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mhzwhat is the name for the most repeated element  within a group of data? 'fashion', 'tendency' ?01:40
crimsuncould you provide more context?01:48
mhzcrimsun: hmm, well, yeah01:53
mhzbasically, in spanish, we call 'moda' = the number/element that is mostly repeated in a group of many numbers/elements01:54
mhzI need to know what 'moda' is in english (moda can be 'fashion' when speaking about clothing)01:55
crimsunoh, that's the statistical mode.01:56
crimsunso just "mode"01:56
mhzmode?01:56
mhzokis01:56
mhzcrimsun: thx01:57
jsgotangcogood morning02:01
mhzbon giorno, jsgotangco 02:02
mhzooh, bona cera!02:02
crimsunmhz: np02:02
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=== Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | Read before installing: http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted
=== Topic (#edubuntu): set by ogra at Sat Jul 8 12:25:38 2006
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RichEdmornin08:47
bimberihi RichEd09:00
RichEdbimberi  mornin :)09:09
RichEdgetting psyched for the oddly shaped ball game tomorrow ?09:09
bimberihehe, a bit.  Still coming down off the World Cup to be truthful :)09:11
bimberigtg (home time)09:13
jsgotangcomorning RichEd09:17
jsgotangco(afternoon here hehe)09:17
RichEdhello jsgotangco :)09:18
HedgeMageoooh, life in here...09:34
HedgeMagejsgotangco: may I /msg you?09:34
jsgotangcosure a bit busy though but i dont mind09:35
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EmxBAhi to all of you here :) 09:46
HedgeMagehi EmxBA 09:48
HedgeMageI was just thinking about you last night09:48
EmxBA:) and?09:48
HedgeMageWhat does your schedule for next week look like?09:48
EmxBAwell...09:48
HedgeMageI'm thinking of trying to schedule a mini Handbook (formerly Cookbook) meeting sometime late in the week09:48
HedgeMagealso, if you're still interested, check out http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuHandbook 09:51
EmxBAI think you still don't understand, now i have DSL connection and I'm always online and I am totally free till september; i am just going to holidays (Croatia - Adriatic Sea) in August, a couple of days09:52
EmxBAI am interested, it's just I didn't have time to contribute on wiki because I had dialup connection, I hope you understand me09:53
HedgeMageahh absolutely :)09:54
EmxBAI appreciate that :)09:54
HedgeMageI just hadn't heard from you much so I didn't want to be presumptuous :)09:54
EmxBAwell, I've told you all that I like Ubuntu and Edubuntu and that I am willing to contribute on wiki and other things, for example, artwork09:55
EmxBA-->edubuntu logos which I made (ubuntu.juliux.de/emx/)09:55
HedgeMagethat url doesn't seem to work for me :(10:05
EmxBAuh sorry10:05
EmxBAit's here : http://ubuntu.juliux.de/stuff/emx/edubuntu/10:05
EmxBAHedgeMage:ok?10:12
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spaceyHedgeMage: please announce a meeting at edubuntu-devel10:43
spaceyi don't read irc much10:43
HedgeMagespacey: I will once we settle on a date/time10:44
spaceyi want to participate but if i don't know i can't10:44
HedgeMageEmxBA|eating: looking now10:44
spaceylast meeting wasn't announced either iirc10:44
EmxBA|eatingHedgeMage: ok10:44
HedgeMagespacey: it was on the fridge... I kind of spaced out on posting it to -devel :( sorry10:44
HedgeMageusually I'm pretty good about that10:44
HedgeMageI *never* forget the fridge at least... I've only spaced out on the mailing list once10:45
spaceyok no worries10:45
HedgeMageEmxBA|eating: I really like the one called "cubism" it's very cute.10:46
spaceyjust that if i read there is a meeting then the chance i attend is much higher compared to if i don't know :-)10:46
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spaceywhat are to logo's for?10:46
spaceys/to/the10:46
HedgeMagespacey: just some stuff she did for fun, i think10:46
spaceyok;p10:47
EmxBA|eatingHedgeMage; it's "he" not "she" 10:47
HedgeMageEmxBA|eating: oops, sorry10:47
HedgeMageso hard to keep track in IRC10:47
EmxBA|eatingspacey: those are edubuntu logos10:47
HedgeMagespacey: look at cubism.png it's cute :)10:47
spaceyEmxBA|eating: yes in different colors10:47
EmxBA|eatinghedgeMage: if you like the cubism effect i can make few of them10:48
spaceyHedgeMage: yes its cute10:48
EmxBA|eatingmost of people who've seen those logos mostly like the cubism one10:48
HedgeMagehehe10:48
spaceyi don't have any use for it, besides looking at it a few times10:48
EmxBA|eatingcan we do anything "bigger" with this? maybe organise a logo competition?10:49
spaceywell i there is a logo right?10:49
spaceywhats wrong with it10:49
HedgeMageAnyhow, I'm off to bed before I fall over.  If anyone has any special date/time requests or restrictions for the Handbook meeting, let me know (we're aiming for sometime late next week), same if you want commit access to the handbook repo... HedgeMage@binaryredneck.net10:49
spaceybinaryredneck hehe10:50
EmxBA|eatingI just want to see your opinions, I like the current logo but I just suggested the competition or something like that, if needed10:50
jsgotangcoHedgeMage: you wanted to pm you said?10:50
spaceyHedgeMage: only request is an announce10:50
spacey:-)10:50
HedgeMagedon't forget to check out http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuHandbook/EdgyTasks if you'd like to sign up for a particular chapter or chapters.10:50
HedgeMagejsgotangco: just need you to email or pm me a desired username and pw if you want commit access to the svn repo I set up to use until more of the team has access to the doc repo10:51
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spaceyHedgeMage: its suppose to be from scratch/10:51
jsgotangcoerr i have doc svn repo account10:51
HedgeMagespacey: we're taking stuff from the old cookbook and updating where applicable... some of the chapters won't match up, but most will10:52
spaceyHedgeMage: yes at least the ones i wrote still in there10:53
HedgeMagejsgotangco: since you're the only one, LaserJock said we should just do our own thing and email occassional updates to someone with doc repo access until more than one of us has access to the doc repo10:54
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jsgotangcohmm okay10:54
HedgeMageFrankly, at this point, I'm confused enough that I'm fine with hosting the temp repo until everything gets straightened out, as I've heard different things from a couple of different people, and we already delayed work on cookbook over a week and a half because of it :/10:55
HedgeMageHaving a repo is no good anyway unless most of our contributors can commit.10:55
HedgeMageAnyhow, if anyone needs commit access to the temp repo let me know10:56
HedgeMageOnce I have a few minutes free time I'm going to try to figure out if there's something different we should be doing.  This should work for now10:56
HedgeMage(If any of that didn't make sense, please note that it's 2am here and I've been up since 5am yesterday... I'm not so awake ATM)10:57
HedgeMageSorry also if that sounded a little ranty... I'm not angry with anyone... just sleepy as all heck10:57
HedgeMageI think TT is finally staying asleep this time, so I'm going to try to get some rest myself.10:58
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HedgeMagesee you later, guys10:58
crimsunbye10:58
crimsun(I guess my query didn't go through?)10:58
HedgeMagecrimsun: nope, never got it... try again?10:59
crimsunHedgeMage: I'm not identified, does that matter?10:59
HedgeMagecrimsun: it might, hang on my umodes got all goofed up today for some reason11:00
HedgeMagecrimsun: try again I just fixed it11:00
HedgeMageokay, really going to bed now11:02
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EmxBAsee ya! 11:02
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RichEd> meetings ... approx 2 hours <11:41
EmxBAtoday?11:41
RichEdemxba : i'm off to external meetings (sorry unclear)11:42
EmxBAok11:42
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RichEdhey highvoltage 11:43
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RichEdhighvoltage: did my mail come through yesterday ?11:43
highvoltagehi RichEd11:43
highvoltageno, strangely enough11:43
highvoltagei received all my other mail fine though11:43
highvoltagevery strange.11:43
RichEdhighvoltage: no spam blocking on gmail / iafrica i presume ??11:44
highvoltageRichEd: i don't think so, this account has no spam filtering on it11:45
highvoltageRichEd: try sending me an e-mail again, let's see what happens11:45
RichEdsent  ... i need to make sure other intro mails have gone successfully to mdz & rodavarus & ogra11:51
ograRichEd, they have :)11:51
ogra(sorry for not replying yet)11:51
RichEdno problem :) no response needed from busy people ... just waiting for conf call times etc. (and phone numbers) ...11:52
RichEdright -> off to canonical cpt ... meeting marilize & collecting bus cards ... later.11:53
highvoltageRichEd: it worked fine this time. can you forward me the original e-mail again? does iafrica spamtest messages you send too? that's quite strange.11:54
highvoltage(i mean, that would be quite strange)11:54
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cbx33hi all12:50
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rodarvusgood morning01:16
highvoltagemorning01:17
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rodarvusRichEd: I received your emails just fine - thanks for the introduction :)01:22
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jsgotangcogood evening02:53
jsgotangco=)02:53
ogra_hey jsgotangco 02:55
jsgotangcohey ogra how are you?02:55
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ogra_jsgotangco, fine, just setting up a new amd64 lappie ...03:01
jsgotangcowow03:01
ogra_well ... my other one died two days ago and all work stuff is on there ...03:02
ogra_including all ltsp fixes for knot 1 :(03:02
ogra_but its pleasing that installing and setting up edubuntu to be fully usable for me is done in less than an hour :)03:03
ogra_now lets see if it survives an edgy upgrade ;)03:03
jsgotangcoerrr is popcon already open for biz?03:03
ogra_sinc warty ...03:04
ogra_*since03:04
jsgotangcoi mean03:04
ogra_you mean ?03:04
jsgotangcoi just saw an email03:04
ogra_yes, lucas tries to advertise it a bit03:05
jsgotangcoyeah03:05
jsgotangcodo we expect a cd this weekend?03:07
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cbx33hi all03:12
cbx33so sorry I missed the meeting, minutes are up now03:13
cbx33how is everyone03:13
jsgotangcopretty good03:17
jsgotangcono worries03:17
cbx33how are things on your front jsgotangco 03:20
jsgotangcopretty good despite having a week-long rain..been productive at work and preparing for an ltsp presentation for a conference03:20
cbx33ooooh nice03:21
jsgotangcoalso helping out on some upstream development on jokosher03:23
jsgotangcoglade stuff03:23
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jsgotangcowow i didnt know gnome is switching to svn03:27
jsgotangcothat is sooo coool03:27
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jsgotangcothat will definitely make a lot of people happy03:28
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ogra_not me ...03:31
cbx333hey ogra_ 03:31
ogra_they didnt switch to bzr  :/03:31
cbx333jsgotangco: I was gonna help out on jokosher03:31
cbx333ogra_: gisomount is in revu03:31
jsgotangcocbx333: dive in03:31
ogra_cbx333, yay03:31
jsgotangcoogra_: are you sure that's a good idea :/03:31
jsgotangcoalthough modules based checkouts do make sense in a distributed model03:32
ogra_jsgotangco, sure, they should directly switch to LP :)03:32
cbx333ogra_: if you would be so kind when you get a sec to advocate :p03:32
cbx333if you think it should go in :p03:32
cbx333jsgotangco: I just don;t have time at the moment 03:32
jsgotangcocbx333: you plan to have that in main???03:33
cbx333no03:33
cbx333just in universe03:33
cbx333I don;t think it's needed/wanted in main03:33
cbx333http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2684 :D03:34
jsgotangcotry you best to advertise it so popcon will see it who knows =)03:34
jsgotangco(when its already in the archive)03:34
cbx333popcon?03:34
jsgotangcopopularity contest03:35
cbx333ah I see03:35
cbx333would you like it in main jsgotangco ?03:35
cbx333hehehe03:35
jsgotangcoi dunno give me a deb03:35
jsgotangcoor i'll compile it myself03:35
ogra_cbx333, i have no revu account ... but if Laser_away advcated and the package is good, i'm fine to upload 03:35
cbx333Laser_away: did advocate, but not on REVU yet03:35
cbx333he's been really busy03:35
cbx333he helped me with getting the packaging right03:36
cbx333I was pretty much there anyway03:36
ogra_poke him to do so ... if i find it ok then i'll upload directly ...03:36
cbx333oooh ok03:36
ogra_if someone complains, refer to me ;)03:36
cbx333:D03:36
cbx333okie dokie03:36
cbx333ogra: I'm hoping to get grasynco in too soon03:36
cbx333so people can use your rsyncer script easily03:36
cbx333that one is almost complete too03:37
ogra_yep, that'd be nice, even i dont see us having a knot cd yet03:37
cbx333oh not all went according to plan?03:37
cbx333I'm going to wait until the first cd is in place03:37
ogra_my amd64 laptop dies 03:37
cbx333I know03:37
ogra_*died03:37
cbx333:(03:37
cbx333I have an amd 64 machine03:37
cbx333I know jsgotangco already volunteered to do testing :p03:38
ogra_and took the opportunity to fix ltsp with it ... ppc is compeletly broken and i had no other HW03:38
cbx333minutes are up03:38
ogra_i'm just setting up edgy on this new lappie03:38
cbx333nice03:38
ogra_but it takes a while03:38
cbx333heheh03:38
ogra_and i'm not sure i can fix ltsp in time03:38
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cbx333in time for the knot release?03:38
ogra_yes03:39
ogra_it doesnt need to work, but it needs to finish the install03:39
cbx333heheh true03:41
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jsgotangcoheh im not looking forward to knot-1 really03:44
cbx33heheh03:44
ogra_well, it will be a horrible thing ... but target for ever knot is to at least install cleanly03:45
cbx33yeh03:45
ogra_apparently ltsp-build-client doesnt like dash as shell 03:45
ogra_thats a small problem03:45
cbx33hehe03:45
RichEdrodarvus: pleasure ... hope it's a good fit & makes sense :)03:50
rodarvussure does! :)03:51
jsgotangcohey rodarvus :P03:53
rodarvusjsgotangco: hey dude :)03:53
ogra_wow, this cheapo HP laptop is nice ... i havent found a feature that doesnt work in edubuntu yet :)03:58
cbx33ogra_: which laptop is it?03:59
cbx33hey rodarvus 03:59
ogra_pavillon ze200004:00
rodarvuscbx33: hi there :)04:00
rodarvusI'm waiting patiently for my laptop to arrive04:00
rodarvusbut it seem it will take another 15-20 days :/04:00
ogra_i just bought it ... seems you cant get any turion laptops in this city ...04:01
ogra_that was the only one after 5 shops ...04:01
ogra_but for 888 i cant complain ... even it took a whie to find it ...04:01
rodarvusogra_: how much one spends on a reasonably good laptop in germany?04:01
rodarvus(just curious, for comparison)04:01
ogra_as i said 888 ... but thats a cheapo 04:02
ogra_the keyboard sonds like it will loose the springs under the keys soon :)04:02
cbx33well of course wih the speed you type04:02
ogra_but the display is impressively bright ... 04:02
ogra_i'm sitting outside in the sun ...04:03
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ogra_its even better than my ibook04:03
cbx33wow04:03
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cbx33I'm soooo tired at the moment04:09
cbx33ogra_: do you need Laser_away to drop yo ua message of advocation04:10
cbx33via either email or IRC?04:10
ogra_cbx33, we can make it on IRC once he's around04:10
cbx33ok cooool04:10
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cbx33see y'all later04:11
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spaceyhttp://users.lichtsnel.nl/~spacey/plaatjes/screenshots/seemless-rdp.png04:36
spaceysweet04:36
spacey:)04:36
jsgotangcowow that is awesome04:39
ogra_cool04:39
spaceyyeah really useful in migrations04:41
spaceywhen you still have some legacy windows stuff04:41
spaceyworks quite smooth as well.04:42
spaceybbl04:42
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sbalneavMorning all05:02
ogra_hey sbalneav :)05:03
sbalneavHey ogra!!!05:03
sbalneavHow are ya?05:03
ogra_well... setting up a new lappie ... lagging behind on all my work through the dead of my acer after our voip session 05:04
ogra_but else i'm fine :)05:04
sbalneavogra_: What, did we kill your lappy? :) bummer.05:04
ogra_heh, no05:04
ogra_its a HW failure i dont have time to investigate atm ...05:05
ogra_seems the power socket is broken off the mainboard or something ... or the cable is broken ... it doesnt get any power05:05
sbalneavah, well, save it for the next ubuntu conference, and I'll bring my soldering iron with me.  Fix ya right up.05:07
sbalneavI spent my university summers as an electronic tech making board level repairs on mobos and monitors.  My first programming language was solder. :)05:08
ogra_heh, if my soldering iron and multimeter wouldnt be in some box in the garage i'd have fixed it myself05:09
ogra_sadly i dont have the time to dig for either now ... knot1 CD is waiting at the door and i need a x86 compatible system 05:09
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jsgotangcohey sbalneav =)05:15
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RichEdoff to install my new notebook ... have a good weekend all05:37
jsgotangcohave a good one RichEd05:42
ogra_RichEd, have fun istalling 05:42
ogra_i made it in less than an hour with that new machine :)05:42
ogra_lets see if you can beat that ;)05:42
jsgotangcoif we only had the bandwidth =)05:43
ogra_jsgotangco, i mean a standard dapper CD install indeed05:43
ogra_i dont expect RichEd to run edgy :)05:43
jsgotangcoahh its less than an hour yeah05:43
jsgotangcoim pretty sure its just half an hour even05:44
ogra_well, i'm so not used to workstation installs :) i usually only test the default and thats a lot longer through the server parts05:44
RichEdthanks ... i'm sure it will be a lot of fun :)05:44
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ogra_yay05:45
ogra_i'm near the point where i can start working again05:45
RichEdi've got the HP 12" baby portable notebook with docking station & external CD & flat screen - so accodrinbg to yout time estimate it should take me longer to unpack & assemble than to install then ... 05:46
ogra_heh, yes05:46
ogra_well, the partitioning will take some extra time for you ... i just wiped the HD here and tooke the default partition layout05:47
RichEdnewbie question: what's the main difference between workstation & server install ... additional services & security ?05:48
ogra_workstation is like a ubuntu install with different artwork and added edu apps 05:49
ogra_server installs several server apps (ltsp, the schooltoolcalendar server etc) 05:50
ogra_use the default (server) install only if you want to demo ltsp somewhere, else the workstation suffices for a laptop05:50
ogra_server is also ~500MB bigger on the HD05:50
RichEdi presume server requires more HDD <- well anticipated :)05:51
RichEdand does it use more memory for additional services ?05:51
ogra_not really ... they run in the background, but if you dont use thin clients they wont do any harm05:52
ogra_they open ports that are usually closed in ubuntu though05:52
ogra_so for safety dont use the server install if you dont need to :)05:53
RichEdokay ... last question ... will it make sense to install one server & one workstation ... say e.g. Ubuntu server on one partition & Edubuntu workstation on another ? for me to get to see & know the differences & maybe show people ?05:53
jsgotangcoi do that05:53
ogra_err, nope05:53
ogra_ubuntu server is something completely different05:53
ogra_you want either edubuntu server or edubuntu workstation 05:54
jsgotangcoi mean i have an edubuntu ltsp on hda1 then edubuntu workstation (my work OS) on hda205:54
ogra_ubuntu server installs a webserver with no gui 05:54
ogra_sure, thats fine 05:54
jsgotangcofor test purposes05:54
ogra_but dont use ubuntu server ;)05:54
jsgotangcoheh sure05:55
jsgotangcoyou DE lovin' freak05:55
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ogra_i'm considering renaming the seeds 05:55
jsgotangcohuh?05:55
ogra_we were first with having a server seed 05:55
RichEdokay ... so very last question :) can i upgrade edubuntu workstation to edubuntu server if i wanted to at some point in time (some of these qusetions may appear dumb, but i won't learn if i don't ask :)05:55
jsgotangcoyes05:55
pygiyes05:55
ogra_but ubuntu followed, now i have to sort a lot of stuff on every seed merge05:55
ogra_RichEd, yes, but it needs manual love then 05:56
jsgotangcodoes renaming make triggering the builds easier?05:56
ogra_(it wont create a ltsp environment out of the box like the installer does)05:56
RichEdokay ... it was just an theory question ... and if i keep my /home safe i can always rebuild the os partitions05:57
ogra_jsgotangco, no, but calling it classroom server will avoid the conflicts on merges05:57
lucasvoogra_: why not only classroom?05:57
ogra_and the confusion for people like RichEd who would probably install ubuntu server instead of edubuntu server ;)05:57
jsgotangcoogra_: right it makes sense too05:58
ogra_lucasvo, fine too ... as long as its not "server" :)05:58
lucasvoEdubuntu Workstation and Edubuntu Classroom05:58
ogra_well, it wont show up anywhere anyway :)05:58
ogra_apart from the metapackage and the seeds 05:59
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RichEdschweet ... have a good weekend all ... may check in tomorrow after the install ... thanks for the advice06:05
jsgotangcogood luuuckkk06:05
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jsgotangcogoodnight06:24
LaserJockhi jsgotangco 06:24
LaserJockbye jsgotangco 06:24
ogra_heh06:26
jsgotangcoLaserJock: how goes your spec?06:26
LaserJockjsgotangco: hahaha, I managed to grab the bzr source from LP :-)06:27
jsgotangcoLaserJock: you know, gnome just switched to SVN today06:27
jsgotangco=)06:27
LaserJockmy problem right now is I have it says I need gnome-common from CVS in order to build it06:27
LaserJocks/I have//06:27
LaserJockjsgotangco: good news, CVS makes me want to throw up :-)06:28
LaserJockjsgotangco: btw, it took 2 hrs to branch gnome-common from bzr on LP :-)06:28
jsgotangcosvn checkout http://svn.gnome.org/svn/gnome-common/trunk gnome-common06:29
LaserJocknice06:29
jsgotangcojust change gnome-common to any module you want to grab06:29
LaserJockvery cool06:29
jsgotangcowow this is pretty small06:29
jsgotangcothe checkout was just a minute06:30
LaserJockhaha06:30
jsgotangcoChecked out revision 3794.06:30
jsgotangcothat's why bzr took you 2 hours06:30
jsgotangcohaha06:30
ogra_LaserJock, CVS = edgy, no ?06:30
LaserJockhehe06:30
ogra_isnt that the version we ship ?06:30
LaserJock?06:30
jsgotangcono that's trunk06:31
LaserJockjsgotangco: haha, gnome-common took all of 5 sec here :-)06:32
jsgotangcolol06:32
rodarvusHooray06:33
rodarvusOLPC prototype board has just arrived!06:33
LaserJockanyway, once I get how to build sabayon from svn then I can start hacking away06:33
LaserJockrodarvus: \o/06:33
jsgotangcorodarvus: i hate you06:33
rodarvusjsgotangco: don't hate me, I'll put it to good use :)06:36
ogra_yippie !06:41
LaserJockbah, I can't find any info on how to compile this gnome stuff06:56
ogra_grab the source package and put the CVS source in there :)06:57
LaserJockoh, good idea06:57
LaserJockI'm used to see some sort of direction in README or INSTALL06:58
ogra_btw, dont update your pbuilder 06:59
ogra_(if you use edgy)06:59
LaserJockreally? bummer06:59
ogra_else it wont compile *anything* anymore06:59
LaserJockare we seriously ready for knot1?06:59
ogra_lol06:59
LaserJockI mean, I'm fairly used to all the crack06:59
ogra_edubuntu isnt 06:59
ogra_or better ltsp isnt ...07:00
ogra_its broken ... but i cant compile the fix ...07:00
LaserJockbut when people are saying "nothing while compile" that seems a bit much for a .iso07:00
LaserJock:-)07:00
ogra_well, errno.h is missing in the recent linux-headers package07:01
LaserJockheh, I even know that that's a problem07:02
ogra_you can still buuild script only packages though ... 07:03
ogra_its all fine as long as you dont need a compiler :)07:03
LaserJockanybody know what I'm looking for here:07:37
LaserJockchecking for XLIB_MODULE... configure: error: Package requirements (gdk-x11-2.0 pygobject-2.0) were not met:07:37
LaserJockNo package 'pygobject-2.0' found07:37
LaserJockI can't find any pygobject package07:38
LaserJockso I'm guessing I'm missing something here07:38
crimsunpython-gobject-dev07:40
LaserJockheh07:40
LaserJockI just did apt-get build-dep sabayon and found that out ;-)07:40
crimsunI used apt-cache search :)07:41
LaserJockwhat? I tried that07:41
LaserJockdoh07:41
LaserJockI get I was doing pygobject07:41
crimsunyeah, I dropped the 'g'07:42
crimsunoften the package names are slightly different, so I normally try different permutations07:42
LaserJockah, well sometimes I just come crying to crimsun after I can't get it to work the first time. but I try to avoid that because it makes me look dumb :-)07:43
crimsunhah07:44
crimsunthe nice thing is that we're all fumbling in the dark07:44
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LaserJockyeah, I've noticed that a bit. It's reassuring in a way to a new person (they aren't all dieties after all) but it's a little scary too (do they really know what they're doing?) :-)07:45
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LaserJockcbx33: hi, made some comments on REVU. I overlooked a couple things07:45
cbx33oh dear07:46
cbx33some bad stuff?07:46
LaserJockcbx33: but I built it and installed it and tested it and it looks good07:46
LaserJockcbx33: the biggest is that debian/copyright is basically empty07:46
cbx33yes07:46
cbx33forget that one :S07:46
cbx33whoops07:46
LaserJockyeah, I don't think the archive admins will appreciate a package with no copyright info ;-)07:47
LaserJockanyway, the changes are pretty minor07:47
cbx33and i was doing so well07:47
cbx33anything else?07:47
LaserJockoh, just a couple things, I put my comments on REVU07:47
cbx33ok07:48
cbx33so I should make the changse07:48
cbx33and upload again?07:48
LaserJockcbx33: yep07:49
nilsrainedubuntu download07:50
nilsrainoops, typing in another window07:50
crimsunin green nonetheless07:51
nilsrainbut since I've de-lurked, can I ask a question?07:51
nilsrainthat better?07:52
nilsrainno, still green, lemme fix that07:52
LaserJockyeah, I can't answer green questions ;-)07:52
nilsrainok, now I think I'm default.07:54
nilsrainok07:54
nilsrainCan I run Edubuntu server from the live cd?07:54
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nilsrainI want to demo LTSP before nuking my existig configuration07:55
ogra_*answered07:55
dan_youngn07:56
ogra_but the sad answer is no ... 07:56
dan_youngs/n//07:56
ogra_you can try it though07:56
ogra_but it uses unionfs and that works not very good with NFS07:56
nilsrainok, it seemed that the live cd was the client. I guess I'll try adding the packages myself07:56
nilsrainok, I see07:56
ogra_nope, the liveCD would be the server07:56
ogra_we07:56
ogra_'ll try such a thing in edgy07:57
ogra_but that totally depends on unionfs stability with NFS07:57
nilsrainright07:57
cbx33it'll be cool07:58
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ogra_if it works :)08:06
mhzhey guys!08:09
nilsrainI have a few hours to at least try it, but as you can probably tell, I'm no linux wizard.08:09
ogra_you can try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall on the liveCD, but that will need a lot of memory to hold the client chroot08:11
cbx33ogra, should glade files have the license info at the top?08:12
nilsrainthat's what I'm doing as a first go. I've got lots of RAM08:12
nilsrainthanks for your help08:12
nilsrainnow, I'm off to try the net-boot instructions. see you around.08:13
mhznilsrain: (i know i may be offtopic or way far from you need) afaik, netboot wont give you edubuntu env., just plain ubuntu minimal08:16
nilsrainoh, I meant I've got the packages installed on the server, so I need to build a net-boot disk for my laptop to act as the client. I intend to boot the laptop off the LTSP server, ignoring it's own hard drive.08:19
ogra_oh08:20
ogra_thats completely different :)08:20
ogra_https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPBootingClientsWithoutPxe08:21
nilsrainthanks.08:22
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cberloHi folks.  anyone know of a good way to lock down a gnome desktop for Edubuntu's LTSP?  I want to completely get rid of the Places menu, if possible.08:28
cberloOkay, how about restricting creation of launchers?08:34
LaserJockcberlo: sabayon can be used to lock down gnome08:35
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cberloLaserJock: Does it work well with LTSP?  I briefly tried it and it didn't appear to work right.  I'm getting all my users from a winbind setup, so I don't see how I'd apply the profiles to a list of remote users.08:37
LaserJockhmmm08:37
LaserJocksabayon currently doesn't work well over LTSP because it uses xnest to edit the profiles08:38
LaserJockI'm not sure about the winbind, that might mess everything up08:38
cberloso far, I'm trying to use a "template" user (called template, actually) and I've been presetting what I want the users to get.  winbind is set to copy this template user instead of using /etc/skel to setup the home directory.  Profiles are deleted at logout.08:39
LaserJocksabayon and pessulus are the only 2 lock down apps for gnome in Ubuntu that I know of08:39
cberloAre there any others?  I don't mind compiling stuff, or grabbing it from alien if I have to.08:41
rodarvuscberlo: no, sabayon and pessulus are the only GNOME applications of their kind08:41
rodarvusactually, sabayon is a lockdown application08:41
rodarvuspessulus is just a gconf-based lock down editor08:41
rodarvusso, not near as powerful as sabayon08:42
LaserJockI suppose there might be commercial/closed-source lockdown apps out there but I don't know of any08:42
rodarvusthere are none for GNOME, I'm afraid08:42
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cberlorodarvus: can I get sabayon to work with my "template" user, and apply the lockdowns to everyone that template is copied to?08:42
rodarvuscberlo: very likely, yes08:43
rodarvusyou'd just need to get around the Xnest limitation08:43
cberlorodarvus:  Alright, then I guess I'll pursue that a bit.  I can run X directly on the server to get the Xnest part up.  I don't think that'll be a major issue.08:43
rodarvus*nods*08:43
cberloIf Xnest is required for it to work at the client side, then there's a bit of an issue...08:44
rodarvussome manual work will be needed but it might work, indeed08:44
LaserJockcberlo: Xnest is only used to edit the sabayon profiles08:44
rodarvusXnest is needed only during profile creation08:44
cberloAlright.  Feature-wise, do you know if I can get rid of the Places menu with sabayon?08:44
rodarvusyes, you can08:44
rodarvusyou can edit most (but not all) aspects of the desktop using sabayon08:45
LaserJockas well as some firefox08:45
cberloI'd like to know how it deals with the Places menu...  can't seem to find ANYTHING on that...  But I'll play around and see what happens.  Thanks.08:45
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ograSetting up linux-image-386 (2.6.17.2) ...10:25
ograinfo: LTSP client installation completed successfully10:25
ograogra@edubuntu:~$ 10:25
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cbx33ogra, I think gisomount is almost there10:25
pygicongrats ogra ^_^10:25
ogra:)10:26
ogracbx33, yes, i saw it :)10:26
LaserJockI'm a couple minutes away from advocating it10:27
ograif thats done i10:27
ograll take a look10:27
ograand upload right away if its ok :)10:27
cbx33:D10:27
ograthis damned keyboard has the apostrope at a weird place :/10:27
LaserJockdone10:29
cbx33good to go>?10:30
LaserJockyes, it is advocated ;-)10:30
cbx33:D:D:D10:30
cbx33thank you sooo much for all the support LaserJock 10:30
cbx33ogra, :D10:30
cbx33it is done10:31
cbx33I have to pop out now10:32
cbx33I'll be back in a while I hope10:32
cbx33:D10:32
cbx33thanks everyone so much10:32
LaserJockhehe, np cbx33 10:33
ograhmm10:34
LaserJocka problem?10:34
ograsorry to be a nitpicker, could you s/Build-Depends/Build-Depends-Indep/ ?10:34
cbx33ogra, yes I can do that10:35
LaserJockyeah, I wondered about that one10:35
cbx33but I've just shut everything down, my wife wants to pop out10:35
LaserJockI haven't really seen that before10:35
ograyep10:35
cbx33I'll do it as soon as I get back and upload to REVU10:35
cbx33brb soon10:35
cbx33sorry guys10:35
crimsunerm10:36
ogra?10:37
LaserJockack, what now?10:37
crimsun/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gisomount shouldn't be hardcoded if the new python method is used.10:37
LaserJockI think it is10:37
LaserJockor at least that was my understanding of the policy10:37
LaserJockI could be totally wrong though, I'm pretty confused still10:37
crimsunthe whole point is to avoid having to use version-specific site-packages10:38
LaserJockpycentral intercepts the files and builds them for each py-version10:38
LaserJockso if you look at the .deb they actually install to pycentral10:39
crimsunwhich is why a version-specific site-package is a bad thing10:39
LaserJockhmmm10:39
LaserJockI'm not seeing the problem but perhaps I just need to read the policy over again, again :-)10:40
LaserJockI guess the preferred place would be /usr/share/gisomount ? according to 3.1.110:42
LaserJockalthough it looks to me like the point of python-central is that you can install modules like normal and python-central will take care of it10:43
crimsunyes -> /usr/share/gisomount10:44
LaserJockhmm, I wonder how that works10:45
LaserJock /usr/share/gisomount wouldn't be in Python's path so does python-central then look for .py in /usr/share/gisomount and compile/install to site-packages?10:47
crimsun/usr/share/gisomount is only relevant if there are private modules10:47
crimsun(are there?)10:47
LaserJockyeah, there is one .py module10:48
LaserJockconfig.py10:48
LaserJockhmm, I don't get the difference between python-support and python-central10:49
LaserJockI guess with python-support you install to a specific dir whereas with python-central you can install as you would before10:50
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LaserJockcrimsun: are you as confused as I am or am I an idiot? :-)10:53
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cbx33arrghgh11:17
cbx33my package sux11:17
pygicbx33, !!!?11:17
cbx33hehe11:17
cbx33more things to sort out on revu11:17
cbx33which I can;t do now11:17
cbx33cos I'm not near my pc11:17
LaserJocklol, did you see the backlog?11:18
cbx33yes i saw the backlog11:18
cbx33:(11:18
cbx33it'll be monday before it gets in now11:18
cbx33grrrrrr11:18
LaserJockcbx33: don't worry, you are like this ---| |--- close11:19
LaserJock:-)11:19
cbx33I know11:19
cbx33I'll be able to fix those issues when i get back in about 30 mins to an hour11:19
LaserJockalthough I don't know if the build rule can really be removed11:19
cbx33no me neither11:20
cbx33can you confirm that?11:20
cbx33and should I move the stuff from binary arch to indep?11:21
cbx33I know I still have to change that file ogra mentioned too11:21
LaserJockhttp://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-debianrules11:21
LaserJockyeah move stuff to indep11:21
crimsunyou're fine w/ pycentral11:22
cbx33without ?11:22
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crimsunRE: jordan's discussion 11:22
cbx33oh the build rule?11:22
crimsun(we were discussing the semantics for your package, cbx33)11:22
LaserJockdo you think pysupport would be a better way to go? it seemed to me that pycentral was more for legacy support11:22
cbx33ahh...who was it11:23
crimsunit's up to cbx33 11:23
cbx33slomo I think recommended pycentral11:23
LaserJockk11:23
crimsunif he wants to use pycentral, then that's his bag o' chili11:23
cbx33so I just used it and it seemed to work ok11:23
cbx33crimsun: I don;t want to start down a bad path11:23
crimsunneither are bad11:23
LaserJocksure11:24
cbx33ok cool11:24
cbx33right I'm off again11:24
cbx33back alter11:25
cbx33later11:25
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cbx33ok12:06
cbx33I'm back12:06
cbx33about the icons being used from gnome12:07
cbx33what do I say in the coypright12:07
cbx33LaserJock, shoud I get rid of binary-arch12:07
cbx33in the rules file?12:08
LaserJockcbx33: don't get rid of it, just use the # nothing to do here comment12:11
LaserJockcbx33: look up the copyright of the icons12:11
cbx33ok12:11
cbx33binary-arch: build install 12:12
cbx33should become 12:12
cbx33just binary-arch with the comment after it right?12:12
LaserJockyeah12:12
cbx33or do i need to keep the build install ?12:12

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