[02:01] <jsgotangco> good mornin
[02:02] <theCore> good evening ;)
[02:04] <Burgwork> hello all
[02:09] <nixternal> well hello there ;)
[03:43] <nixternal> hey, that guy printed out the poster i showed you all last night/yesterday...he said it turned out fine, and that nothing was pixelated..i think i lucked out with the skyline image on that one
[03:59] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: 1-2 seconds is hardly "slow" ;)
[03:59] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: yes it is
[03:59] <Burgundavia> when I am getting up to go the washroom, it is
[04:00] <jsgotangco> no its not you hardly notice a second passing by unless you're really not doing anything
[04:00] <Burgundavia> except when IT SHOULDN'T TAKE THAT LONG!!!!
[04:00] <Burgundavia> on my FC4 box it takes me one click
[04:00] <Burgundavia> not click ..... wait .... click
[04:00] <jsgotangco> i tink its overreacting..but i do agree that the lock menu should come back
[04:01] <Burgundavia> it is annoying
[04:01] <Burgundavia> it shows lack of polish, by not looking at real world use cases
[04:03] <jsgotangco> it does get annoying and #3 is very true
[04:05] <theCore> Burgundavia: what is slow?
[04:06] <Burgundavia> theCore: launching the logout dialog
[04:06] <theCore> Burgundavia: I agree
[04:07] <theCore> Burgundavia: it should pop right away
[04:09] <theCore> Burgundavia: what is the program name?
[04:09] <Burgundavia> for which, the logout dialog
[04:09] <Burgundavia> ?
[04:09] <Burgundavia> gnome-session
[04:10] <theCore> for the logout dialog
[04:10] <theCore> it's gnome-session? I thought gnome-session was the session config box...
[04:11] <Burgundavia> yep
[04:11] <Burgundavia> it is both
[04:13] <theCore> How could I launch the logout dialog from command line?
[04:13] <Burgundavia> no idea
[04:16] <theCore> Burgundavia: then, do you know where the python script for it is stored?
[04:16] <Burgundavia> look at the listing of files for gnome-session
[04:16] <Burgundavia> it will tell you
[04:20] <theCore> nope, nothing
[04:20] <theCore> expect the images for it'
[04:21] <theCore> except*
[04:22] <Burgundavia> theCore: it is there
[04:23] <Burgundavia> theCore: ask vuntz, he can tell you
[04:23] <theCore> `dpkg -L gnome-session | xargs file',  doesn't show me anything
[06:25] <nixternal> better
[06:51] <jsgotangco> http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/07/13/coors.arrest.ap/index.html
[06:51] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:35] <Laser_away> Burgundavia: bah, I didn't know I was in -devel
[07:35] <Burgundavia> Laser_away: that you are
[07:35] <Laser_away> I hate it when I got spouting of in -devel when I don't know it
[07:35] <Laser_away> oh well
[07:36] <Laser_away> Burgundavia: I had a question about DM for you
[07:36] <Burgundavia> shoot
[07:36] <Laser_away> Burgundavia: I was wondering if it really should be in the new -commercial repo?
[07:36] <Burgundavia> hmm
[07:36] <Burgundavia> I don't think so
[07:37] <jsgotangco> hey
[07:37] <Laser_away> I just wondered
[07:37] <Burgundavia> we are trying to get it more widely used
[07:37] <LaserJock> sure
[07:37] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: nothing
[07:37] <LaserJock> what? me? nooooo
[07:37] <Burgundavia> hmm, still haven't had a press release on that
[07:37] <Burgundavia> I will bug tim/malc tomorrow on that
[07:37] <LaserJock> we already did the sinister stuff :-)
[07:38] <jsgotangco> i see
[07:38] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: I'm really liking kalzium's data, they use xml and have a whole chemistry glossary
[07:39] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/multiverse/d/desktop-multiplier/
[07:39] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco: very cool
[07:39] <jsgotangco> mostly glade stuff though
[07:39] <jsgotangco> desktop multiplier?
[07:39] <jsgotangco> Userful's Virtualized X-Server (Trial Version)
[07:40] <LaserJock> yep
[07:40] <jsgotangco> intereesting
[07:40] <Burgundavia> LaserJock was paid to package it
[07:40] <jsgotangco> wow
[07:41] <LaserJock> it was interesting
[07:41] <jsgotangco> Pakete: desktop-multiplier
[07:41] <jsgotangco> Bago: oo
[07:41] <jsgotangco> Katayuan: hindi naka-instol
[07:41] <jsgotangco> Bersyon: 2.2-3-0ubuntu1
[07:41] <jsgotangco> Prioridad: optional
[07:41] <LaserJock> woah
[07:41] <jsgotangco> Tagapamahala: Userful Corporation <support@userful.com>
[07:41] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:41] <LaserJock> I let them deal with the bugs ;-)
[07:41] <jsgotangco> opppss i was in my locale sorry
[07:41] <Burgundavia> no worries, we can figure it out
[07:41] <Burgundavia> :)
[07:42] <jsgotangco> so its basically like rdp?
[07:42] <Burgundavia> no
[07:42] <jsgotangco> wait bad comparison
[07:42] <Burgundavia> multihead/multiseat X
[07:42] <jsgotangco> yeah
[07:43] <Burgundavia> try it
[07:43] <Burgundavia> however, it might screwup
[07:43] <Burgundavia> my laptop just crashes constantly with it
[07:43] <jsgotangco> so basically i need to have at least 2 video cards right?
[07:43] <jsgotangco> and of course, two keyboards and stuff
[07:43] <Burgundavia> nope
[07:43] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: does it do it with RHEL?
[07:43] <Burgundavia> only one multihead one will work
[07:44] <Burgundavia> we use Fedora
[07:44] <jsgotangco> usb devices work?
[07:44] <jsgotangco> usb kb/mouse
[07:44] <Burgundavia> yep
[07:44] <jsgotangco> interesting
[07:44] <Burgundavia> hmm, you might need to patch gnome-vfs
[07:45] <Burgundavia> http://openuserful.sourceforge.net/wiki/in
[07:45] <Burgundavia> http://openuserful.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Patches
[07:45] <jsgotangco> the problem is
[07:46] <jsgotangco> all machines at work at em64t with 64bit kernels installed
[07:46] <jsgotangco> i guess it should work
[07:46] <Burgundavia> ah
[07:46] <Burgundavia> ours is closed source crap, sadly
[07:46] <Burgundavia> I am working on them to open source at least the X stuff
[07:46] <jsgotangco> that would be neat
[07:46] <jsgotangco> but then i might not be able to test much here since im bound to a new job in a month
[07:47] <LaserJock> yeah, I hope that getting the trial version in Ubuntu gets them leaning in the open source direction
[07:47] <Burgundavia> heh
[07:47] <Burgundavia> where are you headed?
[07:47] <LaserJock> yeah
[07:48] <jsgotangco> a foundation for a tv network
[07:48] <jsgotangco> joining to spearhead an adoption project for schools
[07:48] <Burgundavia> very cool
[07:48] <jsgotangco> and connect them to the net
[07:48] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: have you ever administered a mediawiki wiki?
[07:48] <jsgotangco> most schools down south have very bad student-computer ratio
[07:49] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: somewhat
[07:49] <Burgundavia> what sort of issue are you having?
[07:50] <LaserJock> I'm trying to figure out access restrictions for this wiki I made for my dept.
[07:51] <LaserJock> and just general customization
[07:51] <jsgotangco> its basically a one or all approach
[07:51] <Burgundavia> there are good docs on mediawiki.org
[07:51] <jsgotangco> done everyting in the Local setting file
[07:51] <Burgundavia> you can restrict certain people to viewing certain namespaces
[07:51] <Burgundavia> ie: only admins can view a certain namespace
[07:51] <LaserJock> it appears that currently anybody can sign up for an account on the wiki
[07:51] <Burgundavia> thinking about doing that for a roleplaying game
[07:52] <jsgotangco> you can disable that
[07:52] <Burgundavia> you can restrict that too
[07:52] <jsgotangco> and make only the admin create the account
[07:52] <Burgundavia> observe wiki.userful.ca
[07:52] <jsgotangco> the only thing about mediawiki is that is has relatively weak user management
[07:53] <Burgundavia> yes
[07:53] <jsgotangco> editng the user/password tables is like asking for a brutal axe massacre to happen
[07:53] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: so could I make an account on wiki.userful.ca or does and administrator have to do that?
[07:53] <Burgundavia> nope, administrator has todo that
[07:53] <Burgundavia> try
[07:54] <LaserJock> k
[07:54] <LaserJock> that looks like somewhat what I want to do
[07:55] <LaserJock> I don't mind everybody reading stuff (except a couple internal pages) but I only want like 10 people to be able to edit
[07:55] <jsgotangco> yep
[07:55] <jsgotangco> you can just lock the pages
[07:55] <jsgotangco> are they a lot of pages?
[07:56] <LaserJock> well, I haven't made any yet ;-)
[07:56] <LaserJock> I'm just getting it set up
[07:56] <LaserJock> this is a grad student organization
[07:56] <jsgotangco> yeah let's say you just want to lock the frontpage for admins to edit you can do that
[07:56] <jsgotangco> that's how mediawiki does it
[07:57] <jsgotangco> then just create templates and stuff for other people to edit so that it reflects the frontpage
[07:57] <LaserJock> too bad moin didn't pull through, I'm more familiar with it
[07:57] <LaserJock> I don't know PHP
[07:57] <jsgotangco> its pretty good for presentation-level data
[07:58] <LaserJock> I think it'll work out ok, it's just the learning curve will be a bit steaper for me
[07:58] <LaserJock> the sysadmin seems to know what he's doing WRT the mysql database
[08:05] <LaserJock> ok, I gotta get to bed, I found a good page on the mediawiki wiki
[08:38] <Burgundavia> hey robitaille
[08:39] <robitaille> Hi Burgundavia 
[08:39] <Burgundavia> night all
[09:16] <jsgotangco> morning!
[09:37] <jenda> morning.
[09:37] <jenda> jsgotangco: what was that earlier?
[09:37] <jenda> There's about 2 megs of data there, graphics.
[09:37] <jsgotangco> ?
[09:37] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[09:38] <jsgotangco> no i was bitching how slow bzr+lp can get
[09:38] <jsgotangco> =D
[12:29] <joachim-n> hi
[06:23] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[06:27] <nixternal> well hello there everyone!!!
[06:28] <LaserJock> hi nixternal 
[06:28] <nixternal> well hello there sir
[06:32] <jsgotangco> hi nixternal
[06:32] <jsgotangco> goodnight nixternal
[06:32] <nixternal> hiya jsgotangco
[06:32] <nixternal> hahah
[06:32] <nixternal> i thought i seen that somewhere
[06:32] <nixternal> nite jsgotangco
[06:34] <LaserJock> went to my first LUG meeting last night :-)
[06:34] <nixternal> and?
[06:34] <jsgotangco> did they offer you their virgins?
[06:34] <LaserJock> no
[06:34] <LaserJock> it was fun
[06:34] <LaserJock> we talked about Python and Xen
[06:35] <jsgotangco> pfftt
[06:35] <jsgotangco> in our LUG we just get drunk
[06:35] <nixternal> haha 
[06:35] <jsgotangco> because we're too sick of talking tech
[06:35] <LaserJock> it was cool though, a fair amount of Debian/Ubuntu users with some Gentoo/BSD thrown in
[06:35] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: oh, the drinking was afterwards
[06:35] <nixternal> the LUG's here all seem to be FC, SuSe, and Slackware
[06:35] <LaserJock> although I had to skip it to get home at a decent hour
[06:36] <nixternal> with a few Debian users, and then ME!!!
[06:36] <LaserJock> yikes
[06:36] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: one of the guys works for the school district
[06:37] <jsgotangco> err okay
[06:37] <LaserJock> he's wanting to get Linux into the schools here
[06:37] <LaserJock> I'll have to work on him ;-)
[06:38] <nixternal> speaking of linux in schools, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom   you guys need to teach ;)
[06:39] <LaserJock> hah
[06:39] <LaserJock> what can I teach
[06:39] <LaserJock> "this is how irssi+screen can rule IRC"
[06:39] <nixternal> i think hybrid is on that one ;)
[06:39] <pygi> LaserJock, :)
[06:39] <LaserJock> "GUI no more, just use a terminal"
[06:39] <nixternal> you can do the laser ;)
[06:40] <LaserJock> hehe
[06:40] <pygi> !!!
[06:40] <nixternal> mini-me, stop humping the laser ;)
[06:40] <LaserJock> how I can control the laser using Debian Sarge+ some C
[06:40] <LaserJock> nixternal: yeah, we have a no laser-humping policy
[06:40] <LaserJock> ;-)
[06:41] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:41] <jsgotangco> jeezz
[06:41] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: sorry
[06:42] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:42] <trappist> LaserJock: irssi + screen + bitlbee = chat nirvana
[06:42] <jsgotangco> with bitlbee i agree
[06:42] <nixternal> there is one "chat client" that bitlbee is missing right?
[06:42] <nixternal> otherwise it is fully loaded
[06:42] <LaserJock> it's just there is only 3 movies that come to mind when you talk about lasers :-)
[06:43] <nixternal> i know them too
[06:43] <nixternal> i know 1 of them
[06:43] <nixternal> the young scientist
[06:43] <trappist> nixternal: add jabber to the mix and you're probably covered
[06:43] <nixternal> where they pop popcorn in the professor's house
[06:43] <nixternal> ya, i need to get back over to irssi and fire up the bitlbee
[06:44] <trappist> real genius
[06:44] <jsgotangco> digging through my old HD, i just found my 100+ song strong KISS MP3s
[06:44] <nixternal> ya
[06:44] <nixternal> lol
[06:44] <nixternal> i couldn't remember the name
[06:44] <nixternal> with val kilmer
[06:44] <LaserJock> I don't get the point of bitlbee
[06:44] <trappist> LaserJock: lets you use your irc client to chat on msn, yahoo, aim, icq, etc.
[06:44] <LaserJock> and that's useful because ...?
[06:45] <LaserJock> :-)
[06:45] <trappist> so I don't have to run irssi *and* gaim.
[06:45] <nixternal> well, with bitlbee, can't you connect any irc client to it really?  as it doesn't have to be irssi, because it acts kind of like an irc server right?
[06:45] <trappist> nixternal: right.
[06:45] <jsgotangco> you just use it in one console interface
[06:45] <LaserJock> I don't use IM so I guess that's why I'm not really impressed
[06:45] <LaserJock> but I get the idea
[06:45] <jsgotangco> that's so uncool...no IM
[06:46] <jsgotangco> go back and hump the laser
[06:46] <LaserJock> why would I use IM, I've got IRC
[06:46] <jsgotangco> because i like talking to teenagers?
[06:46] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:46] <jsgotangco> haha
[06:46] <nixternal> the only reason i have im is family (which are all skype now) and because there are people in the forums and online that can't get on irc, so i give them the option of the other chat clients to get in contact for help
[06:46] <LaserJock> hmm, most of my family doesn't even email
[06:47] <nixternal> lol
[06:47] <jsgotangco> one of my rather "interesting" friends is on AIM so
[06:47] <trappist> most of my friends don't even know what irc is :/
[06:47] <jsgotangco> that happens most of the time
[06:47] <LaserJock> I hate to say it but pretty much my only friends are on IRC
[06:47] <trappist> losers.  all the cool guys are on irc ALL DAY.
[06:48] <jsgotangco> you'd be lucky if you still have friends in ICQ
[06:48] <jsgotangco> or cursed
[06:48] <trappist> I once knew a guy who used icq.
[06:48] <LaserJock> who has time for friends, we're supposed to be working on Ubuntu
[06:49] <jsgotangco> it must be a sad thing to be able to see your friends every 6 months only
[06:49] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:49] <LaserJock> probably not even that
[06:49] <jsgotangco> or worse a year
[06:49] <jsgotangco> or probably not at all after
[06:49] <jsgotangco> lol
[06:50] <LaserJock> well, I get to visit my family once a year
[06:50] <LaserJock> or so
[06:50] <LaserJock> but who's got time
[06:51] <LaserJock> It's Ubuntu, work, eat, sleep, repeat
[06:51] <LaserJock> or rather, Ubuntu, work, Ubuntu, eat, Ubuntu, sleep, repeat ;-)
[06:52] <jsgotangco> hmm somethings missing
[06:52] <nixternal> !classroom
[06:52] <jsgotangco> where does the marital responsibilities fit in
[06:52] <LaserJock> probably should have some more Ubuntu's in there
[06:52] <nixternal> guess it don't work here ;)
[06:53] <jsgotangco> oohh jeezz i can't believe i listed to this crap before
[06:54] <jsgotangco> "I'm a six foot hot look all american man"
[06:54] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: oh sure, every now and then I have to close the laptop and listen to here for a while
[06:54] <LaserJock> ugggg
[06:54] <jsgotangco> KISS Alive II
[06:54] <jsgotangco> h
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[06:54] <jsgotangco> doh
[06:54] <jsgotangco> haha
[06:59] <jsgotangco> in a way its fun listening to old stuff you used to dig before
[07:00] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: does it seem a lot lamer then you remember it being?
[07:01] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: that always happens to me. I'm like "Oh, that song rocked. It was like my favorite" and then I listen to it and I think "Man, this song stinks"
[07:01] <jsgotangco> well if you've been following music since high school, you'll notice songs back then were silly but nonetheless happier than today's rock bands
[07:02] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: yeah, a lot more of jbailey's angst these days ;-)
[07:02] <jsgotangco> like during the mid 80s, i'm pretty much a trash metal sort of guy
[07:02] <jsgotangco> and i was barely in high school
[07:04] <jsgotangco> but thank god i never found spandex cool even back then
[07:08] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: haha, that would have been hilarious
[07:27] <jsgotangco> hmm i didn't know BenC was DPL before
[07:28] <crimsun> :)
[07:28] <crimsun> there are a few interviews with him as DPL
[07:29] <jsgotangco> well its like i just finished high school when he became DPL so
[07:29] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:29] <crimsun> there you go making me feel old again
[07:30] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:31] <jsgotangco> i just read the interview and i imagine him saying that while smoking a stick of marlboro red lol
[09:24] <nixternal> jjesse must be a busy man lately ;)
[09:35] <joachim-n> hi
[09:36] <nixternal> hi there
[09:37] <LaserJock> hi nixternal 
[09:37] <nixternal> well hello mr. LaserJock
[09:37] <LaserJock> nixternal: have you tried getting a list on lists.ubuntu.com?
[09:37] <nixternal> lol...i just now emailed jdub about one for Chicago
[09:38] <LaserJock> I've got ubuntu-science externally hosted because my general impression was that they didn't want to have too many "offical" lists running around
[09:39] <nixternal> i wouldn't doubt it, but every other loco has one there, so that is why i went, plus it is listed on the loco page to get one through ubuntu ;)
[09:39] <LaserJock> LoCos should certainly be ok, that's a part of being an "offical" LoCO
[09:39] <LaserJock> or is that offically loco
[09:39] <LaserJock> :-)
[09:39] <nixternal> well. you would think anything "Ubuntu" would be ok
[09:39] <nixternal> loco ;)
[09:40] <nixternal> see now, i just add everyone of my guys into a list in kontact, so when i email i get a good 8" header ;)
[09:40] <nixternal> and the replies are horrid
[09:40] <LaserJock> hehe
[09:41] <nixternal> if i don't get nothing this week, i will have to have it hosted externally i guess
[09:41] <LaserJock> I keep seeing more and more US LoCos poping up, eventually there is bound to be one I can join :-)
[09:41] <nixternal> im getting chi.ubuntu-us.com web hosting via Ubuntu now
[09:41] <nixternal> create it ;)
[09:41] <nixternal> i don't think you are busy enough
[09:41] <LaserJock> bah, I don't have time for it.
[09:42] <LaserJock> I just made my first LUG meeting last night, one step at a time dude ;-)
[09:42] <nixternal> lol
[09:43] <LaserJock> I finally listened to my buntudot.org interview yesterday, I sound really weird. I hate listening to a recording of my voice
[09:43] <LaserJock> it sound so different
[09:44] <nixternal> i agree with you
[09:44] <nixternal> you do sound weird
[09:44] <nixternal> ;)
[09:45] <crimsun> you got noosed^H^Hinterviewed? nice.
[09:46] <LaserJock> haha
[09:47] <LaserJock> it was fun, I enjoyed it, but next time imbrandon needs to pick a topic, I can't think off the top of my head *and* sound half-way intelligent at the same time ;-)
[09:47] <nixternal> haha i know the feeling
[09:47] <crimsun> ah but that's what getting a doctoral degree teaches you to do
[09:47] <nixternal> usually it is just imbrandon talking..you and i just go.. uh huh...ya,  well...ummm ummm ya...ohh..cool
[09:47] <LaserJock> yeah, nothing like orals
[09:47] <nixternal> lol
[09:48] <nixternal> crimsun, one of these days, let me finish my masters first, then it is on to the doctorate
[09:48] <nixternal> i have to hurry, as im getting older and i gotta finish it before my GI bills run out
[09:48] <LaserJock> bah, skip the masters and go straight for the doctorate
[09:49] <nixternal> no no..got my BS in CS ;)   and Im getting my MBA
[09:49] <crimsun> that only works if you stay in the same discipline, generally
[09:49] <nixternal> then either my Doctorate in either CS or EE
[09:50] <nixternal> the MBA would be the onlything outside of my discipline
[09:50] <LaserJock> crimsun: hehe, I have a B.A. in Environmental Science and am gitting my PhD in Physical Chemistry
[09:50] <crimsun> that's essentially the same discipline
[09:51] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:51] <LaserJock> I had an emphasis in chemistry
[09:51] <nixternal> wow
[09:51] <nixternal> i couldn't take another Chem or EnvSci class if i had to
[09:51] <LaserJock> hehe
[09:51] <nixternal> i can't remember any of the EnvSci stuff either
[09:51] <nixternal> zone of leaching
[09:51] <nixternal> something with that
[09:51] <nixternal> garbage dumps
[09:52] <nixternal> haha
[09:52] <LaserJock> blah blah save the earth blah blah :-)
[09:52] <nixternal> lol
[09:52] <nixternal> exactly
[09:52] <nixternal> tree huggers
[09:52] <nixternal> ;)
[09:52] <nixternal> god's gonna save the earth by getting rid of us all
[09:53] <crimsun> nuh uh, there are lots of interesting topics. for instance, an ex-gf is doing research into chlorides w/ charlie zender at UCI. coincidentially, charlie zender is a Ubuntu user.
[09:53] <nixternal> he is gonna throw a dart at his calendar and pick a day to begin his version of "etchnic" cleansing
[09:53] <nixternal> etchnic ey
[09:54] <LaserJock> crimsun: it is actually cool stuff, I wasn't intersted when i first started (it was the only chemistry related degree at my school) but I got into it as time went on
[09:54] <nixternal> i got interested in the various systems, the hydrosomething or other, how it is in constant motion all around you, and you see it all the time, you just don't realise it
[09:55] <nixternal> and water tables were interesting and what not
[09:56] <LaserJock> crimsun: I did a study on nitrate level in groundwater for a senior research project, actually got to present our research to county commissioner's and make public policy recommendations
[09:57] <nixternal> nice LaserJock
[09:57] <LaserJock> it was pretty cool because my school had a good working relationship with many of the local and federal agencies
[09:57] <crimsun> LaserJock: yeah, that's good stuff.
[09:57] <LaserJock> so the Forest Service would get cheap labor and we got to do real research
[09:58] <crimsun> I almost went chem for grad school but decided I really liked algorithm design more
[09:58] <LaserJock> yeah, tbh I waver a lot between Chem and CS
[09:59] <LaserJock> which is bad when you've been working for 8 years on something :-)
[09:59] <crimsun> ultimately da vinci and feynman had it right. you have to be interested in everything.
[09:59] <LaserJock> exactly
[09:59] <nixternal> so true
[10:00] <LaserJock> I've always admired the Renaissance scientists
[10:00] <nixternal> i think that is why kids these days are becoming far more intelligent then the kids of yesterday
[10:00] <nixternal> they get interested in far more activities and what not
[10:00] <LaserJock> Pascal developed at least 2 areas of science and mathematics, wrote major pieces of philosophy, all before he was 30
[10:00] <nixternal> i have a 14yo neighbor who hacks pretty darn well i might add
[10:01] <nixternal> he is good with C, python, and others, and knows his networking stuff
[10:01] <nixternal> he is always messing with my wireless stuff
[10:03] <crimsun> now (re)introduce him to milton, shakespeare, blake, whitman, keats, roy, walcott, giovanni, and so on :)
[10:03] <LaserJock> yes
[10:03] <LaserJock> I worry that kids are focusing down too early
[10:04] <LaserJock> sure they are wizards at whatever "thing" they do (or their parents push on them) but there is so much more to life
[10:05] <LaserJock> not that I really should be talking ;-)
[10:05] <nixternal> true, which is why there are more teen suicides these days then ever before...at least the dummies on tv think so...and i usually don't agree with the media on 99% of the things they say
[10:07] <nixternal> ^^ not which is why, but why i think...