[12:27] <toma> Tonio__: fyi, new gwenview is out
[12:30] <Tonio__> toma: argh ! I performed the merge 3 days ago ;)
[12:30] <Tonio__> I'll do it again then...
[12:30] <toma> Tonio__: the good news is that it should be streightforward now ;-)
[01:51] <Tonio__> toma: ping ?
[01:51] <toma> Tonio__: pongg
[01:51] <Tonio__> just a little question cause I'm a bit embarrassed actually
[01:52] <Tonio__> toma: I just discovered there is no /etc/init.d/inetd script in ubuntu....
[01:52] <Tonio__> how it inet.d launch managed ?
[01:52] <Tonio__> I have one on debian
[01:52] <Tonio__> sounds strange........
[01:52] <toma> hmm, i dont know actually
[01:53] <toma> i seem to have a /etc/init.d/inetd
[01:53] <Tonio__> tomahu ?
[01:54] <Tonio__> tonio@kubuntu:~$ find /etc/init.d/ | grep inet
[01:54] <Tonio__> tonio@kubuntu:~$                 
[01:54] <Tonio__> toma: ubuntu dapper too ?
[01:54] <toma> yep
[01:55] <toma> it is available in netkit-inetd
[01:56] <Tonio__> is it normal that isn't installed by default ?
[01:56] <Tonio__> on the desktop I can understand, but on the server............. that's a bit weird
[01:56] <toma> yes
[01:57] <Tonio__> imagin you want to install uw-imap for example.......... it will never start
[01:57] <toma> for server you would expect it installed
[01:57] <Tonio__> of course........
[01:57] <Tonio__> I will post a mail on the server ml concerning this
[01:57] <toma> yes
[01:57] <Tonio__> or if you don't, you need to make sure that inetd based apps depend on that package.... at least
[01:58] <toma> hmm 
[01:58] <toma> you can use uw-imap as a daemon
[01:58] <toma> so a depend is a bit harsh
[01:58] <toma> but if it is  the  default.....
[01:58] <Tonio__> toma: you always can,  but that means you will write the init.d script..........
[01:58] <Tonio__> which isn't provided by default
[01:59] <Tonio__> and there is a postinst script that configures inetd to use it
[01:59] <Tonio__> that's why I feel stupid not to have a dependance on it
[01:59] <toma> yes
[01:59] <toma> tehe current amount of packages depending on that packages is very low though
[02:02] <toma> lsb-base will install it though
[02:02] <toma> uw-imap should depend on that i think
[02:03] <toma> hmm no
[02:03] <toma> i'm tired
[02:06] <Tonio__> night toma
[02:07] <toma> night
[02:07] <Tonio__> thanks for the help
[02:07] <toma> yw
[02:18] <seaLne> Riddell: what sizes?
[02:19] <Riddell> seaLne: me size
[02:19] <Riddell> and a couple of other sizes
[02:19] <Riddell> and bring one that's Mark Shuttleworth size, we'll see if we can get him to buy one :)
[02:21] <seaLne> cool :)
[02:22] <seaLne> would i be able to prise an ubuntu tshirt out of him? :)
[02:22] <Riddell> don't think so, they've only had a couple of batches made and they were both for distro summits
[02:22] <seaLne> large which is the biggest i have is 44" which should be fine for you, i'm medium
[02:23] <Riddell> whit?  yous saying I'm fat likes?
[02:23] <seaLne> :)
[02:24] <seaLne> i was thinking on bringing about 20 tshirts down with me
[02:24] <seaLne> s,m and l
[02:25] <Riddell> sounds good
[02:25] <seaLne> i think asuming i sell all of the current run, i will do some XL
[02:25] <seaLne> people ae bigger than i thought :)
[02:26] <seaLne> but then i thought small would have fit me, more dieting i suppose
[02:28] <Riddell> dannya should be on the KDE/kubuntu stand too
[02:28] <seaLne> cool :)
[02:28] <Riddell> and maybe my Krissy will come along for a bit
[02:29] <seaLne> should i bring a laptop?, i personally probably don't have much use for one
[02:29] <seaLne> laxk of interweb etc
[02:29] <Riddell> yeah, hadn't thought
[02:29] <Riddell> I'll ask Ben Lamb what he's thinking of brining
[02:29] <seaLne> just getting home from the pub may be a bit obvious from my typing :)
[02:32] <seaLne> nn
[02:33] <Riddell>  /msg
[03:36] <DaSkreech> Is there a qt interface to Smart?
[03:44] <abattoir> DaSkreech: no
[03:45] <DaSkreech> Ok didn't think so
[03:45] <abattoir> DaSkreech: only the GTK+ one, heard it might be in the works though :)
[03:46] <DaSkreech> By Whom?
[03:46] <abattoir> DaSkreech: i'm not sure, just hearsay knowledge :P
[03:47] <DaSkreech> The best kind :)
[03:47] <abattoir> lol
[03:48] <abattoir> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartPackageManager
[03:48] <abattoir> See Outstanding issues :)
[03:56] <DaSkreech> It's used by many other distros?
[03:56] <abattoir> not that i'm aware of :P
[03:57] <DaSkreech> Heh 
[03:58] <abattoir> afaik, Canonical is it's main 'sponsor'
[03:59] <DaSkreech>  I like the Riddell comment
[04:03] <abattoir> indeed :)
[05:23] <Tm_T> hi kids
[05:25] <abattoir> hello uncle :P
[05:26] <abattoir> we haven't been naughty while you  were away ;)
[05:30] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[05:31] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Welcome!
[05:31] <DaSkreech> damn you nixternal!
[05:31] <Hobbsee> hi all
[05:31] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:31] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal and DaSkreech!
[05:31] <Hobbsee> did kopete 0.12.1 get built for dapper?
[05:32] <DaSkreech> I downgraded to 0.11 and it works now
[05:32] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: what works now?
[05:32] <DaSkreech> Oscar
[05:32] <nixternal> icq
[05:32] <nixternal> yup
[05:32] <DaSkreech> You went ot 0.11 as well?
[05:33] <nixternal> on my other system since i use icq
[05:33] <DaSkreech> I'm getting the Yahoo beta now
[05:33] <nixternal> actually..im getting ready to setup bitlbee and get rid of kopete all together
[05:33] <DaSkreech> Man I hate webinstalls
[05:33] <Hobbsee> nixternal: fix for that is in my kopete edgy packages, or 0.12.1
[05:34] <nixternal> good deal Hobbsee
[05:34] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ping?
[05:34] <Hobbsee> nixternal: want them built for i386 dapper, i take it?
[05:34] <nixternal> they need to be built for all platforms right?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> nixternal: well, eyah
[05:35] <nixternal> hehe
[05:35] <nixternal> im a k7/i386 kinda guy...but i am in no hurry either
[05:35] <Hobbsee> oh good - the alias does work!
[05:36] <imbrandon> dchroot -c dapper -d and s/dapper/edgy
[05:36] <imbrandon> brb on the phone
[05:36] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heya
[05:36] <Hobbsee> okay
[05:36] <Hobbsee> heh, thanks
[05:37] <nixternal> woohoo...cabo san lucas here i come!!!
[05:37] <imbrandon> hrm
[05:37] <imbrandon> nixternal, do you have
[05:37] <nixternal> nope
[05:37] <imbrandon> vfat partition mounted ?
[05:37] <nixternal> heh, i was actually right on that one ;)
[05:37] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: no idea, havent looked yet
[05:37] <nixternal> i don't use no stinkin' fat anything
[05:37] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: where'd you put the config files for pbuilder?
[05:37] <Tm_T> Hobbsee <3
[05:38] <Hobbsee> hi Tm_T 
[05:38] <Tm_T> :)
[05:38] <Tm_T> abattoir: hi to you too
[05:38] <abattoir> Tm_T: :D
[05:38] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i dont have it setup on that box, they are just plain chroots
[05:38] <imbrandon> set em up if you want
[05:39] <imbrandon> ( pbuilder )
[05:39] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you've got pbuilder stuff in your home dir, it looks like
[05:39] <imbrandon> yea thats a nfs homedir for all my boxes ;)
[05:39] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah...right....so i probably shouldnt delete it?
[05:39] <imbrandon> yea ;)/home is a nfs share ;)
[05:39] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:40] <Hobbsee> !pbuilder
[05:40] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[05:40] <imbrandon> it wont use one from my /home/brandon thats for sure
[05:40] <Hobbsee> maybe
[05:40] <nixternal> !classroom
[05:40] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Classroom is a project which aims to tutor users about Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu through biweekly sessions in #ubuntu-classroom - For more information visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom
[05:40] <Hobbsee> guess it's not named right
[05:40] <nixternal> that ownz
[05:40] <DaSkreech> Yeah I just saw it
[05:42] <Hobbsee> okay, nothing pbuilder related in /usr/local/bin, so i should be able to write to it
[05:58] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates   the "karamba" on the list that builds agains gamin, that is superkaramba i am guessing?
[05:59] <Hobbsee> yeah it would be
[05:59] <nixternal> k
[05:59] <Hobbsee> man that's a lot of packages to update
[05:59] <nixternal> so i take it none of those are going to be in knot 1 then
[05:59] <Hobbsee> nixternal: they will be, but they'll still have a dep on libgamin0
[05:59] <nixternal> or they are, just build agains libgamin0
[05:59] <nixternal> ahhh ya
[05:59] <nixternal> k
[06:00] <nixternal> i wanted to play with some simple packaging here for some more exercises..
[06:01] <nixternal> one more look and you might have it ;0
[06:01] <Hobbsee> nixternal: go for it - there's plenty of packages to do - just  make sure you're running an up to date edgy pbuilder.
[06:01] <abattoir> would karamba be superkaramba or just plain old karamba?
[06:01] <nixternal> pbuilder -update
[06:01] <nixternal> right?
[06:01] <Hobbsee> hobbsee@voyager:~$ uname -a
[06:01] <Hobbsee> Linux voyager 2.6.15-26-686 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jul 7 19:48:22 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux
[06:02] <Hobbsee> no -
[06:02] <nixternal> i already have an edgy pbuilder done
[06:02] <nixternal> doh
[06:02] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: thought you said you were on amd64?
[06:02] <Hobbsee> makes it easier if you're on i386 though
[06:03] <imbrandon> nah voyager is i386
[06:03] <imbrandon> birdofprey ( the nfs server ) is amd64
[06:03] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: oh nice!  and that's the good building machine?
[06:03] <Hobbsee> ahhhh..
[06:03] <imbrandon> yea your on the good building machine and its i386
[06:03] <Hobbsee> excellent
[06:04] <nixternal> Hobbsee: i didn't even see the - up there...so i was like wth is no -
[06:04] <Hobbsee> hhe
[06:06] <DaSkreech> !karamba
[06:06] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[06:07] <nixternal> waste of cpu
[06:08] <Hobbsee> does anything kde based give you graphical ssh?
[06:09] <chavo> Hobbsee, konsole :)
[06:09] <Hobbsee> chavo: note "graphical" :P
[06:09] <Hobbsee> that's hwat i had been using
[06:09] <nixternal> kssh
[06:09] <chavo> you can use fish://username@server in konqueror
[06:09] <nixternal> oh ya, forgot about that
[06:09] <DaSkreech> Isn't that waste of CPU basically going to be built into KDE4?
[06:10] <nixternal> there is so much stuff in konvo
[06:10] <Hobbsee> ah, is it fish?  i only tried ssh/
[06:10] <nixternal> is that what they are going to use for widgets?
[06:10] <chavo> yeah fish rocks, you can put shortcuts in the open/save dialog and use it anywhere
[06:10] <Hobbsee> excellent :)
[06:13] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i do, but copying specific files graphically is easier
[06:13] <nixternal> screen rox
[06:13] <DaSkreech> Ohhh screen rocks!
[06:14] <nixternal> it is as easy as
[06:14] <nixternal> screen
[06:14] <nixternal> screen -r
[06:14] <nixternal> heh, every time i did that, little men in black suits show up ;)
[06:21] <Hobbsee> shit.
[06:21] <Hobbsee> that wasnt quite the plan :P
[06:22] <Hobbsee> okay, tha'ts killed off the graphical ssh session.
[06:25] <Hobbsee> and now we're back to running at normal speed.
[06:26] <Hobbsee> good.
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Hi Hobbsee
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Night
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Going to try and get better
[06:26] <Hobbsee> night DaSkreech 
[06:26] <abattoir> DaSkreech: your partition is free of errors? :)
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Oh No still screwed
[06:27] <abattoir> oh :(
[06:27] <DaSkreech> It works :)
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Still worrying though
[07:24] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:24] <Hobbsee> rob: it's being annoying, and i've forgotten how i got it to work before.
[07:24] <rob> hehe I know the pain :(
[07:43] <Hobbsee> nixternal: if you want to do some of those merges, you're welcome - just tell me where you're starting from
[07:43] <Hobbsee> although i may delay till i have upload privs.
[07:43] <Hobbsee> depends how long it takes me to get this delightful thing working.
[07:44] <Hobbsee> nixternal: removing a build dep/dep?  should be very simple :)
[07:44] <Hobbsee> nixternal: easier than the dh_iconcache stuff, although i guess you never did that
[07:45] <nixternal> messed with it briefly is all i can say with the iconcache
[07:45] <Hobbsee> speaking of which, did someone ever do kvpnc?
[07:47] <nixternal> Hobbsee: which merges were you referring to??? so i can give them a quick lookover
[07:47] <Hobbsee> nixternal: not merging, gamin rebuild stuff.
[07:47] <nixternal> ahhh
[07:47] <nixternal> hmm..the first sentence says "After Knot 1"
[07:48] <nixternal> which is like now isn't it
[07:48] <Hobbsee> nixternal: that's true.  i'm not sure when it is
[07:48] <nixternal> this week
[07:48] <nixternal> i thought the 14th for some reason
[07:48] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i would assume on monday/tues/wed or so
[07:48] <Hobbsee> yeah, it was supposed to be this week
[08:08] <Hobbsee> i think we might just have success...
[08:08] <Hobbsee> sorta
[08:19] <Hobbsee> you.  are.  kidding.
[08:19] <Hobbsee> this better not be the problem.
[08:23] <Hobbsee> no,it isnt.  grr.
[08:24] <nixternal> lol
[08:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal: unfortunately, i cant defenstrate this machine.
[08:24] <nixternal> Hobbsee: it is time to take a break when you start using IRC to express your feeling, your anger, or your passion ;)
[08:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hah.
[08:25] <nixternal> although, i detected sarcasm from crimsun tonight on irc..
[08:25] <nixternal> maybe i need a break
[08:26] <nixternal> i actually have the feeling that i am not doing enough to help out, i feel like i have a lot of free time to spare
[08:26] <nixternal> maybe i am just a big looser
[08:26] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i get that too :P
[08:26] <Hobbsee> no you're nto
[08:26] <nixternal> whew
[08:26] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you're new at this.  
[08:26] <nixternal> new..i did this with SuSe for a good 5 years b4 i about jumped from a bridge ;)
[08:27] <nixternal> but that was back when i was into programming...that was also the time i totally switched fields in IT
[08:28] <Hobbsee> nixternal: give that gamin stuff a go - no one around to upload it (yet), but
[08:29] <nixternal> i will at least grab a package and source and take a look
[08:36] <Hobbsee> nixternal: make sure you grab it from the right distro - iv'e screwed that before :P
[08:36] <nixternal> apt-get source kflickr
[08:36] <nixternal> that is how i am grabbing it from us
[08:36] <nixternal> then i am getting the 0.6 from sourceforge
[08:37] <nixternal> that came out last week
[08:44] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i got it!
[08:44] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yeah, but which distro are you running?  dapper?
[08:45] <Hobbsee> you need the edgy sources to build for edgy (mutter mutter grumble grumble at trying to patch 0.12 with a 0.11 patch!)
[08:45] <nixternal> ya Hobbsee
[08:45] <nixternal> running dapper
[08:45] <nixternal> hrmm...
[08:46] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you need to either login to a edgy pbuilder, or grab the source from packages.ubuntu.com - again, make sure it's edgy, then run dpkg-source -x foo.dsc
[08:46] <nixternal> got it
[08:47] <nixternal> ahhh haaaa
[08:47] <Hobbsee> :D
[08:47] <nixternal> i was wondering where all the libgamin was ;)
[08:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:47] <Hobbsee> okay, it's kopete building time!
[08:49] <nixternal> hrmm
[08:50] <Hobbsee> nixternal: wha't sup?
[08:50] <nixternal> i get a 'File to Patch:' entry after running        cd kflickr-0.5/ && uupdate ../kflickr-0.6.tar.gz
[08:50] <nixternal> never seen this one b4
[08:50] <Hobbsee> bleck, uupdate hey?
[08:51] <nixternal> following crims
[08:51] <Hobbsee> you need to check for current patches, and see if they still apply first
[08:51] <Hobbsee> yeah yeah.
[08:51] <Hobbsee> it fubar'd my package once.
[08:51] <Hobbsee> but it was a nice tool :)
[08:51] <nixternal> current patches from upstream?
[08:51] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yeah, see if ubuntu added anything
[08:51] <Hobbsee> use dch to view the changelog
[08:52] <nixternal> nope
[08:52] <nixternal> everything is 0.5
[08:52] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[08:53] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch 
[08:53] <ajmitch> hello
[08:53] <Hobbsee> okay, this is working, i'm happy now.
[08:54] <nixternal> Hobbsee: fill me in on the manual if it is quick and easy?
[08:55] <Hobbsee> nixternal: have a look at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18057
[08:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell gave me excellent directions :)
[08:56] <Hobbsee> nixternal: s/apt-get source/ directions from above w.r.t packages.ubuntu.com and dpkg-source -x
[08:56] <nixternal> k
[08:58] <Hobbsee> aye, i think i'm in trouble now.
[08:59] <nixternal> lol
[09:00] <nixternal> Hobbsee: for kflickr there is already a debian directory
[09:00] <nixternal> should that get wiped out, and cp over the old...or keep this one
[09:01] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ouch?
[09:01] <nixternal> hehe
[09:01] <nixternal> hehe
[09:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal: check the section on common mistakes
[09:02] <nixternal> does it have my picture next to it?
[09:02] <nixternal> ;)
[09:02] <Hobbsee> Do not repackage it. You can ask the author(s) to delete the debian/ dir and provide a diff.gz instead. This makes it easier to review their work, and it separates packaging from program source.
[09:02] <Hobbsee> hah - no, we all make them
[09:03] <Hobbsee> it's taken  me a few hours to get a simple pbuilder working, cos i didnt make the configuration file quite correct.
[09:03] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yeah, copy ubuntu's debian dir over.  and whinge at the people who make kflickr
[09:04] <nixternal> roger that
[09:06] <Hobbsee> man, kopete builds much quicker on imbrandon's machine!
[09:06] <nixternal> hehe
[09:06] <nixternal> use and abuse it
[09:06] <Hobbsee> hah
[09:07] <nixternal> i fight with everythign..so im used to that
[09:07] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:08] <nixternal> lol
[09:08] <Hobbsee> it's clearly not a good idea to comment out the line about result
[09:08] <nixternal> good when it just happens to work like that
[09:09] <nixternal> hrmm
[09:09] <nixternal> debsign doesn't work for me
[09:10] <Hobbsee> nixternal: do you have a key?
[09:10] <nixternal> yes ma'am
[09:10] <Hobbsee> hwo are you using the debsign?
[09:10] <nixternal> well..pbuilder -S
[09:10] <nixternal> and i get the debsign error
[09:11] <nixternal> lol
[09:11] <Hobbsee> where are you getting pbuilder -S from?
[09:11] <nixternal> packaging guide
[09:11] <nixternal> im on another tangent there
[09:12] <Hobbsee> you can just debsign it afterwards, it doesnt matter
[09:12] <nixternal> ahh..ok
[09:12] <nixternal> what is that dch -i bit
[09:12] <Hobbsee> dch -i = increment changelog
[09:13] <Hobbsee> do "dch", then exit, then "dch -i" - fairly easy to see
[09:13] <nixternal> ya..all i had to do was run it to see ;)
[09:13] <Hobbsee> and say "New upstream version" and update the version number appropriately
[09:14] <nixternal> done with all that..man that is whicked easy
[09:14] <nixternal> time to build
[09:15] <nixternal> should i build it the way you posted a few lines back?
[09:15] <nixternal> dpkg-buildpackage?
[09:15] <Hobbsee> nixternal: use dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot -k98B2D4F0 <-- but with your key, instead of mine
[09:16] <nixternal> issue that in         kflickr-0.6/
[09:16] <nixternal> cd ../ from teh debian dir
[09:16] <pygi> Riddell, poke ^_^
[09:17] <Hobbsee> pygi: too early
[09:17] <Hobbsee> pygi: hmm...maybe not.  most likely too early
[09:17] <pygi> Hobbsee, oki, thanks ^_^ Do you know if we have pykde4?
[09:17] <Hobbsee> pygi: in edgy?  no, but p.u.c should
[09:18] <pygi> Hobbsee, please translate the "p" part to me ^_^
[09:18] <Hobbsee> pygi: ah, sorry.  packages.ubuntu.com
[09:18] <abattoir> pygi: good morning :)
[09:18] <Hobbsee> like p.d.o - packages.debian.org
[09:18] <Hobbsee> planet.ubuntu.com is usually referred to as planet
[09:19] <pygi> Hobbsee, well, I haven't found it there, but oh well ^_^
[09:19] <pygi> morning abattoir, how are you?
[09:19] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:19] <nixternal> wo0t Hobbsee it completed
[09:19] <nixternal> next step please ;)
[09:19] <abattoir> !info pykdeextensions
[09:19] <ubotu> pykdeextensions: Python packages to support KDE applications (scripts). In repository main, is optional. Version 0.4.0-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 110 kB, installed size 792 kB
[09:20] <Hobbsee> nixternal: got somewhere to upload?
[09:20] <pygi> abattoir, I saw that already !!!
[09:20] <nixternal> Hobbsee: buntudot
[09:20] <abattoir> pygi: sleepy, bye, btw remember, ^^^ is not pykde4 ;)
[09:20] <pygi> abattoir, you havent slept?
[09:20] <pygi> beh
[09:20] <abattoir> no :(
[09:20] <pygi> night night
[09:20] <Hobbsee> nixternal: nice, upload it, and i'll take alook
[09:20] <abattoir> its worse than my computer's uptime :(
[09:21] <nixternal> upload =>   .dsc, source.changes, ubuntu1.tar.gz, orig.tar.gz, and tar.gz?
[09:21] <Hobbsee> nixternal: is there a .diff.gz?
[09:21] <nixternal> no
[09:21] <nixternal> hrrmm
[09:22] <Hobbsee> nixternal: what's the name of the .orig.tar.gz?
[09:22] <nixternal> kflickr-0.6.orig.tar.gz
[09:22] <nixternal> that is the one i created prior
[09:22] <Hobbsee> nixternal: change the - to a _ and run teh dpkg-buildpackage again.
[09:23] <nixternal> k
[09:23] <nixternal> should i rm anything prior?
[09:23] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ah, shouldnt need to
[09:23] <nixternal> i should have freakin' known that too
[09:23] <nixternal> im an idiot there ;)
[09:23] <Hobbsee> nixternal: not really.  i got caught with that a fair few times
[09:23] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you're not an idiot at all.
[09:23] <nixternal> i do it every time though ;)
[09:23] <nixternal> lol
[09:24] <nixternal> where is that big pointy stick?
[09:25] <nixternal> booyah
[09:25] <nixternal> there is the diff ;)
[09:25] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[09:25] <Hobbsee> okay, upload the .orig.tar.gz, the .diff.gz, and the .dsc
[09:25] <nixternal> so now..copy up the .diff, .dsc, and the .orig.tar.gz
[09:25] <Hobbsee> and give me the link to them
[09:25] <Hobbsee> upe
[09:25] <nixternal> yay
[09:25] <Hobbsee> *yep
[09:25] <nixternal> roger that
[09:28] <nixternal> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/packages/kflickr-0.6/
[09:28] <nixternal> there you go
[09:28] <nixternal> thanks Hobbsee for the help
[09:28] <Hobbsee> nixternal: :)
[09:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: were the ubuntu changes anything important?
[09:31] <nixternal> ubuntu changes were all 0.5 history..the 0.6 just came out and there were a few changes yes
[09:32] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you only modified stuff in the debian/ dir?
[09:32] <nixternal> yes
[09:32] <Hobbsee> nixternal: nixternal@CaboWabo isnt a proper email address
[09:32] <nixternal> i am sure i did something wrong..as that seemed to easy
[09:32] <nixternal> hrmm
[09:33] <nixternal> i dont' know why it did that
[09:33] <nixternal> dch -i might have taken my localhost info??
[09:33] <Hobbsee> nixternal: run dch, and add it again
[09:33] <Hobbsee> yeah, it does
[09:33] <Hobbsee> unless you set what email to use
[09:33] <nixternal> ahh..ok
[09:35] <nixternal> is that even remotely correct though Hobbsee beside the email issue?
[09:35] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i'm still looking thru it, and i've yet to build it, but it looks good
[09:36] <nixternal> should i rebuild it after changing the email and post it up?
[09:36] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yeah, just the dpkg-buildpackage command again
[09:36] <Hobbsee> you dont need to reupload the .orig.tar.gz, just the other
[09:37] <nixternal> probably was .5 until this week
[09:37] <nixternal> unless they were grabbing cvs
[09:38] <Hobbsee> ah, it was in debian, nice
[09:38] <Hobbsee> er, wasnt
[09:39] <nixternal> k Hobbsee done
[09:39] <Hobbsee> nixternal: cool :)
[09:39] <nixternal> that way is to easy
[09:39] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hehe :)
[09:39] <nixternal> it seems like i did something wrong ;)
[09:39] <Hobbsee> nixternal: doesnt look like it to me
[09:39] <nixternal> your way needs to be int he packaging guide as long as i did it correct
[09:39] <Hobbsee> yeah, i should make you write it :P
[09:40] <nixternal> gahah
[09:40] <Hobbsee> explain what each step does, etc
[09:40] <nixternal> i could make a quick .diff for laserjock
[09:40] <Hobbsee> and of course, if it breaks, then you have to fix it, but...
[09:40] <Hobbsee> usually just fixing the control file or whatever
[09:40] <nixternal> ya
[09:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:40] <nixternal> im interested in seeing if that worked
[09:41] <Hobbsee> nixternal: did you test build and install it?
[09:41] <nixternal> nope, cuz it is edgy
[09:41] <nixternal> should i have run lintian on it?
[09:42] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yeah, always useful. 
[09:42] <Hobbsee> nixternal: tells you if you've screwed anything major up
[09:43] <nixternal> 2 W's and 1 E
[09:43] <nixternal> the rest N
[09:43] <Hobbsee> what are they?
[09:43] <nixternal> E = kflickr source: debian-files-list-in-source
[09:43] <Hobbsee> yeah i wondered what that was....
[09:44] <nixternal> W = kflickr source: changelog-should-mention-nmu
[09:44] <Hobbsee> yeah, ignore that.  that's debian specific
[09:44] <nixternal> W = kflickr source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 0.6-0ubuntu1
[09:44] <Hobbsee> shoulda given you a headache about unknown distribution edgy, too
[09:44] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yeah, again, debian specific
[09:44] <nixternal> nope
[09:44] <nixternal> nothign about edgy at all
[09:45] <Hobbsee> nixternal: what release does it say in the changelog?
[09:45] <nixternal> 0.6-0ubuntu1
[09:46] <Hobbsee> nixternal: and what distrobution?
[09:46] <nixternal> edgy
[09:47] <Hobbsee> hmmm, interesting
[09:48] <nixternal> is that a good or bad interesting?
[09:48] <Hobbsee> it's slow
[09:48] <Hobbsee> but it's still very cool :)
[09:49] <nixternal> if that works, then i want a dapper upgrade to be made ;)
[09:49] <nixternal> cuz i use kflickr all the time
[09:49] <nixternal> thanks to Riddell
[09:49] <Hobbsee> nixternal: then you have to request a backport
[09:49] <Hobbsee> nixternal: but you'll still need an uploader for it
[09:49] <nixternal> yup
[09:51] <nixternal> it isn't possible to build that on a dapper setup is it?
[09:51] <Hobbsee> ah, it should be.  it'll need to be for a backport
[09:51] <Hobbsee> nixternal: run it thru a dapper pbuilder, then try to install it, to see.
[09:51] <nixternal> i only have an edgy pbuilder
[09:52] <Hobbsee> nixternal: it's not that painful to make 2, unless you scrwe up the config files like i did earlier
[09:52] <nixternal> lol
[09:53] <nixternal> i could always place the dapper pbuilder on this system
[09:53] <nixternal> build from 2 different locals
[09:53] <Hobbsee> nixternal: in the documentation, there's a section on multiple pbuilders.  they're not that evil.
[09:53] <nixternal> although both on 1 would be ideal...how would you go about switching between the builds though?
[09:53] <nixternal> i seen the -base.tgz stuff
[09:53] <Hobbsee> have a couple of scripts.
[09:54] <nixternal> i think i have them on this machine as a matter of fact
[09:54] <nixternal> the pbuilderrc
[09:54] <Hobbsee> nixternal: do edgy stuff first, then look at dapper's :P
[09:54] <nixternal> i have an edgy and dapper one that you gave me a while back
[09:54] <Hobbsee> dont get too complicated
[09:54] <Hobbsee> what, pbuilder-edgy, or edgybuild?
[09:54] <nixternal> pbuilder-edgy
[09:55] <Hobbsee> ah right
[09:55] <Hobbsee> you probably dont want my script of that
[09:55] <Hobbsee> you probably want the one on !pbuilder
[09:55] <nixternal> !pbuilder
[09:55] <nixternal> that one
[09:55] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[10:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal: think i should build the kde 3.5.3 debs with kscreensaver fix?
[10:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal: and http://www.buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/ for kopete debs
[10:03] <nixternal> go for it
[10:03] <nixternal> something tells me the kde 3.5.3 will take a bit
[10:03] <nixternal> kopetes are up to date?
[10:03] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's what i built on imbrandon's machine, after fixing the pbuilders
[10:04] <nixternal> cool
[10:05] <nixternal> hey, i should set my 'default_host_main = revu' for my dput.cf file correct?
[10:05] <nixternal> since im not a dev
[10:05] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yeah
[10:05] <nixternal> k
[10:05] <nixternal> k
[10:07] <nixternal> am i ready for a revu upload?
[10:07] <Hobbsee> !search libham edgy
[10:07] <ubotu> Found nothing
[10:07] <Hobbsee> stupid libham
[10:07] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yep
[10:07] <nixternal> haha
[10:08] <nixternal> ty Hobbsee
[10:08] <nixternal> here we go
[10:08] <Hobbsee> !search ham edgy
[10:08] <ubotu> Found nothing
[10:08] <Hobbsee> did you sign it first?
[10:08] <Hobbsee> debsign -kyourkeyidhere *.changes
[10:08] <nixternal> i will now
[10:08] <nixternal> ;)
[10:08] <Hobbsee> revu rejects unsigned uploads, iirc
[10:09] <nixternal> i added the 'allow_unsigned_uploads = 0' to the config..so it would have told me if i didn't
[10:09] <Hobbsee> nixternal: nice
[10:10] <nixternal> it was already signed
[10:10] <Hobbsee> but my revubuild auto debsigns, so i dont usually manually remember to, unless i'm merging
[10:10] <Hobbsee> nice
[10:10] <Hobbsee> okay
[10:10] <Hobbsee> dput revu *.changes then
[10:10] <nixternal> fromt he dpkg-buildpackage
[10:10] <Hobbsee> yep, cool
[10:11] <nixternal> Successfully uploaded packages
[10:11] <nixternal> Not running dinstall.
[10:11] <nixternal> guess that means i did my first one
[10:11] <Hobbsee> yep :)
[10:12] <Hobbsee> revu updates every 5 mins, starting on the hour,i think
[10:12] <nixternal> you own Hobbsee, i appreciate the patience
[10:12] <nixternal> imbrandon always throws things at me ;)
[10:12] <nixternal> haha
[10:13] <Hobbsee> nixternal: :)
[10:13] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:14] <nixternal> hehe
[10:14] <nixternal> so, on the kubuntu membership stuff, what do you suggest i do?  i have yet to hear anything back on ubuntu membership, but i am fairly confident mako isn't going to deny it
[10:16] <Hobbsee> nixternal: well, if mako approves you, then, you're fine
[10:16] <Hobbsee> otherwise, we can do it
[10:16] <Hobbsee> i think
[10:16] <Hobbsee> i expect
[10:16] <nixternal> hehe
[10:17] <Hobbsee> just chop down your intro - the old rules were "give us your three liner" - which was three paragraphs, pretty much.  not the entire wiki page!
[10:17] <Hobbsee> :P
[10:17] <nixternal> 2 days until kubuntu, something tells me i won't hear anything by then
[10:17] <nixternal> although, i still have my introduction saved ;)
[10:19] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you post that long an intro again, and i'll -1 you :P
[10:19] <nixternal> rofl
[10:19] <nixternal> mine wasn't long at all
[10:19] <nixternal> joey stanford's was long
[10:19] <nixternal> him and the other guys keep messaging me, have you heard anything yet?
[10:19] <Hobbsee> not at all
[10:19] <nixternal> lol...so i emailed mako on behalf of us all yesterday
[10:19] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:19] <Hobbsee> did you get a response?
[10:20] <nixternal> mako is way to busy to get a 1 day response
[10:20] <nixternal> im guessing a good week plus
[10:20] <nixternal> the big thing i want is the Chicago Team to be official
[10:21] <nixternal> i will be happy with that
[10:22] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:22] <Hobbsee> true - emailing devs is often risky
[10:22] <nixternal> and usually impossible
[10:23] <Hobbsee> no, not impossible.  just that they dont read all mail
[10:23] <nixternal> im not going through the mailing list...cuz i do the same..unless it is related to my teams
[10:23] <Hobbsee> it's useful for people who dont seem to like writing bugs on malone
[10:24] <nixternal> i need to work on more bug triage too
[10:24] <nixternal> i have been slacking in the bug department
[10:24] <Hobbsee> oh yay!  a sync!
[10:24] <nixternal> they took pretty much all the privs away so not everyone can wishlist a bug and what not
[10:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i wouldnt bother much with bugs, not while we're still merging everything
[10:24] <Hobbsee> nixternal: true
[10:24] <nixternal> now all i can do is respond like yup..looks good ;)
[10:24] <Hobbsee> you can still move
[10:25] <Hobbsee> and a lot of them are filed wrongly
[10:25] <Hobbsee> oh, and mark as dupes, and test and confirm
[10:27] <nixternal> hehe
[10:27] <Hobbsee> [18:27]  <Hobbsee> hi all.  i know we've changed the level of people who can set the status for a bug, but can we have a checkbox of "this is a wishlist", just like for security, and that changes the importance of the bug?  
[10:27] <nixternal> good deal
[10:27] <nixternal> if not, have them add us the ubuntu-qa team ;)
[10:27] <seaLne> yeah thats about the only importance change i ever made
[10:28] <seaLne> yeah but not many people will get into ubuntu-qa
[10:29] <Hobbsee> true
[10:29] <nixternal> very true
[10:29] <nixternal> until you get known
[10:29] <seaLne> even then i think it is intended to be very small
[10:30] <Hobbsee> also true
[10:30] <Hobbsee> like i say - i end up setting that flag very very rarely
[10:30] <nixternal> which is a problem if you ask me..then you get people complaining people are moving to slow and what not
[10:30] <Hobbsee> but i just requested that we get a "this is a wishlist" box on #launchpad, which would make sense.
[10:30] <nixternal> it would make a lot of sense
[10:32] <Hobbsee> so hopefully it'll happen
[10:34] <seaLne> bug submitters used to set it aswell
[10:35] <Hobbsee> seaLne: yeah, but they always used to mess with the priorities of it.
[10:35] <Hobbsee> seaLne: which was a darned nuisance
[10:36] <nixternal> although truthfully...i think the only thing you should be able to do is create a bug unless you are on the bug team or the ubuntu-qa, as to many people still change the priority or move it upstream, or they subscribe the bug to themselves and get mad when no one fixes it
[10:37] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:37] <Hobbsee> yeah, true
[10:38] <nixternal> if that revu goes good, tomorrow i am going to do a 'dapper' version of that
[10:39] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you know the policy on backporting?
[10:39] <nixternal> not a 100% no
[10:39] <Hobbsee> !backports
[10:39] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
[10:39] <nixternal> i know i have requested them in the past for breezy
[10:46] <nixternal> ok..bed time
[10:46] <nixternal> g'nite all...thanks again Hobbsee
[10:47] <Hobbsee> night nixternal 
[11:13] <Hobbsee> seaLne: your'e right, 9 people, + all motus and core devs.  not that many
[11:29] <Riddell> pygi_: hi
[11:29] <pygi_> hi Riddell 
[11:29] <pygi_> just wanted to ask if we have pykde4 ^_^
[11:29] <pygi_> but I already got an answe
[11:30] <pygi_> answer*
[11:30] <Riddell> pygi_: pykde4 would require kde 4
[11:30] <Riddell> but do go with pyqt 4
[11:30] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell!
[11:30] <Riddell> morning Hobbsee 
[11:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nixternal did a package today, did you want to review and upload it?
[11:31] <Riddell> ok
[11:31] <Riddell> URL?
[11:33] <Hobbsee> Riddell: dont know what happened to them w.r.t launchpad, but http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/packages/kflickr-0.6/ is where they are
[11:38] <Hobbsee> *do
[11:38] <Hobbsee> hi allee 
[11:38] <Riddell> "RichJohnson <nixternal@gmail.com>" do I detect someone overusing wikification?
[11:39] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i think he may have gone to bed..
[11:40] <Hobbsee> also, shouldnt that be a real name there?
[11:40] <Riddell> that's what I was pointing to
[11:40] <Hobbsee> ah
[11:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: tell me what i should do tonight :P
[11:42] <omeow> Fix ark ;)
[11:43] <Hobbsee> omeow: ho hum.  how dull.
[11:44] <Riddell> if you make it on my machines in fresh chroots on all three architectures I'd probably upload it if I ever get access to kubuntu.org again
[11:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you've lost access?
[11:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i got ssh access and set up pbuilder on imbrandon's machine this afternoon :D
[11:46] <Hobbsee> does that count?
[11:51] <Riddell> Hobbsee: does he have all three architectures?
[11:52] <Riddell> nixternal: kflickr uploaded, thanks
[11:52] <imbrandon> Riddell, i have all three but i dident give her access to them
[11:52] <imbrandon> actualy my ppc is dead atm
[11:52] <imbrandon> nvm
[11:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, but i've only got access to one
[11:53] <imbrandon> ( not dead just no os on it )
[11:53] <Hobbsee> heh
[11:54] <imbrandon> Hobbsee / Riddell if you want ( and riddell has time to setup me accounts ) i'll upload what you changed and build it on his machines, since its slow for you
[11:54] <Hobbsee> yeah, that'd work
[11:55] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:58] <Riddell> imbrandon: can do
[12:00] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, your bulding in my machine right ? just tell me the dir its in when you have it done
[12:00] <imbrandon> brb gonna get some milk
[12:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: not right this second, but yeah.  the final debs will be in /var/cache/pbuilder/dapper/result, until i move them somewhere, and the debdiff will likely be in ~
[12:04] <imbrandon> Riddell, subscribes to all of them i think ;)
[12:04] <Riddell> I do yes
[12:04] <Hobbsee> ah
[12:05] <imbrandon> umm and i mean the *.dsc / *.diff.gz / and orig.tar.gz but i'm sure its in your ~/deve right ? ( when ready obviously not right this minute )
[12:05] <imbrandon> s/deve/devel
[12:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah.  finals of them are also in result, too, you know
[12:07] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:07] <imbrandon> oh thats right you put me some new script / commnda on there
[12:08] <imbrandon> s/macke/makes
[12:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, all in /usr/local/bin - go ahead and use them
[12:08] <Hobbsee> people gave them to me when i started packaging mostly anyway :)
[12:08] <imbrandon> heh
[12:11] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it's http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-353/pool-dapper/kdebase/kdebase_3.5.3-0ubuntu0.2.dsc etc that i want, isnt it?
[12:13] <Riddell> yes
[12:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: cool :)
[12:16] <Riddell> a.u.c?
[12:16] <imbrandon> art.u.c
[12:16] <Riddell> you run that?
[12:17] <imbrandon> now
[12:17] <imbrandon> JUST now ;)
[12:17] <Riddell> doesn't it use thos's stuff?
[12:17] <imbrandon> mark and mathew nzum ( sp? )  just handed it off to me
[12:18] <imbrandon> dunno havent looked at it yet
[12:18] <imbrandon> its blank atm
[12:18] <imbrandon> somone took the old down
[12:18] <imbrandon> but i'm gonna lookup the archive
[12:20] <Riddell> I'm pretty sure it did use thos' setup from art.gnome.org
[12:20] <Riddell> which always seems to me to require too much manual work compared to kde-look.org
[12:20] <toma> moguh
[12:21] <Riddell> morning toma 
[12:21] <imbrandon> ahh yea probably, thus why i'm re hacking it to make it more automated
[12:21] <imbrandon> and add LP auth etc
[12:21] <imbrandon> auto thumnails etc
[12:21] <Hobbsee> hi toma 
[12:21] <imbrandon> heya toma
[12:22] <Hobbsee> dinner time - and dr who!
[12:22] <imbrandon> mark mentioned something about the gnome-look.org codebase ( all the *-look.org codebases arent the same ? )
[12:22] <imbrandon> speaking of i watched chrismas invasion , it was rockin Riddell thanks ;)
[12:23] <Riddell> it definately doesn't use the *-look.org codebase
[12:24] <imbrandon> err art.gome.org ( mis read ) yea mark was talkin g about *-look.org but more simple and (k)ubuntu"ized"
[12:27] <toma> kmail already crashed twice on me, just reading mail. gosh
[12:27] <imbrandon> ;(
[12:28] <imbrandon> anyone on i386 with kernel 2.6.15-26-686 on dapper wanna test the installability of a package from universe before i file a bug
[12:29] <imbrandon> s/universe/multiverse
[12:30] <toma> Riddell: i'll not try to bring kde-rosetta closer together. I don't see more then one or two translators which would be interested.
[12:31] <toma> Riddell: i'm a bit dissapointed in them
[12:31] <Riddell> yeah, fair enough
[12:31] <Riddell> thanks for trying so far
[12:31] <toma> ok
[12:32] <mornfall> toma: disappointed in whom?
[12:33] <toma> mornfall: a couple of kde translators
[12:33] <imbrandon> moins mornfall
[12:33] <mornfall> toma: they don't like rosetta?
[12:33] <mornfall> hi imbrandon 
[12:34] <toma> mornfall: no, not at all. Look at the list archives of kde-i18n-doc for detaills, but they are almost agressive against it.
[12:34] <toma> mornfall: very protective of their own shop in any case.
[12:34] <mornfall> i am not surprized :)
[12:34] <mornfall> i know at least one person who uses kde specifically because of kbabel
[12:35] <toma> mornfall: well, i'm not surprised about that fact, i am surprised that they do not want to try to fix rosetta's issues and be happy
[12:36] <mornfall> isn't rosetta like closed-source? how they can fix rosett's issues?
[12:37] <mornfall> +a
[12:38] <Riddell> by making suggestions to the rosetta kdevelopers
[12:38] <Riddell> s/k//
[12:38] <toma> mornfall: and it is also about the content... the way of filling it and getting it
[12:42] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you could start testing stuff for backports if you're looking for something to do
[12:43] <omeow> testing?
[12:44] <omeow> How is that done? Can I just install new packages? Or do I have to compile them from source?
[12:44] <Riddell> compile them from edgy source on dapper and see if they work
[12:44] <omeow> Hm, is there a potential to get a screwed up system? And is there a list of stuff that needs to be tested?
[12:45] <mornfall> makes me wonder where ubuntu is getting this everybody needs to love us attitude
[12:49] <Riddell> mornfall: I'd rather people didn't hate us
[12:49] <Riddell> omeow: none if you do it in a pbuilder
[12:50] <omeow> Riddell, I'll have to look up what exactly pbuilder is. Currently doing some tests in Opera's new weekly build. 
[12:50] <imbrandon> omeow, a chroot that cleans itself each run
[12:51] <imbrandon> !pbuilder
[12:51] <ubotu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[12:51] <mornfall> Riddell: all the "you should like us more" whining doesn't help with that :p -- like aaron says, people are emotional beings... and as i say, there is no reason in emotion
[12:51] <mornfall> Riddell: so there is no point reasoning with someone that they should like ubuntu more, it only makes them unhappy
[12:51] <omeow> Thanks imbrandon. :)
[12:53] <toma> mornfall: that is a pretty negative look at the world
[12:54] <mornfall> toma: not really -- just trying to convince people to change their emotions by reasoning is IMO pointless
[12:55] <mornfall> just don't give them reasons to hate you and they probably won't
[12:56] <toma> mornfall: i dont agree. by explaining something and trying to let people understand the other ones position, could lead to more insight and understanding..
[12:56] <omeow> ok, pbuilder installed, where's the list of stuff to be tested?
[12:56] <mornfall> toma: sure, but that doesn't include "you hate us and you shouldn't" type of whining
[12:57] <toma> right
[12:59] <Riddell> omeow: kaffeine, kopete, dbus
[01:00] <omeow> And I should just build those from source?
[01:01] <Riddell> yes
[01:01] <omeow> Ok, i'll give kaffeine a try.
[01:01] <Riddell> from edgy source, on dapper
[01:01] <imbrandon> Riddell, is the a chance python-* will be backported ?
[01:02] <mornfall> ha, i rule
[01:02] <mornfall> (patch to vncviewer works)
[01:02] <mornfall> no matter
[01:02] <Riddell> imbrandon: whatever for?
[01:02] <imbrandon> nice mornfall
[01:02] <toma> mornfall: issue 47181 was reaised btw
[01:02] <toma> mornfall: bug 47181 was reaised btw
[01:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 47181 in ept "broken localisation support" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/47181
[01:02] <imbrandon> Riddell, mostly the pykde4 stuff is what i'm interested in
[01:03] <Riddell> imbrandon: pykde4 doesn't exist yet, what with kde 4 not existing and aa
[01:03] <mornfall> toma: the general attitude is one of the reasons that pushed me away from (k)ubuntu again, sort of
[01:04] <mornfall> toma: see, adept localisation is currently half-pointless anyway, considering how package descriptions are all in english anyway
[01:05] <toma> mornfall: most of my mails are in english, but i still like a dutch kmail
[01:05] <mornfall> toma: you are not the primary target group of localisation
[01:06] <imbrandon> mornfall, thats not to say the package desc wont be localize SOMEDAY though
[01:06] <mornfall> imbrandon: and that's not to say that adept won't be able to be properly localised, hmm?
[01:07] <mornfall> i am just saying that *right now* it doesn't work and i won't go and fix it for old versions
[01:07] <mornfall> it's actually trivial to
[01:07] <mornfall> and anyone could fix it
[01:07] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:07] <mornfall> but, well, they would have to think :)
[01:08] <mornfall> i don't need nor use localisation, so maybe someone who wants it could fix the (slight) problem
[01:09] <mornfall> i already went to the length of making sure all user-visible strings are i18n-wrapped
[01:10] <omeow> Riddell, /etc/pbuilder/apt.config/ does not exist, yet I'm expected to rename all instances of dapper from that directory to edgy. I did find one occurence of dapper in /etc/pbuilderrc and changed that.
[01:10] <toma> mornfall: i really find it insulting when people over and over tell me that i'm not a target group. It is a lame argument.
[01:11] <imbrandon> omeow, we want to know if they work in dapper not edgy ;)
[01:11] <omeow> Oh darn, I thought I had to get the edgy source that way. 
[01:11] <Riddell> omeow: you want a dapper chroot
[01:12] <Riddell> pbuilder
[01:12] <mornfall> toma: you are not, that's it... noone stops you from fixing issues that affect you though
[01:12] <mornfall> toma: it's not a lame argument either
[01:12] <toma> yes it is.
[01:12] <Riddell> omeow: get the edgy source with wget from archive.ubuntu.com
[01:13] <mornfall> toma: so you are suggesting that you know better which problems are more important than the person fixing them?
[01:14] <toma> mornfall: not at all. I'm saying that people telling me that i'm not the target group are wrong.
[01:14] <mornfall> toma: they aren't, they can't be wrong by definition, if they are the authors of the program in question
[01:15] <mornfall> toma: how can you know better what is my target group than i?
[01:15] <toma> ok, so i'm in my third fight for this day. I'll give up and watch some tele for the rest of the day ;-)
[01:15] <mornfall> yeah, maybe it's a reason to think about your stance
[01:15] <toma> yep
[01:20] <Hobbsee> Unpacking bdftopcf (from .../bdftopcf_1.0.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb) ...
[01:20] <Hobbsee> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/bdftopcf_1.0.0-0ubuntu1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[01:20] <Hobbsee>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/bdftopcf', which is also in package xfonts-util
[01:20] <Hobbsee> darn.
[01:23] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's that?
[01:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the error when trying to build...
[01:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh shoot, i'm an idiot.
[01:24] <Hobbsee> its' still valid, but it wasnt what i was intending to do anyway.
[01:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: where's that dunce cap?  that's twice i've built for edgy what should be for dapper in two days.
[01:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i've got kopete debs, and source.  source is on revu, dapper deb is on buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee
[01:30] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i'm gonna be out till 3pm local time , do what ever you need to the system just not my /home/brandon ;) if ya need something leave me a message on jabber ( if i get internet where i'm going i'll have jabber on )
[01:30] <imbrandon> see yall in a few hours
[01:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: yeah, okay, cool.  i'm just building - on the correct architecture this time.  sheesh.
[01:31] <imbrandon> lol
[01:31] <omeow> Ok Riddell. I'm building the latest kaffeine now.
[01:31] <omeow> Should I save any compiler errors I'm getting?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> omeow: yeah, and pastebin them
[01:33] <omeow> Hm, pbuilder doesn't save the log to a file?
[01:33] <Hobbsee> ah, i dont think so
[01:34] <omeow> Ok, so pbuilder just finished, where do the .deb files end up? 
[01:34] <Riddell>  /var/cache/pbuilder/result
[01:34] <omeow> If I ls -l the directory that I downloaded the files to, just the files I downloaded are there.
[01:34] <Hobbsee> yay!  it patched correctly :D
[01:35] <Hobbsee> kdebase is doing ./configure
[01:35] <omeow> (sorry for asking so many questions, I'm obviously new to this.)
[01:35] <Hobbsee> omeow: not a problem, i'll help you more when i get back, if you like
[01:41] <omeow> Ok, seems to build and work so far.
[01:46] <Riddell> omeow: kaffeine?
[01:47] <Riddell> jdong: what's the status of backports?
[01:50] <omeow> Riddell, yeah, it just finished building. 
[01:50] <Riddell> omeow: did you install and run it?
[01:50] <omeow> Yes, I think i'll re-build it though. I didn't get a logfile by default.
[01:51] <Hobbsee> pygi_: because it's part of kontact?
[01:52] <Hobbsee> whee...still compiling
[01:53] <Riddell> omeow: logfile should be in  /var/cache/pbuilder/result as *build
[01:53] <abattoir> pygi_: welcome to KDE land! We hope you enjoy your stay!
[01:53] <abattoir> :P
[01:53] <Hobbsee> hey abattoir 
[01:53] <pygi_> abattoir: lol :)
[01:53] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh yeah, that's right.  i forgot about that :P
[01:53] <abattoir> hello Hobbsee :)
[01:54] <pygi_> abattoir: wish me luck with dist-upgrade, I'll need it :)
[01:54] <omeow> Riddell, yes, I'll use --pkgname-logfile this time.
[01:54] <Hobbsee> pygi_: good luck!  tell me how it goes please :)
[01:54] <abattoir> pygi_: so many people here have done it.
[01:54] <abattoir> (or havent they?) ;)
[01:55] <Hobbsee> i should have chucked this build in a screen or however that works...so i wouldnt have to leave my computer on all night
[01:55] <Hobbsee> abattoir: well, i havent, but i've been busy merging, etc, so have just been using edgy in my pbuilder extensively
[01:56] <pygi_> abattoir: joys of bad Konquerer :)
[01:56] <abattoir> pygi_: Konq rocks, you are just used to firefox :P
[01:57] <pygi_> abattoir: no, I cant open gmail
[01:57] <abattoir> Hobbsee: oh ok :)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> ick.   you take away my firefox, and i will stab you with my long pointy stick.
[01:57] <abattoir> pygi_: change browser ID
[01:57] <Hobbsee> konqi is good for some things though :)
[01:58] <abattoir> pygi_: Tools->Change Browser...->Firefox/Mozilla
[01:58] <abattoir> someone told me dapper shipped w/ default change in ID for google pages...
[01:58] <abattoir> i guess that's not true then.
[01:59] <pygi_> lemme just make Kmail work with gmail
[01:59] <Hobbsee> pygi_: it does actually work - download teh pop3 :P
[02:01] <mornfall> pop3 sort of defeats the purpose of gmail
[02:01] <mornfall> and they don't give imap because that would make it actually useful without the lame web ui :)
[02:02] <Hobbsee> mornfall: well....depends what the purpose of gmail is, doesnt it?
[02:02] <mornfall> what's the point of webmail when you delete all mail from it anyway? :)
[02:02] <mornfall> or of gigabyte quota
[02:02] <pygi_> Hobbsee: just using pop
[02:03] <pygi_> mornfall: you mean 3GB quota? :)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> pygi_: yeah
[02:03] <mornfall> pygi_: whatever-quota-is-in-effect-today
[02:03] <Hobbsee> mornfall: well, that is true, and that's why i also have another imap email account - but it does have a bandwidth limit on it, and it is slower.
[02:04] <pygi_> I won't delete mail
[02:04] <mornfall> ahw, 976M    mail
[02:04] <mornfall> pop3 is hilariously inefficient for large mailboxes
[02:04] <pygi> nice, I forgot to backup my irc pass :P
[02:05] <omeow> Riddell, Hobbsee if you're interested, here's the log for my kaffeine 0.8.1-3ubuntul build; http://pastebin.ca/88864
[02:05] <mornfall> i'm wondering if gmail is increasing quota faster than my mailbox grows :-))
[02:05] <omeow> I think i've done it properly.
[02:05] <mornfall> (let's note that i *do* delete spam)
[02:06] <Hobbsee> omeow: cool, that worked :)
[02:08] <pygi> this download will take a while =P
[02:10] <Riddell> omeow: cool
[02:12] <Riddell> omeow: please report a bug on https://launchpad.net/products/dapper-backports/ asking for a backport of kaffine with the exact version number
[02:12] <Riddell> omeow: I'll confirm and subscribe it to ubuntu-archive
[02:14] <pygi> Riddell: do we have any serious stability bugs in edgy?
[02:15] <Hobbsee> pygi: Riddell likely doesnt know, does he?
[02:15] <Hobbsee> oh hang on, we talk about it here too
[02:16] <Riddell> I do see bug reports
[02:16] <Riddell> I'm not on edgy myself though
[02:16] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: heh, we need you to fix it, not be on it when it breaks :P
[02:19] <Hobbsee> or is that my job now?
[02:20] <Hobbsee> no, no, my job is to break it, i'm sure.
[02:20] <Hobbsee> that's the most fun job.
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: when are we doing those libgamin fixes, and where's kvpnc and anythign else that was listed on edgypackageupdates, but isnt anymore?  were they removed for a reason?
[02:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: gamin fixes after Knot 1
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: which is when?
[02:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what's the status of kvpnc?
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well, it fell off the merge list, but apparently there's a newer version somewhere. toma_ mentioned it a while ago
[02:22] <Riddell> Hobbsee: last thursday (or as soon as we can after that)
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe...yeah, that's what i thought.
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: any current ETA on it though?
[02:22] <Riddell> Hobbsee: none that I know of
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, i hadnt heard of any either.
[02:25] <Hobbsee> anyone know what time i have to be at work tomorrow?
[02:27] <Hobbsee> hmmm...12...much more reasonable.
[02:41] <pygi> o joy, kmail doesnt download all my mail
[02:43] <abattoir> pygi: that's good in a way, do you want to download the 100s of MBs of mail? ;)
[02:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sheesh!  binaries of kdebase are 61mb total, it looks like!
[02:44] <Riddell> -dbg will be a fair chunk of that
[02:44] <pygi> abattoir: I have 1000MB, and yes, I want to download all
[02:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: where should i copy it to?  i havent tested if it's installable yet
[02:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: copy it to buntudot, and you can grab it off there?  or you want me to scp it to your hard drive?
[02:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: also, source or binaries?
[02:45] <Hobbsee> guess it'll need to be hosted somewhere till you get ftp back for kubuntu.org.
[02:45] <mornfall> pygi: pop3 -- need i say more? :] 
[02:45] <pygi> mornfall: ofcourse not :)
[02:45] <Riddell> Hobbsee: this is a rebuild of kdebase with the screensaver patch?
[02:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yep
[02:46] <Riddell> Hobbsee: copy it to my hard disk somewhere
[02:46] <pygi> mornfall: make a new format =P
[02:46] <mornfall> pygi: no need, it's called imap ;)
[02:46] <Hobbsee> Riddell: any preferences where?
[02:46] <mornfall> and it's a protocol not format
[02:46] <Riddell> Hobbsee: in /home/hobbsee
[02:46] <pygi> mornfall: ofcourse, wrong typing, sorry about that :P 
[02:46] <pygi> well, gmail doesnt have imap :)
[02:46] <mornfall> that's right
[02:47] <mornfall> that's also a good reason not to use it :)
[02:47] <pygi> heh, get me a better mail :)
[02:48] <pygi> mornfall: bleh :P
[02:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i forgot to sign it.
[02:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: guess you'll resign it anyway.
[02:50] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you'll want the binaries as well, i assume?
[02:50] <omeow> Riddell, ok.
[02:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes
[02:50] <omeow> (asking for backport, version number, etc)
[02:51] <Hobbsee> cool
[02:52] <omeow> Riddell, before I file a report for that to be ported to backports, however, is this all that needs to be done? Shouldn't I check if the program works properly, etc?
[02:52] <omeow> Or is that done later?
[02:52] <Hobbsee> omeow: yes, you should have done that right after you tested it built
[02:53] <omeow> Right. And what happens if a newer version of kaffeine becomes available? Should I build that and ask for a backport? 
[02:53] <Hobbsee> omeow: oh, kaffeine.  good, that should fix a lot of the kaffeine bugs!
[02:53] <Riddell> omeow: I did say 12:50 < Riddell> omeow: did you install and run it?
[02:54] <Hobbsee> omeow: you can if you want
[02:54] <omeow> Yes, I'm just asking. :)
[02:54] <omeow> I did a quick test to see if it worked. But I can be more extensive to see if everything works.
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: do i want to know what happened with kubuntu.org, and why you cant access it?  it'd be cool if we could chuck those kopete debs up for dapper - saves people going to the forum and grabbing crappy ones.
[03:02] <Riddell> Hobbsee: same thing as happened to *.debian.org, it's being worked on
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ahhh.  right, didnt make the connection.
[03:05] <omeow> That's probably in connection with the recently hacked debian server.
[03:05] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:06] <toma> sf.net was down for that reason yesterday as well
[03:06] <toma> +probably
[03:14] <omeow> Riddell; https://launchpad.net/products/dapper-backports/+bug/53054
[03:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53054 in dapper-backports "Requesting backport for kaffeine_0.8.1-3ubuntu1" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  
[03:20] <omeow> What? Did I do it wrong? =/
[03:20] <Hobbsee> a screensaver not working issue is a critical issue in dapper?  right.
[03:20] <omeow> Oh...
[03:20] <omeow> It's not a critical issue, but it does make things look silly.
[03:22] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:22] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:22] <Hobbsee> worried about security?  lock your screen - dont even wait the 1min that you set it to.
[03:24] <omeow> That's probably them trying to come up with reasons to get the issue fixed as soon as possible.
[03:24] <Hobbsee> omeow: yeah, they did it on the forums too, so they ranted and raved...
[03:24] <Hobbsee> omeow: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1258847
[03:35] <pygi> 9 more minutes
[03:37] <Hobbsee> pygi: until?
[03:38] <pygi> Hobbsee: until I can reboot, and see what happens :P
[03:39] <Hobbsee> pygi: ahhh...
[03:39] <Hobbsee> pygi: what'd you do?  oh, edgy
[03:40] <pygi> Hobbsee: indeed
[03:53] <pygi_> poke all
[03:54] <Hobbsee> poke pygi_!
[03:54] <pygi_> Riddell: 
[03:54] <pygi_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:54] <pygi_>  /var/cache/apt/archives/adept-common_2.1_all.deb
[03:54] <pygi_>  /var/cache/apt/archives/adept-installer_2.1_i386.deb
[03:54] <pygi_>  /var/cache/apt/archives/adept-updater_2.1_i386.deb
[03:54] <pygi_>  /var/cache/apt/archives/adept-notifier_2.1_i386.deb
[03:54] <pygi_> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:54] <pygi_> what's happeninng around here?
[03:55] <Hobbsee> pygi_: want to pastebin the entire error?
[03:55] <mornfall> may be missing Replaces: on adept-common
[03:55] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:55] <pygi_> ergh, I am afraid to reboot
[03:55] <mornfall> which i can't be bothered to fix, because it means shitload of work
[03:56] <pygi_> mornfall: eh, thats bad attitude
[03:58] <mornfall> right, well, maybe you could fix and build it then, then catch my sponsor to upload it to debian? :)
[03:58] <mornfall> there are other rc-bugs as well
[03:58] <mornfall> which need fixing
[03:58] <Hobbsee> mornfall: does the lack of fix mean it's permanently uninstallable, or what?
[03:58] <mornfall> no, it's just not upgradable
[03:58] <mornfall> have to remove adept and then install it again
[03:58] <Hobbsee> ah right
[03:59] <pygi_> Hobsee, just do apt-get -f install
[03:59] <pygi_> mornfall: I can't fix all your mistakes :)
[03:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay, that's all uploaded now
[04:00] <mornfall> right
[04:00] <mornfall> i can't either
[04:00] <pygi_> bleh =P
[04:01] <mornfall> however, there is a bug i can't seem to be able to fix for some reason
[04:01] <pygi_> which one?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> the java one?
[04:01] <mornfall> that it crashes as soon as you hit preview changes
[04:01] <mornfall> no, a new one in 2.1
[04:02] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:02] <mornfall> well, i could fix it
[04:02] <mornfall> but i would have to find some motivation first
[04:02] <pygi_> !!!
[04:02] <ubotu> I know nothing about !! - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[04:02] <pygi_> mornfall: com'on, what kind of attitude is this!!!
[04:03] <Hobbsee> mornfall: one question - if you hate it so much, why are you doing this?
[04:03] <mornfall> i can't even build it
[04:03] <mornfall> *** YOU'RE USING autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.60.
[04:03] <mornfall> *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer
[04:03] <mornfall> because the build tools SUCK
[04:04] <Hobbsee> mornfall: we've got a patch for that, btw.
[04:04] <pygi_> mornfall: no, they dont really
[04:04] <pygi_> just relay, and fix your attitude
[04:04] <mornfall> you didn't spend last 20 minutes trying to fix cmake
[04:05] <mornfall> can i have the fix for the build? because without that, there will be no further 2.1 fixes anyway
[04:05] <Hobbsee> mornfall: isnt that kde 4 based, which wasnt really stable enough to build on yet?  that's what konvi people said
[04:05] <Hobbsee> mornfall: sure, i'll grab you the link to it
[04:05] <Hobbsee> mornfall: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/kubuntu_00_autoconf2.60.diff
[04:05] <mornfall> no, kde3 with cmake
[04:05] <pygi_> I wonder how would I do anything if I had yours attitude :-/
[04:05] <Hobbsee> mornfall: ahh...
[04:05] <mornfall> it's a wee bit less broken than autotools
[04:06] <mornfall> well, most of the time, anyway
[04:06] <mornfall> right now, it's trying to drive me nuts
[04:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:06] <Hobbsee> mornfall: and is it succeeding?
[04:07] <mornfall> apparently, yes
[04:10] <mornfall> hmm, or no
[04:12] <pygi_> damn , so much errors
[04:13] <mornfall> \o/ it builds
[04:14] <Hobbsee> mornfall: yay!
[04:14] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:16] <mornfall> that one works too
[04:17] <mornfall> after some mucking with the build script
[04:17] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[04:17] <mornfall> so after something like 40 minutes, i can do some actual work, instead of fixing the damn build system
[04:18] <mornfall> make that 30
[04:18] <mornfall> more than enough to forget half the things i wanted
[04:21] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:21] <Hobbsee> write them down?
[04:22] <mornfall> In Flames -- Come Clarity
[04:22] <mornfall> ha, i love when things work as i wanted them to
[04:22] <omeow> Where can I opt to remove my account from launchpad and everything associated to it?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> omeow: um, why?  no idea, to answer the question
[04:22] <omeow> It's not in the FAQ and it's not in the options.
[04:23] <mornfall> i have downloaded first package ever with adept 2.2 branch
[04:23] <pygi_> omeow: perhaps #launchpad , but...
[04:23] <mornfall> it didn't install correctly, but who cares
[04:25] <mornfall> woho, zsh: segmentation fault  sudo sh -c
[04:25] <mornfall> lovely
[04:25] <mornfall> it also took down gdb
[04:27] <pygi_> damn, why cant I locate qtdesigner
[04:30] <mornfall> hmm, divide by zero
[04:30] <mornfall> great one :)
[04:30] <Hobbsee> hah
[04:30] <Hobbsee> mornfall: please dont tell me you coded that.
[04:32] <mornfall> Hobbsee: well, how often it happens that you perform more operations than you actually schedule (when scheduling nothing) :-))
[04:32] <Hobbsee> mornfall: this is true
[04:32] <pygi> Okay, so everyone, I suggest you don't upgrade your system
[04:33] <Hobbsee> um, what the heck was that?
[04:33] <pygi> Hobbsee: what??
[04:33] <Hobbsee> pygi: why not?
[04:33] <pygi> Hobbsee: because it's heavily broken
[04:33] <mornfall> so it works, i can remove package
[04:34] <mornfall> it then crashes, but that's expected :-)
[04:34] <mornfall> thhe part that's not completely expected is that gdb freaks out
[04:34] <mornfall> but knowing gdb.............
[04:34] <Hobbsee> pygi: well, yeah, i knew that, what in particular?  the short version?
[04:34] <Hobbsee> pygi: do we have X today?
[04:34] <pygi> Hobbsee: nop :)
[04:34] <mornfall> X? who needs X? :-))
[04:34] <Hobbsee> mornfall: hehe!  i do!
[04:34] <mornfall> but pygi, watch your attitude!
[04:35] <Hobbsee> pygi: oh good!
[04:35] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:35] <pygi> mornfall: my attitude is just fine :)
[04:35] <mornfall> oh but you say it's broken
[04:35] <mornfall> that's a bad attitude :p
[04:35] <pygi> well, it is
[04:36] <pygi> well, if I was its developer, it would be fixed in few minutes :)
[04:36] <mornfall> when i say it's broken, it's broken too, yet my attitude is bad and yours ok? :P
[04:36] <pygi> mornfall: no, you got it all wrong :P
[04:36] <mornfall> damn :-)
[04:37] <pygi> anyway, gotta reinstall some stable system :)
[04:37] <pygi> bye mornfall :P
[04:37] <mornfall> bye bye
[04:37] <OculusAquilae> is somebody working on KubuntuDialupSupport? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDialupSupport
[04:37] <OculusAquilae> first hi :)
[04:38] <Hobbsee> hey OculusAquilae!
[04:39] <Hobbsee> ah yes, that.  and the kppp stuff.  yes.
[04:39] <Hobbsee> OculusAquilae: were you offering?
[04:40] <OculusAquilae> hm, i think so :)
[04:40] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: no, but the fix to kppp should be trivial, the alternative to use knet is less trivial
[04:40] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: what would you like to see done?
[04:42] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: I think kppp doesn't have support for PPPoE and PPPoA etc. right? So knet would be nice (but it has a bad ui, right)
[04:43] <mornfall> this is so screwed, why is gdb segfaulting on me
[04:43] <mornfall> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[04:44] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: have you tried knet?
[04:44] <OculusAquilae> don't have a modem here at the moment
[04:45] <mornfall> zsh: segmentation fault  KDE_DEBUG=1 DISPLAY=:0 gdb --args ./_build/default/adept/manager/adept_manage
[04:46] <mornfall> so is there some *useful* debugger on linux?
[04:48] <OculusAquilae> Riddell: but it's running here and has to my mind a very bad ui 
[04:50] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: I agree
[04:58] <Hobbsee> OculusAquilae: you have a LP account?
[04:59] <OculusAquilae> Hobbsee: yes, let me see
[04:59] <Hobbsee> OculusAquilae: i'll try to remember to forward any of the dialup stuff bugs to you
[04:59] <OculusAquilae> https://launchpad.net/people/bastianholst -- that's me
[05:00] <Hobbsee> OculusAquilae: okay, cool.  ooh, you're a katapult dev :)
[05:00] <OculusAquilae> right
[05:18] <Hobbsee> night all
[05:18] <nixternal> nite
[05:18] <nixternal> mornin' all ;)
[05:18] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal 
[05:18] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[05:18] <Hobbsee> nixternal: see Riddell's comments about your package earlier
[05:19] <nixternal> hehe...my name is WikiFied i know..that is how i did it on the puter when i set it up, so that is what happens when i dch -i
[05:19] <nixternal> i will fix that from now on ;)
[05:19] <Hobbsee> nixternal: then you need to change it :P
[05:19] <nixternal> you can
[05:19] <nixternal> i gotta find it in /etc somewhere
[05:20] <mornfall> hmm, is someone else than me ever going to need non-threaded version of adept?
[05:20] <mornfall> (i could go the extra bits to make an --nothreads commandline option)
[05:20] <mornfall> right now it's compile-time switch
[05:20] <mornfall> ohwell, YAGNi
[05:20] <mornfall> I
[05:20] <nixternal> hehe
[05:21] <mornfall> anyone with an idea how long gdb build takes? :\
[05:21] <mornfall> although, it's running tests already
[05:27] <mornfall> WOW gdb doesn't crash with NOTHREADS version of adept \o/
[06:20] <nixternal> Riddell: http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/packages/kflickr-0.6/        <- fixed the name issue so it isn't wikified anymore ;)
[06:21] <Riddell> nixternal: I've upready uploaded that package
[06:21] <nixternal> roger that...in the future then it will be good ;)
[07:38] <nixternal> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/packages/lyx-1.4.2/
[07:38] <nixternal> ^^how does that look?
[07:43] <Riddell> nixternal: bad e-mail in changelog
[07:43] <nixternal> arg
[07:43] <nixternal> i know..the freakin' @CaboWabo again
[07:43] <Riddell> nixternal: is this in debian?  
[07:43] <nixternal> i believe so as the older version was previously merged
[07:44] <Riddell> but this version isn't, so version number should be -0ubuntu1
[07:44] <nixternal> k
[07:45] <nixternal> i have to make a note on changing the email issue..is there a way to set it when i do 'dch -i' that is grabs my email address and now the localhost?
[07:46] <nixternal> s/now/not
[07:47] <toma> nixternal: you can set a env var iirc, see the man page
[07:47] <nixternal> ty toma
[07:49] <nixternal> Riddell: i updated the page with the corrected info in it and the <version>
[07:51] <Riddell> nixternal: seems all good, I'll upload if it compiles
[07:51] <nixternal> cool Riddell..thanks...Hobbsee got me hooked now after showing me her way
[07:51] <Riddell> what's her way?
[07:52] <nixternal> actually your way...as whe pasted the conversation between you two last year in pastebin
[07:52] <nixternal> s/whe/she
[07:54] <Riddell> nixternal: applying patch 02.htlatex_documentation to ./ ... failed
[07:54] <nixternal> hmm
[08:00] <nixternal> is that the only issue, or did it fail totally upon that error?
[08:07] <nixternal> LyX-Dokumente knen nach HTML konvertiert werden, indem sie zunhst nach
[08:07] <nixternal> ^^the special characters...would they be a reason for failure?
[08:10] <Riddell> no
[08:10] <Riddell> presumably the file that patch touches has changed
[08:10] <Riddell> you'll need to apply the patch by hand and make a diff
[08:12] <nixternal> heh, that one is probably a little bit beyond my no0b packaging skills ;)
[08:15] <Riddell> it's not hard
[08:15] <Riddell> copy the file to a backup place
[08:15] <Riddell> emacs 02.htlatex_documentation file/to/edit
[08:15] <Riddell> apply changes
[08:15] <Riddell> diff -u backup file/to/edit
[08:27] <nixternal> file/to/edit refers to the de_Extended.lyx file?
[08:32] <nixternal> emacs 02.htlatex_documentation ../../../lyx-1.4.1/lib/doc/de_Extended.lyx
[08:35] <Riddell> yes
[08:37] <nixternal> im glad the file is huge ;)
[08:47] <nixternal> now with that info, cp/paste it into 02.?
[08:53] <nixternal> those patches won't work anyways, as they are referring to lyx-1.4.1 and the package is 1.4.2
[08:57] <Riddell> nixternal: that's not a problem
[08:57] <nixternal> k
[09:23] <nixternal> E: lyx_1.4.2-0ubuntu1_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-chages-file edgy
[09:24] <nixternal> ^^ that is ignorable since im on a dapper setup
[09:27] <Riddell> nixternal: yes
[09:28] <nixternal> Riddell: in order to create the .orig.tar.gz and the lyx-1.4.2 dir..i did =>    cd lyx-1.4.1/ && uupdate ../lyx-1.4.2.tar.gz
[09:28] <nixternal> then i edited changelog...then did the dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot -k<mykey>
[10:16] <nixternal> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/packages/kxstitch-0.8/
[10:17] <nixternal> ^^ ready to check out
[10:20] <Riddell> 0.8-1-0ubuntu1 version number is wrong
[10:20] <nixternal> k
[10:20] <nixternal> 0.8-0ubuntu1?
[10:21] <nixternal> yup
[10:24] <nixternal> fixed
[10:56] <nixternal> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/packages/kvpnc-0.8.5.1/
[10:56] <nixternal> ^^ another one 
[10:57] <jjesse> nixternal: did you get my email ?
[10:57] <nixternal> Appendix D?
[10:57] <nixternal> got it 
[10:57] <jjesse> yeah i totally forgot about it :)
[10:58] <fred>  nixternal, the last char after your 'another one' and 'got it'
[10:58] <fred> what is it ?
[10:58] <fred> it appears very strange on my screen, like a " merged with a very large coma
[10:58] <nixternal> fred, i copied it from everyone else..and i made a "auto replace"
[10:59] <nixternal> it is supposed to be a smiley face
[10:59] <fred> ok :) so my client doesnt support this :)
[10:59] <fred> jsut wanted to knwo
[10:59] <nixternal> no fred, look at the image..it looks like a smiley face
[11:00] <nixternal> the way you described it is correct
[11:00] <Riddell> hello fred 
[11:00] <fred> so *this* is a face :)
[11:00] <nixternal> hehe ya
[11:00] <fred> Riddell: hello
[11:01] <nixternal> Riddell: im not annoying you with the uploads am i??  i know you are busy and i definately understand if im "in the way"...im just trying to learn the packaging during "busy as all heck" times
[11:02] <Riddell> nixternal: if you were annoying me I'd ignore you :)
[11:02] <nixternal> probably not the best time to learn 
[11:02] <nixternal> gahahah Riddell
[11:02] <Riddell> nixternal: looking now
[11:02] <nixternal> and tonight when hobbsee gets on, i will annoy her..actually she is the one that started all of this
[11:03] <Riddell> nixternal: kvpnc fails to compile on edgy, are you testing these packages first?
[11:04] <nixternal> sorry
[11:04] <nixternal> im testing them with lintian -i
[11:04] <nixternal> i don't have an edgy machine setup just yet to test. as the last time i tried it, it killed everything 
[11:04] <Riddell> nixternal: make a chroot
[11:05] <Riddell> mkdir edgy; sudo debootstrap --variant=buildd edgy edgy/
[11:06] <nixternal> heh, got the packaging guide right here in my lap
[11:06] <nixternal> will create that now
[11:06] <nixternal> thx
[11:14] <nixternal> ok Riddell, i will stop bugging ya for the time being..i appreciate everything big time..imbrandon is gonna put me through chroot bootcamp tonight.