Riddell | jdong! | 12:55 |
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abattoir | Riddell: free? | 12:55 |
Riddell | abattoir: sure | 12:55 |
abattoir | Riddell: i have some doubts... | 12:56 |
Riddell | what about? | 12:56 |
abattoir | for ubiquity, you split the UI into two files, liveinstaller and kde-ui | 12:56 |
Riddell | yes | 12:56 |
abattoir | liveinstaller seems to be the file converted from the UI | 12:56 |
abattoir | while kde-ui is invoked by wizard.py | 12:56 |
Riddell | liveinstaller.ui is the designer file | 12:57 |
abattoir | and creates an instance of the class from liveinstaller | 12:57 |
Riddell | and liveinstaller.py is the file automatically generated from it | 12:57 |
Riddell | yep | 12:57 |
abattoir | sorry, should have been more clear, i meant liveinstaller.py | 12:57 |
abattoir | Riddell: just wondering, how did you test ubiquity... | 12:57 |
abattoir | i mean, w/o installing it | 12:57 |
Riddell | from a live CD | 12:57 |
abattoir | Riddell: ugh, i need to explain myself better | 12:58 |
Riddell | I have a minimac that I used for the installs | 12:58 |
Riddell | which doesn't have anything important on the hard disk | 12:58 |
abattoir | Riddell: i mean, while coding... didnt you run the ui, for eg. to see if the signals/slots worked? | 12:58 |
Riddell | sure | 12:58 |
abattoir | Riddell: ok, i'm again being vague... | 12:58 |
abattoir | when you were testing the kde-ui.... | 12:59 |
Riddell | liveinstaller.py is made from liveinstaller.ui | 12:59 |
Riddell | with kdepyuic | 12:59 |
abattoir | Riddell: yup, i got that | 12:59 |
abattoir | but doesnt kde-ui control, the order of steps, change in pages etc...? | 12:59 |
abattoir | change in pages, in the widget stack | 12:59 |
Riddell | it does yes | 12:59 |
abattoir | how did you test it? to see if it was working properly? while coding? | 01:00 |
Riddell | by running it | 01:00 |
abattoir | Riddell: that would create two KApplications right? | 01:00 |
Riddell | no, there's only one, in kde-ui.py | 01:01 |
abattoir | Riddell: i guess you added 'if __name__=="__main__":' in the kde-ui.py file... | 01:01 |
abattoir | and then executed it... am i right? | 01:01 |
Riddell | ubiquity is run from a file called "installer" if I remember rightly. it gets renamed to "ubiquity" in when the package is made | 01:02 |
Riddell | yes, I do remember right | 01:03 |
Riddell | so ./installer kde-ui to test | 01:03 |
Riddell | and installer loads kde-ui.py which loads liveinstaller.py and make the KApplication and voila | 01:03 |
abattoir | Riddell: ok, so you didnt directly load kde-ui.py... | 01:04 |
Riddell | no | 01:04 |
abattoir | Riddell: ok, thanks :) | 01:04 |
abattoir | Riddell: sorry for being a bit vague... | 01:04 |
abattoir | also, do you have a clue about how to make qlabels selectable? | 01:05 |
Riddell | so you can copy the text from them? | 01:05 |
abattoir | i couldnt seem to find anything on those... yes, right | 01:05 |
Riddell | are you using qt3 or 4? | 01:05 |
abattoir | 3.3 | 01:05 |
Riddell | hmm, good question | 01:06 |
abattoir | Riddell: because Kamion has made a note in gtk-ui.py about a bug in ubiquity | 01:07 |
abattoir | # We generally want labels to be selectable so that people can | 01:07 |
abattoir | # easily report problems in them | 01:07 |
abattoir | # (https://launchpad.net/bugs/41618), but GTK+ likes to put | 01:07 |
abattoir | # selectable labels in the focus chain, and I can't seem to turn | 01:07 |
abattoir | # this off in glade and have it stick. Accordingly, make sure | 01:07 |
abattoir | # labels are unfocusable here. | 01:07 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 41618 in ubiquity "Installer dialogue boxes have no cut and paste" [Medium,Fix released] | 01:07 |
abattoir | sorry for the flood | 01:07 |
abattoir | :P | 01:08 |
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Riddell | abattoir: I think the way to do it is to have a lineedit that has readonly set to True and frameShape set to NoFrame | 01:11 |
abattoir | Riddell: oh ok... its funny because i see lots of KDE apps which have that, but then i cant find anything in qt docs | 01:12 |
abattoir | Konv ^^^^^ for eg. :P | 01:12 |
abattoir | the title is selectable | 01:12 |
abattoir | ugh, i mean the topic, channel topic | 01:13 |
Riddell | so all we need to do it grab the konversation source and find out :) | 01:13 |
abattoir | Riddell: lol, i'll look into it and get back to you... | 01:14 |
abattoir | Riddell: there must be an example somewhere online | 01:14 |
abattoir | thanks again :) | 01:14 |
Riddell | abattoir: #kde-devel points me to http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/3.5-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKActiveLabel.html | 01:15 |
abattoir | Riddell: excellent, thanks a lot :) | 01:16 |
Riddell | which is indeed what konversation uses | 01:17 |
abattoir | ok, i'll ask Kamion where it is needed specifically (if not everywhere), and then put it in. | 01:18 |
abattoir | btw, when is Knot 1 expected :P ? | 01:19 |
Riddell | yesterday :) | 01:20 |
abattoir | Riddell: oh i saw the date, but no announcement, thought it was delayed... i'll check again... | 01:20 |
abattoir | bye | 01:20 |
Riddell | it's the first once, nobody's even tested if the installer works yet | 01:21 |
Riddell | I'll be surprised if it's out this week | 01:21 |
abattoir | Riddell: oh ok, then i guess its better to install dapper and then upgrade it to edgy :) | 01:21 |
Riddell | yes | 01:22 |
Riddell | and hope | 01:22 |
abattoir | lol :D | 01:22 |
nixternal | Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuMarketing I will be doing a "Chicago Days" within the next couple of months, and I am planning on information handouts inside of each CD pack, as well as demos and what not. I will be creating some Kubuntu specific marketing stuff if you are interested | 01:26 |
nixternal | i am the team lead for Ubuntu Chicago...so i can do the Kubuntu stuff in there, as I am the Kubuntu guy also on the team..if you need help with that spec..let me know | 01:27 |
nixternal | i appologize for posting that in here...as after the fact i realized i should have probably emailed you on it..sorry ;) | 01:27 |
Riddell | I'm better at irc than e-mail | 01:29 |
Riddell | nixternal: sounds cool | 01:29 |
nixternal | hehe..cool | 01:29 |
Riddell | the spec was mostly informational | 01:29 |
nixternal | i will link you to documentation and what not that i create | 01:29 |
Riddell | talks to kwwii too, see what he already has | 01:30 |
nixternal | well..i am working with the Ubuntu Marketing team as well, so I can always get Kubuntu in there so it isn't all one sided as well | 01:30 |
nixternal | i can do that...kwwii, it is thursday night, boat races at the lake, you know where i will be ;) | 01:30 |
kwwii | hehe | 01:31 |
kwwii | actually, the kubuntu team put together text for a flyer already...you might be interested in looking at that | 01:32 |
nixternal | that i would | 01:32 |
kwwii | also, I could help with any graphics needed | 01:33 |
nixternal | oooh..you know you just messed up ;) | 01:33 |
kwwii | :-) | 01:33 |
nixternal | i will keep that away from jenda at the marketing team, otherwise you will never hear the end of it | 01:33 |
kwwii | hehe, jenda was in the artwork channel earlier, asking for help :p | 01:34 |
nixternal | lol...figures | 01:34 |
nixternal | #ubuntu-artwork right? | 01:34 |
kwwii | yepp | 01:34 |
toma | Riddell: the translators are not very friendly, not sure if my wiki idea is still a good plan. | 01:36 |
Riddell | I am getting especially negative vibes from Jannick Kuhr | 01:37 |
toma | yes, he was very unfriendly | 01:39 |
Riddell | "Are there any open source projects which ask you to create an account and login to see source codes?" that's an interesting question | 01:39 |
toma | yes, i though about that one as well | 01:39 |
toma | could not think of any to be honest | 01:39 |
Riddell | totally invalid of course, you can download the language pack source, and launchpad does need a login for a reason | 01:40 |
toma | ah, true | 01:40 |
toma | yannick has mail | 01:50 |
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Hobbsee | morning all | 03:42 |
freeflying|away | Hobbsee: morning | 03:49 |
Hobbsee | hey freeflying|away | 03:49 |
Hobbsee | gah. they updated kid3 again. | 03:50 |
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DaSkreech | Hi All | 04:00 |
Hobbsee | hi DaSkreech | 04:04 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon_: ping? | 04:04 |
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Hobbsee | Riddell: bad news about kopete. http://librarian.launchpad.net/3396140/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.kopete_4%3A3.5.3%2Bkopete0.12.0-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 04:34 |
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DaSkreech | Hi Hobbsee | 04:35 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon_: unping | 04:35 |
DaSkreech | ha ha :) | 04:35 |
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jdong | Riddell: needed something? | 05:43 |
Hobbsee | jdong: bit early for Riddell yet. | 05:44 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: it's not even 5am there yet | 05:44 |
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Hobbsee | i think i'll have working msn webcam support too. | 06:04 |
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Hobbsee | nixternal: ping? | 06:13 |
nixternal | hmm..gotta get that fixed..my doorbell is broke | 06:13 |
nixternal | how can i help you? | 06:13 |
nixternal | hehe | 06:13 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 06:13 |
Hobbsee | nixternal: have you modified your keyboard shortcuts at all? | 06:14 |
nixternal | it blinks, but it doesn't ding-dong like it should | 06:14 |
nixternal | i think so | 06:14 |
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Hobbsee | nixternal: ah okay. what's your alt+space assigned to? | 06:14 |
nixternal | oh ya i have..my volume keys work..awesome!!! | 06:14 |
nixternal | katapult | 06:14 |
Hobbsee | 40MB of ram free - heh. out of 1gb | 06:14 |
nixternal | that is good stuff | 06:14 |
Hobbsee | nixternal: yeah, right, thought it might be. grumble grumble. | 06:14 |
nixternal | hehe | 06:15 |
nixternal | you know what...you can't bind just the win key w/o some hacking can you? | 06:15 |
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Hobbsee | nixternal: lure's going to | 06:15 |
nixternal | ergood..i can't wait for that | 06:15 |
nixternal | ergood? | 06:15 |
nixternal | ok, whatever that means... | 06:16 |
Hobbsee | well, i listed the shortcut, and he was addign them all in. | 06:16 |
nixternal | i miss my winkey | 06:16 |
nixternal | win key | 06:16 |
Hobbsee | yeah, same. it's kinda useful | 06:16 |
nixternal | you can bind it with another key, but not on it's own | 06:16 |
nixternal | for me, win+e opens konqi, and win+r is the same as alt+f2 | 06:16 |
Hobbsee | excellent, i dont think kopete will ftbfs this time. yet the same package works in dapper. weird. | 06:16 |
nixternal | you try out vid cam with kopete at all yet? | 06:17 |
Hobbsee | nixternal: only trying to view someone else's msn - doesnt work | 06:17 |
nixternal | someone asked me to get a cam so i can vid conference with them..i can't remember who..maybe my x.. | 06:17 |
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nixternal | great..and she uses msn | 06:17 |
Hobbsee | nixternal: which protocol? | 06:17 |
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nixternal | she also uses skype | 06:18 |
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nixternal | i had a sweet logitech, but i have no clue where it ended up at | 06:18 |
nixternal | skype is awesome Hobbsee | 06:18 |
nixternal | free phone calls, and it is chat..but it isn't OSS or Free | 06:19 |
Hobbsee | true | 06:19 |
nixternal | you can get the free as in beer aspect, about ti | 06:19 |
nixternal | it | 06:19 |
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nixternal | lol | 06:19 |
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nixternal | i use the journal and to-do list for everything | 06:19 |
nixternal | and i subscribe to everyones iCal's | 06:19 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon_: hey, can i run a chroot on here, or something? | 06:23 |
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crimsun | 0_o | 06:25 |
crimsun | you learned ssh /after/ pbuilder? | 06:25 |
Hobbsee | hi crimsun, what's up | 06:25 |
Hobbsee | ? | 06:25 |
Hobbsee | crimsun: yeah. | 06:25 |
crimsun | that's impressive. | 06:25 |
Hobbsee | crimsun: well, i am in au, so... | 06:25 |
Hobbsee | crimsun: i never found pbuilder that hard... | 06:25 |
Hobbsee | crimsun: ssh connection to Riddell's machine is very slow - 3-4 sec lag. to imbrandon_'s in the US, it's not so bad - about 1 second lag... | 06:26 |
crimsun | ah | 06:27 |
Hobbsee | so i dont tend to use it that much, unless my pbuilder's borked | 06:27 |
crimsun | you're using screen, I hope? | 06:27 |
Hobbsee | crimsun: er, nope? | 06:27 |
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Lathiat | Hobbsee: what connection are you on? | 06:28 |
crimsun | that's a lifesaver over lagged connections | 06:28 |
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Lathiat | it just starts to get noticable | 06:28 |
Hobbsee | Lathiat: telstra bigpond cable unlimmited (shaped at 10GB) | 06:29 |
Lathiat | hehe unlimited | 06:29 |
Lathiat | hrm wouldnt have thought thatd be anywhere that bda | 06:29 |
Lathiat | as much as telstra sucks :) | 06:29 |
Hobbsee | Lathiat: where are you? | 06:29 |
Lathiat | maybe if you were shaped... | 06:29 |
Lathiat | Hobbsee: perth | 06:29 |
Hobbsee | ah right | 06:29 |
Hobbsee | Lathiat: do tell if you're ever in sydney sometime - you can meet up with some of us crazy devs mabye | 06:30 |
Lathiat | yeh well i'll probably come to lca next | 06:30 |
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Lathiat | you coming? | 06:30 |
Hobbsee | no idea | 06:30 |
Lathiat | its worth it :) | 06:30 |
Lathiat | http://www.linux.conf.au/ | 06:30 |
Hobbsee | Lathiat: i suspect pia will eat me if i dont :P | 06:31 |
Hobbsee | and she knows where my uni is, so that's quite likely. | 06:31 |
Lathiat | haha | 06:31 |
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Hobbsee | Riddell: kopete got fixed, uploaded, and hopefully even has msn webcam support now :) | 07:54 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/kopete/ has the files (except the .orig.tar.gz - due to my patheticly slow upload bandwitdth) | 07:55 |
Hobbsee | hmmm...guess you cant use that for the dapper packages. | 07:55 |
nixternal | xserver-xorg-core??? | 07:58 |
nixternal | i don't feel safe with that one | 07:58 |
Hobbsee | nixternal: in dapper? they wouldnt have killed it | 08:01 |
nixternal | it just popped up as an update | 08:01 |
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nixternal | you already installed it? | 08:02 |
nixternal | see, this is with an ATI card..and lord knows what happens with those | 08:02 |
Hobbsee | yeah | 08:03 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 08:03 |
RichJ | interesting | 08:03 |
RichJ | it seems to highlight nixternal, but not me | 08:04 |
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nixternal | ya it broke it | 08:11 |
Hobbsee | oh good | 08:12 |
Hobbsee | how? | 08:12 |
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kwwii | oh, this will work well on all my macs | 08:21 |
kwwii | now I am afraid to update :p | 08:21 |
Hobbsee | hi kwwii | 08:22 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 08:22 |
kwwii | moin Hobbsee | 08:22 |
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kwwii | it is too early for me to think about work yet :-) | 08:23 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 08:24 |
Hobbsee | @time sydney | 08:24 |
Ubug2 | Current time in Australia/Sydney: July 14 2006, 16:24:09 | 08:24 |
kwwii | @time munich | 08:24 |
kwwii | hehe | 08:24 |
kwwii | @time berlin | 08:25 |
Ubug2 | Current time in Europe/Berlin: July 14 2006, 08:25:04 | 08:25 |
Hobbsee | ah yeah, fun | 08:25 |
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Hobbsee | hehe | 08:30 |
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freeflying|away | Tonio_: ping | 08:30 |
Tonio_ | freeflying|away: pong ? | 08:32 |
freeflying|away | Tonio_: will upgrade ktranslator | 08:32 |
Tonio_ | freeflying: your gonna do it ? good :) | 08:34 |
Hobbsee | hi Tonio_ | 08:34 |
freeflying | Tonio_: haven't yet, heh | 08:35 |
Hobbsee | get going freeflying - make sure you update your pbuilder first | 08:35 |
Hobbsee | if you get hit with the autoconf bug, Riddell has patches to fix it | 08:36 |
freeflying | Hobbsee: you mean ktranslator? I'm not using pbuilder now, just upgrade my notebook to edgy | 08:37 |
Hobbsee | yeah | 08:37 |
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\sh | Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent/+bug/45791 should be fixed in edgy, right? | 11:24 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 45791 in ktorrent "KTorrent doesn't install its Language-Files" [Medium,Unconfirmed] | 11:24 |
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Riddell | \sh: did you do something to change it? | 12:35 |
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\sh | Riddell: the translations should be in the kde langpacks from rosetta...so I hope that they are installed by default | 12:56 |
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pygi | imbrandon, poke | 01:33 |
imbrandon | ouch | 01:35 |
imbrandon | ;) | 01:35 |
imbrandon | sup ? | 01:35 |
pygi | imbrandon, I found iBook (the lower edition) | 01:36 |
pygi | sec | 01:36 |
imbrandon | k | 01:36 |
pygi | http://www.kupiprodaj.net/index.php?a=2&b=33881 | 01:36 |
pygi | 800Euro | 01:36 |
imbrandon | ahh very nice, looks like a good deal, might wanna add a bit o ram | 01:37 |
imbrandon | but other than that looks good | 01:37 |
pygi | Apple uses usual RAM modules? | 01:37 |
imbrandon | yea normal notebook DDR | 01:37 |
imbrandon | you can get it on crucial.com | 01:37 |
pygi | imbrandon, interesting ^_^ It's even unused | 01:39 |
kwwii | wassup with the "+" ? | 01:39 |
pygi | with guarantee | 01:39 |
pygi | kwwii, ? :) | 01:39 |
imbrandon | kwwii, + ? | 01:39 |
kwwii | :-) | 01:39 |
kwwii | + :-) | 01:40 |
imbrandon | heh | 01:40 |
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pygi | imbrandon, mind to tell me what's he talking about ? :) | 01:41 |
pygi | imbrandon, otherwise it seems nice, just it's not the same as yours !!! :P | 01:42 |
=== imbrandon hugs his iBook ;) yea that one is nice too and should work greatr | ||
imbrandon | great* | 01:43 |
imbrandon | brb breakfast time | 01:43 |
=== verwilst doesn't hug his macbook or he'll burn himself | ||
verwilst | macbook uses DDR2 i think eh | 01:43 |
imbrandon | yea the older iBooks like that one just use plain DDR though ;) | 01:44 |
kwwii | and be carefull not to simply buy the cheapest | 01:44 |
verwilst | pygi: for 300 eur. more you have a new macbook :p | 01:44 |
kwwii | I have seen macs which refuse certain modules | 01:44 |
pygi | verwilst, in which state? :P | 01:44 |
verwilst | what do you mean? | 01:44 |
verwilst | i looove minee | 01:44 |
verwilst | mine | 01:44 |
pygi | well, in Croatia simple iBook is 1900Euro | 01:45 |
verwilst | except that it gets pretty hot, but nothin a cooling pad can solve | 01:45 |
verwilst | state? | 01:45 |
verwilst | i'm not an american :p | 01:45 |
pygi | verwilst, ok, country :P | 01:45 |
fre1 | what is the point of bying mac hardware to run linux ? | 01:45 |
verwilst | pygi: belgium | 01:45 |
pygi | fre1, Mac's better :) | 01:45 |
verwilst | non-apple laptops are ugly | 01:45 |
pygi | verwilst, buy me one, I send you money, you send it here :) | 01:46 |
rob | with osx you have to keep paying to get cool things, with foss its free :) | 01:46 |
verwilst | pygi: you send me the money, i buy one and send it to you | 01:46 |
imbrandon | fre1, becosue ppc's run so smooth and the notbooks "look good" ;) | 01:46 |
Tonio_ | hey girls | 01:46 |
verwilst | i am trustworthy, but it's a big risk ofcourse | 01:46 |
verwilst | Tonio_: waddup chick | 01:46 |
verwilst | :p | 01:46 |
fre1 | ok :) me i go for cheap/fast/reliable but not look :) | 01:47 |
pygi | verwilst, or rather, I come to Belgium :P | 01:47 |
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imbrandon | cheap != fast/reliable ;) | 01:47 |
verwilst | 1100 eur for a macbook 13" isn't too much | 01:47 |
imbrandon | that and my iBook can run on battery for hours when my dell lappy is measured in minutes ;) | 01:48 |
imbrandon | doing the same things with the same os and basicly the same spped proc etc | 01:49 |
imbrandon | s/spped/speed/g | 01:49 |
pygi | imbrandon, also found this: http://www.kupiprodaj.net/index.php?a=2&b=32297 | 01:49 |
pygi | verwilst, it isn't, but I have to pay for trip to Belgium as well =P | 01:49 |
verwilst | pygi: i'm willing to send it to you :) | 01:49 |
pygi | verwilst, right, right :P | 01:50 |
verwilst | but i wouldn't do it too if i were in your place | 01:50 |
verwilst | can't you just order through the apple store online? | 01:51 |
imbrandon | not an ibook only macbook | 01:51 |
verwilst | that's what we're talking about, macbooks ;) | 01:52 |
imbrandon | verwilst, no me and pygi were talking ibooks ;) | 01:52 |
rob | Riddell, package just finished uploading to revu | 01:52 |
verwilst | your conversation has been obsoleted ;) | 01:52 |
pygi | imbrandon, right, but I was talking with verwilst about macbook :) | 01:52 |
imbrandon | hhe okie, anyhow food time | 01:53 |
pygi | bon appetit | 01:53 |
imbrandon | btw moins rob | 01:53 |
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pygi | verwilst, link? :P | 01:53 |
rob | hi imbrandon | 01:53 |
verwilst | http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?family=MacBook | 01:54 |
rob | mac hardware is nice, but I'd only buy it for my wife (except laptops) | 01:54 |
verwilst | pygi: what's your tld? | 01:54 |
pygi | verwilst, .hr | 01:55 |
verwilst | http://www.apple.hr/scr/apple/hardware/macbook/macbook.html | 01:55 |
verwilst | and here a buy now link? | 01:55 |
verwilst | can't read it :) | 01:55 |
pygi | verwilst, lemme look then | 01:56 |
pygi | verwilst, o yes, forgot you have to add a lot to the price | 01:59 |
pygi | taxes and stuff | 01:59 |
verwilst | also when it's in the same country? | 02:00 |
verwilst | here it's 1100 eur, taxes included | 02:00 |
pygi | 9.479,00 kn | 02:00 |
pygi | http://store.apple.hr/IMC-Apple-Store/WebObjects/Asto.woa/1/wo/0raARJVyEt0bm3X0oIOIEw/2.7.1.6.0.0.1.0.1.0.1.7.1.0.1.1.0.1.1.1.0.1.7.1.3.1 | 02:01 |
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pygi | that would be..1361 eur, verwilst | 02:01 |
pygi | doesnt this Mac has rechargable battery??? | 02:02 |
pygi | I don't even get a power cable? | 02:02 |
verwilst | yes you do :p | 02:03 |
abattoir__ | pygi: of course you do, :P i think those are extra :P | 02:03 |
pygi | verwilst, oh, lucky me :P | 02:03 |
verwilst | the power cable and battery are seperate | 02:03 |
verwilst | they cost 3500 eur | 02:03 |
verwilst | hehe | 02:03 |
pygi | ergh !!! | 02:04 |
pygi | battery is 200eur | 02:04 |
verwilst | there is a battery included eh :p | 02:04 |
pygi | power cable is 100eur | 02:04 |
verwilst | and a cable too :p | 02:04 |
verwilst | power cable is 80 eur here | 02:04 |
pygi | yes, yes, I know =P | 02:04 |
pygi | imbrandon, new iBook is like 25 eur cheaper then the Macbook | 02:08 |
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Hobbsee | hi all | 02:44 |
kwwii | for some reason, everything everyone says to me, in all channels is proceeded by a + | 02:44 |
rob | hehe | 02:48 |
rob | some script? | 02:48 |
Riddell | kwwii: like this? | 02:49 |
kwwii | Riddell: actually, everything everyone says | 02:50 |
kwwii | and /me looks funny too | 02:51 |
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kwwii | but everything I say, comes out right | 02:51 |
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Riddell | kwwii: using which irc app? | 02:51 |
kwwii | it is the gaim lib | 02:52 |
kwwii | one second, I will try something else | 02:52 |
Hobbsee | gaim's dodgy for irc. ditto kopete | 02:53 |
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Hobbsee | hi Riddell, kwwii | 02:54 |
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kwwii | ok, someone say something :p | 02:56 |
Hobbsee | hi kwwii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 02:57 |
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Riddell | something | 02:58 |
kwwii | damn | 02:58 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 02:58 |
abattoir | +hello kwwii :P | 02:58 |
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kwwii | "+" | 02:58 |
kwwii | is what I saw | 02:58 |
rob | your getting almost the raw output | 02:58 |
abattoir | kwwii: using adium? | 02:59 |
rob | your client isn't formatting it properly; | 02:59 |
kwwii | yeah, looks like it | 02:59 |
kwwii | it is not the client I think, but my bouncer | 02:59 |
kwwii | which is a bsd machine sitting in a uni server room 6 hours away and forgotten since a friend left college 6 years ago | 03:00 |
kwwii | guess I can't call anyone to fix it :p | 03:00 |
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Hobbsee | Riddell: did you see my earlier thing, that i uploaded kopete to edgy with some changes? | 03:03 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: I didn't, how did you manage that? | 03:03 |
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Hobbsee | Riddell: asked someone to upload it for me :) | 03:03 |
Riddell | edgy i386 Successfully built groovy | 03:04 |
Hobbsee | yay! | 03:04 |
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Hobbsee | Riddell: what about the other architectures? not yet built? | 03:04 |
Riddell | Added build-dep libglib2.0-dev, evil | 03:04 |
Riddell | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/kopete/4:3.5.3+kopete0.12.0-0ubuntu3 | 03:04 |
Riddell | amd64 build, powerpc not yet built | 03:04 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: how's that evil? | 03:05 |
Riddell | well glib, it's like gnome and stuff | 03:05 |
Riddell | but if that's what it takes, fair enough | 03:05 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: well, it's evil anyway, in that it should be used for msn webcam support | 03:05 |
Riddell | good point :) | 03:05 |
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Hobbsee | Riddell: i suspect wi | 03:07 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: i suspect we'll end up having libs from all over the place, just to get the protocols supported properly | 03:07 |
Riddell | seems to be the case | 03:08 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: because at the end of the day, $user will care more about having proper webcam support on all protocols, than having a few gnome-ish libs installed on their kde system. | 03:08 |
Hobbsee | most people arent that picky | 03:08 |
Riddell | of course | 03:10 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: mind you, i have seen a couple of users have dual boot ubuntu/kubuntu, so they have only gnome stuff on one system, and only kde stuff on the other. | 03:11 |
Riddell | now that really is madness | 03:13 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 03:14 |
Hobbsee | i know! i couldnt believe it | 03:14 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: mind you, i also find it hard to believe when someone goes and comments out every line in their sources list, and then wonders why nothing will install. | 03:14 |
abattoir | Hobbsee: didnt you patch kopete(w/ the fix for the ICQ bug)? was it for dapper or edgy? | 03:18 |
Hobbsee | abattoir: edgy. Riddell never rebuilt those dapper debs. although if he's going to, he probably doesnt need to add the autoconf1.9 | 03:18 |
abattoir | Hobbsee: aah, ok, someone @ #kubuntu was asking for something similar... thanks | 03:19 |
Hobbsee | abattoir: give me a sec | 03:19 |
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abattoir | nvm, 0.12.1 is out, so better to package that | 03:19 |
Riddell | it is? | 03:20 |
abattoir | http://kopete.kde.org/releases.php | 03:20 |
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Hobbsee | abattoir: seen the changelog, at all? | 03:20 |
abattoir | >>Kopete 0.12.1 has been released. This release has a fix for the ICQ protocol change. Plenty of other fixes abound in this release as well.<< | 03:21 |
abattoir | Hobbsee: i'll check for a detailed one | 03:21 |
Hobbsee | abattoir: cool, thanks :) | 03:21 |
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Hobbsee | Riddell: if i found a patch for an issue in kde svn, then the new version gets released, does that mean that the new version must contain the fix? | 03:31 |
abattoir | Hobbsee: i guess its http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17990 | 03:33 |
Hobbsee | abattoir: thanks :) | 03:34 |
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Riddell | Hobbsee: yes | 03:35 |
Hobbsee | cool | 03:35 |
Riddell | but it'l need an UVF exception | 03:35 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: it's not in main | 03:36 |
Riddell | kopete is | 03:36 |
Riddell | thought that was what you were talking about | 03:36 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: grr. someone uploaded it to main while i wasnt looking. | 03:37 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: when i looked a couple of days ago, it was still universe. | 03:37 |
Hobbsee | why'd they do that? | 03:37 |
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Riddell | kopete's always been in main | 03:40 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: not when it first got accepted - kopete-3.5.3+kopete-0.12.0 was in universe. | 03:41 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: which was how i got the last upload done, incidently. | 03:41 |
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Hobbsee | in fact, scrap half, that's really what i'd like to happen, then bump it up to main again after uni freeze. | 03:42 |
Riddell | that's kindae cheeting :) | 03:43 |
=== Hobbsee can imagine the main inclusion reports. still testing more build deps. still testing. including these bits to allow those to work. | ||
Hobbsee | Riddell: not really... | 03:43 |
Hobbsee | ah, right, it's not every single fix, it's just new upstream versions. | 03:49 |
Riddell | oh yes, would be bad if every uploaded needed approved until release | 03:51 |
Hobbsee | heh | 03:51 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: if it were like that, id' be starting to think that it was like the beaurocracy of work - eek! | 03:52 |
Hobbsee | idiotic and annoying work | 03:52 |
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Riddell | 0.12.1 will need approval but if it's only bugfixes it won't be a problem at all | 03:53 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: you want to write the report? | 03:53 |
Riddell | Hobbsee: we need abattoir to get us the changelog first :) | 03:54 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: he got it. stay in the loop :P | 03:54 |
Riddell | oh? where? | 03:54 |
abattoir | Riddell: [19:03:23] <abattoir> Hobbsee: i guess its http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17990 :P | 03:54 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: [23:33] <abattoir> Hobbsee: i guess its http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17990 | 03:55 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 03:55 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: building the new version now | 03:57 |
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Hobbsee | hey imbrandon | 04:15 |
imbrandon | heya Hobbsee | 04:15 |
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imbrandon | kinda had me head in a hole last night working on some cool stuff | 04:16 |
imbrandon | ;) | 04:16 |
imbrandon | Riddell, is everyting new that is gonna come from unstable alread over in edgy or are we still waiting on stuff ? | 04:17 |
imbrandon | !info python2.4-pycurl edgy | 04:18 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon: should all be there, what in particular were you after? | 04:18 |
imbrandon | ^^ that ;) | 04:18 |
imbrandon | actualy 2.3 | 04:18 |
imbrandon | but 2.4 would work | 04:19 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon: this one? http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/python/python2.4-pycurl | 04:19 |
imbrandon | ahhh ;) /me missed it | 04:19 |
imbrandon | yup that one ;) thanks | 04:19 |
Hobbsee | no 2.3 one | 04:19 |
imbrandon | i can just change the debian/control to 2.4 | 04:20 |
imbrandon | it should work the same | 04:20 |
imbrandon | *hopes* | 04:20 |
Hobbsee | heh | 04:20 |
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Hobbsee | dodgy connectoin Riddell_? | 04:27 |
Hobbsee | looks like mine the last couple of days... | 04:27 |
Riddell_ | seem so, except this server is on a very expensive 8MB leased line | 04:27 |
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Riddell_ | silly BT | 04:27 |
imbrandon | heh | 04:28 |
Hobbsee | ouch | 04:29 |
imbrandon | oh man this is a pita | 04:30 |
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pygi | imbrandon, !!! | 05:23 |
Hobbsee | Riddell_: an untested version of kopete is on revu, for edgy. i'm assuming it works, but, like i say, it's untested | 05:30 |
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Riddell_ | keyne: kopete 0.12.1? | 05:31 |
Hobbsee | keyne: ? | 05:31 |
Riddell_ | err | 05:31 |
Riddell_ | Hobbsee: kopete 0.12.1? | 05:32 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 05:32 |
Hobbsee | Riddell_: yes. | 05:32 |
Hobbsee | be gone with the tail! | 05:32 |
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Riddell | still working at the supermarket? | 05:33 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: yeah. | 05:34 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: havent had any other interesting job offers. | 05:34 |
Hobbsee | nor enough sexual harrassment to make me leave. | 05:34 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: we got really annoying slow customers that meant we all left half an hour late - so it meant i had 10 hours between shifts. and parts of work were kinda bad and stressful | 05:35 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: kopete 0.12.1 is installable, the version that's on revu | 05:37 |
Hobbsee | night all | 05:40 |
Hobbsee | s/other// | 05:43 |
Hobbsee | in fact, s/other interesting// | 05:45 |
imbrandon_ | Hobbsee, should apply for _K_ubuntu community manager at canonical ;) | 05:46 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon_: do you know if they ever found a ubuntu one? | 05:48 |
imbrandon | dont think so | 05:48 |
imbrandon | its still posted | 05:48 |
Hobbsee | hmmm.... | 05:48 |
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Hobbsee | i'm guessing it'd be full time - and i'm still studying, so...that'd be a bit hard. | 05:49 |
imbrandon | yea | 05:49 |
imbrandon | one of these moons it will happen ;) | 05:50 |
Hobbsee | yeah, maybe | 05:51 |
imbrandon | Riddell, how long do packages normaly sit in NEW ? | 05:54 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon: it's so nice to be able to look and go "hey, i've seen this section of the release cycle before, when i was doing dev stuff for it last time. cool :) " | 05:55 |
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imbrandon | hahahah exactly | 05:55 |
imbrandon | ;) | 05:55 |
imbrandon | me and you picked up packin about the same day | 05:55 |
imbrandon | i think | 05:55 |
Riddell | imbrandon: varies considerably | 05:56 |
Hobbsee | Riddell: is there any way to get a listing of *all* kde packages on launchpad? like k*? | 05:56 |
Riddell | not really | 05:56 |
imbrandon | Riddell, ahh ok was just wondering cuz apt-mirror is still in the NEW que ;) | 05:56 |
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Hobbsee | gotta love non-restricted email :) | 05:57 |
imbrandon | kubuntu-bugs covers them all dosent it ? | 05:57 |
Hobbsee | anyway, bedtime. | 05:57 |
Hobbsee | really, this time | 05:57 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon: nope | 05:57 |
Riddell | imbrandon: still there https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=apt | 05:57 |
Hobbsee | ubuntu bugs would, i guess | 05:57 |
Hobbsee | imbrandon: but i really dont want *that* much email - most of which would be bug reports i wouldnt have a clue of fixing | 05:57 |
imbrandon | heh | 05:57 |
imbrandon | i just browser all the lp bugs till i find ones i can fix, or fix ones in packages i USE ;) | 05:58 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 05:58 |
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imbrandon | Riddell, hehe yea i knew it was still there, i just dident know how long it would sit there | 05:58 |
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nixternal | pygi: you needed somthing in the -nun? | 06:27 |
pygi | nixternal, wanted to help with "Multimedia" stuff (Instructor), but nobody seems alive =P | 06:27 |
nixternal | ya, that channel isn't hoppin' quite yet...if you are interested, just add yourself to the wiki page | 06:28 |
pygi | nixternal, done | 06:29 |
nixternal | good deal, welcome aboard, and thanks for the help ;) | 06:29 |
pygi | no, thank you :) | 06:30 |
nixternal | hehe | 06:30 |
pygi | I just hope I'll have time that day =P | 06:30 |
pygi | two days* | 06:30 |
nixternal | nice thing, will be that you can probably make the time you want | 06:30 |
nixternal | we will have to see with the other guys first | 06:30 |
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pygi | nixternal, joy ^_^ | 06:31 |
pygi | I could also pick the KDE part of Multimedia if you want, or you people have someone else in mind for that? | 06:31 |
nixternal | KDE would be fine | 06:32 |
nixternal | as that is what i have been doing | 06:32 |
pygi | oh,oki, then I leave it to you :) | 06:32 |
nixternal | no no..you do the kde multimedia, not me..i am just saying, the classes that i am helping with, i am doing the kde side of it | 06:33 |
pygi | ah !!! (I wrote the Gnome, that's why I am asking) | 06:33 |
nixternal | you can instruct really whatever you want..if you want to do both KDE and Gnome go ahead..if you want to do Xubuntu as well feel free ;) | 06:35 |
abattoir | sorry to butt in, what 'classes' are these? :P | 06:36 |
nixternal | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom | 06:36 |
abattoir | the KDE university thing? | 06:36 |
nixternal | put on by the NewUserNetwork | 06:37 |
pygi | nixternal, eh ^_^ | 06:37 |
abattoir | nixternal: thanks :) | 06:37 |
nixternal | no problem | 06:37 |
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abattoir | nixternal: so can i point new users interested in learning to the wiki? | 06:38 |
nixternal | yes sir | 06:39 |
nixternal | please do, that would be awesome of you | 06:39 |
abattoir | nixternal: it'd also be nice if info about it makes it into the #kubuntu topic, i'll request for the addition of a ubotu entry(if there isnt one already). | 06:40 |
nixternal | i was just htinking the same thing | 06:40 |
nixternal | however i don't have the powah ;) | 06:40 |
abattoir | well, we can certainly request, someone like imbrandon, im sure would help :) | 06:41 |
abattoir | !ubotu | 06:41 |
ubotu | I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage | 06:41 |
nixternal | that i shall do | 06:41 |
abattoir | nixternal: >>'The Classroom' is a project which aims to tutor users about Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu through biweekly sessions @ #ubuntu-classroom . For more information visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom<< | 06:49 |
abattoir | that's ok for a factoid entry? | 06:49 |
nixternal | sure..looks awesome!!! | 06:49 |
abattoir | !classroom is <reply> 'The Classroom' is a project which aims to tutor users about Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu through biweekly sessions @ #ubuntu-classroom . For more information visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom | 06:51 |
abattoir | now, to wait for them to approve it ;) | 06:53 |
nixternal | ahhh | 06:53 |
nixternal | ok..they have to approve it first..was wondering why it wasn't working yet ;) | 06:53 |
abattoir | well, imbrandon could help us if he were here :) | 06:53 |
Seveas | !classroom | 06:53 |
ubotu | The Ubuntu Classroom is a project which aims to tutor users about Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu through biweekly sessions in #ubuntu-classroom - For more information visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom | 06:53 |
abattoir | Seveas: thanks a lot :) | 06:53 |
nixternal | Seveas is the mastah | 06:53 |
nixternal | ty Seveas ;) | 06:53 |
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imbrandon | ahh sorry abattoir ;) Seveas got it ;) | 06:56 |
Seveas | Beat ya : | 06:56 |
imbrandon | btw you can type %editors and ping anyone of those names to edit factoids ;) | 06:57 |
imbrandon | hahahah ;) | 06:57 |
Seveas | but *please* use %editors only in pm | 06:57 |
Seveas | otherwise it'll ping them all | 06:57 |
imbrandon | yea so it dont ping the whole room ;) | 06:57 |
imbrandon | Seveas, maybe make %editors pm the person that types it ? unless its like %+editors ? | 06:58 |
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Seveas | yes | 06:59 |
imbrandon | hahah | 06:59 |
Seveas | I'm still working on your last suggestion | 06:59 |
imbrandon | hehehe /me go's back to compiling | 06:59 |
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seaLne | could me removing things from my konq location toolbar so i could put the "main" toolbar on the same line really have caused me to loose ^L and alt+arrowkey navigation? | 07:55 |
Riddell | I don't see how | 07:59 |
Tonio_ | argh !!!!!!!!! | 08:02 |
Tonio_ | that's a HUDGE bug | 08:02 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: is #ubuntu-deve the good place to discuss proftpd issues ? | 08:03 |
Tonio_ | +l | 08:03 |
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Riddell | Tonio_: depends if someone who knows the topic happens to be around | 08:04 |
Riddell | ubuntu-devel list might be better | 08:04 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: I don't know since it is very specific | 08:04 |
Tonio_ | but for a specific usage, the problem is very important... | 08:05 |
Riddell | Tonio_: is it an ubuntu issue? if not going upstream might be better | 08:06 |
Tonio_ | I don't know, but I think so... in fact I'm migrating a server from debian to ubuntu | 08:06 |
Tonio_ | I use proftpd-mysql and it always worked correctly with debian, except that now, with ubuntu, I get this : | 08:06 |
seaLne | weird i have back those key chords after restarting, but annoyingly now location toolbar is full width and won't let me add main to the right of it, ohwell | 08:07 |
Tonio_ | Riddell: | 08:08 |
Tonio_ | tonio@kubuntu:~$ proftpd -l | grep sql | 08:09 |
Tonio_ | mod_sql.c | 08:09 |
Tonio_ | mod_sql_mysql.c | 08:09 |
Tonio_ | mod_quotatab_sql.c | 08:09 |
Tonio_ | tonio@kubuntu:~$ proftpd | 08:09 |
Tonio_ | - Fatal: unknown configuration directive 'SQLBackend' on line 109 of '/etc/proftpd.conf'. | 08:09 |
Tonio_ | tonio@kubuntu:~$ | 08:09 |
Tonio_ | sorry but pastebin fails here.... | 08:09 |
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Tonio_ | that's quite a big issue for people who want to migrate :) the problem is the maintainer is debian DD but the package works on debian.... | 08:09 |
Tonio_ | so I'm quite a bit embarrassed ;) | 08:09 |
seaLne | build-deps broken in ubuntu maybe? | 08:11 |
seaLne | does seem strange | 08:12 |
Tonio_ | seaLne: no that's not an issue with deps.... | 08:15 |
Tonio_ | the module is compiled IN the binary | 08:15 |
Tonio_ | and proftpd -vv claims the module is there | 08:15 |
seaLne | ah ok | 08:15 |
Tonio_ | but the binary doesn't- recognise any sql parameter........; | 08:16 |
Tonio_ | the point is I tested on 3 dapper machines, same result | 08:16 |
Tonio_ | I'm temporary backporting debian's package | 08:16 |
Tonio_ | because I really need to perform this migration correctly :) | 08:16 |
Tonio_ | seaLne: the goodpoint is that merging the current debian package works :) | 08:29 |
Tonio_ | I'l report that on the devel ml th get a backport eventually | 08:29 |
Tonio_ | the dependancies are compatible with dapper actually | 08:29 |
Riddell | someone just made https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuGTKTheme | 08:36 |
abattoir | Riddell: doesnt the gtk-qt engine do the same? | 08:38 |
Riddell | that's what I thought | 08:39 |
Riddell | maybe it's not working for him for some reason | 08:39 |
apachelogger | I think firefox just uses gtk in a very odd way | 08:41 |
apachelogger | because it will look odd | 08:41 |
apachelogger | even did for me | 08:41 |
apachelogger | though this might also be related with a download from mozilla.com | 08:41 |
apachelogger | so precompiled installer | 08:42 |
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Riddell | seaLne: could you bring me 3 kubuntu t-shirts to lugradio live? I've got the go ahead from canonical for them (and more as we need them) | 09:01 |
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pygi | Riddell, poke? :) | 11:34 |
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