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nixternalyup01:34
nixternaland jenda is in here as well...im sure he has ran his "SpreadUbuntu" campaign past all of you!!!01:35
kwwii:-)01:35
nixternalany of you create any posters yet?01:35
kwwiibtw. kubuntu also has stickers like the ubuntu ones, as well as padded stickers, and more01:35
nixternali have been messing around with inkscape for creating a poster for my LoCo01:35
nixternali want stickers!!!01:36
kwwiiI made the banners as well01:36
nixternali have been printing my own stickers out01:36
nixternalis this all located under the /Artwork wiki?01:36
kwwiioh, and someone printed a bunch of coffee cups too01:36
nixternalbut i don't have one ;(01:36
kwwiinope01:36
nixternalhaha01:36
kwwiiI could put the banner stuff there, since I did it01:37
nixternalyou keeping your stuff anywhere accessible???01:37
kwwiithe other things were previous to my involvement01:37
nixternalbesides the wiki that is?01:37
nixternallike your blog ;)01:37
kwwiiuntil now, no01:37
nixternalahh..k01:37
kwwiiI should make a wiki page I guess01:38
nixternalget the images up there..you guys are holding all the good stuff close..i know it01:38
kwwiihehe01:38
nixternalso..for kubuntu edgy, no more bubbles right?01:38
kwwiinot sure, really01:38
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nixternalhehe01:38
kwwiiI saw some really nice bubble pics01:39
nixternali actually grabbed a human color scheme from kde-look, i actually like it01:39
nixternalthere must be a story behind the bubbles01:39
kwwiihehe01:39
kwwiinope, just kinda pulled that out of my ass01:39
nixternalhahahah01:39
kwwiifrom concept to product in one day01:39
kwwiiI think edgy should be purple01:40
nixternali wouldn't let every know that ;)01:40
nixternaloh lord..you and hobbsee with purple01:40
nixternalgentoo like is ok..barney the dinosaur purple is bad01:40
kwwiihehe01:40
nixternali like the gray/blue stuff for some reason01:40
kwwiiwell, we will see what comes out of our new artwork process01:41
nixternalhttp://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=3155601:41
nixternalthe colors in that are what im talking about01:41
nixternali know i have seen some of the gnome work and i am truelly impressed01:42
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kwwiito be honest, I am not so big on such muted colors01:42
kwwiibut lots of people seem to like them01:43
nixternali never was myself01:43
nixternaluntil i grabbed that wallpaper01:43
kwwiiI guess the icons look nice on it01:43
nixternalhttp://home.comcast.net/~nixternal//images/misc/yakuake.jpg01:44
nixternalerrr01:44
nixternalhttp://home.comcast.net/~nixternal/images/misc/yakuake.jpg01:45
nixternalthat has been my layout for a while now01:45
nixternali don't use desktop icons at all, since i never get to see it ;)01:45
kwwiihehe01:45
kwwiidude, you chat too much01:45
kwwiihow do you ever keep track of all those channels?01:45
nixternali don't01:45
kwwii:p01:45
nixternalwhen they turn red i goto them01:46
nixternalthe middle ones aren't high traffic so..it isn't to bad01:46
kwwiiwell, about time for bed01:46
nixternalalrighty..i will get with you later on the art stuff01:47
kwwiiI'll make a wik page tomorrow and put up anything I can find that is marketing related01:47
nixternalim gonna go eat..and maybe hit the chain tonight ;)01:47
nixternalnixternal at gmail dot com01:47
nixternalor just ping me in here with info ;)01:47
kwwiicool, will do01:47
nixternalall the same, i will get it one way or the other01:47
nixternalthanks kwwii!!!01:47
kwwii;-)01:47
kwwiisee you01:47
nixternalttyl01:47
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viper550Man, can't wait to hear who my theme team is!03:05
troy_swhat?03:39
troy_sis it just me or do some people who chat in here seem like they need some serious chemical alignments?03:42
troy_soh kwwii03:42
troy_sping03:42
nixternalkwwii is passed out ;)03:44
nixternalwhats up troy_s03:44
nixternalyou got some pimpage on the MarketingTeam Meeting Minutes email today ;)03:44
troy_shuh?03:46
troy_si added some content to the launchpad howto at the wiki -- because i probably should have done that sooner.03:47
nixternalgood deal03:47
troy_snixternal, hopefully you guys can really get some good coordination going.03:47
nixternaldo you have the art team setup as a "Project" on the launchpad?03:48
troy_shrm?03:48
nixternalin order to do specs, they have to be created on a "Project", "Program", or "Distribution"03:48
troy_sahh yes...03:48
troy_swell our specs target packages03:48
troy_sgenerally03:48
nixternalya, that is true03:48
troy_sbut if you have a wiki page or howto or something, i certainly will look at it.03:49
nixternalwhereas the marketing team wouldn't03:49
nixternalthat is why i was thinking a "Marketing" Project03:49
nixternaland everything will fall under that03:49
troy_sindeed... it is a _little_ different, but the generalities of launchpad can benefit almost every team.03:49
nixternalProject == Marketing Team, and then the Programs == SpreadUbuntu, Magazine, Press Team....and so on03:49
troy_sah03:51
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-artwork:troy_s] : Welcome! -+- Start here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork -+- Work Specs at http://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-art/+specs -+- IRC Logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs -+- Loose proposals for the Proposal phase are underway.
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troy_s+106:05
Madpilothmm?06:05
troy_sdon't know06:05
troy_sit was the devil in me06:05
troy_show you doing mad?06:05
troy_show's doc team progressing Madpilot ?06:06
Madpilotslow right now06:06
troy_show come?06:06
Madpilotwe're waiting for the source of the official Ubuntu book to be released, so we can incorporate it into our onscreen docs06:07
troy_sah.06:07
troy_sthe one from prentice hall?06:07
Madpilotyes06:08
Madpilotit's going to be "open sourced" just after it's paper publication06:08
troy_sinteresting.06:08
troy_sso what is currently cooking in doc land?06:08
troy_sanything interesting?06:09
Madpilota Switching From Windows guide, which is nice to have06:09
troy_syes...06:09
troy_si always thought it would be nice to have a 'what you can do out of box with ubuntu'06:10
troy_sas opposed to the traditional 'how do i do this that i used to do in windows' garbage.06:10
troy_slike streaming ogg classical, edit photos, etc.06:10
troy_sout of box, the ubuntu experience is pretty darn impressive, it just takes a little doc spin.06:10
Madpilotya06:11
troy_sdoes the doc team use launchpad yet to track projects or accept braindumps?06:12
Madpilotnot really, we've always just used the mailing list, and our SVN repo06:12
troy_stoo bad.06:13
Madpilotit seems to work, we got a decent set of docs out for Dapper06:13
troy_sthere are specs for doc things already though.  just kind of curious why there wouldn't be officially tracked specs.06:18
klepasmoin07:05
Madpilotwaky, you know, you could just set your away status in your IRC client, quietly, and not spam channels with useless nick changing...08:29
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Madpilothttp://www.warbard.ca/temp/Bzr-logo.svg08:52
troy_snice to see someone trying to help newz.09:03
Madpilotit's an excuse to play in Inkscape :)09:04
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kwwii_how does one attach a picture to a wiki page?04:19
kwwii_I knew once, but apparently forgot04:19
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kwwii_duh04:52
kwwii_me be dumb04:52
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Viper550I've finally decided to use xchat-gnome instead of Konversation05:10
kwwii_hehe05:13
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Viper550Yeah, much nicer, and I don't have to mess with kcontrol to make it look good in Gnome05:13
kwwii_but I used xchat for a long time05:13
Viper550Is the "real" xchat nicer?05:14
kwwii_well, it doesn't fit well into any desktop, but it works great :-)05:15
Viper550It's GTK, right?05:15
kwwii_yepp05:17
kwwii_erm, no, I do not think it is05:17
lapoit's gtk, not but not gnome05:21
kwwii_yeah, exactly05:22
lapos/not but/but/05:22
Viper550but that means it uses GTK themes, so it matches (in a way)05:22
Viper550Does it look good with Ubuntulooks?05:23
lapoyes it matches quite well imho05:23
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Viper550Now using X-Chat05:27
Viper550I just figured out the meaning of Xchat-Gnome05:30
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Viper550Does this channel deal with every Ubuntu fork?06:26
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klepaskwwii_: should use irssi06:37
klepasso much nicer and dead simple :-)06:37
kwwii_yeah, no doubt06:50
kwwii_i used it for years, actually06:50
klepasi quite like it07:00
kwwii_when I was loggin into my server to chat (and leaving that running all the time) it was great07:23
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newz2000kwwii, perfect timing10:11
newz2000I just popped in to see if you were here10:11
kwwii_:-)10:11
newz2000http://bzr.newz.gotdns.com/htdocs/new/BZR%20Concept2006-07-14-1.svg10:11
newz2000There's my concept for bzr10:11
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Viper550Hello10:12
newz2000hi10:12
Viper550Does anyone here use Xubuntu?10:13
newz2000kwwii: I'm kind of thinking about taking the yellow part of the logo out and making the orange part yellow.10:13
newz2000But I don't have a tremendous eye for color10:13
kwwii_hehe, that looks pretty nice10:13
Viper550Anyone here deal with Xubuntu artwork?10:13
newz2000I want to be bold, but sometimes I'm just not gutsy enough10:13
kwwii_yeah, maybe yellow only would look nicer10:13
kwwii_it would look more proffesional10:14
newz2000I'll try it10:14
Viper550http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=42515 Made it myself10:14
mhbViper550: not many people responding, are they? :o)10:14
Viper550I see10:15
newz2000Does inkscape have the concept of creating slices like photoshop?10:15
Viper550Define "creating slices"10:15
kwwii_newz2000: nope10:15
mhbViper550: not many people here are using it, AFAIK10:16
newz2000slices are where you use guides to mark out parts of art that will be saved as separate images10:16
Viper550Not many people using Xubuntu10:16
newz2000Viper550: haven't used XFCE since 3.0 came out10:16
mhbViper550: artists need powerful machines10:16
newz2000"what? You've only got one core?"10:17
newz2000:-D10:17
Viper550That's why I have begun contributing art to Xubuntu, not many people are wanting to do so10:17
mhbViper550: the trouble is that most people are here for Ubuntu10:17
mhbViper550: with only a few exceptions10:18
newz2000kwwii_: http://bzr.newz.gotdns.com/htdocs/new/BZR%20Concept2006-07-14-2.svg10:18
newz2000the previous one is there.10:18
newz2000it's a -1 instad of -2 at the end10:18
newz2000I trust your eye for color, which do you like better?10:18
kwwii_newz2000: perhaps the line around the outside should be a bit thicker? (take the old orange version of that part and make it yellow)?10:20
newz2000Yes, I agree10:20
newz2000kwwii_ are you using inkscape or illustrator?10:22
kwwii_newz2000: both :-)10:22
kwwii_I try to use inkscape as much as possible10:22
kwwii_using inkscape I just added a 2px yellow stroke to the outer path and it looks a bit better I think10:24
newz2000ah, thats how you do that10:24
kwwii_well, in illustrator I would offset the path10:24
kwwii_which I actually like better because I can add rounding, etc, :-)10:24
newz2000I thought I knew what you meant, but it didn't work out. I've about got it the manual way of splitting the two logos and combining the parts from each that I like10:25
kwwii_I dig the grey boxes...the text looks nice on it10:25
kwwii_newz2000: that will work too :-)10:26
kwwii_if you open it in inkscape and click on the yellow line on the outside (the rotated squarish thing) and then give it a stroke (in the fill and stroke dialogue)10:27
kwwii_enter two pixels and make the stroke color yellow :-)10:27
newz2000Got it10:28
newz2000Oh, wait.10:28
newz2000It stroked the middle part too10:28
kwwii_ungroup them10:29
newz2000It says its not a group10:29
newz2000did you break it into paths?10:29
kwwii_ahh shit10:29
kwwii_I just noticed that10:29
kwwii_hrm, then I would split the path10:29
newz2000That's OK, I did the other way10:29
kwwii_erm, but that fscks it up10:29
newz2000ok, let me try spliting it10:30
kwwii_break it apart10:30
kwwii_and then select only the two paths that made that path10:30
kwwii_and then combine them10:31
kwwii_than add the stroke again10:31
kwwii_yeah, that works, I just did it10:31
newz2000OK, so when I do that I get what looks like to filled diamons10:32
kwwii_hehe10:32
kwwii_let me send you the version I just did10:32
kwwii_?10:32
newz2000ok10:32
newz2000wait, I got it10:32
kwwii_:-)10:32
newz2000I forgot to combine them. Once I did that it worked10:32
kwwii_:-)10:33
kwwii_cool10:33
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newz2000I really don't use vectors often10:33
newz2000Well, I will be now.10:33
newz2000I can't get my photoshop working in Dapper. It pukes on some fonts10:34
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mhbnewz2000: you can get msfonts (from easyubuntu)10:34
newz2000I think I have too many fonts actually.10:34
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newz2000It worked then I realized I was missing my fonts, so installed them into gnome.10:35
newz2000That was the last time photoshop ran.10:35
newz2000Interestingly, image ready works fine.10:35
kwwiihehe10:35
kwwiithat is really funky10:35
newz2000yeah10:36
newz2000Now if there only was a way to maintain layers when transfering betwen inkscape and imageready10:36
kwwiithen again, I somehow got all of my adobe products to *only* open files from the file open dialogue10:37
kwwiiinkscape should have slices implemented :-)10:37
newz2000yeah, this weekend I'll add it to their list.10:37
newz2000I talked to them and they've about got blur working10:38
newz2000They say it works but is murder on the renderer. I don't know what that means10:38
newz2000except that they must not be 100% happy with it yet.10:38
kwwiifunny, it should not be too hard10:38
kwwiiwell, I guess doing it on live objects is something else10:38
newz2000I figure once we have blur then things like drop shadows and outer glow will be a piece of cake.10:39
kwwiiyepp,definitely10:39
kwwiiI have hard coded stuff like that before, it works great10:39
newz2000you added the filters to the xml?10:41
kwwiiyepp10:42
kwwiisvg supports most of them already10:42
kwwiiwell, it supports blur10:42
newz2000Did you have problems finding a viewer to see the end result?10:42
kwwiiand the other things are just matrice stuff on the color channels, etc.10:42
kwwiinope, batick does it great10:42
newz2000oh, I remember batick.10:43
newz2000http://bzr.newz.gotdns.com/htdocs/new/BZR%20Concept2006-07-14-4.svg10:43
newz2000that has the 2px stroke on the outside only10:43
newz2000I like that the logo you made is so much more uniform than mine, but not so uniform that it looks rigid and angular.10:44
kwwiihehe, thanks10:45
kwwiiI liked the way it has a natural feel to it...it makes it friendly10:45
newz2000I agree10:46
newz2000The bzr folk like it too.10:46
kwwiihehe10:46
kwwiihrm, the stroke is only 1px in that version10:47
newz2000oh yeah10:47
kwwiiI think it might look a bit better with 210:47
kwwiior 1.5 or such10:47
newz2000no, it was 110:47
newz2000I forgot that I abanded my broken apart one10:47
kwwiisince it is not aligned perfectly to a grid a strange pixel size for the stroke shouldn't matter10:47
newz2000yeah10:48
newz2000When rasterizing, some of the strokes on my graphics come out looking fuzzy.10:48
newz2000There must be a trick to sizing those just right so they don't have that problem10:48
newz20002.000 looks good btw.10:49
newz2000I updated the graphic on that link10:49
kwwiiI just dumped a coke on my computer, one second10:49
newz2000uh oh10:49
kwwii sdfghzki10:50
kwwiiok10:50
kwwiibetter now10:51
kwwiiit is an emac10:51
kwwiithese things have the most amazing keyboards10:51
kwwiiyou cannot fsck them up10:51
newz2000amazing10:51
kwwiiand it is one big fully contained box, so nothing can get into it10:51
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newz2000we need computers like on star trek. All voice controlled.10:51
kwwiithat would make artwork really hard10:52
newz2000(and you thought telling me how to fix the stroke was tricky)10:52
kwwiior really easy10:52
mhbwe need better tools10:52
mhbso kwwii won't need illustrator10:52
kwwiitell your computer to "increase stroke to XML ID 4239842987 to 2 pixels and make it tango yellow"10:52
kwwiiand then you say "now it says something about them being connected paths????"10:53
newz2000yeah, and left a little10:53
kwwiiI think I will stick to a decent GUI for now10:53
newz2000me too10:54
andreasnnewz2000: nice mockup10:55
newz2000thanks10:55
newz2000If you think it looks cool now, you should have seen it before the first round of revisions10:56
newz2000:D10:56
newz2000Can I get an amen?10:56
kwwiiamen!10:57
newz2000phew. I thought my works might be the only ones that get slaughtered10:57
kwwiimight I suggest one more change?10:57
newz2000yes, please10:57
kwwiithe logo is also used in the bg of the box that says "learn bazaar"10:57
kwwiiperhaps you could make that more transparent and/or white and more transparent?10:58
kwwiiand it should be the exact same logo as above10:58
andreasn"learn bazaar", shouldn't that read "learn about bazaar"?10:58
newz2000ah. You think its a little too bold for the background there?10:58
kwwiiyepp10:58
kwwiior if you leave it as is, at least use the same version as the one directly above it10:59
newz2000andreasn: yeah, it could be. I've been trying to avoid it though.10:59
newz2000kwwii, I'll do both. Switch that logo out and make it lighter somehow.10:59
kwwiinewz2000: you might have to make the yellow lighter, instead of adding transparency11:00
kwwiinot sure11:00
newz2000yeah, the transparency made it muddy gray11:00
newz2000Lighter makes it almost radiant though, so it will need a little of both11:01
jendaaloha, newz2000, kwwii.11:01
newz2000howdy jenda11:01
jendanewz2000: I managed to create the bzr branch ;)11:01
kwwiihowdy jenda11:01
jendaFull of spreadubuntu art now :)11:01
kwwiijenda: I started a wiki page with a few marketing things11:01
jendakwwii: linky?11:01
newz2000jenda, you'll have to tell me how you did it, or point me towards the docs that taught you11:01
kwwiithe banner I made for canonical, a flyer I made for kubuntu, and more is coming11:01
kwwiijenda: wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Marketing11:02
jendanewz2000: I was guided, so I'll rather tell you :)11:02
newz2000Do you have time now or would you like to do it some other time?11:03
jendakwwii: what's the difference between that and DIYMarketing ?11:03
jendanewz2000: now's good, if you like ;)11:03
newz2000Sure11:03
jendaI'll have to scrounge my memory...11:03
jendait's done from the terminal, not LP11:03
jendaDo you have ssh key taht LP recognises?11:04
kwwiijenda: well, only the banners have been officially approved so far11:04
newz2000yes11:04
jendakwwii: by whom?11:04
kwwiijenda: so I saw that as a place to put things before they go onto the DIY11:04
kwwiijenda: Jane approved them (with others, I guess) and canonical paid for them to be made11:04
jendaOK...11:05
kwwiiyou must understand, that those banners are two meters high and 80cm wide, so nobody else is going to print them11:05
jendanewz2000: cd to your directory, the one you want branched.11:05
jendakwwii: yes yes, I understand. But I'm 95% certain you don't need approval to include stuff in DIYMarketing.11:06
jendanewz2000: type bzr init-repo --trees11:06
kwwiijenda: really? wow...I was afraid to simply add them there11:06
newz2000requires argument location11:07
jendagah11:07
newz2000Don't sweat it11:07
jendamake it bzr init :)11:08
jendasorry11:08
jendathen 'bzr add'11:08
newz2000ok, that worked11:08
jendanow you publish it11:08
jendado you want it to be a team-accessible branch, or just you?11:09
jenda(write access)11:09
newz2000Well, I haven't created a spec for this project yet11:09
newz2000Does it get associated with the spec?11:09
jendanope11:10
jendaonly a group11:10
newz2000oh11:10
jendayou can associate it with a bug, I think ;)11:10
newz2000I might need to do some more planning before I do this then.11:10
newz2000But I can version my changes locally wtih this?11:10
jendayes11:11
jendawell you can do one to try it out :) that's what i did by accident. It's still there, marked abandoned, and they disappear, supposedly.11:11
jenda(so they say ;) )11:11
newz2000ok11:12
jendaAnyway, the command is: bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~<user>/<project>/<branch>11:12
jenda<user> can be you or a team11:12
jenda<project> is the project it should be under... lemme think.. umm11:13
kwwiinewz2000: I played with that box a bit...http://bootsplash.org/next_idea.svg11:13
kwwiimade the logo much bigger and clipped it by the box11:13
jendaright, newz2000, you need to register a product for the branch to go with.11:14
newz2000kwwii: good idea11:14
jendaPRODUCT, not project, sorry about that ;)11:14
newz2000Yeah, I've got a product11:14
newz2000ubuntu-website11:14
jendaOK, good enough :)11:15
newz2000I'm going to wait to do that for a bit11:15
jendaand <branch> is whatever you want it to be called.11:15
jendaOK, do that, then.11:15
newz2000did you have to do anything else?11:15
jendaNo, it's done then.11:15
newz2000So I wonder if bzr branches are like cvs branches11:16
jendaEvery upstream update is bzr add, bzr commit, bzr push after that.11:16
jendaPRetty much, they are.11:16
newz2000So there might be a 1_0 for the 1.0 release11:16
newz2000but basically each branch is a progression from a previous branch11:16
newz2000oh, I gotta go guys...11:17
newz2000got to get new tires for my wife's car11:18
newz2000you know what that means?11:18
newz2000The cars going to die in < 4 weeks11:18
newz2000I hate getting new tires, its like a curse11:18
newz2000TTL guys11:19
mhbsee you11:19
jendaHow about a 0_0 for the 0.0 release?11:19
jenda:-D11:19
jendalater ;)11:19
kwwiinewz2000: I fixed up a few small problems with that last version, reload it11:27
kwwiihehe, I just now read back to see that he is gone11:35
mhbkwwii: heh ... so true, so you :o)11:37
kwwiiI am always doing ten things at once11:40
jendaGood night, you two, I'm off.11:41
kwwiinight jenda11:43
newz2000kwwii: what did you do on that last revision?11:52
kwwiiI fixed the clipping on the logo on the box11:53
kwwiiand changed the little logo at lower down to the same one as above11:53
newz2000oh, thanks11:53
kwwiino problem11:53

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