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[12:49] it's past dinstall, it'll get installed tomorrow [12:49] in about 20 hours [12:50] great [12:50] have you seen the Ubuntu patches? [12:51] (we can sync from incoming if you need it synced) [12:52] well, it won't hurt to wait [12:52] surely won't [12:54] I'm just excited, that's all [12:54] time to snarf some patches [12:54] it's the app that could make my department turn to linux :-) [12:55] mwuahahaha [12:55] LaserJock: I synced with Ubuntu in 1.91-3 [12:56] azeem: ok, great. I hope we did things ok on the Ubuntu end [12:56] the more I work on Ubuntu the more I hate divergence [12:57] ok, I don't get the difference between Build-Depends and Build-Depends-Indep [12:57] Build-Depends-Indep is only useful if you build both binary-arch and binary-indep pacakges [12:58] you can put stuff in there which is needed during the build-indep: target [12:58] like tetex, jadetex, sgml stuff, etc. [12:59] hmm, so if a package has only binary-indep? [01:00] everything needed for clean: has to be in Build-Depends [01:00] right [01:00] and everything else in Build-Depends-Indep? [01:00] so I guess it makes no sense to split it up into B-D and B-D-I in those cases [01:01] I don't quit understand how to seperate what's Build-Depends and B-D-I === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:01] I'm here [01:01] cbx33: welcome back [01:01] hi azeem [01:01] I understand that B-D is for clean [01:01] LaserJock: I'd rather say B-D is for everything [01:01] well, yes [01:02] except for additional stuff needed for binary-all packages, like building documentation [01:02] but the difference between B-D and B-D-I seems to be mostly in the clean rule [01:02] that's just an artefact of policy IMHO [01:02] k [01:03] ok, so the Policy footnote has: If you make "build-indep" or "binary-indep", you need Build-Depends and Build-Depends-Indep. [01:03] hrm [01:03] so do you put everything but what is needed in clean: in B-D-I? [01:05] I *kinda* understand the difference between B-D and B-D-I but I don't quite get how you tell what to put in each [01:05] and I'm completely lost on both [01:06] http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html [01:06] LaserJock: both Build-Depends and Build-Depends-Indep (if present) need to be satisfied at build: === Heretician [i=Heretici@69-162-126-203.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:06] right [01:06] so most libfoo-dev are for Build-Depends [01:06] only B-D at clean [01:07] while the debhelper/cdbs/dpatch etc. stuff is needed at clean [01:07] unfortunately, there's no destinction between the two [01:08] but you can't put the libfoo-dev (which isn't needed at clean) into B-D-I, that would break debian/rules build-arch [01:08] if present [01:08] cbx33: because you migrated B-D -> B-D-I in debian/control, you need to make the corresponding adjustments in debian/rules [01:08] ok [01:08] can you help me with that [01:09] everything has been moved to build-indep [01:09] ok, so I'm guess (from the Policy and lintian output) that if you are using binary-indep you should put the all the deps in B-D-I except those needed for the clean rule [01:09] which would be debhelper? [01:09] at least in cbx33's case were he has no binary-dep [01:09] cbx33: right [01:11] so i need build-depends [01:11] note that the point of B-D-I was to avoid having to install those on the autobuilders [01:11] and build-depends-indep [01:11] IMHO it's fine to just have everything in B-D for pure Arch: all packages, but maybe there is a rule against [01:12] cbx33: things like cdbs, debhelper, and python should not be B-D-I [01:12] cbx33: things like python-all-dev and python-central should be B-D-I [01:13] ok [01:13] cbx33: I think you problem was because you had some stuff in binary-indep and some stuf in binary-arch [01:13] when you should have all of it in binary-indep === MatthewV [n=MatthewV@CPE-139-168-227-97.wa.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:14] :S:S:S [01:14] crimsun, did you say I should split them [01:14] and LaserJock did you say I shoulnd't? [01:14] not exactly [01:14] you /should/ split them. [01:15] crimsun: binary-indep and binary-arch in debian/rules? [01:16] I'm referring to debian/control atm [01:16] I'll look at debian/rules now [01:16] yeah, I get that [01:16] thanks crimsun === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-167-180.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:17] heh, there's a fairly nice way to avoid it if you'd like [01:17] switch to cdbs ;) [01:17] lol [01:18] that built fine [01:18] make it disapper through magic [01:18] so I've edited the control file [01:18] what am I doing with rules [01:19] cbx33: can you pastebin your control and rules files? [01:19] yes [01:19] http://pastebin.ca/88444 [01:20] hmm, I wonder how easy that would be with CDBS? a 2-3 liner? [01:20] LaserJock, don;t even go there [01:20] we can do that later === cbx33 is about to cry [01:21] no, it'd be about 10 lines === redguy_ [n=mati@acs234.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:21] cbx33: hehe [01:21] you'd need to redef binary-install [01:21] ah [01:21] can you mod the pastebin? [01:21] then I can copy and paste out === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:22] (cdbs would need binary-install redefined for dh_pycentral and dh_python) [01:22] hmph [01:22] really? I thought they magified it or something [01:22] cbx33: ok, that looks sane to me [01:22] crimsun: what do you think? [01:23] he needs to run lintian [01:23] I think it may barf on dh_py* being in binary-indep, which would make sense [01:24] hmmm [01:24] because of the compiling? [01:24] pete@ubuntu:~/gisomount-build2$ lintian gisomount_1.0.1-0ubuntu1.dsc [01:24] W: gisomount source: newer-standards-version 3.7.2 [01:24] pete@ubuntu:~/gisomount-build2$ [01:24] really need to clarify w/ doko [01:24] I've seen python-central used in both B-D-I and B-D [01:24] I'll upload what I have now shall I? [01:25] cbx33: sure [01:25] ok [01:25] uploaded [01:25] I'll await your approval guys [01:26] thanks for the ehlp LaserJock and crimsun [01:27] haha, is that the British pronunciation, "ehlp"? :-) [01:27] heheheh:p [01:27] oi [01:28] I'll buy you both a beer if I get to the next dev summit === geser [n=michael@85.25.104.150] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:29] I'm off to bed [01:29] k, have a good sleep knowing that gisomount is much closer to being in Universe [01:29] LaserJock, http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/gisomount-0607141620/lintian [01:29] see the top error [01:29] that happened when I changed it to edgy [01:29] is that ok? [01:30] yeah [01:30] lintian doesn't know about edgy [01:30] W: gisomount source: build-depends-without-arch-dep [01:30] is the only issue to resolve [01:32] it's resolved, right? [01:32] no [01:32] that's the latest lintian [01:32] http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/gisomount-0607141925/lintian [01:32] but it doesn't show when I run it on my local machine [01:33] oh [01:33] ok [01:33] you didn't go to the latest upload [01:33] i was wrong [01:33] :D [01:33] it's now Ubuntu lintian/linda clean ;-) [01:33] by-run, yes. But semantically, we should check w/ doko [01:34] ok [01:34] are you going to wait to upload until that is checked? [01:35] it's probably better to get it right the first time then have to upload a new package [01:35] I'm not sure what time doko will be around [01:36] but it shouldn't take too long to get it settled, and if anybody can settle it it'd be doko === lbm [n=lbm@82.192.173.92] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock_ [n=laserjoc@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:42] ok cool [01:42] I think I have another pacakge I want put in universe [01:42] well two [01:42] one is mine [01:42] the other ...isn't [01:42] but I'll get to that later [01:43] grasynco? [01:43] that's one [01:43] the other is the midisport-firmware package from sourceforge [01:43] would be great for mucisians [01:43] <_ion> Amen to that. [01:44] _ion, you have a midisport? [01:44] I don;t know if there are redistribution issues [01:44] but I'll definitely look into it [01:44] err, debhelper's listed in both B-D and B-D-I :) [01:45] midisport-firmware-0606251930/ [01:45] <_ion> cbx33: I just installed the firmware uploader to a friend's computer a few days ago. :-) Personally i use pure hardware for making music, not software. [01:45] upid=2505 === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:46] heheh [01:46] :D [01:48] right nn all [01:49] err [01:49] I was reviewing that one [01:49] oh well === redguy [n=mati@afd67.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kyral_ [n=kyral@HyperDream.powers.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === NthDegree [n=NthDegre@212-1-147-212.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === stratus [n=ubuntu@200217140088.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === NthDegree [n=NthDegre@212-1-147-212.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nexu [n=nexu@a80-126-56-145.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:47] hey [02:47] <_ion> Bono estente. [02:48] <_ion> ajmitch: Online? [02:49] partly [02:51] <_ion> ajmitch: Have you noticed the patch i posted to bug #36531? [02:51] Malone bug 36531 in f-spot "f-spot-screensaver and gnome-screensaver don't mix" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/36531 [02:51] yes, and I'd already made that change locally [02:52] thanks anyway [02:52] <_ion> Nice, thanks. [03:00] this is annoying [03:01] anyone have a work around for the fonts fixed mess in edgy? [03:01] well, you could just use non-ttf fonts [03:01] err, non-ttf [03:01] yay redundancy [03:02] why i outta...:) [03:03] <_ion> RAID-1 for IRC, yay. [03:03] <_ion> RAID-1 for IRC, yay. === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === h3sp4wn_ [n=samw@unaffiliated/h3sp4wn] has joined #ubuntu-motu === CarlFK [n=carl@c-67-163-39-124.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Heretician [i=Heretici@69-162-126-203.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-30.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === BazziR [n=Bastian@p50804001.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === teferra [n=chatzill@242.80-202-202.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === theCore_ [n=alex@modemcable240.218-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] In rosetta if a translation team has not given a contact e-mail adress a message sent to the team is sent to all members. What is the adress of the team or where one sends the message then??ubuntu-l10n-ln@launchpad.net? === Heretician [i=Heretici@69-162-126-203.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tuxmaniac [n=aanjhan@unaffiliated/tuxmaniac] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === polpak [n=polpak@ip68-6-43-90.sb.sd.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Heretician [i=Heretici@69-162-126-203.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:09] darn, sometimes the internet just bites === Heretician [i=Heretici@69-162-126-203.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:12] lol [05:13] my father-in-law got scammed out of $4000 his first time on Ebay :( [05:13] damm [05:13] poor guy === _jaldhar is now known as jaldhar [05:13] no buyer protection ? [05:13] apparently somebody sent an email scam off of something he was bidding on (a truck) [05:14] so it *looked* like Ebay [05:14] ouch [05:14] ouch [05:15] mental note dont trust the internet [05:15] heh [05:15] so he bid and the seller had a good rating and everything [05:15] and he was outbid [05:16] but then he got an email, supposedly from the seller, saying that the winner had backed out and so he was the new winner [05:16] they sent Ebay forms and all kinds of stuff [05:16] sounds pretty involved [05:16] oh damn yea [05:16] i guess people will do anything for money [05:19] i wouldnt trust ebay === fowlduck [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@68-190-90-101.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:31] ajmitch: my fan before sounds nothing like how sick it sounds right now :P [05:31] hi all [05:31] hi Hobbsee === Heretician [i=Heretici@69-162-126-203.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:43] anyone know how to have a pbuilder in a different architecture to the one you're building on? === Hobbsee cant seem to see it in the documentation [05:44] export DEBIAN_BUILDARCH=athlon [05:44] Uses this variable as DEBIAN_BUILDARCH. This trick can be used [05:44] for other environmental variables as well. [05:44] mayb [05:44] e [05:45] Hobbsee: what arch do you have and what do you want? [05:45] LaserJock: amd64, i want to build stuff in i386 for breezy and dapper [05:46] well, the machine i'm building on is amd64, it's not mine :P [05:46] Does anyone here speak german? [05:46] FunnyLookinHat: only a little, why? [05:46] Hobbsee, I found someone who has created MythTV .19 dapper packages already, and it would save me a ton of wasted effort if he is willing to submit them to REVU [05:47] But I think he speaks only german... [05:47] FunnyLookinHat: ah, my german would cover none of those topics. and are the packages any good? [05:48] Hobbsee, they are the packages that everone in #mythtv-users seem to suggest for ubuntu, and they all say they work great. I am going to have a friend test them for me since I dont have my tv card anymore [05:48] Hobbsee, he's created them correctly with all the right changelog formatting and stuff [05:48] Hobbsee, http://hamsta.net/mythtv/files/dapper/ [05:48] FunnyLookinHat: ah okay. just because they "work" doesnt make them get into repositories as such [05:48] that is his deb repo === Hobbsee looks [05:49] Hobbsee, I understand this. But as it is ubuntu multiverse REALLY needs to get the new versiion of mythtv in there because it has a TON of changes and bug fixes [05:49] lots of new features too [05:49] Hobbsee: you can pass --arch i386 to debootstrap so I would think you would be able to do something in pbuilder [05:49] LaserJock: cool, okay [05:52] Hobbsee: possibly --debootstrapopts --arch i386 [05:52] FunnyLookinHat: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18054 It'll need a fair bit of work. === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:53] Hobbsee, Myabe I should just build the packages from the start? [05:53] very interesting versioning, too [05:53] FunnyLookinHat: that's more painful, i'd take chunks of that current package, and fix it. [05:53] well, take out the .svn and it isn't too bad ;-) [05:53] and version it properly, yeah [05:53] Hobbsee, heh, well I guess I'll give it a try. I have to go for now though. Thanks for the info! [05:54] FunnyLookinHat: lintian is your friend. lintian *.dsc [05:54] are you coordinating with MOTUMedia for mythtv? [05:55] i.e., join the LP team, etc. === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Heretician [i=Heretici@69-162-126-203.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Heretician [i=Heretici@69-162-126-203.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Rotund [n=joe@207-118-201-209.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:24] crimsun, Yea, I'm trying to get in contact with MOTUMedia - They really should be heading up where I take this [07:25] I know it's a bad time to go looking around for people who are on the MOTUteam, hah. Maybe tommorow : ) === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:48] any MOTU's around? [07:52] apparently not. ; ) [07:54] yeah, probably not [07:54] what about MOTUWannabes, do they count? [07:54] I am holding off on my annoying questions till later [07:54] LOL [07:55] nice rob [07:55] :) [07:55] rob: no, not unless you have upload rights. [07:55] hehe [07:55] no [07:55] seeing as MOTU candidates dont either (bring on wednesday!) [08:01] hi everybody [08:06] hey Toadstool! [08:07] hi Hobbsee === heretician [n=heretici@69-162-118-5.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-30.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:41] What is the package called that will automatically install all apps needed for Packaging? === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@easyubuntu/docteam/kgoetz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:45] heretician: apt-get build-dep foo? [08:45] heretician: oh...ah, build-essential devscripts lintian [08:45] just install them as you need them [08:45] pbuilder [08:46] I wanted that package because it seemed to just plainly cover every one of them [08:46] and/or install every one of them, but I have a fairly large HD so i'm okay [08:46] heretician: no you dont. [08:46] :P [08:46] 1TB!? [08:48] build-essential was correct, thanks. And I don't have 1TB, just over 80gb actually heh heh [08:49] like i say, you dont really want the entire archive on your machine [08:49] heretician: actually, i think if you apt-get build-dep openoffice.org on your machine, you get pretty close :P === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@ppp233-39.lns3.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:56] Time to learn Packaging :) [08:57] heretician: sounds good. === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-248-203.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:08] hm. did someone here do the last amap upl9oad? [09:08] its kinda broken :| === teferra [n=chatzill@242.80-202-202.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:14] Kamping_Kaiser: define broken, and are you meaning for edgy? [09:15] Hobbsee, yes, edgy. broken meaning 'cant install because its looking for website for updated fingerprints and cant find it' [09:15] Kamping_Kaiser: ah. fix it? [09:16] Hobbsee, no, htats your job :P [09:16] Kamping_Kaiser: hah. i've been fighting with pbuilder on a remote machine. that's my job :) === Hobbsee won. [09:16] "Then proceed to look for the package using apt-cache tool." -- Any chance theres a guide on using the apt-cache tool, or is it really easy and that's why I got no explanation in this guide? [09:16] yay :) [09:16] s/pbuilder/multiple pbuilders === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c211-28-178-169.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:16] heretician: man apt-cache? or apt-cache -h [09:17] heretician: options i use most are apt-cache search foo or apt-cache show foo [09:17] Just says apt-cache :P [09:17] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware [09:17] heretician: apt-cache has many things it can do - so if it says apt-cache, see all of it [09:18] I guess it's talking about apt-cache search [09:19] i'd say so [09:20] sudo apt-get build-dep - will that also show the location of the dependencies installed on your system? Like if ya need to add those dependencies to the package. [09:21] heretician: er, it'll show you the ones that arent installed, and give you teh otpion to install them [09:21] Even better :) [09:22] heretician: you'd have to look at debian/control in the source, or apt-cache show foo, to get all the dependancies it wants to build [09:22] apt-cache showsrc foo to get the Build-Depends [09:23] bug 53041 fwiw [09:23] Malone bug 53041 in amap "fails install trying to connect to unknown host" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/53041 [09:25] StevenK: ah, is that it. i'll have to remember htat === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:26] Yall wouldnt mind if I keep my packaging-related questions directed to this channel instead of #ubuntu would you? Ubuntu seems to be already too filled up with.. everything else. [09:27] heretician: yeah, that's what this is here for. mostly. [09:28] well, it's more repo packaging than general packaging, but it's otherwise quiet [09:28] After I learn general packaging, i'll be moving on to repo packaging ;) [09:28] hehe [09:33] "Another technique to determine which package to use is using the auto-apt tool or the apt-file tool (auto-apt might be faster)." [09:34] By any chance could that be translated into more.. plain english [09:34] it just jumped from needing build-dependencies installed in the package, to needing packages installed in the package === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:42] morning [09:42] hi phanatic [09:43] hey Hobbsee [09:43] heretician: auto-apt can get things wrong. [09:45] er [09:45] I'll delete it then :P === Arbiter [n=arbiter@adsl-195-67.37-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:55] What about checkinstall? [09:55] heretician: checkinstall is Very Evil (tm) [09:55] :( [09:55] It looked helpful too [09:55] dernit [09:55] it's not. [09:56] well, itis, partially. [09:56] it's still evil. [09:56] ha [09:56] point made then [09:56] mainly because of the wya it's used. [09:56] ooowww don't talk about checkinstall or alien [09:56] instead of sodu make you will be using sudo checkinstall, the package can be easily removed now with sudo dpkg -r packagename or by synaptic === Hobbsee shudders. dont mention those two in the same sentence! === Arbiter feels sick === Hobbsee makes a mental note to slaughter whoever fixed checkinstall. the segfault was so good! [09:57] let's see if the REVU keyring was refreshed [09:57] ;) [09:57] heretician: yeah, it is good for that - for your own system. but most people try to distribute them, and then they become Highly Evil (tm), and Ought To Be Shot (tm) [09:58] Arbiter: did you add yourself to the group in the topic? [09:58] yeah [09:58] nixternal: you probably want to get yourself added to that keyring for revu, btw [09:58] Arbiter: cool :) [09:58] teach me ol' wise one ;) [09:58] Lorenzo Villani is a member of: [09:58] * Contributors of packages for ubuntu universe (Approved) [09:58] ;) [09:58] Well, i'm doing this while having the ubuntu community in mind, not my own system [09:58] baleted [09:59] heretician: hehe [09:59] Arbiter: nice :) [09:59] nixternal: check out w.u.c/REVU [09:59] ty === Hobbsee considers what to work on next. === heretician considers what to work on first. [10:01] uh oh [10:01] synaptic cant find checkinstall [10:01] heretician: did you comment out all of your sources list, by any chance? [10:01] !info checkinstall [10:02] checkinstall: installation tracker. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1.5.3-3ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 34 kB, installed size 132 kB [10:02] or not have universe added? [10:02] er [10:02] dont know what you mean hehe.. === NthDegree [n=NthDegre@212-1-144-196.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:02] but, i have it checked to read ALL repositories [10:02] universe is added [10:02] cool feature ubotu [10:02] !info smartpm [10:02] smartpm: An alternative package manager that works with dpkg/rpm. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.41-0ubuntu3 (dapper), package size 397 kB, installed size 2148 kB [10:03] ha! cool :D [10:03] smartpm.. sounds crappy [10:03] and dumb, but i just gathered that one from the name === heretician hopes he was write about Arbiter being somehow affiliated with smartpm :P [10:04] write = right [10:04] heretician, i'm a smartpm tester :D [10:04] Arbiter: nice :) [10:04] ah, i know what i should do, i should fix my wiki page up [10:04] i also made a splitted package (smartpm, smartpm-gtk) [10:04] Oh... I was thinking more of smartpm developer-- my luck :P [10:05] hehe [10:05] apt-cache definitely cant be used to remove packages. [10:05] Which apt is? [10:06] apt-get remove [10:06] better with --purge :P [10:06] and with sudo [10:06] :/ [10:06] Guess i should get used to using sudo behind everything though === Arbiter loves sudo [10:06] heretician: well, behind the stuff that needs it [10:07] heretician: for stuff that you're using a lot of sudo for, you can use sudo -s or sudo -i === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] Its morseso having to type in my password that is annoying me. I dont use numkeys(habit) and my password for Ubuntu is all numbers ;( [10:08] And I make a quick mental note of wether i typed it in correctly by looking at how many asterisks are there [10:08] heretician: heh, true [10:08] or.. big black blobs [10:08] hehe [10:10] would "sudo apt-file install autoconf" be a working command? [10:10] heretician: ah, try it? === Hobbsee wonders what apt-file does. [10:10] Guide says its identical to apt-auto [10:11] hmmm okay === coyctecm [n=coy@a84-230-81-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:11] ha! the keyring was refreshed! [10:11] ... === Hobbsee doesnt use that either. [10:11] What are you using Hobbsee? [10:11] And are you a member of MOTU? [10:12] heretician: i'm going for motu on wednesday, i do a fair bit of kubuntu packaging [10:12] kubuntu has something different than apt-file i guess? [10:12] and good luck :) [10:12] well, i use a pbuilder, so it automatically finds if i dont have the build-deps, and if they're listed in debian/control they're automatically installed [10:13] thanks. === Hobbsee is going nuts without upload rights. [10:13] no, apt-file will run on any *ubuntu system, or debian [10:13] Should I use it aswell.. I'm going to be packaging alot, after I learn how completely? [10:13] Hobbsee, dont forget about RPM-based system with apt4rpm :P [10:13] Arbiter: i've never used that. [10:13] i never want to. [10:14] hehehe [10:14] Hobbsee, the TB is not on tuesday? [10:14] Gloubiboulga: your tuesday. [10:14]