[12:55] <Riddell> jdong!
[12:55] <abattoir> Riddell: free?
[12:55] <Riddell> abattoir: sure
[12:56] <abattoir> Riddell: i have some doubts...
[12:56] <Riddell> what about?
[12:56] <abattoir> for ubiquity, you split the UI into two files, liveinstaller and kde-ui
[12:56] <Riddell> yes
[12:56] <abattoir> liveinstaller seems to be the file converted from the UI
[12:56] <abattoir> while kde-ui is invoked by wizard.py
[12:57] <Riddell> liveinstaller.ui is the designer file
[12:57] <abattoir> and creates an instance of the class from liveinstaller
[12:57] <Riddell> and liveinstaller.py is the file automatically generated from it
[12:57] <Riddell> yep
[12:57] <abattoir> sorry, should have been more clear, i meant liveinstaller.py
[12:57] <abattoir> Riddell: just wondering, how did you test ubiquity...
[12:57] <abattoir> i mean, w/o installing it
[12:57] <Riddell> from a live CD
[12:58] <abattoir> Riddell: ugh, i need to explain myself better
[12:58] <Riddell> I have a minimac that I used for the installs
[12:58] <Riddell> which doesn't have anything important on the hard disk
[12:58] <abattoir> Riddell: i mean, while coding... didnt you run the ui, for eg. to see if the signals/slots worked?
[12:58] <Riddell> sure
[12:58] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, i'm again being vague...
[12:59] <abattoir> when you were testing the kde-ui....
[12:59] <Riddell> liveinstaller.py is made from liveinstaller.ui
[12:59] <Riddell> with kdepyuic
[12:59] <abattoir> Riddell: yup, i got that
[12:59] <abattoir> but doesnt kde-ui control, the order of steps, change in pages etc...?
[12:59] <abattoir> change in pages, in the widget stack
[12:59] <Riddell> it does yes
[01:00] <abattoir> how did you test it? to see if it was working properly? while coding?
[01:00] <Riddell> by running it
[01:00] <abattoir> Riddell: that would create two KApplications right?
[01:01] <Riddell> no, there's only one, in kde-ui.py
[01:01] <abattoir> Riddell: i guess you added 'if __name__=="__main__":' in the kde-ui.py file...
[01:01] <abattoir> and then executed it... am i right?
[01:02] <Riddell> ubiquity is run from a file called "installer" if I remember rightly.  it gets renamed to "ubiquity" in when the package is made
[01:03] <Riddell> yes, I do remember right
[01:03] <Riddell> so  ./installer kde-ui  to test
[01:03] <Riddell> and installer loads kde-ui.py which loads liveinstaller.py and make the KApplication and voila
[01:04] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, so you didnt directly load kde-ui.py...
[01:04] <Riddell> no
[01:04] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, thanks :)
[01:04] <abattoir> Riddell: sorry for being a bit vague...
[01:05] <abattoir> also, do you have a clue about how to make qlabels selectable?
[01:05] <Riddell> so you can copy the text from them?
[01:05] <abattoir> i couldnt seem to find anything on those...  yes, right
[01:05] <Riddell> are you using qt3 or 4?
[01:05] <abattoir> 3.3
[01:06] <Riddell> hmm, good question
[01:07] <abattoir> Riddell: because Kamion has made a note in gtk-ui.py about a bug in ubiquity
[01:07] <abattoir>  # We generally want labels to be selectable so that people can
[01:07] <abattoir>             # easily report problems in them
[01:07] <abattoir>             # (https://launchpad.net/bugs/41618), but GTK+ likes to put
[01:07] <abattoir>             # selectable labels in the focus chain, and I can't seem to turn
[01:07] <abattoir>             # this off in glade and have it stick. Accordingly, make sure
[01:07] <abattoir>             # labels are unfocusable here.
[01:07] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41618 in ubiquity "Installer dialogue boxes have no cut and paste" [Medium,Fix released]  
[01:07] <abattoir> sorry for the flood
[01:08] <abattoir> :P
[01:11] <Riddell> abattoir: I think the way to do it is to have a lineedit that has readonly set to True and frameShape set to NoFrame
[01:12] <abattoir> Riddell: oh ok... its funny because i see lots of KDE apps which have that, but then i cant find anything in qt docs
[01:12] <abattoir> Konv ^^^^^ for eg. :P
[01:12] <abattoir> the title is selectable
[01:13] <abattoir> ugh, i mean the topic, channel topic
[01:13] <Riddell> so all we need to do it grab the konversation source and find out :)
[01:14] <abattoir> Riddell: lol, i'll look into it and get back to you...
[01:14] <abattoir> Riddell: there must be an example somewhere online
[01:14] <abattoir> thanks again :)
[01:15] <Riddell> abattoir: #kde-devel points me to http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/3.5-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKActiveLabel.html
[01:16] <abattoir> Riddell: excellent,  thanks a lot :)
[01:17] <Riddell> which is indeed what konversation uses
[01:18] <abattoir> ok, i'll ask Kamion where it is needed specifically (if not everywhere), and then put it in.
[01:19] <abattoir> btw, when is Knot 1 expected :P ?
[01:20] <Riddell> yesterday :)
[01:20] <abattoir> Riddell: oh i saw the date, but no announcement, thought it was delayed... i'll check again...
[01:20] <abattoir> bye
[01:21] <Riddell> it's the first once, nobody's even tested if the installer works yet
[01:21] <Riddell> I'll be surprised if it's out this week
[01:21] <abattoir> Riddell: oh ok, then i guess its better to install dapper and then upgrade it to edgy :)
[01:22] <Riddell> yes
[01:22] <Riddell> and hope
[01:22] <abattoir> lol :D 
[01:26] <nixternal> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuMarketing     I will be doing a "Chicago Days" within the next couple of months, and I am planning on information handouts inside of each CD pack, as well as demos and what not.  I will be creating some Kubuntu specific marketing stuff if you are interested
[01:27] <nixternal> i am the team lead for Ubuntu Chicago...so i can do the Kubuntu stuff in there, as I am the Kubuntu guy also on the team..if you need help with that spec..let me know
[01:27] <nixternal> i appologize for posting that in here...as after the fact i realized i should have probably emailed you on it..sorry ;)
[01:29] <Riddell> I'm better at irc than e-mail
[01:29] <Riddell> nixternal: sounds cool
[01:29] <nixternal> hehe..cool
[01:29] <Riddell> the spec was mostly informational
[01:29] <nixternal> i will link you to documentation and what not that i create
[01:30] <Riddell> talks to kwwii too, see what he already has
[01:30] <nixternal> well..i am working with the Ubuntu Marketing team as well, so I can always get Kubuntu in there so it isn't all one sided as well
[01:30] <nixternal> i can do that...kwwii, it is thursday night, boat races at the lake, you know where i will be ;)
[01:31] <kwwii> hehe
[01:32] <kwwii> actually, the kubuntu team put together text for a flyer already...you might be interested in looking at that
[01:32] <nixternal> that i would
[01:33] <kwwii> also, I could help with any graphics needed
[01:33] <nixternal> oooh..you know you just messed up ;)
[01:33] <kwwii> :-)
[01:33] <nixternal> i will keep that away from jenda at the marketing team, otherwise you will never hear the end of it
[01:34] <kwwii> hehe, jenda was in the artwork channel earlier, asking for help :p
[01:34] <nixternal> lol...figures
[01:34] <nixternal> #ubuntu-artwork right?
[01:34] <kwwii> yepp
[01:36] <toma> Riddell: the translators are not very friendly, not sure if my wiki idea is still a good plan.
[01:37] <Riddell> I am getting especially negative vibes from Jannick Kuhr
[01:39] <toma> yes, he was very unfriendly
[01:39] <Riddell> "Are there any open source projects which ask you to create an account and login to see source codes?"  that's an interesting question
[01:39] <toma> yes, i though about that one as well
[01:39] <toma> could not think of any to be honest
[01:40] <Riddell> totally invalid of course, you can download the language pack source, and launchpad does need a login for a reason
[01:40] <toma> ah, true
[01:50] <toma> yannick has mail
[03:42] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:49] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: morning
[03:49] <Hobbsee> hey freeflying|away 
[03:50] <Hobbsee> gah.  they updated kid3 again.
[04:00] <DaSkreech> Hi All
[04:04] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech 
[04:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: ping?
[04:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: bad news about kopete.  http://librarian.launchpad.net/3396140/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.kopete_4%3A3.5.3%2Bkopete0.12.0-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:35] <DaSkreech> Hi Hobbsee
[04:35] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: unping
[04:35] <DaSkreech> ha ha :)
[05:43] <jdong> Riddell: needed something?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> jdong: bit early for Riddell yet.
[05:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's not even 5am there yet
[06:04] <Hobbsee> i think i'll have working msn webcam support too.
[06:13] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ping?
[06:13] <nixternal> hmm..gotta get that fixed..my doorbell is broke
[06:13] <nixternal> how can i help you?
[06:13] <nixternal> hehe
[06:13] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:14] <Hobbsee> nixternal: have you modified your keyboard shortcuts at all?
[06:14] <nixternal> it blinks, but it doesn't ding-dong like it should
[06:14] <nixternal> i think so
[06:14] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ah okay.  what's your alt+space assigned to?
[06:14] <nixternal> oh ya i have..my volume keys work..awesome!!!
[06:14] <nixternal> katapult
[06:14] <Hobbsee> 40MB of ram free - heh.  out of 1gb
[06:14] <nixternal> that is good stuff
[06:14] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yeah, right, thought it might be.  grumble grumble.
[06:15] <nixternal> hehe
[06:15] <nixternal> you know what...you can't bind just the win key w/o some hacking can you?
[06:15] <Hobbsee> nixternal: lure's going to
[06:15] <nixternal> ergood..i can't wait for that
[06:15] <nixternal> ergood?
[06:16] <nixternal> ok, whatever that means...
[06:16] <Hobbsee> well, i listed the shortcut, and he was addign them all in.
[06:16] <nixternal> i miss my winkey
[06:16] <nixternal> win key
[06:16] <Hobbsee> yeah, same.  it's kinda useful
[06:16] <nixternal> you can bind it with another key, but not on it's own
[06:16] <nixternal> for me, win+e opens konqi, and win+r is the same as alt+f2
[06:16] <Hobbsee> excellent, i dont think kopete will ftbfs this time.  yet the same package works in dapper.  weird.
[06:17] <nixternal> you try out vid cam with kopete at all yet?
[06:17] <Hobbsee> nixternal: only trying to view someone else's msn - doesnt work
[06:17] <nixternal> someone asked me to get a cam so i can vid conference with them..i can't remember who..maybe my x..
[06:17] <nixternal> great..and she uses msn
[06:17] <Hobbsee> nixternal: which protocol?
[06:18] <nixternal> she also uses skype
[06:18] <nixternal> i had a sweet logitech, but i have no clue where it ended up at
[06:18] <nixternal> skype is awesome Hobbsee
[06:19] <nixternal> free phone calls, and it is chat..but it isn't OSS or Free
[06:19] <Hobbsee> true
[06:19] <nixternal> you can get the free as in beer aspect, about ti
[06:19] <nixternal> it
[06:19] <nixternal> lol
[06:19] <nixternal> i use the journal and to-do list for everything
[06:19] <nixternal> and i subscribe to everyones iCal's
[06:23] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: hey, can i run a chroot on here, or something?
[06:25] <crimsun> 0_o
[06:25] <crimsun> you learned ssh /after/ pbuilder?
[06:25] <Hobbsee> hi crimsun, what's up
[06:25] <Hobbsee> ?
[06:25] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yeah.
[06:25] <crimsun> that's impressive.
[06:25] <Hobbsee> crimsun: well, i am in au, so...
[06:25] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i never found pbuilder that hard...
[06:26] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ssh connection to Riddell's machine is very slow - 3-4 sec lag.  to imbrandon_'s in the US, it's not so bad - about 1 second lag...
[06:27] <crimsun> ah
[06:27] <Hobbsee> so i dont tend to use it that much, unless my pbuilder's borked
[06:27] <crimsun> you're using screen, I hope?
[06:27] <Hobbsee> crimsun: er, nope?
[06:28] <Lathiat> Hobbsee: what connection are you on?
[06:28] <crimsun> that's a lifesaver over lagged connections
[06:28] <Lathiat> it just starts to get noticable
[06:29] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: telstra bigpond cable unlimmited (shaped at 10GB)
[06:29] <Lathiat> hehe unlimited
[06:29] <Lathiat> hrm wouldnt have thought thatd be anywhere that bda
[06:29] <Lathiat> as much as telstra sucks :)
[06:29] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: where are you?
[06:29] <Lathiat> maybe if you were shaped...
[06:29] <Lathiat> Hobbsee: perth
[06:29] <Hobbsee> ah right
[06:30] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: do tell if you're ever in sydney sometime - you can meet up with some of us crazy devs mabye
[06:30] <Lathiat> yeh well i'll probably come to lca next
[06:30] <Lathiat> you coming?
[06:30] <Hobbsee> no idea
[06:30] <Lathiat> its worth it :)
[06:30] <Lathiat> http://www.linux.conf.au/
[06:31] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: i suspect pia will eat me if i dont :P
[06:31] <Hobbsee> and she knows where my uni is, so that's quite likely.
[06:31] <Lathiat> haha
[07:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: kopete got fixed, uploaded, and hopefully even has msn webcam support now :)
[07:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/kopete/ has the files (except the .orig.tar.gz - due to my patheticly slow upload bandwitdth)
[07:55] <Hobbsee> hmmm...guess you cant use that for the dapper packages.
[07:58] <nixternal> xserver-xorg-core???
[07:58] <nixternal> i don't feel safe with that one
[08:01] <Hobbsee> nixternal: in dapper?  they wouldnt have killed it
[08:01] <nixternal> it just popped up as an update
[08:02] <nixternal> you already installed it?
[08:02] <nixternal> see, this is with an ATI card..and lord knows what happens with those
[08:03] <Hobbsee> yeah
[08:03] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:03] <RichJ> interesting
[08:04] <RichJ> it seems to highlight nixternal, but not me
[08:11] <nixternal> ya it broke it
[08:12] <Hobbsee> oh good
[08:12] <Hobbsee> how?
[08:21] <kwwii> oh, this will work well on all my macs 
[08:21] <kwwii> now I am afraid to update :p
[08:22] <Hobbsee> hi kwwii 
[08:22] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:22] <kwwii> moin Hobbsee
[08:23] <kwwii> it is too early for me to think about work yet :-)
[08:24] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:24] <Hobbsee> @time sydney
[08:24] <Ubug2> Current time in Australia/Sydney: July 14 2006, 16:24:09
[08:24] <kwwii> @time munich
[08:24] <kwwii> hehe
[08:25] <kwwii> @time berlin
[08:25] <Ubug2> Current time in Europe/Berlin: July 14 2006, 08:25:04
[08:25] <Hobbsee> ah yeah, fun
[08:30] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:30] <freeflying|away> Tonio_: ping
[08:32] <Tonio_> freeflying|away: pong ?
[08:32] <freeflying|away> Tonio_: will upgrade ktranslator
[08:34] <Tonio_> freeflying: your gonna do it ? good :)
[08:34] <Hobbsee> hi Tonio_ 
[08:35] <freeflying> Tonio_: haven't yet, heh
[08:35] <Hobbsee> get going freeflying - make sure you update your pbuilder first 
[08:36] <Hobbsee> if you get hit with the autoconf bug, Riddell has patches to fix it
[08:37] <freeflying> Hobbsee: you mean ktranslator? I'm not using pbuilder now, just upgrade my notebook to edgy 
[08:37] <Hobbsee> yeah
[11:24] <\sh> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ktorrent/+bug/45791 should be fixed in edgy, right?
[11:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45791 in ktorrent "KTorrent doesn't install its Language-Files" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  
[12:35] <Riddell> \sh: did you do something to change it?
[12:56] <\sh> Riddell: the translations should be in the kde langpacks from rosetta...so I hope that they are installed by default 
[01:33] <pygi> imbrandon, poke
[01:35] <imbrandon> ouch
[01:35] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:35] <imbrandon> sup ?
[01:36] <pygi> imbrandon, I found iBook (the lower edition)
[01:36] <pygi> sec
[01:36] <imbrandon> k
[01:36] <pygi> http://www.kupiprodaj.net/index.php?a=2&b=33881
[01:36] <pygi> 800Euro
[01:37] <imbrandon> ahh very nice, looks like a good deal, might wanna add a bit o ram
[01:37] <imbrandon> but other than that looks good
[01:37] <pygi> Apple uses usual RAM modules?
[01:37] <imbrandon> yea normal notebook DDR
[01:37] <imbrandon> you can get it on crucial.com
[01:39] <pygi> imbrandon, interesting ^_^ It's even unused
[01:39] <kwwii> wassup with the "+" ?
[01:39] <pygi> with guarantee
[01:39] <pygi> kwwii, ? :)
[01:39] <imbrandon> kwwii, + ?
[01:39] <kwwii> :-)
[01:40] <kwwii> + :-)
[01:40] <imbrandon> heh
[01:41] <pygi> imbrandon, mind to tell me what's he talking about ? :)
[01:42] <pygi> imbrandon, otherwise it seems nice, just it's not the same as yours !!! :P
[01:43] <imbrandon> great*
[01:43] <imbrandon> brb breakfast time
[01:43] <verwilst> macbook uses DDR2 i think eh
[01:44] <imbrandon> yea the older iBooks like that one just use plain DDR though ;)
[01:44] <kwwii> and be carefull not to simply buy the cheapest
[01:44] <verwilst> pygi: for 300 eur. more you have a new macbook :p
[01:44] <kwwii> I have seen macs which refuse certain modules
[01:44] <pygi> verwilst, in which state? :P
[01:44] <verwilst> what do you mean?
[01:44] <verwilst> i looove minee
[01:44] <verwilst> mine
[01:45] <pygi> well, in Croatia simple iBook is 1900Euro
[01:45] <verwilst> except that it gets pretty hot, but nothin a cooling pad can solve
[01:45] <verwilst> state?
[01:45] <verwilst> i'm not an american :p
[01:45] <pygi> verwilst, ok, country :P
[01:45] <fre1> what is the point of bying mac hardware to run linux ?
[01:45] <verwilst> pygi: belgium
[01:45] <pygi> fre1, Mac's better :)
[01:45] <verwilst> non-apple laptops are ugly
[01:46] <pygi> verwilst, buy me one, I send you money, you send it here :)
[01:46] <rob> with osx you have to keep paying to get cool things, with foss its free :)
[01:46] <verwilst> pygi: you send me the money, i buy one and send it to you
[01:46] <imbrandon> fre1, becosue ppc's run so smooth and the notbooks "look good" ;)
[01:46] <Tonio_> hey girls
[01:46] <verwilst> i am trustworthy, but it's a big risk ofcourse
[01:46] <verwilst> Tonio_: waddup chick
[01:46] <verwilst> :p
[01:47] <fre1> ok :) me i go for cheap/fast/reliable but not look :)
[01:47] <pygi> verwilst, or rather, I come to Belgium :P
[01:47] <imbrandon> cheap != fast/reliable ;)
[01:47] <verwilst> 1100 eur for a macbook 13" isn't too much
[01:48] <imbrandon> that and my iBook can run on battery for hours when my dell lappy is measured in minutes ;)
[01:49] <imbrandon> doing the same things with the same os and basicly the same spped proc etc
[01:49] <imbrandon> s/spped/speed/g
[01:49] <pygi> imbrandon, also found this: http://www.kupiprodaj.net/index.php?a=2&b=32297
[01:49] <pygi> verwilst, it isn't, but I have to pay for trip to Belgium as well =P
[01:49] <verwilst> pygi: i'm willing to send it to you :)
[01:50] <pygi> verwilst, right, right :P
[01:50] <verwilst> but i wouldn't do it too if i were in your place
[01:51] <verwilst> can't you just order through the apple store online?
[01:51] <imbrandon> not an ibook only macbook
[01:52] <verwilst> that's what we're talking about, macbooks ;)
[01:52] <imbrandon> verwilst, no me and pygi were talking ibooks ;)
[01:52] <rob> Riddell, package just finished uploading to revu
[01:52] <verwilst> your conversation has been obsoleted ;)
[01:52] <pygi> imbrandon, right, but I was talking with verwilst about macbook :)
[01:53] <imbrandon> hhe okie, anyhow food time
[01:53] <pygi> bon appetit
[01:53] <imbrandon> btw moins rob
[01:53] <pygi> verwilst, link? :P
[01:53] <rob> hi imbrandon 
[01:54] <verwilst> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?family=MacBook
[01:54] <rob> mac hardware is nice, but I'd only buy it for my wife (except laptops)
[01:54] <verwilst> pygi: what's your tld?
[01:55] <pygi> verwilst, .hr
[01:55] <verwilst> http://www.apple.hr/scr/apple/hardware/macbook/macbook.html
[01:55] <verwilst> and here a buy now link?
[01:55] <verwilst> can't read it :)
[01:56] <pygi> verwilst, lemme look then
[01:59] <pygi> verwilst, o yes, forgot you have to add a lot to the price
[01:59] <pygi> taxes and stuff
[02:00] <verwilst> also when it's in the same country?
[02:00] <verwilst> here it's 1100 eur, taxes included
[02:00] <pygi> 9.479,00 kn
[02:01] <pygi> http://store.apple.hr/IMC-Apple-Store/WebObjects/Asto.woa/1/wo/0raARJVyEt0bm3X0oIOIEw/2.7.1.6.0.0.1.0.1.0.1.7.1.0.1.1.0.1.1.1.0.1.7.1.3.1
[02:01] <pygi> that would be..1361 eur, verwilst 
[02:02] <pygi> doesnt this Mac has rechargable battery???
[02:02] <pygi> I don't even get a power cable?
[02:03] <verwilst> yes you do :p
[02:03] <abattoir__> pygi: of course you do, :P i think those are extra :P
[02:03] <pygi> verwilst, oh, lucky me :P
[02:03] <verwilst> the power cable and battery are seperate
[02:03] <verwilst> they cost 3500 eur
[02:03] <verwilst> hehe
[02:04] <pygi> ergh !!!
[02:04] <pygi> battery is 200eur
[02:04] <verwilst> there is a battery included eh :p
[02:04] <pygi> power cable is 100eur
[02:04] <verwilst> and a cable too :p
[02:04] <verwilst> power cable is 80 eur here
[02:04] <pygi> yes, yes, I know =P
[02:08] <pygi> imbrandon, new iBook is like 25 eur cheaper then the Macbook
[02:44] <Hobbsee> hi all
[02:44] <kwwii> for some reason, everything everyone says to me, in all channels is proceeded by a +
[02:48] <rob> hehe
[02:48] <rob> some script?
[02:49] <Riddell> kwwii: like this?
[02:50] <kwwii> Riddell: actually, everything everyone says
[02:51] <kwwii> and /me looks funny too
[02:51] <kwwii> but everything I say, comes out right
[02:51] <Riddell> kwwii: using which irc app?
[02:52] <kwwii> it is the gaim lib
[02:52] <kwwii> one second, I will try something else
[02:53] <Hobbsee> gaim's dodgy for irc.  ditto kopete
[02:54] <Hobbsee> hi Riddell, kwwii 
[02:56] <kwwii> ok, someone say something :p
[02:57] <Hobbsee> hi kwwii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:58] <Riddell> something
[02:58] <kwwii> damn
[02:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:58] <abattoir> +hello kwwii :P
[02:58] <kwwii> "+"
[02:58] <kwwii> is what I saw
[02:58] <rob> your getting almost the raw output
[02:59] <abattoir> kwwii: using adium?
[02:59] <rob> your client isn't formatting it properly;
[02:59] <kwwii> yeah, looks like it
[02:59] <kwwii> it is not the client I think, but my bouncer 
[03:00] <kwwii> which is a bsd machine sitting in a uni server room 6 hours away and forgotten since a friend left college 6 years ago
[03:00] <kwwii> guess I can't call anyone to fix it :p
[03:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you see my earlier thing, that i uploaded kopete to edgy with some changes?
[03:03] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I didn't, how did you manage that?
[03:03] <Hobbsee> Riddell: asked someone to upload it for me :)
[03:04] <Riddell> edgy i386  Successfully built  groovy
[03:04] <Hobbsee> yay!
[03:04] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what about the other architectures?  not yet built?
[03:04] <Riddell> Added build-dep libglib2.0-dev, evil
[03:04] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/kopete/4:3.5.3+kopete0.12.0-0ubuntu3
[03:04] <Riddell> amd64 build, powerpc not yet built
[03:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: how's that evil?
[03:05] <Riddell> well glib, it's like gnome and stuff
[03:05] <Riddell> but if that's what it takes, fair enough
[03:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well, it's evil anyway, in that it should be used for msn webcam support
[03:05] <Riddell> good point :)
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i suspect wi
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i suspect we'll end up having libs from all over the place, just to get the protocols supported properly
[03:08] <Riddell> seems to be the case
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Riddell: because at the end of the day, $user will care more about having proper webcam support on all protocols, than having a few gnome-ish libs installed on their kde system.
[03:08] <Hobbsee> most people arent that picky
[03:10] <Riddell> of course
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: mind you, i have seen a couple of users have dual boot ubuntu/kubuntu, so they have only gnome stuff on one system, and only kde stuff on the other.
[03:13] <Riddell> now that really is madness
[03:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:14] <Hobbsee> i know!  i couldnt believe it
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: mind you, i also find it hard to believe when someone goes and comments out every line in their sources list, and then wonders why nothing will install.
[03:18] <abattoir> Hobbsee: didnt you patch kopete(w/ the fix for the ICQ bug)? was it for dapper or edgy?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> abattoir: edgy.  Riddell never rebuilt those dapper debs.  although if he's going to, he probably doesnt need to add the autoconf1.9
[03:19] <abattoir> Hobbsee: aah, ok, someone @ #kubuntu was asking for something similar... thanks
[03:19] <Hobbsee> abattoir: give me a sec
[03:19] <abattoir> nvm, 0.12.1 is out, so better to package that
[03:20] <Riddell> it is?
[03:20] <abattoir> http://kopete.kde.org/releases.php
[03:20] <Hobbsee> abattoir: seen the changelog, at all?
[03:21] <abattoir> >>Kopete 0.12.1 has been released. This release has a fix for the ICQ protocol change. Plenty of other fixes abound in this release as well.<<
[03:21] <abattoir> Hobbsee: i'll check for a detailed one
[03:21] <Hobbsee> abattoir: cool, thanks :)
[03:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: if i found a patch for an issue in kde svn, then the new version gets released, does that mean that the new version must contain the fix?
[03:33] <abattoir> Hobbsee: i guess its http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17990 
[03:34] <Hobbsee> abattoir: thanks :)
[03:35] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes
[03:35] <Hobbsee> cool
[03:35] <Riddell> but it'l need an UVF exception
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's not in main
[03:36] <Riddell> kopete is
[03:36] <Riddell> thought that was what you were talking about
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: grr.  someone uploaded it to main while i wasnt looking.
[03:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: when i looked a couple of days ago, it was still universe.
[03:37] <Hobbsee> why'd they do that?
[03:40] <Riddell> kopete's always been in main
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: not when it first got accepted - kopete-3.5.3+kopete-0.12.0 was in universe.
[03:41] <Hobbsee> Riddell: which was how i got the last upload done, incidently.
[03:42] <Hobbsee> in fact, scrap half, that's really what i'd like to happen, then bump it up to main again after uni freeze.
[03:43] <Riddell> that's kindae cheeting :)
[03:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: not really...
[03:49] <Hobbsee> ah, right, it's not every single fix, it's just new upstream versions.
[03:51] <Riddell> oh yes, would be bad if every uploaded needed approved until release
[03:51] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:52] <Hobbsee> Riddell: if it were like that, id' be starting to think that it was like the beaurocracy of work - eek!
[03:52] <Hobbsee> idiotic and annoying work
[03:53] <Riddell> 0.12.1 will need approval but if it's only bugfixes it won't be a problem at all
[03:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you want to write the report?
[03:54] <Riddell> Hobbsee: we need abattoir to get us the changelog first :)
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Riddell: he got it.  stay in the loop :P
[03:54] <Riddell> oh? where?
[03:54] <abattoir> Riddell: [19:03:23]  <abattoir> Hobbsee: i guess its http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17990  :P
[03:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: [23:33]  <abattoir> Hobbsee: i guess its http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17990
[03:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: building the new version now
[04:15] <Hobbsee> hey imbrandon 
[04:15] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[04:16] <imbrandon> kinda had me head in a hole last night working on some cool stuff
[04:16] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:17] <imbrandon> Riddell, is everyting new that is gonna come from unstable alread over in edgy or are we still waiting on stuff ?
[04:18] <imbrandon> !info python2.4-pycurl edgy
[04:18] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: should all be there, what in particular were you after?
[04:18] <imbrandon> ^^ that ;)
[04:18] <imbrandon> actualy 2.3
[04:19] <imbrandon> but 2.4 would work
[04:19] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: this one?  http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/python/python2.4-pycurl
[04:19] <imbrandon> ahhh ;) /me missed it
[04:19] <imbrandon> yup that one ;) thanks
[04:19] <Hobbsee> no 2.3 one
[04:20] <imbrandon> i can just change the debian/control to 2.4 
[04:20] <imbrandon> it should work the same
[04:20] <imbrandon> *hopes*
[04:20] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:27] <Hobbsee> dodgy connectoin Riddell_?
[04:27] <Hobbsee> looks like mine the last couple of days...
[04:27] <Riddell_> seem so, except this server is on a very expensive 8MB leased line
[04:27] <Riddell_> silly BT
[04:28] <imbrandon> heh
[04:29] <Hobbsee> ouch
[04:30] <imbrandon> oh man this is a pita
[05:23] <pygi> imbrandon, !!!
[05:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell_: an untested version of kopete is on revu, for edgy.  i'm assuming it works, but, like i say, it's untested
[05:31] <Riddell_> keyne: kopete 0.12.1?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> keyne: ?
[05:31] <Riddell_> err
[05:32] <Riddell_> Hobbsee: kopete 0.12.1?
[05:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell_: yes.
[05:32] <Hobbsee> be gone with the tail!
[05:33] <Riddell> still working at the supermarket?
[05:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah.
[05:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: havent had any other interesting job offers.
[05:34] <Hobbsee> nor enough sexual harrassment to make me leave.
[05:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: we got really annoying slow customers that meant we all left half an hour late - so it meant i had 10 hours between shifts.  and parts of work were kinda bad and stressful
[05:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: kopete 0.12.1 is installable, the version that's on revu
[05:40] <Hobbsee> night all
[05:43] <Hobbsee> s/other//
[05:45] <Hobbsee> in fact, s/other interesting//
[05:46] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, should apply for _K_ubuntu community manager at canonical ;)
[05:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: do you know if they ever found a ubuntu one?
[05:48] <imbrandon> dont think so
[05:48] <imbrandon> its still posted
[05:48] <Hobbsee> hmmm....
[05:49] <Hobbsee> i'm guessing it'd be full time - and i'm still studying, so...that'd be a bit hard.  
[05:49] <imbrandon> yea
[05:50] <imbrandon> one of these moons it will happen ;)
[05:51] <Hobbsee> yeah, maybe
[05:54] <imbrandon> Riddell, how long do packages normaly sit in NEW ?
[05:55] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it's so nice to be able to look and go "hey, i've seen this section of the release cycle before, when i was doing dev stuff for it last time.  cool :) "
[05:55] <imbrandon> hahahah exactly
[05:55] <imbrandon> ;)
[05:55] <imbrandon> me and you picked up packin about the same day
[05:55] <imbrandon> i think
[05:56] <Riddell> imbrandon: varies considerably
[05:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: is there any way to get a listing of *all* kde packages on launchpad?  like k*?
[05:56] <Riddell> not really
[05:56] <imbrandon> Riddell, ahh ok was just wondering cuz apt-mirror is still in the NEW que ;)
[05:57] <Hobbsee> gotta love non-restricted email :)
[05:57] <imbrandon> kubuntu-bugs covers them all dosent it ?
[05:57] <Hobbsee> anyway, bedtime.
[05:57] <Hobbsee> really, this time
[05:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nope
[05:57] <Riddell> imbrandon: still there https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=apt
[05:57] <Hobbsee> ubuntu bugs would, i guess
[05:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: but i really dont want *that* much email  - most of which would be bug reports i wouldnt have a clue of fixing
[05:57] <imbrandon> heh
[05:58] <imbrandon> i just browser all the lp bugs till i find ones i can fix, or fix ones in packages i USE ;)
[05:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:58] <imbrandon> Riddell, hehe yea i knew it was still there, i just dident know how long it would sit there
[06:27] <nixternal> pygi: you needed somthing in the -nun?
[06:27] <pygi> nixternal, wanted to help with "Multimedia" stuff (Instructor), but nobody seems alive =P
[06:28] <nixternal> ya, that channel isn't hoppin' quite yet...if you are interested, just add yourself to the wiki page
[06:29] <pygi> nixternal, done
[06:29] <nixternal> good deal, welcome aboard, and thanks for the help ;)
[06:30] <pygi> no, thank you :)
[06:30] <nixternal> hehe
[06:30] <pygi> I just hope I'll have time that day =P
[06:30] <pygi> two days*
[06:30] <nixternal> nice thing, will be that you can probably make the time you want
[06:30] <nixternal> we will have to see with the other guys first
[06:31] <pygi> nixternal, joy ^_^
[06:31] <pygi> I could also pick the KDE part of Multimedia if you want, or you people have someone else in mind for that?
[06:32] <nixternal> KDE would be fine
[06:32] <nixternal> as that is what i have been doing
[06:32] <pygi> oh,oki, then I leave it to you :)
[06:33] <nixternal> no no..you do the kde multimedia, not me..i am just saying, the classes that i am helping with, i am doing the kde side of it
[06:33] <pygi> ah !!! (I wrote the Gnome, that's why I am asking)
[06:35] <nixternal> you can instruct really whatever you want..if you want to do both KDE and Gnome go ahead..if you want to do Xubuntu as well feel free ;)
[06:36] <abattoir> sorry to butt in, what 'classes' are these? :P
[06:36] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom
[06:36] <abattoir> the KDE university thing?
[06:37] <nixternal> put on by the NewUserNetwork
[06:37] <pygi> nixternal, eh ^_^
[06:37] <abattoir> nixternal: thanks :)
[06:37] <nixternal> no problem
[06:38] <abattoir> nixternal: so can i point new users interested in learning to the wiki?
[06:39] <nixternal> yes sir
[06:39] <nixternal> please do, that would be awesome of you
[06:40] <abattoir> nixternal: it'd also be nice if info about it makes it into the #kubuntu topic, i'll request for the addition of a ubotu entry(if there isnt one already).
[06:40] <nixternal> i was just htinking the same thing
[06:40] <nixternal> however i don't have the powah ;)
[06:41] <abattoir> well, we can certainly request, someone like imbrandon, im sure would help :)
[06:41] <abattoir> !ubotu
[06:41] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage
[06:41] <nixternal> that i shall do
[06:49] <abattoir> nixternal: >>'The Classroom' is a project which aims to tutor users about Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu through biweekly sessions @ #ubuntu-classroom . For more information visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom<<
[06:49] <abattoir> that's ok for a factoid entry?
[06:49] <nixternal> sure..looks awesome!!!
[06:51] <abattoir> !classroom is <reply> 'The Classroom' is a project which aims to tutor users about Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu through biweekly sessions @ #ubuntu-classroom . For more information visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom
[06:53] <abattoir> now, to wait for them to approve it ;)
[06:53] <nixternal> ahhh
[06:53] <nixternal> ok..they have to approve it first..was wondering why it wasn't working yet ;)
[06:53] <abattoir> well, imbrandon could help us if he were here :)
[06:53] <Seveas> !classroom
[06:53] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Classroom is a project which aims to tutor users about Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu through biweekly sessions in #ubuntu-classroom - For more information visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom
[06:53] <abattoir> Seveas: thanks a lot :)
[06:53] <nixternal> Seveas is the mastah
[06:53] <nixternal> ty Seveas ;)
[06:56] <imbrandon> ahh sorry abattoir ;) Seveas got it ;)
[06:56] <Seveas> Beat ya :
[06:57] <imbrandon> btw you can type %editors and ping anyone of those names to edit factoids ;)
[06:57] <imbrandon> hahahah ;)
[06:57] <Seveas> but *please* use %editors only in pm
[06:57] <Seveas> otherwise it'll ping them all 
[06:57] <imbrandon> yea so it dont ping the whole room ;)
[06:58] <imbrandon> Seveas, maybe make %editors pm the person that types it ? unless its like %+editors ?
[06:59] <Seveas> yes
[06:59] <imbrandon> hahah
[06:59] <Seveas> I'm still working on your last suggestion
[06:59] <imbrandon> hehehe /me go's back to compiling
[07:55] <seaLne> could me removing things from my konq location toolbar so i could put the "main" toolbar on the same line really have caused me to loose ^L and alt+arrowkey navigation?
[07:59] <Riddell> I don't see how
[08:02] <Tonio_> argh !!!!!!!!!
[08:02] <Tonio_> that's a HUDGE bug
[08:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: is #ubuntu-deve the good place to discuss proftpd issues ?
[08:03] <Tonio_> +l
[08:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: depends if someone who knows the topic happens to be around
[08:04] <Riddell> ubuntu-devel list might be better
[08:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't know since it is very specific
[08:05] <Tonio_> but for a specific usage, the problem is very important...
[08:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: is it an ubuntu issue?  if not going upstream might be better
[08:06] <Tonio_> I don't know, but I think so... in fact I'm migrating a server from debian to ubuntu
[08:06] <Tonio_> I use proftpd-mysql and it always worked correctly with debian, except that now, with ubuntu, I get this :
[08:07] <seaLne> weird i have back those key chords after restarting, but annoyingly now location toolbar is full width and won't let me add main to the right of it, ohwell
[08:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: 
[08:09] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~$ proftpd -l | grep sql
[08:09] <Tonio_>   mod_sql.c
[08:09] <Tonio_>   mod_sql_mysql.c
[08:09] <Tonio_>   mod_quotatab_sql.c
[08:09] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~$ proftpd
[08:09] <Tonio_>  - Fatal: unknown configuration directive 'SQLBackend' on line 109 of '/etc/proftpd.conf'.
[08:09] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~$
[08:09] <Tonio_> sorry but pastebin fails here....
[08:09] <Tonio_> that's quite a big issue for people who want to migrate :) the problem is the maintainer is debian DD but the package works on debian....
[08:09] <Tonio_> so I'm quite a bit embarrassed ;)
[08:11] <seaLne> build-deps broken in ubuntu maybe?
[08:12] <seaLne> does seem strange
[08:15] <Tonio_> seaLne: no that's not an issue with deps....
[08:15] <Tonio_> the module is compiled IN the binary
[08:15] <Tonio_> and proftpd -vv claims the module is there
[08:15] <seaLne> ah ok
[08:16] <Tonio_> but the binary doesn't- recognise any sql parameter........;
[08:16] <Tonio_> the point is I tested on 3 dapper machines, same result
[08:16] <Tonio_> I'm temporary backporting debian's package
[08:16] <Tonio_> because I really need to perform this migration correctly :)
[08:29] <Tonio_> seaLne: the goodpoint is that merging the current debian package works :)
[08:29] <Tonio_> I'l report that on the devel ml th get a backport eventually
[08:29] <Tonio_> the dependancies are compatible with dapper actually
[08:36] <Riddell> someone just made https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuGTKTheme
[08:38] <abattoir> Riddell: doesnt the gtk-qt engine do the same?
[08:39] <Riddell> that's what I thought
[08:39] <Riddell> maybe it's not working for him for some reason
[08:41] <apachelogger> I think firefox just uses gtk in a very odd way
[08:41] <apachelogger> because it will look odd
[08:41] <apachelogger> even did for me
[08:41] <apachelogger> though this might also be related with a download from mozilla.com
[08:42] <apachelogger> so precompiled installer
[09:01] <Riddell> seaLne: could you bring me 3 kubuntu t-shirts to lugradio live?  I've got the go ahead from canonical for them (and more as we need them)
[11:34] <pygi> Riddell, poke? :)