[12:08] <bluefoxicy> LaserJock:  I don't know, someone /msg'd me like "are you a girl asl?"
[12:08] <LaserJock> haha
[12:30] <LaserJock> darn, I have a hard time not saying, "No we will not be shipping Gnome or Xorg at all, screen, irssi, and lyx are what is going to make edgy, edgy" :-)
[12:36] <fowlduck-> LaserJock, could you give me a hand packaging this? http://pastebin.ca/87393
[12:36] <fowlduck-> a small issue I'm sure, everything else has gone well
[12:40] <fowlduck-> LaserJock, I got it, someone from debian-mentors caught it.  it was installing to usr/man/man1 instead of usr/share/man/man1
[12:40] <LaserJock> oops
[12:41] <fowlduck-> yeah, the devil is in the details
[12:57] <fowlduck-> new question, what do you do if a Makefile doesn't have an install: section?
[01:07] <azeem> fowlduck-: fix the Makefile and send a patch upstream
[01:08] <azeem> unless the Makefile/program is totally trivial
[01:08] <fowlduck-> pretty much
[01:09] <azeem> then just put it in place in debian/rules' install: or binary*: target, maybe via dh_install
[01:10] <fowlduck-> yeh, thats what someone was saying
[01:16] <_ion> ajmitch: Hi. See the awaylog, i posted a patch that seems to fix the problem with the f-spot screensaver.
[02:39] <zul> hmmm...quiet
[02:39] <fowlduck-> a little too quiet
[02:43] <zul> hey hub
[02:53] <sharms2> I am running dpkg-buildpackage -S -sd -rfakeroot and am getting: /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 150: debian/rules: Permission denied
[02:54] <sharms2> and the line 150 in rules is: .PHONY: build clean binary-indep binary-arch binary install
[02:55] <crimsun> my cruddy connection has fubared edgy running on tiber; so if someone could kill the locks and ``pbuilder-edgy update''
[03:00] <jaldhar> sharms2: is line 150 the last line of debian/rules?
[03:07] <hub_> sharms2: I think it is line 150 of /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage
[03:08] <hub_> sharms2: can you run the command fakeroot?
[03:26] <zul> fun fun..
[03:27] <jaldhar> dpkg-buildpackage is a binary so it is unlikely it has a 'line 150'
[03:29] <hub_> jaldhar: are you sure?
[03:30] <hub_> /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage: Bourne shell script text executable
[03:31] <hub_> that is what I have here
[03:39] <jaldhar> hub_: hmm, you're right.
[03:42] <Hobbsee> morning all
[03:42] <jaldhar> anyway my guess to sharms2's problem was that debian/rules is not executable
[03:42] <Hawkwind> Hobbsee: Evening/Morning to ya
[03:44] <Hobbsee> hi Hawkwind
[03:44] <Hobbsee> morning
[03:45] <zul> evening to most everyone else Hobbsee, geez get with the program
[03:45] <Hawkwind> How's aussie land bright and early
[03:45] <Hobbsee> @time sydney
[03:45] <Hawkwind> Heh zul
[03:45] <Ubugtu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: July 14 2006, 11:45:18
[03:45] <Hobbsee> zul: stop living in the past!
[03:45] <Hawkwind> zul: She's in our future
[03:45] <Hobbsee> you think it's still friday.
[03:45] <Hawkwind> You mean Thursday
[03:45] <Hawkwind> Heh
[03:45] <Hawkwind> @time chicago
[03:45] <Ubugtu> Current time in America/Chicago: July 13 2006, 20:45:55
[03:46] <Hobbsee> it's friday.  stop living in the past
[03:51] <zul> i try to...i like to go forward once in  a while
[03:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:27] <hub_> I should relally upgrade to inkscape
[04:28] <fowlduck> it's nice
[04:28] <hub_> to edgy I meant
[04:28] <fowlduck> the new one, .44 is excellent, don't think it's updated in the repos yet
[04:28] <fowlduck> oh
[04:28] <hub_> (to get a new inkscape)
[04:28] <hub_> fowlduck: it seems to be in edgy
[04:28] <fowlduck> hub_: would you happen to know if the ubuntu text installer is identical in breezy and dapper?
[04:29] <hub_> fowlduck: I haven't seen one in Dapper
[04:29] <hub_> dapper use ubuntu express
[04:29] <fowlduck> oh, it's on the "Alternative" CD
[04:29] <hub_> I have the shipit cds
[04:29] <fowlduck> i see
[04:30] <hub> damn I have to rebuild libgc first
[04:30] <hub> *sigh*
[04:30] <fowlduck> there is a forum post, someone posted the .44 package
[04:30] <fowlduck> why upgrade to edgy when you can just install one package
[04:30] <fowlduck> or package it yourself
[04:31] <hub> I'm rebuilding the pacjage
[04:31] <hub> from edgy
[04:31] <fowlduck> cool
[04:31] <hub> on dapper
[04:31] <hub> I'll upgrade to edgy after OLS
[04:31] <fowlduck> OLS?
[04:31] <hub> I need a stable laptop
[04:31] <hub> Ottawa Linux Symposium
[04:31] <fowlduck> oh
[04:31] <fowlduck> ok?
[04:31] <fowlduck> hmm, seems no one knows about the installer
[04:31] <fowlduck> guess I'll go with it
[04:35] <fowlduck> i've been sitting too long
[04:35] <fowlduck> ugh
[07:35] <RichJ> set chanact_
[09:18] <dholbach> good morning
[09:28] <Gloubiboulga> hello MOTU world
[09:55] <crimsun> hi gauvain, daniel
[10:02] <dholbach> hey daniel
[10:03] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: there are some more dapper bug reports claiming that gnumeric-gtk does something that gnumeric doesn't ;)
[10:03] <dholbach> Gloubiboulga: you might want to add yourself as gnumeric bug subscriber ;)
[10:18] <zakame> hi all
[10:18] <crimsun> hi zak
[10:18] <zakame> heya crimsun ! :D
[11:07] <onkarshinde> jdong: I hope I am not disturbing you in your usual work.
[11:23] <jdong> onkarshinde: no disturbance at all :)
[11:23] <jdong> thanks for your participation in backports
[11:27] <onkarshinde> jdong: I am happy to help all the way I can. I haven't learned packaging yet. Hope to help with backporting soon.
[11:27] <jdong> cool; glad to hear that
[11:27] <jdong> I was just out on a 2-week trip
[11:27] <jdong> so I'm catching up here, too
[11:29] <onkarshinde> jdong: Just wanted to pull your attention toward ekiga backport request if you haven't noticed yet.
[11:30] <crimsun> onkarshinde: that's not necessarily a smart idea. Several people have reported outright crashes with Edgy's ekiga.
[11:31] <jason_> any body know why 'gksu -a' dosn't always force to ask for a password
[11:35] <onkarshinde> crimsun: Ok. I didn't know that. I was just hoping that latest bugfixes in 2.0.2 will be helpful.
[11:36] <crimsun> onkarshinde: I'm sure they would be, but like any freeze exception, we have to weigh new updates carefully.
[11:38] <onkarshinde> crimsun: hmm
[11:47] <crimsun> siretart: ping (RE: bug 52936)
[11:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52936 in xine-lib "libxine1-dbg empty" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52936
[12:07] <siretart> crimsun: oh, right. my fault
[12:07] <siretart> crimsun: will fix
[12:07] <crimsun> siretart: hi, because compat v4 is used, libxine-main1-dbg would be the name of the package, no (not libxine1-dbg)? Also, the build-dependency version on binutils needs to be raised to >= 2.14.90.0.7 according to dh_strip(1) due to --dbg-package being used.
[12:08] <siretart> ah. ok
[12:09] <siretart> crimsun: I have the package in a bzr branch, feel free to fix it in your branch ;)
[12:09] <crimsun> atm test-building to verify via dpkg-deb -c
[12:11] <crimsun> yep, that was it
[12:11] <crimsun> crimsun@adhd:~/pbuilder/result$ dpkg-deb -c libxine-main1-dbg_1.1.2-2ubuntu2_amd64.deb |wc -l
[12:11] <Toadstool> hi everybody
[12:11] <crimsun> 106
[12:12] <crimsun> siretart: I'm on a very, very slow connection atm (33.6 kbps dialup), mind if I just attach a debdiff?
[12:14] <StevenK> Whee
[12:14] <StevenK> 33k6
[12:14] <crimsun> heh, the jitter makes it worse than a 14.4 :(
[12:23] <jdong> onkarshinde: I'm also thinking of delaying the ekiga backport until it stabilizes
[12:23] <jdong> IMO our current version works well enough
[12:23] <jdong> and it's a marketed piece of the Dapper experience, so not something I'd want to screw up :)
[12:24] <onkarshinde> jdong: No problem.
[12:32] <jdong> onkarshinde: regarding bug 52486, I don't see gnucash 2.0.0 in edgy
[12:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52486 in dapper-backports "GnuCash 2.0.0 " [Untriaged,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52486
[12:34] <slomo> jdong: ehm it is in edgy :)
[12:34] <onkarshinde> jdong: Checked on packages.ubuntu.com. The package in edgy is still 1.9.8.
[12:35] <slomo> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+source/gnucash/2.0.0-1
[12:35] <StevenK> 2.0.0-1 *source* is in edgy
[12:35] <slomo> it simply failed to build
[12:35] <StevenK> The binaries are still 1.9.8
[12:35] <onkarshinde> slomo: What are reasons for failure?
[12:36] <slomo> broken python some days ago it seems... should build fine now
[12:39] <siretart> crimsun: no problem
[12:46] <Riddell> rob: actually it's already uploaded, but I found a couple of issues anyway http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2627
[12:46] <rob> ok, I'll take a look
[12:50] <rob> Riddell, it failed to build without the docbook-xml build-dep for the man page
[01:00] <Arbiter> any REVU admin here?
[01:03] <\sh> no ;)
[01:04] <\sh> Arbiter: what's the problem with rev?
[01:04] <\sh> revu?
[01:04] <Arbiter> heh... i just added myself to the launchpad group... i think that a gpg keyring refresh is required
[01:05] <Riddell> rob: really?  worked for me, but it's not too important
[01:06] <rob> I fixed the .desktop file (copies to debian/dolphin now), just testing the build and I'll upload it to revu soon
[01:06] <Riddell> rob: did you patch it too?
[01:06] <rob> oh, no
[01:08] <rob> won't revu provide a debdiff anyway?
[01:09] <Arbiter> \sh, i've sent an email to keyring@revu.blah blah blah (the old way) in order to insert the new GPG key into the REVU keyring but Stefan told me to join the launchpad group and then request a revu's keyring request :D
[01:10] <Arbiter> *refresh
[01:10] <Arbiter> ehm...
[01:10] <Arbiter> :P
[01:13] <Arbiter> \sh, just tell me when done.. i have to upload some packages ;)
[01:13] <\sh> Arbiter: well, I think you need to re-upload them when you are added
[01:14] <Arbiter> uhm..
[01:14] <Arbiter> no problem
[01:16] <rob> Riddell, the only change was to the rules file, does this still need a patch?
[01:16] <Riddell> rob: the .desktop files needs a patch to add a Categories= line
[01:16] <rob> as well?
[01:17] <Riddell> yes
[01:17] <rob> ok
[01:23] <rob> Riddell, the original .desktop file has a Categories line
[01:23] <rob> Categories=System;FileManager
[01:25] <Riddell> it does?  I can't see it
[01:25] <rob> its about half way down, src/dolphin.desktop
[01:26] <Riddell> oh, that must have been added in 0.5.2, I was looking on my system which has 0.5.1
[01:26] <rob> ah
[01:27] <rob> yeah, there have been a lot of updates since the one on the web site
[01:27] <rob> (the dolphin web site that is)
[01:27] <Riddell> groovy, well best thing would be to tell upstream to use XDG in his Makefile.am
[01:28] <rob> its not to standard?
[01:28] <Riddell> no, it uses the obsolete applnk stuff
[01:29] <rob> ok, I'll pass that on
[01:29] <Riddell> kdelnk_DATA = dolphin.desktop, it should use xdg_apps_DATA = dolphin.desktop
[01:30] <Riddell> rob: thanks for packaging dolphin, I've had a couple of requests for it.  if you need other kde stuff reviewed give me a ping or join us on #kubuntu-devel
[01:30] <rob> no problems, thanks, I'll probably take you up on that :)
[02:46] <zul> hiho
[02:47] <Gloubiboulga> hi zul
[03:06] <cypher1> hi masters
[03:07] <cypher1> ;)
[03:40] <phanatic> hi motus
[03:42] <Erlang> ... and non-motus.
[03:44] <Hobbsee> hi phanatic, Erlang
[03:44] <phanatic> hey Hobbsee
[03:44] <phanatic> Erlang: right :)
[04:04] <zakame> hi all
[04:06] <phanatic> hey zakame
[04:08] <Hobbsee> hi zakame
[04:13] <zakame> hi phanatic Hobbsee
[04:26] <givre> hi guys, i'm not sure that it's the right channel to ask that, but vmware-player-kernel-modules need to be updated for the new kernel
[04:29] <givre> it's could be great if there were something more automatic, to be fast, the kernel update was 2 days ago...
[04:30] <givre> or a metapackage who wait for all the module to be updated
[04:31] <Hobbsee> givre: please file a bug for that, under the source package for vmware-player-kernel-modules
[04:31] <givre> Hobbsee, ok thanks, i'll do that
[04:41] <dholbach> givre: BenC is aware of that.
[04:41] <givre> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/vmware-player-kernel-2.6.15 that was just fone i sppose
[05:08] <zul> uh...i uploaded an update for vmware-player a while ago
[05:10] <web-user56> [*willyt@*.dynamic.hinet.net] 
[05:10] <web-user56> [t1234] 
[05:13] <givre> zul, yeah right, the source package is ok, but the binary is still not there http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=vmware&searchon=names&subword=1&version=dapper&release=all
[05:15] <zul> ill bug pitti
[05:35] <john> holy shit, www.mldesigners.com just released full disclosure on a gmail exploit, who at gmail should i contact?
[05:36] <pygi> john, where do you see that?
[05:37] <mukund> pygi: he's likely a spammer advertising that website
[05:38] <pygi> mukund, ofcourse
[05:38] <mukund> reading that message, one would be tempted to visit the website
[05:38] <pygi> hehe :)
[05:57] <sladen> D'oh!
[06:00] <pygi> imbrandon, you now here?
[06:01] <imbrandon> i'm everywhere /whois me and see all the channels i idle in ;)
[06:04] <mukund> hi sladen
[06:06] <schofield> anyone here?
[06:06] <schofield> hi lbm
[06:07] <lbm> hi schofield
[06:07] <schofield> could i ask you about ubuntu universe packages?
[06:08] <phanatic> schofield: you could ask anyone ;)
[06:08] <schofield> ok, great :)
[06:08] <schofield> There's a package in Debian unstable that I'd like to get into Edgy
[06:08] <schofield> called python-numpy
[06:09] <schofield> for numerical computing in Python.
[06:09] <phanatic> if it works on ubuntu without modification, you should file a sync request afaik
[06:09] <_ion> http://packages.ubuntu.com/src:python-numpy
[06:10] <schofield> Okay, nice
[06:10] <schofield> so it's already there
[06:10] <schofield> I'd also like to get a newer version of python-scipy in, which depends on python-numpy
[06:10] <schofield> but that's not in sid yet.
[06:11] <schofield> When's the deadline for this?
[06:13] <lfittl> schofield: September 28th
[06:13] <schofield> thanks, lfittl
[06:14] <schofield> Is there a website with such dates for Edgy?
[06:14] <lfittl> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseSchedule
[06:15] <schofield> thanks :)
[06:15] <lfittl> np
[07:18] <Arbiter> i need a REVU admin...
[07:18] <Arbiter> have you done the keyring refresh?
[07:19] <Arbiter> (i see all my uploads rejected)
[07:20] <LaserJock> siretart: ping? ^^
[07:56] <LaserJock> is the FSF address the Franklin St one?
[07:57] <crimsun> yes
[07:57] <crimsun> (which is why the newest Python policy is amusing to me0
[07:57] <crimsun> )
[07:58] <LaserJock> heh, yeah
[07:59] <fowlduck> ??
[08:02] <LaserJock> fowlduck: ?
[09:30] <zul> what does DH_OPTIONS do?
[09:35] <LaserJock> gives options to all dh_*
[09:35] <zul> ahok..
[09:36] <LaserJock> so if you have a common flag you need to give to all dh_* you can use that
[09:36] <LaserJock> btw, man debhelper has some cool info
[09:37] <LaserJock> it has what the different compat levels actually mean
[11:05] <LaserJock> hmm, how do I keep an ssh connection alive?
[11:05] <nixternal> use it
[11:05] <LaserJock> other then that :-)
[11:06] <nixternal> hehe..i know there are clients that allow you to do a "keep connection alive" setting..but just using ssh via cli i don't know
[11:06] <pygi> LaserJock, do a ping every 10 secs?
[11:06] <LaserJock> pygi: hmm, that might work
[11:06] <ogra> why should it die ?
[11:07] <LaserJock> ogra: they usually have some timeout for inactivity
[11:07] <ogra> i usually am connected to my server until the DSL reconnect pops in
[11:07] <nixternal> because the server has a set "timeout" for inactivity
[11:07] <LaserJock> some terminals automatically send a keep alive
[11:07] <LaserJock> but I've got the xterm in OSX that keeps dying on me
[11:08] <LaserJock> I'm ssh'ing from OS X to and Ubuntu box
[11:08] <nixternal> maybe it is local?
[11:08] <nixternal> maybe the term inactivity is dying
[11:08] <LaserJock> nah, I can us the OS X terminal and it's fine
[11:08] <nixternal> k
[11:08] <nixternal> hey
[11:09] <nixternal> http://www.openssh.com/faq.html#2.12
[11:09] <nixternal> there you go sir
[11:09] <nixternal> enjoy!!!
[11:09] <LaserJock> ah, that's what I was looking for
[11:10] <LaserJock> I was looking for Timeout in sshd_config
[11:10] <nixternal> heh, i just figured you know, a phd, you might have some google skillz ;)
[11:10] <nixternal> hahah
[11:11] <LaserJock> haha
[11:11] <LaserJock> very funny
[11:11] <nixternal> ;)
[11:11] <nixternal> actually..i didn't google it..it was the first thing i saw when i opened the ssh faq
[11:11] <LaserJock> who needs google when you've got #ubuntu-* ? ;-)
[11:12] <LaserJock> my own personal wikipedia
[11:12] <nixternal> lol
[11:16] <LaserJock> lol, now I have to figure out how to restart ssh in OS X
[11:17] <LaserJock> I was looking for a /etc/init.d but alas I had to settle for a GUI
[11:23] <phanatic> evening
[11:25] <pygi> phanatic, ! :)
[11:25] <phanatic> hey pygi :)