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| nixternal | hiya Hobbsee!!! | 03:18 |
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| nixternal | ;p | 03:18 |
| omeow | How do I downgrade libxine-main1 version 1.1.2 to 1.1.1? | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | hi nixternal | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | do i want my uni results? | 03:18 |
| nixternal | sure | 03:19 |
| nixternal | hehe | 03:19 |
| nixternal | i have no clue how to downgrade | 03:19 |
| omeow | This updated package isn't working out at all for me. =/ | 03:19 |
| nixternal | beside removing and installing the older version | 03:19 |
| omeow | Guess something went wrong at compile time. | 03:19 |
| nixternal | then creating a holdfile in the ~/ telling adept and apt-get to no install the upgrade | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | omeow: go to /var/cache/apt/archives and dpkg -i the deb you want | 03:20 |
| omeow | aha | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | screensaver works | 03:22 |
| nixternal | woohoo | 03:22 |
| nixternal | good job Hobbsee | 03:22 |
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| Hobbsee | Exam Results available 18 July | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | oh they suck. i hope they fix estudent before that. | 03:24 |
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| freeflying|away | imbrandon: ping | 05:34 |
| robotgeek | hey freeflying|away | 05:35 |
| freeflying|away | robotgeek: hi | 05:35 |
| robotgeek | i need to start work on Edgy docs | 05:36 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: have you a dapper pbuilder on you ibook now? | 05:36 |
| robotgeek | nope. | 05:36 |
| robotgeek | i am sitting on a weak wireless connection from a neighbor | 05:37 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: cool, I wanna help, but I'm not good at English :) | 05:38 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: no issues. i just moved to a new city (this week) | 05:39 |
| freeflying | robotgeek: heh, I was too about 3 weeks ago | 05:39 |
| robotgeek | nice freeflying | 05:40 |
| freeflying | Now I'm living in Beijing now, have you ever heard of BeiJing, China? :) | 05:41 |
| robotgeek | freeflying: i am from India. of course, i've heard of beijeing | 05:42 |
| robotgeek | beijing | 05:42 |
| robotgeek | i also have couple of chinese friends | 05:42 |
| freeflying | cool | 05:42 |
| robotgeek | you probably have not heard of Huntsville, Alabama :) | 05:43 |
| freeflying | heh :) | 05:43 |
| freeflying | just know Alabama | 05:43 |
| robotgeek | :) | 05:44 |
| freeflying | I knew a song about Alanbama, I can sing it :) | 05:44 |
| robotgeek | lemme guess. lynryd skynard? | 05:46 |
| === robotgeek knows that one song about alabama too :) | ||
| freeflying | (but I forgot the name) | 05:47 |
| crimsun | "sweet home alabama"? | 05:48 |
| robotgeek | yup | 05:48 |
| freeflying | " I came from Alanbama with my benju on my knee" | 05:48 |
| abattoir | "Oh Susana...." ;) | 05:49 |
| freeflying | yep | 05:49 |
| nixternal | hahahaha | 05:56 |
| nixternal | ty freeflying for that laugh, i needed it bigtime | 05:57 |
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| Hobbsee | hi all | 08:41 |
| Hobbsee | greetings! | 08:42 |
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| Hobbsee | hi raphink :) | 08:44 |
| raphink | hi Hobbsee | 08:45 |
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| uniq | dekorator should have a better package description in edgy. It isn't much of a 'KDE Theme manager', it's more like a 'Window decoration theme manager'. | 10:08 |
| Hobbsee | uniq: want to give us the better description? | 10:09 |
| Hobbsee | uniq: i have to go out, but if you do, email it to hobbsee@kubuntu.org | 10:10 |
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| === #kubuntu-devel [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup | ||
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| Hobbsee | hi all | 01:42 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: know how to get on the backports team? wonder what it involves | 01:44 |
| Hobbsee | !backports | 01:44 |
| ubotu | If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports | 01:44 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, dunno but i would be very interested | 01:44 |
| imbrandon | maybe poke crimsun | 01:44 |
| imbrandon | and ask | 01:44 |
| toma_ | or jdong | 01:45 |
| Hobbsee | hey toma_ | 01:45 |
| toma_ | hey Hobbsee | 01:45 |
| imbrandon | heya toma_ | 01:47 |
| toma_ | hey imbrandon | 01:47 |
| toma_ | (i'm only here on commercial breaks of the formula 1) | 01:47 |
| Hobbsee | toma_: hehe! who's winning? | 01:47 |
| toma_ | it starts in 12 minutes | 01:48 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 01:48 |
| imbrandon | besides Hobbsee me/you/freeflying? do psudeo backports on kubuntu.org hehe | 01:49 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: well that's true. hope you've got plenty of bandwidth. | 01:50 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, hehe why is that ? | 01:50 |
| === Hobbsee runs "space" on voyager. | ||
| imbrandon | ahh | 01:51 |
| imbrandon | space? | 01:51 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: i copied the kdebase binaries and source from yoru machine to Ridd*ell's last night :) | 01:51 |
| Hobbsee | the fix works :) | 01:51 |
| imbrandon | nice | 01:51 |
| Hobbsee | space = alias for df -h -T iirc | 01:51 |
| imbrandon | i setup Seveas amd64 build machine | 01:51 |
| Hobbsee | hehe ncie :) | 01:51 |
| === Seveas is already using it for building | ||
| imbrandon | ahh if you need more space , there should be 100~ GB on there | 01:52 |
| imbrandon | i can give ya more | 01:52 |
| imbrandon | same for you Seveas ther is 10gb in your atm but i can add more at any time ( has plenty of hdd space ) | 01:52 |
| imbrandon | plus i stole Seveas's smile | 01:53 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: hehe. i see you havent tested out my pbuilder stuff yet :) | 01:53 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, not yes been busy setting up a ppc box and edgy on a amd64 box | 01:54 |
| imbrandon | s/yes/yet | 01:54 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: hehe nice :) | 01:54 |
| imbrandon | soon i'm gonna need a data center heheh , Seveas you me and freeflying all building on boxes here | 01:54 |
| imbrandon | lol | 01:54 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: you can use that fix for kdebase, if you want. it's working here (i copied it ot my harddrive too last night) | 01:55 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, btw if you just temp need to store large files /media/vm-storage is my "scratch box" | 01:55 |
| imbrandon | put what ever there | 01:55 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: it's in /var/cache/pbuilder/dapper/result | 01:56 |
| imbrandon | ok cool i'll install it now | 01:56 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: does that have web access? | 01:56 |
| imbrandon | is it getting pushed to kubuntu.org sometime ? | 01:56 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: yeah, once the ftp of that gets fixed, etc | 01:56 |
| imbrandon | does what have webaccess ? | 01:56 |
| imbrandon | yea /media/vm-storage is a mount on voyager | 01:57 |
| imbrandon | if thats what you mean | 01:57 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: wherever i can copy big files to. | 01:57 |
| Hobbsee | wasnt what i was meaning, let me think on that. | 01:57 |
| imbrandon | hehe ok | 01:57 |
| imbrandon | /dev/sda4 ext3 48G 4.7G 41G 11% /media/vm-storage | 01:58 |
| imbrandon | ^ thats on voyager | 01:58 |
| imbrandon | seveas is on birdofprey but i can give him access to other mounts too if needed | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: which is birdofprey? amd64, i take it | 02:01 |
| imbrandon | yea voyage is i386 birdoypry is amd64 and shuttlepod is ppc | 02:01 |
| Hobbsee | right | 02:01 |
| imbrandon | omg do i need all those debs installed ? | 02:03 |
| imbrandon | heh | 02:03 |
| imbrandon | are they all safe ? | 02:03 |
| === Hobbsee raises an eyebrow | ||
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: actually, only kdesktop*.deb got updated with a fix, the rest just got rebuilt. | 02:05 |
| imbrandon | ahh ok | 02:05 |
| === Hobbsee installed all of them | ||
| === imbrandon will still test them out | ||
| imbrandon | yea | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: the fix works, i end up constantly wondering why my screen goes blank every once in a while. | 02:07 |
| imbrandon | lol | 02:07 |
| imbrandon | brb installed, gonna restart kde | 02:07 |
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| === imbrandon waits for kwin to crash | ||
| Hobbsee | heh | 02:11 |
| imbrandon | btw Seveas i forgot to mention you can reboot that box at anytime if needed ( not like reboots are nessesary in linux ) like if you install new kernel etc and all should come up smooth | 02:11 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: does that apply to voyager too? i expect it would | 02:13 |
| imbrandon | NOOO | 02:13 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 02:13 |
| imbrandon | i use voyager, too i put seveas on his own box with nothing else on it | 02:14 |
| === Seveas installs spamscripts on that box | ||
| Hobbsee | haha | 02:14 |
| imbrandon | haha | 02:14 |
| Hobbsee | good idea, Seveas! | 02:14 |
| Hobbsee | Seveas: mind sending them to me, so i can stick them on voyager? | 02:14 |
| imbrandon | seveas64 ( vm on birdofprey ) i dont even have access to | 02:15 |
| imbrandon | hahaha | 02:15 |
| Hobbsee | Seveas: how secure would it be for me to dump my entire ~/.gnupg onto voyager, so i can sign from there? is there anyway to make it safe enough to be viable? | 02:16 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, i can move you to a vm too if you want total control | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | heh, no thanks :P | 02:16 |
| Seveas | Hobbsee, if your private key is encrypted it's safe enough | 02:16 |
| Hobbsee | Seveas: ah, is it encrypted by default? | 02:17 |
| imbrandon | 128 at leaste should be | 02:17 |
| Seveas | if you have to type your password to use the key, it's encrypted | 02:17 |
| Hobbsee | okay, cool, yep | 02:18 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, think of it like this, i have __MY__ key in ~/ on voyager | 02:18 |
| Hobbsee | of course i do :P | 02:18 |
| Hobbsee | [22:17] <Ubugtu> Okay, so ten out of ten for style, but minus several millions for good thinking, yeah? | 02:18 |
| fred | then it is all in the entropy of your passphrase or in the ability of the cracker to read the 'keyboard' | 02:18 |
| Hobbsee | true | 02:18 |
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| === Hobbsee_ pokes Seveas | ||
| Seveas | oh noes | 02:23 |
| Seveas | 2 hobbsees! | 02:23 |
| === imbrandon runs ... then trips over cat5 cables | ||
| Hobbsee_ | Seveas: Yes, double trouble! | 02:23 |
| === Seveas runs and is happy he uses wifi | ||
| === Hobbsee_ points imbrandon to his wifi card. have you got it back yet, btw? | ||
| imbrandon | heh yea actualy i got it today | 02:24 |
| === Hobbsee_ drops a large gong on Seveas' head. | ||
| Hobbsee_ | nice :) | 02:24 |
| === Hobbsee_ wonders why nickcolour.pl doesnt work. | ||
| imbrandon | becouse its perl nvm | 02:24 |
| imbrandon | darn irssi users | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee_ | imbrandon: i've seen it work on ajmitch's machine, it just doesnt work here.. | 02:25 |
| imbrandon | i konw i was just teasin | 02:25 |
| imbrandon | if its on voyager might make sure that perl is installed at all LOL | 02:25 |
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| imbrandon | '/me tries not to use perl when he can get away with php or python | 02:26 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: it's local | 02:26 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: ack, how do i reattach a session? | 02:26 |
| imbrandon | screen -R | 02:26 |
| Hobbsee_ | ah, nice : | 02:26 |
| Hobbsee_ | ) | 02:26 |
| Hobbsee_ | ah :) | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee_ | how clever :) | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee_ | i just switched the screen session from a virtual terminal to a console | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee_ | pity that nickcolour.pl script doesnt work | 02:29 |
| imbrandon | heh | 02:29 |
| omeow | You know that not everybody will be able to see that smiley, imbrandon? | 02:33 |
| Hobbsee | omeow: works in both windows here... | 02:33 |
| imbrandon | omeow, like ? but thats ok, its just a smile | 02:34 |
| omeow | If someone has a font that doesn't have that character you're screwed. | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee_ | isnt it utf8 or something? | 02:35 |
| omeow | It is. But it also relies on the font. | 02:35 |
| imbrandon | ah well no biggie, but yea its utf8 i think | 02:35 |
| omeow | In any case, doesn't matter much, just saying. | 02:35 |
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| imbrandon | heh yea thanks omeow , i figured as much but i'm not really that worried as i said its only a smile | 02:39 |
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| Hobbsee_ | this is screwy. i dont think the scripts are loading properly. | 02:40 |
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| freeflying | Hi all | 03:09 |
| imbrandon | moins | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | hi freeflying | 03:11 |
| freeflying | hey Hobbsee imbrandon | 03:12 |
| freeflying | imbrandon: would u like build a package for ppc for me? :) | 03:13 |
| imbrandon | sure | 03:13 |
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| === Hobbsee_ tests now | ||
| === Hobbsee pokes Hobbsee_ | ||
| imbrandon | freeflying, what pkg ? | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | hi Hobbsee_ | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | ooh! | 03:14 |
| === imbrandon pokes Hobbsee_ too | ||
| freeflying | imbrandon: zhcon, hope you can backport it from edgy to dpper | 03:14 |
| imbrandon | zhcon ok you want me to just grab the packge from edgy and buld it for dapper ppc ? | 03:15 |
| freeflying | yep | 03:16 |
| imbrandon | kk will do, i'll ping ya when i finish it | 03:16 |
| freeflying | thx | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee_ | /part | 03:20 |
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| imbrandon | hrm afk a few | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | er | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm | 03:23 |
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| toma_ | bbq, bye all | 03:26 |
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| Hobbsee | Hobbsee_: where are you? | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | oh good | 03:27 |
| Tm_T | :p | 03:37 |
| Hobbsee | :P at Tm_T | 03:39 |
| Tm_T | sorry folks, but I leave this channel until I'm ready to do my part ;/ -> | 03:42 |
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| Hobbsee | Hobbsee_: boo! | 03:42 |
| Hobbsee | Hobbsee_: boo! | 03:42 |
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| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: ping? | 03:54 |
| imbrandon_ | pongy | 03:54 |
| imbrandon_ | err pong | 03:54 |
| imbrandon_ | Hobbsee: sup ? | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: see PM | 03:55 |
| imbrandon_ | heh you probbly pmd my other box | 03:56 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: i PM'd imbrandon_ | 03:56 |
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| nixternal | moins | 04:24 |
| imbrandon_ | Hobbsee: RUN | 04:25 |
| imbrandon_ | lol | 04:25 |
| === Hobbsee runs quickly | ||
| Hobbsee | hi nixternal | 04:26 |
| nixternal | hiya Hobbsee | 04:26 |
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| Hobbsee | ugirl: okay then... | 05:54 |
| ugirl | Hobbsee: hey | 05:54 |
| Hobbsee | heya :P | 05:54 |
| freeflying|away | Hobbsee: it's an AI bot for #ubuntu-cn | 05:55 |
| Hobbsee | ah right.. | 05:55 |
| freeflying|away | so, if you have any questions, plz ask ugirl :) | 05:55 |
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| Hobbsee | hi apachelogger | 06:08 |
| apachelogger | heya Hobbsee | 06:08 |
| Hobbsee | apachelogger: ohhh...you're the apachelogger that did the kopete debs. hope i didnt thrash your changes by accident. | 06:08 |
| apachelogger | Hobbsee: nah, you were faster than I was ;-) | 06:09 |
| apachelogger | didn't even had a package when you already had it in revu ^^ | 06:09 |
| Hobbsee | apachelogger: heh. mind emailing me when you're going to change something? i seem to get stuff quicker into the repos. | 06:09 |
| Hobbsee | friends in high places, and all | 06:09 |
| Hobbsee | apachelogger: i live in this channel - i find out many interesitn ghtings :P | 06:09 |
| apachelogger | aye ;-) | 06:09 |
| Hobbsee | actually, add whatever debdiff's you do in there too, so we can keep track of it, rather than goign "oops, i wonder what changes apachelogger made, because i think i just thrashed them. oh well" | 06:10 |
| === Hobbsee taps her fingers on the keyboard | ||
| Hobbsee | wish imbrandon's machine was up. | 06:11 |
| Hobbsee | i should ask him to do his maintenence stuff later or something :P | 06:11 |
| Hobbsee | or maybe go to bed earlier. | 06:11 |
| Hobbsee | apachelogger: FYI, kopete's in main now, in edgy, so you need to poke core devs to upload, not just motus. | 06:13 |
| Hobbsee | (grumble grumble. just when i'd be able to upload whenever i liked) | 06:13 |
| apachelogger | ahhh, more work :P | 06:14 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 06:14 |
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| Hobbsee | yay. camorama compiled. | 06:15 |
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| nixternal | ok dev's, here you go | 10:17 |
| nixternal | glutInit <- im trying to compile a package and it says i don't have it..i have installed the libglut3 and libglut3-dev packages and still..says no glutInit..where is it hiding? | 10:18 |
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| nixternal | package im trying to compile is 'screenKast' | 10:18 |
| crimsun | are you sure it actually needs v3.x? | 10:20 |
| crimsun | note the difference between freeglut3-dev and libglut3-dev | 10:20 |
| nixternal | well...i have both installed | 10:22 |
| nixternal | checking for glutInit in -lglut... no | 10:23 |
| nixternal | configure: error: *** glut missing - please install glut development package *** | 10:23 |
| nixternal | that is the issue there | 10:23 |
| crimsun | normally you don't want both. | 10:23 |
| crimsun | can you stash the config.log somewhere public? | 10:23 |
| nixternal | i can paste it, or i can host it on buntudot if you want to look at it | 10:24 |
| nixternal | pastebin it | 10:24 |
| nixternal | 10:24 | |
| crimsun | either way | 10:24 |
| nixternal | k | 10:24 |
| nixternal | one sec | 10:24 |
| nixternal | !pastebin | 10:25 |
| ubotu | pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things) | 10:25 |
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| nixternal | http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/tmp | 10:27 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 10:27 |
| nixternal | http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/ | 10:28 |
| nixternal | there sorry | 10:28 |
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| crimsun | nixternal: | 10:39 |
| nixternal | yes | 10:39 |
| crimsun | nixternal: what is this? /usr/local/lib/libinstrudeo.so: undefined reference to `av_dbl2int' | 10:40 |
| nixternal | instrudeo, it was the package that had to be compiled and installed prior to screenkast | 10:40 |
| nixternal | http://sourceforge.net/projects/libinstrudeo | 10:41 |
| nixternal | that is where that comes from | 10:41 |
| crimsun | but why is it looking in /usr/local/lib/ ? | 10:42 |
| nixternal | hrmm..don't know | 10:42 |
| crimsun | did you install it on your system? | 10:42 |
| crimsun | having it installed as such as causing configure to bomb because ld is bailing | 10:43 |
| nixternal | yes | 10:43 |
| nixternal | ahhh | 10:43 |
| crimsun | is causing^ | 10:43 |
| nixternal | so libinstrudeo needs to be installed with ./configure --path=/usr/lib/ ? | 10:43 |
| nixternal | or...ln -s it to /usr/lib | 10:43 |
| crimsun | --prefix=/usr | 10:44 |
| nixternal | prefix yes | 10:44 |
| imbrandon | build in clean chroots or pbuilder and /usr | 10:44 |
| crimsun | I hope you're doing this in a chroot? | 10:44 |
| nixternal | no no..im instlaling it on my system | 10:44 |
| nixternal | not packaging or even trying until i play around with it | 10:44 |
| crimsun | well, if I had to walk back up the stack, I'd say you need to fix libinstrudeo | 10:44 |
| nixternal | it installed fine on my suse box | 10:44 |
| nixternal | k | 10:44 |
| nixternal | i can do that really quick | 10:44 |
| crimsun | it's bailing on those symbols stated in the config.log | 10:45 |
| nixternal | /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/../../../../lib/libinstrudeo.so: undefined reference to `av_dbl2int' | 10:49 |
| crimsun | right, so you need to fix libinstrudeo | 10:50 |
| nixternal | what is the propper way of fixing it? | 10:50 |
| crimsun | that depends how it's configured and compiled | 10:50 |
| nixternal | originally just done with ./configure | 10:51 |
| nixternal | which was a bad move on my part for not offering up the --path | 10:51 |
| nixternal | --prefix | 10:51 |
| Riddell | hmm. http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=42637 | 10:52 |
| Riddell | maybe we should contact that guy and see if we can channel his energies for good | 10:52 |
| nixternal | Riddell: i seen that earlier | 10:52 |
| nixternal | he is in the bug reports on it | 10:52 |
| nixternal | that is hobbsee's fix i believe | 10:52 |
| jjesse | what about the guy that has been posting on his blog about "fixing printing on Kubuntu" we should channel that's guys energy as well :) | 10:53 |
| nixternal | darwin bautista is his name | 10:53 |
| nixternal | heh | 10:53 |
| nixternal | im going to channel my energy on some bbq...back in a few | 10:53 |
| Riddell | jjesse: the trouble with Kurt is he's a great deal better at complaining than he is at coding | 10:53 |
| Riddell | and i mean that in the nicest possible way | 10:54 |
| abattoir | nice, he has a kopete package w/ Jingle support :) | 10:57 |
| jjesse | Riddell: grin i know lots of people that way :) | 11:04 |
| jjesse | mmm bbq sounds good can you send some my way nixternal? | 11:04 |
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| nixternal | it was good | 11:09 |
| jjesse | is the h in khelpcenter capitalized? | 11:09 |
| jjesse | so is it KHelpCenter or KHelpcenter or what is the spelling | 11:09 |
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| nixternal | KHelpCenter | 11:10 |
| nixternal | had to look hard for that | 11:10 |
| nixternal | it is actually labeled everywhere as 'KDE Help Center', and if you look at the about>license agreement, then you will see the 'KHelpCenter' | 11:10 |
| apachelogger | needs to be renamed for 4.0 | 11:18 |
| apachelogger | KDE Help Center is lot more meanful | 11:18 |
| toma_ | Riddell: Jannick has Seen The Light now | 11:18 |
| jjesse | apachelogger: i refer to it as KDE Help Center but name the actual application name | 11:18 |
| omeow | bad help center! mean! | 11:18 |
| Riddell | toma_: oh? | 11:19 |
| toma_ | Riddell: see last paragraph mof his last mail from 16.15 | 11:19 |
| toma_ | 16.25 | 11:19 |
| Riddell | looking promising :) | 11:21 |
| omeow | What is considered the most annoying thing for new users when they've installed, Kubuntu? | 11:24 |
| omeow | (I already think I know the answer, just curious to what other people think.) | 11:24 |
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| Riddell | networking? | 11:29 |
| Riddell | mp3? | 11:29 |
| Riddell | dvds? | 11:29 |
| omeow | Perhaps I should poll the questions in #kubuntu a bit. But I think that the biggest thing that is annoying people is the fact that it doesn't play mp3 and other proprietary formats on a fresh install. | 11:33 |
| Riddell | not much we can do about that I'm afraid | 11:34 |
| Riddell | although universe by default will be nicer | 11:35 |
| omeow | It doesn't necesarily have to be shipping with these format supports. But I do think that it would help if the information about this is very clearly presented. | 11:35 |
| omeow | I think users are quick to label these things as bugs. | 11:35 |
| Riddell | oh and amarok's "would you like to install the mp3 encoder" will help too | 11:36 |
| Riddell | could do with some testing though | 11:36 |
| Riddell | s/en/de/ | 11:36 |
| omeow | You could for example create a helpfile on the desktop or something similar that runs on first boot. | 11:37 |
| jjesse | gack nothing should run on first boot :) | 11:37 |
| jjesse | omeow: those are documentated a lot in the official docs, the official ubuntu book and the wiki pages | 11:37 |
| omeow | Why not? | 11:37 |
| omeow | What do you suggest using then? | 11:38 |
| jjesse | the documentation :) | 11:38 |
| omeow | That's not good enough if you ask me. Just watch at how many people come into #kubuntu asking for help on mp3 support. | 11:38 |
| omeow | Sure it's described in the documentation, but for some reason it's not being read. | 11:39 |
| omeow | If everybody is against the "first run" thing, would it be a bad idea to create a text-file/html file named something like "missing-multimedia-support" which explains to the user why kubuntu ships without support for proprietary formats and how they can enable this? | 11:43 |
| jjesse | then how would that be different then the exisiting documentation? | 11:43 |
| omeow | It would be on the desktop, something the users see instantly. | 11:43 |
| jjesse | the help documetnation is available as soon as you start up konqi | 11:44 |
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| kwwii | evening | 11:45 |
| omeow | That's true, but it does take a few clicks before you get to the section about mp3 support, etc. | 11:45 |
| kwwii | Riddell: is the crystal in kubuntu the same as in KDE SVN? | 11:45 |
| omeow | And the next button only talks of konqueror. | 11:45 |
| omeow | I just think that that bit of information should be displayed even more clearly to the user. | 11:46 |
| omeow | Furthermore, installing xine-extracodecs doesn't quite make your machine fully support mp3, it makes it support playback, but libtunepimp still needs to be recompiled or downloaded from a secondary source in order to make amarok support idv3 for mp3 tag writing. | 11:49 |
| Riddell | kwwii: yes | 11:51 |
| kwwii | Riddell: cool, thakns | 11:51 |
| kwwii | thanks | 11:51 |
| Riddell | omeow: libtunepimp in edgy has an mp3 package, I should make the amarok install script install that | 11:52 |
| Riddell | omeow: maybe we should make our release note have some "common initial tasks" in them | 11:52 |
| omeow | You could do that. But I don't think many new linux users read release notes. | 11:54 |
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| nixternal | arg crimsun, i am still getting the same error..removed all instances of libinstrudeo, reinstalled it --prefix=/usr and i still get the same exact error | 11:56 |
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| h3sp4wn | Hi has anyone packaged or is attempting to package libinstrudeo ? | 11:57 |
| nixternal | lol | 11:58 |
| nixternal | arg crimsun, i am still getting the same error..removed all instances of libinstrudeo, reinstalled it --prefix=/usr and i still get the same exact error | 11:58 |
| nixternal | sorry for the doubling up there | 11:58 |
| nixternal | h3sp4wn: i had asked that question right b4 you joined | 11:58 |
| crimsun | nixternal: if you're getting that error, then its compilation structure is broken | 11:58 |
| h3sp4wn | It builds fine | 11:58 |
| h3sp4wn | I just need to find out what is needed to be installed | 11:59 |
| nixternal | heh, at least it isn't /usr/local/lib anymore | 11:59 |
| crimsun | no, it doesn't build fine | 11:59 |
| crimsun | it's /broken/ | 11:59 |
| nixternal | h3sp4wn: it is the reason that screenkast will not install | 11:59 |
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| crimsun | i.e., just because it creates a library doesn't mean that library links correctly, and if it doesn't, then it's broken | 12:00 |
| nixternal | undefined reference to `av_dbl2int' <- there are 6 of those, av_ errors in the log | 12:00 |
| h3sp4wn | crimsun: I am using dh_make and I don't get compilation errors | 12:01 |
| crimsun | those are ffmpeg symbols, nixternal | 12:01 |
| nixternal | k | 12:01 |
| crimsun | h3sp4wn: please read what I typed above. | 12:01 |
| nixternal | crimsun: it shows that it compiles fine and installs fine | 12:01 |
| nixternal | arg | 12:01 |
| nixternal | sorry crimsun...that was for h3sp4wn | 12:02 |
| crimsun | no, it actually shows that it's broken. | 12:02 |
| nixternal | crimsun: the log i posted was the 'screenkast' log and not the libinstrudeo log..you want to see that as well? | 12:02 |
| crimsun | nixternal: not necessary. Are you building against libavformat-dev, libavcodec-dev, and libpostproc-dev? | 12:03 |
| nixternal | im not no | 12:03 |
| crimsun | to do things properly for Ubuntu, libinstrudeo needs to contain those symbols from libavcodec-dev and libavformat-de | 12:04 |
| crimsun | v | 12:04 |
| nixternal | ahhh | 12:05 |
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