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| toma | Tonio__: fyi, new gwenview is out | 12:27 |
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| Tonio__ | toma: argh ! I performed the merge 3 days ago ;) | 12:30 |
| Tonio__ | I'll do it again then... | 12:30 |
| toma | Tonio__: the good news is that it should be streightforward now ;-) | 12:30 |
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| Tonio__ | toma: ping ? | 01:51 |
| toma | Tonio__: pongg | 01:51 |
| Tonio__ | just a little question cause I'm a bit embarrassed actually | 01:51 |
| Tonio__ | toma: I just discovered there is no /etc/init.d/inetd script in ubuntu.... | 01:52 |
| Tonio__ | how it inet.d launch managed ? | 01:52 |
| Tonio__ | I have one on debian | 01:52 |
| Tonio__ | sounds strange........ | 01:52 |
| toma | hmm, i dont know actually | 01:52 |
| toma | i seem to have a /etc/init.d/inetd | 01:53 |
| Tonio__ | tomahu ? | 01:53 |
| Tonio__ | tonio@kubuntu:~$ find /etc/init.d/ | grep inet | 01:54 |
| Tonio__ | tonio@kubuntu:~$ | 01:54 |
| Tonio__ | toma: ubuntu dapper too ? | 01:54 |
| toma | yep | 01:54 |
| toma | it is available in netkit-inetd | 01:55 |
| Tonio__ | is it normal that isn't installed by default ? | 01:56 |
| Tonio__ | on the desktop I can understand, but on the server............. that's a bit weird | 01:56 |
| toma | yes | 01:56 |
| Tonio__ | imagin you want to install uw-imap for example.......... it will never start | 01:57 |
| toma | for server you would expect it installed | 01:57 |
| Tonio__ | of course........ | 01:57 |
| Tonio__ | I will post a mail on the server ml concerning this | 01:57 |
| toma | yes | 01:57 |
| Tonio__ | or if you don't, you need to make sure that inetd based apps depend on that package.... at least | 01:57 |
| toma | hmm | 01:58 |
| toma | you can use uw-imap as a daemon | 01:58 |
| toma | so a depend is a bit harsh | 01:58 |
| toma | but if it is the default..... | 01:58 |
| Tonio__ | toma: you always can, but that means you will write the init.d script.......... | 01:58 |
| Tonio__ | which isn't provided by default | 01:58 |
| Tonio__ | and there is a postinst script that configures inetd to use it | 01:59 |
| Tonio__ | that's why I feel stupid not to have a dependance on it | 01:59 |
| toma | yes | 01:59 |
| toma | tehe current amount of packages depending on that packages is very low though | 01:59 |
| toma | lsb-base will install it though | 02:02 |
| toma | uw-imap should depend on that i think | 02:02 |
| toma | hmm no | 02:03 |
| toma | i'm tired | 02:03 |
| Tonio__ | night toma | 02:06 |
| toma | night | 02:07 |
| Tonio__ | thanks for the help | 02:07 |
| toma | yw | 02:07 |
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| seaLne | Riddell: what sizes? | 02:18 |
| Riddell | seaLne: me size | 02:19 |
| Riddell | and a couple of other sizes | 02:19 |
| Riddell | and bring one that's Mark Shuttleworth size, we'll see if we can get him to buy one :) | 02:19 |
| seaLne | cool :) | 02:21 |
| seaLne | would i be able to prise an ubuntu tshirt out of him? :) | 02:22 |
| Riddell | don't think so, they've only had a couple of batches made and they were both for distro summits | 02:22 |
| seaLne | large which is the biggest i have is 44" which should be fine for you, i'm medium | 02:22 |
| Riddell | whit? yous saying I'm fat likes? | 02:23 |
| seaLne | :) | 02:23 |
| seaLne | i was thinking on bringing about 20 tshirts down with me | 02:24 |
| seaLne | s,m and l | 02:24 |
| Riddell | sounds good | 02:25 |
| seaLne | i think asuming i sell all of the current run, i will do some XL | 02:25 |
| seaLne | people ae bigger than i thought :) | 02:25 |
| seaLne | but then i thought small would have fit me, more dieting i suppose | 02:26 |
| Riddell | dannya should be on the KDE/kubuntu stand too | 02:28 |
| seaLne | cool :) | 02:28 |
| Riddell | and maybe my Krissy will come along for a bit | 02:28 |
| seaLne | should i bring a laptop?, i personally probably don't have much use for one | 02:29 |
| seaLne | laxk of interweb etc | 02:29 |
| Riddell | yeah, hadn't thought | 02:29 |
| Riddell | I'll ask Ben Lamb what he's thinking of brining | 02:29 |
| seaLne | just getting home from the pub may be a bit obvious from my typing :) | 02:29 |
| seaLne | nn | 02:32 |
| Riddell | /msg | 02:33 |
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| DaSkreech | Is there a qt interface to Smart? | 03:36 |
| abattoir | DaSkreech: no | 03:44 |
| DaSkreech | Ok didn't think so | 03:45 |
| abattoir | DaSkreech: only the GTK+ one, heard it might be in the works though :) | 03:45 |
| DaSkreech | By Whom? | 03:46 |
| abattoir | DaSkreech: i'm not sure, just hearsay knowledge :P | 03:46 |
| DaSkreech | The best kind :) | 03:47 |
| abattoir | lol | 03:47 |
| abattoir | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartPackageManager | 03:48 |
| abattoir | See Outstanding issues :) | 03:48 |
| DaSkreech | It's used by many other distros? | 03:56 |
| abattoir | not that i'm aware of :P | 03:56 |
| DaSkreech | Heh | 03:57 |
| abattoir | afaik, Canonical is it's main 'sponsor' | 03:58 |
| DaSkreech | I like the Riddell comment | 03:59 |
| abattoir | indeed :) | 04:03 |
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| Tm_T | hi kids | 05:23 |
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| abattoir | hello uncle :P | 05:25 |
| abattoir | we haven't been naughty while you were away ;) | 05:26 |
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| nixternal | hiya Hobbsee | 05:30 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: Welcome! | 05:31 |
| DaSkreech | damn you nixternal! | 05:31 |
| Hobbsee | hi all | 05:31 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 05:31 |
| Hobbsee | hi nixternal and DaSkreech! | 05:31 |
| Hobbsee | did kopete 0.12.1 get built for dapper? | 05:31 |
| DaSkreech | I downgraded to 0.11 and it works now | 05:32 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: what works now? | 05:32 |
| DaSkreech | Oscar | 05:32 |
| nixternal | icq | 05:32 |
| nixternal | yup | 05:32 |
| DaSkreech | You went ot 0.11 as well? | 05:32 |
| nixternal | on my other system since i use icq | 05:33 |
| DaSkreech | I'm getting the Yahoo beta now | 05:33 |
| nixternal | actually..im getting ready to setup bitlbee and get rid of kopete all together | 05:33 |
| DaSkreech | Man I hate webinstalls | 05:33 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: fix for that is in my kopete edgy packages, or 0.12.1 | 05:33 |
| nixternal | good deal Hobbsee | 05:34 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: ping? | 05:34 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: want them built for i386 dapper, i take it? | 05:34 |
| nixternal | they need to be built for all platforms right? | 05:34 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: well, eyah | 05:35 |
| nixternal | hehe | 05:35 |
| === Hobbsee isnt sure what chroots are on imbrandon's machine. | ||
| nixternal | im a k7/i386 kinda guy...but i am in no hurry either | 05:35 |
| Hobbsee | oh good - the alias does work! | 05:35 |
| imbrandon | dchroot -c dapper -d and s/dapper/edgy | 05:36 |
| imbrandon | brb on the phone | 05:36 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: heya | 05:36 |
| Hobbsee | okay | 05:36 |
| Hobbsee | heh, thanks | 05:36 |
| nixternal | woohoo...cabo san lucas here i come!!! | 05:37 |
| imbrandon | hrm | 05:37 |
| imbrandon | nixternal, do you have | 05:37 |
| nixternal | nope | 05:37 |
| imbrandon | vfat partition mounted ? | 05:37 |
| nixternal | heh, i was actually right on that one ;) | 05:37 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: no idea, havent looked yet | 05:37 |
| nixternal | i don't use no stinkin' fat anything | 05:37 |
| === Hobbsee fishes around imbrandon's hard drive. | ||
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: where'd you put the config files for pbuilder? | 05:37 |
| Tm_T | Hobbsee <3 | 05:37 |
| Hobbsee | hi Tm_T | 05:38 |
| Tm_T | :) | 05:38 |
| Tm_T | abattoir: hi to you too | 05:38 |
| abattoir | Tm_T: :D | 05:38 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, i dont have it setup on that box, they are just plain chroots | 05:38 |
| imbrandon | set em up if you want | 05:38 |
| imbrandon | ( pbuilder ) | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: you've got pbuilder stuff in your home dir, it looks like | 05:39 |
| === Hobbsee might just rm -rf them, and start again. | ||
| imbrandon | yea thats a nfs homedir for all my boxes ;) | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: ah...right....so i probably shouldnt delete it? | 05:39 |
| imbrandon | yea ;)/home is a nfs share ;) | 05:39 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 05:39 |
| === Hobbsee wonders which config file will try to use it | ||
| Hobbsee | !pbuilder | 05:40 |
| ubotu | pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto | 05:40 |
| imbrandon | it wont use one from my /home/brandon thats for sure | 05:40 |
| Hobbsee | maybe | 05:40 |
| nixternal | !classroom | 05:40 |
| ubotu | The Ubuntu Classroom is a project which aims to tutor users about Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu through biweekly sessions in #ubuntu-classroom - For more information visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom | 05:40 |
| Hobbsee | guess it's not named right | 05:40 |
| nixternal | that ownz | 05:40 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah I just saw it | 05:40 |
| Hobbsee | okay, nothing pbuilder related in /usr/local/bin, so i should be able to write to it | 05:42 |
| nixternal | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates the "karamba" on the list that builds agains gamin, that is superkaramba i am guessing? | 05:58 |
| Hobbsee | yeah it would be | 05:59 |
| nixternal | k | 05:59 |
| Hobbsee | man that's a lot of packages to update | 05:59 |
| nixternal | so i take it none of those are going to be in knot 1 then | 05:59 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: they will be, but they'll still have a dep on libgamin0 | 05:59 |
| nixternal | or they are, just build agains libgamin0 | 05:59 |
| === Hobbsee think she'll wait for wednesday for that stuff. | ||
| nixternal | ahhh ya | 05:59 |
| nixternal | k | 05:59 |
| nixternal | i wanted to play with some simple packaging here for some more exercises.. | 06:00 |
| === Hobbsee looks. | ||
| === Hobbsee looks again | ||
| nixternal | one more look and you might have it ;0 | 06:01 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: go for it - there's plenty of packages to do - just make sure you're running an up to date edgy pbuilder. | 06:01 |
| abattoir | would karamba be superkaramba or just plain old karamba? | 06:01 |
| nixternal | pbuilder -update | 06:01 |
| nixternal | right? | 06:01 |
| Hobbsee | hobbsee@voyager:~$ uname -a | 06:01 |
| Hobbsee | Linux voyager 2.6.15-26-686 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jul 7 19:48:22 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux | 06:01 |
| Hobbsee | no - | 06:02 |
| nixternal | i already have an edgy pbuilder done | 06:02 |
| nixternal | doh | 06:02 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: thought you said you were on amd64? | 06:02 |
| Hobbsee | makes it easier if you're on i386 though | 06:02 |
| imbrandon | nah voyager is i386 | 06:03 |
| imbrandon | birdofprey ( the nfs server ) is amd64 | 06:03 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: oh nice! and that's the good building machine? | 06:03 |
| Hobbsee | ahhhh.. | 06:03 |
| imbrandon | yea your on the good building machine and its i386 | 06:03 |
| Hobbsee | excellent | 06:03 |
| === Hobbsee tries to copy over some settings. | ||
| nixternal | Hobbsee: i didn't even see the - up there...so i was like wth is no - | 06:04 |
| Hobbsee | hhe | 06:04 |
| DaSkreech | !karamba | 06:06 |
| ubotu | superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org | 06:06 |
| nixternal | waste of cpu | 06:07 |
| Hobbsee | does anything kde based give you graphical ssh? | 06:08 |
| chavo | Hobbsee, konsole :) | 06:09 |
| Hobbsee | chavo: note "graphical" :P | 06:09 |
| Hobbsee | that's hwat i had been using | 06:09 |
| nixternal | kssh | 06:09 |
| chavo | you can use fish://username@server in konqueror | 06:09 |
| nixternal | oh ya, forgot about that | 06:09 |
| DaSkreech | Isn't that waste of CPU basically going to be built into KDE4? | 06:09 |
| nixternal | there is so much stuff in konvo | 06:10 |
| Hobbsee | ah, is it fish? i only tried ssh/ | 06:10 |
| nixternal | is that what they are going to use for widgets? | 06:10 |
| chavo | yeah fish rocks, you can put shortcuts in the open/save dialog and use it anywhere | 06:10 |
| Hobbsee | excellent :) | 06:10 |
| === nixternal loves the cli ssh'n | ||
| Hobbsee | nixternal: i do, but copying specific files graphically is easier | 06:13 |
| === Hobbsee needs to learn to use screen next. | ||
| nixternal | screen rox | 06:13 |
| DaSkreech | Ohhh screen rocks! | 06:13 |
| nixternal | it is as easy as | 06:14 |
| nixternal | screen | 06:14 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt usually get to play on other people's machines :P | ||
| nixternal | screen -r | 06:14 |
| nixternal | heh, every time i did that, little men in black suits show up ;) | 06:14 |
| === Hobbsee will modify these files locally, then upload them, she thinks. | ||
| Hobbsee | shit. | 06:21 |
| Hobbsee | that wasnt quite the plan :P | 06:21 |
| Hobbsee | okay, tha'ts killed off the graphical ssh session. | 06:22 |
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| Hobbsee | and now we're back to running at normal speed. | 06:25 |
| Hobbsee | good. | 06:26 |
| DaSkreech | Hi Hobbsee | 06:26 |
| DaSkreech | Night | 06:26 |
| DaSkreech | Going to try and get better | 06:26 |
| Hobbsee | night DaSkreech | 06:26 |
| abattoir | DaSkreech: your partition is free of errors? :) | 06:26 |
| DaSkreech | Oh No still screwed | 06:27 |
| abattoir | oh :( | 06:27 |
| DaSkreech | It works :) | 06:27 |
| DaSkreech | Still worrying though | 06:27 |
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| === Hobbsee attacks pbuilder with a large pointy stick. | ||
| === rob runs from Hobbsee | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 07:24 |
| Hobbsee | rob: it's being annoying, and i've forgotten how i got it to work before. | 07:24 |
| rob | hehe I know the pain :( | 07:24 |
| === Hobbsee is sure she didnt have to blatantly hard code things last time. | ||
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| Hobbsee | nixternal: if you want to do some of those merges, you're welcome - just tell me where you're starting from | 07:43 |
| Hobbsee | although i may delay till i have upload privs. | 07:43 |
| Hobbsee | depends how long it takes me to get this delightful thing working. | 07:43 |
| === nixternal will hold off on that since i am still refreshing my packaging skillz..unless merging is a heck of a lot simpler..but i don't ever remembering it being easier ;) | ||
| Hobbsee | nixternal: removing a build dep/dep? should be very simple :) | 07:44 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: easier than the dh_iconcache stuff, although i guess you never did that | 07:44 |
| nixternal | messed with it briefly is all i can say with the iconcache | 07:45 |
| Hobbsee | speaking of which, did someone ever do kvpnc? | 07:45 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: which merges were you referring to??? so i can give them a quick lookover | 07:47 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: not merging, gamin rebuild stuff. | 07:47 |
| nixternal | ahhh | 07:47 |
| nixternal | hmm..the first sentence says "After Knot 1" | 07:47 |
| nixternal | which is like now isn't it | 07:48 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: that's true. i'm not sure when it is | 07:48 |
| nixternal | this week | 07:48 |
| nixternal | i thought the 14th for some reason | 07:48 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: i would assume on monday/tues/wed or so | 07:48 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, it was supposed to be this week | 07:48 |
| Hobbsee | i think we might just have success... | 08:08 |
| Hobbsee | sorta | 08:08 |
| Hobbsee | you. are. kidding. | 08:19 |
| Hobbsee | this better not be the problem. | 08:19 |
| Hobbsee | no,it isnt. grr. | 08:23 |
| nixternal | lol | 08:24 |
| === nixternal documents Hobbsee's passion | ||
| Hobbsee | nixternal: unfortunately, i cant defenstrate this machine. | 08:24 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: it is time to take a break when you start using IRC to express your feeling, your anger, or your passion ;) | 08:24 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: hah. | 08:24 |
| nixternal | although, i detected sarcasm from crimsun tonight on irc.. | 08:25 |
| nixternal | maybe i need a break | 08:25 |
| nixternal | i actually have the feeling that i am not doing enough to help out, i feel like i have a lot of free time to spare | 08:26 |
| nixternal | maybe i am just a big looser | 08:26 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: i get that too :P | 08:26 |
| Hobbsee | no you're nto | 08:26 |
| nixternal | whew | 08:26 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: you're new at this. | 08:26 |
| nixternal | new..i did this with SuSe for a good 5 years b4 i about jumped from a bridge ;) | 08:26 |
| nixternal | but that was back when i was into programming...that was also the time i totally switched fields in IT | 08:27 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: give that gamin stuff a go - no one around to upload it (yet), but | 08:28 |
| nixternal | i will at least grab a package and source and take a look | 08:29 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: make sure you grab it from the right distro - iv'e screwed that before :P | 08:36 |
| nixternal | apt-get source kflickr | 08:36 |
| nixternal | that is how i am grabbing it from us | 08:36 |
| nixternal | then i am getting the 0.6 from sourceforge | 08:36 |
| nixternal | that came out last week | 08:37 |
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| Hobbsee | nixternal: i got it! | 08:44 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: yeah, but which distro are you running? dapper? | 08:44 |
| Hobbsee | you need the edgy sources to build for edgy (mutter mutter grumble grumble at trying to patch 0.12 with a 0.11 patch!) | 08:45 |
| nixternal | ya Hobbsee | 08:45 |
| nixternal | running dapper | 08:45 |
| nixternal | hrmm... | 08:45 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: you need to either login to a edgy pbuilder, or grab the source from packages.ubuntu.com - again, make sure it's edgy, then run dpkg-source -x foo.dsc | 08:46 |
| nixternal | got it | 08:46 |
| nixternal | ahhh haaaa | 08:47 |
| Hobbsee | :D | 08:47 |
| nixternal | i was wondering where all the libgamin was ;) | 08:47 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 08:47 |
| Hobbsee | okay, it's kopete building time! | 08:47 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 08:49 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: wha't sup? | 08:50 |
| nixternal | i get a 'File to Patch:' entry after running cd kflickr-0.5/ && uupdate ../kflickr-0.6.tar.gz | 08:50 |
| nixternal | never seen this one b4 | 08:50 |
| Hobbsee | bleck, uupdate hey? | 08:50 |
| nixternal | following crims | 08:51 |
| Hobbsee | you need to check for current patches, and see if they still apply first | 08:51 |
| Hobbsee | yeah yeah. | 08:51 |
| === Hobbsee doenst trust uupdate. | ||
| Hobbsee | it fubar'd my package once. | 08:51 |
| Hobbsee | but it was a nice tool :) | 08:51 |
| nixternal | current patches from upstream? | 08:51 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: yeah, see if ubuntu added anything | 08:51 |
| Hobbsee | use dch to view the changelog | 08:51 |
| nixternal | nope | 08:52 |
| nixternal | everything is 0.5 | 08:52 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm... | 08:52 |
| === Hobbsee just does upgrades manually. less easy to fubar that way. | ||
| === ajmitch has never used uupdate | ||
| Hobbsee | hey ajmitch | 08:53 |
| ajmitch | hello | 08:53 |
| Hobbsee | okay, this is working, i'm happy now. | 08:53 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: fill me in on the manual if it is quick and easy? | 08:54 |
| === Hobbsee had to hardcode the edgy directory to make it read the apt-cache. | ||
| Hobbsee | nixternal: have a look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18057 | 08:55 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell gave me excellent directions :) | 08:55 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: s/apt-get source/ directions from above w.r.t packages.ubuntu.com and dpkg-source -x | 08:56 |
| nixternal | k | 08:56 |
| === nixternal gives that a try | ||
| Hobbsee | aye, i think i'm in trouble now. | 08:58 |
| === Hobbsee inadvertantly killed apachelogger's changes to kopete, as he didnt speak to me, and i'd been doing the last few upgrades. | ||
| === Hobbsee suspects he wont like that. | ||
| nixternal | lol | 08:59 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: for kflickr there is already a debian directory | 09:00 |
| nixternal | should that get wiped out, and cp over the old...or keep this one | 09:00 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: ouch? | 09:01 |
| nixternal | hehe | 09:01 |
| === Hobbsee checks the packaging guide. | ||
| === nixternal has it open on puter and in lap | ||
| nixternal | hehe | 09:01 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: check the section on common mistakes | 09:02 |
| nixternal | does it have my picture next to it? | 09:02 |
| nixternal | ;) | 09:02 |
| Hobbsee | Do not repackage it. You can ask the author(s) to delete the debian/ dir and provide a diff.gz instead. This makes it easier to review their work, and it separates packaging from program source. | 09:02 |
| Hobbsee | hah - no, we all make them | 09:02 |
| Hobbsee | it's taken me a few hours to get a simple pbuilder working, cos i didnt make the configuration file quite correct. | 09:03 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: yeah, copy ubuntu's debian dir over. and whinge at the people who make kflickr | 09:03 |
| nixternal | roger that | 09:04 |
| Hobbsee | man, kopete builds much quicker on imbrandon's machine! | 09:06 |
| nixternal | hehe | 09:06 |
| nixternal | use and abuse it | 09:06 |
| Hobbsee | hah | 09:06 |
| === Hobbsee has been. | ||
| === Hobbsee has been fighting with pbuilder on it. | ||
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| nixternal | i fight with everythign..so im used to that | 09:07 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 09:07 |
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| === Hobbsee went around removing all the config files for it, then watched it whinge. | ||
| === Hobbsee then hardcoded bits, until it whinged about what she wanted to whinge about. | ||
| nixternal | lol | 09:08 |
| === Hobbsee then put those files back, and it works :) | ||
| Hobbsee | it's clearly not a good idea to comment out the line about result | 09:08 |
| nixternal | good when it just happens to work like that | 09:08 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 09:09 |
| nixternal | debsign doesn't work for me | 09:09 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: do you have a key? | 09:10 |
| nixternal | yes ma'am | 09:10 |
| Hobbsee | hwo are you using the debsign? | 09:10 |
| nixternal | well..pbuilder -S | 09:10 |
| nixternal | and i get the debsign error | 09:10 |
| === Hobbsee wonders what -S does. | ||
| === nixternal too | ||
| nixternal | lol | 09:11 |
| Hobbsee | where are you getting pbuilder -S from? | 09:11 |
| nixternal | packaging guide | 09:11 |
| nixternal | im on another tangent there | 09:11 |
| === Hobbsee thought it had to be "dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot --autosign -kxxxxxxxx" to build the source of a package. or something | ||
| Hobbsee | you can just debsign it afterwards, it doesnt matter | 09:12 |
| nixternal | ahh..ok | 09:12 |
| nixternal | what is that dch -i bit | 09:12 |
| Hobbsee | dch -i = increment changelog | 09:12 |
| Hobbsee | do "dch", then exit, then "dch -i" - fairly easy to see | 09:13 |
| nixternal | ya..all i had to do was run it to see ;) | 09:13 |
| Hobbsee | and say "New upstream version" and update the version number appropriately | 09:13 |
| nixternal | done with all that..man that is whicked easy | 09:14 |
| nixternal | time to build | 09:14 |
| nixternal | should i build it the way you posted a few lines back? | 09:15 |
| nixternal | dpkg-buildpackage? | 09:15 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: use dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot -k98B2D4F0 <-- but with your key, instead of mine | 09:15 |
| nixternal | issue that in kflickr-0.6/ | 09:16 |
| nixternal | cd ../ from teh debian dir | 09:16 |
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| pygi | Riddell, poke ^_^ | 09:16 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: too early | 09:17 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: hmm...maybe not. most likely too early | 09:17 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, oki, thanks ^_^ Do you know if we have pykde4? | 09:17 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: in edgy? no, but p.u.c should | 09:17 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, please translate the "p" part to me ^_^ | 09:18 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: ah, sorry. packages.ubuntu.com | 09:18 |
| abattoir | pygi: good morning :) | 09:18 |
| Hobbsee | like p.d.o - packages.debian.org | 09:18 |
| Hobbsee | planet.ubuntu.com is usually referred to as planet | 09:18 |
| pygi | Hobbsee, well, I haven't found it there, but oh well ^_^ | 09:19 |
| pygi | morning abattoir, how are you? | 09:19 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 09:19 |
| nixternal | wo0t Hobbsee it completed | 09:19 |
| nixternal | next step please ;) | 09:19 |
| abattoir | !info pykdeextensions | 09:19 |
| ubotu | pykdeextensions: Python packages to support KDE applications (scripts). In repository main, is optional. Version 0.4.0-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 110 kB, installed size 792 kB | 09:19 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: got somewhere to upload? | 09:20 |
| pygi | abattoir, I saw that already !!! | 09:20 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: buntudot | 09:20 |
| abattoir | pygi: sleepy, bye, btw remember, ^^^ is not pykde4 ;) | 09:20 |
| pygi | abattoir, you havent slept? | 09:20 |
| pygi | beh | 09:20 |
| abattoir | no :( | 09:20 |
| pygi | night night | 09:20 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: nice, upload it, and i'll take alook | 09:20 |
| abattoir | its worse than my computer's uptime :( | 09:20 |
| nixternal | upload => .dsc, source.changes, ubuntu1.tar.gz, orig.tar.gz, and tar.gz? | 09:21 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: is there a .diff.gz? | 09:21 |
| nixternal | no | 09:21 |
| nixternal | hrrmm | 09:21 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: what's the name of the .orig.tar.gz? | 09:22 |
| nixternal | kflickr-0.6.orig.tar.gz | 09:22 |
| nixternal | that is the one i created prior | 09:22 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: change the - to a _ and run teh dpkg-buildpackage again. | 09:22 |
| nixternal | k | 09:23 |
| nixternal | should i rm anything prior? | 09:23 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: ah, shouldnt need to | 09:23 |
| nixternal | i should have freakin' known that too | 09:23 |
| nixternal | im an idiot there ;) | 09:23 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: not really. i got caught with that a fair few times | 09:23 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: you're not an idiot at all. | 09:23 |
| nixternal | i do it every time though ;) | 09:23 |
| nixternal | lol | 09:23 |
| nixternal | where is that big pointy stick? | 09:24 |
| === Hobbsee hands nixternal the big pointy stick | ||
| nixternal | booyah | 09:25 |
| nixternal | there is the diff ;) | 09:25 |
| Hobbsee | yay :) | 09:25 |
| Hobbsee | okay, upload the .orig.tar.gz, the .diff.gz, and the .dsc | 09:25 |
| nixternal | so now..copy up the .diff, .dsc, and the .orig.tar.gz | 09:25 |
| Hobbsee | and give me the link to them | 09:25 |
| Hobbsee | upe | 09:25 |
| nixternal | yay | 09:25 |
| Hobbsee | *yep | 09:25 |
| nixternal | roger that | 09:25 |
| === Hobbsee will check it out | ||
| nixternal | http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/packages/kflickr-0.6/ | 09:28 |
| nixternal | there you go | 09:28 |
| nixternal | thanks Hobbsee for the help | 09:28 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: :) | 09:28 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: were the ubuntu changes anything important? | 09:29 |
| nixternal | ubuntu changes were all 0.5 history..the 0.6 just came out and there were a few changes yes | 09:31 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: you only modified stuff in the debian/ dir? | 09:32 |
| nixternal | yes | 09:32 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: nixternal@CaboWabo isnt a proper email address | 09:32 |
| nixternal | i am sure i did something wrong..as that seemed to easy | 09:32 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 09:32 |
| nixternal | i dont' know why it did that | 09:33 |
| nixternal | dch -i might have taken my localhost info?? | 09:33 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: run dch, and add it again | 09:33 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, it does | 09:33 |
| Hobbsee | unless you set what email to use | 09:33 |
| nixternal | ahh..ok | 09:33 |
| nixternal | is that even remotely correct though Hobbsee beside the email issue? | 09:35 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: i'm still looking thru it, and i've yet to build it, but it looks good | 09:35 |
| nixternal | should i rebuild it after changing the email and post it up? | 09:36 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: yeah, just the dpkg-buildpackage command again | 09:36 |
| Hobbsee | you dont need to reupload the .orig.tar.gz, just the other | 09:36 |
| === Hobbsee wonders what version of kflickr is in sid. | ||
| nixternal | probably was .5 until this week | 09:37 |
| nixternal | unless they were grabbing cvs | 09:37 |
| Hobbsee | ah, it was in debian, nice | 09:38 |
| Hobbsee | er, wasnt | 09:38 |
| nixternal | k Hobbsee done | 09:39 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: cool :) | 09:39 |
| nixternal | that way is to easy | 09:39 |
| === Hobbsee builds the other copy | ||
| Hobbsee | nixternal: hehe :) | 09:39 |
| nixternal | it seems like i did something wrong ;) | 09:39 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: doesnt look like it to me | 09:39 |
| nixternal | your way needs to be int he packaging guide as long as i did it correct | 09:39 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, i should make you write it :P | 09:39 |
| nixternal | gahah | 09:40 |
| Hobbsee | explain what each step does, etc | 09:40 |
| nixternal | i could make a quick .diff for laserjock | 09:40 |
| Hobbsee | and of course, if it breaks, then you have to fix it, but... | 09:40 |
| Hobbsee | usually just fixing the control file or whatever | 09:40 |
| nixternal | ya | 09:40 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 09:40 |
| nixternal | im interested in seeing if that worked | 09:40 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: did you test build and install it? | 09:41 |
| nixternal | nope, cuz it is edgy | 09:41 |
| nixternal | should i have run lintian on it? | 09:41 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: yeah, always useful. | 09:42 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: tells you if you've screwed anything major up | 09:42 |
| === Hobbsee should have run lintian on this, actually. | ||
| === Hobbsee did it the hard way, and debdiff'd it | ||
| nixternal | 2 W's and 1 E | 09:43 |
| nixternal | the rest N | 09:43 |
| Hobbsee | what are they? | 09:43 |
| nixternal | E = kflickr source: debian-files-list-in-source | 09:43 |
| Hobbsee | yeah i wondered what that was.... | 09:43 |
| nixternal | W = kflickr source: changelog-should-mention-nmu | 09:44 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, ignore that. that's debian specific | 09:44 |
| nixternal | W = kflickr source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 0.6-0ubuntu1 | 09:44 |
| Hobbsee | shoulda given you a headache about unknown distribution edgy, too | 09:44 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: yeah, again, debian specific | 09:44 |
| nixternal | nope | 09:44 |
| nixternal | nothign about edgy at all | 09:44 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: what release does it say in the changelog? | 09:45 |
| nixternal | 0.6-0ubuntu1 | 09:45 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: and what distrobution? | 09:46 |
| nixternal | edgy | 09:46 |
| === Hobbsee copies the deb from imbrandon's building machine to his webserver, all from here :) | ||
| Hobbsee | hmmm, interesting | 09:47 |
| nixternal | is that a good or bad interesting? | 09:48 |
| Hobbsee | it's slow | 09:48 |
| Hobbsee | but it's still very cool :) | 09:48 |
| nixternal | if that works, then i want a dapper upgrade to be made ;) | 09:49 |
| nixternal | cuz i use kflickr all the time | 09:49 |
| nixternal | thanks to Riddell | 09:49 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: then you have to request a backport | 09:49 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: but you'll still need an uploader for it | 09:49 |
| nixternal | yup | 09:49 |
| nixternal | it isn't possible to build that on a dapper setup is it? | 09:51 |
| Hobbsee | ah, it should be. it'll need to be for a backport | 09:51 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: run it thru a dapper pbuilder, then try to install it, to see. | 09:51 |
| nixternal | i only have an edgy pbuilder | 09:51 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: it's not that painful to make 2, unless you scrwe up the config files like i did earlier | 09:52 |
| nixternal | lol | 09:52 |
| nixternal | i could always place the dapper pbuilder on this system | 09:53 |
| nixternal | build from 2 different locals | 09:53 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: in the documentation, there's a section on multiple pbuilders. they're not that evil. | 09:53 |
| nixternal | although both on 1 would be ideal...how would you go about switching between the builds though? | 09:53 |
| nixternal | i seen the -base.tgz stuff | 09:53 |
| Hobbsee | have a couple of scripts. | 09:53 |
| nixternal | i think i have them on this machine as a matter of fact | 09:54 |
| nixternal | the pbuilderrc | 09:54 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: do edgy stuff first, then look at dapper's :P | 09:54 |
| nixternal | i have an edgy and dapper one that you gave me a while back | 09:54 |
| Hobbsee | dont get too complicated | 09:54 |
| Hobbsee | what, pbuilder-edgy, or edgybuild? | 09:54 |
| nixternal | pbuilder-edgy | 09:54 |
| Hobbsee | ah right | 09:55 |
| Hobbsee | you probably dont want my script of that | 09:55 |
| Hobbsee | you probably want the one on !pbuilder | 09:55 |
| nixternal | !pbuilder | 09:55 |
| nixternal | that one | 09:55 |
| ubotu | pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto | 09:55 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: think i should build the kde 3.5.3 debs with kscreensaver fix? | 10:02 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: and http://www.buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/ for kopete debs | 10:02 |
| nixternal | go for it | 10:03 |
| nixternal | something tells me the kde 3.5.3 will take a bit | 10:03 |
| nixternal | kopetes are up to date? | 10:03 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, that's what i built on imbrandon's machine, after fixing the pbuilders | 10:03 |
| nixternal | cool | 10:04 |
| nixternal | hey, i should set my 'default_host_main = revu' for my dput.cf file correct? | 10:05 |
| nixternal | since im not a dev | 10:05 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: yeah | 10:05 |
| nixternal | k | 10:05 |
| === Hobbsee always uses dput revu *.changes anyway | ||
| nixternal | k | 10:05 |
| === Hobbsee is getting into a bad habit of doing sudo -s. | ||
| nixternal | am i ready for a revu upload? | 10:07 |
| Hobbsee | !search libham edgy | 10:07 |
| ubotu | Found nothing | 10:07 |
| Hobbsee | stupid libham | 10:07 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: yep | 10:07 |
| nixternal | haha | 10:07 |
| nixternal | ty Hobbsee | 10:08 |
| nixternal | here we go | 10:08 |
| Hobbsee | !search ham edgy | 10:08 |
| ubotu | Found nothing | 10:08 |
| === nixternal crosses fingers | ||
| Hobbsee | did you sign it first? | 10:08 |
| Hobbsee | debsign -kyourkeyidhere *.changes | 10:08 |
| nixternal | i will now | 10:08 |
| nixternal | ;) | 10:08 |
| Hobbsee | revu rejects unsigned uploads, iirc | 10:08 |
| nixternal | i added the 'allow_unsigned_uploads = 0' to the config..so it would have told me if i didn't | 10:09 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: nice | 10:09 |
| === Hobbsee hasnt modified dput in a while. | ||
| nixternal | it was already signed | 10:10 |
| Hobbsee | but my revubuild auto debsigns, so i dont usually manually remember to, unless i'm merging | 10:10 |
| Hobbsee | nice | 10:10 |
| Hobbsee | okay | 10:10 |
| Hobbsee | dput revu *.changes then | 10:10 |
| nixternal | fromt he dpkg-buildpackage | 10:10 |
| Hobbsee | yep, cool | 10:10 |
| nixternal | Successfully uploaded packages | 10:11 |
| nixternal | Not running dinstall. | 10:11 |
| nixternal | guess that means i did my first one | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | yep :) | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | revu updates every 5 mins, starting on the hour,i think | 10:12 |
| nixternal | you own Hobbsee, i appreciate the patience | 10:12 |
| nixternal | imbrandon always throws things at me ;) | 10:12 |
| nixternal | haha | 10:12 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: :) | 10:13 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 10:13 |
| === Hobbsee usually doesnt know where they are in her head. or just hasnt read the doco in a while. | ||
| nixternal | hehe | 10:14 |
| nixternal | so, on the kubuntu membership stuff, what do you suggest i do? i have yet to hear anything back on ubuntu membership, but i am fairly confident mako isn't going to deny it | 10:14 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: well, if mako approves you, then, you're fine | 10:16 |
| Hobbsee | otherwise, we can do it | 10:16 |
| Hobbsee | i think | 10:16 |
| Hobbsee | i expect | 10:16 |
| nixternal | hehe | 10:16 |
| Hobbsee | just chop down your intro - the old rules were "give us your three liner" - which was three paragraphs, pretty much. not the entire wiki page! | 10:17 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 10:17 |
| nixternal | 2 days until kubuntu, something tells me i won't hear anything by then | 10:17 |
| === Hobbsee makes a mental note to update her wiki page before wednesday | ||
| === nixternal will point to the meeting log from the CC | ||
| nixternal | although, i still have my introduction saved ;) | 10:17 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: you post that long an intro again, and i'll -1 you :P | 10:19 |
| nixternal | rofl | 10:19 |
| nixternal | mine wasn't long at all | 10:19 |
| nixternal | joey stanford's was long | 10:19 |
| nixternal | him and the other guys keep messaging me, have you heard anything yet? | 10:19 |
| Hobbsee | not at all | 10:19 |
| nixternal | lol...so i emailed mako on behalf of us all yesterday | 10:19 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 10:19 |
| Hobbsee | did you get a response? | 10:19 |
| nixternal | mako is way to busy to get a 1 day response | 10:20 |
| nixternal | im guessing a good week plus | 10:20 |
| nixternal | the big thing i want is the Chicago Team to be official | 10:20 |
| nixternal | i will be happy with that | 10:21 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 10:22 |
| Hobbsee | true - emailing devs is often risky | 10:22 |
| nixternal | and usually impossible | 10:22 |
| Hobbsee | no, not impossible. just that they dont read all mail | 10:23 |
| === Hobbsee deletes a lot of mailing list stuff | ||
| === Hobbsee is subscribed to a lot of bug packages too | ||
| nixternal | im not going through the mailing list...cuz i do the same..unless it is related to my teams | 10:23 |
| Hobbsee | it's useful for people who dont seem to like writing bugs on malone | 10:23 |
| nixternal | i need to work on more bug triage too | 10:24 |
| nixternal | i have been slacking in the bug department | 10:24 |
| Hobbsee | oh yay! a sync! | 10:24 |
| nixternal | they took pretty much all the privs away so not everyone can wishlist a bug and what not | 10:24 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: i wouldnt bother much with bugs, not while we're still merging everything | 10:24 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: true | 10:24 |
| nixternal | now all i can do is respond like yup..looks good ;) | 10:24 |
| Hobbsee | you can still move | 10:24 |
| Hobbsee | and a lot of them are filed wrongly | 10:25 |
| Hobbsee | oh, and mark as dupes, and test and confirm | 10:25 |
| === Hobbsee does very little changing importance | ||
| === Hobbsee has a brainwave | ||
| nixternal | hehe | 10:27 |
| Hobbsee | [18:27] <Hobbsee> hi all. i know we've changed the level of people who can set the status for a bug, but can we have a checkbox of "this is a wishlist", just like for security, and that changes the importance of the bug? | 10:27 |
| nixternal | good deal | 10:27 |
| nixternal | if not, have them add us the ubuntu-qa team ;) | 10:27 |
| seaLne | yeah thats about the only importance change i ever made | 10:27 |
| === Hobbsee is in the ubuntu-qa team | ||
| === Hobbsee poked dholbach and got approved immediately :) | ||
| === Hobbsee ssh's into imbrandon's machine again | ||
| seaLne | yeah but not many people will get into ubuntu-qa | 10:28 |
| Hobbsee | true | 10:29 |
| nixternal | very true | 10:29 |
| nixternal | until you get known | 10:29 |
| seaLne | even then i think it is intended to be very small | 10:29 |
| Hobbsee | also true | 10:30 |
| Hobbsee | like i say - i end up setting that flag very very rarely | 10:30 |
| nixternal | which is a problem if you ask me..then you get people complaining people are moving to slow and what not | 10:30 |
| Hobbsee | but i just requested that we get a "this is a wishlist" box on #launchpad, which would make sense. | 10:30 |
| nixternal | it would make a lot of sense | 10:30 |
| Hobbsee | so hopefully it'll happen | 10:32 |
| seaLne | bug submitters used to set it aswell | 10:34 |
| Hobbsee | seaLne: yeah, but they always used to mess with the priorities of it. | 10:35 |
| Hobbsee | seaLne: which was a darned nuisance | 10:35 |
| === Hobbsee plays with the status and whatever for stuff she's about to fix - and usually assigns it to herself as well, so no one touches it | ||
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| nixternal | although truthfully...i think the only thing you should be able to do is create a bug unless you are on the bug team or the ubuntu-qa, as to many people still change the priority or move it upstream, or they subscribe the bug to themselves and get mad when no one fixes it | 10:36 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 10:37 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, true | 10:37 |
| nixternal | if that revu goes good, tomorrow i am going to do a 'dapper' version of that | 10:38 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: you know the policy on backporting? | 10:39 |
| nixternal | not a 100% no | 10:39 |
| Hobbsee | !backports | 10:39 |
| ubotu | If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports | 10:39 |
| nixternal | i know i have requested them in the past for breezy | 10:39 |
| nixternal | ok..bed time | 10:46 |
| nixternal | g'nite all...thanks again Hobbsee | 10:46 |
| Hobbsee | night nixternal | 10:47 |
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| Hobbsee | seaLne: your'e right, 9 people, + all motus and core devs. not that many | 11:13 |
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| Riddell | pygi_: hi | 11:29 |
| pygi_ | hi Riddell | 11:29 |
| pygi_ | just wanted to ask if we have pykde4 ^_^ | 11:29 |
| pygi_ | but I already got an answe | 11:29 |
| pygi_ | answer* | 11:30 |
| Riddell | pygi_: pykde4 would require kde 4 | 11:30 |
| Riddell | but do go with pyqt 4 | 11:30 |
| Hobbsee | hey Riddell! | 11:30 |
| Riddell | morning Hobbsee | 11:30 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: nixternal did a package today, did you want to review and upload it? | 11:31 |
| Riddell | ok | 11:31 |
| Riddell | URL? | 11:31 |
| === Hobbsee looks | ||
| Hobbsee | Riddell: dont know what happened to them w.r.t launchpad, but http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/packages/kflickr-0.6/ is where they are | 11:33 |
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| Hobbsee | *do | 11:38 |
| Hobbsee | hi allee | 11:38 |
| Riddell | "RichJohnson <nixternal@gmail.com>" do I detect someone overusing wikification? | 11:38 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: i think he may have gone to bed.. | 11:39 |
| Hobbsee | also, shouldnt that be a real name there? | 11:40 |
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| Riddell | that's what I was pointing to | 11:40 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 11:40 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: tell me what i should do tonight :P | 11:40 |
| === Hobbsee is bored. | ||
| omeow | Fix ark ;) | 11:42 |
| Hobbsee | omeow: ho hum. how dull. | 11:43 |
| === Hobbsee is vaguely tempted to fix that screensaver bug on kde 3.5.3 packages, if she thought Riddell would upload it. | ||
| Riddell | if you make it on my machines in fresh chroots on all three architectures I'd probably upload it if I ever get access to kubuntu.org again | 11:44 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: you've lost access? | 11:46 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i got ssh access and set up pbuilder on imbrandon's machine this afternoon :D | 11:46 |
| === Hobbsee likes. | ||
| Hobbsee | does that count? | 11:46 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: does he have all three architectures? | 11:51 |
| Riddell | nixternal: kflickr uploaded, thanks | 11:52 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, i have all three but i dident give her access to them | 11:52 |
| imbrandon | actualy my ppc is dead atm | 11:52 |
| imbrandon | nvm | 11:52 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: yeah, but i've only got access to one | 11:53 |
| imbrandon | ( not dead just no os on it ) | 11:53 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 11:53 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee / Riddell if you want ( and riddell has time to setup me accounts ) i'll upload what you changed and build it on his machines, since its slow for you | 11:54 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, that'd work | 11:54 |
| === Hobbsee will probably end up buildign the i386 versions to test, anyway. | ||
| imbrandon | ;) | 11:55 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: can do | 11:58 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, your bulding in my machine right ? just tell me the dir its in when you have it done | 12:00 |
| imbrandon | brb gonna get some milk | 12:00 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: not right this second, but yeah. the final debs will be in /var/cache/pbuilder/dapper/result, until i move them somewhere, and the debdiff will likely be in ~ | 12:01 |
| === Hobbsee notes that Riddell is subscribed to her wiki page. weird. | ||
| imbrandon | Riddell, subscribes to all of them i think ;) | 12:04 |
| Riddell | I do yes | 12:04 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 12:04 |
| imbrandon | umm and i mean the *.dsc / *.diff.gz / and orig.tar.gz but i'm sure its in your ~/deve right ? ( when ready obviously not right this minute ) | 12:05 |
| imbrandon | s/deve/devel | 12:05 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: yeah. finals of them are also in result, too, you know | 12:06 |
| === Hobbsee tends to revubuild.sh them. | ||
| imbrandon | ;) | 12:07 |
| imbrandon | oh thats right you put me some new script / commnda on there | 12:07 |
| === imbrandon macke mental note to try them later | ||
| imbrandon | s/macke/makes | 12:08 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: yeah, all in /usr/local/bin - go ahead and use them | 12:08 |
| Hobbsee | people gave them to me when i started packaging mostly anyway :) | 12:08 |
| imbrandon | heh | 12:08 |
| === imbrandon kils pid 6666 ( jk, but it is funny irssi is running on 6666 ) | ||
| Hobbsee | Riddell: it's http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-353/pool-dapper/kdebase/kdebase_3.5.3-0ubuntu0.2.dsc etc that i want, isnt it? | 12:11 |
| Riddell | yes | 12:13 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: cool :) | 12:13 |
| === imbrandon gets to do some l33t php on a.u.c ;) | ||
| Riddell | a.u.c? | 12:16 |
| imbrandon | art.u.c | 12:16 |
| Riddell | you run that? | 12:16 |
| imbrandon | now | 12:17 |
| imbrandon | JUST now ;) | 12:17 |
| Riddell | doesn't it use thos's stuff? | 12:17 |
| imbrandon | mark and mathew nzum ( sp? ) just handed it off to me | 12:17 |
| imbrandon | dunno havent looked at it yet | 12:18 |
| imbrandon | its blank atm | 12:18 |
| imbrandon | somone took the old down | 12:18 |
| imbrandon | but i'm gonna lookup the archive | 12:18 |
| Riddell | I'm pretty sure it did use thos' setup from art.gnome.org | 12:20 |
| Riddell | which always seems to me to require too much manual work compared to kde-look.org | 12:20 |
| toma | moguh | 12:20 |
| Riddell | morning toma | 12:21 |
| imbrandon | ahh yea probably, thus why i'm re hacking it to make it more automated | 12:21 |
| imbrandon | and add LP auth etc | 12:21 |
| imbrandon | auto thumnails etc | 12:21 |
| Hobbsee | hi toma | 12:21 |
| imbrandon | heya toma | 12:21 |
| Hobbsee | dinner time - and dr who! | 12:22 |
| imbrandon | mark mentioned something about the gnome-look.org codebase ( all the *-look.org codebases arent the same ? ) | 12:22 |
| imbrandon | speaking of i watched chrismas invasion , it was rockin Riddell thanks ;) | 12:22 |
| Riddell | it definately doesn't use the *-look.org codebase | 12:23 |
| imbrandon | err art.gome.org ( mis read ) yea mark was talkin g about *-look.org but more simple and (k)ubuntu"ized" | 12:24 |
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| toma | kmail already crashed twice on me, just reading mail. gosh | 12:27 |
| imbrandon | ;( | 12:27 |
| imbrandon | anyone on i386 with kernel 2.6.15-26-686 on dapper wanna test the installability of a package from universe before i file a bug | 12:28 |
| imbrandon | s/universe/multiverse | 12:29 |
| toma | Riddell: i'll not try to bring kde-rosetta closer together. I don't see more then one or two translators which would be interested. | 12:30 |
| toma | Riddell: i'm a bit dissapointed in them | 12:31 |
| Riddell | yeah, fair enough | 12:31 |
| Riddell | thanks for trying so far | 12:31 |
| toma | ok | 12:31 |
| === imbrandon needs to learn spanish better then i would translate more ;) | ||
| mornfall | toma: disappointed in whom? | 12:32 |
| toma | mornfall: a couple of kde translators | 12:33 |
| imbrandon | moins mornfall | 12:33 |
| mornfall | toma: they don't like rosetta? | 12:33 |
| mornfall | hi imbrandon | 12:33 |
| toma | mornfall: no, not at all. Look at the list archives of kde-i18n-doc for detaills, but they are almost agressive against it. | 12:34 |
| toma | mornfall: very protective of their own shop in any case. | 12:34 |
| mornfall | i am not surprized :) | 12:34 |
| mornfall | i know at least one person who uses kde specifically because of kbabel | 12:34 |
| toma | mornfall: well, i'm not surprised about that fact, i am surprised that they do not want to try to fix rosetta's issues and be happy | 12:35 |
| mornfall | isn't rosetta like closed-source? how they can fix rosett's issues? | 12:36 |
| mornfall | +a | 12:37 |
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| Riddell | by making suggestions to the rosetta kdevelopers | 12:38 |
| Riddell | s/k// | 12:38 |
| toma | mornfall: and it is also about the content... the way of filling it and getting it | 12:38 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: you could start testing stuff for backports if you're looking for something to do | 12:42 |
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| omeow | testing? | 12:43 |
| omeow | How is that done? Can I just install new packages? Or do I have to compile them from source? | 12:44 |
| Riddell | compile them from edgy source on dapper and see if they work | 12:44 |
| omeow | Hm, is there a potential to get a screwed up system? And is there a list of stuff that needs to be tested? | 12:44 |
| mornfall | makes me wonder where ubuntu is getting this everybody needs to love us attitude | 12:45 |
| Riddell | mornfall: I'd rather people didn't hate us | 12:49 |
| Riddell | omeow: none if you do it in a pbuilder | 12:49 |
| omeow | Riddell, I'll have to look up what exactly pbuilder is. Currently doing some tests in Opera's new weekly build. | 12:50 |
| imbrandon | omeow, a chroot that cleans itself each run | 12:50 |
| imbrandon | !pbuilder | 12:51 |
| ubotu | pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto | 12:51 |
| mornfall | Riddell: all the "you should like us more" whining doesn't help with that :p -- like aaron says, people are emotional beings... and as i say, there is no reason in emotion | 12:51 |
| mornfall | Riddell: so there is no point reasoning with someone that they should like ubuntu more, it only makes them unhappy | 12:51 |
| omeow | Thanks imbrandon. :) | 12:51 |
| toma | mornfall: that is a pretty negative look at the world | 12:53 |
| mornfall | toma: not really -- just trying to convince people to change their emotions by reasoning is IMO pointless | 12:54 |
| mornfall | just don't give them reasons to hate you and they probably won't | 12:55 |
| toma | mornfall: i dont agree. by explaining something and trying to let people understand the other ones position, could lead to more insight and understanding.. | 12:56 |
| omeow | ok, pbuilder installed, where's the list of stuff to be tested? | 12:56 |
| mornfall | toma: sure, but that doesn't include "you hate us and you shouldn't" type of whining | 12:56 |
| toma | right | 12:57 |
| Riddell | omeow: kaffeine, kopete, dbus | 12:59 |
| omeow | And I should just build those from source? | 01:00 |
| Riddell | yes | 01:01 |
| omeow | Ok, i'll give kaffeine a try. | 01:01 |
| Riddell | from edgy source, on dapper | 01:01 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, is the a chance python-* will be backported ? | 01:01 |
| mornfall | ha, i rule | 01:02 |
| mornfall | (patch to vncviewer works) | 01:02 |
| mornfall | no matter | 01:02 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: whatever for? | 01:02 |
| imbrandon | nice mornfall | 01:02 |
| toma | mornfall: issue 47181 was reaised btw | 01:02 |
| toma | mornfall: bug 47181 was reaised btw | 01:02 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 47181 in ept "broken localisation support" [Medium,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/47181 | 01:02 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, mostly the pykde4 stuff is what i'm interested in | 01:02 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: pykde4 doesn't exist yet, what with kde 4 not existing and aa | 01:03 |
| mornfall | toma: the general attitude is one of the reasons that pushed me away from (k)ubuntu again, sort of | 01:03 |
| mornfall | toma: see, adept localisation is currently half-pointless anyway, considering how package descriptions are all in english anyway | 01:04 |
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| toma | mornfall: most of my mails are in english, but i still like a dutch kmail | 01:05 |
| mornfall | toma: you are not the primary target group of localisation | 01:05 |
| imbrandon | mornfall, thats not to say the package desc wont be localize SOMEDAY though | 01:06 |
| mornfall | imbrandon: and that's not to say that adept won't be able to be properly localised, hmm? | 01:06 |
| mornfall | i am just saying that *right now* it doesn't work and i won't go and fix it for old versions | 01:07 |
| mornfall | it's actually trivial to | 01:07 |
| mornfall | and anyone could fix it | 01:07 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 01:07 |
| mornfall | but, well, they would have to think :) | 01:07 |
| mornfall | i don't need nor use localisation, so maybe someone who wants it could fix the (slight) problem | 01:08 |
| mornfall | i already went to the length of making sure all user-visible strings are i18n-wrapped | 01:09 |
| omeow | Riddell, /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/ does not exist, yet I'm expected to rename all instances of dapper from that directory to edgy. I did find one occurence of dapper in /etc/pbuilderrc and changed that. | 01:10 |
| toma | mornfall: i really find it insulting when people over and over tell me that i'm not a target group. It is a lame argument. | 01:10 |
| imbrandon | omeow, we want to know if they work in dapper not edgy ;) | 01:11 |
| omeow | Oh darn, I thought I had to get the edgy source that way. | 01:11 |
| Riddell | omeow: you want a dapper chroot | 01:11 |
| Riddell | pbuilder | 01:12 |
| mornfall | toma: you are not, that's it... noone stops you from fixing issues that affect you though | 01:12 |
| mornfall | toma: it's not a lame argument either | 01:12 |
| toma | yes it is. | 01:12 |
| Riddell | omeow: get the edgy source with wget from archive.ubuntu.com | 01:12 |
| mornfall | toma: so you are suggesting that you know better which problems are more important than the person fixing them? | 01:13 |
| toma | mornfall: not at all. I'm saying that people telling me that i'm not the target group are wrong. | 01:14 |
| mornfall | toma: they aren't, they can't be wrong by definition, if they are the authors of the program in question | 01:14 |
| mornfall | toma: how can you know better what is my target group than i? | 01:15 |
| toma | ok, so i'm in my third fight for this day. I'll give up and watch some tele for the rest of the day ;-) | 01:15 |
| mornfall | yeah, maybe it's a reason to think about your stance | 01:15 |
| toma | yep | 01:15 |
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| Hobbsee | Unpacking bdftopcf (from .../bdftopcf_1.0.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ... | 01:20 |
| Hobbsee | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/bdftopcf_1.0.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack): | 01:20 |
| Hobbsee | trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/bdftopcf', which is also in package xfonts-util | 01:20 |
| Hobbsee | darn. | 01:20 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: what's that? | 01:23 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: the error when trying to build... | 01:23 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: oh shoot, i'm an idiot. | 01:23 |
| Hobbsee | its' still valid, but it wasnt what i was intending to do anyway. | 01:24 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: where's that dunce cap? that's twice i've built for edgy what should be for dapper in two days. | 01:24 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i've got kopete debs, and source. source is on revu, dapper deb is on buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee | 01:28 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, i'm gonna be out till 3pm local time , do what ever you need to the system just not my /home/brandon ;) if ya need something leave me a message on jabber ( if i get internet where i'm going i'll have jabber on ) | 01:30 |
| imbrandon | see yall in a few hours | 01:30 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: yeah, okay, cool. i'm just building - on the correct architecture this time. sheesh. | 01:30 |
| imbrandon | lol | 01:31 |
| omeow | Ok Riddell. I'm building the latest kaffeine now. | 01:31 |
| omeow | Should I save any compiler errors I'm getting? | 01:31 |
| Hobbsee | omeow: yeah, and pastebin them | 01:32 |
| omeow | Hm, pbuilder doesn't save the log to a file? | 01:33 |
| Hobbsee | ah, i dont think so | 01:33 |
| omeow | Ok, so pbuilder just finished, where do the .deb files end up? | 01:34 |
| Riddell | /var/cache/pbuilder/result | 01:34 |
| omeow | If I ls -l the directory that I downloaded the files to, just the files I downloaded are there. | 01:34 |
| Hobbsee | yay! it patched correctly :D | 01:34 |
| === Hobbsee will be back in a bit | ||
| Hobbsee | kdebase is doing ./configure | 01:35 |
| omeow | (sorry for asking so many questions, I'm obviously new to this.) | 01:35 |
| Hobbsee | omeow: not a problem, i'll help you more when i get back, if you like | 01:35 |
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| omeow | Ok, seems to build and work so far. | 01:41 |
| Riddell | omeow: kaffeine? | 01:46 |
| Riddell | jdong: what's the status of backports? | 01:47 |
| omeow | Riddell, yeah, it just finished building. | 01:50 |
| Riddell | omeow: did you install and run it? | 01:50 |
| omeow | Yes, I think i'll re-build it though. I didn't get a logfile by default. | 01:50 |
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| === pygi_ wonders why Kmail isn't in menus | ||
| === Hobbsee is baaaaaaaaaack! | ||
| Hobbsee | pygi_: because it's part of kontact? | 01:51 |
| Hobbsee | whee...still compiling | 01:52 |
| Riddell | omeow: logfile should be in /var/cache/pbuilder/result as *build | 01:53 |
| abattoir | pygi_: welcome to KDE land! We hope you enjoy your stay! | 01:53 |
| abattoir | :P | 01:53 |
| Hobbsee | hey abattoir | 01:53 |
| pygi_ | abattoir: lol :) | 01:53 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: oh yeah, that's right. i forgot about that :P | 01:53 |
| abattoir | hello Hobbsee :) | 01:53 |
| pygi_ | abattoir: wish me luck with dist-upgrade, I'll need it :) | 01:54 |
| === Hobbsee tries to make sure that the cable doesnt fall out the back of her laptop | ||
| omeow | Riddell, yes, I'll use --pkgname-logfile this time. | 01:54 |
| Hobbsee | pygi_: good luck! tell me how it goes please :) | 01:54 |
| abattoir | pygi_: so many people here have done it. | 01:54 |
| === Hobbsee wants to upgrade this machine at some time. | ||
| abattoir | (or havent they?) ;) | 01:54 |
| Hobbsee | i should have chucked this build in a screen or however that works...so i wouldnt have to leave my computer on all night | 01:55 |
| Hobbsee | abattoir: well, i havent, but i've been busy merging, etc, so have just been using edgy in my pbuilder extensively | 01:55 |
| pygi_ | abattoir: joys of bad Konquerer :) | 01:56 |
| abattoir | pygi_: Konq rocks, you are just used to firefox :P | 01:56 |
| pygi_ | abattoir: no, I cant open gmail | 01:57 |
| abattoir | Hobbsee: oh ok :) | 01:57 |
| Hobbsee | ick. you take away my firefox, and i will stab you with my long pointy stick. | 01:57 |
| abattoir | pygi_: change browser ID | 01:57 |
| Hobbsee | konqi is good for some things though :) | 01:57 |
| abattoir | pygi_: Tools->Change Browser...->Firefox/Mozilla | 01:58 |
| abattoir | someone told me dapper shipped w/ default change in ID for google pages... | 01:58 |
| abattoir | i guess that's not true then. | 01:58 |
| pygi_ | lemme just make Kmail work with gmail | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | pygi_: it does actually work - download teh pop3 :P | 01:59 |
| mornfall | pop3 sort of defeats the purpose of gmail | 02:01 |
| mornfall | and they don't give imap because that would make it actually useful without the lame web ui :) | 02:01 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: well....depends what the purpose of gmail is, doesnt it? | 02:02 |
| === Hobbsee downloads all her gmail - it's what the ubuntu/kubuntu addresses link to | ||
| mornfall | what's the point of webmail when you delete all mail from it anyway? :) | 02:02 |
| mornfall | or of gigabyte quota | 02:02 |
| pygi_ | Hobbsee: just using pop | 02:02 |
| pygi_ | mornfall: you mean 3GB quota? :) | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | pygi_: yeah | 02:03 |
| mornfall | pygi_: whatever-quota-is-in-effect-today | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: well, that is true, and that's why i also have another imap email account - but it does have a bandwidth limit on it, and it is slower. | 02:03 |
| pygi_ | I won't delete mail | 02:04 |
| mornfall | ahw, 976M mail | 02:04 |
| mornfall | pop3 is hilariously inefficient for large mailboxes | 02:04 |
| pygi | nice, I forgot to backup my irc pass :P | 02:04 |
| omeow | Riddell, Hobbsee if you're interested, here's the log for my kaffeine 0.8.1-3ubuntul build; http://pastebin.ca/88864 | 02:05 |
| mornfall | i'm wondering if gmail is increasing quota faster than my mailbox grows :-)) | 02:05 |
| omeow | I think i've done it properly. | 02:05 |
| mornfall | (let's note that i *do* delete spam) | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | omeow: cool, that worked :) | 02:06 |
| pygi | this download will take a while =P | 02:08 |
| Riddell | omeow: cool | 02:10 |
| Riddell | omeow: please report a bug on https://launchpad.net/products/dapper-backports/ asking for a backport of kaffine with the exact version number | 02:12 |
| Riddell | omeow: I'll confirm and subscribe it to ubuntu-archive | 02:12 |
| pygi | Riddell: do we have any serious stability bugs in edgy? | 02:14 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: Riddell likely doesnt know, does he? | 02:15 |
| === Hobbsee isnt sure if Riddell sees bug reports | ||
| Hobbsee | oh hang on, we talk about it here too | 02:15 |
| Riddell | I do see bug reports | 02:16 |
| Riddell | I'm not on edgy myself though | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: heh, we need you to fix it, not be on it when it breaks :P | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | or is that my job now? | 02:19 |
| Hobbsee | no, no, my job is to break it, i'm sure. | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | that's the most fun job. | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: when are we doing those libgamin fixes, and where's kvpnc and anythign else that was listed on edgypackageupdates, but isnt anymore? were they removed for a reason? | 02:20 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: gamin fixes after Knot 1 | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: which is when? | 02:21 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: what's the status of kvpnc? | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: well, it fell off the merge list, but apparently there's a newer version somewhere. toma_ mentioned it a while ago | 02:22 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: last thursday (or as soon as we can after that) | 02:22 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: hehe...yeah, that's what i thought. | 02:22 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: any current ETA on it though? | 02:22 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: none that I know of | 02:22 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: right, i hadnt heard of any either. | 02:22 |
| === Hobbsee thinks that might be a relatively safe time to upgrade. | ||
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| Hobbsee | anyone know what time i have to be at work tomorrow? | 02:25 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm...12...much more reasonable. | 02:27 |
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| pygi | o joy, kmail doesnt download all my mail | 02:41 |
| abattoir | pygi: that's good in a way, do you want to download the 100s of MBs of mail? ;) | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: sheesh! binaries of kdebase are 61mb total, it looks like! | 02:43 |
| Riddell | -dbg will be a fair chunk of that | 02:44 |
| pygi | abattoir: I have 1000MB, and yes, I want to download all | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: where should i copy it to? i havent tested if it's installable yet | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: copy it to buntudot, and you can grab it off there? or you want me to scp it to your hard drive? | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: also, source or binaries? | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | guess it'll need to be hosted somewhere till you get ftp back for kubuntu.org. | 02:45 |
| mornfall | pygi: pop3 -- need i say more? :] | 02:45 |
| pygi | mornfall: ofcourse not :) | 02:45 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: this is a rebuild of kdebase with the screensaver patch? | 02:45 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: yep | 02:46 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: copy it to my hard disk somewhere | 02:46 |
| pygi | mornfall: make a new format =P | 02:46 |
| mornfall | pygi: no need, it's called imap ;) | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: any preferences where? | 02:46 |
| mornfall | and it's a protocol not format | 02:46 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: in /home/hobbsee | 02:46 |
| pygi | mornfall: ofcourse, wrong typing, sorry about that :P | 02:46 |
| pygi | well, gmail doesnt have imap :) | 02:46 |
| mornfall | that's right | 02:46 |
| mornfall | that's also a good reason not to use it :) | 02:47 |
| pygi | heh, get me a better mail :) | 02:47 |
| === mornfall got gmail address (back in the invitation craze) and promptly set it to redirect to his normal smtp :) | ||
| pygi | mornfall: bleh :P | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i forgot to sign it. | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: guess you'll resign it anyway. | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: you'll want the binaries as well, i assume? | 02:50 |
| omeow | Riddell, ok. | 02:50 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: yes | 02:50 |
| omeow | (asking for backport, version number, etc) | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | cool | 02:51 |
| omeow | Riddell, before I file a report for that to be ported to backports, however, is this all that needs to be done? Shouldn't I check if the program works properly, etc? | 02:52 |
| omeow | Or is that done later? | 02:52 |
| Hobbsee | omeow: yes, you should have done that right after you tested it built | 02:52 |
| omeow | Right. And what happens if a newer version of kaffeine becomes available? Should I build that and ask for a backport? | 02:53 |
| Hobbsee | omeow: oh, kaffeine. good, that should fix a lot of the kaffeine bugs! | 02:53 |
| Riddell | omeow: I did say 12:50 < Riddell> omeow: did you install and run it? | 02:53 |
| Hobbsee | omeow: you can if you want | 02:54 |
| omeow | Yes, I'm just asking. :) | 02:54 |
| omeow | I did a quick test to see if it worked. But I can be more extensive to see if everything works. | 02:54 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: do i want to know what happened with kubuntu.org, and why you cant access it? it'd be cool if we could chuck those kopete debs up for dapper - saves people going to the forum and grabbing crappy ones. | 03:01 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: same thing as happened to *.debian.org, it's being worked on | 03:02 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ahhh. right, didnt make the connection. | 03:02 |
| omeow | That's probably in connection with the recently hacked debian server. | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 03:05 |
| toma | sf.net was down for that reason yesterday as well | 03:06 |
| toma | +probably | 03:06 |
| omeow | Riddell; https://launchpad.net/products/dapper-backports/+bug/53054 | 03:14 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 53054 in dapper-backports "Requesting backport for kaffeine_0.8.1-3ubuntu1" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] | 03:14 |
| === Hobbsee snorts | ||
| omeow | What? Did I do it wrong? =/ | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | a screensaver not working issue is a critical issue in dapper? right. | 03:20 |
| omeow | Oh... | 03:20 |
| omeow | It's not a critical issue, but it does make things look silly. | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | worried about security? lock your screen - dont even wait the 1min that you set it to. | 03:22 |
| omeow | That's probably them trying to come up with reasons to get the issue fixed as soon as possible. | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | omeow: yeah, they did it on the forums too, so they ranted and raved... | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | omeow: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1258847 | 03:24 |
| pygi | 9 more minutes | 03:35 |
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| Hobbsee | pygi: until? | 03:37 |
| pygi | Hobbsee: until I can reboot, and see what happens :P | 03:38 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: ahhh... | 03:39 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: what'd you do? oh, edgy | 03:39 |
| pygi | Hobbsee: indeed | 03:40 |
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| pygi_ | poke all | 03:53 |
| Hobbsee | poke pygi_! | 03:54 |
| pygi_ | Riddell: | 03:54 |
| pygi_ | Errors were encountered while processing: | 03:54 |
| pygi_ | /var/cache/apt/archives/adept-common_2.1_all.deb | 03:54 |
| pygi_ | /var/cache/apt/archives/adept-installer_2.1_i386.deb | 03:54 |
| pygi_ | /var/cache/apt/archives/adept-updater_2.1_i386.deb | 03:54 |
| pygi_ | /var/cache/apt/archives/adept-notifier_2.1_i386.deb | 03:54 |
| pygi_ | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 03:54 |
| pygi_ | what's happeninng around here? | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | pygi_: want to pastebin the entire error? | 03:55 |
| mornfall | may be missing Replaces: on adept-common | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 03:55 |
| pygi_ | ergh, I am afraid to reboot | 03:55 |
| mornfall | which i can't be bothered to fix, because it means shitload of work | 03:55 |
| pygi_ | mornfall: eh, thats bad attitude | 03:56 |
| mornfall | right, well, maybe you could fix and build it then, then catch my sponsor to upload it to debian? :) | 03:58 |
| mornfall | there are other rc-bugs as well | 03:58 |
| mornfall | which need fixing | 03:58 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: does the lack of fix mean it's permanently uninstallable, or what? | 03:58 |
| mornfall | no, it's just not upgradable | 03:58 |
| mornfall | have to remove adept and then install it again | 03:58 |
| Hobbsee | ah right | 03:58 |
| pygi_ | Hobsee, just do apt-get -f install | 03:59 |
| pygi_ | mornfall: I can't fix all your mistakes :) | 03:59 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: okay, that's all uploaded now | 03:59 |
| mornfall | right | 04:00 |
| mornfall | i can't either | 04:00 |
| pygi_ | bleh =P | 04:00 |
| mornfall | however, there is a bug i can't seem to be able to fix for some reason | 04:01 |
| pygi_ | which one? | 04:01 |
| Hobbsee | the java one? | 04:01 |
| mornfall | that it crashes as soon as you hit preview changes | 04:01 |
| mornfall | no, a new one in 2.1 | 04:01 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 04:02 |
| mornfall | well, i could fix it | 04:02 |
| mornfall | but i would have to find some motivation first | 04:02 |
| pygi_ | !!! | 04:02 |
| ubotu | I know nothing about !! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu | 04:02 |
| pygi_ | mornfall: com'on, what kind of attitude is this!!! | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: one question - if you hate it so much, why are you doing this? | 04:03 |
| === pygi_ nods | ||
| mornfall | i can't even build it | 04:03 |
| mornfall | *** YOU'RE USING autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.60. | 04:03 |
| mornfall | *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer | 04:03 |
| mornfall | because the build tools SUCK | 04:03 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: we've got a patch for that, btw. | 04:04 |
| pygi_ | mornfall: no, they dont really | 04:04 |
| pygi_ | just relay, and fix your attitude | 04:04 |
| mornfall | you didn't spend last 20 minutes trying to fix cmake | 04:04 |
| mornfall | can i have the fix for the build? because without that, there will be no further 2.1 fixes anyway | 04:05 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: isnt that kde 4 based, which wasnt really stable enough to build on yet? that's what konvi people said | 04:05 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: sure, i'll grab you the link to it | 04:05 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu_00_autoconf2.60.diff | 04:05 |
| mornfall | no, kde3 with cmake | 04:05 |
| pygi_ | I wonder how would I do anything if I had yours attitude :-/ | 04:05 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: ahh... | 04:05 |
| mornfall | it's a wee bit less broken than autotools | 04:05 |
| mornfall | well, most of the time, anyway | 04:06 |
| mornfall | right now, it's trying to drive me nuts | 04:06 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:06 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: and is it succeeding? | 04:06 |
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| mornfall | apparently, yes | 04:07 |
| === Hobbsee hands mornfall some chocolate, and a coffee. drink up. | ||
| === mornfall wins | ||
| mornfall | hmm, or no | 04:10 |
| pygi_ | damn , so much errors | 04:12 |
| mornfall | \o/ it builds | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: yay! | 04:14 |
| === mornfall grabs the autoconf fix | ||
| Hobbsee | :) | 04:14 |
| mornfall | that one works too | 04:16 |
| mornfall | after some mucking with the build script | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | yay :) | 04:17 |
| mornfall | so after something like 40 minutes, i can do some actual work, instead of fixing the damn build system | 04:17 |
| mornfall | make that 30 | 04:18 |
| mornfall | more than enough to forget half the things i wanted | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 04:21 |
| Hobbsee | write them down? | 04:21 |
| mornfall | In Flames -- Come Clarity | 04:22 |
| mornfall | ha, i love when things work as i wanted them to | 04:22 |
| omeow | Where can I opt to remove my account from launchpad and everything associated to it? | 04:22 |
| Hobbsee | omeow: um, why? no idea, to answer the question | 04:22 |
| omeow | It's not in the FAQ and it's not in the options. | 04:22 |
| mornfall | i have downloaded first package ever with adept 2.2 branch | 04:23 |
| pygi_ | omeow: perhaps #launchpad , but... | 04:23 |
| mornfall | it didn't install correctly, but who cares | 04:23 |
| mornfall | woho, zsh: segmentation fault sudo sh -c | 04:25 |
| mornfall | lovely | 04:25 |
| mornfall | it also took down gdb | 04:25 |
| pygi_ | damn, why cant I locate qtdesigner | 04:27 |
| mornfall | hmm, divide by zero | 04:30 |
| mornfall | great one :) | 04:30 |
| Hobbsee | hah | 04:30 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: please dont tell me you coded that. | 04:30 |
| mornfall | Hobbsee: well, how often it happens that you perform more operations than you actually schedule (when scheduling nothing) :-)) | 04:32 |
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| Hobbsee | mornfall: this is true | 04:32 |
| pygi | Okay, so everyone, I suggest you don't upgrade your system | 04:32 |
| Hobbsee | um, what the heck was that? | 04:33 |
| pygi | Hobbsee: what?? | 04:33 |
| === Hobbsee thinks a possum just fell onto the roof or something | ||
| === Hobbsee just heard a large thump thump thud outside. | ||
| Hobbsee | pygi: why not? | 04:33 |
| pygi | Hobbsee: because it's heavily broken | 04:33 |
| mornfall | so it works, i can remove package | 04:33 |
| mornfall | it then crashes, but that's expected :-) | 04:34 |
| mornfall | thhe part that's not completely expected is that gdb freaks out | 04:34 |
| mornfall | but knowing gdb............. | 04:34 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: well, yeah, i knew that, what in particular? the short version? | 04:34 |
| Hobbsee | pygi: do we have X today? | 04:34 |
| pygi | Hobbsee: nop :) | 04:34 |
| mornfall | X? who needs X? :-)) | 04:34 |
| Hobbsee | mornfall: hehe! i do! | 04:34 |
| === Hobbsee hugs X | ||
| mornfall | but pygi, watch your attitude! | 04:34 |
| === mornfall hides | ||
| Hobbsee | pygi: oh good! | 04:35 |
| === Hobbsee thwaps pygi | ||
| === Hobbsee sends mornfall back to coding adept. | ||
| Hobbsee | :P | 04:35 |
| pygi | mornfall: my attitude is just fine :) | 04:35 |
| mornfall | oh but you say it's broken | 04:35 |
| mornfall | that's a bad attitude :p | 04:35 |
| pygi | well, it is | 04:35 |
| pygi | well, if I was its developer, it would be fixed in few minutes :) | 04:36 |
| mornfall | when i say it's broken, it's broken too, yet my attitude is bad and yours ok? :P | 04:36 |
| pygi | mornfall: no, you got it all wrong :P | 04:36 |
| mornfall | damn :-) | 04:36 |
| pygi | anyway, gotta reinstall some stable system :) | 04:37 |
| pygi | bye mornfall :P | 04:37 |
| mornfall | bye bye | 04:37 |
| OculusAquilae | is somebody working on KubuntuDialupSupport? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDialupSupport | 04:37 |
| OculusAquilae | first hi :) | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | hey OculusAquilae! | 04:38 |
| === Hobbsee isnt. | ||
| === Hobbsee doesnt know about anyone else. | ||
| === Hobbsee actually looks at the link. | ||
| Hobbsee | ah yes, that. and the kppp stuff. yes. | 04:39 |
| Hobbsee | OculusAquilae: were you offering? | 04:39 |
| OculusAquilae | hm, i think so :) | 04:40 |
| Riddell | OculusAquilae: no, but the fix to kppp should be trivial, the alternative to use knet is less trivial | 04:40 |
| Riddell | OculusAquilae: what would you like to see done? | 04:40 |
| OculusAquilae | Riddell: I think kppp doesn't have support for PPPoE and PPPoA etc. right? So knet would be nice (but it has a bad ui, right) | 04:42 |
| mornfall | this is so screwed, why is gdb segfaulting on me | 04:43 |
| mornfall | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr | 04:43 |
| Riddell | OculusAquilae: have you tried knet? | 04:44 |
| OculusAquilae | don't have a modem here at the moment | 04:44 |
| mornfall | zsh: segmentation fault KDE_DEBUG=1 DISPLAY=:0 gdb --args ./_build/default/adept/manager/adept_manage | 04:45 |
| mornfall | so is there some *useful* debugger on linux? | 04:46 |
| OculusAquilae | Riddell: but it's running here and has to my mind a very bad ui | 04:48 |
| Riddell | OculusAquilae: I agree | 04:50 |
| === Hobbsee beds. night all | ||
| Hobbsee | OculusAquilae: you have a LP account? | 04:58 |
| OculusAquilae | Hobbsee: yes, let me see | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | OculusAquilae: i'll try to remember to forward any of the dialup stuff bugs to you | 04:59 |
| OculusAquilae | https://launchpad.net/people/bastianholst -- that's me | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | OculusAquilae: okay, cool. ooh, you're a katapult dev :) | 05:00 |
| OculusAquilae | right | 05:00 |
| === Hobbsee kills off some of the very old bug reports. | ||
| Hobbsee | night all | 05:18 |
| nixternal | nite | 05:18 |
| nixternal | mornin' all ;) | 05:18 |
| Hobbsee | hi nixternal | 05:18 |
| nixternal | hiya Hobbsee | 05:18 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: see Riddell's comments about your package earlier | 05:18 |
| nixternal | hehe...my name is WikiFied i know..that is how i did it on the puter when i set it up, so that is what happens when i dch -i | 05:19 |
| nixternal | i will fix that from now on ;) | 05:19 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: then you need to change it :P | 05:19 |
| === Hobbsee notes that you can set the name, she thinks. | ||
| nixternal | you can | 05:19 |
| nixternal | i gotta find it in /etc somewhere | 05:19 |
| mornfall | hmm, is someone else than me ever going to need non-threaded version of adept? | 05:20 |
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| mornfall | (i could go the extra bits to make an --nothreads commandline option) | 05:20 |
| mornfall | right now it's compile-time switch | 05:20 |
| mornfall | ohwell, YAGNi | 05:20 |
| mornfall | I | 05:20 |
| nixternal | hehe | 05:20 |
| mornfall | anyone with an idea how long gdb build takes? :\ | 05:21 |
| mornfall | although, it's running tests already | 05:21 |
| mornfall | WOW gdb doesn't crash with NOTHREADS version of adept \o/ | 05:27 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/packages/kflickr-0.6/ <- fixed the name issue so it isn't wikified anymore ;) | 06:20 |
| Riddell | nixternal: I've upready uploaded that package | 06:21 |
| nixternal | roger that...in the future then it will be good ;) | 06:21 |
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| nixternal | http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/packages/lyx-1.4.2/ | 07:38 |
| nixternal | ^^how does that look? | 07:38 |
| Riddell | nixternal: bad e-mail in changelog | 07:43 |
| nixternal | arg | 07:43 |
| nixternal | i know..the freakin' @CaboWabo again | 07:43 |
| Riddell | nixternal: is this in debian? | 07:43 |
| nixternal | i believe so as the older version was previously merged | 07:43 |
| === nixternal double checks | ||
| Riddell | but this version isn't, so version number should be -0ubuntu1 | 07:44 |
| nixternal | k | 07:44 |
| === nixternal fixes that now | ||
| nixternal | i have to make a note on changing the email issue..is there a way to set it when i do 'dch -i' that is grabs my email address and now the localhost? | 07:45 |
| nixternal | s/now/not | 07:46 |
| toma | nixternal: you can set a env var iirc, see the man page | 07:47 |
| nixternal | ty toma | 07:47 |
| nixternal | Riddell: i updated the page with the corrected info in it and the <version> | 07:49 |
| Riddell | nixternal: seems all good, I'll upload if it compiles | 07:51 |
| nixternal | cool Riddell..thanks...Hobbsee got me hooked now after showing me her way | 07:51 |
| Riddell | what's her way? | 07:51 |
| nixternal | actually your way...as whe pasted the conversation between you two last year in pastebin | 07:52 |
| nixternal | s/whe/she | 07:52 |
| Riddell | nixternal: applying patch 02.htlatex_documentation to ./ ... failed | 07:54 |
| nixternal | hmm | 07:54 |
| nixternal | is that the only issue, or did it fail totally upon that error? | 08:00 |
| nixternal | LyX-Dokumente knen nach HTML konvertiert werden, indem sie zunhst nach | 08:07 |
| nixternal | ^^the special characters...would they be a reason for failure? | 08:07 |
| Riddell | no | 08:10 |
| Riddell | presumably the file that patch touches has changed | 08:10 |
| Riddell | you'll need to apply the patch by hand and make a diff | 08:10 |
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| nixternal | heh, that one is probably a little bit beyond my no0b packaging skills ;) | 08:12 |
| Riddell | it's not hard | 08:15 |
| Riddell | copy the file to a backup place | 08:15 |
| Riddell | emacs 02.htlatex_documentation file/to/edit | 08:15 |
| Riddell | apply changes | 08:15 |
| Riddell | diff -u backup file/to/edit | 08:15 |
| === nixternal gives it a try | ||
| nixternal | file/to/edit refers to the de_Extended.lyx file? | 08:27 |
| nixternal | emacs 02.htlatex_documentation ../../../lyx-1.4.1/lib/doc/de_Extended.lyx | 08:32 |
| Riddell | yes | 08:35 |
| nixternal | im glad the file is huge ;) | 08:37 |
| nixternal | now with that info, cp/paste it into 02.? | 08:47 |
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| nixternal | those patches won't work anyways, as they are referring to lyx-1.4.1 and the package is 1.4.2 | 08:53 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: that's not a problem | 08:57 |
| nixternal | k | 08:57 |
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| nixternal | E: lyx_1.4.2-0ubuntu1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-chages-file edgy | 09:23 |
| nixternal | ^^ that is ignorable since im on a dapper setup | 09:24 |
| Riddell | nixternal: yes | 09:27 |
| nixternal | Riddell: in order to create the .orig.tar.gz and the lyx-1.4.2 dir..i did => cd lyx-1.4.1/ && uupdate ../lyx-1.4.2.tar.gz | 09:28 |
| nixternal | then i edited changelog...then did the dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot -k<mykey> | 09:28 |
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| nixternal | http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/packages/kxstitch-0.8/ | 10:16 |
| nixternal | ^^ ready to check out | 10:17 |
| Riddell | 0.8-1-0ubuntu1 version number is wrong | 10:20 |
| nixternal | k | 10:20 |
| nixternal | 0.8-0ubuntu1? | 10:20 |
| nixternal | yup | 10:21 |
| nixternal | fixed | 10:24 |
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| nixternal | http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/packages/kvpnc-0.8.5.1/ | 10:56 |
| nixternal | ^^ another one | 10:56 |
| jjesse | nixternal: did you get my email ? | 10:57 |
| === nixternal checks | ||
| nixternal | Appendix D? | 10:57 |
| nixternal | got it | 10:57 |
| jjesse | yeah i totally forgot about it :) | 10:57 |
| fred | nixternal, the last char after your 'another one' and 'got it' | 10:58 |
| fred | what is it ? | 10:58 |
| fred | it appears very strange on my screen, like a " merged with a very large coma | 10:58 |
| nixternal | fred, i copied it from everyone else..and i made a "auto replace" | 10:58 |
| nixternal | it is supposed to be a smiley face | 10:59 |
| fred | ok :) so my client doesnt support this :) | 10:59 |
| === fred is surprised to see smiley in non ascii :) | ||
| fred | jsut wanted to knwo | 10:59 |
| nixternal | no fred, look at the image..it looks like a smiley face | 10:59 |
| nixternal | the way you described it is correct | 11:00 |
| Riddell | hello fred | 11:00 |
| fred | so *this* is a face :) | 11:00 |
| nixternal | hehe ya | 11:00 |
| fred | Riddell: hello | 11:00 |
| nixternal | Riddell: im not annoying you with the uploads am i?? i know you are busy and i definately understand if im "in the way"...im just trying to learn the packaging during "busy as all heck" times | 11:01 |
| Riddell | nixternal: if you were annoying me I'd ignore you :) | 11:02 |
| nixternal | probably not the best time to learn | 11:02 |
| nixternal | gahahah Riddell | 11:02 |
| Riddell | nixternal: looking now | 11:02 |
| nixternal | and tonight when hobbsee gets on, i will annoy her..actually she is the one that started all of this | 11:02 |
| Riddell | nixternal: kvpnc fails to compile on edgy, are you testing these packages first? | 11:03 |
| nixternal | sorry | 11:04 |
| nixternal | im testing them with lintian -i | 11:04 |
| nixternal | i don't have an edgy machine setup just yet to test. as the last time i tried it, it killed everything | 11:04 |
| Riddell | nixternal: make a chroot | 11:04 |
| Riddell | mkdir edgy; sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd edgy edgy/ | 11:05 |
| nixternal | heh, got the packaging guide right here in my lap | 11:06 |
| nixternal | will create that now | 11:06 |
| nixternal | thx | 11:06 |
| nixternal | ok Riddell, i will stop bugging ya for the time being..i appreciate everything big time..imbrandon is gonna put me through chroot bootcamp tonight. | 11:14 |
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