[01:40] <mhz> what is the name for the most repeated element  within a group of data? 'fashion', 'tendency' ?
[01:48] <crimsun> could you provide more context?
[01:53] <mhz> crimsun: hmm, well, yeah
[01:54] <mhz> basically, in spanish, we call 'moda' = the number/element that is mostly repeated in a group of many numbers/elements
[01:55] <mhz> I need to know what 'moda' is in english (moda can be 'fashion' when speaking about clothing)
[01:56] <crimsun> oh, that's the statistical mode.
[01:56] <crimsun> so just "mode"
[01:56] <mhz> mode?
[01:56] <mhz> okis
[01:57] <mhz> crimsun: thx
[02:01] <jsgotangco> good morning
[02:02] <mhz> bon giorno, jsgotangco 
[02:02] <mhz> ooh, bona cera!
[02:02] <crimsun> mhz: np
[08:47] <RichEd> mornin
[09:00] <bimberi> hi RichEd
[09:09] <RichEd> bimberi  mornin :)
[09:09] <RichEd> getting psyched for the oddly shaped ball game tomorrow ?
[09:11] <bimberi> hehe, a bit.  Still coming down off the World Cup to be truthful :)
[09:13] <bimberi> gtg (home time)
[09:17] <jsgotangco> morning RichEd
[09:17] <jsgotangco> (afternoon here hehe)
[09:18] <RichEd> hello jsgotangco :)
[09:34] <HedgeMage> oooh, life in here...
[09:34] <HedgeMage> jsgotangco: may I /msg you?
[09:35] <jsgotangco> sure a bit busy though but i dont mind
[09:46] <EmxBA> hi to all of you here :) 
[09:48] <HedgeMage> hi EmxBA 
[09:48] <HedgeMage> I was just thinking about you last night
[09:48] <EmxBA> :) and?
[09:48] <HedgeMage> What does your schedule for next week look like?
[09:48] <EmxBA> well...
[09:48] <HedgeMage> I'm thinking of trying to schedule a mini Handbook (formerly Cookbook) meeting sometime late in the week
[09:51] <HedgeMage> also, if you're still interested, check out http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuHandbook 
[09:52] <EmxBA> I think you still don't understand, now i have DSL connection and I'm always online and I am totally free till september; i am just going to holidays (Croatia - Adriatic Sea) in August, a couple of days
[09:53] <EmxBA> I am interested, it's just I didn't have time to contribute on wiki because I had dialup connection, I hope you understand me
[09:54] <HedgeMage> ahh absolutely :)
[09:54] <EmxBA> I appreciate that :)
[09:54] <HedgeMage> I just hadn't heard from you much so I didn't want to be presumptuous :)
[09:55] <EmxBA> well, I've told you all that I like Ubuntu and Edubuntu and that I am willing to contribute on wiki and other things, for example, artwork
[09:55] <EmxBA> -->edubuntu logos which I made (ubuntu.juliux.de/emx/)
[10:05] <HedgeMage> that url doesn't seem to work for me :(
[10:05] <EmxBA> uh sorry
[10:05] <EmxBA> it's here : http://ubuntu.juliux.de/stuff/emx/edubuntu/
[10:12] <EmxBA> HedgeMage:ok?
[10:43] <spacey> HedgeMage: please announce a meeting at edubuntu-devel
[10:43] <spacey> i don't read irc much
[10:44] <HedgeMage> spacey: I will once we settle on a date/time
[10:44] <spacey> i want to participate but if i don't know i can't
[10:44] <HedgeMage> EmxBA|eating: looking now
[10:44] <spacey> last meeting wasn't announced either iirc
[10:44] <EmxBA|eating> HedgeMage: ok
[10:44] <HedgeMage> spacey: it was on the fridge... I kind of spaced out on posting it to -devel :( sorry
[10:44] <HedgeMage> usually I'm pretty good about that
[10:45] <HedgeMage> I *never* forget the fridge at least... I've only spaced out on the mailing list once
[10:45] <spacey> ok no worries
[10:46] <HedgeMage> EmxBA|eating: I really like the one called "cubism" it's very cute.
[10:46] <spacey> just that if i read there is a meeting then the chance i attend is much higher compared to if i don't know :-)
[10:46] <spacey> what are to logo's for?
[10:46] <spacey> s/to/the
[10:46] <HedgeMage> spacey: just some stuff she did for fun, i think
[10:47] <spacey> ok;p
[10:47] <EmxBA|eating> HedgeMage; it's "he" not "she" 
[10:47] <HedgeMage> EmxBA|eating: oops, sorry
[10:47] <HedgeMage> so hard to keep track in IRC
[10:47] <EmxBA|eating> spacey: those are edubuntu logos
[10:47] <HedgeMage> spacey: look at cubism.png it's cute :)
[10:47] <spacey> EmxBA|eating: yes in different colors
[10:48] <EmxBA|eating> hedgeMage: if you like the cubism effect i can make few of them
[10:48] <spacey> HedgeMage: yes its cute
[10:48] <EmxBA|eating> most of people who've seen those logos mostly like the cubism one
[10:48] <HedgeMage> hehe
[10:48] <spacey> i don't have any use for it, besides looking at it a few times
[10:49] <EmxBA|eating> can we do anything "bigger" with this? maybe organise a logo competition?
[10:49] <spacey> well i there is a logo right?
[10:49] <spacey> whats wrong with it
[10:49] <HedgeMage> Anyhow, I'm off to bed before I fall over.  If anyone has any special date/time requests or restrictions for the Handbook meeting, let me know (we're aiming for sometime late next week), same if you want commit access to the handbook repo... HedgeMage@binaryredneck.net
[10:50] <spacey> binaryredneck hehe
[10:50] <EmxBA|eating> I just want to see your opinions, I like the current logo but I just suggested the competition or something like that, if needed
[10:50] <jsgotangco> HedgeMage: you wanted to pm you said?
[10:50] <spacey> HedgeMage: only request is an announce
[10:50] <spacey> :-)
[10:50] <HedgeMage> don't forget to check out http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuHandbook/EdgyTasks if you'd like to sign up for a particular chapter or chapters.
[10:51] <HedgeMage> jsgotangco: just need you to email or pm me a desired username and pw if you want commit access to the svn repo I set up to use until more of the team has access to the doc repo
[10:51] <spacey> HedgeMage: its suppose to be from scratch/
[10:51] <jsgotangco> err i have doc svn repo account
[10:52] <HedgeMage> spacey: we're taking stuff from the old cookbook and updating where applicable... some of the chapters won't match up, but most will
[10:53] <spacey> HedgeMage: yes at least the ones i wrote still in there
[10:54] <HedgeMage> jsgotangco: since you're the only one, LaserJock said we should just do our own thing and email occassional updates to someone with doc repo access until more than one of us has access to the doc repo
[10:54] <jsgotangco> hmm okay
[10:55] <HedgeMage> Frankly, at this point, I'm confused enough that I'm fine with hosting the temp repo until everything gets straightened out, as I've heard different things from a couple of different people, and we already delayed work on cookbook over a week and a half because of it :/
[10:55] <HedgeMage> Having a repo is no good anyway unless most of our contributors can commit.
[10:56] <HedgeMage> Anyhow, if anyone needs commit access to the temp repo let me know
[10:56] <HedgeMage> Once I have a few minutes free time I'm going to try to figure out if there's something different we should be doing.  This should work for now
[10:57] <HedgeMage> (If any of that didn't make sense, please note that it's 2am here and I've been up since 5am yesterday... I'm not so awake ATM)
[10:57] <HedgeMage> Sorry also if that sounded a little ranty... I'm not angry with anyone... just sleepy as all heck
[10:58] <HedgeMage> I think TT is finally staying asleep this time, so I'm going to try to get some rest myself.
[10:58] <HedgeMage> see you later, guys
[10:58] <crimsun> bye
[10:58] <crimsun> (I guess my query didn't go through?)
[10:59] <HedgeMage> crimsun: nope, never got it... try again?
[10:59] <crimsun> HedgeMage: I'm not identified, does that matter?
[11:00] <HedgeMage> crimsun: it might, hang on my umodes got all goofed up today for some reason
[11:00] <HedgeMage> crimsun: try again I just fixed it
[11:02] <HedgeMage> okay, really going to bed now
[11:02] <EmxBA> see ya! 
[11:41] <RichEd> > meetings ... approx 2 hours <
[11:41] <EmxBA> today?
[11:42] <RichEd> emxba : i'm off to external meetings (sorry unclear)
[11:42] <EmxBA> ok
[11:43] <RichEd> hey highvoltage 
[11:43] <RichEd> highvoltage: did my mail come through yesterday ?
[11:43] <highvoltage> hi RichEd
[11:43] <highvoltage> no, strangely enough
[11:43] <highvoltage> i received all my other mail fine though
[11:43] <highvoltage> very strange.
[11:44] <RichEd> highvoltage: no spam blocking on gmail / iafrica i presume ??
[11:45] <highvoltage> RichEd: i don't think so, this account has no spam filtering on it
[11:45] <highvoltage> RichEd: try sending me an e-mail again, let's see what happens
[11:51] <RichEd> sent  ... i need to make sure other intro mails have gone successfully to mdz & rodavarus & ogra
[11:51] <ogra> RichEd, they have :)
[11:51] <ogra> (sorry for not replying yet)
[11:52] <RichEd> no problem :) no response needed from busy people ... just waiting for conf call times etc. (and phone numbers) ...
[11:53] <RichEd> right -> off to canonical cpt ... meeting marilize & collecting bus cards ... later.
[11:54] <highvoltage> RichEd: it worked fine this time. can you forward me the original e-mail again? does iafrica spamtest messages you send too? that's quite strange.
[11:54] <highvoltage> (i mean, that would be quite strange)
[12:50] <cbx33> hi all
[01:16] <rodarvus> good morning
[01:17] <highvoltage> morning
[01:22] <rodarvus> RichEd: I received your emails just fine - thanks for the introduction :)
[02:53] <jsgotangco> good evening
[02:53] <jsgotangco> =)
[02:55] <ogra_> hey jsgotangco 
[02:55] <jsgotangco> hey ogra how are you?
[03:01] <ogra_> jsgotangco, fine, just setting up a new amd64 lappie ...
[03:01] <jsgotangco> wow
[03:02] <ogra_> well ... my other one died two days ago and all work stuff is on there ...
[03:02] <ogra_> including all ltsp fixes for knot 1 :(
[03:03] <ogra_> but its pleasing that installing and setting up edubuntu to be fully usable for me is done in less than an hour :)
[03:03] <ogra_> now lets see if it survives an edgy upgrade ;)
[03:03] <jsgotangco> errr is popcon already open for biz?
[03:04] <ogra_> sinc warty ...
[03:04] <ogra_> *since
[03:04] <jsgotangco> i mean
[03:04] <ogra_> you mean ?
[03:04] <jsgotangco> i just saw an email
[03:05] <ogra_> yes, lucas tries to advertise it a bit
[03:05] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:07] <jsgotangco> do we expect a cd this weekend?
[03:12] <cbx33> hi all
[03:13] <cbx33> so sorry I missed the meeting, minutes are up now
[03:13] <cbx33> how is everyone
[03:17] <jsgotangco> pretty good
[03:17] <jsgotangco> no worries
[03:20] <cbx33> how are things on your front jsgotangco 
[03:20] <jsgotangco> pretty good despite having a week-long rain..been productive at work and preparing for an ltsp presentation for a conference
[03:21] <cbx33> ooooh nice
[03:23] <jsgotangco> also helping out on some upstream development on jokosher
[03:23] <jsgotangco> glade stuff
[03:27] <jsgotangco> wow i didnt know gnome is switching to svn
[03:27] <jsgotangco> that is sooo coool
[03:28] <jsgotangco> that will definitely make a lot of people happy
[03:31] <ogra_> not me ...
[03:31] <cbx333> hey ogra_ 
[03:31] <ogra_> they didnt switch to bzr  :/
[03:31] <cbx333> jsgotangco: I was gonna help out on jokosher
[03:31] <cbx333> ogra_: gisomount is in revu
[03:31] <jsgotangco> cbx333: dive in
[03:31] <ogra_> cbx333, yay
[03:31] <jsgotangco> ogra_: are you sure that's a good idea :/
[03:32] <jsgotangco> although modules based checkouts do make sense in a distributed model
[03:32] <ogra_> jsgotangco, sure, they should directly switch to LP :)
[03:32] <cbx333> ogra_: if you would be so kind when you get a sec to advocate :p
[03:32] <cbx333> if you think it should go in :p
[03:32] <cbx333> jsgotangco: I just don;t have time at the moment 
[03:33] <jsgotangco> cbx333: you plan to have that in main???
[03:33] <cbx333> no
[03:33] <cbx333> just in universe
[03:33] <cbx333> I don;t think it's needed/wanted in main
[03:34] <cbx333> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2684 :D
[03:34] <jsgotangco> try you best to advertise it so popcon will see it who knows =)
[03:34] <jsgotangco> (when its already in the archive)
[03:34] <cbx333> popcon?
[03:35] <jsgotangco> popularity contest
[03:35] <cbx333> ah I see
[03:35] <cbx333> would you like it in main jsgotangco ?
[03:35] <cbx333> hehehe
[03:35] <jsgotangco> i dunno give me a deb
[03:35] <jsgotangco> or i'll compile it myself
[03:35] <ogra_> cbx333, i have no revu account ... but if Laser_away advcated and the package is good, i'm fine to upload 
[03:35] <cbx333> Laser_away: did advocate, but not on REVU yet
[03:35] <cbx333> he's been really busy
[03:36] <cbx333> he helped me with getting the packaging right
[03:36] <cbx333> I was pretty much there anyway
[03:36] <ogra_> poke him to do so ... if i find it ok then i'll upload directly ...
[03:36] <cbx333> oooh ok
[03:36] <ogra_> if someone complains, refer to me ;)
[03:36] <cbx333> :D
[03:36] <cbx333> okie dokie
[03:36] <cbx333> ogra: I'm hoping to get grasynco in too soon
[03:36] <cbx333> so people can use your rsyncer script easily
[03:37] <cbx333> that one is almost complete too
[03:37] <ogra_> yep, that'd be nice, even i dont see us having a knot cd yet
[03:37] <cbx333> oh not all went according to plan?
[03:37] <cbx333> I'm going to wait until the first cd is in place
[03:37] <ogra_> my amd64 laptop dies 
[03:37] <cbx333> I know
[03:37] <ogra_> *died
[03:37] <cbx333> :(
[03:37] <cbx333> I have an amd 64 machine
[03:38] <cbx333> I know jsgotangco already volunteered to do testing :p
[03:38] <ogra_> and took the opportunity to fix ltsp with it ... ppc is compeletly broken and i had no other HW
[03:38] <cbx333> minutes are up
[03:38] <ogra_> i'm just setting up edgy on this new lappie
[03:38] <cbx333> nice
[03:38] <ogra_> but it takes a while
[03:38] <cbx333> heheh
[03:38] <ogra_> and i'm not sure i can fix ltsp in time
[03:38] <cbx333> in time for the knot release?
[03:39] <ogra_> yes
[03:39] <ogra_> it doesnt need to work, but it needs to finish the install
[03:41] <cbx333> heheh true
[03:44] <jsgotangco> heh im not looking forward to knot-1 really
[03:44] <cbx33> heheh
[03:45] <ogra_> well, it will be a horrible thing ... but target for ever knot is to at least install cleanly
[03:45] <cbx33> yeh
[03:45] <ogra_> apparently ltsp-build-client doesnt like dash as shell 
[03:45] <ogra_> thats a small problem
[03:45] <cbx33> hehe
[03:50] <RichEd> rodarvus: pleasure ... hope it's a good fit & makes sense :)
[03:51] <rodarvus> sure does! :)
[03:53] <jsgotangco> hey rodarvus :P
[03:53] <rodarvus> jsgotangco: hey dude :)
[03:58] <ogra_> wow, this cheapo HP laptop is nice ... i havent found a feature that doesnt work in edubuntu yet :)
[03:59] <cbx33> ogra_: which laptop is it?
[03:59] <cbx33> hey rodarvus 
[04:00] <ogra_> pavillon ze2000
[04:00] <rodarvus> cbx33: hi there :)
[04:00] <rodarvus> I'm waiting patiently for my laptop to arrive
[04:00] <rodarvus> but it seem it will take another 15-20 days :/
[04:01] <ogra_> i just bought it ... seems you cant get any turion laptops in this city ...
[04:01] <ogra_> that was the only one after 5 shops ...
[04:01] <ogra_> but for 888 i cant complain ... even it took a whie to find it ...
[04:01] <rodarvus> ogra_: how much one spends on a reasonably good laptop in germany?
[04:01] <rodarvus> (just curious, for comparison)
[04:02] <ogra_> as i said 888 ... but thats a cheapo 
[04:02] <ogra_> the keyboard sonds like it will loose the springs under the keys soon :)
[04:02] <cbx33> well of course wih the speed you type
[04:02] <ogra_> but the display is impressively bright ... 
[04:03] <ogra_> i'm sitting outside in the sun ...
[04:03] <ogra_> its even better than my ibook
[04:03] <cbx33> wow
[04:09] <cbx33> I'm soooo tired at the moment
[04:10] <cbx33> ogra_: do you need Laser_away to drop yo ua message of advocation
[04:10] <cbx33> via either email or IRC?
[04:10] <ogra_> cbx33, we can make it on IRC once he's around
[04:10] <cbx33> ok cooool
[04:11] <cbx33> see y'all later
[04:36] <spacey> http://users.lichtsnel.nl/~spacey/plaatjes/screenshots/seemless-rdp.png
[04:36] <spacey> sweet
[04:36] <spacey> :)
[04:39] <jsgotangco> wow that is awesome
[04:39] <ogra_> cool
[04:41] <spacey> yeah really useful in migrations
[04:41] <spacey> when you still have some legacy windows stuff
[04:42] <spacey> works quite smooth as well.
[04:42] <spacey> bbl
[05:02] <sbalneav> Morning all
[05:03] <ogra_> hey sbalneav :)
[05:03] <sbalneav> Hey ogra!!!
[05:03] <sbalneav> How are ya?
[05:04] <ogra_> well... setting up a new lappie ... lagging behind on all my work through the dead of my acer after our voip session 
[05:04] <ogra_> but else i'm fine :)
[05:04] <sbalneav> ogra_: What, did we kill your lappy? :) bummer.
[05:04] <ogra_> heh, no
[05:05] <ogra_> its a HW failure i dont have time to investigate atm ...
[05:05] <ogra_> seems the power socket is broken off the mainboard or something ... or the cable is broken ... it doesnt get any power
[05:07] <sbalneav> ah, well, save it for the next ubuntu conference, and I'll bring my soldering iron with me.  Fix ya right up.
[05:08] <sbalneav> I spent my university summers as an electronic tech making board level repairs on mobos and monitors.  My first programming language was solder. :)
[05:09] <ogra_> heh, if my soldering iron and multimeter wouldnt be in some box in the garage i'd have fixed it myself
[05:09] <ogra_> sadly i dont have the time to dig for either now ... knot1 CD is waiting at the door and i need a x86 compatible system 
[05:15] <jsgotangco> hey sbalneav =)
[05:37] <RichEd> off to install my new notebook ... have a good weekend all
[05:42] <jsgotangco> have a good one RichEd
[05:42] <ogra_> RichEd, have fun istalling 
[05:42] <ogra_> i made it in less than an hour with that new machine :)
[05:42] <ogra_> lets see if you can beat that ;)
[05:43] <jsgotangco> if we only had the bandwidth =)
[05:43] <ogra_> jsgotangco, i mean a standard dapper CD install indeed
[05:43] <ogra_> i dont expect RichEd to run edgy :)
[05:43] <jsgotangco> ahh its less than an hour yeah
[05:44] <jsgotangco> im pretty sure its just half an hour even
[05:44] <ogra_> well, i'm so not used to workstation installs :) i usually only test the default and thats a lot longer through the server parts
[05:44] <RichEd> thanks ... i'm sure it will be a lot of fun :)
[05:45] <ogra_> yay
[05:45] <ogra_> i'm near the point where i can start working again
[05:46] <RichEd> i've got the HP 12" baby portable notebook with docking station & external CD & flat screen - so accodrinbg to yout time estimate it should take me longer to unpack & assemble than to install then ... 
[05:46] <ogra_> heh, yes
[05:47] <ogra_> well, the partitioning will take some extra time for you ... i just wiped the HD here and tooke the default partition layout
[05:48] <RichEd> newbie question: what's the main difference between workstation & server install ... additional services & security ?
[05:49] <ogra_> workstation is like a ubuntu install with different artwork and added edu apps 
[05:50] <ogra_> server installs several server apps (ltsp, the schooltoolcalendar server etc) 
[05:50] <ogra_> use the default (server) install only if you want to demo ltsp somewhere, else the workstation suffices for a laptop
[05:50] <ogra_> server is also ~500MB bigger on the HD
[05:51] <RichEd> i presume server requires more HDD <- well anticipated :)
[05:51] <RichEd> and does it use more memory for additional services ?
[05:52] <ogra_> not really ... they run in the background, but if you dont use thin clients they wont do any harm
[05:52] <ogra_> they open ports that are usually closed in ubuntu though
[05:53] <ogra_> so for safety dont use the server install if you dont need to :)
[05:53] <RichEd> okay ... last question ... will it make sense to install one server & one workstation ... say e.g. Ubuntu server on one partition & Edubuntu workstation on another ? for me to get to see & know the differences & maybe show people ?
[05:53] <jsgotangco> i do that
[05:53] <ogra_> err, nope
[05:53] <ogra_> ubuntu server is something completely different
[05:54] <ogra_> you want either edubuntu server or edubuntu workstation 
[05:54] <jsgotangco> i mean i have an edubuntu ltsp on hda1 then edubuntu workstation (my work OS) on hda2
[05:54] <ogra_> ubuntu server installs a webserver with no gui 
[05:54] <ogra_> sure, thats fine 
[05:54] <jsgotangco> for test purposes
[05:54] <ogra_> but dont use ubuntu server ;)
[05:55] <jsgotangco> heh sure
[05:55] <jsgotangco> you DE lovin' freak
[05:55] <ogra_> i'm considering renaming the seeds 
[05:55] <jsgotangco> huh?
[05:55] <ogra_> we were first with having a server seed 
[05:55] <RichEd> okay ... so very last question :) can i upgrade edubuntu workstation to edubuntu server if i wanted to at some point in time (some of these qusetions may appear dumb, but i won't learn if i don't ask :)
[05:55] <jsgotangco> yes
[05:55] <pygi> yes
[05:55] <ogra_> but ubuntu followed, now i have to sort a lot of stuff on every seed merge
[05:56] <ogra_> RichEd, yes, but it needs manual love then 
[05:56] <jsgotangco> does renaming make triggering the builds easier?
[05:56] <ogra_> (it wont create a ltsp environment out of the box like the installer does)
[05:57] <RichEd> okay ... it was just an theory question ... and if i keep my /home safe i can always rebuild the os partitions
[05:57] <ogra_> jsgotangco, no, but calling it classroom server will avoid the conflicts on merges
[05:57] <lucasvo> ogra_: why not only classroom?
[05:57] <ogra_> and the confusion for people like RichEd who would probably install ubuntu server instead of edubuntu server ;)
[05:58] <jsgotangco> ogra_: right it makes sense too
[05:58] <ogra_> lucasvo, fine too ... as long as its not "server" :)
[05:58] <lucasvo> Edubuntu Workstation and Edubuntu Classroom
[05:58] <ogra_> well, it wont show up anywhere anyway :)
[05:59] <ogra_> apart from the metapackage and the seeds 
[06:05] <RichEd> schweet ... have a good weekend all ... may check in tomorrow after the install ... thanks for the advice
[06:05] <jsgotangco> good luuuckkk
[06:24] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[06:24] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco 
[06:24] <LaserJock> bye jsgotangco 
[06:26] <ogra_> heh
[06:26] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: how goes your spec?
[06:27] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: hahaha, I managed to grab the bzr source from LP :-)
[06:27] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: you know, gnome just switched to SVN today
[06:27] <jsgotangco> =)
[06:27] <LaserJock> my problem right now is I have it says I need gnome-common from CVS in order to build it
[06:27] <LaserJock> s/I have//
[06:28] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: good news, CVS makes me want to throw up :-)
[06:28] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: btw, it took 2 hrs to branch gnome-common from bzr on LP :-)
[06:29] <jsgotangco> svn checkout http://svn.gnome.org/svn/gnome-common/trunk gnome-common
[06:29] <LaserJock> nice
[06:29] <jsgotangco> just change gnome-common to any module you want to grab
[06:29] <LaserJock> very cool
[06:29] <jsgotangco> wow this is pretty small
[06:30] <jsgotangco> the checkout was just a minute
[06:30] <LaserJock> haha
[06:30] <jsgotangco> Checked out revision 3794.
[06:30] <jsgotangco> that's why bzr took you 2 hours
[06:30] <jsgotangco> haha
[06:30] <ogra_> LaserJock, CVS = edgy, no ?
[06:30] <LaserJock> hehe
[06:30] <ogra_> isnt that the version we ship ?
[06:30] <LaserJock> ?
[06:31] <jsgotangco> no that's trunk
[06:32] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: haha, gnome-common took all of 5 sec here :-)
[06:32] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:33] <rodarvus> Hooray
[06:33] <rodarvus> OLPC prototype board has just arrived!
[06:33] <LaserJock> anyway, once I get how to build sabayon from svn then I can start hacking away
[06:33] <LaserJock> rodarvus: \o/
[06:33] <jsgotangco> rodarvus: i hate you
[06:36] <rodarvus> jsgotangco: don't hate me, I'll put it to good use :)
[06:41] <ogra_> yippie !
[06:56] <LaserJock> bah, I can't find any info on how to compile this gnome stuff
[06:57] <ogra_> grab the source package and put the CVS source in there :)
[06:57] <LaserJock> oh, good idea
[06:58] <LaserJock> I'm used to see some sort of direction in README or INSTALL
[06:59] <ogra_> btw, dont update your pbuilder 
[06:59] <ogra_> (if you use edgy)
[06:59] <LaserJock> really? bummer
[06:59] <ogra_> else it wont compile *anything* anymore
[06:59] <LaserJock> are we seriously ready for knot1?
[06:59] <ogra_> lol
[06:59] <LaserJock> I mean, I'm fairly used to all the crack
[06:59] <ogra_> edubuntu isnt 
[07:00] <ogra_> or better ltsp isnt ...
[07:00] <ogra_> its broken ... but i cant compile the fix ...
[07:00] <LaserJock> but when people are saying "nothing while compile" that seems a bit much for a .iso
[07:00] <LaserJock> :-)
[07:01] <ogra_> well, errno.h is missing in the recent linux-headers package
[07:02] <LaserJock> heh, I even know that that's a problem
[07:03] <ogra_> you can still buuild script only packages though ... 
[07:03] <ogra_> its all fine as long as you dont need a compiler :)
[07:37] <LaserJock> anybody know what I'm looking for here:
[07:37] <LaserJock> checking for XLIB_MODULE... configure: error: Package requirements (gdk-x11-2.0 pygobject-2.0) were not met:
[07:37] <LaserJock> No package 'pygobject-2.0' found
[07:38] <LaserJock> I can't find any pygobject package
[07:38] <LaserJock> so I'm guessing I'm missing something here
[07:40] <crimsun> python-gobject-dev
[07:40] <LaserJock> heh
[07:40] <LaserJock> I just did apt-get build-dep sabayon and found that out ;-)
[07:41] <crimsun> I used apt-cache search :)
[07:41] <LaserJock> what? I tried that
[07:41] <LaserJock> doh
[07:41] <LaserJock> I get I was doing pygobject
[07:42] <crimsun> yeah, I dropped the 'g'
[07:42] <crimsun> often the package names are slightly different, so I normally try different permutations
[07:43] <LaserJock> ah, well sometimes I just come crying to crimsun after I can't get it to work the first time. but I try to avoid that because it makes me look dumb :-)
[07:44] <crimsun> hah
[07:44] <crimsun> the nice thing is that we're all fumbling in the dark
[07:45] <LaserJock> yeah, I've noticed that a bit. It's reassuring in a way to a new person (they aren't all dieties after all) but it's a little scary too (do they really know what they're doing?) :-)
[07:45] <LaserJock> cbx33: hi, made some comments on REVU. I overlooked a couple things
[07:46] <cbx33> oh dear
[07:46] <cbx33> some bad stuff?
[07:46] <LaserJock> cbx33: but I built it and installed it and tested it and it looks good
[07:46] <LaserJock> cbx33: the biggest is that debian/copyright is basically empty
[07:46] <cbx33> yes
[07:46] <cbx33> forget that one :S
[07:46] <cbx33> whoops
[07:47] <LaserJock> yeah, I don't think the archive admins will appreciate a package with no copyright info ;-)
[07:47] <LaserJock> anyway, the changes are pretty minor
[07:47] <cbx33> and i was doing so well
[07:47] <cbx33> anything else?
[07:47] <LaserJock> oh, just a couple things, I put my comments on REVU
[07:48] <cbx33> ok
[07:48] <cbx33> so I should make the changse
[07:48] <cbx33> and upload again?
[07:49] <LaserJock> cbx33: yep
[07:50] <nilsrain> edubuntu download
[07:50] <nilsrain> oops, typing in another window
[07:51] <crimsun> in green nonetheless
[07:51] <nilsrain> but since I've de-lurked, can I ask a question?
[07:52] <nilsrain> that better?
[07:52] <nilsrain> no, still green, lemme fix that
[07:52] <LaserJock> yeah, I can't answer green questions ;-)
[07:54] <nilsrain> ok, now I think I'm default.
[07:54] <nilsrain> ok
[07:54] <nilsrain> Can I run Edubuntu server from the live cd?
[07:55] <nilsrain> I want to demo LTSP before nuking my existig configuration
[07:55] <ogra_> *answered
[07:56] <dan_young> n
[07:56] <ogra_> but the sad answer is no ... 
[07:56] <dan_young> s/n//
[07:56] <ogra_> you can try it though
[07:56] <ogra_> but it uses unionfs and that works not very good with NFS
[07:56] <nilsrain> ok, it seemed that the live cd was the client. I guess I'll try adding the packages myself
[07:56] <nilsrain> ok, I see
[07:56] <ogra_> nope, the liveCD would be the server
[07:56] <ogra_> we
[07:57] <ogra_> 'll try such a thing in edgy
[07:57] <ogra_> but that totally depends on unionfs stability with NFS
[07:57] <nilsrain> right
[07:58] <cbx33> it'll be cool
[08:06] <ogra_> if it works :)
[08:09] <mhz> hey guys!
[08:09] <nilsrain> I have a few hours to at least try it, but as you can probably tell, I'm no linux wizard.
[08:11] <ogra_> you can try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall on the liveCD, but that will need a lot of memory to hold the client chroot
[08:12] <cbx33> ogra, should glade files have the license info at the top?
[08:12] <nilsrain> that's what I'm doing as a first go. I've got lots of RAM
[08:12] <nilsrain> thanks for your help
[08:13] <nilsrain> now, I'm off to try the net-boot instructions. see you around.
[08:16] <mhz> nilsrain: (i know i may be offtopic or way far from you need) afaik, netboot wont give you edubuntu env., just plain ubuntu minimal
[08:19] <nilsrain> oh, I meant I've got the packages installed on the server, so I need to build a net-boot disk for my laptop to act as the client. I intend to boot the laptop off the LTSP server, ignoring it's own hard drive.
[08:20] <ogra_> oh
[08:20] <ogra_> thats completely different :)
[08:21] <ogra_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPBootingClientsWithoutPxe
[08:22] <nilsrain> thanks.
[08:28] <cberlo> Hi folks.  anyone know of a good way to lock down a gnome desktop for Edubuntu's LTSP?  I want to completely get rid of the Places menu, if possible.
[08:34] <cberlo> Okay, how about restricting creation of launchers?
[08:35] <LaserJock> cberlo: sabayon can be used to lock down gnome
[08:37] <cberlo> LaserJock: Does it work well with LTSP?  I briefly tried it and it didn't appear to work right.  I'm getting all my users from a winbind setup, so I don't see how I'd apply the profiles to a list of remote users.
[08:37] <LaserJock> hmmm
[08:38] <LaserJock> sabayon currently doesn't work well over LTSP because it uses xnest to edit the profiles
[08:38] <LaserJock> I'm not sure about the winbind, that might mess everything up
[08:39] <cberlo> so far, I'm trying to use a "template" user (called template, actually) and I've been presetting what I want the users to get.  winbind is set to copy this template user instead of using /etc/skel to setup the home directory.  Profiles are deleted at logout.
[08:39] <LaserJock> sabayon and pessulus are the only 2 lock down apps for gnome in Ubuntu that I know of
[08:41] <cberlo> Are there any others?  I don't mind compiling stuff, or grabbing it from alien if I have to.
[08:41] <rodarvus> cberlo: no, sabayon and pessulus are the only GNOME applications of their kind
[08:41] <rodarvus> actually, sabayon is a lockdown application
[08:41] <rodarvus> pessulus is just a gconf-based lock down editor
[08:42] <rodarvus> so, not near as powerful as sabayon
[08:42] <LaserJock> I suppose there might be commercial/closed-source lockdown apps out there but I don't know of any
[08:42] <rodarvus> there are none for GNOME, I'm afraid
[08:42] <cberlo> rodarvus: can I get sabayon to work with my "template" user, and apply the lockdowns to everyone that template is copied to?
[08:43] <rodarvus> cberlo: very likely, yes
[08:43] <rodarvus> you'd just need to get around the Xnest limitation
[08:43] <cberlo> rodarvus:  Alright, then I guess I'll pursue that a bit.  I can run X directly on the server to get the Xnest part up.  I don't think that'll be a major issue.
[08:43] <rodarvus> *nods*
[08:44] <cberlo> If Xnest is required for it to work at the client side, then there's a bit of an issue...
[08:44] <rodarvus> some manual work will be needed but it might work, indeed
[08:44] <LaserJock> cberlo: Xnest is only used to edit the sabayon profiles
[08:44] <rodarvus> Xnest is needed only during profile creation
[08:44] <cberlo> Alright.  Feature-wise, do you know if I can get rid of the Places menu with sabayon?
[08:44] <rodarvus> yes, you can
[08:45] <rodarvus> you can edit most (but not all) aspects of the desktop using sabayon
[08:45] <LaserJock> as well as some firefox
[08:45] <cberlo> I'd like to know how it deals with the Places menu...  can't seem to find ANYTHING on that...  But I'll play around and see what happens.  Thanks.
[10:25] <ogra> Setting up linux-image-386 (2.6.17.2) ...
[10:25] <ogra> info: LTSP client installation completed successfully
[10:25] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~$ 
[10:25] <cbx33> ogra, I think gisomount is almost there
[10:25] <pygi> congrats ogra ^_^
[10:26] <ogra> :)
[10:26] <ogra> cbx33, yes, i saw it :)
[10:27] <LaserJock> I'm a couple minutes away from advocating it
[10:27] <ogra> if thats done i
[10:27] <ogra> ll take a look
[10:27] <ogra> and upload right away if its ok :)
[10:27] <cbx33> :D
[10:27] <ogra> this damned keyboard has the apostrope at a weird place :/
[10:29] <LaserJock> done
[10:30] <cbx33> good to go>?
[10:30] <LaserJock> yes, it is advocated ;-)
[10:30] <cbx33> :D:D:D
[10:30] <cbx33> thank you sooo much for all the support LaserJock 
[10:30] <cbx33> ogra, :D
[10:31] <cbx33> it is done
[10:32] <cbx33> I have to pop out now
[10:32] <cbx33> I'll be back in a while I hope
[10:32] <cbx33> :D
[10:32] <cbx33> thanks everyone so much
[10:33] <LaserJock> hehe, np cbx33 
[10:34] <ogra> hmm
[10:34] <LaserJock> a problem?
[10:34] <ogra> sorry to be a nitpicker, could you s/Build-Depends/Build-Depends-Indep/ ?
[10:35] <cbx33> ogra, yes I can do that
[10:35] <LaserJock> yeah, I wondered about that one
[10:35] <cbx33> but I've just shut everything down, my wife wants to pop out
[10:35] <LaserJock> I haven't really seen that before
[10:35] <ogra> yep
[10:35] <cbx33> I'll do it as soon as I get back and upload to REVU
[10:35] <cbx33> brb soon
[10:35] <cbx33> sorry guys
[10:36] <crimsun> erm
[10:37] <ogra> ?
[10:37] <LaserJock> ack, what now?
[10:37] <crimsun> /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/gisomount shouldn't be hardcoded if the new python method is used.
[10:37] <LaserJock> I think it is
[10:37] <LaserJock> or at least that was my understanding of the policy
[10:37] <LaserJock> I could be totally wrong though, I'm pretty confused still
[10:38] <crimsun> the whole point is to avoid having to use version-specific site-packages
[10:38] <LaserJock> pycentral intercepts the files and builds them for each py-version
[10:39] <LaserJock> so if you look at the .deb they actually install to pycentral
[10:39] <crimsun> which is why a version-specific site-package is a bad thing
[10:39] <LaserJock> hmmm
[10:40] <LaserJock> I'm not seeing the problem but perhaps I just need to read the policy over again, again :-)
[10:42] <LaserJock> I guess the preferred place would be /usr/share/gisomount ? according to 3.1.1
[10:43] <LaserJock> although it looks to me like the point of python-central is that you can install modules like normal and python-central will take care of it
[10:44] <crimsun> yes -> /usr/share/gisomount
[10:45] <LaserJock> hmm, I wonder how that works
[10:47] <LaserJock>  /usr/share/gisomount wouldn't be in Python's path so does python-central then look for .py in /usr/share/gisomount and compile/install to site-packages?
[10:47] <crimsun> /usr/share/gisomount is only relevant if there are private modules
[10:47] <crimsun> (are there?)
[10:48] <LaserJock> yeah, there is one .py module
[10:48] <LaserJock> config.py
[10:49] <LaserJock> hmm, I don't get the difference between python-support and python-central
[10:50] <LaserJock> I guess with python-support you install to a specific dir whereas with python-central you can install as you would before
[10:53] <LaserJock> crimsun: are you as confused as I am or am I an idiot? :-)
[11:17] <cbx33> arrghgh
[11:17] <cbx33> my package sux
[11:17] <pygi> cbx33, !!!?
[11:17] <cbx33> hehe
[11:17] <cbx33> more things to sort out on revu
[11:17] <cbx33> which I can;t do now
[11:17] <cbx33> cos I'm not near my pc
[11:18] <LaserJock> lol, did you see the backlog?
[11:18] <cbx33> yes i saw the backlog
[11:18] <cbx33> :(
[11:18] <cbx33> it'll be monday before it gets in now
[11:18] <cbx33> grrrrrr
[11:19] <LaserJock> cbx33: don't worry, you are like this ---| |--- close
[11:19] <LaserJock> :-)
[11:19] <cbx33> I know
[11:19] <cbx33> I'll be able to fix those issues when i get back in about 30 mins to an hour
[11:19] <LaserJock> although I don't know if the build rule can really be removed
[11:20] <cbx33> no me neither
[11:20] <cbx33> can you confirm that?
[11:21] <cbx33> and should I move the stuff from binary arch to indep?
[11:21] <cbx33> I know I still have to change that file ogra mentioned too
[11:21] <LaserJock> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-debianrules
[11:21] <LaserJock> yeah move stuff to indep
[11:22] <crimsun> you're fine w/ pycentral
[11:22] <cbx33> without ?
[11:22] <crimsun> RE: jordan's discussion 
[11:22] <cbx33> oh the build rule?
[11:22] <crimsun> (we were discussing the semantics for your package, cbx33)
[11:22] <LaserJock> do you think pysupport would be a better way to go? it seemed to me that pycentral was more for legacy support
[11:23] <cbx33> ahh...who was it
[11:23] <crimsun> it's up to cbx33 
[11:23] <cbx33> slomo I think recommended pycentral
[11:23] <LaserJock> k
[11:23] <crimsun> if he wants to use pycentral, then that's his bag o' chili
[11:23] <cbx33> so I just used it and it seemed to work ok
[11:23] <cbx33> crimsun: I don;t want to start down a bad path
[11:23] <crimsun> neither are bad
[11:24] <LaserJock> sure
[11:24] <cbx33> ok cool
[11:24] <cbx33> right I'm off again
[11:25] <cbx33> back alter
[11:25] <cbx33> later
[12:06] <cbx33> ok
[12:06] <cbx33> I'm back
[12:07] <cbx33> about the icons being used from gnome
[12:07] <cbx33> what do I say in the coypright
[12:07] <cbx33> LaserJock, shoud I get rid of binary-arch
[12:08] <cbx33> in the rules file?
[12:11] <LaserJock> cbx33: don't get rid of it, just use the # nothing to do here comment
[12:11] <LaserJock> cbx33: look up the copyright of the icons
[12:11] <cbx33> ok
[12:12] <cbx33> binary-arch: build install 
[12:12] <cbx33> should become 
[12:12] <cbx33> just binary-arch with the comment after it right?
[12:12] <LaserJock> yeah
[12:12] <cbx33> or do i need to keep the build install ?