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[01:51] <BenC> lamont: ping
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[02:31] <zul> hey
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[03:19] <lamont> BenC: running out for about 4 hours
[03:28] <BenC> lamont: any idea what's up with ia64's toolchain?
[03:31] <BenC> userspace stuff is failing to compile because it can't find stuff in /usr/include/ia64-linux-gnu/asm/
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[04:18] <zul> can you  overide kimagedest with kernel-package or the package name?
[04:20] <BenC> should be able to...check the manpage
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-kernel: Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | Kernel GIT tree info (updated): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelGitGuide | 2.6.17-5.7 uploaded, let's hope the new kernel-package is ok | Daily kernel builds (for debug and testing purposes only) http://people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/kernels-daily/ | Kernel Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryKernel
=== Topic (#ubuntu-kernel): set by BenC at Thu Jul 13 20:25:58 2006
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[04:42] <zul> hi mdz
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[05:34] <mdz> zul: hi
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[07:19] <lamont> BenC: dunno - I'll look into it tomorrow or this weekend
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:BenC] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | Kernel GIT tree info (updated): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelGitGuide | 2.6.17-5.9 uploaded, Jinxed, kernel-package borked everything, fixed it all up, and now we also have linux-kernel-headers | Daily kernel builds (for debug and testing purposes only) http://people.ubuntu.com/~bcollins/kernels-daily/ | Kernel Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryKernel
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[02:19] <jbailey> BenC: Oooo, cool.
[02:20] <jbailey> BenC: Lemme know when eyou're around, I'd love to talk a bit more about lkh
[02:23] <fabbione> jbailey: hey dude.. Kamion is looking for you about the mesa stuff...
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[02:46] <zul> hi
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[03:13] <jbailey> Heya Chuck
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[03:17] <zul> Hey Jeff
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[03:29] <_kylem> jeffx0r.
[03:30] <jbailey> kyled00d
[03:31] <_kylem> that's all i've got.
[03:31] <_kylem> ;-)
[03:31] <zul> jeffarino
[03:32] <zul> BenC: i have a couple of questions for you when i get back later
[03:50] <_kylem> BenC, ok. i reproduced your bug.
[03:51] <_kylem> BenC, something like this:
[03:51] <_kylem> Loading ramdisk 4516272 bytes @ 3fba0000...
[03:51] <_kylem> Branching to kernel entry point 0x00100000.  If this is the last
[03:51] <_kylem> message you see, you may need to switch your console.  This is
[03:51] <_kylem> a common symptom -- search the FAQ and mailing list at parisc-linux.org
[03:51] <_kylem> ************* SYSTEM ALERT **************
[03:54] <_kylem> BenC, i'm going to rebuild your tree with my .config and see if it's a configuration problem, or some patch you merged.
[04:12] <_kylem> BenC, my config boots fine.
[04:12] <_kylem> mostly... for some reason it didn't mount /
[04:13] <jbailey> _kylem: This is with an Ubuntu initramfs?
[04:14] <_kylem> no.
[04:14] <_kylem> i don't build modular kernels.
[04:14] <jbailey> modules are cuddly. =)
[04:15] <_kylem> jbailey, hmm. it didn't detect any of the disks at all.
[04:15] <_kylem> but sym2 got probed.
[04:15] <_kylem> curious.
[04:15] <jbailey> iirc, sym2 is heavily patched in the parisc-linux tree.
[04:16] <_kylem> hmm. true.
[04:16] <_kylem> so while i make oldconfig'd i noticed there was this 'speakup console' thing...
[04:17] <_kylem> i think if you guys have patches that muck with console support it might cause this.
[04:17] <jbailey> Yeah.  Now as it's booting you can have your machine talk to you:
[04:17] <jbailey> "On my way up!"
[04:17] <jbailey> "On my way up!"
[04:17] <_kylem> or rather, cause what benc.
[04:17] <jbailey> "Uh oh"
[04:17] <_kylem> ...
[04:17] <jbailey> "This isn't good"
[04:17] <jbailey> "FOR THELOVE OF GOD!"
[04:17] <jbailey> "You didn't need that data did you?"
[04:17] <jbailey> "Checking your filesystem."
[04:17] <jbailey> "Does CTD mean anything to you?"
[04:18] <_kylem> jbailey, fwiw, there's no sym2 patches outstanding to 2.6.18-rc1 that should effect this.
[04:18] <_kylem> jbailey, i don't know where 2.6.17 stands on this.
[04:18] <jbailey> "I can see this conversation can serve no further purpose.  Goodbye."
[05:29] <doko> BenC: please join #ubuntu-toolchain when breaking lkh. kthxbye :p
[06:04] <BenC> kylem: So you think the speakup stuff broke hppa?
[06:04] <BenC> I can certainly attempt to confirm that
[06:15] <_kylem> BenC, it's possible. i can probably build faster so i'll test it until i find it.
[06:25] <_kylem> i need to go look through the diff and look for any clues.
[07:12] <mdz> Recommended packages:
[07:12] <mdz>   BOOTLOADER
[07:12] <mdz> BenC: is that intentionally in all caps?
[07:13] <mdz> BenC: also, is 2.6.17-5.9 safe to install on the architectures where it did build successfully?
[07:21] <BenC> the kernel is safe, it's just linux-kernel-headers that is broken
[07:21] <BenC> and I've no idea about the BOOTLOADER thing
[07:22] <BenC> interesting...I forgot to fill in the bootloader stuff
[07:34] <BenC> lol
[07:35] <BenC> my screen brightness affects my keyboard backlighting
[07:35] <BenC> so if I switch to my evo desktop, the keys go black, but if I switch to my terminals (blackback ground), the keyboard lights up
[07:36] <cjb> Nice.
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[08:24] <BenC> _kylem: I almost have a build done with speakup disable, so I can test it soon
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[08:38] <BenC> mdz: let me know if 5.9 or later fixes your via problem
[08:39] <mdz> BenC: your keyboard lights up?
[08:40] <mdz> I'll boot -5.9 now and see
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[08:45] <[g2-build] > BenC, I've pulled the git tree. There used to be a newbiehow for building the kernel has that gone away ?
[08:46] <BenC> g2: see links in topic
[08:46] <BenC> mdz: Yeah, the pb has a backlight for the keyboard and sensors so it can automatically adjust to ambient light in the room
[08:47] <BenC> it even dims the lcd backlight the darker it is in the room (since it doesn't need so much contrast)
[08:51] <[g2-build] > BenC, I've got the ubuntu GIT tree from the link above, and the CategoryKernel doesn't seem to have the howto that was there a month ago or so
[08:51] <[g2-build] > clearly I'm missing something
[08:56] <BenC> oh wow
[08:57] <BenC> some ripped out my KernelCustomBuild, and moved it to help.ubuntu.com
[08:57] <BenC> so now it doesn't show under the wiki
[08:57] <BenC> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile
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[08:58] <[g2-build] > BenC, thx :)
[09:02] <BenC> I'm not sure why this page was moved to help.ubuntu.com and also removed from wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:02] <BenC> that makes no sense
[09:05] <BenC> re-added to wiki, so it's there if yu need it
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[09:37] <BenC> _kylem: rebuilt with speakup disabled, and still no luck
[09:37] <BenC> checked the code, and with it disabled, the console code is basically stock
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[09:38] <zul> crap its nearly 4 already?
[09:44] <crimsun> BenC: that wiki.uc->help.uc migration was part of the docteam stuff
[09:57] <BenC> crimsun: But the doc I had linked to other docs that were not migrated
[09:57] <BenC> so it was kind of broken
[09:57] <crimsun> lovely :/
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[10:46] <[g2-build] > bbiab
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[10:51] <[g2-build] > BenC, ok I've got my first Ubuntu kernel built :) it's stock 386 from the git tree
[10:55] <[g2-build] > do I need to build the module-init-tools from source to work around the dependency issue ?
[10:55] <[g2-build] >  linux-image-2.6.17-5-38fa6a-386 depends on module-init-tools (>= 3.2.2-3ubuntu2); however:
[10:55] <[g2-build] >   Version of module-init-tools on system is 3.2.2-1ubuntu7.
[10:56] <BenC> yeah, unless you want to upgrade libc6 with it (I assume you are running dapper)
[10:56] <[g2-build] > yeah dapper latest
[10:57] <BenC> you could just copy the blacklist-pata to /etc/modprobe.d/ and do "dpkg --force-depends -i linux-image..."
[10:58] <BenC> but proper would be to rebuild module-init-tools
[10:59] <[g2-build] > proper is good
[10:59] <[g2-build] > I'm not in a super hurry, I'd like to get thing "right"
[11:00] <[g2-build] > where do I need to point for the later version of the source ?
[11:00] <[g2-build] > getting source gets the current version :)
[11:01] <BenC> add "deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main" to /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:01] <BenC> sudo apt-get update
[11:02] <BenC> apt-get source module-init-tools
[11:02] <[g2-build] > now that you mention it it just makes too much sense :)
[11:02] <[g2-build] > thx
[11:04] <_kylem> BenC, i'll try it on another box and see if i can be more persuasive.
[11:04] <BenC> _kylem: I got a successful boot with 2.6.17.3 stock + a500_debconfig
[11:04] <BenC> trying ubuntu source + a500_defconfig 
[11:05] <_kylem> ok.
[11:07] <[g2-build] > rebooting
[11:11] <BenC> _kylem: ubuntu code + a500_defconfig gets me to a "couldn't mount root" panic, I think because scsi_mod wasn't compiled in
[11:11] <BenC> let me check the config
[11:11] <_kylem> ok.
[11:11] <_kylem> that's the same thing i got with my a500 config + ubuntu kernel
[11:14] <BenC> CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y
[11:14] <BenC> hmm, it should have gotten the rootfs
[11:14] <BenC> I know the sym2 driver loaded
[11:19] <_kylem> yeah. it didn't see the disks at all though.
[11:19] <_kylem> do you have any changes to sym2 that upstream doesn't have?
[11:21] <BenC> just the stuff from pa6
[11:22] <_kylem> ok.
[11:22] <_kylem> i'm confused now then.
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[11:25] <[g2-build] > uname -a
[11:25] <[g2-build] > Linux tom-server 2.6.17-5-38fa6a-386 #1 Fri Jul 14 15:28:47 EDT 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:25] <[g2-build] > wheee ! my first ubuntu kernel
[11:27] <[g2-build] > BenC, any ETA on building the restricted modules ?  I'm running with vesa instead of nv 
[11:27] <[g2-build] > no pressure, just curios
[11:27] <[g2-build] > thx for all the help btw -- you guys (Ubuntu) have the process in nice shape
[11:34] <BenC> g2: lrm for what?
[11:35] <BenC> dapper should have lrm built for it
[11:35] <mjg59> BenC: 2.6.17 isn't in dapper
[11:38] <[g2-build] > hey mjg59 
[11:41] <BenC> g2: you'll have to rebuild lrm yourself
[11:41] <[g2-build] > mjg59, are there any restricted modules required for the mac mini ? I'd guess the atheros
[11:41] <BenC> apt-get source linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17
[11:42] <BenC> edit debian/rules and find the ABI, set it to 5-38fa6a
[11:42] <mjg59> [g2-build] : Correct
[11:42] <BenC> you'll have to add restricted to the deb-src line first
[11:43] <[g2-build] > BenC ok I'd like to walk through this and then I can have a draft update for the wiki
[11:44] <[g2-build] > I'll building the nv modules for the desktop first for this kernel is a good thing
[11:44] <[g2-build] > well good as in a good test
[11:49] <[g2-build] > BenC do you mean linux-restricted-modules-386 ?
[11:49] <BenC> that's how you build it, yes
[11:50] <BenC> but the package you just mentioned is just a meta-package
[11:51] <[g2-build] > right but in edgy main there's no linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17
[11:51] <[g2-build] > src that is
[11:51] <[g2-build] > and dapper is very unaware of that
[11:51] <mjg59> It ought to be in restricted
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[11:53] <[g2-build] > so i need to add deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy main restricted 
[11:53] <[g2-build] > to sources.list
[11:59] <[g2-build] > Does this mean they were just uploaded yesterday ? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17
[12:00] <[g2-build] > and is "+source" a different place ?
[12:04] <BenC> the source doesn't change when I upload for a new kernel
[12:04] <BenC> it's just a change in the ABI
[12:05] <BenC> not to mention even if I upload, you can use it, since your kernel ABI is different
[12:05] <BenC> you have to build it anyway
[12:05] <BenC> you can't use it, I mean