=== linuxmonkey [n=linuxmon@unaffiliated/LinuxMonkey] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel === RichJ [n=nixterna@unaffiliated/nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:27] Tonio__: fyi, new gwenview is out [12:30] toma: argh ! I performed the merge 3 days ago ;) [12:30] I'll do it again then... [12:30] Tonio__: the good news is that it should be streightforward now ;-) === apacheLAGger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger === hunger_ [n=tobias@p54A637F4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:51] toma: ping ? [01:51] Tonio__: pongg [01:51] just a little question cause I'm a bit embarrassed actually [01:52] toma: I just discovered there is no /etc/init.d/inetd script in ubuntu.... [01:52] how it inet.d launch managed ? [01:52] I have one on debian [01:52] sounds strange........ [01:52] hmm, i dont know actually [01:53] i seem to have a /etc/init.d/inetd [01:53] tomahu ? [01:54] tonio@kubuntu:~$ find /etc/init.d/ | grep inet [01:54] tonio@kubuntu:~$ [01:54] toma: ubuntu dapper too ? [01:54] yep [01:55] it is available in netkit-inetd [01:56] is it normal that isn't installed by default ? [01:56] on the desktop I can understand, but on the server............. that's a bit weird [01:56] yes [01:57] imagin you want to install uw-imap for example.......... it will never start [01:57] for server you would expect it installed [01:57] of course........ [01:57] I will post a mail on the server ml concerning this [01:57] yes [01:57] or if you don't, you need to make sure that inetd based apps depend on that package.... at least [01:58] hmm [01:58] you can use uw-imap as a daemon [01:58] so a depend is a bit harsh [01:58] but if it is the default..... [01:58] toma: you always can, but that means you will write the init.d script.......... [01:58] which isn't provided by default [01:59] and there is a postinst script that configures inetd to use it [01:59] that's why I feel stupid not to have a dependance on it [01:59] yes [01:59] tehe current amount of packages depending on that packages is very low though [02:02] lsb-base will install it though [02:02] uw-imap should depend on that i think [02:03] hmm no [02:03] i'm tired [02:06] night toma [02:07] night [02:07] thanks for the help [02:07] yw === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:18] Riddell: what sizes? [02:19] seaLne: me size [02:19] and a couple of other sizes [02:19] and bring one that's Mark Shuttleworth size, we'll see if we can get him to buy one :) [02:21] cool :) [02:22] would i be able to prise an ubuntu tshirt out of him? :) [02:22] don't think so, they've only had a couple of batches made and they were both for distro summits [02:22] large which is the biggest i have is 44" which should be fine for you, i'm medium [02:23] whit? yous saying I'm fat likes? [02:23] :) [02:24] i was thinking on bringing about 20 tshirts down with me [02:24] s,m and l [02:25] sounds good [02:25] i think asuming i sell all of the current run, i will do some XL [02:25] people ae bigger than i thought :) [02:26] but then i thought small would have fit me, more dieting i suppose [02:28] dannya should be on the KDE/kubuntu stand too [02:28] cool :) [02:28] and maybe my Krissy will come along for a bit [02:29] should i bring a laptop?, i personally probably don't have much use for one [02:29] laxk of interweb etc [02:29] yeah, hadn't thought [02:29] I'll ask Ben Lamb what he's thinking of brining [02:29] just getting home from the pub may be a bit obvious from my typing :) [02:32] nn [02:33] /msg === Huahua [n=hua_@123.49.238.104] has joined #kubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=Me@208.138.25.40] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:36] Is there a qt interface to Smart? [03:44] DaSkreech: no [03:45] Ok didn't think so [03:45] DaSkreech: only the GTK+ one, heard it might be in the works though :) [03:46] By Whom? [03:46] DaSkreech: i'm not sure, just hearsay knowledge :P [03:47] The best kind :) [03:47] lol [03:48] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartPackageManager [03:48] See Outstanding issues :) [03:56] It's used by many other distros? [03:56] not that i'm aware of :P [03:57] Heh [03:58] afaik, Canonical is it's main 'sponsor' [03:59] I like the Riddell comment [04:03] indeed :) === Tm_T [i=tm_travo@xob.kapsi.fi] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:23] hi kids === chavo [n=chavo@68-235-253-154.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:25] hello uncle :P [05:26] we haven't been naughty while you were away ;) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:30] hiya Hobbsee [05:31] Hobbsee: Welcome! [05:31] damn you nixternal! [05:31] hi all [05:31] hahaha [05:31] hi nixternal and DaSkreech! [05:31] did kopete 0.12.1 get built for dapper? [05:32] I downgraded to 0.11 and it works now [05:32] DaSkreech: what works now? [05:32] Oscar [05:32] icq [05:32] yup [05:32] You went ot 0.11 as well? [05:33] on my other system since i use icq [05:33] I'm getting the Yahoo beta now [05:33] actually..im getting ready to setup bitlbee and get rid of kopete all together [05:33] Man I hate webinstalls [05:33] nixternal: fix for that is in my kopete edgy packages, or 0.12.1 [05:34] good deal Hobbsee [05:34] imbrandon: ping? [05:34] nixternal: want them built for i386 dapper, i take it? [05:34] they need to be built for all platforms right? [05:35] nixternal: well, eyah [05:35] hehe === Hobbsee isnt sure what chroots are on imbrandon's machine. [05:35] im a k7/i386 kinda guy...but i am in no hurry either [05:35] oh good - the alias does work! [05:36] dchroot -c dapper -d and s/dapper/edgy [05:36] brb on the phone [05:36] imbrandon: heya [05:36] okay [05:36] heh, thanks [05:37] woohoo...cabo san lucas here i come!!! [05:37] hrm [05:37] nixternal, do you have [05:37] nope [05:37] vfat partition mounted ? [05:37] heh, i was actually right on that one ;) [05:37] imbrandon: no idea, havent looked yet [05:37] i don't use no stinkin' fat anything === Hobbsee fishes around imbrandon's hard drive. [05:37] imbrandon: where'd you put the config files for pbuilder? [05:37] Hobbsee <3 [05:38] hi Tm_T [05:38] :) [05:38] abattoir: hi to you too [05:38] Tm_T: :D [05:38] Hobbsee, i dont have it setup on that box, they are just plain chroots [05:38] set em up if you want [05:39] ( pbuilder ) [05:39] imbrandon: you've got pbuilder stuff in your home dir, it looks like === Hobbsee might just rm -rf them, and start again. [05:39] yea thats a nfs homedir for all my boxes ;) [05:39] imbrandon: ah...right....so i probably shouldnt delete it? [05:39] yea ;)/home is a nfs share ;) [05:39] hehe === Hobbsee wonders which config file will try to use it [05:40] !pbuilder [05:40] pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto [05:40] it wont use one from my /home/brandon thats for sure [05:40] maybe [05:40] !classroom [05:40] The Ubuntu Classroom is a project which aims to tutor users about Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu through biweekly sessions in #ubuntu-classroom - For more information visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom [05:40] guess it's not named right [05:40] that ownz [05:40] Yeah I just saw it [05:42] okay, nothing pbuilder related in /usr/local/bin, so i should be able to write to it [05:58] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates the "karamba" on the list that builds agains gamin, that is superkaramba i am guessing? [05:59] yeah it would be [05:59] k [05:59] man that's a lot of packages to update [05:59] so i take it none of those are going to be in knot 1 then [05:59] nixternal: they will be, but they'll still have a dep on libgamin0 [05:59] or they are, just build agains libgamin0 === Hobbsee think she'll wait for wednesday for that stuff. [05:59] ahhh ya [05:59] k [06:00] i wanted to play with some simple packaging here for some more exercises.. === Hobbsee looks. === Hobbsee looks again [06:01] one more look and you might have it ;0 [06:01] nixternal: go for it - there's plenty of packages to do - just make sure you're running an up to date edgy pbuilder. [06:01] would karamba be superkaramba or just plain old karamba? [06:01] pbuilder -update [06:01] right? [06:01] hobbsee@voyager:~$ uname -a [06:01] Linux voyager 2.6.15-26-686 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jul 7 19:48:22 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux [06:02] no - [06:02] i already have an edgy pbuilder done [06:02] doh [06:02] imbrandon: thought you said you were on amd64? [06:02] makes it easier if you're on i386 though [06:03] nah voyager is i386 [06:03] birdofprey ( the nfs server ) is amd64 [06:03] imbrandon: oh nice! and that's the good building machine? [06:03] ahhhh.. [06:03] yea your on the good building machine and its i386 [06:03] excellent === Hobbsee tries to copy over some settings. [06:04] Hobbsee: i didn't even see the - up there...so i was like wth is no - [06:04] hhe [06:06] !karamba [06:06] superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org [06:07] waste of cpu [06:08] does anything kde based give you graphical ssh? [06:09] Hobbsee, konsole :) [06:09] chavo: note "graphical" :P [06:09] that's hwat i had been using [06:09] kssh [06:09] you can use fish://username@server in konqueror [06:09] oh ya, forgot about that [06:09] Isn't that waste of CPU basically going to be built into KDE4? [06:10] there is so much stuff in konvo [06:10] ah, is it fish? i only tried ssh/ [06:10] is that what they are going to use for widgets? [06:10] yeah fish rocks, you can put shortcuts in the open/save dialog and use it anywhere [06:10] excellent :) === nixternal loves the cli ssh'n [06:13] nixternal: i do, but copying specific files graphically is easier === Hobbsee needs to learn to use screen next. [06:13] screen rox [06:13] Ohhh screen rocks! [06:14] it is as easy as [06:14] screen === Hobbsee doesnt usually get to play on other people's machines :P [06:14] screen -r [06:14] heh, every time i did that, little men in black suits show up ;) === Hobbsee will modify these files locally, then upload them, she thinks. [06:21] shit. [06:21] that wasnt quite the plan :P [06:22] okay, tha'ts killed off the graphical ssh session. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:25] and now we're back to running at normal speed. [06:26] good. [06:26] Hi Hobbsee [06:26] Night [06:26] Going to try and get better [06:26] night DaSkreech [06:26] DaSkreech: your partition is free of errors? :) [06:27] Oh No still screwed [06:27] oh :( [06:27] It works :) [06:27] Still worrying though === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.151.224] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee attacks pbuilder with a large pointy stick. === rob runs from Hobbsee [07:24] hehe [07:24] rob: it's being annoying, and i've forgotten how i got it to work before. [07:24] hehe I know the pain :( === Hobbsee is sure she didnt have to blatantly hard code things last time. === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:43] nixternal: if you want to do some of those merges, you're welcome - just tell me where you're starting from [07:43] although i may delay till i have upload privs. [07:43] depends how long it takes me to get this delightful thing working. === nixternal will hold off on that since i am still refreshing my packaging skillz..unless merging is a heck of a lot simpler..but i don't ever remembering it being easier ;) [07:44] nixternal: removing a build dep/dep? should be very simple :) [07:44] nixternal: easier than the dh_iconcache stuff, although i guess you never did that [07:45] messed with it briefly is all i can say with the iconcache [07:45] speaking of which, did someone ever do kvpnc? [07:47] Hobbsee: which merges were you referring to??? so i can give them a quick lookover [07:47] nixternal: not merging, gamin rebuild stuff. [07:47] ahhh [07:47] hmm..the first sentence says "After Knot 1" [07:48] which is like now isn't it [07:48] nixternal: that's true. i'm not sure when it is [07:48] this week [07:48] i thought the 14th for some reason [07:48] nixternal: i would assume on monday/tues/wed or so [07:48] yeah, it was supposed to be this week [08:08] i think we might just have success... [08:08] sorta [08:19] you. are. kidding. [08:19] this better not be the problem. [08:23] no,it isnt. grr. [08:24] lol === nixternal documents Hobbsee's passion [08:24] nixternal: unfortunately, i cant defenstrate this machine. [08:24] Hobbsee: it is time to take a break when you start using IRC to express your feeling, your anger, or your passion ;) [08:24] nixternal: hah. [08:25] although, i detected sarcasm from crimsun tonight on irc.. [08:25] maybe i need a break [08:26] i actually have the feeling that i am not doing enough to help out, i feel like i have a lot of free time to spare [08:26] maybe i am just a big looser [08:26] nixternal: i get that too :P [08:26] no you're nto [08:26] whew [08:26] nixternal: you're new at this. [08:26] new..i did this with SuSe for a good 5 years b4 i about jumped from a bridge ;) [08:27] but that was back when i was into programming...that was also the time i totally switched fields in IT [08:28] nixternal: give that gamin stuff a go - no one around to upload it (yet), but [08:29] i will at least grab a package and source and take a look [08:36] nixternal: make sure you grab it from the right distro - iv'e screwed that before :P [08:36] apt-get source kflickr [08:36] that is how i am grabbing it from us [08:36] then i am getting the 0.6 from sourceforge [08:37] that came out last week === Huahua [n=hua_@123.49.238.104] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:44] nixternal: i got it! [08:44] nixternal: yeah, but which distro are you running? dapper? [08:45] you need the edgy sources to build for edgy (mutter mutter grumble grumble at trying to patch 0.12 with a 0.11 patch!) [08:45] ya Hobbsee [08:45] running dapper [08:45] hrmm... [08:46] nixternal: you need to either login to a edgy pbuilder, or grab the source from packages.ubuntu.com - again, make sure it's edgy, then run dpkg-source -x foo.dsc [08:46] got it [08:47] ahhh haaaa [08:47] :D [08:47] i was wondering where all the libgamin was ;) [08:47] hehe [08:47] okay, it's kopete building time! [08:49] hrmm [08:50] nixternal: wha't sup? [08:50] i get a 'File to Patch:' entry after running cd kflickr-0.5/ && uupdate ../kflickr-0.6.tar.gz [08:50] never seen this one b4 [08:50] bleck, uupdate hey? [08:51] following crims [08:51] you need to check for current patches, and see if they still apply first [08:51] yeah yeah. === Hobbsee doenst trust uupdate. [08:51] it fubar'd my package once. [08:51] but it was a nice tool :) [08:51] current patches from upstream? [08:51] nixternal: yeah, see if ubuntu added anything [08:51] use dch to view the changelog [08:52] nope [08:52] everything is 0.5 [08:52] hmmm... === Hobbsee just does upgrades manually. less easy to fubar that way. === ajmitch has never used uupdate [08:53] hey ajmitch [08:53] hello [08:53] okay, this is working, i'm happy now. [08:54] Hobbsee: fill me in on the manual if it is quick and easy? === Hobbsee had to hardcode the edgy directory to make it read the apt-cache. [08:55] nixternal: have a look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18057 [08:55] Riddell gave me excellent directions :) [08:56] nixternal: s/apt-get source/ directions from above w.r.t packages.ubuntu.com and dpkg-source -x [08:56] k === nixternal gives that a try [08:58] aye, i think i'm in trouble now. === Hobbsee inadvertantly killed apachelogger's changes to kopete, as he didnt speak to me, and i'd been doing the last few upgrades. === Hobbsee suspects he wont like that. [08:59] lol [09:00] Hobbsee: for kflickr there is already a debian directory [09:00] should that get wiped out, and cp over the old...or keep this one [09:01] nixternal: ouch? [09:01] hehe === Hobbsee checks the packaging guide. === nixternal has it open on puter and in lap [09:01] hehe [09:02] nixternal: check the section on common mistakes [09:02] does it have my picture next to it? [09:02] ;) [09:02] Do not repackage it. You can ask the author(s) to delete the debian/ dir and provide a diff.gz instead. This makes it easier to review their work, and it separates packaging from program source. [09:02] hah - no, we all make them [09:03] it's taken me a few hours to get a simple pbuilder working, cos i didnt make the configuration file quite correct. [09:03] nixternal: yeah, copy ubuntu's debian dir over. and whinge at the people who make kflickr [09:04] roger that [09:06] man, kopete builds much quicker on imbrandon's machine! [09:06] hehe [09:06] use and abuse it [09:06] hah === Hobbsee has been. === Hobbsee has been fighting with pbuilder on it. === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-248-203.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:07] i fight with everythign..so im used to that [09:07] heh === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-248-203.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Hobbsee went around removing all the config files for it, then watched it whinge. === Hobbsee then hardcoded bits, until it whinged about what she wanted to whinge about. [09:08] lol === Hobbsee then put those files back, and it works :) [09:08] it's clearly not a good idea to comment out the line about result [09:08] good when it just happens to work like that [09:09] hrmm [09:09] debsign doesn't work for me [09:10] nixternal: do you have a key? [09:10] yes ma'am [09:10] hwo are you using the debsign? [09:10] well..pbuilder -S [09:10] and i get the debsign error === Hobbsee wonders what -S does. === nixternal too [09:11] lol [09:11] where are you getting pbuilder -S from? [09:11] packaging guide [09:11] im on another tangent there === Hobbsee thought it had to be "dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot --autosign -kxxxxxxxx" to build the source of a package. or something [09:12] you can just debsign it afterwards, it doesnt matter [09:12] ahh..ok [09:12] what is that dch -i bit [09:12] dch -i = increment changelog [09:13] do "dch", then exit, then "dch -i" - fairly easy to see [09:13] ya..all i had to do was run it to see ;) [09:13] and say "New upstream version" and update the version number appropriately [09:14] done with all that..man that is whicked easy [09:14] time to build [09:15] should i build it the way you posted a few lines back? [09:15] dpkg-buildpackage? [09:15] nixternal: use dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot -k98B2D4F0 <-- but with your key, instead of mine [09:16] issue that in kflickr-0.6/ [09:16] cd ../ from teh debian dir === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-248-203.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:16] Riddell, poke ^_^ [09:17] pygi: too early [09:17] pygi: hmm...maybe not. most likely too early [09:17] Hobbsee, oki, thanks ^_^ Do you know if we have pykde4? [09:17] pygi: in edgy? no, but p.u.c should [09:18] Hobbsee, please translate the "p" part to me ^_^ [09:18] pygi: ah, sorry. packages.ubuntu.com [09:18] pygi: good morning :) [09:18] like p.d.o - packages.debian.org [09:18] planet.ubuntu.com is usually referred to as planet [09:19] Hobbsee, well, I haven't found it there, but oh well ^_^ [09:19] morning abattoir, how are you? [09:19] hehe [09:19] wo0t Hobbsee it completed [09:19] next step please ;) [09:19] !info pykdeextensions [09:19] pykdeextensions: Python packages to support KDE applications (scripts). In repository main, is optional. Version 0.4.0-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 110 kB, installed size 792 kB [09:20] nixternal: got somewhere to upload? [09:20] abattoir, I saw that already !!! [09:20] Hobbsee: buntudot [09:20] pygi: sleepy, bye, btw remember, ^^^ is not pykde4 ;) [09:20] abattoir, you havent slept? [09:20] beh [09:20] no :( [09:20] night night [09:20] nixternal: nice, upload it, and i'll take alook [09:20] its worse than my computer's uptime :( [09:21] upload => .dsc, source.changes, ubuntu1.tar.gz, orig.tar.gz, and tar.gz? [09:21] nixternal: is there a .diff.gz? [09:21] no [09:21] hrrmm [09:22] nixternal: what's the name of the .orig.tar.gz? [09:22] kflickr-0.6.orig.tar.gz [09:22] that is the one i created prior [09:22] nixternal: change the - to a _ and run teh dpkg-buildpackage again. [09:23] k [09:23] should i rm anything prior? [09:23] nixternal: ah, shouldnt need to [09:23] i should have freakin' known that too [09:23] im an idiot there ;) [09:23] nixternal: not really. i got caught with that a fair few times [09:23] nixternal: you're not an idiot at all. [09:23] i do it every time though ;) [09:23] lol [09:24] where is that big pointy stick? === Hobbsee hands nixternal the big pointy stick [09:25] booyah [09:25] there is the diff ;) [09:25]