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nixternalhello bimberi01:08
bimberihi nixternal01:08
nixternalwould be nice to have a MTWiki Spec to track01:08
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nixternallol01:08
nixternali hate when that happens01:09
bimberithe meeting finished at 06:45, had to attend to things like breakfast, children, getting to work ...01:09
nixternalhehe01:09
bimberii'll be able to do them in spare moments here :)01:09
nixternalfun fun01:09
nixternaltake your time on the minutes..no rush01:09
bimberinixternal: if you think a spec will work for what you want to do then go for it01:11
nixternalim trying to figure that out now01:11
nixternalim looking over other wiki specs..and none of the ones i see have been successfull01:12
nixternalhowever who know how the management was on it01:12
bimberiyes, but i think the issue there is simply whether ubuntu-marketing should be subscribed to the spec01:12
nixternali think they should..that way there members can follow and hop on board as it goes01:13
bimberisurely a spec can be a standalone thing - idk yet, but will be looking into it too01:13
nixternalright now...im trying to merge a spec of mine with one of Riddell's, for Kubuntu doc/support system01:13
nixternalyou can use a spec as a standalone for sure...but it would be good to have the team involved in it01:14
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nixternalthefreak is right ;)01:15
nixternali think that if anything, products shouldn't have been created, but maybe projects?   for creating specs and what not01:19
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nixternalbimberi: are you going to put the minutes on the wiki as well?03:31
nixternalnm..looks like you already did ;)03:32
bimberi!lart nixternal03:32
bimberi:P03:32
nixternalheh..i never knew about /MeetingLogs03:33
bimberilots of fun reading there03:34
nixternalim not reading it again ;)03:34
bimberi3 times (for me) was enough ;P03:35
nixternali bet03:37
nixternalhow come when i send emails to the list, nobody answers them?  are they that bad ;)03:41
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sara_hello all03:49
ThunderStruckhi03:49
sara_I don't know if someone could help me witth the wiki03:49
bimberihi sara_03:50
sara_How do you create a new page?03:50
troy_ssara_, use the templates03:50
troy_stype in the name of the page you want to create:  wiki.ubuntu.com/Where/Whatever03:50
bimberisara_: or just put in the URL you want and type create new page03:50
troy_sthen click the template from the list below.03:50
bimberis/type/click/03:51
sara_Ok how do I use a template?03:51
sara_Where do I put the Url03:51
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troy_ssara_:  in your browser type wiki.ubuntu.com/SaraTestPage03:51
sara_ok let me try03:52
troy_swhen you create documents for your team, you will probably want to start with a template03:52
bimberinixternal: we all get that ;)03:52
nixternalhaha03:52
nixternalarg.. troy_s is in here too03:52
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troy_ssara_, when you have typed that link in, at the top you have 'create new empty page'03:53
bimberii reckon the longer an email is, the less chance of response03:53
troy_ssara_, but i suggest that you click under the template (any wiki page created with Template in it will show up there)03:53
sara_ok so how do I pick a tempalte now03:53
nixternal[20:49]  <troy_s> indeed... it is a _little_ different, but the generalities of launchpad can benefit almost every team.03:53
nixternal[20:49]  <nixternal> Project == Marketing Team, and then the Programs == SpreadUbuntu, Magazine, Press Team....and so on03:53
nixternalwell..i meant one line..but you got 2 ;)03:53
troy_ssara_, and when you click one of those templates, you will get the code outline -- you just fill in the blanks.03:53
troy_syah i got that thanks nixternal03:53
nixternalthey didn't though ;)03:54
troy_snixternal,  who is they?03:55
troy_soh the rest of the folks in here...03:55
nixternalbimberi and sara_ i guess ;(03:55
nixternal;)03:55
troy_snow i comprehend.03:55
nixternalhehe03:55
nixternalya troy_s, you and i aren't the only ones in here ;)03:55
sara_ok I got it thanks, I swear I must be a retard I had just spent like an hour trying to do this03:55
sara_I'm sorry, but did I miss something03:55
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sara_Was I supposed to get something?03:56
bimberisara_: i'm strugging too :/03:57
bimberi*struggling    even03:57
nixternalwhat are you struggling with?03:57
sara_:)03:57
troy_ssara_, bimberi, are you folks ok now?03:57
sara_Yeah I am good now, thanks for the help03:57
troy_sThere are a LOT of wiki tricks, and unfortunately no great massive howto on how to do them03:57
troy_scertain 'keywords' work into full text automatically... like the [[SubPages] ]  etc.03:57
bimberiaahhh, Projects and Programs - yes, with it now :)03:57
troy_sWiki's are very very easy to create, and look good without too much effort.03:58
troy_sHeadings for example, automagically appear in the ToC, etc.03:58
bimberinixternal: that looks good, and then specs are linked to programs ?03:59
nixternalyou got it04:00
nixternalMarketing would be the project, and our little tasks could be programs04:00
nixternalSU, Mag, PR, and whatever the future holds would be programs04:01
nixternalthen we could create specs to the project in order to create a new program, or create a spec to add to a program04:01
sara_wait, It sound interesting, but I am not clear waht you rea talking about04:02
bimberi*nods*04:02
troy_sfeel free to ping me if you have more questions... i will reply at some point :)04:02
nixternalthx troy_s04:03
nixternalsara_: we create a project "Ubuntu Marketing" or just "Marketing"04:03
sara_Ubuntu Marketing04:03
bimberitroy_s: thanks,  and thanks for coming to the meeting (as i said in the minutes email too)04:03
nixternala project is a collaboration of programs04:04
bimberiyes, definitely Ubuntu Marketing.  Launchpad is a global thing04:04
nixternaltrue04:04
nixternalfor us though, we won't be dealing with programs...our programs are actually projects...but in the case of the launchpad, they are referred to programs because of the dev portions i guess04:04
nixternalanyways...SpreadUbuntu, Magazine, and Press Team would be considered "Programs" on the launchpad04:05
nixternalall those "Programs" would fall under one project which would be "Ubuntu Marketing"04:05
sara_so where would I put the specs for the Ubuntu magazine04:05
sara_?04:05
nixternalyou would apply those to the "Ubuntu Magazine" Program04:05
Burgundaviasara_: specs can be against ubuntu generally04:06
bimberiyes i noticed that with some of the artwork specs04:06
nixternalis that ok to do Burgundavia?   i brought this up, so there wouldn't be a million specs in the "Ubuntu" stuff04:06
Burgundaviaype04:06
Burgundaviaevery other spec is just against ubuntu04:06
nixternalsee..artwork specs go towards an actual package04:06
sara_So where is the Ubuntru Magazine program in Launchapd04:07
sara_?04:07
nixternalit isn't there04:07
nixternali was just saying we could look at doing it04:07
nixternalonly a proposal, or me just thinking out loud04:07
sara_ok, I think that we probably want to do it04:07
nixternalwell, Burgundavia suggests that we just do it agains "Ubuntu"04:07
nixternaland then subscribe the MarketingTeam to them04:08
bimberinixternal: yes, but only do _that_ with consultation (ie. to the list)04:08
nixternali guess i will have to from now on ;)04:09
Burgundavianixternal: your emails have not been ignored, just people have not responded to them04:09
nixternali know Burgundavia..i was pokin' some fun04:09
bimberii think Jan felt that if we create a spec that it would be immediately against the marketin team04:09
bimberi+g04:09
sara_I though the same thing04:09
nixternalit will be agains "ubuntu" and the marketing team will just subscribe to it04:09
sara_My main concer is that I am working on some specs right now, but I don't know where to put them. Should I just put them on Ubuntu markeitng?04:10
nixternalso to create a spec, you would go to https://launchpad.net and select Ubuntu under the distribution, and add a spec that way04:10
nixternalare you talking the wiki?04:10
nixternalif you are creating a wiki page for your spec, and it is related to marketing, i would say yes, do /MarketingTeam/Spec04:11
nixternalbut that is just me04:11
sara_I went to Launchapd and them I went to Marketing team, Specs,New Specification04:11
nixternalreally04:11
nixternalif i goto the marketing team, and under specs, all i see is the specs subscribed by the team, i don't see where i can do a "new spec" at04:12
sara_Maybe I should just finish the one I am working on an if I make a mistake you sould point me on the right direction04:12
sara_New Specification is under assigments04:12
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nixternalah well..im gonna go talk to myself for a bit ;)04:17
nixternali shall return04:17
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troy_s<sara_> so where would I put the specs for the Ubuntu magazine04:21
troy_sspecs will list under whoever you subscribe to them04:21
troy_smeaning the marketing team should probably be subscribed to all the specs.04:21
troy_sstart with simple... worry about complex as you need.04:22
troy_s:)04:22
troy_s<nixternal> if i goto the marketing team, and under specs, all i see is the specs subscribed by the team, i don't see where i can do a "new spec" at04:22
troy_sYou must go to the default ubuntu specs (where ALL specs are listed)04:22
troy_sand add a spec from there: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+specs04:23
troy_shope that helps folks.04:23
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-marketing: Welcome to #ubuntu-marketing. This is the IRC channel of the Ubuntu Marketing Team. | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam | Channel logs at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | Meeting 2006-07-13 19:00 UTC | Check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu
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sara_hey all I just posted some thing on the specs, if any of you have time please let me know what you think04:47
adamant1988hey all.04:47
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nixternalwhee05:51
adamant1988wheeeeeeeeeeeeee05:51
nixternaloh no05:52
nixternalhaha05:52
adamant1988lol05:55
adamant1988I'm downloading the kororaa live cd thing05:55
adamant1988what was talked about for the rest of the meeting?05:55
nixternali can't remember05:56
nixternalim brain dead05:56
adamant1988always cool.05:56
nixternalyou ever feel like stuff you try to do is impossible to get done?05:57
nixternali feel like that right now...maybe sleep would fix it ;)05:58
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adamant1988I get discouraged by a lack of progress05:58
adamant1988but as long as the energy is kept high progress will continue.05:59
nixternal+105:59
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adamant1988My problem right now is that A) Spread Ubuntu and the Ubuntu magazine are the first priorities of the team05:59
adamant1988Meaning any ideas I have take back burner to the teams project.05:59
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adamant1988...06:00
adamant1988got booted?06:00
Burgundaviaadamant1988: do what you want06:01
Burgundaviaif you don't, you will get bored/tired and leave06:01
adamant1988i'll brb06:02
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adamant1988back06:07
adamant1988nixternal__ having connection problems?06:07
nixternal__i hate irc06:08
nixternal__im going back to aol06:08
adamant1988lol, how will you communicate with us then?06:08
nixternalstoooopid server06:08
adamant1988it loves you too06:08
adamant1988nixternal what do you think SpreadUbuntus chance of success is?06:09
nixternalthe chance is actually excellent as long as it is manned constantly06:11
troy_sis there a wiki spec up for spreadubuntu yet?  or a link?  or something?06:11
nixternalit can be active today, and not active tomorrow06:11
adamant1988I personally think using an advertising method for a browser to advertise an OS is a bit odd.06:13
troy_swhat exactly is spread ubuntu?06:15
Burgundaviathat is part of the problem06:19
Burgundaviathere is no defined idea06:19
MadpilotAH! the Ubuntu Marketing ML is starting to break out in marketing pseudo-babble: "How can we synergise our work with other community work."06:19
adamant1988the ML is so difficult to keep track of lol06:20
troy_sLaf.06:21
troy_sFound the topic... At least a paper trail.06:22
nixternalim lost in konvo tabs06:22
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nixternalBurgundavia and wiki moves yet?   i need something else to focus on right now ;)06:23
nixternals/and/any06:23
Burgundaviajust moved some06:24
Burgundaviasorry06:24
nixternalhaha k06:24
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nixternali swear, that list gets close to 300, and then i take a couple of days away for other projects and boom..right back up there06:25
nixternalhmm...this is the marketing channel..sorry guys ;)06:25
adamant1988Has the SpreadUbuntu project REALLY been around since warty?06:31
bimberi<troy_s> is there a wiki spec up for spreadubuntu yet?  or a link?  or something?06:31
bimberithere's this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu06:31
troy_syes i saw that in the topic after muddling around.  thank you.06:34
bimberinp :)06:41
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Codyhey06:53
Codyany recent activity on spread ubuntu06:53
Cody?06:53
ormiretCurrently gathering design proposals06:55
ormiretthere should be a list of tasks apearring real soon now06:55
Codygood07:00
Codywith ubuntu working so well, i kind of need something to do07:03
ormiret:)07:04
Codyits amazing that about two years ago ubuntu was first released. And look at where they are now!07:05
ormiretyeah, things move fast if you get a bunch of people pulling in the same direction.07:08
Codytoo true07:09
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Codyhey07:16
Burgundavianixternal: the person you need to ask for a list is jdub07:18
nixternalfor?07:18
nixternallist?07:18
nixternalis jdub == waugh?07:19
Burgundaviayep07:20
nixternali have..multiple times...mdke already knows of the issue, and said he would poke him about it07:20
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Burgundavianixternal: he travels extensively for canonical, so he is not often available07:23
nixternali know that, that is why i don't stress the issue any more07:23
nixternalalthough, i do feel like emailing him and tell him to change his hackergotchi...everytime i get his blog post from akregator i get a good chuckle for it07:24
nixternals/for/from07:24
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jbrouhardWhoa.. *NASTY* storm blowing through here, killed power and cable ;(08:05
kgoetzlol @ quit08:08
kgoetzjbrouhard: :(08:08
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adamant1988hello all08:08
kgoetzhi08:09
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adamant1988hey sure08:09
adamant1988sugar08:09
adamant1988ack08:10
adamant1988eating and typing = bad08:10
bimberiJust for you Madpilot :08:14
bimberi<name> is a leading customer driven provider of robust scalable seamless end-to-end IT solutions. We do this through leveraging best-of-breed customer-centric turnkey e-technologies to enable a paradigm shifting synergy between systems and ensure that our customers are provided with a state-of-the-art cutting-edge value-added information experience.08:14
kgoetzo_008:15
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bimberi:P08:15
Madpilotboiled down, that blob of gibberish bimberi just pooped at us really means, "We build good servers for our customers."... I think08:16
kgoetzcan someone explain hte SU graphical things? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/SpreadUbuntu#head-7ce3d403bd8929ad030974de84db90f022cde3db what are we supposed to do with it?08:16
Burgundaviakgoetz: admire the brilliance?08:17
adamant1988stare at it08:17
adamant1988it'll come to completion quicker08:17
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adamant1988well it's SUPPOSEd to advertise an operating system the exact same way that a web browser was advertised08:18
bimberiMadpilot: i actually made it up one day, there was a website where you could post some marketing speak and it rated the gobbledigookiness of it08:18
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jbrouhardhaven't made any real decisions yet08:19
adamant1988the whole SU project confuses me08:19
kgoetzadamant1988: :| i'd probably have more idea of what was going on if i could use the bzr repo, but running off a live cd it isnt really going to happen08:19
adamant1988what is the bzr repo?08:19
Madpilotadamant1988, supposedly, it's the place things are actually supposed to happen - or something like that... </not very helpful>08:20
adamant1988so basically.. nothing's going on08:20
adamant1988does anyone else think it's slightly odd to try to use the same methods to advertise Ubuntu that were used for FireFox?08:21
BurgundaviaSU currently fails to have a well decribed purpose08:21
adamant1988I mean, yeah joe-schmoe probably uses firefox because of SF, but it's a little different when you're telling them to wipe their hard drive and put Ubuntu on it08:22
jendakgoetz: the graphical things are there to help decide what the site will look like when it's up.08:22
jendaThey're there ATM for inspiration for other people who want to give ideas.08:23
jendaThe bzr branch is mainly there to test it for future purposes of Spreadubuntu and the marketing team.08:24
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kgoetzoh, i could play with that stuff,...if i wasnt running live08:24
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jbrouhardjenda i got a question08:24
ormiretSU isn't just a copy of spreadfirefox with an s/firefox/ubuntu/g It is about formalising efforts that are already underway where users are trying to do marketing for ubuntu08:24
jbrouhardwhat font is used for the ubuntu logo ?08:24
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kgoetzhte ubuntu logo font08:25
Madpilotjbrouhard, Ubuntu-title - it's on wiki.ubuntu.com somewhere08:25
jendajbrouhard: wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing , scroll down08:25
jbrouhardThanks08:25
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Madpilotactually, it's in repos as well - search for ubuntu-ttf, I think08:25
kgoetzyay, +108:25
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bimberittf-ubuntu-title is the package btw08:29
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MenZasu`?08:38
kgoetzspread ubuntu08:39
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jendaI just got a mockup from kassetra.08:50
jendaNot bad08:50
jbrouhard:)08:50
jbrouhard<-- still playing with graphics08:51
jbrouhardTrying to make this look the way i *WANT* it to ;)08:51
jbrouhardIt's apparently enjoying being a PITA08:51
adamant1988ewww pepsi and french onion dip08:51
Madpilotewww Pepsi ;)08:52
hybridewww Madpilot08:52
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jendaewww offtopic08:52
Madpilotheh08:52
hybridjenda: mine was better :)08:52
jenda;)08:52
jbrouhardgoes a-hunting for ubuntu logo :)08:53
jendajbrouhard: trademark policy page ;)08:53
jendaCan anyone host a png for me?08:53
jbrouhard:)08:53
jbrouhardI could08:53
jbrouhardif my server doesn't decide to puke08:53
jenda(I really hate putting it on the wiki as an attachment)08:53
Madpilotjenda, the wiki could :)08:53
hybridjenda: imageshack.us08:53
jendaimageshack... trustworthy?08:54
hybridnever had an issue with it08:54
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jendaOK08:54
jendadone.08:56
jendanow bzr ;)08:56
Madpilotjenda, share the png now it's on imageshack?08:57
jendahttp://img301.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spreadubuntu1rc.png08:57
jendaIt's on the wiki too.08:57
Madpilothmm... what would happen to that design on narrower/smaller screens?08:58
jendaNo ID08:59
jendaI'll have the sources soon08:59
jbrouhardHmm09:14
jbrouhardjenda: I hope you don't mind if i literazlly copy and paste your text ? :p09:15
jendajbrouhard: I hope ubuntu.com didn't when I did so... ;)09:34
MenZajenda: want me to go ahead and give it ago?09:35
jendaMenZa: yes :)09:35
MenZaRight, I might just do that then.09:35
MenZaIf I can find time to it, that is.09:36
jendaI want everyone to go ahead and give it a go, as long as they won't mind if their work doesn't get used in the end. OTOH, I think we'll end up with an amalgam of the proposals, so every input will have it's fruit.09:36
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jendaNice cloak, kgoetz. I miss it ;)09:36
jbrouhardOkay09:37
jbrouhardI think i'm almost ready with this first attempt09:37
MenZa jenda I read that as 'analgame'.09:37
kgoetz:) i like it (esp. now the serial number is gone)09:37
MenZa;\09:37
jbrouhardjenda:  I'm reviewing some of my work before I submit this ok?  I still have a few things I wanna fix tho09:45
jendaSure - you can review after submitting as well, of course.09:45
jendaOr better: submit more ;)09:45
jbrouhardI plan to submit at least three, if I'm lucky09:46
jbrouhardOkay.09:48
jbrouhardhow to submit.. E-mail or just give you the link here ?09:48
jendalink is good enough09:48
jendaOr you can just add it to the wiki yourself, if you wish09:48
jendaI'll put it in bzr too09:48
jendaIf there are source files, I'd be glad if you could email me a package ;)09:49
jbrouhardRight now09:50
jbrouhardI'm just using Adobe Photoshop09:50
jbrouhardOkay.. here's my first try'09:51
jbrouhardhttp://www.jbrouhard.com/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu1.jpg09:51
jbrouhardAny feed back from anyone on that ?09:57
jendaj'sec ;)09:59
jbrouhardk09:59
jendaI like it :09:59
jenda:)09:59
jendaa lot.09:59
jendathe circle of friends is a little too far to the right, IMO...10:00
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jbrouhardThat's an easy fix ;)10:01
jenda... and the grey bar is unnecessary IMO... while the entire top bar could be substituted with the one on all the other ubuntu pages ;)10:01
jendamatthewrevell! nick spamming...10:01
jenda;)10:01
jendaand hello :)10:02
matthewrevellSorry, forgot I was signed in here. It was a joke in another channel :)10:02
matthewrevellHow did the meeting go?10:02
jendaI came late, but it went rather well, I think.10:04
matthewrevellCool.10:04
matthewrevellI'll read the logs10:04
jbrouhardhrm10:05
jbrouhardWild idea10:05
jbrouhardjust for shits, I'm thinking of replicating one of the banners from the ubuntu.com pages.10:05
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jendahello imbrandon10:08
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jendaand ompaul ;)10:08
ompauland me?10:08
ompaulI do not warrent a greeting of my own?  ;-)10:08
ompaulhi jenda10:08
imbrandonheya jenda10:08
imbrandonlol ompaul10:08
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ompaulhaha10:09
imbrandonsudo apt-get install ompaul-greeting-custom-0ubuntu110:09
ompaulahh thanks10:11
jendakintaro?10:11
jendaWell if it ain't... ;)10:11
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kintarohi jenda.whats up?10:56
kintaroyes..what is it jenda?sory for late replay... ;)10:58
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adamant1988hello all04:20
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bigtoegood <insert time of day> adamant04:23
adamant1988yay04:24
adamant1988I'm ticked.04:24
bigtoe'bout what?04:24
adamant1988I had this wonderful idea for a user interface that could really push Ubuntu to being different.04:25
adamant1988and it's ALREADY BEEN DONE. almost exactly like I dreamed up04:25
bigtoethat's too bad04:25
adamant1988i'll say04:25
kgoetz:|04:25
adamant1988symphony os  =\04:26
bigtoehmm04:29
bigtoei have never heard of the mezzo desktop04:29
adamant1988it's clean, elegant, and widget based.04:30
bigtoeyeah, it looks good04:30
adamant1988basically it eliminates bars and menus04:32
bigtoecorner targets are a good idea04:33
adamant1988Yeah I thought of that as a way to eleminate bars04:33
adamant1988and then I saw a screenshot of symphony last night and I'm liek "son of a..."04:34
bigtoei would have a question about the functionality with dual monitors though04:34
bigtoecorner targets would not be as useful with two monitors04:34
_saraor a widescreen04:35
adamant1988i'm not sure how it handles dual monitors04:35
adamant1988but I imagine wide screen is the same as default04:35
_sarayeah but corners are not so attractive targets04:36
kgoetzwhy is that setup so much better? (looking at this screenshot http://www.symphonyos.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=30 )04:37
adamant1988did I say better? no I said unique, simple, clean, and elegant.... I don't think it offers anymore functionality than with the one we use now... it just looks cooler04:38
kgoetzoh ok04:38
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adamant1988haha, I just want to see ubuntu be unique04:40
adamant1988and it was a good idea until I found out it had been done... so I'm back to the drawing board04:40
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_saraI don;t think that it depends so mush in ubuntu as mush as gnome or kde or whatever you use04:41
adamant1988yeah, I just don't expect gnome or kde to really ever do anything different.04:41
bigtoei don't think that you would want to change the ui too much if you want to get ubuntu to the masses...you will want them to see something that they are familiar with.04:42
adamant1988are they familiar with mac os X?04:42
kgoetzadamant1988: afaik gnome used to operate like E does now - so it does change04:42
bigtoeit does look *similar* to windows04:43
kgoetzis osx experiance relevent o_004:43
bigtoeit may not act the same, but the look is there04:43
kgoetz2 panels not one - dont make it 'os x; like04:44
adamant1988no it was an example04:44
adamant1988OS X isn't too much like windows, but people want it, and if not for the price more people would be using it.04:44
adamant1988IMO when people switch desktops they don't want the exact same experience as they were having, they want something newer and more 'fresh'. (like say, Max OS X).04:45
bigtoelike this? http://manzi.weblogs.us/archives/mydesk.jpg04:46
bigtoe:)04:46
adamant1988yeah, like vista04:46
adamant1988vista is a good example, it provides a newer look and all sorts of fun features to help give users a 'new experience'.04:47
adamant1988while maintaining compatibility with the old one04:47
_sarabut it looks a bit too crowded04:47
adamant1988that's because that person has no concept of deskspace and added a whole bunch of crap04:47
_sarawell most screenshot I seen look crowded with their widget bar on the side04:48
bigtoeunfortunately, I agree. I think that vista is going to do well04:48
adamant1988vista will do reasonably well i think04:49
_saraI don;t lie that widget bar on the side that I've seen in other screnshots it looks big04:49
adamant1988a lot of people are going to be hesitant to upgrade.04:49
adamant1988I don't want to have to put another gig of ram in my machine just to make vista run well.04:50
bigtoethat is a good point04:50
_saraI have the beta and it uses a gig just standing still04:50
adamant1988I didn't bother with the beta...04:51
bigtoeis that the memory manager grabbing a bunch of ram and dishing it out as needed?04:51
adamant1988I figure I might end up getting it preloaded on a computer and play with it then.04:51
adamant1988regardless I'm downloading the symphonyos live cd04:51
_saraI don't think so because when I open another program M ram goes up04:52
adamant1988right now I'm going to burn kororaa04:52
bigtoehmm...that's not so good04:52
bigtoei have been trying to press the issue here at work that we don't need windows04:53
_saraI know, specailly since I use windows for my arch 3d work and they usually use alot of ram so for 3d so I think vista is not so attractive for 3d or visualization04:53
bigtoebefore we have to upgrade to vista04:53
_saraI hav eus linux for about two yeara sna d it is amazing how far and fast its moving, soon I think it would be serius competiton04:55
_saraprobably around the time vistas come out04:55
adamant1988you mean suse?04:55
_saraI meant use, and I mean suse and Ubuntu04:56
adamant1988Suse is doing a good job with the UI04:57
adamant1988although they're much more windows like than I would like personally04:57
_saraThey shoudl both be ready for an average user desktop, I am also looking foward to the next kde and gnome04:57
adamant1988what is supposed to happen with the next gnome?04:58
_saraI don't think much, but I saw some scrreshot of different things. I can't find the links, but KDE 4 sound interesting, different04:59
adamant1988supposed to be04:59
adamant1988but it maintains a look like windows appeal so I doubt it will be THAT different04:59
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_saraAlso, some of the work that is going on with fluendo and gstreamer sounds interesting05:00
adamant1988what's that?05:00
adamant1988I mean the work05:00
_saraElisa, to handle your tv and picture, Instabul, screen recording session. I am looking for the link to more stuff05:02
adamant1988ok I'm popping in kororaa brb05:02
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adamant1988further proof that XGL and this computer do not get along05:14
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nixternalbah06:04
adamant1988boom chaka laka06:05
nixternalhm...that smphonyos look purty06:07
nixternalfvwm has come a long way..i tried it back during the blackbox days06:07
adamant1988that's not completely fvvm06:08
adamant1988it's something called mezzo desktop06:08
nixternalmezzo is nothing more then the widgets, wallpaper and such06:13
nixternalyou can do everything you see with fvwm...but fvwm has been known to be disfunctional at times06:14
adamant1988meh...06:16
adamant1988but the widgets are part of the experience06:17
adamant1988they're the menus and everything for the system06:17
nixternali like functional, not pretty06:18
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nixternalthats why i love my kde desktop06:19
adamant1988I like pretty AND functional06:19
nixternalit is way functional, with a hint of hawtness to it ;)06:19
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bigtoenixternal, what does your loco focus on?06:32
nixternaleverything06:32
nixternalspreading ubuntu in a sense06:32
bigtoewe will not be able to focus on everything...so far there are only 3 active members and 4 lurkers06:33
nixternali have 10 active and a million lurkers06:33
nixternalso it is a building process...we are going to do a "Chicago Fest/Days" things that I hope will attract a lot of people06:34
nixternaljust a day in the city having fun, and marketing!!!06:34
adamant1988yay marketing06:35
adamant1988am I one of the three active members?06:35
bigtoewe have a non-profit here that refurbs old hardware and loads debian...i am going to try to talk them into ubuntu06:35
bigtoeadamant...3 members in my loco06:36
adamant1988oh ok06:36
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adamant1988gee no wonder I can't add specs to the launchpad07:39
adamant1988I don't have the option to.07:39
bigtoei do not have an option for add either07:45
adamant1988I spent an entire day feeling like an idiot because i couldn't figure out how to add the specs I'm supposed to be able to ad07:47
adamant1988add07:47
adamant1988and I don't even have the option.07:47
adamant1988+1 for that idea. =\07:47
bigtoeadamant: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+addspec08:16
adamant1988oh I know how to add them to ubuntus page08:23
adamant1988but not the marketing team one08:23
adamant1988I apparently am not allowed to08:23
nixternalyou add it to ubuntu, and subscribe the marketing08:44
nixternalteam08:44
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adamant1988ah, ok08:56
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nixternalwe may not like them, but i have to admit, they have information we could possibly use in the future..so w/o further ado...i present to you09:25
nixternalhttps://partner.microsoft.com/global/salesmarketing/09:25
nixternalworld wide style ^^09:25
nixternalhttps://partner.microsoft.com/US/salesmarketing/09:26
nixternalstate side (done in the "west siiiiiiiieeeede voice"09:26
nixternalhttp://search.microsoft.com/results.aspx?mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&q=marketing09:26
nixternaland that would be links to everything marketing for them..maybe we can use their stuff against them ;)09:27
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bigtoerapid exonomic justification framework...09:35
bigtoeeconomic even09:35
nixternalhehe09:36
bigtoeFind: Windows Replace with: ubuntu09:37
nixternalgahahah09:38
nixternalcheatin' big time09:38
bigtoeand i am sure that microsoft never "borrowed" code from anyone09:38
Klaidas:D09:38
nixternalhahah bigtoe09:39
nixternalthat is getting quoted somehow, someway09:39
adamant1988=\09:41
adamant1988are we only good for borrowind concepts?09:41
adamant1988borrowing*09:41
bigtoethat was a joke adamant09:42
adamant1988actually, I'm referring to using the info from microsoft.09:42
nixternalshow me an original concept and i will give you all the money in the world09:42
nixternaloriginal concepts were used up in the 60's09:43
adamant1988does that mean we're still doomed to do things that other people/organizations have done/are doing?09:43
nixternalno and yes09:43
nixternalyes and no09:43
nixternalmaybe maybe not09:44
nixternalif you can do something original, then go for it, otherwise you build off a collaboration of other's ideas ;)09:44
bigtoeyou forgot perhaps perhaps not09:44
nixternaltis how it usually works09:44
nixternalthanks bigtoe09:44
adamant1988I wish the Ubuntu devs saw it that way too.09:44
jendanixternal: rofl @ your movie quotes up there ;)09:45
nixternalUbuntu dev's are to busy09:45
nixternalmovie quotes?09:45
nixternaldid i miss something09:45
adamant1988Symphony OS is pretty watered down.09:45
adamant1988I've got it running on my laptop right now, configuration options past wallpaper =0.09:45
jendanixternal: the 'state side' and dr. evil style fit together well ;)09:55
nixternalhehe09:55
nixternalwhy thank you09:55
nixternaljenda: plans for a http://marketing.ubuntu.com   and if so, what are they?10:02
nixternali was thinking, that the world should see a beautifully structured m.u.c and the team use the wiki for work, design, implementation and what not...just 2 cents...a thought i had while sitting on..erm,...in my other office ;)10:02
jendaWell, I wanted to have a file repo there for in progress works, but it's not happening it seems. Perhaps a browser-accessible repo of files automatically synced with bzr10:03
nixternali was thinking more of a "front page" for the marketing "project" and use the wiki for the marketing "team"10:03
jenda(It's not happening because bzr and wiki were chosen by the rest to serve the purpose)10:03
jendaOK10:03
nixternal"thinking" being the main word there ;)10:03
jendanot sure whatcha mean10:04
nixternallet me find an example..carry on ;)  i shall find one here in a minute10:04
jbrouhardOkay jenda10:07
jendajbrouhard: wussup? ;)10:08
jbrouhardsecond revision ready to go, but did you say yuou didn't need those links such as "home, about, floss,' etc ?10:08
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=== jbrouhard thought they were needed based on that site map...
nixternalwhere is the 2nd revision jbrouhard?10:09
jbrouhardNot up yet10:09
nixternalwell hurry already10:09
nixternal;)10:09
jbrouhardI want to make sure those links aren't needed yet ;)10:09
jbrouhard*looks at nixternal*...10:09
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jbrouhardI'll hurry up to kick your butt ;)10:09
nixternallisten here honkey chan10:09
adamant1988grrr.. how can I reset my beagle index so that it will reindex everything?10:09
nixternali have no clue, as i had major issues with beagle on my system10:10
nixternalso i stopped "trying" to use it10:10
nixternalplus, everything that is important, is already filed away neatly on my system..so it is easy to goto and find10:10
jbrouhardHmm10:12
jbrouhard*notes I need to do some "spring cleaning" of my own file system :)10:12
nixternalcd /10:13
jbrouhardright now, it's a cluttered *MESS*10:13
nixternalrm -rf ~/*10:13
jbrouhardI knew it10:13
nixternalbest cleaning you can do10:13
jbrouhardNixternal dies :)10:13
nixternalwhats new10:13
jbrouhard:)10:13
nixternalim always dieing10:13
jbrouhardlol10:13
jbrouhardcould be worse, man10:15
nixternalfedora and ubuntu text are pretty close to being the same10:23
nixternalhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing10:23
nixternali like their colors, and their logos...that page is pretty clean and to the point10:24
nixternalhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors10:25
nixternalinteresting10:25
nixternalhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Awards   <- stuff like that keeps moral high10:26
jbrouhardjenda: are the links for "home, about, community, FLOSS" absolutely necessary, or can the designs go without them ?10:28
jendajbrouhard: I prefer without, in fact10:29
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jbrouhardOkeydoke10:31
jbrouhardSecond version about to hit the web10:31
jendajbrouhard: where's the first?10:33
jbrouhardWow.. this is sweet10:33
jbrouhardhttp://www.jbrouhard.com/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu2.jpg10:33
jbrouhardfirst is http://www.jbrouhard.com/spreadubuntu/spreadubuntu1.jpg10:33
nixternaloh ya..i like the 2nd one10:33
MenZaI hate both.10:33
MenZaSoryr.10:33
jendavery slick :)10:33
nixternalthe first was to solid..i like the title bar up top..the drop shadow and hwat not10:33
MenZaSorry.10:33
jbrouhardlol10:33
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nixternallet us see MenZa?10:34
MenZajenda: any special requests.10:34
MenZanixternal: I'm only starting now.10:34
nixternalahh10:34
jendajbrouhard: I'd make the bar thinner... and if we have a bar, why not the original ubuntu bar?10:34
nixternalok10:34
jbrouhardyou mena the top banner ?10:34
CodyI think they need curved edges10:34
nixternalim all for original10:34
jendajbrouhard: what's your name? I'm putting them on the wiki10:35
nixternalhttp://www.ubuntu.com/spreadubuntu10:35
nixternaldon't click it10:35
jbrouhardMy full name ?10:35
jbrouhardor Wiki one ?10:35
jendawiki good enough10:36
jbrouhardJoeBrouhard10:36
jendaMenZa: Yes - one request...10:36
nixternalit isn't there..but im saying..i think it should all blend...i believe that "spreadubuntu" and/or "marketing" need to be incorporated/blended into the main page/setup10:36
MenZajenda: aha?10:36
jbrouhardpretty much the same as my real name anyway10:36
jendaMenZa: make it R - O - K !!!10:36
nixternalhaha10:36
MenZaRight10:37
MenZaI suggest we use Tango icons.10:37
jendaFeel free to try.10:37
jendaWe can decide once we see ;)10:37
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jendaMenZa: you know I want: graphical, simple to understand withing a few seconds of staring-at, artistic, fresh, new. If it's weird, it's good :-D10:38
MenZajenda: I'll try.10:38
jenda:)10:38
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MenZaDoes the average Linux user have "Century Gothic"? The font?10:40
jendaIf it's default in ubuntu, it's OK10:40
jbrouhardActually, if the font is embedded in graphics10:41
MenZaI don't know if it is, jenda.10:41
jbrouhardit won't matter if the end user has it or not ;)10:41
jendajbrouhard: +110:41
jbrouhardhowever if it's used for actual web text, that's an iffy thing10:41
MenZajbrouhard: I prefer not to use graphical text, if I can avoid it.10:41
jbrouhardMine are grpahical text for illustration purposes :)10:41
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jendajbrouhard: you think you could email me the source of those two? I want to click them on the black market.10:41
jbrouhardIn graphics, sure.  for actual text ?  Hell if I know.10:42
jendaEr... the bazaar I mean.10:42
jbrouhardLOL!10:42
MenZajbrouhard: I have a lot.10:42
jbrouhardthey're PSD's, so no problem10:42
MenZaRight.10:42
MenZaSo10:42
jendaPSD... ah :)10:42
MenZaDo WE have a logo?10:42
jendaDunn't matter, it should still be there10:42
jendaMenZa: yes10:42
jendathe UBUNTU logo ;)10:42
MenZajenda: show me.10:42
MenZa...that sucks.10:42
jbrouhardOkay, Where shall i send you the originals ?10:42
jbrouhardi need to save the 2nd one first10:42
jendaMenZa: it's all that is needed and useful.10:43
jbrouhardPlease note10:43
MenZajenda: we need something unique10:43
jendajbrouhard:10:43
jenda@ubuntu.com10:43
jbrouhardthat both PSDs have "unseen" layers right now.  That's how I tend to work my graphics10:43
jbrouhardi can clean it up if need be10:43
jendaMenZa: please... logos are for branding. We have discussed this so many times. Does the art team have a logo? Does ubuntu.cz have logo?10:44
Burgworkthe last likely does10:44
Burgworkbut they have a reason to10:44
jendajbrouhard: it's for people who want to expand on your work, so act as you see fit. It's probably not necessary to clean that up.10:44
BurgworkMenZa, does the marketing dept of MS or IBM have a seperate logo from the corporate one?10:45
jendaBurgwork: http://ubuntu.cz/ I see none ;)10:45
MenZaBurgwork: are we the official marketing team then :P?10:45
Burgworkyes10:45
Burgworkubuntu canada and ubuntu aussie have one10:45
MenZaMy apologies.10:46
jbrouhardOk10:46
Burgworkbut then again, IBM Canada is slightly different than IBM world10:46
jbrouhardJenda: sending email.  Dunno if gmail wants to play nice w/ me today.10:46
jendaWell, we (.cz) have a logo, but it's only used on the wiki - to show how proud we are of it... or at least how the author is. (/me isn't on great terms there)10:46
jbrouhardAh, yes it sent.  You should have mail soon10:46
jendagotcha )10:46
jenda:)10:46
jbrouhardThat's two designs for ya10:48
jbrouhardI might give my self a 3rd shot, but I don't know if I have enough tacky tricks up my sleeve to try it10:48
jbrouhard<-- has two more designs to deal with, totally unrelated to Ubuntu10:48
MenZaSo what is it, See it, Ship it etc.?10:49
jbrouhardBBL10:49
MenZajenda: what's the wordplay10:50
MenZaSee it, Ship it, Get it etc.10:50
MenZajenda!10:50
jendaya ya ya :)10:50
jendaSee it, Try it, Get it, Shipit, SPREADIT10:51
jendawhat was your question?10:51
nixternalhttp://home.comcast.net/~nixternal/images/misg/new.png10:51
MenZaAlrright.10:52
nixternali love when it doesn't work10:52
nixternallol10:52
jendanixternal: nothing there10:52
nixternalhttp://home.comcast.net/~nixternal/images/misc/new.png10:52
bigtoethat is a great not found page nix10:52
nixternali don't know whats up with the marketing button..but thats not the way it looks in gimp10:52
nixternalanyways, you get the idea10:53
nixternalinstead of marketing it could be SpreadUbuntu in the button10:53
nixternalimho:  SpreadUbuntu & anything Marketing should not look different then http://www.ubuntu.com10:54
bigtoeagree10:55
nixternali think we spend to much time trying out things to be "different"..maybe we could progress a heck of a lot quicker, if we stick with what is there and what works... honest opinion again10:56
jendaI tihnk Spreadubuntu can look different if we decide for a fresh new thing. But _if_ there's a top bar, it sohuld be Ubuntu.11:00
MenZahttp://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4106/spreadubuntu1at.png <- I got bored and started sucking in the end. The base is there though11:01
nixternalif you keep with the Ubuntu top bar, then everything below should look similar11:01
nixternali like the fact that it is clean11:02
nixternalim for clean and effective..right to the point11:02
nixternali hate going to a site and thinking ok, this is where it is...when it isn't...so now i have to go looking for it again11:02
nixternalmaybe im just an e.tard though11:02
nixternalbut im always thinking about the "new guy"11:02
nixternalwhich is a flaw, and a good thing all wrapped up into one11:03
ompaulnixternal, your using a word that marketing considers important - without using its name11:03
ompaulconsistant11:03
ompaulconsistant look and feel11:03
MenZaompaul: amen.11:03
nixternalya11:03
nixternalunlike me11:03
ompaulthis is really important if you want people to see what is going on11:03
nixternalim not consistant in look and feel ;)11:03
MenZa<- go bed?11:04
nixternalhowever, ubuntuforums looks horrible trying to be consistent11:04
MenZaI love it.11:04
nixternali like the old layout much better11:04
nixternalif they keep the new layout, they need to shrink the "current or latest" message portion, as that makes it look kind of trashy to me11:05
ompaulpeople look at stuff first it is data: then they see it as organised data - or information - then it becomes knowledge which is useful patterns, this leads to level one creative thinking - understanding (groking) then wisdom or "systems thinking" this is the top level of where you can get to - we should be careful when we operate in the top level "if and when" with "why", assume that they already be ready to hand them "how and what"11:12
ompaulhttp://www.devel.co.uk/article/161/moving-up-the-advocacy-hierachy11:12
ompaulnot my own thinking11:12
ompaul:-)11:13
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bigtoewildtangent's example, other than the dapper color scheme is just about right on the money11:19
jendaI disagree: it has 5 sets of links on it, plus the 'back home' link on the logo.11:21
bigtoei mean as far as being consistant with ubuntu.com11:22
jendawell, it has the top bar if that's what you mean.11:22
jendaSpreadubuntu needs to be a lot simpler than u.c11:22
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bigtoeso you are thinking more like  jbrouhard's second example?11:28
jendaThat is more to my tastes, yes.11:28
jendaI'd add a back ground, perhaps.11:29
jendaMake it lighter... it's a little boxed-in.11:29
bigtoei agree it does look a bit boxed, but the white background, imo, is very clean and professional11:30
jendait's very nice, I like it.11:34
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jendaFinding things that can be improved is what I do :)11:35
jendaWait... no, finding the bed is what I should be doing instead...11:39
jendazZz11:39
bigtoeare you in gmt?11:41
bigtoeutc11:41
bigtoewhatever you want to call it11:41
jenda+211:44
jendaGood night11:44
bigtoeg'night11:44
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