@adsl-dc-35cb8.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:23] ogra: ok, thanks [09:23] Kamion: next [09:23] Kamion: provides won't replace them on users desktops [09:23] done: Basically nothing but merges; continued helping out with X on and off. Fixed installer security bug #48350. Some more oem-config reorganisation (nearly there, just need to make it work in the new world order now). [09:23] Malone bug 48350 in shadow "Backing up from final installation dialog results in blank root password" [High,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/48350 [09:23] merge-status: All done except for installation-guide, due to lack of time. I'd like to request an exception to do this immediately after UVF; it's just documentation and there's nothing it can break. [09:23] next-week: Get the first round of CD images going and fix installer bugs until it's ready for knot-1; all the pieces are there now so it'll just be iterative debugging. If possible, make ubiquity work in edgy. Start work on ubiquity-advanced-partitioner and/or revive-tasksel. [09:23] plus this partman stuff for libata [09:24] Keybuk: there's replaces/conflicts too, and users mostly just install them via dependencies rather than directly so it should be ok [09:24] putting in transitional packages would negate most of our gains, I feel [09:24] Kamion: no worries about installation-guide === lukketto [n=lukketto@host187-133.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:24] I'll probably do that between the cracks today [09:25] it tends to take a while, we have a BIG branding patch [09:25] I'd consider working ubiquity a blocker for a real milestone [09:25] ok, I'll see what I can do - will be hard to get it working until livefses are active though [09:25] Kamion: even so, I think our big branding patch is insufficient; last I looked there were still bits which were incorrect for ubuntu [09:26] Kamion: with any luck we'll have livefses later today [09:26] mdz: that seems likely; please let me know any time you spot any of those [09:26] Kamion: I suggest submitting it to the doc team for review [09:26] yeah, I guess that makes sense [09:26] thanks Kamion [09:26] fabbione: next? [09:26] * done: merges, merges and merges. [09:26] * merge-status: miss only redhat cluster suite that has huge infrastructural changes from the version in dapper. I might need a couple of more days before i can upload something sane. [09:26] * todo: complete the redhat-cluster update as top priority. Go on with specs. [09:26] I just don't want to end up having the doc team totally rewrite it such that I can never merge it with Debian again :) [09:27] Kamion: good point, be sure to explain === RichEd [n=RichardW@dsl-146-151-185.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:28] fabbione: sounds good, thanks [09:28] hey RichEd welcome to the distro team meeting :) [09:28] morning ... [09:28] Riddell: next [09:28] done: [09:28] merges: all main Kubuntu merges done. universe pleasingly close too [09:28] kubuntu-launchpad-integration: implemented [09:28] next week: [09:28] knot 1, kubuntu-easy-zeroconf [09:28] specs: mornfall not bountying for adept specs, I plan to break out the commercial repository support and dist-upgrade tool to new specs [09:28] thanks for doing the Kubuntu seed merge [09:28] Riddell,ogra: you guys both did your seed merges, right? [09:28] yep [09:28] the supported seed should be a lot more manageable in future [09:28] I think I remmeber seeing -meta uploads from both of you [09:28] mdz: yes, and kubuntu-meta update [09:29] Riddell: any known blockers for kubuntu knot 1 so far? [09:29] mdz: there's a few packages uninstallable for small reasons, I'll look at those today [09:29] ok, thanks [09:30] pitti: next [09:30] Done [09:30] * vast amount of merges and sync reviews; I have some updated merges, but I already did those which bring in new upstream versions. [09:30] * cups and dovecot fixes for dapper [09:30] * security updates [09:30] * automated-problem-reports: initial work, now collects all information except stack frame image and list of package dependencies; I'm currently fighting with some weird behaviour (forever-hanging gdb) when then agent is called by the kernel helper, this might need some discussion with BenC [09:30] * dug a good way into my bug mail, but did not get through yet [09:30] To do [09:30] * remaining merges which do not bring in new upstream versions [09:30] * fix automated-problem-reports to be more robust, release initial package to universe [09:30] * get OO.o security update for breezy with doko [09:30] * grab Adam for PHP security stuff; this has been dragged far too long [09:30] * catch up on bug mail [09:30] * fix the mysterious apt-ftparchive failure on the daily langpacks [09:31] pitti: I'm not sure when adam will be back at 100%; is there anyone else who can help with php? === Flik [n=Flik@d205-250-156-195.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:32] mdz: I can do it myself probably, but adam already has done a good part of the work [09:32] mdz: I thought fabbione did a merge of it? [09:32] Mithrandir: for stables [09:32] pitti: please file a bug about the apt-ftparchive failure if you haven't already; I'll look into it if I have time before mvo gets back [09:32] oh, or that was PHP security. Sorry. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:32] mdz: oh, it's a bit more tricky, I'll tell you in #u-d if you like [09:32] mdz: i did the merge for edgy..... [09:32] pitti: ok, thanks [09:32] that's it [09:32] fabbione: yes, thank you [09:32] mdz: so, php would take me a lot longer than him [09:32] fschoep: you're up [09:33] Specification: art-polish-human-icons [09:33] Contacted Michiel Sikma to discuss his vision on the consistency and state of the Human icon set. Trying to figure out who is going to do the actual icon production, contacted Mark. Creating list of icons that need work, scheduled for completion on the 23rd of July. [09:33] Specifications: ubuntu-art-login-manager, ubuntu-art-login-splash, ubuntu-art-usplash, ubuntu-art-wallpaper [09:33] Finished the Ponder phase this week, collecting texture and material references, Troy James Sobotka provided excellent samples. Kicked-off of the Propose phase, compositional ideas can now roll in. Seemingly slow progress in this phase up until now, will stir up the discussion soon. Contacted Daniel Holbach to start working out packaging details for the Human theme and Theme Team themes. [09:33] mdz: I'll talk to him, maybe he can send me his current work [09:33] Specification: ubuntu-art-cd-dvd-artwork [09:33] No progress yet, need contacts to start this up, all help appreciated. [09:33] Specification: ubuntu-art-complete-highcontrast-icons [09:33] Contacted Henrik Nilsen Omma for startup, will continue drafting and expanding the specification by walking through a default Dapper installation and identifying missing and unusable icons. [09:33] Non-specification: Theme Teams [09:33] The 13th of July marks the end of the Theme Team application process, up until now three (one man) teams have applied for creating a Dash, Peace and Tropic theme for Edgy. Will now document, kick off and start managing the progress of these teams. [09:33] Specification: art-polish-human-gtk-theme [09:33] Searched for documentation on creating and editing GTK2 themes on Google, GTK-org and GNOME-org, little found up until now. Any help here is greatly appreciated since the Theme Teams are begging for this information as well. Im going to try apt-sourcing Dapper artwork packages for clues next. [09:33] fschoep: that's the list which is scheduled for completion on the 23rd, or the icons themselves? [09:33] Specification: ubuntu-art-colour-palette-policy [09:33] I think weve made a lot of progress not only defining colors, but also locking down textures and materials for Edgys default artwork during the Ponder phase in the community artwork process. Im not sure if this specification is still useful. [09:33] Specification: art-sok-layout-colours [09:33] Scheduled to start identifying needs on the 7th of August, 2006 and produce layouts shortly afterwards to prevent overlap with the High Contrast icon theme work. [09:33] Non-specification: Dapper Artwork Backport [09:33] There doesnt seem to be a specification for this. I contacted Colin Watson as suggested by Mark to get a clear view on what were going to accomplish and more importantly, when. Once this gets fleshed out, I think we should make a spec. [09:33] Non-specification: Theme Selector [09:33] Will write a specification on this before the 16th of July and submit it for approval. Basically this is about having the GNOME Theme Preferences panel control more artwork items than currently possible. One thing that comes to mind is the login splash image. [09:33] ...whoa [09:33] mdz: the list [09:33] fschoep: what kind of contacts do you need for cd-dvd-artwork? [09:34]