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lifeless | msw: thank you | 01:19 |
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Kamion | ThunderStruck: libbonobo wouldn't be able to stop you booting. It might stop the desktop coming up properly. | 01:20 |
ThunderStruck | Kamion: correct well thats what bothered me than he said due to no net connection he couldnt boot i threw up my hands on him | 01:21 |
ThunderStruck | libbonobo caused panels to not show up | 01:21 |
Kamion | that's certainly possible in edgy | 01:22 |
ThunderStruck | it did it to me today but only once | 01:22 |
Kamion | (in the sense that anything's possible in edgy. I don't know anything about this specific issue.) | 01:22 |
ThunderStruck | i have a feeling its related to a few icons breaking but havent looked into it yet | 01:23 |
mdz | totem still doesn't build, even with fixed xine-lib | 01:27 |
mdz | http://librarian.launchpad.net/3419820/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.totem_1.5.4-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 01:27 |
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mdz | the error doesn't make much sense though | 01:28 |
mdz | /usr/include/i486-linux-gnu/asm/errno.h:4:31: error: asm-generic/errno.h: No such file or directory | 01:28 |
mdz | those are both in linux-kernel-headers | 01:28 |
mdz | what's worse, it builds fine for me locally | 01:35 |
mdz | oh, wait, linux-kernel-headers may have changed since I upgraded | 01:36 |
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ThunderStruck | they were updated today | 01:40 |
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Seveas | mdz, there are other things missing from l-k-h too according to malone | 01:43 |
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mdz | Seveas: I filed bug #53028 | 01:50 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 53028 in linux-source-2.6.17 "linux-kernel-headers regressions" [High,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/53028 | 01:50 |
mdz | marking bug #51369 as a duplicate even though it's older because mine is more complete ;-) | 01:51 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 51369 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Changes root device path without migrating fstab" [High,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/51369 | 01:51 |
Seveas | mdz: bug 52990 | 01:52 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 52990 in linux-source-2.6.17 "asm-generic missing from linux-kernel-headers" [High,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/52990 | 01:52 |
mdz | right I meant bug #52990 | 01:52 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 52990 in linux-source-2.6.17 "asm-generic missing from linux-kernel-headers" [High,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/52990 | 01:52 |
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Kamion | mdz: meh, BenC knew the problem from mine anyway ;) | 02:16 |
Kamion | mdz: he tried to upload to fix it already, but unfortunately since the kernel uses the host compiler for a few userspace programs during the build it needs a manual bootstrap | 02:16 |
Kamion | (he did try to hack around that requirement but it apparently didn't work) | 02:16 |
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mdz | gar | 02:17 |
Kamion | infinity: you aren't around yet by any chance are you? | 02:17 |
mdz | it's infinisaturday | 02:17 |
mdz | meanwhile, my laptop freezes up hard while loading gdm for some reason | 02:18 |
mdz | the X server on its own starts fine | 02:18 |
mdz | now I know how I'll spend the evening before my next flight | 02:18 |
Kamion | anyway, until the kernel bootstrap happens, edgy is basically wedged solid | 02:19 |
mdz | indeed | 02:19 |
mdz | one might even say "fux0red" | 02:20 |
mdz | oh, good, 2.6.17-5.9 fixes my laptop freeze | 02:25 |
mdz | hmm, or not. it fixed it in single-user | 02:25 |
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bluefoxicy | You know what would be nice? | 03:34 |
bluefoxicy | http://neosmart.net/gallery/v/os/ROS/Booting.png.html If we had a boot screen like this | 03:34 |
bluefoxicy | The Ubuntu bootsplash theme is very light, simple, easy on the eyes.. I wonder if there's any merit to being a little flashy about it some time down the road. | 03:35 |
Burgundavia | bluefoxicy: the issue is older machines | 03:35 |
bluefoxicy | Burgundavia: well, I'm thinking a static image, not i.e. Xubuntu pops up and there's 6 mice running in hamster wheels and rolling around with eachother on the screen fully 3D accelerated :P | 03:36 |
Burgundavia | still run into older machines | 03:36 |
bluefoxicy | not enough color display? | 03:36 |
bluefoxicy | Burgundavia: how old are we talking about btw? | 03:36 |
Burgundavia | I don't know | 03:36 |
bluefoxicy | I've used Ubuntu Dapper on a 350MHz K6-2 with 192 megs of ram | 03:36 |
Kamion | new laptops - use anything but vga16fb and you break suspend/resume | 03:36 |
Kamion | it's not really an old-machines issue at all | 03:37 |
bluefoxicy | it took about 6 tries to get it installed, it takes it 15 minutes to boot the install livecd, the installation kept failing (I had to kill off all of gnome and then get X to start with just a terminal, kill some startup services), took it about half an hour to copy all files, and about 2 minutes to load openoffice.org once I rebooted into the system. | 03:38 |
bluefoxicy | Kamion: nods | 03:38 |
bluefoxicy | so only want to display 16 colors | 03:38 |
bluefoxicy | Kamion: the current is only vga16fb though right? | 03:39 |
Kamion | yes | 03:40 |
bluefoxicy | mmm. I miss Kdrive, did that project die? | 03:40 |
bluefoxicy | Kdrive was great for doing little hacks like full X11 boot screens ;) | 03:41 |
bluefoxicy | (since it fit in ... oh.... 300k, and pushed most everything it could into video memory before XFree86 started doing that) | 03:41 |
bluefoxicy | More stuff that'll never happen. | 03:42 |
johanbr | bluefoxicy: I think the GPE graphical environment for handheld devices still uses Kdrive. | 03:45 |
jdub | kdrive definitely didn't die | 03:45 |
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Viper550 | Hello everyone | 03:47 |
Viper550 | I've got a great new spec for your examination today! | 03:48 |
Viper550 | anyone> | 03:49 |
Viper550 | ??? | 03:49 |
Lathiat | Viper550: just fire away | 03:50 |
Viper550 | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-slab | 03:50 |
Viper550 | So, your thoughts? | 03:58 |
bluefoxicy | johanbr: I was thinking of an Ubuntu Kdrive package, with a rescue mode that tries to get gtk+ kdrive Xlibs working | 04:02 |
bluefoxicy | johanbr: in VESA only of course. I figured compressed all the needed libs come under 2 megs, minus glibc and busybox | 04:03 |
johanbr | bluefoxicy: Ah, okay. Don't know anything about its current status in ubuntu. | 04:03 |
bluefoxicy | I do that a lot, there's a lot of neat ideas bouncing around in my head that'll never go anywhere. And I think Kdrive doesn't even have a Debian proper package in sid, much less Ubuntu universe package. | 04:04 |
bluefoxicy | tseng has recommended numerous times that I get a blog | 04:05 |
tseng | if only so I could filter it out | 04:05 |
bluefoxicy | tseng: as noisy as I am, I do try to be quiet when there's actual useful conversation around :) | 04:06 |
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zul | tseng: you need the charlie brown bassoon | 04:07 |
tseng | zul: im not familiar | 04:07 |
zul | tseng: when peppermint patty always talk to the teacher in peanuts its a basson | 04:08 |
tseng | oh right | 04:08 |
tseng | wamp-wa-wamp-waa | 04:08 |
bluefoxicy | and they always talk back to her like normal | 04:10 |
bluefoxicy | that was the first time I got smacked as a child, you know that? | 04:10 |
bluefoxicy | I said "what the hell?" and my daddy smacked me. | 04:10 |
bluefoxicy | (no not really) | 04:10 |
bluefoxicy | anyway /me goes back to trying to do something useful. | 04:11 |
bluefoxicy | .... unless anyone wants to explain to me why hitting "ok" in network-admin results in a 64-bit Athlon 3000+ with 512 megs of ram, freshly booted, sitting around for over a minute and not actually setting my gateway until the end of that time, just for a default gateway device change. | 04:15 |
zul | no not really | 04:15 |
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whiprush | jdub: hey did you get my response to fridge-devel wrt. silbs' email? | 07:08 |
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Hobbsee | how close is the knot 1 cd? | 07:48 |
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orpheus | hookay, so I've got a question: | 07:59 |
orpheus | say i have a package | 07:59 |
orpheus | and i want to play with the source of that package | 08:00 |
orpheus | 'cause there's a thing or two I'd like to chance | 08:00 |
orpheus | *change | 08:00 |
anibal | busybox 1:1.1.3-2ubuntu1 and swapspace 1.6-2 FTBFS similarly on ia64 and sparc, I've compared the failed build logs with the i386 one to no avail, could someone have a look at this problem? Alternatively, how can I get access to both sparc and ia64 devel machines? | 08:00 |
orpheus | and i'd like to play with it the source 'the ubuntu way' ('the debian way' ) | 08:01 |
orpheus | what magic do i need to know? | 08:01 |
orpheus | i'm presented with a source package with 30-some patches | 08:01 |
orpheus | and as i understand it, the patches are applied .. in order... and thus... depend on being applied only in that order | 08:02 |
orpheus | so if i play with any of the source before dpkg-buildpackage'ing it, no matter how minor the change, one of those patches is bound to fail | 08:03 |
orpheus | and then i get a source tree with some patches applied and some not, and it gets rather broken | 08:04 |
orpheus | soo... what's the right way to play with the source of a package? | 08:04 |
Hobbsee | anibal: create a chroot with ia64 or sparc architecture? | 08:07 |
infinity | Hobbsee: You should probably re-read what you typed and think about that for a second. :) | 08:09 |
infinity | anibal: Try not to ask the same question in multiple channels, so I don't have to answer you twice. ;) | 08:10 |
Hobbsee | infinity: oh bleh. yeah, probably. | 08:10 |
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Hobbsee | dont pick on me :P | 08:10 |
anibal | infinity, sorry, ta anyway :) | 08:10 |
anibal | Hobbsee, for the record: from infinity to anibal: It's a known bug in linux-kernel-headers and gcc, it's being sorted, don't worry about it. | 08:12 |
Hobbsee | anibal: okay then | 08:12 |
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Hobbsee | wonder why my --update-config parameter doesnt work | 08:15 |
Hobbsee | er, override-config | 08:16 |
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fabbione | morning guys | 09:11 |
jdub | mdz: ping | 09:12 |
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Hobbsee | hi fabbione, jdub | 09:14 |
Hobbsee | jdub: isnt it too early for that? | 09:15 |
fabbione | hey Hobbsee | 09:15 |
jdub | probably | 09:16 |
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Burgundavia | very much so, unless mdz is still up (midnight here) | 09:16 |
Hobbsee | heh | 09:18 |
Hobbsee | hi Burgundavia | 09:18 |
Burgundavia | hey Hobbsee | 09:18 |
Hobbsee | jdub: seems that you lost that interview from your hard drive - yay! | 09:19 |
jdub | Hobbsee: ha ha, no | 09:19 |
Hobbsee | jdub: damn! | 09:19 |
Hobbsee | jdub: whyever not? | 09:19 |
jdub | for some reason it was saved as penis.spx | 09:19 |
Hobbsee | only because you saved it like that. | 09:20 |
StevenK | jdub: Will this interview be made public? | 09:26 |
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jdub | StevenK: probably | 09:30 |
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Hobbsee | unless you happen to accidently delete it | 09:43 |
jdub | seriously | 09:43 |
jdub | who is going to accidentally delete a file called penis.spx? | 09:43 |
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Tmob | any acpi-support devs around? | 10:39 |
Hobbsee | Tmob: it's a saturday. most unlikely. | 10:39 |
Tmob | Hobbsee, geeks have holidays? | 10:39 |
Hobbsee | Tmob: they have weekends sometimes | 10:40 |
Tmob | heh.. just made a patch for sleep.sh for acpi event jitter.. was curious if anyone can comment | 10:40 |
Tmob | Hobbsee, any idea who is the maintainer? | 10:40 |
jdub | Tmob: you're looking for mjg59, pretty much | 10:40 |
Hobbsee | there you go :P | 10:40 |
Tmob | okeydok | 10:41 |
Tmob | anyway.. posted a bug report and on -devel list.. will wait | 10:41 |
ogra | ugh | 10:41 |
ogra | plese dont abuse -devel for bugs | 10:42 |
Tmob | ogra, hm? bug-fixes? | 10:42 |
ogra | we have a bugtracker | 10:42 |
Tmob | awww :/ | 10:42 |
Tmob | well i tought patches are posted on the devel list | 10:42 |
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Hobbsee | hi ogra | 10:42 |
Tmob | whats the devle list for then | 10:43 |
ogra | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug | 10:43 |
ogra | development related discussion | 10:43 |
ogra | hey Hobbsee :) | 10:43 |
Hobbsee | ogra: i've been killing things again :) | 10:44 |
ogra | Hobbsee, i just saw your kid was accepted ... :) | 10:45 |
Hobbsee | ogra: yeah, finally. | 10:45 |
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ogra | Mithrandir, around ? my ltsp fixes would be ready for upload ... | 10:50 |
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hunger_ | Yeah! kernel 2.6.17-5-686 boots again! Any chance of getting the restricted modules and stuff for that soonish? | 11:15 |
ogra | hunger, its weekend ... | 11:16 |
ogra | give us a chance to recover :) | 11:17 |
Hobbsee | ogra: doesnt give you guys the excuse to take a holiday | 11:17 |
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Hobbsee | ogra: how'd you get back out of /dev/null? | 11:17 |
ogra | more more! | 11:17 |
jsgotangco | doh! | 11:17 |
Hobbsee | um, scary. | 11:17 |
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ogra | :) | 11:17 |
jsgotangco | would you rather want RichEd to do that to you? | 11:18 |
ogra | Hobbsee, i crawled indeed ... holding tight on a stream coming from /dev/zero | 11:18 |
Hobbsee | ogra: hehe | 11:18 |
hunger | ogra: Oh, I thought all those things get rebuild automatically nowadays... | 11:18 |
hunger | ogra: Sorry, I was not implying that you boys (and girl) are lazy:-) | 11:19 |
ogra | jsgotangco, well, lets see :) | 11:19 |
ogra | hunger, i know :) | 11:19 |
Hobbsee | hunger: heh. the one girl, all alone. | 11:19 |
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Hobbsee | hi lifeless_ | 11:20 |
hunger | Hobbsee: Yeap, I was refering to you;-) | 11:20 |
Hobbsee | hunger: i figured that :P | 11:20 |
Hobbsee | hunger: although, does ogra count as vaguely girly with his ponytail? | 11:20 |
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infinity | A lot of us have pony tails, not sure that counts for much. | 11:21 |
hunger | Hobbsee: See, this time I remembered you were on of those mysterious other kinds of human beings rumored to exist somewhere. | 11:21 |
ogra | Hobbsee, i'm way to beardy to be counted as a girl today :) | 11:21 |
Hobbsee | hunger: heh | 11:21 |
Hobbsee | ogra: haha | 11:21 |
Hobbsee | infinity: i know, i was teasing :P | 11:21 |
Hobbsee | oh shoot - glad i didnt hit y! | 11:21 |
Hobbsee | Sure you want to delete all the files in /home/sarah [yn] ? n | 11:22 |
ogra | y | 11:22 |
ogra | *g* | 11:22 |
infinity | That prompt really needs to be [ynm] | 11:22 |
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infinity | Indeterminate computing rules. | 11:22 |
Hobbsee | hehe | 11:22 |
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sivang | re dudes | 11:25 |
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ogra | File "setup.py", line 52, in ? | 11:27 |
ogra | from zope.app.locales import extract | 11:27 |
ogra | ImportError: No module named zope.app.locales | 11:27 |
ogra | grmpf | 11:27 |
Hobbsee | hi sivang | 11:27 |
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sivang | hey Hobbsee | 11:36 |
sivang | ogra: schooltool ? :-) | 11:36 |
Kamion | infinity: any chance of a mass give-back now that l-k-h is fixed? | 11:38 |
infinity | Kamion: Define "fixed". | 11:38 |
Kamion | "it is possible to compile C programs again" | 11:39 |
infinity | Kamion: sparc/ia64 still seem buggered, and linux-source is now FTBFS. | 11:39 |
Kamion | yeah, but mesa and xine-lib would be worth a shot at least | 11:39 |
infinity | Kamion: doko's uploading yet another lkh fix. Not sure what that will un-fuck. | 11:39 |
Kamion | powerpc should be happier, and it has some serious problems | 11:39 |
Kamion | s/has/had/ | 11:39 |
infinity | Well, I can certainly do a mass-give-back. | 11:40 |
infinity | I'm sure we'll need another this weekend. | 11:40 |
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Kamion | yeah - just want to see if we can get up to python-gnome-based stuff being installable on powerpc | 11:40 |
Kamion | which should (I think) be possible now and would help matters a lot | 11:40 |
doko | Kamion, infinity: please wait a bit, it looks like linux-source -5.11 "fixes" the include dir, but our compilers don't know about it | 11:41 |
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doko | and working on the ia64 fix now | 11:41 |
infinity | Kamion: Nevermind, can't do a mass-give-back. | 11:41 |
Kamion | doko: what's wrong with the current l-k-h on powerpc? | 11:41 |
infinity | Kamion: Requires direct DB access. | 11:41 |
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infinity | Kamion: But we can cherry-pick a few things you think might be in better shape. | 11:41 |
doko | Kamion: doesn't have a /usr/include/powerpc64-linux-gnu | 11:41 |
Kamion | wow, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xine-lib is confused | 11:42 |
Kamion | doko: what does that actually break? | 11:42 |
infinity | Kamion: Oh, cool. Looks like the ACCEPTED clash led to no build records for the upload that won.. | 11:43 |
infinity | \o/ | 11:43 |
doko | Kamion: AFAICS linux-source -5.11 changes that from ppc64 to powerpc64, breaking all our compilers | 11:43 |
infinity | Or, at least, ones I can't get to from the web UI... | 11:43 |
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infinity | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+builds?build_state=failed&build_text=xine-lib | 11:44 |
infinity | That'll do. | 11:44 |
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Kamion | doko: -5.11 hasn't built anywhere | 11:44 |
Kamion | so that doesn't matter | 11:44 |
Kamion | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/2.6.17-5.11 | 11:45 |
Kamion | infinity: mesa/amd64 and mesa/powerpc would be nice, certainly | 11:46 |
infinity | Yeah, working on those. | 11:46 |
Kamion | noting doko's concerns but it really can't hurt to try | 11:46 |
infinity | Just watches xine-lib fail because of those being out of sync. | 11:46 |
infinity | s/watches/watched/ | 11:46 |
Kamion | if mesa builds, xine-lib then totem then gnome-python-extras, iirc | 11:46 |
doko | In file included from scripts/mod/../../include/linux/input.h:19, | 11:47 |
doko | from scripts/mod/file2alias.c:40: | 11:47 |
doko | include/asm/types.h:31: error: redefinition of typedef '__u8' | 11:47 |
doko | scripts/mod/file2alias.c:34: error: previous declaration of '__u8' was here | 11:47 |
doko | include/asm/types.h:34: error: redefinition of typedef '__u16' | 11:47 |
doko | scripts/mod/file2alias.c:33: error: previous declaration of '__u16' was here | 11:47 |
doko | include/asm/types.h:37: error: redefinition of typedef '__u32' | 11:47 |
doko | scripts/mod/file2alias.c:32: error: previous declaration of '__u32' was here | 11:47 |
doko | make[4] : *** [scripts/mod/file2alias.o] Error 1 | 11:47 |
doko | make[3] : *** [scripts/mod] Error 2 | 11:47 |
doko | make[2] : *** [scripts] Error 2 | 11:47 |
doko | hmm, powerpc, with Ben's fixed lkh ... | 11:47 |
Kamion | yeah, but that's in the kernel and IIRC is due to the extra -I he put in as a workaround | 11:47 |
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infinity | Kamion: How quickly is mesa expected to fail if it does? | 11:48 |
Kamion | infinity: either as soon as it tries to compile something written in C, or about 20 minutes in | 11:49 |
infinity | Okay, well the former hasn't happened. Let's sit back and wait for the latter. | 11:49 |
Kamion | before my recent fix, it took 27 minutes to fail | 11:50 |
Kamion | https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/228411 | 11:50 |
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infinity | I'm offended that we have packages that take 27 minutes to build at all. | 11:50 |
Kamion | it's a hell of a lot slower on my laptop :( | 11:50 |
Kamion | took hours to build far enough for me to test the fix | 11:50 |
sivang | Kamion: is this a new mailing list? | 11:50 |
Kamion | sivang: yes | 11:51 |
infinity | I'm registering a spec for edgy+1 to remove all sources that can't be built in the space of a publisher run. | 11:51 |
Kamion | ask Keybuk for the details | 11:51 |
infinity | Hopefully that doesn't turn into an LP spec to make the publisher slower. | 11:51 |
sivang | Kamion: cool, thanks | 11:51 |
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infinity | Kamion: Which laptop is this that's that slow? Mine's gnerally faster than the buildds (except on really disk-intensive stuff) | 11:52 |
infinity | Of course, I specced it to be "faster than a buildd" intentionally, noting what I do for a living. | 11:53 |
infinity | Hunting build failures on slow hardware is teh suck. | 11:53 |
Kamion | my G4. I think it mostly needs more RAM. | 11:53 |
Kamion | its processor may not be brand new but it isn't THAT bad | 11:53 |
Kamion | and the disk is newish so it's probably not that, though I do give it quite a beating | 11:55 |
infinity | Although, there is something to be said for the skills acquired through using REALLY slow hardware. | 11:55 |
doko | hmm, no access to chinstrap again? | 11:55 |
infinity | m68k failure tracing has led me to be able to wrest all sorts of info from build logs that surprises even me. | 11:55 |
infinity | doko: /topic in #canonical | 11:56 |
Kamion | you mean "no, don't run a full build from scratch when you change one file"? | 11:56 |
doko | infinity: ok, seen | 11:56 |
infinity | Kamion: I mean "don't rebuild at all, just read logs and divine the problem, as if by magic or sheer luck". | 11:56 |
infinity | Kamion: Well, then the "don't rebuild the whole bloody thing, argh" bit follows. :) | 11:57 |
Kamion | ah yeahh | 11:57 |
infinity | Kamion: But the Adam of 3 years ago would look at the Adam of today as if he was some kind of mind-reading wizard. Necessity may or may not be the mother of invention, but she certainly gives birth to rapid learning of bizarre skillsets. | 11:57 |
Kamion | you do have a tendency to glance at build logs and go "oh yeah, it's that bug" | 11:58 |
ogra | Kamion, i see the same slowness on my ibook ... pbuilder-satisfydepends takes 45min for gnome-power-manager here | 11:58 |
Kamion | it's quite distressing until one works out that that's because it's the 175th instance of that problem you've seen | 11:58 |
Kamion | ogra: mine is not that slow | 11:59 |
ogra | well, yours is a bit more powerfull :) | 11:59 |
Kamion | I would strace it if I were you; 45 minutes is obscene | 11:59 |
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ogra | it only happens on ppc | 11:59 |
Kamion | then again strace is my hammer I apply to all problems, regardless of the cause | 11:59 |
ogra | same build on i386 is done in 4 min | 11:59 |
ogra | well, i tooke the easier way and bought a new laptop :P | 12:00 |
ogra | -e | 12:00 |
doko | hmm, maybe I should use the time until BenC gets awake for the gcc include dir fixes, once and forever ... | 12:02 |
Hobbsee | doko: or just call him and make him fix the world now, immediately :P | 12:02 |
infinity | Okay, mesa failes in ia64 due to the known lkh/gcc disagreement. That's no surprise. Still going on amd64/i386/sparc (I assume sparc will fail too?) | 12:03 |
doko | infinity: new lkh uploaded, which should fix that | 12:03 |
infinity | s/failes/failed/ | 12:03 |
infinity | doko: Oh, keen. I'll retry it later, then. | 12:03 |
doko | I don't know much about the sparc failures | 12:03 |
infinity | Where "later" is "when I pass by my laptop again"... | 12:03 |
Kamion | er - mesa/i386 didn't need rebuilding | 12:03 |
infinity | Err, amd64/powerpc/sparc | 12:04 |
infinity | Brain wrong, soyuz right. Honest. | 12:04 |
infinity | (This time) | 12:04 |
Kamion | not sure about sparc - it hit the same mesa-specific problem as powerpc earlier | 12:04 |
infinity | Ahh, cool. Then maybe it'll complete too. | 12:05 |
Kamion | depends exactly how broken l-k-h is there at the moment | 12:05 |
infinity | It had "some breakage", but I'm slipping in my old age and illness. | 12:05 |
infinity | And maybe it's happy with the current version. | 12:05 |
infinity | amd64 successful. | 12:06 |
doko | hmm, looking at sparc now ... | 12:09 |
siretart | Kamion: re: launchpad beeing confused by xine-lib, shall I do another upload? | 12:13 |
infinity | siretart: No, it's just the UI that's confused. | 12:13 |
infinity | siretart: The archive and the queues seem fine. | 12:13 |
siretart | allright | 12:13 |
infinity | powerpc successful | 12:14 |
siretart | infinity: i'm a bit confused that it still hasn't been built | 12:16 |
infinity | siretart: Working on that now. | 12:16 |
Kamion | siretart: build-wise, the whole world has been very confused since then | 12:21 |
siretart | oh darn.. | 12:22 |
Kamion | but should be more sorted now | 12:22 |
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Kamion | infinity: sparc's got past the previous failure | 12:27 |
infinity | Siffy. | 12:27 |
infinity | spiffy, too. | 12:27 |
infinity | Looks successful even. | 12:28 |
infinity | Now to go do girly things like dye my hair and shower while I wait for publisher goodness. | 12:30 |
doko | infinity: so sparc looks fine, or does it still need some fixes? | 12:30 |
infinity | doko: Looked happy building mesa. If it needs fixes, I'll let people argue about it on Monday. | 12:31 |
Kamion | let's just hope that mesa doesn't hit NEW on those arches | 12:31 |
infinity | Oh, ugh. | 12:31 |
Kamion | hasn't seemed to on powerpc, anyway | 12:31 |
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infinity | We still can't actually manipulate the queue via the web UI, can we? Only view it? | 12:31 |
Kamion | right | 12:31 |
infinity | Dang. :) | 12:31 |
infinity | Here's hoping, then. | 12:32 |
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jono | hey | 12:46 |
sivang | hey jono , what's cracking? | 12:46 |
jono | sivang, nothing much, just catching up on mail before I run out | 12:47 |
sivang | jono: planning to do some stuff out and about? :-) | 12:48 |
jono | sivang, walk dogs, watch superman, have bbq - thats the sum of today :P | 12:48 |
jono | sivang, you up to much ? | 12:48 |
ogra | dogs ? | 12:49 |
ogra | you have multiple ? | 12:49 |
sivang | ogra: he has few of that :) | 12:49 |
ogra | cool | 12:49 |
sivang | jono: Watching some DVDs, maybe some walks outside we'll see :-) | 12:49 |
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jono | ogra, two mini-daschunds :) | 12:50 |
sivang | ogra: I have a boxer mixed with a cocer spinal at my parent's house :) | 12:50 |
sivang | he's a mad-dog! was crazy like hell when he was a pupp | 12:50 |
ogra | jono, heh | 12:51 |
ogra | jono, but youre not a secret german, are you ? ;) | 12:51 |
jono | ogra, not that I am aware of :P | 12:51 |
ogra | heh | 12:51 |
ogra | in germany the dachshund owners are the guys who mow their lawn with a nail scissor :) | 12:52 |
ogra | i only met sane non german dachhund owners in my life :) | 12:53 |
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infinity | doko: Oh, the sparc issue is missing sparc64/asm stuff. See the build failure for gcj-4.1: | 01:14 |
infinity | http://librarian.launchpad.net/3421827/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-sparc.gcj-4.1_4.1.1-8ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 01:14 |
doko | infinity: yes, that was the old lkh, should be fixed now. | 01:15 |
infinity | doko: Fixed as of -5.10.1? | 01:15 |
doko | -5.10 | 01:15 |
infinity | That build used -5.10 | 01:16 |
doko | hmm | 01:16 |
doko | starting a test build. it *should* work | 01:21 |
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Hobbsee | Launchpad will be going offline for maintenance in nine minutes. | 02:09 |
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elmo | *.ubuntu.com, launchpad.net etc. are going offline for a couple of minutes for some necessary maintenance | 03:16 |
elmo | (back) | 03:18 |
mjg59 | Would people please stop assigning bugs to "acpi"? | 03:23 |
mjg59 | apt-cache show acpi should give you a clue as to why this is a bad idea | 03:23 |
Lathiat | heh | 03:23 |
ogra | hmm, with ohci_hcd loaded my lappie only does usb 1.1 ... with ehci_hcd loaded it does 2.0 ... with both loaded it does 1.1 only and ignores the ehci driver completely ... weird | 03:25 |
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sladen | ogra: which order did you load them? | 03:30 |
ogra | sladen, the kernel (or udev ?) did | 03:30 |
ogra | i didnt load them at all ... but if i remove both and load ehci it works fine ... | 03:31 |
ogra | seems i'm not alone | 03:32 |
ogra | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=446472 | 03:32 |
ogra | same laptop, same prob | 03:32 |
ogra | intrestingly *everything else* on this laptop works, even the hotkeys etc .. out of the box in edgy... the above actually seems to be the only problem | 03:34 |
sladen | ogra: have you had a peek in the kernel to see if any of the other HP's already have workarounds | 03:40 |
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ogra | nope | 03:40 |
ogra | not yet ... | 03:41 |
ogra | doko, any thoughts about http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=27227#c8 ? kino suffers from it ... will it be reverted in gcc or do we have to wait for a kino rewrite ? | 03:54 |
Ubugtu | gcc.gnu.org bug 27227 in c++ "[4.0 Regression] rejects valid code with some extern "C"" [Normal,New] | 03:54 |
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ogra | Keybuk, | 04:26 |
ogra | good afternoon :) | 04:26 |
Keybuk | hidihi | 04:27 |
ogra | did you ever boot with splash and quiet options turned off since the switch to dash ? | 04:27 |
ogra | i have a ton of "open: failed" messages here | 04:27 |
Keybuk | "failed" ? | 04:28 |
ogra | havet dug deeper yet | 04:28 |
ogra | something like that | 04:28 |
Keybuk | I fixed the last round of "No such file or directory" errors, I thought | 04:28 |
ogra | i havent got the original message here | 04:28 |
ogra | but it seems to affect every bootscrpt | 04:28 |
Keybuk | yeah. it'd be usplash_write bitching | 04:29 |
ogra | so i suspect something like the lsb functions that is in every script | 04:29 |
ogra | or usplash :) | 04:29 |
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Kamion | ahh, totem/i386 built finally | 07:03 |
Kamion | so after this publisher run, gnome-python-extras/powerpc can be given back | 07:03 |
ogra | sigh, and i still dont know what to do about kino | 07:04 |
Kamion | is it that hard to fix? | 07:05 |
ogra | http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=27227 | 07:05 |
Ubugtu | gcc.gnu.org bug 27227 in c++ "[4.0 Regression] rejects valid code with some extern "C"" [Normal,New] | 07:05 |
Kamion | yes I know | 07:05 |
ogra | its not a kino bug imho | 07:05 |
Kamion | that's not my reading of the bug | 07:05 |
Kamion | the point being made there is that gcc point releases shouldn't reject previously working code | 07:06 |
ogra | well, the bug is to introduce breaking changes in a minor version bump | 07:06 |
Kamion | nobody is suggesting (AIUI) that the rejection is invalid | 07:06 |
Kamion | so it is BOTH a gcc and a kino bug | 07:06 |
ogra | sure | 07:06 |
ogra | but at the moment my reading is that gcc is at fault | 07:06 |
infinity | So fixing kino is still worth the effort anyway. | 07:06 |
Kamion | fastest course of action from your point of view is to fix kino | 07:06 |
Kamion | and that's also the best long-term action | 07:06 |
infinity | gcc is not at fault for the code being broken, only for the FTBFS happening a few months sooner than you'd hoped. | 07:06 |
Kamion | ogra: no, BOTH gcc and kino are at fault | 07:07 |
ogra | yes | 07:07 |
ogra | but if we use gcc we shouldnt introduce that "feature" | 07:07 |
ogra | we reverted stuff in other areas before because of this ... i.e. the next-server option in dhcpd | 07:07 |
Kamion | I'm not arguing that the gcc change shouldn't be reverted - I don't have enough knowledge there really - but you should definitely fix kino, and there should be no harm in just doing it now | 07:08 |
infinity | Err, even if the change gets reverted in gcc-4.1.2, it WILL land in 4.2.0 | 07:08 |
Kamion | ogra: there's no excuse for not bothering to fix stuff like this near the start of a release cycle, honestly | 07:08 |
infinity | So either way, kino needs to get fixed. | 07:08 |
Kamion | if it were near the end, I'd agree with you | 07:08 |
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ogra | Kamion, i dont say kino should stay buggy :) | 07:08 |
Kamion | yes you do, repeatedly | 07:09 |
Kamion | you keep saying it's gcc's fault, and that it should be reverted, and that you don't know what to do | 07:09 |
infinity | You seem to be implying that gcc should get reverted, and you should sitck your head in the sand about the kino bug until upstream deals with it. | 07:09 |
infinity | I'm saying that both should get fixed. | 07:09 |
infinity | I'm sure doko will revert the gcc change, but that's no excuse for not fixing kino. | 07:09 |
Kamion | it's 13 packages according to tbm, that's easy to blitz | 07:10 |
Kamion | then no more problem when gcc 4.2 arrives | 07:10 |
ogra | sure | 07:10 |
ogra | what i meant is that i'd prefer upstream to dea with it (kino upstream is usually responsive) instead of introducing a patch we dont need *yet* | 07:11 |
ogra | sure kino should also be fixed | 07:11 |
Kamion | the big blocks of code inside extern "C" in kino are a bit weird, I must say | 07:12 |
ogra | yep | 07:13 |
Kamion | my C++ is not what it used to be, but that's not the way I'd have done it ... | 07:13 |
Kamion | hmm, I wonder what to do about libfam0 showing up in anastacia output | 07:14 |
Kamion | it's because gamin's shlibs got changed to say libfam0 for linkage against libfam | 07:14 |
ogra | do any KDE parts still use it ? | 07:14 |
ogra | ah | 07:14 |
Kamion | maybe change the shlibs to say libgamin0 | libfam0? | 07:14 |
Kamion | it can sort of be worked around in the seeds but not really - fam would still get pulled into main due to build-depends | 07:16 |
Kamion | (just tried that) | 07:16 |
mjg59 | Oh argh. | 07:16 |
mjg59 | New hal needs new udev = pain | 07:16 |
Kamion | Scott's working on new udev | 07:16 |
ogra | oh fun | 07:16 |
mjg59 | Yeah | 07:16 |
Kamion | but post-knot-1 I think | 07:16 |
mjg59 | I was sort of planning on doing upstream hal hacking, but that looks awkward right now | 07:17 |
ogra | Kamion, wasnt there some corner case with nfs mounted home or something wheer you needed fam for nautilus instead of gamin ? | 07:17 |
Kamion | dunno ... | 07:17 |
mjg59 | If you want notifications for file alterations over nfs, you need fam | 07:17 |
Kamion | I suppose getting gnome-vfs2 to explicitly use libgamin would work too, maybe, but I don't know enough for that | 07:17 |
mjg59 | On both server and client | 07:17 |
ogra | yep, thats what i remember ... there was a reason for fam in main ... | 07:18 |
Kamion | fam isn't in main | 07:18 |
Kamion | it hasn't been in main since warty | 07:19 |
ogra | oh | 07:19 |
mjg59 | Oh, maybe I can just get away with volumeid | 07:19 |
ogra | the i remember wrong i guess ... | 07:19 |
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Kamion | no symbol differences between libfam.so.0 and libgamin-1.so.0 | 07:20 |
Kamion | I'll wait until seb128 is around and ask him, I guess | 07:21 |
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Kamion | anyone doing l-r-m for -5? | 07:32 |
fabbione | Kamion: gamin and fam exports the exact same API/ABI | 07:33 |
Kamion | yeah | 07:33 |
fabbione | only the underneath code is different | 07:33 |
fabbione | i am 100% sure about it | 07:33 |
Kamion | well, I've filed a bug, seb128 can look when he's back | 07:34 |
Kamion | (l-r-m> I just realised it's blocking d-i) | 07:35 |
Kamion | oh well, sucking down the source package ... | 07:37 |
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fabbione | iirc l-r-m only needs one change in the debian/rules for the ABI | 07:37 |
Kamion | nod | 07:38 |
fabbione | i didn't touch that stuff in ages tho | 07:38 |
fabbione | there are some scary things like control.stub control.in and control | 07:38 |
Laser_away | hmm, these Debian .pdiffs seem to make update'ing significantly longer if you have updated for a while | 07:41 |
Kamion | ok, l-r-m source uploaded | 07:46 |
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HiddenWolf | Kamion, so get offline, like sensible people do | 07:47 |
HiddenWolf | Kamion, check out the sun, you know | 07:47 |
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AlinuxOS | mjg59, hello | 08:05 |
AlinuxOS | mjg59, ping (can I disturb you in private?) | 08:05 |
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doko | hmm, BenC did wake up sooner than I thought ... | 08:34 |
doko | ogra, infinity, Kamion: 27227 is reverted for the next upload, will wait for the new linux-kernel-headers first | 08:35 |
ogra | doko, that means before the CD ? | 08:36 |
doko | well, Mithrandir is not online, we're technically frozen ... so maybe Kamion could give an opinion ... | 08:37 |
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BenC | is there a quick fix for the missing "fixed fonts" x problem? | 08:39 |
sladen | BenC: for breezy->dapper it was just the case of a symlink; the same should probably work | 08:39 |
sladen | BenC: I think it's just down to the fonts landing in a different location | 08:40 |
ogra | BenC, run mkfontdir in /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/ | 08:40 |
ogra | sladen, nope | 08:40 |
ogra | its a missing font.dir file | 08:40 |
sladen | ogra: ooh, even simpler. | 08:40 |
BenC | ogra: yay, that worked...thanks | 08:41 |
ogra | update-font-dir ignores the new paths | 08:41 |
BenC | time to switch to X | 08:42 |
doko | hmm, that was short ... | 08:42 |
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doko | BenC: does the linux-source upload include the /usr/include/{ppc64,powerpc64}-linux-gnu directories? | 08:46 |
Kamion | doko: go ahead if that's the only change | 08:46 |
BenC | doko: no, for ppc there is only asm/ | 08:46 |
BenC | since it's all the same directory, that's the way hdrinstall creates it | 08:47 |
doko | BenC: so there's nothing installed in /usr/include/{ppc64,powerpc64}-linux-gnu ? ok. | 08:47 |
doko | and on ia64 and hppa? | 08:47 |
BenC | the only arches that have multiple asm is x86_64, i386 and sparc | 08:48 |
doko | BenC: and sparc includes all headers this time? | 08:48 |
BenC | yeah | 08:48 |
doko | cool | 08:48 |
BenC | hdrinstall actually uses the stub asm files like sparc used to, where asm/foo.h will include asm-sparc/foo.h or asm-sparc64/foo.h depending on a compiler define | 08:49 |
BenC | same for x86_64/i386 | 08:49 |
BenC | it builds the files like that and i just copy {asm*,linux} to get everything needed | 08:50 |
doko | Kamion: there are other changes, I'll test-build the compiler on sparc, ppc64 and amd64 first. | 08:50 |
BenC | 4 arches building, and no failure yet, so I'm hopeful this will be good :) | 08:51 |
doko | BenC: not for now, but I would like to see lkh still built as a separate source package, so I don't have a kernel dependency when bootstrapping the toolchain. would that be doable? | 08:52 |
BenC | doko: if we split the source, then we should have stuck with the lkh package we had, but I'm not opposed to something build-dep'ing on linux-source-2.6.17 .deb and using that to create it | 08:54 |
BenC | it's easy to do something like "make -C /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.17 O=build-tmp/ ...", which is how I'm creating the stuff now (you could rip my make rules for linux-kernel-headers and use them standalone) | 08:56 |
doko | BenC: ok. not for now, just in the case we want to rebuild the archive with a clean/new toolchain | 08:57 |
doko | I thought that the current lkh packages were built not directly from the linux-source package, but were modified | 08:58 |
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ThunderStruck | BenC: i opened that kernel panic bug up cause its happening on 2.6.17-5 but following the instructions you gave on it worked again ;) ty | 09:30 |
ThunderStruck | bug 52416 | 09:31 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 52416 in kernel-package "Kernel panic on startup" [Untriaged,In progress] http://launchpad.net/bugs/52416 | 09:31 |
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BenC | Thunder: ok, thanks | 09:37 |
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mdz | ubuntu-desktop ought to be installable on amd64 again after this publisher run | 10:15 |
mdz | working on powerpc now | 10:15 |
Fjodor | Has anything been changed in update-grub lately? It seems to disregard my defaultopts and set it back to quiet and splash. Has a report been filed about that? | 10:17 |
mdz | Fjodor: make sure you've read the comments in the file | 10:18 |
mdz | bug 21412 | 10:18 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 21412 in grub "Default update-grub behaviour is not intuitive" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/21412 | 10:18 |
Fjodor | Hmmm, this time no foul. Could it be related to the fact that I build edgy kernel packages? As the comments say, I edit #defoptions, which should stay the same, and be applied to all default entries | 10:22 |
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Fjodor | So, what I gather from the bug reports is, that most (me at first too) edit the entries directly. I don't (anymore) | 10:25 |
Fjodor | Anyway, I'll report back, when my next kernel build is done and installed, since the problem didn't arise on a random update-grub with no new kernels installed. Thanks so far | 10:27 |
Fjodor | Hmmm, seems like the problem disappeared again. How about that, huh. But thanks for your help | 10:35 |
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danny | hello how to find the maintainer of a package if the one referenced is the wrong person e.g. the original debian developer | 10:36 |
Riddell | danny: we don't have maintainers, the changelog is a good indication of people with experience | 10:36 |
danny | where i find the changelog ? | 10:37 |
sladen | danny: debian/changelog in the package or http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/ | 10:38 |
sladen | did the linux-headers issue get fixed, and if so what's the best way to force a rebuild of a package so that it doesn't FTBFS now? | 10:39 |
sladen | upload a ...build1 ? | 10:39 |
ogra | ask a ubuntu-archive admin to give it back ? | 10:40 |
Riddell | sladen: ping keybuk or infinity, or upload build1 if they're not around and you can't wait until monday | 10:41 |
ogra | (if it doesnt get retried automatically anyway, LP has fancy new features there iirc) | 10:41 |
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danny | well the chanlogs also reference allways the debian maintainer and reflect also the new versions which seem not availible through apt | 10:42 |
sladen | danny: what package are you looking at? | 10:43 |
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danny | grsync | 10:46 |
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ogra | thats only maintined in debian ... its not been touched by any ubuntu deveoper | 10:48 |
ogra | *developer | 10:48 |
danny | well but it is in an ubutu repository and only with an old version | 10:49 |
ogra | 0.4.3-2 is the latest we have | 10:50 |
crimsun | new version will be synced in. We've been blocked on kernel+libc+lkh issues, so I wouldn't hold my breath for the new version to be available in Edgy quite yet. | 10:50 |
ogra | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/grsync shows that it isnt built yet | 10:50 |
ogra | oh, no, i'm wrong it is | 10:51 |
danny | I see only 0.1.2 | 10:51 |
ogra | https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/225389 | 10:51 |
ogra | dapper has only 0.1.x | 10:52 |
danny | is there any problem updating this? | 10:52 |
ogra | which the above url tells you | 10:53 |
ogra | well, we usually dont upgrade packages in a release without a very hard reason ... (i.e., the current versin wipes your HD) | 10:53 |
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ogra | but you can ask the backports team | 10:53 |
crimsun | file a bug on the source package, subscribe ubuntu-backports | 10:54 |
ogra | https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-backports | 10:54 |
ogra | or mail them ;) | 10:54 |
danny | well if dapper has support for the next 5 years, i don't understand why not the repository is constantly updated... this is what i would expect | 10:55 |
crimsun | LTS != constantly updated. | 10:56 |
danny | and what does the term backport mean? I would expect features which hae exist in older ubuntu versions to be backported to the new... what has this to do with normal software matureing processes? | 10:58 |
BenC | danny: You can't keep something stable by constantly updating it | 10:58 |
ogra | danny, backporting == building a package from a newer version for an older system | 10:59 |
BenC | danny: our normal development cycle is for people that want "new features", LTS is for people that want a stable and consistent platform for a long term commitment | 10:59 |
danny | hmm... doesn't 0.4.3 sound better than 0.1.3? | 11:00 |
BenC | we don't have "sounds good" as a reason in our bug reporting system | 11:00 |
danny | when I install grsync 0.1.3 and want to have 0.4.3 - can i yust try to compile myself (and overwirting the 0.1.3 files with make install)? | 11:01 |
BenC | you could get the 0.4.3 package and recompile on your system | 11:01 |
BenC | that's basically a backport | 11:01 |
ogra | i'd rather take the source package from edgy and build that | 11:01 |
danny | how to do that? | 11:02 |
crimsun | #ubuntu-motu can help with that | 11:02 |
BenC | there's lots of docs in ubuntu and debian on how to rebuild packages | 11:02 |
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danny | what is this motu channel for? | 11:02 |
crimsun | packaging software in universe and multiverse components | 11:03 |
danny | ok... thanks for now | 11:03 |
JanC | danny: there is a manual for (re)building packages on help.ubuntu.com | 11:09 |
Kamion | http://librarian.launchpad.net/3426551/buildlog_ubuntu-edgy-i386.linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17_2.6.17.1-6_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz <-- gar | 11:10 |
Kamion | similarly amd64 | 11:11 |
BenC | where did that build come from? | 11:11 |
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crimsun | Kamion did | 11:11 |
BenC | I'll check it out | 11:11 |
BenC | oh wow, that's an ugly build | 11:12 |
Kamion | I did, but it was just s/4/5/ on the abinum | 11:12 |
BenC | ok, I'll do a build here and see what's up | 11:12 |
Kamion | /build/buildd/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17-2.6.17.1/debian/build/2.6.17-5-386/madwifi/ath_hal/../include/compat.h:71:22: error: asm/page.h: No such file or directory | 11:12 |
Kamion | is the first failure | 11:12 |
Kamion | I also believe that's the largest number of compiler errors I've ever seen on a single file | 11:13 |
crimsun | wow. | 11:14 |
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sladen | ...all from just #include <linux/module.h> | 11:24 |
Kamion | ogra: re kino, it builds fine if you just stick extern "C" { ... } around the KinoCommon *common declaration in src/kino_common.h; I don't know if that's the best fix and it should certainly go upstream for comments, but that fix should be workable for now | 11:26 |
Kamion | (oh, you should test that it works too after that - I haven't) | 11:27 |
ogra | Kamion, ok, will fix it if i arrive in the old house ... i'll do my weekly drive through the country soon ... | 11:27 |
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Kamion | mdz: damn, if you'd said, I'm pretty sure I could have resurrected gnome-applets on powerpc | 11:38 |
Kamion | unfortunately I didn't notice until after your upload, so never mind now | 11:39 |
Kamion | it's sitting in /srv/launchpad.net/builddmaster/accepted/20060713-160720-227962-183933/ | 11:39 |
doko | Kamion: please requeue gcc-3.4 on powerpc and sparc, xulrunner on amd64 | 11:49 |
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sladen | Kamion: and wxwidgets2.6 on all | 11:51 |
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mdz | Kamion: that's odd; locate on drescher didn't find it | 11:53 |
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