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nixternalhiya Hobbsee!!!03:18
omeowHow do I downgrade libxine-main1 version 1.1.2 to 1.1.1?03:18
Hobbseehi nixternal 03:18
Hobbseedo i want my uni results?03:18
nixternali have no clue how to downgrade03:19
omeowThis updated package isn't working out at all for me. =/03:19
nixternalbeside removing and installing the older version03:19
omeowGuess something went wrong at compile time.03:19
nixternalthen creating a holdfile in the ~/ telling adept and apt-get to no install the upgrade03:19
Hobbseeomeow: go to /var/cache/apt/archives and dpkg -i the deb you want03:20
Hobbseescreensaver works03:22
nixternalgood job Hobbsee03:22
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HobbseeExam Results available 18 July03:24
Hobbseeoh they suck.  i hope they fix estudent before that.03:24
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freeflying|awayimbrandon: ping05:34
robotgeekhey freeflying|away 05:35
freeflying|awayrobotgeek: hi05:35
robotgeeki need to start work on Edgy docs05:36
freeflyingrobotgeek: have you a dapper pbuilder on you ibook now?05:36
robotgeeknope. 05:36
robotgeeki am sitting on a weak wireless connection from a neighbor05:37
freeflyingrobotgeek: cool, I wanna help, but I'm not good at English  :)05:38
robotgeekfreeflying: no issues. i just moved to a new city (this week)05:39
freeflyingrobotgeek: heh, I was too about 3 weeks ago05:39
robotgeeknice freeflying 05:40
freeflyingNow I'm living in Beijing now, have you ever heard of BeiJing, China?  :)05:41
robotgeekfreeflying: i am from India. of course, i've heard of beijeing05:42
robotgeeki also have couple of chinese friends05:42
robotgeekyou probably have not heard of Huntsville, Alabama :)05:43
freeflyingheh  :)05:43
freeflyingjust know Alabama05:43
freeflyingI knew a song about Alanbama, I can sing it :)05:44
robotgeeklemme guess. lynryd skynard?05:46
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freeflying(but I forgot the name)05:47
crimsun"sweet home alabama"?05:48
freeflying" I came from Alanbama with my benju on my knee"05:48
abattoir"Oh Susana...." ;)05:49
nixternalty freeflying for that laugh, i needed it bigtime05:57
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Hobbseehi all08:41
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Hobbseehi raphink :)08:44
raphinkhi Hobbsee08:45
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uniqdekorator should have a better package description in edgy. It isn't much of a 'KDE Theme manager', it's more like a 'Window decoration theme manager'.10:08
Hobbseeuniq: want to give us the better description?10:09
Hobbseeuniq: i have to go out, but if you do, email it to hobbsee@kubuntu.org 10:10
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=== #kubuntu-devel [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
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Hobbseehi all01:42
Hobbseeimbrandon: know how to get on the backports team?  wonder what it involves01:44
ubotuIf new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports01:44
imbrandonHobbsee, dunno but i would be very interested01:44
imbrandonmaybe poke crimsun01:44
imbrandonand ask01:44
toma_or jdong01:45
Hobbseehey toma_ 01:45
toma_hey Hobbsee01:45
imbrandonheya toma_01:47
toma_hey imbrandon01:47
toma_(i'm only here on commercial breaks of the formula 1)01:47
Hobbseetoma_: hehe!  who's winning?01:47
toma_it starts in 12 minutes01:48
imbrandonbesides Hobbsee me/you/freeflying? do psudeo backports on kubuntu.org hehe01:49
Hobbseeimbrandon: well that's true.  hope you've got plenty of bandwidth.01:50
imbrandonHobbsee, hehe why is that ?01:50
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imbrandonahh 01:51
Hobbseeimbrandon: i copied the kdebase binaries and source from yoru machine to Ridd*ell's last night :)01:51
Hobbseethe fix works :)01:51
imbrandonnice 01:51
Hobbseespace = alias for df -h -T iirc01:51
imbrandoni setup Seveas amd64 build machine 01:51
Hobbseehehe ncie :)01:51
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imbrandonahh if you need more space , there should be 100~ GB on there01:52
imbrandoni can give ya more01:52
imbrandonsame for you Seveas ther is 10gb in your atm but i can add more at any time ( has plenty of hdd space )01:52
imbrandonplus i stole Seveas's smile 01:53
Hobbseeimbrandon: hehe.  i see you havent tested out my pbuilder stuff yet :)01:53
imbrandonHobbsee, not yes been busy setting up a ppc box and edgy on a amd64 box01:54
Hobbseeimbrandon: hehe nice :)01:54
imbrandonsoon i'm gonna need a data center heheh , Seveas you me and freeflying all building on boxes here 01:54
Hobbseeimbrandon: you can use that fix for kdebase, if you want.  it's working here (i copied it ot my harddrive too last night)01:55
imbrandonHobbsee, btw if you just temp need to store large files /media/vm-storage is my "scratch box" 01:55
imbrandonput what ever there01:55
Hobbseeimbrandon: it's in /var/cache/pbuilder/dapper/result01:56
imbrandonok cool i'll install it now01:56
Hobbseeimbrandon: does that have web access?01:56
imbrandonis it getting pushed to kubuntu.org sometime ?01:56
Hobbseeimbrandon: yeah, once the ftp of that gets fixed, etc01:56
imbrandondoes what have webaccess ?01:56
imbrandonyea /media/vm-storage is a mount on voyager01:57
imbrandonif thats what you mean01:57
Hobbseeimbrandon: wherever i can copy big files to.01:57
Hobbseewasnt what i was meaning, let me think on that.01:57
imbrandonhehe ok01:57
imbrandon /dev/sda4     ext3     48G  4.7G   41G  11% /media/vm-storage01:58
imbrandon^ thats on voyager01:58
imbrandonseveas is on birdofprey but i can give him access to other mounts too if  needed01:58
Hobbseeimbrandon: which is birdofprey?  amd64, i take it02:01
imbrandonyea voyage is i386 birdoypry is amd64 and shuttlepod is ppc02:01
imbrandonomg do i need all those debs installed ?02:03
imbrandonare they all safe ?02:03
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Hobbseeimbrandon: actually, only kdesktop*.deb got updated with a fix, the rest just got rebuilt.02:05
imbrandonahh ok02:05
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Hobbseeimbrandon: the fix works, i end up constantly wondering why my screen goes blank every once in a while.02:07
imbrandonbrb installed, gonna restart kde02:07
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imbrandonbtw Seveas i forgot to mention you can reboot that box at anytime if needed ( not like reboots are nessesary in linux ) like if you install new kernel etc and all should come up smooth02:11
Hobbseeimbrandon: does that apply to voyager too?  i expect it would02:13
imbrandoni use voyager, too i put seveas on his own box with nothing else on it02:14
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Hobbseegood idea, Seveas!02:14
HobbseeSeveas: mind sending them to me, so i can stick them on voyager?02:14
imbrandonseveas64 ( vm on birdofprey ) i dont even have access to 02:15
HobbseeSeveas: how secure would it be for me to dump my entire ~/.gnupg onto voyager, so i can sign from there?  is there anyway to make it safe enough to be viable?02:16
imbrandonHobbsee, i can move you to a vm too if you want total control 02:16
Hobbseeheh, no thanks :P02:16
SeveasHobbsee, if your private key is encrypted it's safe enough02:16
HobbseeSeveas: ah, is it encrypted by default?02:17
imbrandon128 at leaste should be02:17
Seveasif you have to type your password to use the key, it's encrypted02:17
Hobbseeokay, cool, yep02:18
imbrandonHobbsee, think of it like this, i have __MY__ key in ~/ on voyager 02:18
Hobbseeof course i do :P02:18
Hobbsee[22:17]  <Ubugtu> Okay, so ten out of ten for style, but minus several millions for good thinking, yeah?02:18
fredthen it is all in the entropy of your passphrase or in the ability of the cracker to read the 'keyboard'02:18
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Seveasoh noes02:23
Seveas2 hobbsees!02:23
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Hobbsee_Seveas:  Yes, double trouble!02:23
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imbrandonheh yea actualy i got it today02:24
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Hobbsee_nice :)02:24
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imbrandonbecouse its perl  nvm 02:24
imbrandondarn irssi users02:24
Hobbsee_imbrandon: i've seen it work on ajmitch's machine, it just doesnt work here..02:25
imbrandoni konw i was just teasin02:25
imbrandonif its on voyager might make sure that perl is installed at all LOL02:25
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imbrandon'/me tries not to use perl when he can get away with php or python02:26
Hobbseeimbrandon: it's local02:26
Hobbseeimbrandon: ack, how do i reattach a session?02:26
imbrandonscreen -R02:26
Hobbsee_ah, nice :02:26
Hobbsee_ah :)02:29
Hobbsee_how clever :)02:29
Hobbsee_i just switched the screen session from a virtual terminal to a console02:29
Hobbsee_pity that nickcolour.pl script doesnt work02:29
omeowYou know that not everybody will be able to see that smiley, imbrandon? 02:33
Hobbseeomeow: works in both windows here...02:33
imbrandonomeow, like ? but thats ok, its just a smile 02:34
omeowIf someone has a font that doesn't have that character you're screwed. 02:34
Hobbsee_isnt it utf8 or something?02:35
omeowIt is. But it also relies on the font.02:35
imbrandonah well no biggie, but yea its utf8 i think02:35
omeowIn any case, doesn't matter much, just saying.02:35
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imbrandonheh yea thanks omeow , i figured as much but i'm not really that worried as i said its only a smile 02:39
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Hobbsee_this is screwy.  i dont think the scripts are loading properly.02:40
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freeflyingHi all03:09
Hobbseehi freeflying 03:11
freeflyinghey Hobbsee imbrandon 03:12
freeflyingimbrandon: would u like build a package for ppc for me? :)03:13
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imbrandonfreeflying, what pkg ?03:14
Hobbseehi Hobbsee_ 03:14
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freeflyingimbrandon: zhcon, hope you can backport it from edgy to dpper03:14
imbrandonzhcon ok you want me to just grab the packge from edgy and buld it for dapper ppc ?03:15
imbrandonkk will do, i'll ping ya when i finish it 03:16
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imbrandonhrm afk a few03:23
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toma_bbq, bye all03:26
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HobbseeHobbsee_: where are you?03:27
Hobbseeoh good03:27
Hobbsee:P at Tm_T 03:39
Tm_Tsorry folks, but I leave this channel until I'm ready to do my part ;/ ->03:42
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HobbseeHobbsee_: boo!03:42
HobbseeHobbsee_: boo!03:42
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Hobbseeimbrandon_: ping?03:54
imbrandon_err pong03:54
imbrandon_Hobbsee: sup ?03:55
Hobbseeimbrandon_: see PM03:55
imbrandon_heh you probbly pmd my other box03:56
Hobbseeimbrandon_: i PM'd imbrandon_ 03:56
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imbrandon_Hobbsee: RUN04:25
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Hobbseehi nixternal 04:26
nixternalhiya Hobbsee04:26
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Hobbseeugirl: okay then...05:54
ugirlHobbsee: hey05:54
Hobbseeheya :P05:54
freeflying|awayHobbsee: it's an AI bot for #ubuntu-cn05:55
Hobbseeah right..05:55
freeflying|awayso, if you have any questions, plz ask ugirl  :)05:55
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Hobbseehi apachelogger 06:08
apacheloggerheya Hobbsee06:08
Hobbseeapachelogger: ohhh...you're the apachelogger that did the kopete debs.  hope i didnt thrash your changes by accident.06:08
apacheloggerHobbsee: nah, you were faster than I was ;-)06:09
apacheloggerdidn't even had a package when you already had it in revu ^^06:09
Hobbseeapachelogger: heh.  mind emailing me when you're going to change something?  i seem to get stuff quicker into the repos.06:09
Hobbseefriends in high places, and all06:09
Hobbseeapachelogger: i live in this channel - i find out many interesitn ghtings :P06:09
apacheloggeraye ;-)06:09
Hobbseeactually, add whatever debdiff's you do in there too, so we can keep track of it, rather than goign "oops, i wonder what changes apachelogger made, because i think i just thrashed them.  oh well"06:10
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Hobbseewish imbrandon's machine was up.06:11
Hobbseei should ask him to do his maintenence stuff later or something :P06:11
Hobbseeor maybe go to bed earlier.06:11
Hobbseeapachelogger: FYI, kopete's in main now, in edgy, so you need to poke core devs to upload, not just motus.06:13
Hobbsee(grumble grumble.  just when i'd be able to upload whenever i liked)06:13
apacheloggerahhh, more work :P06:14
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Hobbseeyay.  camorama compiled.06:15
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nixternalok dev's, here you go10:17
nixternalglutInit  <- im trying to compile a package and it says i don't have it..i have installed the libglut3 and libglut3-dev packages and still..says no glutInit..where is it hiding?10:18
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nixternalpackage im trying to compile is 'screenKast'10:18
crimsunare you sure it actually needs v3.x?10:20
crimsunnote the difference between freeglut3-dev and libglut3-dev10:20
nixternalwell...i have both installed10:22
nixternalchecking for glutInit in -lglut... no10:23
nixternalconfigure: error: *** glut missing - please install glut development package ***10:23
nixternalthat is the issue there10:23
crimsunnormally you don't want both.10:23
crimsuncan you stash the config.log somewhere public?10:23
nixternali can paste it, or i can host it on buntudot if you want to look at it10:24
nixternalpastebin it10:24
crimsuneither way10:24
nixternalone sec10:24
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (you can always find it in the channel topic, among other useful things)10:25
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nixternalthere  sorry10:28
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crimsunnixternal: 10:39
crimsunnixternal: what is this?  /usr/local/lib/libinstrudeo.so: undefined reference to `av_dbl2int'10:40
nixternalinstrudeo, it was the package that had to be compiled and installed prior to screenkast10:40
nixternalthat is where that comes from10:41
crimsunbut why is it looking in /usr/local/lib/ ?10:42
nixternalhrmm..don't know10:42
crimsundid you install it on your system?10:42
crimsunhaving it installed as such as causing configure to bomb because ld is bailing10:43
crimsunis causing^10:43
nixternalso libinstrudeo needs to be installed with ./configure --path=/usr/lib/ ?10:43
nixternalor...ln -s it to /usr/lib10:43
nixternalprefix yes10:44
imbrandonbuild in clean chroots or pbuilder  and /usr10:44
crimsunI hope you're doing this in a chroot?10:44
nixternalno no..im instlaling it on my system10:44
nixternalnot packaging or even trying until i play around with it10:44
crimsunwell, if I had to walk back up the stack, I'd say you need to fix libinstrudeo10:44
nixternalit installed fine on my suse box10:44
nixternali can do that really quick10:44
crimsunit's bailing on those symbols stated in the config.log10:45
nixternal /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.0.3/../../../../lib/libinstrudeo.so: undefined reference to `av_dbl2int'10:49
crimsunright, so you need to fix libinstrudeo10:50
nixternalwhat is the propper way of fixing it?10:50
crimsunthat depends how it's configured and compiled10:50
nixternaloriginally just done with ./configure10:51
nixternalwhich was a bad move on my part for not offering up the --path10:51
Riddellhmm.  http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=4263710:52
Riddellmaybe we should contact that guy and see if we can channel his energies for good10:52
nixternalRiddell: i seen that earlier10:52
nixternalhe is in the bug reports on it10:52
nixternalthat is hobbsee's fix i believe10:52
jjessewhat about the guy that has been posting on his blog about "fixing printing on Kubuntu" we should channel that's guys energy as well :)10:53
nixternaldarwin bautista is his name10:53
nixternalim going to channel my energy on some bbq...back in a few 10:53
Riddelljjesse: the trouble with Kurt is he's a great deal better at complaining than he is at coding10:53
Riddelland i mean that in the nicest possible way10:54
abattoirnice, he has a kopete package w/ Jingle support :)10:57
jjesseRiddell: grin i know lots of people that way :)11:04
jjessemmm bbq sounds good can you send some my way nixternal?11:04
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nixternalit was good 11:09
jjesseis the h in khelpcenter capitalized?11:09
jjesseso is it KHelpCenter or KHelpcenter or what is the spelling11:09
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nixternalhad to look hard for that11:10
nixternalit is actually labeled everywhere as 'KDE Help Center', and if you look at the about>license agreement, then you will see the 'KHelpCenter'11:10
apacheloggerneeds to be renamed for 4.011:18
apacheloggerKDE Help Center is lot more meanful11:18
toma_Riddell: Jannick has Seen The Light now11:18
jjesseapachelogger: i refer to it as KDE Help Center but name the actual application name11:18
omeowbad help center! mean!11:18
Riddelltoma_: oh?11:19
toma_Riddell: see last paragraph mof his last mail from 16.1511:19
Riddelllooking promising :)11:21
omeowWhat is considered the most annoying thing for new users when they've installed, Kubuntu?11:24
omeow(I already think I know the answer, just curious to what other people think.)11:24
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omeowPerhaps I should poll the questions in #kubuntu a bit. But I think that the biggest thing that is annoying people is the fact that it doesn't play mp3 and other proprietary formats on a fresh install.11:33
Riddellnot much we can do about that I'm afraid11:34
Riddellalthough universe by default will be nicer11:35
omeowIt doesn't necesarily have to be shipping with these format supports. But I do think that it would help if the information about this is very clearly presented. 11:35
omeowI think users are quick to label these things as bugs. 11:35
Riddelloh and amarok's "would you like to install the mp3 encoder" will help too11:36
Riddellcould do with some testing though11:36
omeowYou could for example create a helpfile on the desktop or something similar that runs on first boot.11:37
jjessegack nothing should run on first boot :)11:37
jjesseomeow: those are documentated a lot in the official docs, the official ubuntu book and the wiki pages 11:37
omeowWhy not?11:37
omeowWhat do you suggest using then?11:38
jjessethe documentation :)11:38
omeowThat's not good enough if you ask me. Just watch at how many people come into #kubuntu asking for help on mp3 support.11:38
omeowSure it's described in the documentation, but for some reason it's not being read.11:39
omeowIf everybody is against the "first run" thing, would it be a bad idea to create a text-file/html file named something like "missing-multimedia-support" which explains to the user why kubuntu ships without support for proprietary formats and how they can enable this?11:43
jjessethen how would that be different then the exisiting documentation?11:43
omeowIt would be on the desktop, something the users see instantly.11:43
jjessethe help documetnation is available as soon as you start up konqi11:44
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omeowThat's true, but it does take a few clicks before you get to the section about mp3 support, etc.11:45
kwwiiRiddell: is the crystal in kubuntu the same as in KDE SVN?11:45
omeowAnd the next button only talks of konqueror.11:45
omeowI just think that that bit of information should be displayed even more clearly to the user. 11:46
omeowFurthermore, installing xine-extracodecs doesn't quite make your machine fully support mp3, it makes it support playback, but libtunepimp still needs to be recompiled or downloaded from a secondary source in order to make amarok support idv3 for mp3 tag writing.11:49
Riddellkwwii: yes11:51
kwwiiRiddell: cool, thakns11:51
Riddellomeow: libtunepimp in edgy has an mp3 package, I should make the amarok install script install that11:52
Riddellomeow: maybe we should make our release note have some "common initial tasks" in them11:52
omeowYou could do that. But I don't think many new linux users read release notes. 11:54
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nixternalarg crimsun, i am still getting the same error..removed all instances of libinstrudeo, reinstalled it --prefix=/usr and i still get the same exact error11:56
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h3sp4wnHi has anyone packaged or is attempting to package libinstrudeo ?11:57
nixternalarg crimsun, i am still getting the same error..removed all instances of libinstrudeo, reinstalled it --prefix=/usr and i still get the same exact error11:58
nixternalsorry for the doubling up there11:58
nixternalh3sp4wn: i had asked that question right b4 you joined11:58
crimsunnixternal: if you're getting that error, then its compilation structure is broken11:58
h3sp4wnIt builds fine11:58
h3sp4wnI just need to find out what is needed to be installed11:59
nixternalheh, at least it isn't /usr/local/lib anymore11:59
crimsunno, it doesn't build fine11:59
crimsunit's /broken/11:59
nixternalh3sp4wn: it is the reason that screenkast will not install11:59
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crimsuni.e., just because it creates a library doesn't mean that library links correctly, and if it doesn't, then it's broken12:00
nixternalundefined reference to `av_dbl2int'  <- there are 6 of those, av_ errors in the log12:00
h3sp4wncrimsun: I am using dh_make and I don't get compilation errors12:01
crimsunthose are ffmpeg symbols, nixternal 12:01
crimsunh3sp4wn: please read what I typed above.12:01
nixternalcrimsun: it shows that it compiles fine and installs fine12:01
nixternalsorry crimsun...that was for h3sp4wn12:02
crimsunno, it actually shows that it's broken.12:02
nixternalcrimsun: the log i posted was the 'screenkast' log and not the libinstrudeo log..you want to see that as well?12:02
crimsunnixternal: not necessary. Are you building against libavformat-dev, libavcodec-dev, and libpostproc-dev?12:03
nixternalim not no12:03
crimsunto do things properly for Ubuntu, libinstrudeo needs to contain those symbols from libavcodec-dev and libavformat-de12:04
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