=== AndyFitz [n=AndyFitz@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === andreasn [n=andreas@h44n2fls34o839.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === nixternal [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:34] yup [01:35] and jenda is in here as well...im sure he has ran his "SpreadUbuntu" campaign past all of you!!! [01:35] :-) [01:35] any of you create any posters yet? [01:35] btw. kubuntu also has stickers like the ubuntu ones, as well as padded stickers, and more [01:35] i have been messing around with inkscape for creating a poster for my LoCo [01:36] i want stickers!!! [01:36] I made the banners as well [01:36] i have been printing my own stickers out [01:36] is this all located under the /Artwork wiki? [01:36] oh, and someone printed a bunch of coffee cups too [01:36] but i don't have one ;( [01:36] nope [01:36] haha [01:37] I could put the banner stuff there, since I did it [01:37] you keeping your stuff anywhere accessible??? [01:37] the other things were previous to my involvement [01:37] besides the wiki that is? [01:37] like your blog ;) [01:37] until now, no [01:37] ahh..k [01:38] I should make a wiki page I guess [01:38] get the images up there..you guys are holding all the good stuff close..i know it [01:38] hehe [01:38] so..for kubuntu edgy, no more bubbles right? [01:38] not sure, really === nixternal begs [01:38] hehe [01:39] I saw some really nice bubble pics [01:39] i actually grabbed a human color scheme from kde-look, i actually like it [01:39] there must be a story behind the bubbles [01:39] hehe [01:39] nope, just kinda pulled that out of my ass [01:39] hahahah [01:39] from concept to product in one day [01:40] I think edgy should be purple [01:40] i wouldn't let every know that ;) [01:40] oh lord..you and hobbsee with purple [01:40] gentoo like is ok..barney the dinosaur purple is bad [01:40] hehe [01:40] i like the gray/blue stuff for some reason [01:41] well, we will see what comes out of our new artwork process [01:41] http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31556 [01:41] the colors in that are what im talking about [01:42] i know i have seen some of the gnome work and i am truelly impressed === nixternal likes the hybrid theme big time [01:42] to be honest, I am not so big on such muted colors [01:43] but lots of people seem to like them [01:43] i never was myself [01:43] until i grabbed that wallpaper [01:43] I guess the icons look nice on it [01:44] http://home.comcast.net/~nixternal//images/misc/yakuake.jpg [01:44] errr [01:45] http://home.comcast.net/~nixternal/images/misc/yakuake.jpg [01:45] that has been my layout for a while now [01:45] i don't use desktop icons at all, since i never get to see it ;) [01:45] hehe [01:45] dude, you chat too much [01:45] how do you ever keep track of all those channels? [01:45] i don't [01:45] :p [01:46] when they turn red i goto them [01:46] the middle ones aren't high traffic so..it isn't to bad [01:46] well, about time for bed [01:47] alrighty..i will get with you later on the art stuff [01:47] I'll make a wik page tomorrow and put up anything I can find that is marketing related [01:47] im gonna go eat..and maybe hit the chain tonight ;) [01:47] nixternal at gmail dot com [01:47] or just ping me in here with info ;) [01:47] cool, will do [01:47] all the same, i will get it one way or the other [01:47] thanks kwwii!!! [01:47] ;-) [01:47] see you [01:47] ttyl === viper550 [n=main@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [03:05] Man, can't wait to hear who my theme team is! [03:39] what? [03:42] is it just me or do some people who chat in here seem like they need some serious chemical alignments? [03:42] oh kwwii [03:42] ping [03:44] kwwii is passed out ;) [03:44] whats up troy_s [03:44] you got some pimpage on the MarketingTeam Meeting Minutes email today ;) [03:46] huh? [03:47] i added some content to the launchpad howto at the wiki -- because i probably should have done that sooner. [03:47] good deal [03:47] nixternal, hopefully you guys can really get some good coordination going. [03:48] do you have the art team setup as a "Project" on the launchpad? [03:48] hrm? [03:48] in order to do specs, they have to be created on a "Project", "Program", or "Distribution" [03:48] ahh yes... [03:48] well our specs target packages [03:48] generally [03:48] ya, that is true [03:49] but if you have a wiki page or howto or something, i certainly will look at it. [03:49] whereas the marketing team wouldn't [03:49] that is why i was thinking a "Marketing" Project [03:49] and everything will fall under that [03:49] indeed... it is a _little_ different, but the generalities of launchpad can benefit almost every team. 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[06:05] don't know [06:05] it was the devil in me [06:05] how you doing mad? [06:06] how's doc team progressing Madpilot ? [06:06] slow right now [06:06] how come? [06:07] we're waiting for the source of the official Ubuntu book to be released, so we can incorporate it into our onscreen docs [06:07] ah. [06:07] the one from prentice hall? [06:08] yes [06:08] it's going to be "open sourced" just after it's paper publication [06:08] interesting. [06:08] so what is currently cooking in doc land? [06:09] anything interesting? [06:09] a Switching From Windows guide, which is nice to have [06:09] yes... [06:10] i always thought it would be nice to have a 'what you can do out of box with ubuntu' [06:10] as opposed to the traditional 'how do i do this that i used to do in windows' garbage. [06:10] like streaming ogg classical, edit photos, etc. [06:10] out of box, the ubuntu experience is pretty darn impressive, it just takes a little doc spin. [06:11] ya [06:12] does the doc team use launchpad yet to track projects or accept braindumps? [06:12] not really, we've always just used the mailing list, and our SVN repo [06:13] too bad. [06:13] it seems to work, we got a decent set of docs out for Dapper [06:18] there are specs for doc things already though. just kind of curious why there wouldn't be officially tracked specs. [07:05] moin [08:29] waky, you know, you could just set your away status in your IRC client, quietly, and not spam channels with useless nick changing... === jimmac_ [n=jimmac@dsl-tn-1-249.static.adsl.vol.cz] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [08:52] http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Bzr-logo.svg [09:03] nice to see someone trying to help newz. 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[04:19] I knew once, but apparently forgot === SS2 [n=SS2@dslb-084-057-047-062.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [04:52] duh [04:52] me be dumb === SS3 [n=SS2@dslb-084-057-029-084.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Viper550 [n=main@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:10] I've finally decided to use xchat-gnome instead of Konversation [05:13] hehe === kwwii_ still uses konversation [05:13] Yeah, much nicer, and I don't have to mess with kcontrol to make it look good in Gnome [05:13] but I used xchat for a long time [05:14] Is the "real" xchat nicer? [05:15] well, it doesn't fit well into any desktop, but it works great :-) [05:15] It's GTK, right? [05:17] yepp [05:17] erm, no, I do not think it is [05:21] it's gtk, not but not gnome [05:22] yeah, exactly [05:22] s/not but/but/ [05:22] but that means it uses GTK themes, so it matches (in a way) [05:23] Does it look good with Ubuntulooks? [05:23] yes it matches quite well imho === kwwii_ is off to shop for dinner...bbl === Viper550 [n=viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:27] Now using X-Chat [05:30] I just figured out the meaning of Xchat-Gnome === Viper550 [n=viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Leaving"] === Viper550 [n=viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Viper550 [n=viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Leaving"] === Viper550 [n=viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [06:26] Does this channel deal with every Ubuntu fork? === Viper550 [n=viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Leaving"] [06:37] kwwii_: should use irssi [06:37] so much nicer and dead simple :-) [06:50] yeah, no doubt [06:50] i used it for years, actually [07:00] i quite like it [07:23] when I was loggin into my server to chat (and leaving that running all the time) it was great === andreasn [n=andreas@h44n2fls34o839.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === SS2 [n=SS2@dslb-084-057-051-163.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === SS2 [n=SS2@dslb-084-057-045-241.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === mhb [n=martin@162.43.broadband7.iol.cz] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p54957307.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Konversation] === newz2000 [n=matt@12-216-147-124.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p54957307.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:11] kwwii, perfect timing [10:11] I just popped in to see if you were here [10:11] :-) [10:11] http://bzr.newz.gotdns.com/htdocs/new/BZR%20Concept2006-07-14-1.svg [10:11] There's my concept for bzr === Viper550 [n=viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:12] Hello [10:12] hi [10:13] Does anyone here use Xubuntu? [10:13] kwwii: I'm kind of thinking about taking the yellow part of the logo out and making the orange part yellow. [10:13] But I don't have a tremendous eye for color [10:13] hehe, that looks pretty nice [10:13] Anyone here deal with Xubuntu artwork? [10:13] I want to be bold, but sometimes I'm just not gutsy enough [10:13] yeah, maybe yellow only would look nicer [10:14] it would look more proffesional [10:14] I'll try it [10:14] http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=42515 Made it myself [10:14] Viper550: not many people responding, are they? :o) [10:15] I see [10:15] Does inkscape have the concept of creating slices like photoshop? [10:15] Define "creating slices" [10:15] newz2000: nope [10:16] Viper550: not many people here are using it, AFAIK [10:16] slices are where you use guides to mark out parts of art that will be saved as separate images [10:16] Not many people using Xubuntu [10:16] Viper550: haven't used XFCE since 3.0 came out [10:16] Viper550: artists need powerful machines [10:17] "what? You've only got one core?" [10:17] :-D [10:17] That's why I have begun contributing art to Xubuntu, not many people are wanting to do so [10:17] Viper550: the trouble is that most people are here for Ubuntu [10:18] Viper550: with only a few exceptions [10:18] kwwii_: http://bzr.newz.gotdns.com/htdocs/new/BZR%20Concept2006-07-14-2.svg [10:18] the previous one is there. [10:18] it's a -1 instad of -2 at the end [10:18] I trust your eye for color, which do you like better? [10:20] newz2000: perhaps the line around the outside should be a bit thicker? (take the old orange version of that part and make it yellow)? [10:20] Yes, I agree [10:22] kwwii_ are you using inkscape or illustrator? [10:22] newz2000: both :-) [10:22] I try to use inkscape as much as possible [10:24] using inkscape I just added a 2px yellow stroke to the outer path and it looks a bit better I think [10:24] ah, thats how you do that [10:24] well, in illustrator I would offset the path [10:24] which I actually like better because I can add rounding, etc, :-) [10:25] I thought I knew what you meant, but it didn't work out. I've about got it the manual way of splitting the two logos and combining the parts from each that I like [10:25] I dig the grey boxes...the text looks nice on it [10:26] newz2000: that will work too :-) [10:27] if you open it in inkscape and click on the yellow line on the outside (the rotated squarish thing) and then give it a stroke (in the fill and stroke dialogue) [10:27] enter two pixels and make the stroke color yellow :-) [10:28] Got it [10:28] Oh, wait. [10:28] It stroked the middle part too [10:29] ungroup them [10:29] It says its not a group [10:29] did you break it into paths? [10:29] ahh shit [10:29] I just noticed that [10:29] hrm, then I would split the path [10:29] That's OK, I did the other way [10:29] erm, but that fscks it up [10:30] ok, let me try spliting it [10:30] break it apart [10:30] and then select only the two paths that made that path [10:31] and then combine them [10:31] than add the stroke again [10:31] yeah, that works, I just did it [10:32] OK, so when I do that I get what looks like to filled diamons [10:32] hehe [10:32] let me send you the version I just did [10:32] ? [10:32] ok [10:32] wait, I got it [10:32] :-) [10:32] I forgot to combine them. Once I did that it worked [10:33] :-) [10:33] cool === jd_ [n=jd@wikipedia/Meanos] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:33] I really don't use vectors often [10:33] Well, I will be now. [10:34] I can't get my photoshop working in Dapper. It pukes on some fonts === kwwii [n=kwwii@194.121.21.240] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:34] newz2000: you can get msfonts (from easyubuntu) [10:34] I think I have too many fonts actually. === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p54957307.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Konversation] [10:35] It worked then I realized I was missing my fonts, so installed them into gnome. [10:35] That was the last time photoshop ran. [10:35] Interestingly, image ready works fine. [10:35] hehe [10:35] that is really funky [10:36] yeah [10:36] Now if there only was a way to maintain layers when transfering betwen inkscape and imageready [10:37] then again, I somehow got all of my adobe products to *only* open files from the file open dialogue [10:37] inkscape should have slices implemented :-) [10:37] yeah, this weekend I'll add it to their list. [10:38] I talked to them and they've about got blur working [10:38] They say it works but is murder on the renderer. I don't know what that means [10:38] except that they must not be 100% happy with it yet. [10:38] funny, it should not be too hard [10:38] well, I guess doing it on live objects is something else [10:39] I figure once we have blur then things like drop shadows and outer glow will be a piece of cake. [10:39] yepp,definitely [10:39] I have hard coded stuff like that before, it works great [10:41] you added the filters to the xml? [10:42] yepp [10:42] svg supports most of them already [10:42] well, it supports blur [10:42] Did you have problems finding a viewer to see the end result? [10:42] and the other things are just matrice stuff on the color channels, etc. [10:42] nope, batick does it great [10:43] oh, I remember batick. [10:43] http://bzr.newz.gotdns.com/htdocs/new/BZR%20Concept2006-07-14-4.svg [10:43] that has the 2px stroke on the outside only [10:44] I like that the logo you made is so much more uniform than mine, but not so uniform that it looks rigid and angular. [10:45] hehe, thanks [10:45] I liked the way it has a natural feel to it...it makes it friendly [10:46] I agree [10:46] The bzr folk like it too. [10:46] hehe [10:47] hrm, the stroke is only 1px in that version [10:47] oh yeah [10:47] I think it might look a bit better with 2 [10:47] or 1.5 or such [10:47] no, it was 1 [10:47] I forgot that I abanded my broken apart one [10:47] since it is not aligned perfectly to a grid a strange pixel size for the stroke shouldn't matter [10:48] yeah [10:48] When rasterizing, some of the strokes on my graphics come out looking fuzzy. [10:48] There must be a trick to sizing those just right so they don't have that problem [10:49] 2.000 looks good btw. [10:49] I updated the graphic on that link [10:49] I just dumped a coke on my computer, one second [10:49] uh oh [10:50] sdfghzki [10:50] ok [10:51] better now [10:51] it is an emac [10:51] these things have the most amazing keyboards [10:51] you cannot fsck them up [10:51] amazing [10:51] and it is one big fully contained box, so nothing can get into it === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:51] we need computers like on star trek. All voice controlled. [10:52] that would make artwork really hard [10:52] (and you thought telling me how to fix the stroke was tricky) [10:52] or really easy [10:52] we need better tools [10:52] so kwwii won't need illustrator [10:52] tell your computer to "increase stroke to XML ID 4239842987 to 2 pixels and make it tango yellow" [10:53] and then you say "now it says something about them being connected paths????" [10:53] yeah, and left a little [10:53] I think I will stick to a decent GUI for now [10:54] me too [10:55] newz2000: nice mockup [10:55] thanks [10:56] If you think it looks cool now, you should have seen it before the first round of revisions [10:56] :D [10:56] Can I get an amen? [10:57] amen! [10:57] phew. I thought my works might be the only ones that get slaughtered [10:57] might I suggest one more change? [10:57] yes, please [10:57] the logo is also used in the bg of the box that says "learn bazaar" [10:58] perhaps you could make that more transparent and/or white and more transparent? [10:58] and it should be the exact same logo as above [10:58] "learn bazaar", shouldn't that read "learn about bazaar"? [10:58] ah. You think its a little too bold for the background there? [10:58] yepp [10:59] or if you leave it as is, at least use the same version as the one directly above it [10:59] andreasn: yeah, it could be. I've been trying to avoid it though. [10:59] kwwii, I'll do both. Switch that logo out and make it lighter somehow. [11:00] newz2000: you might have to make the yellow lighter, instead of adding transparency [11:00] not sure [11:00] yeah, the transparency made it muddy gray [11:01] Lighter makes it almost radiant though, so it will need a little of both [11:01] aloha, newz2000, kwwii. [11:01] howdy jenda [11:01] newz2000: I managed to create the bzr branch ;) [11:01] howdy jenda [11:01] Full of spreadubuntu art now :) [11:01] jenda: I started a wiki page with a few marketing things [11:01] kwwii: linky? [11:01] jenda, you'll have to tell me how you did it, or point me towards the docs that taught you [11:01] the banner I made for canonical, a flyer I made for kubuntu, and more is coming [11:02] jenda: wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Marketing [11:02] newz2000: I was guided, so I'll rather tell you :) [11:03] Do you have time now or would you like to do it some other time? [11:03] kwwii: what's the difference between that and DIYMarketing ? [11:03] newz2000: now's good, if you like ;) [11:03] Sure [11:03] I'll have to scrounge my memory... [11:03] it's done from the terminal, not LP [11:04] Do you have ssh key taht LP recognises? [11:04] jenda: well, only the banners have been officially approved so far [11:04] yes [11:04] kwwii: by whom? [11:04] jenda: so I saw that as a place to put things before they go onto the DIY [11:04] jenda: Jane approved them (with others, I guess) and canonical paid for them to be made [11:05] OK... [11:05] you must understand, that those banners are two meters high and 80cm wide, so nobody else is going to print them [11:05] newz2000: cd to your directory, the one you want branched. [11:06] kwwii: yes yes, I understand. But I'm 95% certain you don't need approval to include stuff in DIYMarketing. [11:06] newz2000: type bzr init-repo --trees [11:06] jenda: really? wow...I was afraid to simply add them there [11:07] requires argument location [11:07] gah [11:07] Don't sweat it [11:08] make it bzr init :) [11:08] sorry [11:08] then 'bzr add' [11:08] ok, that worked [11:08] now you publish it [11:09] do you want it to be a team-accessible branch, or just you? [11:09] (write access) [11:09] Well, I haven't created a spec for this project yet [11:09] Does it get associated with the spec? [11:10] nope [11:10] only a group [11:10] oh [11:10] you can associate it with a bug, I think ;) [11:10] I might need to do some more planning before I do this then. [11:10] But I can version my changes locally wtih this? [11:11] yes [11:11] well you can do one to try it out :) that's what i did by accident. It's still there, marked abandoned, and they disappear, supposedly. [11:11] (so they say ;) ) [11:12] ok [11:12] Anyway, the command is: bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~// [11:12] can be you or a team [11:13] is the project it should be under... lemme think.. umm [11:13] newz2000: I played with that box a bit...http://bootsplash.org/next_idea.svg [11:13] made the logo much bigger and clipped it by the box [11:14] right, newz2000, you need to register a product for the branch to go with. [11:14] kwwii: good idea [11:14] PRODUCT, not project, sorry about that ;) [11:14] Yeah, I've got a product [11:14] ubuntu-website [11:15] OK, good enough :) [11:15] I'm going to wait to do that for a bit [11:15]