[12:08] <fred> !qemu
[12:08] <ubotu> qemu is an emulator you can use to run another operating system - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsXPUnderQemuHowTo
[12:08] <gatekeeper> Desh: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6104490811311898236
[12:08] <Desh> Thanks.
[12:09] <fred> desh the previous linux about qemu might interest you
[12:09] <fred> Desh: i did it successfully
[12:09] <Desh> It's to run windows within ubuntu?
[12:10] <gatekeeper> yep good plan :-)
[12:10] <fred> Desh: yep, this is a qemu solution, the video is something different. up to you to know what you want to do
[12:11] <gatekeeper> Desh: video is dual boot
[12:11] <Desh> Yeah that's the thing, my Linux will not run ATI gfx. :(
[12:12] <fred> Desh: oh so you likely want a 'native' window and the dual boot solution is likely better
[12:12] <Desh> Yeah, off to partition my drive! :)
[12:12] <Desh> (re)
[12:14] <larson9999> i think we should have an ati burning party
[12:14] <gatekeeper> fred: do you just install qema then install windows?
[12:14] <domabr> lo all
[12:14] <fred> gatekeeper: yep, pretty much like the webpage explained
[12:15] <fred> i dont remember doing anything 'smart'
[12:15] <h3sp4wn> If you want qemu you need 0.81 for it to work properly
[12:15] <fred> i think i got the kqemu from the qemu website and the qemu from ubuntu repository
[12:16] <fred> oh i remmeber soem issue for compiling qemu... like qemu complains about gcc4 so i didnt compile and tried the one from ubuntu repositor
[12:16] <fred> i have no other memory about this :)
[12:16] <Matt-BR> Hello, is possible remove the "Switch User" menu from K menu?
[12:16] <h3sp4wn> fred: If you read the kqemu site it says it works much much better with qemu 0.8.1
[12:17] <fred> h3sp4wn: in which way it is better ?
[12:17] <gatekeeper> fred: looks very straight forward, might have a go one day
[12:17] <h3sp4wn> fred: Runs alot faster (its in the faq of kqemu)
[12:17] <Desh> k3b can burn images to CD, no?
[12:17] <h3sp4wn> fred: I backported it all from debian sid
[12:18] <fred> yep very straighforward, and dont forget to run kqemu before starting the install :)
[12:18] <fred> so the 40min will be 3h long :)
[12:18] <fred> h3sp4wn: ohhh so maybe i should try to compile it
[12:18] <fred> thanks for the tops
[12:19] <fred> tips
[12:19] <nekromaan> evening, i build my own ati fglrx drivers, module-assistant a-i went good, i changed xorg.conf, but he shows me the mesa driver? do i have to link something?
[12:24] <Desh> With XP and Ubuntu dual booting, would you reccomend Using NTLRD or Grub?
[12:31] <Desh> If I make XP capable of readina nd writing to ext2 and ext3, and since Ubuntu can do that with NTFS, then even if I dual boot, theoretically all my files are available to both OS's, right? like all my music, etc.
[12:32] <pygi> imbrandon: poke, you have time?
[12:35] <Philip5> Desh: yes but only safe to read and not to write cross the filessystems
[12:36] <Desh> So if I acquired songs on XP but I keep music on the Linux partition then it would not be safe to tranfer them over?
[12:36] <pascal> What is the device name for a bluetooth dongle? (according to kmobiletools it should be /dev/rfcomm, but I cant find that)
[12:36] <Desh> Like make XP write them to Linux partition.
[12:36] <fred> Desh: linux has trouble writing on ntfs
[12:37] <pygi> pygi@kubuntu:~$ kbuildsycoca
[12:37] <pygi> kbuildsycoca running...
[12:37] <pygi> Reusing existing ksycoca
[12:37] <pygi> kio (KSycoca): ERROR: No database available!
[12:37] <fred> well i saw a 'solution' once using the window kernel dll under linux
[12:37] <pygi> thoughts? :)
[12:37] <fred> i dont remember the name
[12:37] <Desh> Ah I see, if I had files on an ntfs partition and I am using Linux, would i be safe to copy paste them to Linux from NTFS?
[12:37] <rOOb> Desh, yes
[12:37] <Desh> Cool, thanks.
[12:37] <rOOb> Desh, just never write to ntfs from linux
[12:38] <fred> Desh: yes linux can read ntfs without issue
[12:38] <rOOb> it will corrupt the data
[12:38] <Desh> And what about writing to ext2 and ext3 from XP?
[12:38] <Breu> I'm with problems to connect to the internet. Can anyone help?
[12:38] <rOOb> Desh, afaik xp doesnt see ext3
[12:38] <rOOb> *afaik
[12:38] <pygi> rOOb: it can see it :)
[12:38] <Desh> rOOb: there is a file system plugin thing I found that lets it.
[12:38] <rOOb> pygi, its been a while seince ive used windows
[12:39] <rOOb> ahh k ....know i know ;D
[12:39] <pygi> rOOb: I never used it :)
[12:39] <rOOb> *now i know
[12:39] <omeow> Isn't there a way to flag a package to not upgrade for a while? Every time libtunepimp gets updated I lose mp3 tagging support.
[12:39] <Desh> http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm - read only, darn
[12:41] <Breu> It's a dial-up connection. The drivers look fine, but can't connect more than 6 seconds
[12:42] <fred> http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/#ext2fsd <- desh with write
[12:42] <centyx> argh
[12:43] <fred> the end of the page contains othe ralternative with rw
[12:48] <knapper> Anyone here use kroller?
[12:48] <alex_ndc> Hi people ... does anyone know how I can override the dhcp auto-generared /etc/resolv.conf ...
[12:48] <alex_ndc> to set another nameserver than the ones that are automatically configured, that is
[12:48] <centyx> knapper: yea
[12:49] <angmar> you could just edit the file manually
[12:49] <angmar> sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf
[12:49] <alex_ndc> yes, but when I restart the file is overwriten
[12:49] <centyx> knapper: i put it on my wife's pc earlier this morning
[12:49] <angmar> ah
[12:49] <angmar> there is some option you can pass to dhcp for that...
[12:49] <angmar> let me think...
[12:49] <knapper> centyx: is there a way to change the icons/applications of it?
[12:50] <knapper> on it*
[12:50] <centyx> knapper: yea. it's all in the kroller.conf
[12:50] <centyx> knapper: you specify the app and the icon to use for it
[12:51] <centyx> knapper: it's a pretty simple config file
[12:51] <knapper> centyx: alright thanks!
[12:51] <centyx> knapper: np
[01:04] <ryanakca> when I go aptitude install courier-imap courier-imap-s
[01:05] <ryanakca> when I go aptitude install courier-imap courier-imap-ssl courier-pop courier-pop-ssl... I get this error: http://pastebin.ca/89178 ... what's going on?
[01:09] <aztun> hi
[01:10] <centyx> hi
[01:10] <aztun> anyone knows if there is any mirror for plf packages?? two mirrors I know are down...  :(
[01:10] <michel_> hi
[01:10] <centyx> aztun: what package are you looking for?
[01:11] <aztun> mountiso
[01:11] <aztun> not sure if its on plf
[01:11] <centyx> hm
[01:11] <aztun> just wanted to try
[01:11] <centyx> try debian-multimedia or cipherfunk?
[01:11] <aztun> but mirrors are down
[01:12] <centyx> i don't know if they'll have it, but it's worth a try i guess
[01:12] <aztun> i tried centyx
[01:12] <centyx> ah
[01:12] <centyx> sorry, i duno where else
[01:13] <aztun> i tried seveas, cipherfunk and backports
[01:13] <Seveas> centyx, debian-multimedia is a bad idea to use on Ubuntu
[01:14] <Seveas> aztun, mountiso is not a package, you simply mount iso files with mount
[01:14] <Seveas> mount -o loop /path/to/iso /path/to/mountpoint
[01:14] <aztun> I know Seveas
[01:15] <aztun> im talking about this
[01:15] <aztun> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=11577
[01:16] <centyx> i have a strange problem w/ konqueror. i don't expect anyone to be able to give me the answer, but maybe someone can help give me an ide of how to find the answer. first, i'm trying to view quicktime or real media trailers at movies.yahoo.com. it works for one user in kubuntu, but not for any other users on the same system... until, that is, i copy her .kde directory over to another user's home directory. then it works for him too. i've compared konquerorrc an
[01:20] <centyx> maybe a better question, is there a settings editor for kde, similar to the gconf editor for gnome?
[01:23] <Philip5> centyx: doesn't that user have some locally installed plugins for browsers in his homedir?
[01:24] <centyx> Philip5: nope
[01:24] <centyx> Philip5: checked there first
[01:25] <centyx> Philip5: it's not getting that far, on the site. it's crashing before it gets to the point where it tries to load the media i believe.
[01:25] <Russel> hiho
[01:25] <timonator> can cdrom drives read playstation 1 cds? the ones with the black backsides?
[01:26] <centyx> Philip5: i could be wrong about that... but i don't think i am
[01:26] <Russel> i just tried the new release livecd and at last my suspend on desktop is working
[01:26] <Russel> is there a nice app for this and the same script/source in kubuntu?
[01:26] <Philip5> centyx: well it's hard to say from here... but that there is some kind of plug or symlink to one somewhere is my best guess
[01:27] <centyx> Philip5: i'll double check, but i really don't think that's the issue. thanks tho
[01:28] <centyx> Philip5: no, there are no plugins or symlinks to any in there, for certain
[01:29] <Philip5> centyx: are you just copying konquerorrc to the new user and it works?
[01:35] <michel_> How does one control the fan of a laptop?
[01:36] <michel_> My laptop is overheating
[01:38] <skavenge> why dont any of my changes to login manager work? regardless of what changed there the login screen is still the default kubuntu one .. how do i change it?
[01:46] <centyx> Philip5: no, I'm copying the entire .kde directory
[01:46] <Philip5> ok
[01:46] <centyx> Philip5: but i've done a find on the directory searching for all the plugin extensions and there aren't any
[01:47] <centyx> Philip5: I think earlier today in my madness i did a grep -ir "plugin" and compared those files, but I don't remember now. i've been awake for too long ;-s
[01:47] <centyx> Philip5: same w/ other key words and phrases
[01:48] <centyx> Philip5: i even went mad and made a diff of the two directories and started to go through it, but i gave up on that
[01:48] <centyx> Philip5: too much data
[01:48] <Philip5> figures
[01:50] <Philip5> and the thing is that browser plugins are rarely stored in .kde subdirs
[01:50] <centyx> there is one folder in there for them
[01:50] <centyx> i saw it earlier
[01:51] <centyx> ( it was empty )
[01:51] <Philip5> ok
[01:51] <knapper> centyx: hey, I got the progs/ icons changed (kroller), but the icons are real ugly. what size do they need to be?
[01:51] <centyx> knapper: i made my wife's 32/48 , but if i was using it, i'd have them at 16/32
[01:52] <maui> does someone know sth about the spca5xx webcam driver?
[01:52] <knapper> centyx ok ill try that\
[01:52] <centyx> maui: not i, unfortunately
[01:52] <centyx> knapper: 16/32 is pretty small
[01:53] <centyx> i hear a chainsaw outside
[01:53] <centyx> that's not comforting, for some reason
[01:54] <centyx> MISTER CHAINSAW!
[01:55] <centyx> i was serious about the chainsaw though
[01:55] <centyx> ack
[01:55] <centyx> an explosion
[01:56] <centyx> i really hate to have to go copying this .kde directory around from place to place
[01:57] <centyx> and then merging in my personal settings
[01:58] <centyx> the explosion was just thunder
[02:00] <centyx> one more try
[02:02] <diezare> Do anyone know if is it possible to install the SMP by apt-get install?
[02:03] <knapper> Where can I find firefox's bookmarks?
[02:05] <unix_infidel> knapper: man find.
[02:05] <unix_infidel> something like....`find /home/username -name bookmarks*`
[02:06] <knapper> we'll their located on another hd
[02:07] <teknoprep> for a free f'n swearing mf test
[02:07] <unix_infidel> knapper: then change /home/username to whatever disk's mount point you think the bookmark is on.
[02:07] <teknoprep> please come to other channels where swearing is permited
[02:07] <teknoprep> and the idea of freenode stays true
[02:11] <Hawkwind> knapper: In ~/.mozilla/firefox
[02:11] <LjL> teknoprep: *please* make your views clear (if you really have to) in #kubuntu-offtopic, since that's offtopic in this channel.
[02:12] <knapper> ty
[02:21] <goshua> hey, has anyone tried dapper live cd on a mac?
[02:21] <goshua> i can't get the wireless to work for some reason :(
[02:22] <Pappy_> hello all
[02:25] <goshua> hey
[02:26] <Jeff_> can someone tell me, when RSS feeds are downloaded via akergator are the feeds actually downlaoded to my machine (like a POP mail messgae)?
[02:27] <Jeff_> anyone
[02:27] <goshua> jeff: i don't think they will stick around like a pop wil
[02:27] <goshua> they just open up in akregator, or konqueror
[02:28] <Jeff_> ok, thks hard to find any good info on the app
[02:28] <goshua> well you mean just the feed ?
[02:29] <Jeff_> I mean hard to find info on akregator
[02:29] <goshua> word
[02:29] <Jeff_> ?
[02:29] <goshua> it means yeah
[02:30] <Jeff_> i knew that
[02:30] <Jeff_> :)
[02:30] <Jeff_> im old
[02:32] <tailsfan> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18124 can anyone help me with that
[02:32] <tailsfan> I'm trying to compile kasound
[02:33] <tailsfan> and I keep on getting that error message
[02:33] <geojeff> i installed kubuntu-desktop on a just-upgraded dapper system. i get the kubuntu login dialog, but then it starts up in gnome still.  somewhere to chose kde desktop? (it asked me about gdm vs. kdm on the install, and i chose kdm).
[02:34] <geojeff> i meant just-upgraded ubuntu dapper system
[02:35] <tailsfan> I need help with that
[02:37] <Hawkwind> tailsfan: You need to install something like libxorg-dev
[02:38] <Hawkwind> tailsfan: Anytime you go off compiling things you need to have the -dev packages installed since they contain the header files
[02:46] <tailsfan> will libx11-dev count?
[02:46] <jimmy__> sup folks
[02:46] <jimmy__> I have a dell laptop and I need to get my network card working
[02:46] <tailsfan> Hello
[02:46] <jimmy__> can anybody help?
[02:46] <Hawkwind> tailsfan: That's probably the name of it, yes
[02:47] <tailsfan> K
[02:48] <jimmy__> anyone
[02:49] <intelikey> howto kill " 90 ?  S  0:00 [kswapd0]  "  ???
[02:50] <intelikey> can i rmmod something that would kill that ?
[02:50] <crimsun> no, tis a kernel thread
[02:51] <intelikey> can't be killed ehh
[02:51] <crimsun> however, you could swapoff -a
[02:51] <intelikey> there is no swap ON
[02:51] <crimsun> then you have some pretty horrid memory pressure
[02:51] <jimmy__> can anyone help with a network card or is it that hard
[02:52] <Hawkwind> jimmy__: State your problem
[02:52] <Hawkwind> jimmy__: In detail
[02:52] <timonator> jimmy__: that rimes!
[02:52] <intelikey> "horrid memory pressure" ???   what do you mean ?
[02:52] <timonator> (rhymes?)
[02:52] <jimmy__> oh yeah
[02:52] <jimmy__> I guess it does
[02:52] <crimsun> intelikey: why is kswapd bothering you?
[02:52] <crimsun> maybe I misinterpreted your question
[02:53] <crimsun> kswapd's presence is necessary for normal function
[02:53] <jimmy__> I have a dell truemobile 1300 (in a dell 1100 inspiron)
[02:53] <jimmy__> and I just need it working
[02:53] <intelikey> crimsun just trying to tweek all i can out of the system.   i.e. anything running that's not being used should be killed.
[02:54] <intelikey> like turning off the light when you leave the room.
[02:54] <crimsun> right, but that's an essential part of the vm subsystem
[02:54] <crimsun> I don't think you want to mess with that.
[02:54] <jimmy__> I can see it, but unbuntu wont enable it for more that 1/2 a second
[02:54] <intelikey> why would i want a swap daemon running if i never use any swap ???
[02:55] <crimsun> because it's not just swapping dirty pages to disk
[02:55] <crimsun> it's also in charge of paging period.
[02:56] <intelikey> so your are saying that the kernel "IS" actually using it ?
[02:56] <crimsun> yes
[02:56] <intelikey> now i really want to kill it.  just to see if i can tell any differance   :)
[02:57] <jimmy__> any ideas hawkwind
[02:57] <crimsun> then try it ;-)
[02:57] <intelikey> done did.  haven't found a way to kill it.    now looking for a way to prevent it's starting.
[02:58] <jimmy__> hawkwind: I'm new to all this but did xorg and now it works so I think I could prob do this
[02:59] <stephan> hi
[02:59] <stephan> i install cxoffice AND install FLASH 8.5 Player in it
[02:59] <stephan> it works
[02:59] <stephan> realy cool!
[03:00] <stephan> want to write something about in a wiki, but i need a account :(
[03:00] <crimsun> intelikey: to do that, you'd have to change the source and recompile Linux :)
[03:01] <stephan> but there is a little problem, some pages have a flash version test and they say i have no flash installed, no idea how to bypass that
[03:01] <intelikey> don't tempt me.
[03:01] <jimmy__> everytime I install flash it says it 'FAILED'
[03:02] <fullofyou> hey all
[03:02] <fullofyou> whast up
[03:03] <Whil> "ello
[03:03] <jimmy__> ello
[03:04] <fullofyou> yeah you guys should unban teknoprep so he can help you guys out
[03:04] <fullofyou> he will not swear anymore
[03:04] <Whil> Anybody know what xgl and qt4 is all about?
[03:06] <fullofyou> hmm
[03:07] <fullofyou> ?
[03:08] <wolfmanz> fullofyou i'm sure with his leet skills he can unban himself lol
[03:09] <fullofyou> who teknoprep
[03:09] <fullofyou> yeah i already did
[03:09] <fullofyou> but i am asking nicely
[03:11] <jimmy__> looking for
[03:11] <jimmy__> help
[03:11] <fullofyou> ask the question. and you will get it
[03:12] <jimmy__> as stated 3 times above.. I have a dell inspiron 1100 (dont laugh)
[03:12] <fullofyou> i just joined
[03:12] <jimmy__> and a trumobile 1300 network card
[03:13] <fullofyou> do this
[03:13] <jimmy__> I need taht card working pretty quick
[03:13] <fullofyou> open konsole
[03:13] <jimmy__> ok
[03:13] <smygis>  *laugh@jimmy__*
[03:13] <fullofyou> quickly?
[03:13] <fullofyou> so now i have to doit fast?
[03:13] <jimmy__> no no
[03:13] <fullofyou> jimmy__: open konsole
[03:13] <fullofyou> jimmy__: sudo lspci
[03:13] <jimmy__> I'm sure I wont keep up with you
[03:13] <jimmy__> I just mean I would like it working tonight
[03:13] <fullofyou> jimmy__: copy and paste your results into ... rafb.net/paste
[03:14] <fullofyou> gd it
[03:14] <fullofyou> hey can i like get teknoprep unbanned?
[03:14] <intelikey> /ropic
[03:14] <fullofyou> he can do this mad quik
[03:14] <z2> how do I restart kubuntu from the command line ?
[03:14] <fullofyou> sudo reboot
[03:14] <z2> thanks
[03:14] <intelikey> chris what differance is the nickname ?
[03:15] <fullofyou> i like my name
[03:15] <smygis> z2 sudo shutdown -r -t 1 now
[03:15] <fullofyou> irssi over an ssh tunnel or konversation with links i cn click
[03:15] <omeow> How do I downgrade libxine 1.1.2 to 1.1.1?
[03:15] <smygis> ^^
[03:15] <jimmy__> copy and paste everything?
[03:15] <intelikey> would not the default process string be better guys ?    init 6
[03:16] <jimmy__> more text than expected
[03:16] <fullofyou> jimmy__: just copy and paste it all
[03:16] <intelikey> at least everything should shutdown cleanly that way
[03:17] <fullofyou> init 6 is bad if you are working over ssh
[03:17] <fullofyou> best to use reboot or shutdown -r -t 1 NOW
[03:17] <jimmy__> the last command you gave me
[03:17] <fullofyou> jimmy__: ?
[03:17] <dr_willis> I just slam the alt-ctrl-del keys
[03:17] <dr_willis> :)
[03:17] <jimmy__> where do I type that in
[03:17] <jimmy__> ?
[03:17] <fullofyou> jimmy__: type full then hit tab.. then type
[03:18] <fullofyou> jimmy__: that way i know you are talking to me
[03:18] <jimmy__> fullofyou: ahhh
[03:18] <fullofyou> jimmy__: ty
[03:19] <jimmy__> fullofyou: cool, I gotcha. This is my second week of Linux
[03:19] <fullofyou> jimmy__: that tab thing i just showed you .. its called tab completion
[03:19] <intelikey> dr_willis well  i generally  [sysrq] +[alt] +[U]  && [sysrq] +[alt] +[B]     hehhe takes lots longer to type it than it does for the system to actually repost  :)
[03:19] <jimmy__> fullofyou: so bare with me
[03:19] <fullofyou> jimmy__: you can type in konsole... like... ls then hit tab... and it will bring up all commands that start with ls
[03:20] <fullofyou> jimmy__: just copy and past the results of that lspci into rafb.net/paste
[03:20] <intelikey> it's the next best thing to the old [reset-button]  on the front of the box
[03:20] <fullofyou> jimmy__: i will brbi need to screen this irssi so i don't loose it if i looose connection
[03:20] <jimmy__> fullofyou: got it
[03:20] <fullofyou> jimmy__: brb
[03:20] <fullofyou> exit
[03:22] <stodge> To upgrade a new Breezy installation to Dapper, do I just replace breezy with dapper in sources.list?
[03:23] <Hawkwind> !upgrade
[03:23] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade  Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades  Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development version.
[03:24] <intelikey> well crimsun that and one other kernel string is all the un-approved processes on this box.  [pdflush]     so i guess i'll leave well enough alone rather than trying to get it any 'weller'     thanks for the answer eariler.
[03:25] <fullofyou> ok back
[03:25] <fullofyou> brb
[03:25] <intelikey> stodge yes and then    sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:25] <jimmy__> cool
[03:25] <stodge> Thanks
[03:26] <fullofyou> ok back jimmy__
[03:26] <fullofyou> jimmy__: did you paset that yet?
[03:26] <intelikey> with a little luck you wont need tech support to get it to boot  :)
[03:27] <jimmy__> fullofyou: I typed ls in the konsole
[03:27] <fullofyou> jimmy__: nono type lspci
[03:27] <jimmy__> fullofyou: oops,     k
[03:27] <fullofyou> jimmy__: then paste the results into rafb.net/paste
[03:28] <intelikey> that being a lappy   lshw might be more useful       just a thought.
[03:29] <jimmy__> fullofyou: yeah thats what confused me, rafb.net is bad command
[03:29] <fullofyou> dude
[03:29] <smygis> :O
[03:29] <fullofyou> jimmy__: rafb.net/paste   its a website
[03:29] <jimmy__> fullofyou: where do I type that?
[03:29] <fullofyou> jimmy__: in a web browser
[03:29] <jimmy__> lol
[03:29] <Hawkwind> http://rafb.net/paste
[03:29] <Hawkwind> That way new users know it's a website
[03:29] <jimmy__> fullofyou: thought you were getting fancy
[03:29] <fullofyou> jimmy__: i need you to copy and paste the results of lspci into that helpful link Hawkwind  just gave you
[03:30] <intelikey> "Snake[Away] "   sounds like something you might buy in an arosol-can
[03:30] <fullofyou> unban teknoprep
[03:30] <jimmy__> doing it now
[03:31] <jimmy__> fullofyou: done
[03:31] <fullofyou> jimmy__: now give me the link
[03:31] <Hawkwind> jimmy__: Paste us the resulting URL
[03:31] <fullofyou> this is ruff
[03:31] <Hawkwind> LOL
[03:31] <jimmy__> http://rafb.net/paste/results/FWf07v89.html
[03:32] <fullofyou> http://rafb.net/paste/results/FWf07v89.html
[03:32] <jimmy__> lol, sorry guys
[03:32] <fullofyou> Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02
[03:32] <Lord_Athur> hi all, what's the name of the program used for updating?, it comes by default
[03:32] <fullofyou> great
[03:32] <fullofyou> he has one of those
[03:32] <Hawkwind> Lord_Athur: adept ?
[03:32] <Lord_Athur> I'm using kubuntu 6.06
[03:32] <fullofyou> you have to use the ndiswrapper for that.. lol
[03:32] <jimmy__> same here
[03:32] <jimmy__> 6.06
[03:32] <fullofyou> jimmy__: type this in konsole
[03:33] <fullofyou> jimmy__: ifconfig
[03:33] <Hawkwind> Lord_Athur: You can do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade as well from CLI
[03:33] <fullofyou> jimmy__: then   iwconfig
[03:33] <fullofyou> jimmy__: paste all the results in rafb.net/paste
[03:33] <intelikey> Hawkwind he may be asking the name of the update daemon
[03:34] <Hawkwind> intelikey: Yeah I really don't know what he's asking for.  I'm just kind of guessing
[03:34] <fullofyou> jimmy__: you gettting this done?
[03:35] <jimmy__> yep
[03:35] <isede> i have strange problem with Perl installation - when i am trying to use CPAN command every install ation attempt ends with errors. even Bundle::CPAN. anybody has a n advice?
[03:35] <jimmy__> http://rafb.net/paste/results/9atQYx13.html
[03:35] <Lord_Athur> Hawkwind, no, adept seems to be a program used for (un)installing, I want to run the one that comes by default, the one that installs updates only.
[03:35] <fullofyou> w0ot
[03:35] <fullofyou> jimmy__: w0ot w0ot w0ot
[03:36] <fullofyou> jimmy__: you can do this eas
[03:36] <fullofyou> jimmy__: do you have a wep key on your wireless router?
[03:36] <jimmy__> fullofyou: sweet
[03:36] <fullofyou> jimmy__: or is it no set yet?
[03:36] <jimmy__> fullofyou: one prob
[03:36] <fullofyou> jimmy__: ?
[03:36] <Kadran> hi, is there is a way that i can open my linux pc from a widows pc through the internet, something like pcanywhere??
[03:37] <jimmy__> fullofyou: I am fixing this for my bro-in-law
[03:37] <fullofyou> jimmy__: what kind of router is it?
[03:37] <jimmy__> he lives 7 houses down from minefull
[03:37] <intelikey> Lord_Athur you mean the little tray icon that says you have a bizillion updates waiting to be installed ?
[03:37] <isede> Kadran: you can use remote desktop or VNC
[03:37] <fullofyou> jimmy__: do you have the wep key or not??
[03:37] <Lord_Athur> intelikey, yes
[03:37] <jimmy__> fullofyou: Linksys
[03:38] <fullofyou> jimmy__: do you have the wep key?
[03:38] <fullofyou> jimmy__: is the router even set up for wep?
[03:38] <intelikey> and you click it and it installs them ?
[03:38] <jimmy__> full yes
[03:38] <jimmy__> full yes
[03:38] <fullofyou> jimmy__: this is what you have to type in for now... untill you learn the guil tools
[03:38] <intelikey> yeah i have no clue what it's called.   but sudo apt-get upgrade   will do the same thing
[03:39] <Kadran> isede: i tried this but nothing appeare in windows, is there is kind of permission that i must make for linux to be able to use remotedesktop from windowS?
[03:39] <jimmy__> ok
[03:40] <intelikey> Lord_Athur also if you want to install kernel and libc updates make it   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:40] <fullofyou> jimmy__: you need to type this into konsole when you are in range of the wireless router
[03:40] <isede> i know that mandriva had some easy configuration options - but i normally use TightVNC
[03:40] <Lord_Athur> thanks
[03:40] <isede> or UltraVNC
[03:40] <jimmy__> fullofyou:  the laptop I am on was using windows and it worked on the network (if taht helps)
[03:40] <fullofyou> jimmy__: sudo iwconfig eth1 essid "the sid of the router" key "the wep key"
[03:40] <fullofyou> jimmy__: you know what an sid is ?
[03:40] <Kadran> ok thanks i will try
[03:41] <jimmy__> fullofyou:  no
[03:41] <intelikey> venella upgrade leaves out system packages.  dist- adds them.
[03:41] <jimmy__> fullofyou:  do I need top take the card out to find out?
[03:41] <jimmy__> to
[03:41] <fullofyou> ?
[03:42] <Hawkwind> fullofyou: Got me why you got kicked
[03:42] <jimmy__> fullofyou:  is the sid a # on the wireless card?
[03:42] <fullofyou> jumnono its the name you gaave your wireless router
[03:42] <Hawkwind> jimmy__: If it's a linksys router, it's probably 'linksys'  unless it's been changed
[03:43] <Ayiden> I am having trouble with the new kubuntu CD I am getting the error when hitting "Click Start or Install" I even get the error when clicking safe graphics. [4294668.330000]  MP-Bios BUg: 8254 timer not connected IO-APIC.
[03:44] <Ayiden> Any Idea's?
[03:44] <jimmy__> full crap so I need to be in range to set it up? (in other words I cant set it up and test it later?)
[03:44] <jimmy__> full my house is just out of range of the network
[03:45] <wolfmanz> Ayiden did you check the CD to see if it got messed up when burning?
[03:45] <Ayiden> I burned it twice and redownloaded etc...
[03:45] <jimmy__> fullI'm on my connection now (direct connection)
[03:45] <Ayiden> I did not however run the cd check utility
[03:45] <Hawkwind> jimmy__: He's gone.  If you used full(hit the tab key) you would see that
[03:45] <wolfmanz> run that
[03:45] <wolfmanz> and see what it says
[03:46] <Hawkwind> Ayiden: Did you md5sum the downloaded ISO before burning ?
[03:46] <Ayiden> I didnt get the error On the test cd's prior to the one before release
[03:46] <Ayiden> alright I also tried the dvd as well
[03:46] <jimmy__> I do
[03:46] <Ayiden> got same error -.-
[03:46] <ShuT-> omg
[03:47] <ShuT-> cant help you
[03:47] <ShuT-> cant read it :(
[03:47] <ShuT-> to sdrink
[03:47] <jimmy__> I gotcha
[03:47] <ShuT-> drunk*
[03:47] <ShuT-> :o)
[03:47] <jimmy__> his connection must suck
[03:47] <Ayiden> Okay well i will check sum it But if thats not it then what do I do?
[03:47] <jimmy__> tahst why cable modem gets my vote
[03:48] <jimmy__> thats
[03:48] <wolfmanz> Ayiden if your getting a error message trying feeding that into google maybe someone else has run into your probelm and got a fix for it
[03:49] <jimmy__> Hawkwind: do you know how to fix my wireless network card?
[03:50] <CheeseBurgerMan> jimmy__: What's wrong with it?
[03:50] <Ayiden> I found this thread I think ill try it http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1113623
[03:50] <jimmy__> CheeseBurgerMan: wont connect with the network
[03:51] <jimmy__> CheeseBurgerMan: fresh install of 6.06
[03:51] <CheeseBurgerMan> What card?
[03:51] <jimmy__> trumobile 1300   dell
[03:52] <Ayiden> I have ati 200M though
[03:52] <Ayiden> radeon xpress
[03:53] <jimmy__> problem is I am doing this for a bro. and the laptop is at my house and not his
[03:53] <jimmy__> so I am not on a network
[03:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> Is there WEP/WPA?
[03:53] <CheeseBurgerMan> Maybe you should wait until you can actually try if before you attempt fixing it. :P
[03:54] <jimmy__> dont know any 3's
[03:54] <jimmy__> oops
[03:54] <jimmy__> #'s
[03:54] <Whil> any chance of getting zen for ubuntu?
[03:55] <jimmy__> wep/wpa are numbers, right?
[03:55] <Ayiden> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=6020.from1152419935;topicseen hmmm or maybe I should try that
[03:56] <Ayiden> I dont know if I have that setting in the bios tho... hmmm
[03:56] <Ayiden> i can check...
[03:57] <jimmy__> CheeseBurgerMan: wpa/wep ..... are they numbers?
[03:58] <CheeseBurgerMan> wep/wpa are wireless encryption.
[03:58] <jimmy__> oh
[03:59] <jimmy__> no there is no encryption
[03:59] <larson9999> i'm thinking about installing kubuntu on my wife's laptop and she's got a truemobile 1300, too.  i think
[04:00] <jimmy__> CheeseBurgerMan: shouldnt that make it easier if there is no encryption?
[04:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> jimmy__: Yes.
[04:02] <CheeseBurgerMan> jimmy__: I'm not sure what to do if you aren't actually in range of the network.
[04:02] <jimmy__> CheeseBurgerMan: crap
[04:03] <jimmy__> CheeseBurgerMan: I understand.... I will try tomorrow at his house
[04:04] <jimmy__> CheeseBurgerMan: thanx for your help
[04:04] <CheeseBurgerMan> You're welcome, although I didn't do anything.
[04:05] <CheeseBurgerMan> If you can get on IRC at his house, do so. It'll be much easier when you have all the pieces. :)
[04:05] <jimmy__> at least you talked to me, it took me almost all day for just that
[04:05] <jimmy__> understood I will be there tomorrow
[04:05] <jimmy__> thanx again
[04:10] <jimmy__> question....  KPPP  <----  Is that a program that enables you to talk from pc to phone
[04:10] <unix_infidel> jimmy__: skype can do that.
[04:11] <LjL> jimmy__: no
[04:11] <jimmy__> ok
[04:11] <dr_willis> jimmy__,  thats for dialup internet useers
[04:11] <LjL> and, besides the proprietary Skype, many SIP clients can do that, too (you need an account with a SIP provider of course)
[04:11] <jimmy__> does it cost?
[04:12] <jimmy__> I thought skype service was free
[04:12] <unix_infidel> jimmy__: no skype is free.
[04:12] <unix_infidel> for now.
[04:12] <LjL> pc to phone?
[04:12] <jimmy__> ahh
[04:12] <unix_infidel> in the US yes.
[04:12] <jimmy__> yes pc to phone
[04:13] <LjL> hm won't remain so that long, i smell
[04:13] <jimmy__> would that be in the list of programs I can download from Ubuntu?
[04:13] <dr_willis> i though pc to pc was free.
[04:13] <larson9999> there are cell phones now that you can use with skype and have them ring your phone for tons less than your company would charge
[04:13] <dr_willis> !skype
[04:13] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Skype To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[04:13] <larson9999> pc to pc is free, isn't it?
[04:13] <ShuT-> yup
[04:14] <LjL> and for a free SIP client on KDE, i suggest WengoPhone, which is now in the repositories. failing that, there's KPhone, Twinkle and KCall
[04:14] <dr_willis> i remember Dialpad.com years ago.
[04:14] <larson9999> i used skype years ago but now my wife and son just webcam with her family in thailand
[04:14] <jimmy__> I remember dialpad started it all, I beleive
[04:14] <jimmy__> back in the day
[04:14] <jimmy__> it was all free
[04:14] <larson9999> yeah, i used dialpad before skype
[04:15] <jimmy__> I called my girlfriend (now wife) with it
[04:15] <dr_willis> and the ad-banner-bar at the bottom of the screen - free dialup ISPS :)
[04:15] <larson9999> jimmy__: then it wasn't free at all for you.  rather expensive i'm guessing
[04:15] <jimmy__> larson9999: lol, true...... I'm still paying for it!!!!!!
[04:16] <larson9999> :)
[04:16] <Ayiden> Okay I get the same MP-Bios bug even when I try the to check the cd
[04:16] <larson9999> kinda like the $1,000 free buffets they give away at casinos
[04:17] <Ayiden> When I pass pci=noappi on boot I get to boot but it stops at hardware drivers etc..
[04:17] <Ayiden> -.-
[04:17] <Ayiden> the cd before the live installer worked fine
[04:17] <LjL> i have a nice free number i can *receive* calls from, but not initiate calls. there's been one - two actually - free pc-to-phone services here, but they lasted *really* little
[04:18] <CheeseBurgerMan> Ayiden: I believe there is an 'Alternate Install CD' with the old text based installer. You may want to try it, if you think the live installer is what's killing you.
[04:18] <Ayiden> I downloaded it and am trying that next
[04:19] <CheeseBurgerMan> OK, looks like you don't need me after all. :)
[04:19] <jimmy__> dialup is rather choppy
[04:19] <jimmy__> cable ir dsl is cool thought to talk
[04:19] <Ayiden> But I get this when the kernel boots...
[04:19] <Ayiden> so if this doesnt work im doomed...
[04:19] <jimmy__> sheesh I cant type
[04:20] <Ayiden> i dont want to go through the breezy to dapper update i wont wont!!!!!
[04:20] <Ayiden> ha ha
[04:20] <Ayiden> okay well time to burn that iso
[04:20] <CheeseBurgerMan> hehe, I did. I've never actually tried Ubuquity.
[04:22] <unix_infidel> Ayiden: i had the same mentality.
[04:22] <unix_infidel> but i think i might need to soon enough.
[04:24] <Ayiden> They expect to support it for the next few years... I just wish it would boot. I mean I have no problems at all with breezy. The dapper cd in beta used to go fine and then the one before the release didnt work and now the release wont work I get the same Mp-bios bug error
[04:27] <_redondos> hi
[04:28] <larson9999> the cd i burned only booted about 1 out of 5 tries :)
[04:28] <_redondos> anyone who made work Xgl and Compiz on Kubuntu ?
[04:28] <Desh> Hi all! I repartitioned my drive and now have an empty ntfs partition, hda3, which I would like to add to fstab, how do I do this?
[04:29] <larson9999> crap, i have to install about 50 devs to get this thing to boot
[04:29] <OOD> _redondos: check compiz.net there's a bunch of ways of getting it to work
[04:30] <_redondos> ok
[04:30] <OOD> _redondos: i haven't had any luck with getting xgl to work in kubuntu, also check channel xgl. they could help you out
[04:30] <_redondos> I haven't seen that page.. but I tried with other guides.. and nothing
[04:30] <_redondos> ahh ok
[04:30] <_redondos> it exists...
[04:31] <_redondos> which card do you have OOD ?
[04:31] <actinic> hi is this the windows channel?
[04:31] <actinic> :)
[04:31] <OOD> _redondos: Geforce FX 5700LR
[04:31] <OOD> LE*
[04:32] <OOD> actinic: yes. we do mental checkups here ;)
[04:32] <_redondos> well... I tell you..
[04:33] <_redondos> I could run xgl in root mode
[04:33] <_redondos> the only effect I could run was... the cube
[04:34] <_redondos> to switch like a cube
[04:34] <_redondos> (sorry by my english)
[04:34] <_redondos> I see.. that some plugins are missing
[04:35] <_redondos> plugins that make work the effects like translucency
[04:35] <_redondos> and... when I run compiz I lost the windows borders
[04:36] <OOD> yea i had the same problem
[04:36] <actinic> !windows
[04:36] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. Also see http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 - !equivalents - http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[04:36] <actinic> lol
[04:36] <OOD> :D
[04:36] <_redondos> ahh ok
[04:36] <_redondos> well..
[04:39] <_redondos> I installed app-install-data, it seems that there are some plugins you need
[04:47] <Daiferas> Hi. Anyone care to help me out quickly? I'm a complete newb, but should be able to learn easily. I need help setting up my wireless card using ndiswrapper. The problem is that I'm completely unfamiliar with any shell commands, and don't understand how to setup ndiswrapper (though I can, of course, extract it, etc., using the GUI).
[04:49] <Daiferas> Hello?
[04:50] <timthelion> hello
[04:50] <Daiferas> Hi timthelion. Did you happen to see my earlier message? I'm looking for a bit of help.
[04:51] <larson9999> Daiferas: well, i think you picked the easiest thing to start with
[04:51] <Daiferas> That's good. :)
[04:51] <larson9999> oh wait. maybe not.
[04:51] <timthelion> sec
[04:52] <larson9999> sometime today maybe this compile will finish... how do the gentoo folks manage?
[04:53] <timthelion> have you tried this http://diabolikal.org/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.75
[04:53] <Daiferas> Let me look.
[04:54] <Daiferas> ... that looks like it may help quite a bit tim. I'll save it to a textfile and try it out in a bit. Thank you!
[04:55] <larson9999> i figure if we all convert one person a month and that person does the same in no time at all the manufactures will have to start shipping drivers.
[04:55] <Daiferas> that'd be pretty nice
[04:56] <larson9999> for personal use of course.  i like all the money M$ generates for me at work :)
[04:59] <Daiferas> Ok, I'm going to try to get it to work. Thanks again.
[05:01] <BlackDagger> hi
[05:02] <timthelion> hello
[05:03] <BlackDagger> if I want to patch a system translation, what would I need?
[05:05] <Whil> anybody have an idea to share on how fast qemu is?
[05:06] <OOD> Whil: from what it says on the website 5-10 times slower than nativ
[05:07] <OOD> and with some experimental virtualization support from the cpu, 1-2
[05:07] <Steven_M> when I try to disconect my router from the outside world, (via the router web interface) in order to do some local network experiments, it kept automatically reconnecting. Is there some "autmatically connect to the internet" setting in linux that i can disable?
[05:07] <Whil> ood: thats not good.
[05:08] <Whil> ood: so basically it may not even be worth the effort?
[05:08] <OOD> Whil: depends what you want to be doing with it
[05:08] <OOD> i haven't used it yet personally
[05:09] <Whil> ood: I want to use it for SUSE. I have a friend who has used nothing but Suse and uses my machine sometimes. I'm just wondering if qemu is practical for this application.
[05:11] <Whil> Still haven't had much luck with remote logins either. :(
[05:14] <contemporaneo> from chile
[05:19] <larson9999> here's a trick question: i'm getting an error that tells me to install the glut development package.  i got all the stuff that say glut in the name already installed.  what is the glut dev package called?
[05:20] <robotgeek> larson9999: apt-cache search glut | grep dev
[05:20] <section31_> Hello
[05:21] <larson9999> robotgeek: yeah, i did that and have what it says is the right one installed
[05:21] <I_Died_Once> my screen savers dont wanna work
[05:21] <unix_infidel> how can i change the amount of time before the LCD on my laptop shuts off in /etc/acpi
[05:21] <I_Died_Once> Kcontrol says they're enabled, but they dont come on
[05:22] <robotgeek> larson9999: it might tell you which file you have missing
[05:22] <larson9999> robotgeek: what might tell me?
[05:22] <OOD> I_Died_Once: did you upgrade to KDE 3.5.3?
[05:22] <I_Died_Once> yeah, but it didnt work before then either
[05:22] <robotgeek> larson9999: when you compile it
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[05:23] <larson9999> robotgeek: actually this is the configure that's telling me i don't have the glut development package installed
[05:23] <robotgeek> larson9999: what are you trying to install?
[05:24] <OOD> I_Died_Once: hmm, this is a screensaver bug that happens after the upgrade, but maybe it'll help you too: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=6212.0
[05:24] <larson9999> robotgeek: yeah
[05:24] <robotgeek> larson9999: compile, rather?
[05:24] <larson9999> robotgeek: yeah but first configure :)
[05:24] <robotgeek> larson9999: name of package please
[05:24] <larson9999> screenkast
[05:25] <unix_infidel> how can i increase the time before my laptop LCD shuts off in /etc/acpi?
[05:26] <larson9999> robotgeek: here is the line that makes it think i don't have glut installed: checking for glutInit in -lglut... no
[05:26] <abattoir> unix_infidel: you do not want to do it through Kcontrol?
[05:27] <robotgeek> larson9999: go ahead with the compile, it just might be a feature turned off
[05:28] <abattoir> unix_infidel: KControl->Peripherals->Display->Power Saving.
[05:30] <Desh> If I want to unmount an iso image I mounted to a directory such as media/iso, would I (a) sudo umount <iso dir>   or (b) sudo umount /media/iso
[05:30] <robotgeek> Desh: sudo umount <path>
[05:31] <larson9999> robotgeek: how do i do that?  i've always configured first and then make, make install.
[05:31] <robotgeek> larson9999: not an issue unless you get an error with the ./configure
[05:31] <Desh> robotgeek: path to iso or to the dir?
[05:31] <larson9999> robotgeek: yes, that's where i'm getting the error.
[05:32] <robotgeek> Desh: mounted directory
[05:33] <Desh> robotgeek: thanks.
[05:33] <robotgeek> larson9999: hmm, not sure. sorry
[05:33] <Desh>  I have a partition that I will install XP on, hda3, now this partition was originally recognized by buntu, not added to fstab, so I added it and told it to mount to /media/hda3, but it won't auto mount and it says that only root can mount it.
[05:33] <Snake[Away] > anyone know any mplayer scripts for show whats playing on irssi?
[05:34] <robotgeek> Snake: i could tell you, but then i would have to kick you :)
[05:34] <Snake> robotgeek: wha??
[05:35] <robotgeek> Snake: /kick you off irc :)
[05:35] <Snake> robotgeek: Okay then /msg me it??
[05:35] <Snake> lol
[05:35] <Snake> robotgeek: if your joking, im really not following :P  sorry
[05:35] <robotgeek> Snake: just kidding
[05:36] <Snake> lol
[05:36] <Snake> robotgeek: in that case, do you have any?
[05:36] <Snake> :-P
[05:36] <robotgeek> nope
[05:36] <Snake> :(
[05:38] <Snake> !info bitlbee
[05:38] <ubotu> bitlbee: An IRC to other chat networks gateway. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-1 (dapper), package size 291 kB, installed size 756 kB
[05:38] <Snake> great!
[05:40] <Daiferas> timthelion, are you still there?
[05:40] <timthelion> yes
[05:40] <timthelion> why?
[05:40] <timthelion> did it work?
[05:40] <Daiferas> well, the instructions didn't quite work
[05:41] <timthelion> ok
[05:41] <timthelion> what happend?
[05:41] <Daiferas> or at all, really. one second and I'll be specific
[05:41] <Daiferas> basically, when it told me to load (I think?) any package, I didn't have the package available, such as build-essentials
[05:42] <Daiferas> it also didn't recognize the command "sudo ndiswrapper <etc>", such as when I was supposed to install the driver
[05:42] <Daiferas> though I guess now it wouldn't unless ndiswrapper installed
[05:42] <doppelganger_> whats the equivalent of daemon tools for kubunu, that can be added through adept?
[05:43] <timthelion> and you had typed sudo apt-get install ndisswraper whith no luck?
[05:43] <Daiferas> yes
[05:43] <timthelion> error?
[05:43] <Daiferas> it said something about building tree, and that it couldn't find the ndiswrapper package
[05:44] <Daiferas> mm, yes, it said E: could not find etc.
[05:44] <abattoir> !info ndiswrapper-utils
[05:44] <ubotu> ndiswrapper-utils: Userspace utilities for ndiswrapper. In repository main, is optional. Version 1.8-0ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 27 kB, installed size 136 kB
[05:44] <abattoir> ^^^^ that's the name of the package
[05:44] <timthelion> ah
[05:44] <Daiferas> I'll change that, then. what about build-essentials?
[05:44] <Daiferas> wait, ndiswrapper-utils is what I used. that was in the instructions
[05:44] <Daiferas> sorry :)
[05:45] <timthelion> you need internet for build essentials
[05:45] <timthelion> um
[05:46] <timthelion> what does apt-cache search ndisswraper get you?
[05:46] <Daiferas> I can download something with my windows installation and access it?
[05:46] <Daiferas> I'm not on Kubuntu right now, I have to reboot to it. on a dual boot currently to compare
[05:46] <timthelion> ok
[05:46] <unix_infidel> abattoir: i dont run the kde daemons at startup.
[05:46] <timthelion> and you have no internet
[05:46] <unix_infidel> otherwise, i would use them.
[05:46] <timthelion> at all
[05:47] <abattoir> unix_infidel: aah, ok :)
[05:47] <Daiferas> no, not without the wireless, I'm afraid
[05:48] <timthelion> what is your wireless card ?
[05:48] <Daiferas> 3com wireless abg. I found the serial listed in the ndiswrapper adapters, and have the drivers downloaded, etc.
[05:48] <timthelion> ok
[05:49] <timthelion> can you accsess the files from linux?
[05:49] <section31_> Daiferas: Did you try KNetworkManager?
[05:49] <Sebenza> i'm having a weird problem using an ice1724 card... the module is all loaded and everything and sound comes out of my speakers just fine, but not the headphones plugged into the jack next to them
[05:49] <Sebenza> i turned up everything in alsamixer, any ideas?
[05:50] <Daiferas> tim: yes, I can access anything i download from linux no problem
[05:50] <Daiferas> section31: yes, I tried the network manager first, filling in the ssid and key, but my wireless card shows no activity, etc.
[05:50] <section31_> Weird.
[05:51] <Daiferas> i looked it up on ubuntu wiki, and it said I needed ndiswrapper for the card, and that it won't work out of the box, etc.
[05:51] <section31_> Ahh.
[05:51] <intelikey> Sebenza maybe an idiot question but, are you sure it's a headphone jack, and not a mic jack ?
[05:52] <Sebenza> yeah it's the same one that worked in windows
[05:52] <Daiferas> where can I get the build-essentials to compile the ndiswrapper?
[05:53] <intelikey> k  just mentioned it cause i have seen that happen.
[05:53] <intelikey> Daiferas sudo apt-get build-essentials
[05:53] <Cornellius> forgot install
[05:54] <intelikey> Daiferas sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[05:54] <Daiferas> no internet :) trying to compile ndiswrapper so my wireless card will work for that
[05:54] <intelikey> ooops
[05:54] <intelikey> if i wasn't lagging so much...
[05:55] <intelikey> Daiferas i thought b-e was on the install cd ??
[05:55] <sceptre> hey
[05:55] <Daiferas> apparently not :( if it is, I'm using the wrong command
[05:55] <timthelion> ndisswrapper should be on the cd though.
[05:56] <sceptre> Can anyone help me get Knetwork-Manager working?
[05:56] <doppelganger_> anyone know how to burn a bin/cue in kubuntu?
[05:56] <doppelganger_> =\
[05:56] <doppelganger_> er, emulate
[05:56] <doppelganger_> like daemon tools
[05:56] <timthelion> try restarting in linux. puting in the cd.  then typing apt-get update.  then try installing ndisswraper-utils
[05:57] <Daiferas> okay
[05:57] <timthelion> sudo
[05:57] <Healot> !info bchunk
[05:57] <ubotu> bchunk: CD image format conversion from bin/cue to iso/cdr. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1.2.0-1 (dapper), package size 12 kB, installed size 68 kB
[05:58] <Daiferas> I also just found the build-essentials and make package to download, so I will try that as well
[05:58] <timthelion> you will need a sudo to do any apt-get
[05:58] <intelikey> i'm pretty sure it was installed here by default from the live-cd install (talk about a mess)  but build-essential is no longer installed so i can't even give you a list of what it depends on, for you to dl....   sorry Daiferas
[05:59] <doppelganger_> thanks healot  ;)
[05:59] <Daiferas> hmm
[05:59] <sceptre> eck..
[05:59] <Daiferas> well, I'll try what I can
[05:59] <sceptre> does anyone here use Knetwork Manager?
[05:59] <intelikey> Daiferas you do know there is no 's' on the end of 'build-essential'    right ?
[06:00] <intelikey> build-essential - informational list of build-essential packages
[06:00] <actinic> hmm, 'NEVER use sudo to start graphical programs. You should always use gksudo or kdesu to run such programs'
[06:00] <actinic> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo#head-41f3dd73398f474add30ba1d73284d89900f19e2
[06:01] <unix_infidel> does that count :P
[06:01] <unix_infidel> LOL
[06:01] <actinic> this concludes your lesson for the day :)
[06:01] <Daiferas> okay, thanks to everyone, then. I'll try it out. if it fails, I'm going to sleep :P
[06:01] <intelikey> or know how to 'own' your home if sudid app messes up perms...
[06:01] <Daiferas> have a good one
[06:03] <sceptre> hey
[06:04] <intelikey> delete or deleet ?
 hmm, 'NEVER use sudo to start graphical programs. You should always use gksudo or kdesu to run such programs' <--Why is that?
[06:04] <posthuman> o.O
[06:05] <intelikey> premissions
[06:06] <sceptre> ooh fux0rs
[06:06] <sceptre> I need knetworkmanager, yo dawgz
[06:06] <sceptre> are we chill?
[06:06] <intelikey> things running as root with the users environment settings can hose perms and then the user wont be able to start the GUI
[06:06] <Healot> !info knetworkmanager
[06:06] <ubotu> knetworkmanager: User friendly KDE frontend for NetworkManager. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.1~svn-r533312-0ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 263 kB, installed size 1412 kB
[06:06] <Healot> there you dog...
[06:07] <posthuman> oh intel
[06:07] <posthuman> didnt know that
[06:07] <posthuman> I always just sudo, never had a problem
[06:07] <posthuman> but I'll remember that now
[06:08] <section31_> Looks like someone is trying to create a unified package manager for every flavor of *NIX: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/07/07/1612259
[06:08] <intelikey> try it with nautilus some time... :)
[06:08] <posthuman> !info networkmanager
[06:08] <ubotu> Package networkmanager does not exist in dapper
[06:08] <posthuman> ah I don't use nautilus
[06:08] <posthuman> lolz
[06:09] <intelikey> not sure what all else will wreck things knoqueror maybe, idk.
[06:09] <OOD> intelikey: i haven't noticed a single difference between sudo and kdesu or gksudo
[06:09] <Healot> section31_: you know what? reinventing the wheel :0
[06:09] <RawSewage_> or su
[06:09] <posthuman> yeah, I've loaded up konqueror with sudo
[06:09] <sceptre> i got networkmanager working when I was using the shitty gnome Ubuntu
[06:09] <posthuman> no problem
[06:09] <jimmy__> is the SLI option really worth all the fuss?
[06:10] <intelikey> depends on the added switches OOD
[06:10] <sceptre> but I can't get the KDE knetworkmanager installed
[06:10] <posthuman> lol scept
[06:10] <posthuman> ew gnome =x
[06:10] <sceptre> I hate gnome..
[06:10] <posthuman> me too
[06:10] <posthuman> I tried using it for like a week
[06:10] <posthuman> couldn't take it
[06:10] <sceptre> But I can't figure out Adept package manager
[06:10] <posthuman> lol
[06:10] <sceptre> I need this knetworkmanager :'(
[06:10] <posthuman> have you enabled the other repos?  multiverse, etc..?
[06:10] <posthuman> adept is pretty easy
[06:10] <sceptre> I've no idea..
[06:10] <abattoir> sceptre: what exactly do you not get about adept, if i may ask? :)
[06:11] <posthuman> oh hehe
[06:11] <sceptre> how to install knetworkmanager
[06:11] <sceptre> :-P
[06:11] <posthuman> i'll look at mine in a moment
[06:11] <sceptre> i don't understand the setup of the system..
[06:11] <sceptre> repositories and all
[06:11] <intelikey> sceptre open a terminal and type   sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager
[06:11] <abattoir> sceptre: so its linux package management rather than adept?
[06:11] <Hawkwind> sceptre: So why not just use apt-get from CLI ?
[06:12] <sceptre> I suppose
[06:12] <sceptre> I tried..
[06:12] <posthuman> open adept > view + manage repositories
[06:12] <sceptre> But when I do it says dependencies don't exist on the system
[06:12] <posthuman> enable multiverse...I believe
[06:12] <posthuman> appply it
[06:12] <Hawkwind> But you need to enable multiverse and stuff like that
[06:12] <intelikey> if it doesn't work show me the error.
[06:12] <Hawkwind> !multiverse
[06:12] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and !easysource
[06:12] <posthuman> then 'fetch updates'
[06:12] <intelikey> only the error.
[06:12] <Healot> here dog, fetch!
[06:12] <abattoir> sceptre: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu might be a bit more useful :)
[06:12] <sceptre> how do you enable multiverse?
[06:13] <posthuman> just as I said above
[06:13] <posthuman> lol
[06:13] <sceptre> ah
[06:13] <sceptre> sorry
[06:13] <posthuman> ohh
[06:13] <posthuman> right click + enable
[06:13] <posthuman> heh
[06:13] <posthuman> just find it in the list
[06:13] <Hawkwind> sceptre: Read the URL above that ubotu posted
[06:14] <intelikey> add the word "multiverse" to the end of the line in file /etc/apt/suorces.list
[06:14] <Healot> enabling sections in repos is as simple as appending "universe multiverse" at each and every repos entry in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:15] <intelikey> like this;  deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[06:15] <posthuman> yes
[06:15] <Healot> good example by intelikey
[06:15] <Desh> since when did reconfigure xserver-xorg get a GUI!?
[06:16] <intelikey> Healot actually, multiverse won't work on all repos.  maybe backports  i don't recall but one of them will puke if you add multi*
[06:16] <aegeanlinux> Desh: Since the porgrammers programmed it.
[06:16] <Healot> well. not all repos lines then
[06:16] <sceptre> it's all commented outm that file
[06:17] <intelikey> so remove the # from the lines you want.
[06:18] <Desh> Can anyone tell me why I get this when I use apt-get or open up files from Konsole? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18133
[06:19] <Healot> the repos line format >> deb <URL> <repos name> <sections...>
[06:19] <intelikey> sceptre now when you "save" that file.    do  sudo apt-get update        and you will be ready to go.
[06:19] <sceptre> thanks
[06:19] <sceptre> having trouble saving it..
[06:19] <sceptre> brb
[06:19] <sceptre> :-P
[06:19] <intelikey> ajp
[06:20] <Daiferas> I think I've narrowed it down a bit, tim. I found the packages on the cd and tried to install them, but I get an error, saying the archive doesn't exist. I can't install any packages
[06:20] <intelikey> cause it's a system file.... you have to open it as root
[06:20] <Daiferas> it asked for the root password before it proceeded to try to install
[06:20] <intelikey> so this is your first day with linux ???
[06:20] <Daiferas> yep, pretty much
[06:21] <posthuman> eh it took me a long time to get use to the whole linux thing ;)
[06:21] <Healot> heh, ironically i don;t use linux atm
[06:21] <Daiferas> well, apart from the problems i'm having now, i've liked it a lot so far
[06:21] <Daiferas> the communities seem especially helpful
[06:22] <posthuman> I still have issues sometimes, but I can almost always fix them
[06:22] <posthuman> and yeah the ubuntu community is awesome
[06:22] <posthuman> better than most
[06:22] <posthuman> from my experience
[06:22] <posthuman> :P
[06:22] <intelikey> desh you have wacom enabled in xorg.conf
[06:22] <posthuman> desh left sir
[06:22] <posthuman> :(
[06:22] <posthuman> lol.
[06:22] <britto> alguem fala portugues aqui?
[06:22] <Daiferas> but anyway, does anyone know why I can't install any packages?
[06:23] <sceptre> wow..
[06:23] <posthuman> what is the error you get daif?
[06:23] <sceptre> It's doing something..:)
[06:23] <britto> se tiver um brasileiro que saque legal NFS to precisando de ajuda
[06:23] <sceptre> Thanks
[06:23] <intelikey> posthuman yes i see that.  my lag time is high.
[06:23] <Daiferas> I don't know exactly, but something to the effect of "archive does not exist"
[06:23] <Daiferas> even though I right clicked the package and chose to install it :P
[06:23] <britto> algum brasileiro na area?
[06:24] <Healot> !br
[06:24] <sceptre> wow..
[06:24] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[06:24] <sceptre> Blast you guys..
[06:24] <posthuman> hmm
[06:24] <sceptre> You're great..
[06:24] <intelikey> Daiferas didnt you say the box is not networked yet ?
[06:24] <posthuman> maybe bad sources?
[06:24] <sceptre> I really appreciate the help
[06:24] <sceptre> Bless your souls..
[06:24] <Daiferas> correct intelikey
[06:24] <britto> #ubuntu-br
[06:25] <intelikey> use   sudo dpkg -i <package.deb>
[06:25] <Daiferas> i only have wireless access atm, which is what i'm trying to setup with ndiswrapper. however, i don't seem to have it as a package, nor the make package, nor the build-essential package
[06:25] <OOD> Konversation is so much better than X-Chat, don't know why i used x-chat for so long :P
[06:25] <sceptre> OKay
[06:25] <sceptre> I'm gonna check out while this installs..
[06:25] <posthuman> yeah, konversation is awesome
[06:25] <sceptre> THanks a bunch!
[06:26] <intelikey> and if there are deps it will tell you what you need.   you can get them from the repos and copy them over  and use the same command.
[06:26] <posthuman> :)
[06:26] <Daiferas> repos?
[06:26] <posthuman> repositories
[06:26] <posthuman> where the rpm's are stored at (where adept grabs them from)
[06:26] <posthuman> err
[06:26] <Daiferas> ah, right
[06:26] <posthuman> debs
[06:26] <posthuman> sorry, *use to suse*
[06:26] <posthuman> :P
[06:27] <intelikey> yes  goto http://ubuntu.com   and there is a link
[06:27] <Daiferas> hmm, the packages I were trying to install were on my cd
[06:27] <intelikey> rpm's  ???
[06:27] <intelikey> hehhe
[06:27] <posthuman> haha
[06:27] <Daiferas> okay, i'll try that, then, and this time i'll copy the errors exactly
[06:28] <intelikey> k       you can sudo apt-cdrom add
[06:28] <intelikey> then apt-get should fetch them.
[06:28] <Desh> Can anyone tell me why I get this when I use apt-get or open up files from Konsole? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18133
[06:29] <intelikey> desh you have wacom enabled in xorg.conf ?   and no wacom device ?
[06:29] <Desh> intelikey: what is wacom?
[06:29] <intelikey> X is trying to grab an input that doesn't exist.
[06:30] <Desh> intelikey, yeah that's what I'm seeing but I dunno how to fix it, and I have no clue why it randomly came up.
[06:30] <intelikey> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf   and comment out the sections with devices you don't have then restart X
[06:30] <Desh> I have wacom, but what is wacom?
[06:31] <intelikey> to restart X just hit [ctrl] +[alt] +[backspace] 
[06:31] <intelikey> google knows
[06:31] <Desh> intellikey: can I PM you the wacom sections in my xorg.conf?
[06:32] <intelikey> and files are readonly in /etc  unless you open them as 'root'   i.e.  the sudo command
[06:32] <intelikey> no
[06:32] <Desh> Ok. :-P Thanks tho, I know what it is, for tablets, but mine is not a tablet.
[06:33] <intelikey> i'm a bit of a jerk, and kinda hard to get along with; even harder to understand.   but i'll help when i can.   your welcome.
[06:33] <Desh> Hehe no prob.
[06:33] <Desh> InputDevice     "stylus" "SendCoreEvents" <-- COmment that out?
[06:34] <Desh> I aint got a stylus and this is under Server Layout
[06:34] <intelikey> yep
[06:34] <Desh> K, thanks!!
[06:34] <Desh> ANd the CLI apps were awesome, thanks for those. :-p
[06:34] <Desh> Peace.
[06:34] <intelikey> to comment something out put # in front of it.    # this is commented out.
[06:35] <OOD> he's gone :P
[06:36] <intelikey> OOD expect me to do a lot of that.   lag ranging from 15-30 seconds...
[06:36] <posthuman> I should comment that wacom thing too
[06:36] <posthuman> that error is annoying
[06:36] <intelikey> if you don't have one posthuman
[06:36] <intelikey>             commented out.
[06:36] <intelikey> -:- SignOff Desh: #kubuntu (Remote closed the connection)
 he's gone :P
[06:37] <intelikey> odd that's the way i saw it ^
[06:37] <OOD> lol
[06:37] <posthuman> !wacom
[06:37] <ubotu> I know nothing about wacom - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[06:37] <posthuman> !info wacom
[06:37] <ubotu> Package wacom does not exist in dapper
[06:37] <posthuman> what is wacom?
[06:37] <intelikey> i know that on your screen my post was after he left.
[06:37] <posthuman> lol
[06:38] <intelikey> wacom-tools - utilities for wacom tablets and other hid devices
[06:38] <intelikey> xserver-xorg-input-wacom - X.Org X server -- Wacom input driver
[06:38] <intelikey> wacom-kernel-source - source for the wacom binary modules
[06:38] <posthuman> ahhh
[06:38] <intelikey> apt-cache search wacom    does that ^
[06:39] <OOD> im tempted to get xgl running, even though i've failed several times so far -.-
[06:39] <Desh> intelikey, sorry to bug ya again, commenting out any tablet specific xorg.conf sections worked, but I stillg et this when in the terminal: DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::VBoxLayout', <> line 1 during global destruction." Any ideas? :)
[06:39] <posthuman> I got it working, wasn't too hard.  It took up too much of my memory, though.
[06:40] <OOD> you remember what how-to you followed, or how you did get it up?
[06:40] <larson9999> why are the wacom things in there anyway?
[06:41] <intelikey> to see installed packages use  dpkg -l    with an optional filter or two like this.   | grep wacom     or  | grep ii | grep wacom | cut -d' ' -f3
[06:41] <intelikey> Desh did you restart X ?
[06:41] <posthuman> I believe it was one on the ubuntuforums ... it was a howto with xgl/compiz cvs...which probably isn't the most stable thing to do
[06:41] <larson9999> this configure script is dorked or my system is but i give up
[06:41] <Desh> intelikey: Yes.
[06:41] <posthuman> not sure of the link atm
[06:42] <intelikey> Desh not sure what that is.   you need an xorg guy.  i'm a console guy.    sorry.
[06:42] <Desh> intelikey: does that have anything to do with libperl-qt, because I rememebr that being installed even tho I don;t know what it is.
[06:42] <Desh> Ah ok, thanks anyways man.
[06:43] <Ayiden> OKay this error is begining to seriously annoy...  MP-BIOS BUG: 8254-timer not connected IO-APIC  I even get it on the text install cd .. this did not happen 2 beta releases ago... it happened the disk prior to release and the release of dapper....  I have a coompaq presario v2000
[06:43] <intelikey> no it's not a lib error.
[06:43] <intelikey> it's a function   but that's about as far as i can say.
[06:44] <intelikey> np
[06:44] <Ayiden> right after it says its booting the kernel.. after that error i have only a black screen
[06:44] <nrdb> I have a perl script I am using sudo to execute.  It work when run as root but not if run by sudo!  any ideas why?
[06:44] <Desh> Does anyone know why I would get this error in the terminal, such as when running apt-get: DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::VBoxLayout', <> line 1 during global destruction.
[06:45] <posthuman> did you try googeling the error?
[06:45] <posthuman> often times i find fixes tha tway
[06:45] <scabootssca> how do i add my windows harddrive to grub? i've seen the wiki posting cause when i try to change the path to it hdb dosnt work does anyone know why?
[06:45] <posthuman> that*
[06:45] <intelikey> nrdb environment.  man sudo and use the -switch that sets the root env.
[06:46] <nrdb> intelikey: I will look
[06:47] <intelikey> Desh so the error says it's a "QT" error.   maybe a quick google could find it  ?
[06:48] <Desh> intelikey: trying, the exact error is not found, I get some pages on VBoxLayout tho, looking thru that
[06:49] <intelikey> nrdb methinks -i
[06:50] <intelikey> ALL ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD
[06:50] <Desh> apparently VBox has something to do with GTK, as the 2 files on my comp seem to show
[06:50] <intelikey>  /exec -o cat /etc/sudoers  ^
[06:52] <intelikey> idk i get lost in the wherl wind of whistels and bell and flashing light and pretty pictures   when it comes to the GUI   so i just play my music and watch my vidios in the console where it's nice and calmn
[06:53] <intelikey> do my web serfing and irc'ing edit my documents all in the cli   :)
[06:54] <Desh> intelikey: the videos in vlc, are they supposed to be played with characters?
[06:55] <intelikey> no you need the console package  gimey a sec
[06:55] <posthuman> inteli: sounds boring, no offense :P
[06:55] <intelikey> vlc-plugin-svgalib - SVGAlib video output plugin for VLC
[06:55] <intelikey> install that ^
[06:55] <posthuman> i'd hate staring at a command line for a long period
[06:55] <posthuman> lol ;)
[06:56] <intelikey> boring is a state of mind.....
[06:56] <posthuman> well yeah
[06:56] <posthuman> my mind constantly wonders there
[06:56] <posthuman> =(
[06:56] <posthuman> wanders*
[06:56] <Desh> Ah ok thanks man.
[06:57] <intelikey> one mans boring is another mans peaceful
[06:57] <posthuman> lol yes true :)
[06:57] <intelikey> Desh np
[06:57] <timthelion> hey anyone know how to sleap kubuntu?
[06:58] <nrdb> intelikey: the -i sudo option seems to confuse perl I am getting a lot of "command not found" errors.
[06:58] <sotired> hello all
[06:58] <intelikey> hibernate ?
[06:58] <sotired> how would i go about formatting my slave drive to ext3?
[06:59] <intelikey> hehhe  sleep <number of seconds>
[06:59] <Desh> It doesn;t stop, I fix one error and more come, what is this: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[06:59] <intelikey> nrdb hmmm you might want to check /root/.bashrc or .profile and see if the path is bad.
[06:59] <nrdb> sotired: mkfs is the command to format a drive
[07:00] <sotired> so mkfs /dev/hdb1 ?
[07:00] <intelikey> iirc ubuntu is bad about hosing root's path
[07:00] <timthelion> hibernate
[07:00] <timthelion> sleap would be better though
[07:00] <nrdb> sotired: use the "-t" arguement
[07:00] <sotired> or mkfs /dev/hdb1 ext3?
[07:01] <timthelion> it is a windows concept
[07:01] <intelikey> sotired sudo mke2fs -j /dev/hdb1     assuming it's the first partition on primary slave
[07:01] <timthelion> instant on (a vista concept)
[07:01] <timthelion> hibernate would be good enough though
[07:01] <scabootssca> ok thats the right drive but it dosnt start it just sits there on the screen that says whaty is loading
[07:02] <sotired> stupid quaetion: what is the command to unmount
[07:03] <intelikey> scabootssca did you post that in the wrong channel ?
[07:03] <scabootssca> unmount
[07:03] <sotired> not according to my machine
[07:03] <nrdb> intelikey: if the /root/.bashrc file etc. where wrong wouldn't that stop root using perl alltogether.
[07:03] <scabootssca> no
[07:03] <scabootssca> look up for my name
[07:03] <OOD> I just succesfully installed xgl, and zomg i'm in love !! :D
[07:03] <intelikey> umount
[07:03] <sotired> thnx
[07:03] <scabootssca> mabye it was in ubuntu not kubuntu
[07:03] <scabootssca> ok whatever how do i make my windows drive boot up from grub
[07:04] <unix_infidel> should automatically create the entry for you.
[07:04] <timthelion> so do you know how I could hibernate?
[07:04] <sotired> ok it looks like the format is working thanks
[07:04] <Desh> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process, what does this mean? :)
[07:04] <scabootssca> it dosnt if it's not in there when i install it
[07:05] <sotired> how did it format and 80 gig drive so fast?
[07:05] <intelikey> prolly not. nrdb   the main executable is in /usr/bin/   but you may have other things in /usr/local/bin  or some place that is not in root's path.... idk.   but did you say it does work if you login as root and then run it ?
[07:06] <intelikey> just wrote the superblocks sotired
[07:06] <intelikey> if you wanted to check the disk for serface damage you should have said so sotired
[07:07] <intelikey> ooop  bet he didn't see that one either.
[07:07] <scabootssca> ok whatever how do i make my windows drive boot up from grub
[07:11] <intelikey> root hda1 chainloader+1
[07:11] <intelikey> boot
[07:11] <intelikey> assumes hda1  or (hd0,1)   or what ever grub recognises
[07:12] <timthelion> can someone please tell me how to hibernate kubuntu?
[07:13] <scabootssca> what's save default paramentor do?
[07:13] <scabootssca> and also what's makeactive do
[07:14] <intelikey> scabootssca in grub ^  make active sould make that parition the boot partition    and save sould save the input to the menu.lst   maybe on the save.
[07:15] <Desh> Ok, I have an issue with Qt, I keep getting this error when I try using apt-get, removing libqt-perl makes it go away but then I get a bunch of other errors since it is apparently a necessary package. Error: DESTROY created new reference to dead object ' Qt::VBoxLayout', <> line 1 during global destruction.. Anyone got any ideas?
[07:15] <scabootssca> so title           Windows Xp
[07:15] <scabootssca> root            (hd1,0)
[07:15] <scabootssca> savedefault
[07:15] <scabootssca> makeactive
[07:15] <scabootssca> chainloader     +1 should work?
[07:15] <intelikey> maybe it just saves it for that grub session... i dont recall.   i can't use grub to boot this thing.  it don't know how.
[07:16] <Daiferas> it worked! thanks to everyone who helped!
[07:16] <intelikey> looks good to me.  but like i just said, i use lilo cause grub cant find my system.
[07:16] <scabootssca> lilo? is it easier
[07:17] <intelikey> Daiferas another crappy hamper  :)
[07:17] <Desh> scabootssca: I read that with Lilo you need to reinstall it after each new kernel.
[07:17] <Daiferas> crappy hamper?
[07:17] <Daiferas> ahh
[07:17] <Daiferas> hah, nevermind
[07:17] <Daiferas> i'm a crappy hamper indeed ;)
[07:17] <intelikey> scabootssca prolly not.  just that i know how to use it and grub can't boot a hard disk.  only partitions.
[07:18] <scabootssca> ahh
[07:18] <intelikey> happy camper ?
[07:18] <intelikey> :)
[07:19] <Daiferas> okay, well, time for me to go to bed. thanks again! I appreciate it!
[07:21] <intelikey> who's the on duty help around here ???    why am i the only one answering any questions...?
[07:21] <robotgeek> intelikey: you know all the answers?
[07:21] <hari> hmmm
[07:22] <intelikey> robotgeek hasn't been paying attention obviously....
[07:22] <robotgeek> i use yaboot, so i would not know much about grub/lilo
[07:22] <intelikey> i done passed on three things and no one picked up the slack...
[07:23] <intelikey> k i was just wondering if there was anyone around.
[07:23] <robotgeek> we can only answer questions we know answers to :)
[07:24] <intelikey> :)
[07:24] <hari> :-)
[07:24] <intelikey> na just do like i do.  answer anyway.
[07:24] <intelikey> :)
[07:26] <intelikey> oh my.  it's timothy leri <!sp>
[07:27] <intelikey> can't remember the last name.  only met him a few times.   crazy kid.
[07:29] <timothy> now that my computer has crashed 3 times,  can someonetell me how to hibernate?
[07:30] <intelikey> robotgeek ^
[07:30] <hari> hmmm
[07:31] <robotgeek> intelikey: it works on my computer ootb (i am on a mac)
[07:31] <timthelion> hello?
[07:31] <abattoir> timthelion: using dapper?
[07:31] <timthelion> now that my computer has crashed 3 times,  can someonetell me how to hibernate?
[07:31] <timthelion> I am on dapper yes
[07:32] <hari> no i also rarely say "ha ha ha" :-)
[07:32] <abattoir> timthelion: you call softwaresuspend or do you use the menu/button?
[07:32] <intelikey> :)
[07:33] <robotgeek> intelikey: i think all i do here is get on irc nowadays since all the stuff i know about works out of the box
[07:33] <hari> i am new to IRC
[07:33] <timthelion> abattoir: from the command line?
[07:33] <hari> so was watching others chat
[07:33] <abattoir> timthelion: how do you hibernate? what do you do?
[07:34] <timthelion> abattoir: Do I need to close network apps first?
[07:34] <abattoir> timthelion: also, laptop/destop? if laptop what make/model?
[07:34] <timthelion> abattoir: Desktop
[07:34] <timthelion> abattoir: there is a button for it in windows
[07:34] <intelikey> robotgeek so use something you don't like,  it will make you mad and you will fix it or break it.   like i do ubuntu  :)
[07:35] <abattoir> timthelion: so when does it crash, when shutting down, or when restoring your old session?
[07:35] <timthelion> it does not crash
[07:35] <robotgeek> intelikey: i use kubuntu and it works great for me?
[07:35] <timthelion> I was on the forum befor and left abrutly
[07:35] <intelikey> hari ok,  i didn't mean to "drag" you into anything.  just being sociable ;/
[07:35] <timthelion> because my compy crashed
[07:35] <hari> ok :-)
[07:35] <abattoir> timthelion: i thought you said, it crashed....
[07:35] <timthelion> no
[07:36] <timthelion> I was wanting to know how to do it at all.
[07:36] <timthelion> sorry for the confusion.
[07:36] <intelikey> robotgeek so install blackbox and use it a while.   you don't need to mess-up the system just add something to it.
[07:37] <intelikey> robotgeek keep you from being bored, and also make you better help to others.
[07:37] <robotgeek> intelikey: but why? i know i like kde. i've used all that before :)
[07:41] <timthelion> how do I hibernate?
[07:41] <intelikey> break; food!
[07:42] <hari> if i install some windows applications under kubuntu using wine then how can i remove it? is it ok to just delete the folder in which the application was installed?
[07:45] <abattoir> timthelion: sorry someone was at the door...
[07:45] <abattoir> timthelion: have you tried 'sudo hibernate' ?
[07:45] <abattoir> on the CLI?
[07:45] <abattoir> hari: the same way you uninstall in windows. ;) run the uninstaller app for the appliation
[07:46] <hari> ok thank you
[07:46] <abattoir> hari: most apps, store files in different folders and the registry, to do it cleanly, it'd be better to uninstall...
[07:47] <hari> ok but thats true under windows but what about linux where does it store the settings for a windows application?
[07:48] <hari> where is the linux registry located?
[07:48] <drew3> Can Synaptic be used to remove the printing system, and then reinstall it?  It seems I have 2-3 printers stuck, that do NOT show up in the GUI/KDE.
[07:48] <abattoir> hari: wine works like windows, by default, a hidden folder is created called .wine in your home folder....
[07:48] <intelikey> :)
[07:49] <abattoir> hari: this has a fake drive_C, which emulates C: in  windows...
[07:49] <abattoir> or whatever you name it...
[07:49] <hari> ok
[07:49] <abattoir> hari: so this'd follow the dir structure that windows does...
[07:49] <abattoir> hari: for eg. you can fiind drive_C/Program_Files etc...
[07:49] <hari> hmmm thats a new info for me :)
[07:50] <hari> ok so you mean this hidden folder also contains a registry
[07:50] <abattoir> hari: and afaik linux does not have a registry :)
[07:50] <hari> hmmm
[07:50] <abattoir> hari: yes, it emulates windows, so it also has a system and system32 folder
[07:51] <hari> ok
[07:51] <abattoir> hari: it also has notepad ;)
[07:51] <hari> hmmm i think i must checkout this folder its under / right?
[07:52] <abattoir> hari: if you setup wine using the default settings, it'd be under ~/.wine
[07:52] <hari> ok let me try
[07:52] <abattoir> that is /home/user/.wine/
[07:52] <intelikey> drew3 stuck printer ?   and yes you can remove&install through synaptic/adept/apt/aptitude/dpkg  take your pick.
[07:52] <hari> ok
[07:53] <hari> yes i found it :-)
[07:53] <intelikey> all of those are frontends for dpkg = debian package manager
[07:53] <timthelion> timothy@timothy:~$ sudo hibernate
[07:53] <timthelion> Your kernel does not appear to have Software Suspend 2 support compiled in.
[07:53] <timthelion> Please follow the HOWTO linked from http://www.suspend2.net/ for instructions
[07:53] <timthelion> on how to compile Software Suspend into your kernel.
[07:53] <timthelion> hibernate: Aborting.
[07:54] <crimsun> timthelion: why not ``sudo pmi action hibernate''?
[07:54] <abattoir> timthelion: maybe http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75443&highlight=suspend2 would help?
[07:54] <intelikey> so read  http://www.suspend2.net/
[07:55] <abattoir> its for breezy.. but most of it apply to dapper as well... just change the kernel version stuff ;)
[07:55] <hari> thank you abattoir for giving me info about wine :)
[07:55] <abattoir> hari: no problem :)
[07:55] <abattoir> hari: google would give you more info :)
[07:56] <hari> ok
[07:57] <timthelion> thankyou.
[07:58] <drew3> intelikey  I'v had a terrible time trying to print, I can see 3 printers that simply do not show up in the gui, I think cups is broken, so want to remove and reinstall, hoping to erase all traces of old printers, and hopefully get new printer working.
[07:59] <intelikey> drew3 yes. on first clean install of dapper cups was broken here also.   remove it and reinstall it.  it fixed mine.
[08:00] <Cntryboy> Ya'll I forgot, how do I get to resolution for desktop through K-menu
[08:00] <intelikey> drew3 sudo apt-get --purge remove cupsys && sudo apt-get install cupsys
[08:00] <Cntryboy> for the life of me I am over looking it
[08:02] <abattoir> Cntryboy: krandrtray...click on the tray icon and choose resolution.
[08:02] <drew3> This is brezy,, I worked very hard to make KDE visible for a visually impared, and am afraid of loosing the desktop if I upgrade to dapper. intelikey  TY
[08:02] <Cntryboy> krandrtray?
[08:02] <Cntryboy> what tray icon
[08:02] <abattoir> Cntryboy: run the command 'krandrtray'
[08:03] <abattoir> it'd load an icon in the system tryay(in the taskbar)
[08:03] <Cntryboy> but can't you get there from k-menu?
[08:03] <abattoir> Cntryboy: i guess it'll be under Utilities... i'll check
[08:03] <Cntryboy> kk
[08:03] <Agent_bob> hmmm the only thing that  'pmi action hibernate'  hibernated was my internet connection....   ;/
[08:04] <Agent_bob> well it did blank the screen for a second...
[08:06] <Cntryboy> abattoir: find it? lol I swear I found it there one time and now it's gone or atleast im over looking it
[08:07] <abattoir> Cntryboy: i cant find it there, even though i'd expect to find it there(i dont use the menu at all)
[08:08] <Agent_bob> i never found the launcher for konq file manger profile   i looked all over for a "home" icon  but nothing.
[08:08] <abattoir> Agent_bob: Kmenu->System Menu->Home Folder
[08:09] <Agent_bob> abattoir i looked in system
[08:09] <Agent_bob> doesn't matter. i haven't started a gui today anyway.
[08:10] <abattoir> Agent_bob: it's there for me(by default), you could add it if you want through kmenuedit
[08:10] <Agent_bob> not like i would be using it a lot.
[08:10] <abattoir> Agent_bob: intelikey by any chance ? ;)
[08:10] <abattoir> on another system?
[08:10] <Agent_bob> yeah i knew it should be there.  yes.
[08:11] <Agent_bob> no i issued  'pmi action hibernate' and it hibernated my dialup connection.  so i had to redial.
[08:11] <abattoir> Agent_bob: oh, so intelikey is just a ghost now? :P
[08:11] <Agent_bob> intelikey will ping out in a few.
[08:12] <Agent_bob> yup
[08:14] <Agent_bob> when that spook leaves i'll leave with him and then he'll be right back as me.... or something like that.
[08:22] <hari> Its time for me to go, bye everyone and thanks for helping :)
[08:22] <pperez> Hello everyone
[08:22] <pperez> I am trying to understand how to create all of those /boot/abi-* files that live inside the /boot directory
[08:23] <pperez> Can someone point me in the right direction. I have searched the debian website, but to no avail.
[08:23] <pperez> Thanks in advance.
[08:23] <unix_infidel> this is #kubuntu
[08:23] <unix_infidel> not #debian.
[08:23] <lowtech> kubuntu is a debian
[08:23] <pperez> yeah, I know, I forgot to mention that I visited the kubuntu/ubuntu website as well but nothing there as well.
[08:24] <pperez> I am running kubuntu and since kubuntu/ubuntu are relatives of debian, I felt searching there was the most appropiate thing to do
[08:24] <DHGE> pperez: I never fiddled with those - I installed kernel images from the repository. I would search the kernel-doc (in the repo)
[08:25] <pperez> I have "grep -r '/boot/abi' /usr/scr/linux/Documentation/*" to no avail as well
[08:25] <pperez> Someone knows, since there is one abi-* file per linux-kernel image in /boot
[08:26] <justheatingup> hello
[08:26] <lowtech> my kubuntu box isn't booted, guess i never noticed the abi files
[08:27] <Rede> i have installed an updated kernel via adept, but when i try to boot it fails and shows me the black kubuntu screen. i believe this is due to the restricted drivers, as adept shows them for my previous kernel (-25) but not the updated one (-26)... but im not sure how to fix it
[08:27] <Rede> it never does display the nvidia screen it usually does when im booting
[08:27] <justheatingup> can someone give me some direction on how to get my Verizon Wireless PCMCIA card working?
[08:29] <unix_infidel> pperez: i've never noticed an abi-* file there either.
[08:29] <pperez> ls -l /boot
[08:29] <pperez> you do not have it?
[08:29] <abattoir> Rede: then i'd suggest that you use the old kernel...
[08:29] <unix_infidel> hmmm.
[08:29] <Rede> abattoir: thats what im doing :D
[08:29] <abattoir> till either restricted drivers are provided for the current one, or till a new one comes out :)
[08:30] <unix_infidel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_Binary_Interface
[08:30] <Rede> ahh ok
[08:30] <Rede> so its just a matter of waiting then
[08:30] <pperez> unix_infidel: in my machine there are four (4) files per every kernel (System.map-*, abi-*, initrd.img-*, and vmlinuz-*)
[08:30] <abattoir> Rede: sorry, i have no clue, i though you were stuck, unable to boot... :)
[08:30] <lowtech> when was the kernel released?
[08:30] <pperez> unix_infidel: I know what ABI means,
[08:31] <unix_infidel> pperez: i dont doubt that you dont...i was throwing it in there just for kicks.
[08:31] <pperez> I am not trying to have the definition of the ABI acronym, I want to know how to create the /boot/abi-* files
[08:32] <pperez> thanks unix_infidel, did you check your /boot to see if you do have these type of files?
[08:32] <unix_infidel> pperez: sure i do...otherwise it wouldnt work correctly.
[08:32] <unix_infidel> i'm not sure how you intend to create the files though.
[08:32] <unix_infidel> i always thought those were created when you compile the kernel.
[08:32] <unix_infidel> or extracted into /boot when you installed the kernel binary.
[08:33] <pperez> you do not need /boot/abi-* files to have a linux machine boot unix_infidel
[08:33] <pperez> There are there for other reasons
[08:33] <unix_infidel> right, eg when specific libraries are needed by another OS.
[08:33] <pperez> They are indeed copied there upon the installation ans extraction of the .deb package.
[08:33] <pperez> But once again, unix_infidel you are missing the point.
[08:34] <unix_infidel> pperez: i'm sorry if i am, all i heard was that you wanted to create them.
[08:34] <pperez> I want to know/understand, how/who (script/program or otherwise) creates these files.
[08:34] <pperez> I DO want to create them,
[08:34] <pperez> I want to know, what program/binary/script does create them
[08:34] <justheatingup> anyone  here have wireless broadband working?
[08:35] <unix_infidel> gotcha.
[08:35] <pperez> There has to be a problem, make target, binary, script, m4 macro that generates this file
[08:35] <pperez> I meant program
[08:35] <unix_infidel> pperez: maybe a more kernel related channel could be helpful.
[08:35] <lowtech> justheatingup: i'd say if there are no native linux drivers for it then you may have to look into using ndiswrapper
[08:36] <unix_infidel> or the kernel mailing list.
[08:36] <intelikey> will is dead.
[08:36] <hari> hello again one problem
[08:36] <intelikey> long live will.
[08:36] <justheatingup> lowtech it seems its supported
[08:36] <unix_infidel> will?
[08:36] <section31_> justheatingup: I do. Try installing KNetworkManager via Adept
[08:36] <lowtech> justheatingup: ah, then whats the issue with it?
[08:37] <hari> i was just trying out various configurations under  amarok's engine
[08:37] <intelikey> hari i know your problem  you can't sleep...
[08:37] <RandomDude15> anyone know a logo or subtitelr fliter for avidemux?
[08:37] <hari> nop its morning here 12:07pm
[08:37] <RandomDude15> arizona?
[08:37] <hari> i meant daytime
[08:37] <lowtech> 12:07pm would be afternoon :)
[08:37] <RandomDude15> nvm thoght you said am
[08:38] <justheatingup> section31: ok i was trying to do it via kppp, do I need to look out for anything?
[08:38] <hari> ok I am from India
[08:38] <RandomDude15> im encoding video in kubuntu and need a subtitle or logo fliter
[08:38] <abattoir> @time Calcutta
[08:38] <justheatingup> lowtech: I can't get it to work ;)
[08:38] <Ubugtu> Current time in Asia/Calcutta: July 16 2006, 12:08:33
[08:38] <unix_infidel> hari: what part/
[08:38] <RandomDude15> like the ones virtualdub has
[08:38] <intelikey> hari  i know your problem, you never get out of the house...
[08:39] <hari> yes thats correct :)
[08:39] <abattoir> heh, its sunday ;)
[08:39] <section31_> justheatingup: Nope, just open up Adept, search for "KNetworkManager" and then install it.
[08:39] <unix_infidel> intelikey: in india, if you leave the airconditioning after 11am, you're bound to get heat exhaustion :P
[08:39] <justheatingup> section31: all done
[08:39] <hari> i was just trying out various configurations under  amarok's engine under sound system
[08:39] <intelikey> :)
[08:39] <justheatingup> how do I get it to dial Verizon?
[08:39] <hari> :)
[08:39] <section31_> ?
[08:39] <abattoir> hari: and...?
[08:40] <section31_> Oh a verizon wireless card
[08:40] <hari> yes its sunday
[08:40] <section31_> I thought you were talking about a wifi card
[08:40] <justheatingup> section31: yeppers
[08:40] <section31_> Sorry I don't know how to get a verizon wireless card working
[08:40] <hari> i set the sound engine to xine engine
[08:40] <intelikey> unix_infidel then how did they survive all those centuries before AC ?
[08:40] <section31_> Try Googling for "Verizon Wireless Card Linux"
[08:40] <hari> then i began tring out the output device options
[08:40] <lowtech> justheatingup: no router, just direct wireless?
[08:41] <unix_infidel> intelikey: water :)
[08:41] <RandomDude15> anyone?
[08:41] <hari> when i tried one of them amarok(i dont remember which, i think its the last option in the list) crashed
[08:41] <justheatingup> lowtech: I have an IBM t42 with a verizon wireless
[08:41] <justheatingup> PCMCIA car
[08:41] <justheatingup> d
[08:42] <unix_infidel> justheatingup: you have  verizon GPRS?
[08:42] <hari> now it defaults to aRts engine
[08:42] <unix_infidel> justheatingup: odds are that the card isnt supported by linux.
[08:42] <intelikey> RandomDude15 did you ask in #ubuntu ?
[08:42] <hari> yes it works
[08:42] <justheatingup> unix_infidel: i'm told that it is
[08:43] <hari> but i cant now set the engine again to xine amarok wont let me
[08:43] <intelikey> that question is not desktop specific.  you might strike pay dirt in there.
[08:43] <abattoir> hari: what is the error msg?
[08:43] <unix_infidel> justheatingup: show me a URL that's shows how it is and hopefully its well documented.
[08:43] <justheatingup> unix_infidel:  I have EVDO
[08:43] <lowtech> guess i didn't know verizon had a wireless network
[08:43] <unix_infidel> justheatingup: that's fine.
[08:43] <hari> it says "xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers"
[08:43] <unix_infidel> the hardware is what you care about.
[08:43] <justheatingup> http://www.cs.drexel.edu/~kfu22/evdo/
[08:44] <hari> then it defaults to aRts
[08:44] <abattoir> hari: and when you select it in the Engine Settings page?
[08:44] <intelikey> hari possable something else you adjusted prevents xine from being an option now.  try to retrace your steps and see what else changed.
[08:45] <crazy_penguin> a good morning to all!
[08:45] <unix_infidel> justheatingup: so what's the problem?
[08:45] <intelikey> is all here ?
[08:45] <abattoir> !all
[08:45] <ubotu> I know nothing about all - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[08:45] <justheatingup> unix_infidel: it doesn't connect
[08:45] <intelikey> oh all  oh   good morning
[08:45] <hari> as far i know i was trying out various output devices with xine as the engine and it crashed
[08:46] <lowtech> justheatingup: any error?
[08:46] <unix_infidel> justheatingup: when you issue pppd call sprint?
[08:46] <justheatingup> yes
[08:46] <abattoir> hari: ok, but what happens when you try to select xine engine again?
[08:46] <justheatingup> something about 8 bits
[08:46] <hari> now it wont let me select the xine engine
[08:46] <abattoir> hari: yes, what error does it spit out?
[08:46] <hari> if i could have selected that then i could have changed the output device to default
[08:46] <justheatingup> let me try a few more things
[08:46] <hari> "xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers"
[08:46] <justheatingup> get better debug
[08:47] <justheatingup> brb
[08:47] <intelikey> crazy_penguin we be a fun love'n bunch.   take no offence if we make sport of ya when you come in.
[08:47] <abattoir> hari: even when you try to switch to xine from arts?
[08:47] <RandomDude15> no i didnt
[08:47] <hari> yes
[08:48] <hari> i am doing this from settings->configure amarok...->engine
[08:49] <abattoir> hari: ok, so you cant even choose xine engine right? ok, let me checkup
[08:49] <hari> yes right
[08:49] <hari> i think i will have to manually edit xines config file
[08:50] <hari> hmmm
[08:50] <Desh> Ok, I have three links in my root folder (/): cdrom, initrd.img and vwlinuz, are these safe to delete?
[08:51] <abattoir> pygi: welcome :)
[08:51] <intelikey> only problem i had with it, was it got in the way.  so i nuked it.    i do things that way.    if the kernel gets in the way   apt-get --purge remove linux-*     :)
[08:52] <NineTeen67Comet> Hello all .. I'm adding Kubuntu to my extra drive as a third OS (Second version of Linux) .. and although I see vmlinuz in the / directory, how does Kubuntu need listed in grub.conf? (I'm using the grub.conf from my other Linux install) ..
[08:52] <hari> :-)
[08:52] <pygi> abattoir: hey
[08:52] <posthuman> lol intel
[08:52] <hari> where can i find xines config file so that i could manually edit them?
[08:53] <abattoir> NineTeen67Comet: grub.conf....???
[08:53] <Desh> What is initrd.img?
[08:53] <abattoir> NineTeen67Comet: do you mean lilo.conf?
[08:53] <intelikey> abattoir no
[08:53] <intelikey> pay attention.   it's another linux distro.
[08:53] <NineTeen67Comet> abattoir: I don't use lilo currently (Haven't for years) .. but my main stay distro uses it, I just want to add this new Kubuntu install to it ..
[08:54] <abattoir> intelikey: afaik grub has no grub.con, only menu.lst, lilo has a lilo.conf
[08:54] <abattoir> *grub.conf
[08:54] <NineTeen67Comet> grub.conf is located in /boot/grub/ ..
[08:54] <lowtech> abattoir: some distro's use grub.conf
[08:55] <abattoir> lowtech: oh, i didnt know that.
[08:55] <intelikey> NineTeen67Comet the kubuntu install  by default will make a /boot/grub/menu.lst   check it out   if all three systems are there you should be good to go.
[08:55] <intelikey> abattoir ever use gentoo distro
[08:55] <NineTeen67Comet> intelikey: aha . that's what I was looking for ..
[08:55] <intelikey> ?
[08:55] <abattoir> intelikey: no, never. :)
[08:56] <intelikey> NineTeen67Comet yeah i guessed by the 'grub.conf' file.
[08:56] <NineTeen67Comet> intelikey: there we go .. thank you much .. I see how it needs it's syntax now ..
[08:57] <abattoir> hari: try removing ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc... you'd lose all your amarok settings though.
[08:57] <Desh> Question, the vmlinuz and initrd.img files on the root of the filesystem, are those important?
[08:57] <intelikey> NineTeen67Comet welcome
[08:58] <hari> ok let me try
[08:58] <NineTeen67Comet> Off to reboot and see if I can't help some friends figure out their boxes (talked them into trying Kubuntu) ..
[08:58] <abattoir> Desh: i think those are symlinks to the actual vmlinuz and initrd.img
[08:58] <Desh> abattoir: Would it be bad if I deleted them?
[08:59] <Desh> abattoir: are they present on your root filesystem?
[08:59] <abattoir> Desh: if grub looks for it there, then yes, it'd be bad.
[08:59] <abattoir> Desh: yes. they are
[08:59] <intelikey> they are symlinks to the real /boot/vmlinux-`uname -r`   and /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r`    and no.  if your menu.lst has the full path you can rm the symlinks safely.
[08:59] <lowtech> may be referenced in grub
[08:59] <Desh> Is there one called cdrom?
[08:59] <abattoir> Desh: they point to the latest initrd.img / vmlinuz
[08:59] <Desh> abattoir: is the one called cdrom?
[09:00] <abattoir> Desh: you mean a symlink? yes, it links to /media/cdrom
[09:00] <intelikey> Desh use ls -l /  to see what is going on there.
[09:01] <Desh> abattoir: ah that one was odd to me, cdrom, since I don;t have a media/cdrom, I have a media/cdrom0.
[09:01] <intelikey> which links to /media/cdrom0
[09:01] <intelikey> or something... i always rm /media to begin with...
[09:01] <ajay> hey hari
[09:02] <Desh> Hmm, odd, let me see what a reboot does with cdrom gone...
[09:02] <intelikey> ls=list -l=long listing format
[09:03] <hari> hello ajay
[09:03] <intelikey> ls -l --color=auto <any.dir-or.file>
[09:04] <intelikey> only slightly better than   file <any.dir-or.file>
[09:05] <hari> abattoir i fixed it without removing ~/.kde/share/config/amarokrc, i editted that file and changed the xine output plugin to autodetect instead of esd which was causing all the trouble
[09:06] <intelikey> i should go now.   but you guys are just so much fun....
[09:07] <Desh> Well, the cdrom link seems to be unnecessary...
[09:07] <Desh> My Cd rom was found and was auto mounted when I clicked on it...
[09:07] <intelikey> of course it is.  i could have told you that.
[09:08] <Desh> Then of what use is that link to media/cdrom when my drive is media/cdrom0?
[09:08] <Desh> Like I'm just trying to get a feel for how everything workds.
[09:08] <Desh> *works
[09:08] <intelikey> Desh but the /media  dir is another issue.  if you want hal to do it's job  leave that there.
[09:09] <Desh> Who's Hal?
[09:10] <intelikey> Desh symbolic links take up very little space and make something work much easier   the /cdrom link is just for your convienance.
[09:10] <intelikey> !hal
[09:10] <ubotu> I know nothing about hal - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[09:10] <intelikey> hal - Hardware Abstraction Layer
[09:10] <intelikey> hal-device-manager - Hardware Abstraction Layer user interface
[09:11] <intelikey> hal-doc - Hardware Abstraction Layer
[09:11] <Desh> Cool. I guess I'll put it back...when Konsole decides to not be dumb and recognize the link...
[09:12] <intelikey> Desh ln -s /media/cdrom0 /cdrom
[09:12] <intelikey> may need root access   not sure what the default perms are on /
[09:14] <intelikey> iirc most of the time there are two links to the first cdrom's mountpoint.  /cdrom  /media/cdrom   both point to /media/cdrom0   or possably they chain to it....   doesn't matter how they get there.
[09:15] <Desh> K, thanks. The link I deleted was to media/cdrom not media/cdrom0 tho, should I alter that?
[09:15] <intelikey> no
[09:15] <Desh> Ok.
[09:15] <Desh> :)
[09:15] <Desh> cdrom0 it is
[09:15] <hari> amaroK now works perfectly :-)
[09:15] <intelikey> Desh cat /etc/fstab | grep cdrom
[09:16] <intelikey> and see where the system thinks the cdrom should mount.
[09:16] <Desh> cdrom0 :)
[09:16] <intelikey> yeah.
[09:17] <Desh> Sweet, thanks.
[09:18] <intelikey> hmmm i get a blank from that....   i guess i never setup the cdrom on this system.  doesn't matter root access is blocked anyway.  so i can't mount any thing.
[09:18] <Desh> intelikey, I got the plugin to show acual video in cli vlc, but can I ever opt to play the videos with the chars w/o uninstalling the plugin?
[09:19] <intelikey> yes   man vlc
[09:19] <Desh> Ok, hehe I'll look it up, thanks.
[09:20] <Desh> One last thing before I go to bed for anyone who could answer, Linux has always said something like [xxxxxxxxxx]  PCI: failed to allocate mem resource at 000000000000@0 blah blah, twice at boot time. What would this be?
[09:21] <intelikey> Desh actually  better help from.  vlc --longhelp | less
[09:28] <intelikey> ah man 6M to dl.   that's another 35 minutes.
[09:29] <intelikey> i may put the box on a timer and leave it to kill it's self...
[09:29] <intelikey> hehhe well no. i won't do that.
[09:30] <hari> :)
[09:30] <hari> whats the time there intelikey?
[09:31] <intelikey> yesterday.
[09:31] <hari> hmmm
[09:31] <intelikey> hmmm no actually it's tomarrow already.
[09:31] <intelikey> round midnight
[09:31] <hari> ok
[09:32] <hari> ok
[09:33] <intelikey> but i get to go back home tuesday.  i'll like the extra two hours.
[09:35] <hari> ok
[09:37] <hari> i am leaving now bye everyone and thank you for the help :)
[09:38] <intelikey> hari have a real nice day.
[09:38] <hari> and have good night :)
[09:38] <intelikey> :)
[09:38] <hari> bye
[09:40] <intelikey> nice chaps those indians   the ones ive communed with anyway.
[09:44] <eXCeSS> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=215161
[09:51] <Tonren> Hey guys, I installed Dekorator but don't know how to run it.  How do I run it?
[09:53] <bobbin> help: Without exception, when my Kubuntu system is started up, "setting sensors limits [Failed] " occurs. Can somebody shed some light on how to correct this?
[09:55] <Tonren> anyone?
[09:55] <uniq> bobbin: try this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=34130
[09:56] <uniq> tonren: try alt+f2 , type 'dekorator'  and press enter.
[09:56] <Tonren> Tried that already, uniq.  Couldn't run the specified command.
[09:56] <Tonren> Also "Apropos dekorator" does nothing
[09:56] <uniq> tonren: ok, where did you install dekorator from?
[09:57] <Tonren> uniq: I'm in Kubuntu.  sudo apt-get install dekorator
[09:57] <uniq> tonren: ok. hang on. I'll check for you.
[09:58] <Tonren> uniq: Thanks.
[09:58] <intelikey> Tonren open a konsole and type   De[tab]     where [tab]  is the tab key    if it's not in that list try lower case.   the autocompletion should help you find the executable.
[09:59] <Tonren> intelikey: It is in neither of those
[09:59] <uniq> it's not a standalone application with a binary.
[10:00] <Tonren> uniq: Is it a daemon?  What is it?  How does it Manage my Themes if it has no GUI?
[10:00] <intelikey> i see.
[10:00] <Tonren> All I want to do is install a theme from kde-look.org
[10:01] <Tonren> But is a theme the same thing as a color scheme?  How should I know?
[10:01] <intelikey> Tonren one could do   dpkg -L dekorator | grep '/bin/'
[10:01] <intelikey> if it has an executable that should show it.
[10:02] <Tonren> intelikey: It just shows /usr/bin and /usr/sbin
[10:02] <uniq> tonren: it's a theme. kwin theme.
[10:02] <Tonren> uniq: Okay.  Well, in System Settings, there's no "Theme" thing.  Only one for Color Schemes.
[10:02] <intelikey> neither of those should show.
[10:02] <Tonren> uniq: How do I GET to my "theme manager"?  :\
[10:03] <uniq> tonren: system settings -> appearance -> window decorations.. or something like that.
[10:03] <Tonren> uniq: That's just for window .. er.. window decorations.  Not themes.
[10:03] <uniq> tonren: from the kosnole: 'kcmshell kwindecoration' if you want.
[10:04] <uniq> you'll find dekorator in the list of window decorations.
[10:04] <Tonren> uniq: I downloaded a .kth file.  It is neither a color scheme nor a style, but some kind of "theme".
[10:04] <Tonren> uniq: OOOOH!  I seeee!!
[10:04] <uniq> tonren: you can use it from dekorator..
[10:05] <Tonren> uniq: dekorator has its own little control panel thingie WITHIN the Window Decoration window
[10:05] <uniq> yes. :)
[10:05] <Tonren> My GOD, that's confusing.
[10:05] <uniq> hehe.. well.. :)
[10:05] <Tonren> DeKorator ISN'T just window decoration!  It ought to be its own app.
[10:06] <uniq> you still have to select to use it as window decroation.. so :)
[10:06] <intelikey> dekorator - KDE theme manager
[10:06] <intelikey> that ^
[10:06] <Tonren> Well... now the theme that I downloaded is not working.  It says it's not a valid theme.
[10:06] <Tonren> Lame.
[10:07] <uniq> poor description on that package.. though.
[10:12] <Tonren> this is lame
[10:16] <Tonren> Can anyone suggest why this might not be installing properly?: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=33944
[10:17] <intelikey> hmmmm i can sujest that i should just remove xorg...  why have something installed you don't use.
[10:17] <uniq> intelikey: you don't use anything graphical?
[10:18] <intelikey> sure.  but not in x
[10:18] <uniq> where then?
[10:18] <intelikey> tty
[10:18] <uniq> framebuffer?
[10:18] <intelikey> yeah
[10:19] <intelikey> and svgalibs
[10:19] <uniq> then removing xorg wouldn't make much trouble i guess.
[10:19] <intelikey> daz rite
[10:20] <intelikey> ChristmasCpp: cannot stat `/etc/evms.conf': No such file or directory
[10:20] <intelikey> autocompletion....
[10:21] <uniq> heh..
[10:21] <intelikey> cp ; cannot stat `/etc/evms.conf': No such file or directory
[10:21] <uniq> what are you tryting to do?
[10:21] <intelikey> nothing update ran and is whining cause the system is not default.
[10:21] <intelikey> it's no biggy.
[10:22] <intelikey> lol  hows this for an error message....  [Yn]  n
[10:22] <intelikey> Or maybe you don't want a symbolic link here. Hmm? Lets See.
[10:23] <intelikey>  /vmlinuz does not exist. Installing from scratch, eh?
[10:23] <intelikey> reverse those last two. ^
[10:24] <diezare> Is it possible to install the smp via apt-get??
[10:25] <intelikey> smp is in the kernels 2.6.15+
[10:25] <intelikey> !smp
[10:25] <ubotu> I know nothing about smp - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:25] <intelikey> ubotu is dope these days.
[10:25] <diezare> I'm using kernel 2.6.15 are you sure it is installed automatically with it?
[10:26] <diezare> cause i got 1.8 duo core processor and it's very slow
[10:26] <diezare> sometimes the cpu on the load reaches 100% while i'm just opening the firefox
[10:27] <intelikey> diezare check the forums for more on it.   but that is what i hear.  yes it's there.  you may need to activate it.  idk.
[10:27] <diezare> k, thnx.
[10:28] <intelikey> yw
[10:29] <_rince_> mrgn
[10:30] <uniq> diezare: you can check if both processors are detected, with the command 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' in konsole.
[10:31] <intelikey> hmm i have two kernels  i wonder if the newer one will boot.....    prolly not.
[10:31] <diezare> i did and it only shows 1 processor, so i think that the smp isn't installed.
[10:31] <Tonren> How do I open "control center"?
[10:32] <intelikey> Tonren  menu > system settings
[10:32] <diezare> do I have to recompile the kernel to install the smp?
[10:33] <Tonren> kde-look.org is telling me to open Control Center and use "Look and Feel" to select a new Theme or Style, but I can't find Look and Feel, nor can I find a Theme Manager anywhere.
[10:33] <intelikey> diezare did you look on the forums ?
[10:33] <diezare> i searched google and check the related posts but i found no post explaning how to install the smp
[10:33] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.com
[10:34] <intelikey> goto forums and search smp
[10:34] <diezare> i will.
[10:34] <uniq> tonren: alt+f2 'kcontrol'
[10:34] <intelikey> if smp is not already installed, ....    well it is!  so
[10:35] <diezare> if it is not already installed, will i have to recompile the kernel to install it?
[10:35] <Tonren> uniq: Ahhhhhhhhhh... thank you!!
[10:36] <intelikey> linux-686-smp - Complete Linux kernel on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP.
[10:36] <intelikey> linux-k7-smp - Complete Linux kernel on AMD K7 SMP.
[10:36] <MasterEvilAce> 32bit programs run in 64bit linux right??
[10:36] <intelikey> diezare apt-cache   ^
[10:36] <uniq> masterevilace: not natively.
[10:36] <MasterEvilAce> what do you mean
[10:36] <diezare> but my processor is intel not amd
[10:37] <MasterEvilAce> oh
[10:37] <uniq> masterevilace: you will have to install a 32bit chroot. with 32bit libs and everything.
[10:37] <imbrandon> uniq, sure they can but you cant install them via dpkg , you must user a chroot if you want a package manager
[10:37] <intelikey> diezare if you are that lame.  i'm finished here.
[10:37] <diezare> got it, sry
[10:37] <MasterEvilAce> so installing wine isn't poissible
[10:37] <MasterEvilAce> ?
[10:37] <diezare> didn't the first message
[10:37] <imbrandon> MasterEvilAce, via a chroot
[10:37] <intelikey> ;/
[10:38] <diezare> downloading now, thnx.
[10:38] <imbrandon> MasterEvilAce, check this out ( its for 32bit firefox in 64bit linux but just subsitute wine )
[10:38] <imbrandon> !chroot
[10:38] <ubotu> I know nothing about chroot - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[10:38] <imbrandon> grr one sec
[10:39] <intelikey> you won't get much. i'm thinking....
[10:39] <intelikey> diezare what is the size of the dl ?
[10:39] <imbrandon> MasterEvilAce, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[10:39] <diezare> 52 mb
[10:40] <intelikey> hmmm i guess that's a kernel.     did you upgrade to dapper or what ?
[10:40] <MasterEvilAce> thanks
[10:40] <diezare> i've just got version 6.06 3days ago
[10:42] <diezare> this should be the dapper, or i've got to upgrade?
[10:43] <intelikey> oh.   duh.   i forgot to ask what kernel you had.   bet it's i386.   smp is not in i386  only i686   just took for granted that you had i686       my bad.        anyway all i686  and  k7 kernels have smp built in      and yeah   6.6 is dapper.
[10:44] <intelikey> at least they tell me they do. ^    i have no multicore to test that on.
[10:45] <diezare> i had i386
[10:46] <intelikey> ok.  that was the failing point.   sorry i grumbeled at you....
[10:46] <diezare> np, thnx 4 ur support
[10:47] <intelikey> np
[10:47] <intelikey> ok i'm went....
[10:49] <MasterEvilAce> kubuntu can't run RPM's right?
[10:49] <MasterEvilAce> like it's not designed for it
[10:52] <Bazzi_> MasterEvilAce theoretically it can
[10:52] <MasterEvilAce> does adept run sudo nvidia-glx-config enable after installing nvidia-glx?
[10:52] <Bazzi_> practically I wouldn't do it
[10:53] <Bazzi_> and no, afaik adept doesn't do it
[10:53] <MasterEvilAce> ok
[11:03] <MasterEvilAce> apt-get says could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock.. etc. etc. anyway to fix this without rebooting?
[11:08] <menno_> Kubuntu Dapper won't boot on my second computer!
[11:09] <menno_> you could say: so stick with the first
[11:09] <menno_> but i like to linuxize all my computers!
[11:09] <menno_> maybe some detection error because of the SCSI?
[11:12] <_christel> hi all, does anyone know how to play wmv under breezy?
[11:13] <neil> hi, i got a problem with my kubuntu system. i guess the cmos battery is dead so when it's started the system date is something like 1904-xx-xx. the strange thing is that kdm is freezed when starting with such a datetime, so i guess i should use a ntp server ?
[11:13] <uniq> !wmv
[11:13] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:13] <uniq> !wmv > _christel
[11:15] <neil> no idea ? another problem is that i dont have any /etc/init.d/ntpdate script
[11:16] <knob> hey
[11:16] <_christel> thanks, i'm check your links and get back if pbms. what do you mean with "!wmv"?
[11:18] <uniq> _christel: it's just a command to get the information from ubotu. :)
[11:21] <_christel> thanks, looks like mplayer is the best but apt-get tells me it is not available and has no installation candidate (for mplayer-386)
[11:21] <Kadran> hi how to run an ELF format file in linux??
[11:21] <word> why is kubuntu like .8 versions behind in wine?
[11:22] <word> .0.8*
[11:23] <neil> Kadran: ???
[11:23] <Kadran> i need to run a file that originally for sun solaries and i want to make it work in kubuntu?
[11:23] <Kadran> hi neil
[11:23] <neil> rebuild it ?
[11:23] <Kadran> i don't got it's source code
[11:24] <Kadran> it is the internet explorer 5 for linux
[11:24] <neil> lol
[11:24] <word> http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/news/
[11:24] <word> Kadran: ^
[11:24] <neil> you could also try windows internet explorer with wine if you are on x86/amd64 it works perfectly
[11:25] <Kadran> it hangs up with wine :(
[11:25] <Kadran> i hate that
[11:25] <Kadran> i need to view a site that only be displayed on ie and i don't want to install windows
[11:26] <steini> hi I've a question....I installed Kubuntu and had the 2.6.15-23 kernel...then I installed the nvidia-drivers using Adept...worked fine
[11:26] <steini> but now....I've kernel 2.6.15-26 and can't use the nvidia drivers anymore but can't reinstall newer ones?!
[11:26] <word> Kadran: what browser are you using?
[11:27] <Kadran> i tried konqueror, firefox, mozilla , no use
[11:27] <MasterEvilAce> Help! Can't apt-get remove program because it requires dpkg --configure -a, but it errors so that won't complete. It's looping
[11:27] <word> firefox + user agent switcher plugin install it then right click - > customize on the toolbar and add the user agent icon to the bar then click on it and set it to IE
[11:28] <word> what site are you trying to view?
[11:28] <Kadran> i found that the problem that the site is designed to work with asp.net and asp.net generate code that works with trident layout engine which exclusively works on microsoft
[12:56] <juke> are there any good video player wich can show subtitles?? :P
[12:57] <imbrandon> juke,  afaik both mplayer and kaffeine play subtitles
[12:58] <imbrandon> and both are pretty good imho
[01:00] <juke> hmm.. i have kaffeine but i don't have mplayer.. apt-get :P
[01:00] <juke> tnx
[01:03] <MasterEvilAce> kubuntu support dual core?
[01:03] <juke> imbrandon: you said mplayer.. you mean kmplayer?? :P
[01:05] <MilhousePunkRock> Hi everyone
[01:05] <MilhousePunkRock> How can I change the "pre-KDE" resolution of Kubuntu?
[01:09] <juke> what means pre kde?? :P
[01:10] <MilhousePunkRock> The boot sequence
[01:11] <MilhousePunkRock> When the Kubuntu-Logo is there and it tells me all the booting stuff
[01:11] <MilhousePunkRock> I know I could change that for the Live-CD
[01:11] <imbrandon> juke, no i mean mplayer
[01:11] <imbrandon> Jack1, right click on kick and "add applet" its in the menu
[01:12] <imbrandon> ^^ from awhile ago
[01:12] <imbrandon> MilhousePunkRock, its a kernel parm , like vga= ( try google )
[01:13] <Jack1> yes imbrandon thx i was first looking in application buts rather an applet thx
[01:13] <Jack1> why wont amarok play cds?
[01:13] <Jack1> in my case
[01:14] <MilhousePunkRock> imbrandon: What about this --> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=215566
[01:14] <MilhousePunkRock> See, I tried Google first
[01:15] <MilhousePunkRock> Or is that only for GRUB?
[01:15] <rosa> abattoir:Hi there! Its me again...
[01:15] <isede> hi all, i don't seem to be able to install any perl modules using CPAN intreface - is there some known funnyness about kubuntu perl installation?
[01:15] <bbw> Hi all
[01:15] <rosa> Just purched amarok to see if it works, but it didnt....
[01:16] <rosa> abattoir: do you have any more idas for getting it right?
[01:17] <bbw> i want to install Kqemu but problem with extracting (im newbie to linux ) can someone help me out
[01:18] <fred> ask
[01:18] <bbw> how do i install it
[01:18] <fred> what is the problem you got
[01:18] <rosa> ok... somebodyout there: can anyone tell me where there could be difficulties or things to be dangerous by upgrating kubuntu?
[01:18] <bbw> can't install kqemu
[01:19] <MilhousePunkRock> rosa: Upgrading as in applying the upgrades Adept shows you?
[01:19] <fred> bbw: if you dont give more info, it is hard/impossible to find the issue
[01:19] <bbw> i want to install Kqemu but problem with extracting
[01:19] <fred> ok which problem
[01:19] <rosa> Last time someone tried to upgrade from breezy to dapper all my pathes were killed, so we had to install everything again
[01:19] <fred> more info man, i asked 3time already :)
[01:20] <bbw> missing files
[01:20] <MilhousePunkRock> Are you on Dapper now, rosa?
[01:20] <bbw> is the apt-get code for kqemu
[01:20] <hakan> do you know server code
[01:20] <hakan> ?
[01:20] <fred> bbw: ok good luck then :) sorry i wanted to help but unable to read mind :)
[01:20] <hakan> or any server name for private message
[01:20] <rosa> MilhousePunkRock: now on Breezy but I want Dapper on Kubuntu
[01:21] <rosa> Where could there be problems with upgrading
[01:21] <juke> when i try to play videos with kaffeine or kmplayer.. the sound is not working..why?? :P
[01:21] <bbw> ist oke fred i will google around im totaly new to linux its differend as windows but i will try
[01:21] <bbw> :D
[01:22] <mindspin> rosa make a backup of your /home directory first
[01:22] <hakan> i cantt send any private message
[01:22] <hakan> help
[01:22] <mindspin> hakan: your nick is registered?
[01:22] <rosa> Mindspin: allready done
[01:22] <hakan>  am new user for kubuntu
[01:22] <fred> bbw: ok good luck :) and for a next time, let me repeat, to provide info would help you getting help :)
[01:22] <hakan> i dont now
[01:23] <rosa> home is a single partition on my pc. so it shouldntmatter, right?
[01:23] <hakan> i dont know
[01:23] <mindspin> iirc in some channels you are supposed toregister your nick for sending priv. msg
[01:23] <hakan> ok
[01:23] <bbw> fred its oke i will get the story straid next time so you understand what the problem is , no hard feelings
[01:23] <hakan> thanks
[01:23] <hakan> mindspin
[01:24] <fred> mindspin: yep, freenode requires the nick to be registered to send private messages
[01:24] <fred> bbw, cool :)
[01:24] <bbw> lol
[01:25] <Jack1> guys how would i upgrade to amarok 1.4.1 when by synaptic default there is just 1.3.9 as current specified?
[01:26] <Jack1> i havedifferent probs with amarok eg not playing cds so would i be bettter off to use another media player eg xmms?
[01:26] <fred> Jack1: the new version is in another repository if i remember correctly
[01:26] <Ash-Fox> !mp3
[01:26] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
 i have read that thx
[01:27] <fred> jack1: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.php to get amarok 1.4 pacakge
[01:28] <Jack1> fred with wget? and then compile or how?
[01:28] <fred> nope this is a web page, you go there and it explain you how to get amarok 1.4 pacakge
[01:29] <Lynoure> It seems my Amarok refuses to play mp3s from a usb drive, but shows them fine... and playes other mp3s. Kaffeine will play these from the usb stick just fine...
[01:29] <Lynoure> Is there anything I can do to fix this?
[01:30] <fred> Lynoure: have you tried to put another audio format in the usb drive to see if amarok can play them ?
[01:30] <imbrandon> Lynoure, or use the usb drive as a "media device" in amarok
[01:31] <Jack1> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-141 dapper main  fred do i hvae to add this to the apt sources list?
[01:31] <Lynoure> fred: no, but if I copy the mp3 to hard disk, amarok plays them fine
[01:31] <Lynoure> imbrandon: I'll try that, sounds promising :)
[01:31] <fred> Lynoure: so as imbrandon suggessted it is likely a drive issue, more than a format one
[01:32] <fred> Jack1: the web page say 'amarok-14'
[01:32] <fred> Jack1: i dunno if there is a 'amarok-141' in the url
[01:33] <Lynoure> fred: but on the other hand kaffeine does play them straight from the stick...
[01:33] <fred> Lynoure: yep but they may handle the drives differently, have you tried the imbrandon suggestion ?
[01:34] <Jack1> fred in ur website it explains how to import the keys and then it says Apt source:
[01:34] <Jack1> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-14 dapper main
[01:34] <imbrandon> amarok-latest also works
[01:34] <Jack1> so i am unsure if just to add to the sources list or how to do?
[01:35] <fred> Jack1: ah ok, you showed me "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-141 dapper main" <- so i was thinking you wanted to add the '1'
[01:35] <Lynoure> fred: yes, worked like a charm... still intrigued.
[01:35] <fred> Jack1: so yes add this in the repository list in the /etc/apt/source.list
[01:35] <imbrandon> fred, Jack1 just subsitute amarok-14 for amarok-latest then you dont have to worry about changing it later
[01:35] <fred> Lynoure: it is understandable :)
[01:35] <Jack1> ok thx fred where would i just at the end?
[01:36] <imbrandon> Jack1, yea at the end of the file is fine
[01:36] <fred> Jack1: yep at the end is good. follow the imbrandon suggestion
[01:36] <Jack1> u mean .../packages/amarok-latest right? imbrandon?
[01:37] <fred> yes
[01:37] <Jack1> thx guys
[01:37] <imbrandon> yup
[01:38] <imbrandon> Lynoure, amarok handels remote ( usb is seen as remote ) drives a bit diffrent to accomifdate for iPods and such but that makes usb drives have to use that interface also ;( but all in all it should work
[01:38] <Lynoure> fred: luckily/unfortunately the world is stull of fascinating things to explore.
[01:39] <Lynoure> imbrandon: Thanks to your advice, I'm now happily nodding to Seabound's Hooked :)
[01:40] <imbrandon> Jack1, also while your in your sources.list add another line for "kde-latest" too it will update you to kde 353 and you will be much happier 
[01:40] <imbrandon> fred ^^
[01:40] <imbrandon> Jack1, its signed by the same key so you only have to add the additional line
[01:41] <Jack1> imbrandon just kde-latest without anything else??
[01:41] <imbrandon> no no
[01:41] <imbrandon> make it the same as the amarok line just subsitue the word amarok for kde
[01:41] <fred> imbrandon: http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-lastest or kde-latest things .. this is a generic mechanism which work for any package or are they hardcoded ?
[01:41] <imbrandon> in other words like " deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest dapper main "
[01:42] <Jack1> imbrandon and then how to upgrade amarok?
[01:42] <imbrandon> fred, only ones me or Ridd*ell or Hobbsee package up and backport , atm kde-latest , amarok-latest and koffice-latest are the only choices
[01:43] <imbrandon> Jack1, ok you have those two lines in sources.list ?
[01:43] <fred> ok
[01:43] <imbrandon> and the file saved ?
[01:43] <Jack1> yes fred imbrandon
[01:43] <imbrandon> then in konsole copy / paste this line with no quotes
[01:44] <imbrandon> " sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade "
[01:44] <fred> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic <- jack1 for future use. it helps you autogenerate source.list
[01:45] <imbrandon> heh
[01:45] <rosa> does anyone know about problems with upgrading kubuntu breezy to dapper? and their solutions?
[01:46] <imbrandon> !upgrade
[01:46] <ubotu> Upgrading to Ubuntu 5.10 breezy -> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade  Upgrading to Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperUpgrades  Note: gksudo "update-manager -d" always updates to the latest development version.
[01:46] <Jack1> thx so much guys now i just need to find a real good visualization for electronic music for amarok
[01:46] <imbrandon> rosa,  ^^ losted there
[01:46] <fred> rosa, i did it without issue
[01:47] <imbrandon> fred, here is my sources.list i keep it pretty standard http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/sources.list
[01:47] <rosa> fred: ok. then I did something wrong.... What about printing on dapper?
[01:47] <Jack1> fred in your sources list generator shall i choose oentium for intel core duo?
[01:47] <Jack1> fred i would need 686
[01:47] <Jack1> kernel
[01:47] <KDEfanboy> hehe -> ?
[01:48] <imbrandon> brb afk a few
[01:48] <fred> rosa or more likely i didnt hit your problem :)
[01:48] <slow-motion> hallo
[01:48] <fred> jack1, i think so
[01:49] <fred> all: btw imbrandon is a lot more experienced than me for most answers here :)
[01:49] <Jack1> fred well i better stick to my old one since i cannot chose this 686 core duo
[01:49] <rosa> fred: I did apt gte upgradeinstead of apt get dist-upgrade and everything went kboom.....
[01:49] <Jack1> whatever both bright lights heheh fred
[01:50] <fred> rosa, well kboom is not a precise description :)
[01:50] <Jack1> rosa are u really a girl?
[01:50] <fred> Jack1: yep the source-o-matic is only a suggestino, you easily can do without
[01:50] <rosa> jack1: yes!!!!
[01:51] <Jack1> lol rosa just making fun
[01:51] <rosa> fred: all my pathes didnt work afterwards
[01:51] <fred> rosa, which path are you talking about ?
[01:52] <rosa> fred: some programs said they couldnt find the $path ore something like this... and of course they didnt work!
[01:54] <fred> rosa, ok i doesnt ring any bell here, so maybe you should read the page given by imbrandon, and if your issue is not in there, come back with a precise description of what goes wrong :)
[01:54] <fred> the point here is i dont undestand what is the problem so the solution is pretty hard to find :)
[01:55] <rosa> fred: ok.... tnx anyhow
[01:56] <mindspin> rosa did you a dist-upgrade afterwards?
[01:56] <diezare> Is their a kernel 2.6.17-rc1 versoin avilable for kubuntu?
[01:57] <fred> no problem :) you understand that it is not i dont want to help, it is that 'it doesnt work' is too vague, right ?
[01:57] <stefan_> HEllo all
[01:57] <Harmental> question for everybody....
[01:57] <rosa> mindspin: no, i just did apt get upgrade and it didnt work. everything went wrong, so now Im just a little sceptic!
[01:58] <stefan_> I just install kubuntu dapper
[01:58] <Harmental> where do you do you latex work?
[01:58] <diezare> Is their a kernel version 2.6.17-rc1 for kubuntu, yet?
[01:58] <cox377> hello all
[01:58] <stefan_>  I want to use "apt-setup"
[01:58] <stefan_> but can not find it
[01:58] <cox377> i've just intall kubuntu on my laptop
[01:58] <stefan_> can someone help
[01:58] <cox377> and i dont know how to install the wireless card
[01:58] <stefan_> ?
[01:58] <cox377> !wireless
[01:58] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs with Broadcom Specifics at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper
[01:59] <Ash-Fox> cox377, for me it was just inserting the card and that was that.
[01:59] <Harmental> i have a dlink DWL-G650 pcmcia card and it worked out of the box for me...
[02:00] <cox377> i've inserted the dongle
[02:00] <cox377> and went to wireless assisant application under internet and it says it cant find anything
[02:00] <cox377> rebooted it as well
[02:00] <fred> stefan_: just in case you are not really attached to apt-setup, you may try 'adept', it is really easy to use
[02:00] <Harmental> but when I updated kernel i stopped worked...so I had to stick with 2.6.15-23...
[02:00] <Ash-Fox> lsusb identifies it correctly?
[02:01] <rosa> mindspin: do you think if i do dist-upgrade it should work?
[02:01] <Jack1> fred i have a cd with music on it but the folders appear in ma drive just as question marks?
[02:01] <redboy> hi everyone. Do you mind if I just lurk around for ten minutes?
[02:01] <Jack1> fred probably wrong encoding?
[02:02] <stefan_> fred: but I want to konsle
[02:02] <Ash-Fox> redboy, many people idle here longer :)
[02:02] <redboy> lol ok
[02:02] <stefan_> where is the command "apt-setup"
[02:02] <mindspin> maybe I#m not a good source for help related to dapper upgrade, it was a desaster for me
[02:02] <redboy> thanx
[02:02] <stefan_> I can not find it
[02:02] <Chousuke> stefan_: it should be run on the command line
[02:02] <Chousuke> stefan_: if you need to find the path to it, run "which apt-setup"
[02:02] <stefan_> but I get "command not found"
[02:03] <rosa> mindspin: why? which discribtion did you follow?
[02:03] <Chousuke> stefan_: oh
[02:03] <Chousuke> stefan_: well, maybe you need to install it :P
[02:03] <mindspin> I just did sudo apt-get update, apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:03] <cox377> ash-fox: i ran lsusb and its found 1 device out of 4 which should be correct as there is only 1 usb device
[02:03] <Chousuke> I thought it was installed per default though.
[02:03] <mindspin> after editing the sources.list
[02:03] <fred> Jack1: maybe. dunno
[02:03] <fred> stefan_: ok lets me find the info
[02:03] <Jack1> i can just find a german hardware compatibility list for ubuntu can so point to the international one?
[02:04] <Chousuke> Jack1: check the ubuntu wiki?
[02:04] <fred> stefan_: oh have you tried aptitude ? this is command line too
[02:04] <rosa> mindspin: where did you get the how to from?
[02:04] <Chousuke> !HCL
[02:04] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[02:04] <mindspin> all started with not installing kubuntu-desktop, it could have been related that I had already kde3.5.2 installed(riddelspackage)
[02:05] <fred> stefan_: ok do 'locate apt-setup' in a terminal and paste that in pastebin
[02:05] <mindspin> rosa which "howto" its just routine  haha and adding other sources beside the default ones may be a risk...
 !HCL yes thats it thx
[02:06] <rosa> mindspin: you had not-standart installation, so this was coming to see, but i havent!
[02:06] <cox377> i've run the command lshw to try and see if there is the wireless card showing and it';s just saying "DMI"
[02:06] <fred> stefan_: i dunno the path to reach it but apt-setup exists
[02:07] <mindspin> I would try a dist-upgrade and have a brief look in your sources.list (wether there are typos ...)
[02:07] <stefan_> when I do `locate apt-setup` iget imidiatly an emtpy promt
[02:07] <stefan_> so what is it
[02:07] <rosa> mindspin: ok, then ill do so!
[02:07] <stefan_> its a fresh installation
[02:08] <stefan_> so I dont know where to look
[02:08] <fred> stefan_: ok try 'sudo apt-get install apt-setup'
[02:10] <stefan_> okay, I get then apt-setup not found
[02:10] <fred> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+source/apt-setup <- well it is there somewhere :)
[02:11] <fred> try "sudo apt-get update" and then the install
[02:11] <pascal> Hi, I seem to have lost direct rendering during one of the last updates. Any idea what I can do to fix it?
[02:12] <pascal> I have a radeon 9000 chip
[02:12] <cox377> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[02:13] <Russel> hiho
[02:13] <Russel> is there a tool like gnome-power-manager for kubuntu?
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Russel: kpowersave
[02:14] <Russel> i tried it with the live cd, but suspend didn't work right... with gnome-power-manager it worked
[02:14] <Jack1> fred it worked fine and it plays audio cds now..but visualisations is greyed out for no reason..
[02:15] <fred> Jack1: well that's bad :)
[02:15] <fred> my dht refuses to bootstrap after a relaunch, which package should i install ?
[02:16] <fred> apt-get install mybrain
[02:16] <fred> it replies notfound!!!
[02:17] <Jack1> fred i was just wondering the xmms plugins are still there just not found..anway doesnt matter
[02:18] <fek> moin
[02:26] <cox377> does anyone have experience with setting up wireless?
[02:26] <stefan_> can someon help me?
[02:26] <stefan_> I can not find apt-setup
[02:27] <stefan_> on a frshh dapper installation
[02:27] <stefan_> please..
[02:30] <Philip5> stefan_: i don't have it either
[02:30] <Philip5> stefan_: and don't need it
[02:30] <stefan_> okay , how can I add the kubuntu-dvd in adept
[02:30] <stefan_> ?
[02:31] <stefan_> I tried to load from cdrom but it says then could not open cdrom
[02:31] <Philip5> stefan_: in the menu you can choose to manage sources
[02:32] <Jack1> anybody any idea in the latest amarok is visualisations greyed out even when playing music...
[02:32] <Jack1> so how to get them working?
[02:34] <Lt-Elmo> morning all
[02:34] <cox377> hey
[02:34] <stefan_> okay how should I add the kubuntu-dvd in adept?
[02:34] <stefan_> can not find a point to do it
[02:35] <Lt-Elmo> comparing ubuntu to kubuntu here, is it just me or is KDE quicker than gnome
[02:36] <cox377> yeh
[02:36] <cox377> can anyone tell me a command to detect my wireless network command?
[02:41] <knob> !wireless
[02:41] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs with Broadcom Specifics at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Dapper
[02:42] <aegeanlinux> !make
[02:42] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for a pre-built package first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[02:43] <cox377> i'm running iwconfig
[02:43] <cox377> and when i do
[02:43] <cox377> it lists
[02:43] <cox377> LO, ETH0, ANd sit0 but doesnt list the wlan0
[02:44] <h3sp4wn> cox377: Which card are you using ?
[02:44] <cox377> hey h3sp4wn: it's a netgear dongle
[02:44] <h3sp4wn> cox377: Trying to use ndiswrapper ?
[02:44] <cox377> i dont know which one it is as the stickers are missing off the side
[02:45] <cox377> whats ndiswrapper?
[02:45] <h3sp4wn> It allows you to use ndis (i.e windows) drivers for cards which have no native linux support
[02:45] <weedar> cox377: ndiswrapper lets you use windows drivers for your card
[02:45] <cox377> Ummm
[02:45] <cox377> i dont know which card it is yet
[02:46] <cox377> is there a command i can use to show me which card it is?
[02:46] <weedar> cox377: lsusb should list all usb devices - so if it's an usb dongle you should find "netgear" somewhere in the output from "lsusb"
[02:47] <cox377> sorry for the paste but
[02:47] <cox377> root@admin-desktop:~# lsusb
[02:47] <cox377> Bus 005 Device 003: ID 1385:4251
[02:47] <cox377> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[02:47] <cox377> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[02:47] <cox377> Bus 004 Device 003: ID 04b4:8081 Cypress Semiconductor Corp.
[02:47] <cox377> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[02:47] <cox377> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[02:47] <cox377> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[02:47] <weedar> use www.pastebin.org or similar site to paste cox377
[02:47] <cox377> worry
[02:47] <cox377> sorry
[02:48] <cox377> i tried to earlier but it kept giving me errors
[02:48] <cox377> h3sp4wn: can you tell from that @ all?
[02:48] <isodude> Hey, how is it all the configuration windows are so huge.. is there someway to make them smaller.. so you actually can press the buttons OK and so on when using lesser resolutions than 1280 :o
[02:49] <h3sp4wn> cox377: No
[02:50] <h3sp4wn> cox377: Doesn't even look like it is plugged in unless its the very top one
[02:51] <weedar> isodude: that has annoyed me for quite a while! A partial solution seems to be to press ALT when clicking on the window to move it :/
[02:51] <isodude> I've searched the forums, but nothing about the window sizes.
[02:51] <cox377> h3sp4wn: I'm assuming it is as there is only 2 USB devices now conneced
[02:52] <isodude> I've also noticed that the sizes are set that big, so no resizes is allowed..
[02:53] <h3sp4wn> !usbids
[02:53] <ubotu> I know nothing about usbids - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[02:53] <h3sp4wn> There is a way of updating the usb id's but I don't know how to do it (searched google but can't fine it)
[02:53] <isodude> Hm, I wonder, where do one find the default sizes for those configuration windows.
[02:53] <darkadmiral> how can I find out, which sound driver my PC is using?
[02:53] <cox377> h3sp4wn: cheers for that, i've just been informed its a NETGEAR WG111T 108MB usb dongle
[02:54] <sotired> i need help to wipe and format a second hadd
[02:54] <sotired> *hdd
[02:54] <sotired> i tried to do it with makefs but no dice
[02:54] <h3sp4wn> cox377: Madwifi does not support usb devices yet unfortunately :(
[02:55] <cox377> h3sp4wn: i just ran update-usbids and it did so,me sorta update
[02:55] <cox377> but
[02:56] <cox377> h3sp4wn: when i run lsusb again it hasnt made any difference to the results
[02:56] <isodude> weedar: ever found anything about it on launchpad or ubuntuforums?
[02:56] <cox377> h3sp4wn:"Madwifi does not support usb devices yet unfortunately :(" what does that mean?
[02:57] <sotired> anyone?
[02:58] <uliwitness> Hi. Newbie myself, but that sounds like a WLAN driver gets loaded and you have an USB-based WLAN adapter?
[02:58] <uliwitness> And it doesn
[02:59] <uliwitness> And it doesn't support anything but built-in or PCMCIA or whatever WLAN adapters? I.e. they haven't written the code to do USB-based ones?
[02:59] <cox377> uliwitness: u talking to me matE?
[02:59] <omeow> m8
[02:59] <omeow> hy sup m8
[02:59] <sotired> can someone help me to format this drive? i formatted it with mke2fs but now i cannot access ir
[03:00] <uliwitness> cox377: yup.
[03:00] <cox377> h3sp4wn: does this mean i'm buggered?
[03:00] <trident523> sotired: Are you clearing your drive, or, are you splitting a partition?
[03:01] <cox377> anyone: does this mean i'm buggered lol
[03:01] <h3sp4wn> cox377: You can use ndiswrapper but you need to find the version of the windows driver it has been tested with or you will have stability problems
[03:01] <sotired> Trident523: its a slaved in drive, was ntfs, i want to wipe it and format it to use it as storage for movies and large files
[03:02] <cox377> well, if it's been installed on a windows box
[03:02] <trident523> sotired: I think that's a bug that some people are having... going to find that bug on the site... Also, I just installed about 2 hrs ago, but have been trying linux for the past 3 days.
[03:02] <cox377> h3sp4wn: can i get the driver from that?
[03:03] <sotired> i dont think there is a bug...i just dont know what im doing. this isnt the drive ubuntu is on, its a second drive i just need to format
[03:04] <trident523> Well, I'm little to no help there. But, I thought I read about it earlier on the wiki.
[03:04] <sotired> thanks anyway
[03:04] <h3sp4wn> cox377: http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/Installation
[03:05] <sotired> i tired searching in googel...but all it tells me is how to do a dualboot
[03:05] <sotired> i dont want that
[03:05] <sotired> i just want to format this second drive to ext3 that spans the entire disk
[03:05] <cox377> h3sp4wn: cheers for that
[03:06] <h3sp4wn> cox377: Maybe also search for your specific card and the driver version they used
[03:07] <cox377> yeh
[03:07] <cox377> just having a troll through the forms now
[03:07] <cox377> think this may have been a mistake installing kubuntu on my mates lappy
[03:07] <cox377> i dont think i was ready for the wireless step and just dont have the time
[03:07] <h3sp4wn> cox377: I would try and install the latest version of ndiswrapper
[03:08] <trident523> cox377: What chipset?
[03:08] <sotired> ndiswrapper usually goes pretty quickly
[03:09] <cox377> trident523: not sure what chipset it is
[03:09] <uliwitness> Is it OK to ask kubuntu installer questions here?
[03:09] <cox377> i'm sure i just read what it was
[03:09] <cox377> athoes or something
[03:09] <cox377> let me try and find it
[03:09] <till> atheros
[03:09] <h3sp4wn> atheros usb is not supported b y madwifi though
[03:09] <cox377> trident523: " atheros chip" apparently
[03:10] <cox377> h3sp4wn: meaning i gotta try and use ndiswrapper?
[03:10] <h3sp4wn> cox377: Yes
[03:10] <h3sp4wn> cox377: It is alot more stable than it used to be but requires you to have a driver that is tested with it
[03:11] <cox377> i've just installed it on a windows box to check it worked
[03:11] <cox377> so i can get the driver version from that?
[03:12] <h3sp4wn> Maybe but if I was you I would find out exactly which atheros chipset it uses
[03:12] <h3sp4wn> and use the one that ndiswrapper suggests for that
[03:12] <trident523> cox377: Hey, looks like I got some info. It's kind of old, but it might work. It's from 5.10, Breezy.
[03:13] <trident523> Bottom of wiki page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/WirelessChipsets?highlight=%28Atheros%29
[03:13] <Jack1> hi in amarok 1.4.1 i cannot get the libvisual thing working...the visualsations are greyed ou
[03:13] <Jack1>  after reading the faq i still cannot find the xmms-config file
[03:14] <trident523> cox377: "Atheros' USB-chipsets are quite different from the PCI ones: Support planned for MadWifi 2.0, which is far away."
[03:15] <h3sp4wn> trident523: ndiswrapper is getting alot better (and it supports hotplug maybe better than madwifi)
[03:15] <cox377> trident523: so it says that there is no problems with that chipset? so i go ahead and install ndiswrapper?
[03:15] <mathewfer> Hi Can anyone know how to get the WPA up with Kubuntu 6.06?
[03:16] <h3sp4wn> mathewfer: What card ?
[03:16] <trident523> cox: Shure, I'm just hunting down info. That is what I do. But, I'm not a bot.
[03:17] <h3sp4wn> Someone needs to bother getting all the drivers for ndiswrapper (best working ones in one place)
[03:18] <cox377> i've just found a kubuntu guide for installing my card
[03:18] <stefan_> I want to add the kubuntu dvd in sources.list with no success
[03:18] <cox377> shall let u know how it does
[03:18] <mathewfer> h3sp4wn: It is D-Link DWL-G520 (Atheros). NIC is detected properly
[03:18] <trident523> h3sp4wn: Wouldnt you need a bunch of wireless cards to test?
[03:18] <stefan_> can someone tell me how to do this?
[03:18] <h3sp4wn> mathewfer: pci or pcmcia (i.e not usb()
[03:18] <mathewfer> PCI
[03:19] <h3sp4wn> mathewfer: iwlist ath0 scan
[03:19] <h3sp4wn> mathewfer: can you see the accesspoint (i.e that its using wpa)
[03:19] <mathewfer> Yes, it sees my netowrk
[03:19] <Melchiorr1> stefan_: deb file:///media/sda/Ubuntu/UbuntuMirror/Dapper Dapper main restricted  universe multiverse  (modify the path to where your cd drive is ;))
[03:20] <section31_> Does Network Manager work with Atheros cards?
[03:20] <mathewfer> WPA _Suplicant worked with Ubuntu 5.10 nut now with Kubuntu 6.06, no luck.
[03:20] <h3sp4wn> mathewfer: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes (network manager doesn't work with atheros properly)
[03:20] <Melchiorr1> stefan_: err, sorry, wrong entry
[03:20] <h3sp4wn> mathewfer: ^^ that tells you the new way to configure wpa_supplicant
[03:20] <Melchiorr1> stefan_: don't use that, hang on a tick
[03:21] <h3sp4wn> section31_: sort of works but not reliably (scanning all the time makes the connection unreliable)
[03:21] <mathewfer> what is the new way? I see a file xxupdown.sh
[03:22] <h3sp4wn> mathewfer: You just set it up from /etc/network/interfaces (that text file explains it all perfectly) if there is any part of it you don't understand ask me
[03:22] <mathewfer> Is there any document/howto/URL or how to contact you?
[03:23] <cox377> does anyopne know the apt-get install command for ndiswrapper?
[03:23] <Hobbsee_> cox377: sudo apt-get install ndiswrapper-utils
[03:23] <ubuntu> How do you move files from harddisk to usb drive using command
[03:23] <cox377> what an idiot
[03:23] <cox377> already had it installed
[03:25] <mathewfer> h3sp2wn, any replies
[03:26] <larson9999> !nividia
[03:26] <ubotu> I know nothing about nividia - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[03:26] <larson9999> !nvidia
[03:26] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:27] <h3sp4wn> mathewfer: That is the only document which explains the new way to setup wpa_supplicant (man wpa_supplicant is really outdated)
[03:27] <mathewfer> what is the document - which file name?
[03:28] <Jack1> h3sp4wn can u help?
[03:28] <h3sp4wn> mathewfer: scroll up I have given it to you twice
[03:29] <Jack1> after an upgrade to amarok 1.4.1 visualisation wont work anymore (with plugins of xmms being isntalled)
[03:29] <Jack1> advice on their site is: You probably don't have xmms-config installed, reconfigure and build after installing the appropriate xmms-devel package. You also may want to install the latest version of libvisual, which has some ultra fancy visualizations.
[03:29] <Jack1> but this xmms-config is nowhere!
[03:30] <Jack1> hiya Hobbsee#
[03:30] <Hobbsee> hey Jack1
[03:31] <Hobbsee> Jack1: ah, i wonder if we took out xmms-dev for compiling 1.4.1 debs
[03:31] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: might know
[03:31] <Jack1> imbrandon are u there?
[03:33] <mathewfer> thanks
[03:35] <imbrandon> ?
[03:35] <Jack1> can u help with the xmms-config?
[03:36] <Jack1> as i said above after upgrading to kde 3.5.3 and amarok1.4.1 visialisations wont work anymore
[03:36] <imbrandon> i dont know much about xmms but i de know there is/was issues with amarok 141 and libvis
[03:36] <imbrandon> s/de/do
[03:36] <Jack1> they advise u to get the latest libvisuals thing which i did
[03:37] <imbrandon> libvisual0.4 ?
[03:37] <Jack1>  You probably don't have xmms-config installed, reconfigure and build after installing the appropriate xmms-devel package.
[03:37] <Jack1> imbrandon no i got via synaptic just the o.2
[03:37] <Jack1> i c
[03:37] <cox377> right, this is how far i've got
[03:37] <imbrandon> 141 uses libvis0.4 BUT its not in dapper atm so we buildt with 0.2 i know the issues
[03:38] <cox377> install the river athfmwdl.inf
[03:38] <cox377> and it says installed and hardware present
[03:38] <imbrandon> Jack1, hold on one moment
[03:38] <cox377> i tried installing the wg111t.inf and it said hardware was not present
[03:38] <cox377> so i'm assuming the athfmwdl is the one of choice
[03:38] <Jack1> so i get the 0.4 and dismiss the xmms-config? sure imbrandon+
[03:39] <imbrandon> Jack1, remove amarok 141 ( from saynaptic ) and grab all the debs from this address and install and see what happens ( http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/packages/ ) thats my personal build of amarok141
[03:39] <h3sp4wn> cox377: So if you remove it and put it back in does wlan0 appear ?
[03:40] <cox377> opps
[03:40] <cox377> forgot about that
[03:40] <imbrandon> Jack1, with libvis 0.4
[03:40] <cox377> h3sp4wn: let me just check
[03:40] <cox377> h3sp4wn: wlan0 isn't present when i run iwconfig
[03:40] <Jack1> imbrandon ok
[03:40] <imbrandon> brb afk
[03:41] <imbrandon> Jack1, if you have more issues you can PM me later but i'll be afk about 1.5 hours
[03:41] <h3sp4wn> cox377: I don't know much about ndiswrapper
[03:41] <cox377> h3sp4wn: and when i run the wireless lan manager it says no suitable device found
[03:41] <h3sp4wn> cox377: Have you loaded the module ?
[03:41] <Jack1> imbrandon wait 1 mom
[03:41] <cox377> h3sp4wn: shame : (
[03:41] <Jack1> via apt-get remove?
[03:41] <Jack1> or complete unistall via synaptic?
[03:41] <Jack1> imbrandon how?
[03:42] <imbrandon> yea thats fine, then get all the debs from above and run " sudo dpkg -i *.deb "
[03:42] <Jack1> ok thx
[03:42] <imbrandon> either way
[03:42] <imbrandon> will work fine
[03:42] <cox377> h3sp4wn: what sthe module?
[03:42] <Jack1> imbrandon thx
[03:42] <imbrandon> np bbiab
[03:43] <h3sp4wn> cox377: Are you following the instructions from the ndiswrapper wiki ?
[03:43] <rysiek|pl> hi guys. a short one here, hopefully: I have upgraded from Breezy to Dapper and now have the device (cdrom, dvdrom, NFS-share) icons on my desktop; I would dearly love to remove them, so that the NFS-share icon goes away completely, and the cd/dvd icons show up only if/after the cd/dvd is inserted. any pointers?
[03:44] <cox377> h3sp4wn: ummmm must admit i wasn,t i shall look their now
[03:44] <Jack1> imbrandon i use the 686 kernel but see just the i386 there
[03:45] <imbrandon> i386 is compatable with 686
[03:45] <imbrandon> 686 is a subarch the real arch is i386
[03:45] <imbrandon> thus they will be fine ( 98% of the packages you ahve instaled now are i386  )
[03:46] <h3sp4wn> imbrandon: Does anyone use ubuntu on a 386/486 (I pity them if they do)
[03:46] <imbrandon> h3sp4wn, i have it on a 486dx4 alppy 
[03:47] <imbrandon> lappy*
[03:47] <fred> q. is there an apps to do 'a distributed whiteboard over the internet' ?
[03:47] <h3sp4wn> imbrandon: And you would say it is usably fast ?
[03:47] <imbrandon> fred gobby
[03:47] <imbrandon> h3sp4wn, its not terrible ( fluxbox )
[03:47] <Veinor> Hello.
[03:48] <h3sp4wn> imbrandon: How different is it to debian sarge ? in terms of speed
[03:48] <imbrandon> fred there are others , try google, but gobby comes to miind, we used that for the paris UDS
[03:49] <imbrandon> h3sp4wn, never used debian sarge in my life, i was a SuSE guy before i came to ubuntu
[03:50] <rysiek|pl> anybody?
[03:50] <Veinor> When I downloaded the iso from kubuntu-6.06-desktop-i386.iso.torrent and tried to burn it in cdburnerxp pro 3, it said the .iso wasn't valid
[03:51] <h3sp4wn> imbrandon: I thought your webserver run's sarge ?
[03:51] <Veinor> Anybody have any ideas why this would be?
[03:52] <section31_> Veinor: Your download may have gotten corrupted. Try downloading again.
[03:53] <Veinor> Kay. I'm downloading direct as well as the alternate torrent, hopefully that'll work
[03:53] <section31_> Its great to have broadband isn't it?
[03:53] <cox377> h3sp4wn: u still about mate?
[03:54] <h3sp4wn> cox377: Yes
[03:54] <cox377> can u click on this link please
[03:54] <cox377> http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=wg111t+chipset&meta=&btnG=Google+Search
[03:54] <cox377> the very first link shows my card within the list
[03:54] <cox377> under the desciption
[03:55] <cox377> but when u open the page
[03:55] <cox377> it isnt there
[03:55] <cox377> or am i going nuts?
[03:55] <fred> imbrandon, i looked and gobby seems to be text only, no ? look at http://hem.fyristorg.com/matben called coccinela (it is over jabber)
[03:55] <h3sp4wn> cox377: http://www.netgear.de/download/WG111T/WG111T_GRV1.2.zip (that is the driver you should be using)
[03:56] <cox377> h3sp4wn: for some reason the full page wasnt showing of the list
[03:56] <cox377> but i got it
[03:56] <cox377> cheers
[03:57] <h3sp4wn> cox377: Which version of ndiswrapper are you trying to use ?
[03:58] <cox377> h3sp4wn: not sure, ummm the latest i would have though
[03:58] <rysiek|pl> asked, but got no answer, trying once more: I have upgraded from Breezy to Dapper and now have the device (cdrom, dvdrom, NFS-share) icons on my desktop; I would dearly love to remove them, so that the NFS-share icon goes away completely, and the cd/dvd icons show up only if/after the cd/dvd is inserted. any pointers?
[03:59] <LjL> !icons
[03:59] <ubotu> Want to see volume/trash icons on the desktop? Go to /apps/nautilus/desktop in gconf-editor (Gnome) or go to http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/tipsntrix.html#showtrash (KDE)
[03:59] <LjL> might help
[03:59] <LjL> though i guess, not really
[04:00] <imbrandon_> rysiek|pl: right click on the desktop and choose behaveure on the left, then the last tab on the right
[04:00] <imbrandon_> its in ther
[04:00] <imbrandon_> e
[04:00] <rysiek|pl> thx, checking
[04:01] <LjL> hm yea that sounds more like it
[04:03] <rysiek|pl> yeah, that's it, I guess. I'll just mangle a wee bit with it, thanks
[04:03] <imbrandon_> np
[04:04] <h3sp4wn> cox377: Are you using release 1.21 ?
[04:04] <cox377> h3sp4wn: looked under detailed from the adept manager and it says 1.8
[04:07] <h3sp4wn> cox377: I would remove the one from adept and use 1.21
[04:07] <cox377> how do i install something thats not in the package manager?
[04:08] <LjL> cox377: first, make sure it's really not there (i.e. not in a repository that you didn't enable)
[04:08] <LjL> !packages
[04:08] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, apt-cache, the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com  -  Ubuntu has about 18000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[04:08] <h3sp4wn> cox377: sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-386
[04:08] <LjL> cox377: after you know for a fact that it's not there, then it depends entirely on the program and the way it's shipped
[04:08] <h3sp4wn> cox377: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ndiswrapper/ndiswrapper-1.21.tar.gz?download
[04:09] <h3sp4wn> cox377: If you can't get it working there is no way the ndiswrapper people will even take a look unless you are using the latest stable version
[04:10] <h3sp4wn> LjL: Unless you know enough about ndiswrapper to help him (I don't)
[04:11] <cox377> ljl: i'm not sure what you mean about repository that i didnt enable
[04:11] <LjL> h3sp4wn: no, unfortunately for him my house is radiowave free :)
[04:11] <cox377> mine to
[04:11] <cox377> this is a wired house
[04:11] <cox377> it's my mates that is wireless
[04:11] <LjL> cox377: nevermind that, at least for ndiswrapper... but there are many programs that *are* in Ubuntu, but you can't see them by default unless you enable the Universe and Multiverse repositories
[04:12] <knob> ive got them enabled
[04:12] <knob> by the way
[04:12] <knob> this is also cox377
[04:12] <knob> swapping between lappy and desktop
[04:13] <LjL> tried asking in #ubuntu? more people there
[04:13] <larson9999> i'm curious why the new openoffice builds aren't done.  it's been a while and isn't that considered a major app?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> larson9999: for which distro?  dapper?
[04:13] <larson9999> Hobbsee: yeah
[04:13] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: Why don't you do them if you want them that bad
[04:14] <LjL> larson9999: dapper doesn't get updates, unless it's security fixes or major bugs...
[04:14] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: i already installed them.  just asking as a matter of how things usually work
[04:14] <Hobbsee> h3sp4wn: oh gosh.  suggesting that someone compile OO.o?  ouch
[04:15] <LjL> Hobbsee: well, if the package's there in edgy (which i don't know), it might not even be too hard to compile the source package. not that i'd look forward at trying that anyway
[04:15] <nix_chix0r> hrm yea so i'm in kubuntu and it won't let me stall I seem to be having issues with partitioning
[04:15] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee: heh  h3sp4wn makes a point to try the old school way even if its not "user friendly" as the ubnutu cree
[04:15] <nix_chix0r> I was supprised it supported my pci adapter like right away
[04:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: true
[04:16] <mustech> i have a strange problem
[04:16] <Hobbsee> LjL: not for OO.o...sheesh!  :P
[04:16] <cox377> h3sp4wn: thing is that is really weird is that i downloaded the drivers suggested, when i go to add them to ndiswrapper they dont add
[04:16] <cox377> :d
[04:16] <cox377> :S
[04:16] <mustech> i cant change any thing from any package installer
[04:17] <larson9999> LjL: so for instance, screenkast just when from .1.1 to .1.2.  are you telling me .1.2 probably won't make it to the dapper repos?
[04:17] <mustech> like adept,kpackage
[04:17] <imbrandon_> larson9999: exatly
[04:17] <imbrandon_> exactly
[04:17] <LjL> larson9999: i'm telling you it *certainly* won't make it
[04:17] <imbrandon_> it will be in edgy
[04:17] <nix_chix0r> lol cox377 at least you got that far, I can't even install the stupid thing, kubuntu that is. and it's funny because I had Genpoo before, and things were fine till I rebooted and had grub errors =)
[04:17] <LjL> larson9999: only possibility is the Backports repository. apps are backported to there on an on-demand basis, and only when it's considered feasible/"easy enough". and dapper backports is not yet open anyway
[04:18] <cox377> damn
[04:18] <nix_chix0r> i click the install icon and let it do it's thing and it's like yea......... partitioning.. i'm a whore
[04:18] <nix_chix0r> haha
[04:18] <cox377> looks like i'm going to have to install ndiswrapper the manual way
[04:18] <cox377> never done that before
[04:18] <mustech> can i have some help here ?
[04:18] <nix_chix0r> cox377: installing that isn't that hard
[04:18] <nix_chix0r> there is a wiki how to for that as well i think
[04:18] <cyberyder> anyone has 5 minutes so i can ask a few question about linux
[04:19] <larson9999> LjL: ok.  i count the backports as in the repos.  i was a little confused because just the other day people in here told me 'they' were working on building the new ooo
[04:19] <nix_chix0r> cyberyder: , www.lowfatlinux.com
[04:19] <nix_chix0r> take five minutes and go there
[04:19] <cyberyder> thanks
[04:19] <LjL> mustech: possibly, but "i can't change anything from any package installer" isn't too helpful for me as a description of the problem. could you elaborate? i assume you're trying to install applications under Adept, and failing?
[04:20] <LjL> larson9999: hm but wouldn't that be for Edgy? i doubt that something as big as OO.o would ever end up in Backports, even though... well perhaps it doesn't really have too many dependencies
[04:20] <mustech> this is what happens when i try to install or remove any thing
[04:20] <mustech> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18153
[04:21] <LjL> mustech: ok i'm not familiar with Adept, could you try installing the same package using apt-get? "sudo apt-get install <packagename>"
[04:21] <rysiek|pl> imbrandon_: that didn't quite solve it, though; when I de-select "Unmounted CDRoms" and such - I just get no cd/dvd icons whatsoever, even though I have "Mounted CDRoms" and "Audio CD's", etc., still selected. Whatismore, when I plug-in my mp3-player (via USB), the icon does not show either, regardless of all the settings in that tab that might concern it.
[04:21] <larson9999> LjL: i don't know.  i'm knew to ubuntu and am just trying to get a feel if i should wait for packages to hit the repos or build my own.  in the mandrake world there were packages of just about everything i wanted almost as soon as it came out.
[04:21] <mustech> i'll try
[04:22] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: Mandriva cooker is more upto date than edgy at the moment isn't it ?
[04:22] <abattoir> rosa: hello. problem solved?
[04:22] <LjL> larson9999: not the same here, i don't think. you really mostly have to wait for the next ubuntu version (due to October), except for things that get into the backports. and things that do are usually relatively "small" packages with few dependencies
[04:22] <Hawkwind> He's not referring to cooker though
[04:22] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: likely. but i'm not sure.  i didn't use cooker.
[04:23] <larson9999> Hawkwind: you always think you know what i mean.
[04:23] <larson9999> Hawkwind: and it so happens you do :)
[04:23] <LjL> larson9999: on the other hand, if you want to see such a "small" package in the Backports repos, asking for it in the appropriate forum will probably get it added -- i mean, after Backports opens at any rate
[04:24] <imbrandon_> form no, lp file yes
[04:24] <imbrandon_> forum
[04:25] <larson9999> LjL: i'm comfortable compiling on my own or using alien to convert rpms.  but if there is a package i feel strongly should make it to backports, i'll do that.
[04:26] <nix_chix0r> < i've never used kubuntu but why does it seem like it's a live cd that you can install to bcome an actuall distro kinda like knoppix or what ever?
[04:26] <nix_chix0r> and why is it being a whore
[04:27] <mustech> E: Unmet dependencies. Try apt-get -f install with no packages (or specify a solution).
[04:27] <nix_chix0r> won't let me partion the hard drive e
[04:27] <mustech> that what it says
[04:27] <h3sp4wn> nix_chix0r: If you install using the alternative cd (you get a better - more stable installer)
[04:27] <larson9999> nix_chix0r: you think just because your nick has 'chix' in it we will take that from you?  you're probably right.
[04:27] <LjL> larson9999: just to make sure - you know using alien can be bad, and you know about checkinstall, right?
[04:27] <nix_chix0r> larson9999:  i'm actually female though
[04:27] <LjL> mustech: do what it says
[04:27] <LjL> mustech: though add a sudo. "sudo apt-get -f install"
[04:28] <nix_chix0r> h3sp4wn:  i grabbed the latest one i saw on kubuntu haha
[04:28] <nix_chix0r> so what alternative cd is there
[04:28] <mustech> it says Correcting dependencies... failed
[04:28] <LjL> nix_chix0r: the alternate cd contains a text-mode installer
[04:28] <LjL> mustech: welcome to trouble
[04:28] <programmer> ""hello.cpp:4: error: \200\230i\200\231 does not name a type"" can anyone help? in kubuntu i am unable to decipher the error message as the characters printed for error seems not to be ascii
[04:28] <LjL> mustech: does it say anything else?
[04:28] <h3sp4wn> nix_chix0r: http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/6.06/kubuntu-6.06-alternate-i386.iso
[04:29] <nix_chix0r> larson9999: and take what from me, my asking what's up with the cd? how is that bad?
[04:29] <larson9999> LjL: yep.  i know all about screwing my systems up.
[04:29] <LjL> programmer: is that an hello world program? does it print "hello world" in a language other than english?
[04:29] <larson9999> nix_chix0r: err, just joking
[04:29] <LjL> larson9999: good then, as long as you know it :)
[04:29] <nix_chix0r> h3sp4wn:  thanks for that i'ma have to email it to myself hahaha
[04:30] <nix_chix0r> cause i'm in kubuntu right now
[04:30] <h3sp4wn> nix_chix0r: You can install from the livecd
[04:30] <nix_chix0r> and was fairly supprised it detected the network for the pci adapter right
[04:30] <nix_chix0r> h3sp4wn: oh yea?
[04:30] <nix_chix0r> i tried that
[04:30] <nix_chix0r> it's being dumb
[04:30] <programmer> LjL. it's a hello world program. but it prints in english only.
[04:30] <LjL> programmer: could you pastebin the source?
[04:30] <h3sp4wn> nix_chix0r: I have never tried it because I know how bad it was before
[04:30] <larson9999> nix_chix0r: the joke was referring to calling kubuntu a whore.  but i was just teasing.  it's ok. females have a long history of thinking i'm not funny.  they're all wrong obviously
[04:31] <rysiek|pl> a dumb question, probably: should I, on Kubuntu Dapper, have HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) installed to have my usbsticks and such auto-discovered and auto-mounted?
[04:31] <LjL> mustech, does the error message say anything else?
[04:31] <nix_chix0r> larson9999: =) your a big boy you can take it , < is assuming ;p and i'm reffering to you being sort of grown up
[04:32] <rosa> abattoir: not really.... right now Im trying to upgrade kubuntu breezy to dapper,with which it should go better, but without beeing able to print....
[04:32] <nix_chix0r> well kubuntu is being a whore lol
[04:32] <larson9999> nix_chix0r: put it this way.  i'm not too far away from getting aarp spam
[04:32] <h3sp4wn> nix_chix0r: I would trust https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromKnoppix (that method more than using expresso)
[04:33] <nix_chix0r> see now i have to download the knoppix cd again
[04:33] <nix_chix0r> i had a bad burn
[04:33] <rysiek|pl> anybody?
[04:33] <nix_chix0r> haha aarp, i love those commercials
[04:33] <h3sp4wn> nix_chix0r: Just get the altenative cd (or if you want a livecd use kanotix)
[04:34] <larson9999> rysiek|pl: i'm just a goof but i do believe you need HAL for that.
[04:34] <nix_chix0r> hmmm
[04:35] <Jack1> hobbsee?
[04:35] <Hobbsee> Jack1: heya
[04:35] <Jack1> hey
[04:35] <rysiek|pl> larson9999: darn, now the question is: why the heck did the apt-get dist-upgrade from Breezy to Dapper actually *remove* it?..
[04:35] <rysiek|pl> larson9999: anyways, just installing it, thx
[04:36] <rosa> does anyone know how it is possible to be online with aol on kubuntu dapper?
[04:36] <Jack1> i installed the packages of imbramdon for amarok all works fine just the mouse icon shivers like...
[04:36] <LjL> rysiek|pl: perhaps you didn't have kubuntu-desktop installer. or whatnot. i couldn't upgrade from breezy at all, myself
[04:36] <Jack1> dont know
[04:36] <programmer> LjL. I pasted code at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d18156
[04:36] <programmer> LjL. I pasted code at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d18156
[04:36] <Jack1> guess this is a bug Hobbsee
[04:36] <nix_chix0r> alright i'm going to give this a whirl, h3sp4wn> thanks for the link
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Jack1: could well be.  tell imbrandon_ to fix it :P
[04:36] <larson9999> rosa: aol?  egads!!
[04:36] <Jack1> yes will do
[04:37] <Jack1> bye lads
[04:37] <nix_chix0r> aol o.O // dies//
[04:37] <headache> hey any hackers here... i need www.mavishare.com 's php code. simple. i pay 5,000$ if youre successful - that is all, msg me ill be on freenode all day
[04:37] <nix_chix0r> ta ta
[04:37] <rysiek|pl> LjL: I had it and I upgraded (*cough*!) nicely - now I'm just spending the third day on making it work as I like it (as I had Breezy to work)
[04:38] <LjL> programmer: well first thing, i see a space between "i" and "nt" in the word "int" -- assuming that's really a space and not some weird character
[04:38] <rosa> i dont like aol, but its the only possible way to go online for the next two month! so please: does anyone know?
[04:39] <larson9999> i upgraded breezy to dapper and it went ok.  i had installed breezy about a week before dapper came out.
[04:39] <rosa> wenn i upgraded breezy to dapper all my pathes were killed.....
[04:39] <LjL> programmer: i'm guessing the source contains some nonprintable (unicode, whatever) characters that you can't see in the editor. try copying and pasting to a new file
[04:40] <rysiek|pl> larson9999: that's why. you had a clean, unmangled Breezy instalation, without those additional 2k packages and 5k self-changed thingies :)
[04:41] <programmer> LjL: to generate the error message i purposefully put a space between i and nt. the problem i have is not with the source code, but the display of error message. i am unable to see the characters displayed. and i see this when i use kubuntu
[04:41] <LjL> !ops
[04:41] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, uniq, Mez, jpatric, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, or gnomefreak
[04:41] <larson9999> rysiek|pl: oh.  well, i keep a decent record of the 'non-repo' changes i make and undo those before trying to upgrade.  it was a little trick i found in mandriva that help when doing upgrades.
[04:42] <rysiek|pl> larson9999: aww, that's my bad I didn't do that.
[04:42] <LjL> programmer: i see. well... does the command "locale" say you're using en_US.UTF-8?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> LjL: what?
[04:43] <larson9999> rysiek|pl: but in that week.  i installed plenty of stuff.  i'm bad about installing all sorts of crap and not removing it once it's clear i'll never use it
[04:43] <LjL> Hobbsee: headache, see above
[04:43] <Hobbsee> oh, spamming?
[04:44] <LjL> Hobbsee: i'd call it more than that, but anyway
[04:44] <LjL> i think it's actually a felony if you want to be precise
[04:44] <LjL> incitazione a delinquere, incitation to commit a crime, whatever you'd call it in english
[04:44] <programmer> LjL: the "locale" command says en_IN
[04:44] <rysiek|pl> larson9999: aye, same here. well, I have only three things left on my "MakeDapperWork" checklist, so it's not *that* bad :0
[04:44] <rysiek|pl> :)
[04:44] <Hobbsee> LjL: good point
[04:46] <LjL> programmer, Hobbsee: by the way, why does *my* "locale" say i'm using en_AU.UTF-8? what have you done to my system hobbsee? ;-P
[04:46] <Hobbsee> LjL: no idea.  i've done nothing at all w.r.t locales :P
[04:47] <LjL> programmer: jokes aside, try setting those variables to en_US.UTF-8 , and try compiling... don't worry, they will revert to the previous values anyway
[04:47] <larson9999> rysiek|pl: but really, if you have a good idea of your normal customizations, i really think installing from scratch is just about as fast as upgrading.  plus i found that if i go ahead and burn and install cd for myself, i comes in handing when friends see my cool, free system and one me to help them install it on their system.
[04:48] <programmer> LjL:thanks i'll try and see
[04:48] <rysiek|pl> larson9999: good point. although I just like to be able to tell: "I have just upgraded my system from version A to version B - now, my friend, just *try* to do the same with WinXP and Vista!" :)
[04:48] <LjL> programmer: i think you can type "export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8; export LANG=en_US.UTF-8; export LANGUAGE=en_US:en"
[04:49] <LjL> programmer: that should set them all
[04:49] <larson9999> rysiek|pl: plus if there are issues, you're not constantly thinking it's due to something wrong with the upgrade process.
[04:49] <rysiek|pl> larson9999: this system is originally Hoary, upgraded to Breezy (no problems then) and now - to Dapper
[04:49] <rysiek|pl> larson9999: another good point. two more machines to be upgraded, so it's worth considering
[04:50] <larson9999> rysiek|pl: well, i'm happily off of windows for good for some time now(personal life) but i upgraded iirc from windows 3.1 to win95 to win98 to xp.  not sure about 3.1 to 95 though.
[04:51] <rysiek|pl> larson9999: "upgraded" and not "installed from scratch"?..
[04:51] <larson9999> rysiek|pl: but there is some satisfaction in bragging about those kinds of things.  but i'm just not into the whole '3 million uptime days' thing.  i turn my system off nightly.
[04:53] <rysiek|pl> I've got a system that acts as a server, so the "3M uptime days" is just the way it *should* work. my own desktop goes down every night, too
[04:54] <rysiek|pl> , though
[04:54] <larson9999> rysiek|pl: yep.  there was a machine change in there between 95 and 98 but i kept the install on the same hd.  i'm guessing with the M$ licensing crap, that might be hard to do from xp to vista
[04:54] <nelson__> join
[04:54] <nelson__> #join
[04:55] <rysiek|pl> brb
[04:56] <Harmental> how do u set up a webcam??
[04:58] <programmer_> LjL: i set them as u said and recompiled, but the error message shows the same i.e., "hello.cpp:4: error: i does not name a type" when i use the locale command it says en_US.UTF-8
[04:58] <larson9999> is there a
[04:58] <larson9999> !webcam
[04:58] <ubotu> webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[04:58] <LjL> programmer_: well at least it's not giving you a bunch of \escaped charcodes =)
[04:59] <programmer_> LjL: yes :)
[04:59] <Harmental> thnx
[05:02] <programmer_> LjL: is there any way
[05:03] <LjL> programmer_ i don't really know, i just get test.cpp:4: error: i does not name a type
[05:05] <nixternal> !classroom
[05:05] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Classroom is a project which aims to tutor users about Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu through biweekly sessions in #ubuntu-classroom - For more information visit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom
[05:06] <dek_aik> Help...why there is a "34"  if i put "man:something" in konqueror? ..is it relating to encoding? my encoding is set to automatic detection--semi automatic
[05:07] <Harmental> should I use easycam or easycam2???
[05:07] <dek_aik> for example it is supposed to be "device" but it shows "34"device"34"
[05:12] <dek_aik> anybody?
[05:19] <slow-motion> brb
[05:25] <dek_aik> hallo?
[05:25] <haffe> Hello. I would like to switch from ubuntu-desktop to kubuntu-desktop. Apt-getting kubuntu-desktop is simple enough, but I want to remove all of ubuntu-desktop.
[05:27] <LjL> haffe: it's not too easy
[05:27] <LjL> haffe: you can remove libgnome, but some stuff might be left around
[05:29] <dek_aik> LjL: can you help me with my problem?
[05:31] <programmer_> How can i see the laptop battery charge left with a command?
[05:31] <Hawkwind> dek_aik: What problem ?  State your question and most anyone might be able to help
[05:32] <dek_aik> Help...why there is a '34'  if i put "man:something" in konqueror?
[05:32] <larson9999> LjL: maybe i'm not so comfortable compiling... this glut configure error with screenkast is killing me :)
[05:33] <dek_aik> for example it is supposed to be "device" but it shows '34'device'34'
[05:33] <programmer_> Also i'm asking my problem again,on my kubuntu system i gets displayed as  i and also while viewing man pages some characters aren't displayed correctly.
[05:34] <dek_aik> programmer_: i guess my problem is similar to your
[05:34] <programmer_> dek_aik: did u any try any solutions
[05:35] <dek_aik> programmer_: i try to change the konqueror menu view-encoding to manual and try every option from western to utf8..no result
[05:39] <LjL> larson9999: well when configure scripts are broken...
[05:39] <LjL> larson9999: try auto-apt perhaps
[05:40] <abattoir> programmer_: 'acpi' should show you info about your laptop's battery/ies
[05:40] <larson9999> LjL: the configure script is borken?
[05:40] <LjL> larson9999: i don't know, i've just seen lots of broken configure scripts
[05:41] <larson9999> LjL: thanks for the vote of confidence but it's probably due to me being a moron
[05:41] <larson9999> i like to blame myself first.
[05:43] <larson9999> LjL: seems to be a glut issue that's known but i still can't find the fix for.
[05:43] <larson9999> give me a year or two and i'm sure i can figure it out.
[05:46] <LjL> larson9999: gee, that thing depends on, like, every library known to man
[05:47] <larson9999> the configure error is glutInit not found install glut.
[05:48] <larson9999> of course i think i already have glut installed
[05:48] <LjL> i'm still at libavcodec :)
[05:49] <rosa> i am at ttf-devanagari-fonts !!!
[05:50] <LjL> i hope it's not screenkast that requires *that* :-P
[05:50] <LjL> though i think that's a package i actually have
[05:51] <LjL> ok i'm at glut
[05:51] <LjL> larson9999: are you talking about libinstrudeo or screenkast? 'cause with libinstrudeo i installed glutg3-dev and it was happy
[05:52] <larson9999> LjL: lol what are you installing?
[05:52] <larson9999> LjL: thanks but you didn't need to go through the trouble.
[05:52] <LjL> i've just got nothing real to do
[05:52] <larson9999> LjL: screenkast
[05:52] <LjL> ah so you got libinstrudeo compiled already
[05:52] <trident523> *chough* I left my IRC on? Oh well.
[05:52] <larson9999> i got libinstrudeo installed.  i think i had to install about 20 apps for it.  or so it seemed
[05:53] <LjL> possibly more
[05:53] <LjL> if it asks me for one more library i'm going to install OS/2 =)
[05:53] <larson9999> and then about 3 or 4 before i got to the glut issue
[05:54] <LjL> glibmm? GLIBMM? no it must be kidding me
[05:54] <larson9999> i wonder if you installed the screenkast 1.1 if apt-get would install the dependencies and then you could compile the new version and hopefully most of the dependencies wouldn't have changed?
[05:55] <LjL> larson9999: uh... there'a a screenkast in the reps?
[05:55] <Harmental> general question for all latex lovers out there.....
[05:55] <larson9999> i thought i saw .1.1 but it doesn't have the features i want
[05:55] <Harmental> what is your tool for latexing?
[05:55] <LjL> !info screenkast
[05:55] <ubotu> Package screenkast does not exist in dapper
[05:56] <LjL> unless it goes by some weird name...
[05:56] <larson9999> LjL: oh guess i'm wrong.  lemme see if i can find where i saw that.
[05:57] <larson9999> LjL: ok. not there.
[05:58] <LjL> WHAT THE HECK did checkinstall just do
[05:58] <LjL> i don't have sudo access anymore
[05:59] <h3sp4wn> LjL: checkinstall always breaks stuff
[05:59] <LjL> not *this* kind of way, last time i tried
[06:00] <LjL> some of my KDE applets have disappeared, i don't have access to sudo *or* permissions to read from the screenkast directory... and then hell knows what
[06:00] <LjL> actually, i have a "permission denied" on my entire home
[06:00] <larson9999> LjL: that doesn't sound good
[06:00] <LjL> on the entire *disk*
[06:01] <LjL> ok, i can't even enter a new shell
[06:01] <LjL> ... or login in any way
[06:02] <larson9999> let me remove checkinstall
[06:03] <LjL> larson9999: mind you, i did something that's probably unadviceable with it (but still..)
[06:03] <LjL> larson9999: i run "sudo checkinstall", but then realized i hadn't run "make" at all, so ctrl+c'ed, and now system's 100% broken
[06:04] <larson9999> LjL: checkinstall warning on next release: playing russian roulette with this may be fatal... or worse.
[06:04] <LjL> let's see if i can at least reach the pastebin and record what has happened
[06:05] <LjL> heck it's not even fatal with *apt-get*, most of the times
[06:05] <larson9999> control c ing while sudo has caused me some pain in the past
[06:05] <LjL> An error occurred while loading http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/:
[06:05] <LjL> Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: Permission denied.
[06:05] <LjL> ok, so no pastebin
[06:06] <LjL> larson9999: can you make me a favor? if you join some channel, say #ljl, and i'll paste my shell log, so you can put it into the pastebin
[06:06] <larson9999> sure
[06:07] <larson9999> i'm there
[06:07] <LjL> ok, i suppose my IRC client won't allow me to type anything for a while, while i'm pasting
[06:07] <LjL> i'm starting
[06:08] <kurzweil4> hello, ..I need to resize my main partition, but when I installed Kubuntu it put the swap partition at the end instead of the beginning ....I can't move it because it is in use ...how do I take it out of use so I can move it?
[06:11] <LjL> hell
[06:11] <LjL> why didn't Konversation's flood protection work *just* the one time i really needed it
[06:12] <LjL> larson9999: i'm on windows from another computer, can't reconnect from my Ubuntu box, it doesn't resolve hostnames anymore
[06:13] <Cntryboy> Anyone know of a site where I can go download free awesome screen savers?
[06:13] <larson9999> LjL: i'm assuming that little bit won't help any
[06:13] <LjL> i'll try if i can connect using freenode's IP address
[06:14] <larson9999> how many people does it take to install screenkast?
[06:14] <Lynoure> Cntryboy: what kind you conside awesome? the repos already contain a bunch
[06:14] <larson9999> let's ask the owl. he knows everything
[06:14] <Cntryboy> lynoure: Maybe but I can't preview them so I have no idea what they are
[06:15] <larson9999> maybe hawkwind can include screenkast in his new awesome ubuntu repository
[06:15] <Cntryboy> lynoure: and the ones that came with kubuntu are plain terrible
[06:15] <Cntryboy> ubuntu gnome has some cool ones
[06:15] <Lynoure> Cntryboy: what kind do you usually like?
[06:15] <Cntryboy> gl type
[06:16] <Cntryboy> something that doesn't look made with little dots lol, something worth looking at
[06:16] <LjL-Ubuntu> larson9999: blargh, i can't even re-activate Konversation's flood protection... i can't access Konv's settings, they're all grayed out =)
[06:16] <LjL-Ubuntu> it's like i'm the "nobody" user
[06:16] <Cntryboy> anyway to put in ubuntu cd and pull them off of it?
[06:17] <Lynoure> Cntryboy: I'm prolly the worst person ever to point you to some, as in my world it's either black screen or RSS feed aggregator, and haven't found a nice latter one :) But let me check
[06:18] <Cntryboy> ok
[06:18] <Cntryboy> wish someone knew of a site where I could preview them, 2.1KB dialup here
[06:18] <Cntryboy> lol
[06:18] <Cntryboy> either that or know how to pull them off of gnomes ubuntu disc for this kubuntu
[06:18] <larson9999> LjL: oh boy.
[06:19] <larson9999> you can't just list the ubuntu cd as a source?
[06:19] <abattoir> Cntryboy: kde-look.org ?
[06:19] <LjL-Ubuntu> larson9999: at least i *hope* i'm "just" something like the nobody user, because the other option is most of my files being deleted... >:  though i don't think that could actually happen in such a short time
[06:20] <abattoir> http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=30
[06:20] <larson9999> LjL: why would check install delete anything?  or do anything distrctive?  seems like it should just be 'checking' stuff?
[06:20] <larson9999> or does is actually 'do' stuff
[06:21] <java> my wireless card (linksys) shows up as interface = wlan0, however the wiki states it should show up as auth0.. should this be a problem
[06:21] <Cntryboy> abattoir: thx
[06:21] <Hobbsee> LjL-Ubuntu: ubotu has access control now, FYI
[06:21] <Cntryboy> let me look through them
[06:22] <LjL-Ubuntu> hobbsee: i know, but i've always had access to it, it's just that right now i'm having a few problems
[06:28] <grizzly> IS it necessary to install xgl for compiz? ?
[06:28] <grizzly> Or am i confused
[06:35] <Cntryboy_> how can I kill my cntryboy id so I can use it?
[06:35] <programmer> how can i start ubuntu in console mode?
[06:36] <larson9999> holly smokes! all the different glut stuff is confusing
[06:36] <Cntryboy_> abattoir: what is this fix, and do I need it 3.5.3-0ubuntu0.2_FIX
[06:36] <Cntryboy_> was on the screensaver site u sent me to
[06:37] <abattoir> Cntryboy: last i heard, there was a bug in the KDE 3.5.3 packages related to that... do you have 3.5.3?
[06:37] <slow-motion> brb
[06:37] <larson9999> how to you find the file names that are in a given package?
[06:37] <Cntryboy_> abattoir: not sure how can I see?
[06:37] <larson9999> like i want to know which package has foo.h?
[06:37] <Cntryboy_> I might have 3.5.2
[06:37] <Cntryboy_> but not sure
[06:37] <abattoir> Cntryboy: in any KDE app, Help-> About KDE
[06:38] <Cntryboy_> 3.5.2
[06:38] <Cntryboy_> so I dont need it then right
[06:38] <programmer> how can i start ubuntu in console mode?
[06:38] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: dpkg -S foo.h (if you install kde-devel you get most of the kde stuff)
[06:38] <abattoir> Cntryboy: then i guess it doesnt pertain to you. :)
[06:38] <Tonren> Hey all, I'm having trouble getting a Theme I downloaded to work with QtCurve.  Has anyone had this trouble before?
[06:38] <LjL-Ubuntu> larson9999: you can use apt-file or auto-apt
[06:38] <LjL-Ubuntu> !auto-apt
[06:38] <ubotu> I know nothing about auto-apt - try searching http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?db=ubuntu
[06:38] <LjL-Ubuntu> !apt-file
[06:38] <ubotu> apt-file is a program that can tell you in which package you can find the files you look for. sudo apt-get install apt-file && sudo apt-file update
[06:38] <LjL-Ubuntu> !info auto-apt
[06:38] <ubotu> auto-apt: package search by file and on-demand package installation tool. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.3.20 (dapper), package size 44 kB, installed size 216 kB
[06:38] <LjL-Ubuntu> larson9999: you need to "sudo auto-apt update" (or same with apt-file) before you can use them
[06:39] <LjL-Ubuntu> larson9999: i'll try a DCC to you and pasting my log there, if you don't mind
[06:39] <larson9999> sure will my dcc work? i haven't dccd since the 90's
[06:40] <LjL-Ubuntu> larson9999: who knows. i'm behind an ISP NAT, as well, so i really don't know - haven't used DCC since long, either
[06:40] <Cntryboy_> anyone know how to kill nicknames that are lagging behind
[06:40] <Cntryboy_> my cntryboy id is still here
[06:40] <abattoir> Cntryboy_: /msg nickserv ghost username password
[06:40] <Cntryboy_> thx ya
[06:41] <LjL> larson9999: getting anything?
[06:41] <Cntryboy> not sure what cuases them to lag behind
[06:42] <larson9999> LjL: it aborted
[06:42] <LjL> larson9999: ok can you try DCCing me yourself?
[06:42] <larson9999> LjL: it errors before i get a chance to click it
[06:43] <LjL> larson9999: [16:45]  [Error]  Connection broken, error code 15.
[06:43] <LjL> pff
[06:43] <DammitCoetzee> you know what. every single ubuntu distribution needs an expert configuration setting
[06:43] <DammitCoetzee> where all the stupifdified menus
[06:43] <DammitCoetzee> are normal
[06:43] <DammitCoetzee> so i dont have to keep undumbing kde
[06:44] <sanpsedo> people from france?
[06:44] <LjL> !fr
[06:44] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:44] <sanpsedo> ok merci
[06:44] <larson9999> LjL: i don't have apt-file
[06:45] <h3sp4wn> DammitCoetzee: Just use kcontrol (instead of system settings)
[06:45] <LjL> larson9999: i know but it's in the repos
[06:45] <larson9999> LjL: apt-get says it isn't
[06:45] <DammitCoetzee> yea...
[06:45] <DammitCoetzee> i do
[06:45] <DammitCoetzee> but still
[06:45] <DammitCoetzee> its a pain
[06:45] <LjL> larson9999: it's in universe i guess
[06:45] <LjL> !info apt-file
[06:45] <ubotu> apt-file: APT package searching utility -- command-line interface. In repository universe, is optional. Version 2.0.7ubuntu5 (dapper), package size 11 kB, installed size 92 kB
[06:45] <DammitCoetzee> since ubuntu is my first linux distro that i use veryday
[06:46] <DammitCoetzee> so i keep finding where other people have this control over their system
[06:46] <larson9999> LjL: type-o
[06:46] <DammitCoetzee> but its gone
[06:46] <DammitCoetzee> in ubuntu based systems
[06:46] <LjL> i need to go now, will leave the computer on so hopefully i can find a way to paste my shell history later
[06:46] <fred> DammitCoetzee: so it is likely your source.list which is 'bugged'
[06:46] <DammitCoetzee> ....
[06:46] <DammitCoetzee> doubtful
[06:46] <larson9999> LjL: have no other way to get that info? email, or removable media you can access?
[06:47] <larson9999> camera to potograph it and send from windows?
[06:47] <fred> DammitCoetzee: ok, this is unniverse which is bugged then :) and only for you, what a bummer ? :)
[06:47] <DammitCoetzee> ? i dont think you understand me all the way...
[06:47] <fred> i guess :)
[06:48] <LjL> larson9999: i can't access anything
[06:48] <LjL> larson9999: tried camera, but my hands are too shaky
[06:48] <DammitCoetzee> im just saying there should be a ubuntu-kde or ubuntu-gnome setting and then there should be a default kde or gnome setting
[06:48] <LjL> later
[06:48] <larson9999> LjL: coffee jitters or are you just getting old like me?
[06:48] <fred> DammitCoetzee: rereading the log, and you are correct, i mixed you and some question about apt-get. sorry :)
[06:48] <DammitCoetzee> fred: no problems
[06:51] <DammitCoetzee> but yea, is what i'm suggesting even possible?
[06:53] <fred> well if you are willing to maintain such configuration, i guess ubuntu will be ok to include it
[06:54] <fred> but clearly ubuntu has a policy of being easy to use for the beginner, which implies to do predefined choices tune for them
[06:55] <Lord_Athur> I have win xp and kubuntu drapper on this computer, but windows dowsn't start. After I choose win with grub, windows isn't loaded, what could it be?
[06:56] <fred> Lord_Athur: did window used to start thru your grub, and stopped ?
[06:56] <fred> Lord_Athur: or it never started up from your grub ?
[06:56] <slow-motion> re
[06:58] <Lord_Athur> It always starts with grub, the problem ocurred today :(. Grub showed some information (makedefault, system fat...) and then the screen didn't change
[06:58] <larson9999> errr, do i want GLUT, freeglut, or openglut?
[07:00] <fred> Lord_Athur: what have you done since yesterday ? reinstall/upgraded ubuntu ?
[07:01] <Lord_Athur> mmm let me think, I made the computer work all night downloading a distro.
[07:01] <bimbocircus> is there any program that cant test hardware in linux, like my hard drive?
[07:02] <fred> Lord_Athur: ok my guess is that grub got 'reinstalled' somehow and the parameter to get window started got crushed
[07:03] <fred> Lord_Athur: so the window is still there but wont boot
[07:03] <Lord_Athur> so, what do i do?
[07:03] <Lord_Athur> do I resintall grub?
[07:03] <fred> and no i dunno how to restore it, but i know it is possible, not that bad already:)
[07:04] <fred> you may look for doc about how to get a dual boot with window
[07:04] <fred> they likely contain this info
[07:04] <h3sp4wn> !grub
[07:04] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:05] <anacaona> hello
[07:05] <anacaona> i use konqueror to rip ogg files from cds
[07:05] <bbw> Hi all
[07:06] <anacaona> i'd like to know where to change the rip settings
[07:06] <fred> anacaona: go to the montain and play djembe for me
[07:07] <bbw> Do someone now about quake 4 i have sound problems , sound is not good ,
[07:08] <Lord_Athur> thanks all
[07:14] <Lord_Athur> I'm having another problem, this time it's with the printer.
[07:15] <Lord_Athur> I'v to leave, bye all
[07:16] <ranunculoid> Hi i'm trying to install a program and it just failed on the ./configure bit. It failed before because I didn't have a compiler so I installed gcc just there. Here's the error: "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables". How can I fix this? What package do I need?
[07:16] <h3sp4wn> ranunculoid: build-essential
[07:16] <ranunculoid> Thanks
[07:17] <h3sp4wn> ranunculoid: the program you are trying to install will have README INSTALL or somesuch file maybe in doc/ find out what it needs from there
[07:19] <larson9999> LjL: got it all fixed?
[07:20] <bimbocircus> i need to reinstall xp on this box, is there a simple way to get linux grub back?
[07:20] <bimbocircus> !grub
[07:20] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:21] <larson9999> anyone know hoat i do to fix this?  i have the glut dev package installed.  checking for glutInit in -lglut... no
[07:21] <larson9999> configure: error: *** glut missing - please install glut development package ***
[07:21] <bimbocircus> is this supposed to work, i thought i tried it once and had big problems
[07:21] <kurzweil4> is it impossible to unmount /dev/hda1 while in KDE?
[07:22] <anacaona> fred: former montrealer?
[07:22] <ranunculoid> Ok. The ./configure bit got a bit further this time. Now it says "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!" Which once again gives me no clue as to what package I need to install to fix it. Any ideas guys?
[07:23] <larson9999> i don't really understand this about ubuntu.  but when i look at the glut.h that's posted on the net, there are all sorts of things in there.  including glutInit.  but on my system there are just about a dozen lines and most are comments
[07:24] <Tonren> Hey guys, I know I have qt installed, but I'm getting this error when I try to ./configure a theme from kde-look.org:
[07:24] <Tonren> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3) (library qt-mt) not found. Please check your installation!
[07:24] <Tonren> What gives?
[07:25] <DammitCoetzee> fred: sorry i had to go eat. but yes ubuntu should be easy for the begginner. It should also be easy for the begginning linux user. and having to spend 4 hours to get something somewhat near to kde was not what i wanted to do
[07:25] <fred> anacaona: yep and i miss it. especially when i have dull sunday and think about how much fun it would be to be now playing djembe :)
[07:26] <DammitCoetzee> im just saying. that including all the default konqueror profiles and kcontrol and such as an option. shouldnt be that hard...
[07:26] <fred> DammitCoetzee: i dunno, but i do know that kubuntu team is very open and welcome new people :)
[07:28] <kris_> hi
[07:29] <anacaona> fred: where are you now?
[07:29] <fred> anacaona: paris
[07:31] <anacaona> fred: well, i hear it ain't that bad, either.
[07:31] <fred> anacaona: ok lets switch then :)
[07:32] <anacaona> fred: there's only one place i'm leaving montreal for, and that's haiti.
[07:32] <anacaona> fred: though i would accept bahia as a second choice
[07:33] <fred> haiti is peacefull nowadays ?
[07:33] <anacaona> fred: or a medium-sized town in cuba
[07:33] <kurzweil4> how do I resize the partition that Kubuntu is installed on?
[07:33] <anacaona> haiti - no, not really.
[07:33] <h3sp4wn> Is cuba good for cigars and gambling ?
[07:34] <Goliath23> hi
[07:34] <Goliath23> I installed kubuntu, but it seems konqueror is not able to show any jpegs
[07:34] <Goliath23> whats wrong?
[07:38] <DammitCoetzee> fred: i would make a package as such if i had any clue where to begin
[07:48] <mister_roboto> has anyone here had problems shutting down recently? my laptop, completely up-to-date dapper, won't shut down any longer via logout/turn off computer.
[07:48] <Tommy2k4> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168
[07:48] <Tommy2k4> i get that error twice every time i open something from konsole, what does it mean
[07:49] <berni> Hallo, wird hier deustsch gesprochen?
[07:50] <Archie_Tooth> nein, nur Englisch
[07:51] <berni> schade ;)
[07:51] <Cntryboy> anyone use xwinwrap
[07:53] <berni> can anybody say how to update aegis-virus-scanner?
[07:53] <Cntryboy> Not sure why ppl want a virus scanner for linux, when viruses are not that common
[07:53] <Cntryboy> but nope I read about it awhile back, seems okay.. But not sure why you feel u need one lol
[07:54] <berni> Ok, thanks
[07:54] <finchum> i have a support question regarding samba with kubuntu
[07:54] <Archie_Tooth> berni - there is a #kubuntu-de on freenode
[07:54] <larson9999> ppl need them to help cut down on the windows infections :)
[07:54] <berni> danke ;)
[07:54] <finchum> can someone offer me some help?
[07:54] <larson9999> i'm sure that soon enough there will be viruses for distros that promote running as root
[07:55] <rysiek|pl> finchum: just ask
[07:55] <Cntryboy> larson9999: Only reason Id see to have one right now is to scan your windows mounts
[07:55] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: Which distro's run as root ?
[07:55] <finchum> i log into kubuntu the regular way...i go to users and add myself as a "root" user
[07:56] <finchum> i then go to samba to add a share and it says to login as administrator...i put in the password but everything stays grayed out
[07:56] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: i think that was linspire i read that in.  i could be wrong but one of those targeting the windows convert.  the guy who created even gives this big spiel about how it's ok because thats what we didn't in windows
[07:56] <finchum> i try wrong passwords and it doesn't accept them...if i put in the one i used to log in initially, it accepts it, but everything remains inaccessible
[07:57] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: Maybe that is true I have never run linspire
[07:57] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: s#didn't#did in#
[07:58] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: i saw that about 6 months or so ago when i was checking out new distros.  couldn't believe i was reading it
[07:59] <Cntryboy> So, no one here uses xgl and uses xwinwrap?
[08:00] <finchum> how do i login as administrator from within samba?
[08:01] <h3sp4wn> finchum: adminstrator ?
[08:01] <h3sp4wn> finchum: As far as I know samba doesn't use an account called administrator
[08:03] <finchum> i can't change anything without it
[08:03] <finchum> it demands that i "login as administrator to make changes"
[08:03] <finchum> so i click it, type my password, and everything remains greyed out
[08:04] <ajay> which file i gotta apt-get to get mp3 support in amaroK
[08:07] <Goop2> heyaz
[08:08] <Goop2> I need some help with booting :\
[08:08] <Archie_Tooth> ajay:  libxine-extracodecs - you may need to add the multiverse repository first.
[08:10] <Goop2> I reset Windows-eXPee after putting backup stuff on Kubuntu, but now I cant get to the stuff :\
[08:10] <Verslype> Is there any word on fixing the libxine/amarok demux bug?
[08:13] <ajay> thx Archie_Tooth
[08:14] <slow-motion> re
[08:15] <coretti> salve
[08:15] <larson9999> i found a post from a guy who says he 'apt-get install build-essential x-window-system-dev'  but i don't see  x-window-system-dev in the repos.  when i search on x-window nothing that comes up has a 'dev' on it.  is there such a package?
[08:16] <coretti> c' qualche italiano
[08:16] <coretti> ?
[08:17] <coretti> qualcuno parla italiano?
[08:18] <abattoir> !it
[08:18] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[08:19] <abattoir> coretti: ^^^^^^^
[08:22] <Kwukki> !nl
[08:22] <ubotu> Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[08:22] <Goop2> I have a Panic Button on Windows :D
[08:22] <abattoir> Goop2: the 'Start' button? ;)
[08:22] <Goop2> no :P
[08:22] <abattoir> Goop2: or is it the "Power On" button?
[08:22] <abattoir> that's where all the troubles start :P
[08:23] <Goop2> I have a dock, with a big red button that says PANIC
[08:23] <abattoir> what does it do? reboot to linux?
[08:23] <Goop2> nuthin
[08:23] <Goop2> cause windows is too stupid to know how bad it is xD
[08:24] <abattoir> Goop2: poor thing, dont blame it, blame its makers :P
[08:26] <barneyR> I have a lucent internal modem, dials out ok, connects and then hangs up after 30 seconds. I also have Mepis 3.4.3 where the modem works fine. Can I copy dialup files from Mepis and use them in Kubuntu?
[08:27] <knapper> hmm ktorrent is cheesed. It wont start a download for anything, yet azureus will.
[08:27] <Goop2> on windows I like azureus more
[08:28] <knapper> Is there a command to refresh the kmenu?
[08:31] <Goop2> how would I go about installing GRUB from a live Breezy disk?
[08:32] <teelittle> i think, grub-install should do it...
[08:32] <teelittle> don't know if it's included in the live disk; can you check?
[08:32] <teelittle> <searching for his notes>
[08:33] <Goop2> would I do that in konsole?
[08:33] <teelittle> goop2: yes. no icons, no windows ;-)
[08:34] <teelittle> Goop2: try the following (you need to be root): grub-install /dev/hda
[08:35] <teelittle> (assuming you want to install grub in the the boot sector of your first IDE hard disk...)
[08:36] <Goop2> teelittle: Kubuntu is on hdb (I think) would this still be the right thing?
[08:36] <teelittle> Your system boots from the disk that is configured in the BIOS setup.
[08:37] <Goop2> ok, Ill try it then :D
[08:37] <jontec> I'm having trouble with java.
[08:37] <teelittle> goop2: what do you have on the other disk? A second OS=
[08:38] <Goop2> the first OS is Windows-eXPee
[08:38] <Goop2> :P
[08:38] <Goop2> then on a second HD I have Kubuntu
[08:38] <slow-motion> bbl
[08:38] <teelittle> goop2: then you need to configure grub for loading Kubuntu or WinXP in the second step
[08:39] <teelittle> don't know if grub sees this itself... how is Kubuntu booted till now?
[08:39] <jontec> What is the copy command in Konsole? Someone, anyone? I also need the delete as well.
[08:40] <Goop2> Originaly I used GRUB, but then I had to reset Windows because of malware, and Im on a live disk now
[08:40] <teelittle> @jontec: "cp" for copy, "rm" for remove/delete
[08:41] <teelittle> goop2: OK then, I think you need to install grub to /dev/hda because your BIOS might be preset so (you can change that anyway).
[08:42] <Goop2> oops
[08:42] <Goop2> ---/dev/mapper/casper-snapshot does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[08:42] <rikhard> hi all
[08:42] <larson9999> i install windows on my second hd, then install linux on the first.  that way grub is on the the first and if i ever need to, i have the windows boot loader on the 2nd.
[08:43] <Goop2> I have backup files on linux :\
[08:43] <teelittle> goop2: what is that mapper?
[08:43] <rikhard> may i ask something?
[08:43] <teelittle> goop2: did you have grub installed before your WinXP crashed?
[08:43] <teelittle> @rikhard: go, ask!
[08:44] <Goop2> teelittle: I.... I dont know :\ Thats what it said when I typed "grub-install /dev/hda"
[08:44] <rikhard> i'm unable to see the icons on the task switcher
[08:44] <rikhard> does anyone know why?
[08:45] <larson9999> anyone here check out captorials.com?
[08:45] <teelittle> @rikhard: task switcher is what comes up when you press ALT-TAB?
[08:45] <rikhard> yes
[08:45] <rikhard> i can't see what apps are running
[08:45] <teelittle> @rikhard: sorry, no idea :-(
[08:46] <rikhard> i can swith among apps
[08:46] <teelittle> @rikhard: but you DO have apps running on the active virtual desktop?
[08:46] <rikhard> but can't see them
[08:46] <rikhard> yes :-)
[08:47] <teelittle> @goop2: maybe you need to be on a "clean" system? Can it be because of the "live" status of your running system?
[08:47] <jontec_> I need the copy/paste and delete commands for Konsole? A location of all the commands might me nice too?
[08:47] <rikhard> live??
[08:47] <rikhard> i just installed kubuntu
[08:48] <teelittle> @rikhard: that's another thing, not your issue ;-)
[08:48] <rikhard> it was working but not now
[08:48] <Goop2> teelittle: Im not realy sure how I would do that.. is there a boot disk I can get somewhere?
[08:48] <rikhard> ohhh sorry
[08:50] <teelittle> @goop2: I once created a boot disk to boot to the REAL grub console (it does have a shell-like thing!)
[08:50] <teelittle> @rikhard: sorry, really no idea...
[08:51] <teelittle> @goop2: it worked like the following (having the grub-files installed on my harddisk):
[08:51] <Goop2> teelittle: It seems you can only make one on a Linux system, and I cant get it to compile :\
[08:51] <teelittle> dd if=/usr/share/grub/i386-pc/stage1 of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 count=1
[08:52] <teelittle> dd if=/usr/share/grub/i386-pc/stage2 of=/dev/fd0 bs=512 seek=1
[08:52] <rikhard> ok thanks
[08:52] <rikhard> i'm googling but can 't find a clue
[08:53] <teelittle> after that, you have a grub Command Line Interface when booting from that floppy disk...
[08:54] <teelittle> @rikhard: it's hard to find a clue if you have such an unspecific problem: no error messages, no idea what was changed before, no connection to a single application...
[08:54] <Goop2> uh... do I put that in konsole or..... O_o
[08:54] <Zoolie> hi all
[08:54] <Zoolie> is there any way to remove the tab from chatwindow in kopete?
[08:55] <teelittle> @goop2: these things don't touch your harddisk, they just write on the floppy disk. So no danger (if typed correctly)
[08:55] <Goop2> now the only problem is finding a floppy >.<
[08:56] <teelittle> goop2: first check if the grub stage1/2 files are in the positions my commands need them!
[08:56] <mikearthur> what would be the best way of stripping a file extension from a string, in Bash?
[08:57] <jontec_> I need the copy, paste and delete commands for Konsole.
[08:57] <macd> jontec_:  try right clicking.
[08:58] <Zoolie> is there any way to remove the tab from chatwindow in kopete?
[08:58] <jontec_> I mean the actual like copy directory commands... not pasting information into Konsole
[08:58] <jontec_> Let me explain my situation
[08:58] <macd> you need to move files?
[08:58] <jontec_> I'm trying to install the plugin for java in Firefox
[08:58] <brandon_> is amsn in the repos?
[08:59] <jontec_> I have the .so file and I ned to move it, yes.
[08:59] <macd> copy = cp  move = mv delete = rm
[08:59] <jontec_> However, I already have a symbolic link in the folder that I need to copy, and I cannot delete the link to paste the actual file from Konqueror
[08:59] <jontec_> Thanks
[09:00] <macd> remove the symbolic link first.
[09:00] <Goop2> teelittle: it says "The file or folder file:///usr/share/grub does not exist." :(
[09:00] <macd> brandon_: try 'apt-cache search amsn'
[09:00] <teelittle> @goop2: can you search for "grub/i386-pc/stage1"?
[09:01] <brandon_> macd: i'm saying it's not here, but it hought it was in the repos
[09:01] <jontec_> does the symbolic link have a file name?
[09:01] <macd> brandon_: its in universe.
[09:02] <abattoir> !info amsn
[09:02] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.95-1 (dapper), package size 2233 kB, installed size 7852 kB
[09:02] <macd> jontec_: no since its just a link, issue 'rm symboliclink'
[09:02] <macd> just verify your delteing the link itself not the target.
[09:04] <teelittle> @goop2: found it myself - the files might be in /lib/grub/i386-pc
[09:04] <teelittle> @goop2: do you have them there=
[09:04] <Goop2> Ill take a look
[09:04] <jontec_> Okay, the link is in the '/usr/lib/firefox/plugins' directory so the command I write should be "rm /usr/lib/firefox/plugins" but how does it know which symbolic linke?
[09:04] <jontec_> link*
[09:04] <Goop2> although that search didnt find anything :\
[09:05] <Goop2> theres files in that diretory :D
[09:06] <Goop2> or whatever you would call it O_o
[09:06] <teelittle> @goop2: i would say, there is the files needed in that directory, yes. You should be able to make a grub boot disk and go on from there
[09:07] <Goop2> can I use a CDRW instead of a floppy?
[09:07] <macd> jontec_: if you issue 'ls -al' within that directory it will become very clear what you need to download.
[09:07] <teelittle> @jontec: a symbolic link is a type of file, so you delete that file: rm /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/<filename>
[09:07] <macd> delete rather*
[09:08] <brandon_> amsn is supposed to be in universe, but i can't install it
[09:08] <jontec_> gotcha, I got rid of it.
[09:08] <arkygeek> how do i get to the power management for my laptop? I dont see it in the control ceter
[09:08] <teelittle> @goop2: it's different from creating a bootable floppy disk, as far as I know...
[09:08] <jontec_> but now I cannot paste the file I needed through Konqueror, should I use Konsole?
[09:09] <Goop2> teelittle: alright Ill uh... Ill see if I can find a floppy then
[09:09] <unix_infidel> jontec_: its just as easy to do with konsole
[09:10] <teelittle> @goop2: I have hundreds of disks here, but didn't have a floppy drive for the last three years... that was worse!
[09:10] <Goop2> hehe
[09:10] <jontec_> okay, the file is there, thank you!
[09:10] <Goop2> sounds like hell :P
[09:10] <jontec_> I just have to see if java actually runs now that it's there
[09:10] <gatekeeper> arkygeek: have you been into system settings?
[09:11] <macd> brandon_:  do you have the universe repos in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[09:11] <brandon_> macd: yes
[09:11] <Goop2> even if floppies are way outdated, they do come in very hand sometimes :)
[09:11] <gatekeeper> brandon_: you can't have universe enabled
[09:12] <teelittle> does anyone know how I get the complete texinfo manuals? - if I type "info grub-install", I only see the manpage :-(
[09:13] <brandon_> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper universe multiverse
[09:13] <gatekeeper> teelittle: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=grub+manual&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:unofficial
[09:14] <arkygeek> gatekeeper: i dont see system settings - where do i find that?
[09:14] <macd> brandon_: I just tried to install amsn, it is in the repos.
[09:14] <teelittle> thanks! - but there must also be a way to get the texinfo stuff locally. Missing package?
[09:15] <brandon_> macd: well, i went to the site directly and grabbed the package, so it's there
[09:15] <brandon_> not sure what was stopping it
[09:15] <gatekeeper> brandon_: what do you get with apt-cache search amsn?
[09:16] <macd> teelittle: tried installing grub-doc ?
[09:16] <brandon_> gatekeeper: it says it's there
[09:16] <brandon_> so does adept
[09:16] <brandon_> but it wouldn't install it
[09:16] <gatekeeper> arkygeek: press your K button and it is in that menu
[09:17] <gatekeeper> brandon_:  sudo apt-get install amsn
[09:17] <brandon_> gatekeeper: i ain't no rookie
[09:17] <gatekeeper> brandon_: what is the error?
[09:17] <brandon_> no installation candidate
[09:18] <arkygeek> gatekeeper: dont see it sorry
[09:18] <teelittle> @macd: sounds good - i'll check that
[09:18] <macd> brandon_: I assume you ran apt-get update first?
[09:19] <brandon_> macd: sure did
[09:19] <macd> wierd, could be a issue with your combintation of apt repo list.
[09:19] <h3sp4wn> 0.95-1 0 500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Packages - amsn is there
[09:19] <macd> as it works fine for me on dapper.
[09:19] <teelittle> @macd: thanks, that helped!
[09:20] <brandon_> h3sp4wn: actually, 95-2 is there
[09:22] <h3sp4wn> brandon_: That probably means there is a security problem with it you need dapper-security multiverse universe main restricted
[09:22] <brandon_> h3sp4wn: already there
[09:23] <brandon_> i used the source-o-matic site
[09:23] <rikhard> i found out, can't be focus striclty under focus
[09:23] <teelittle> @rikhard: can you explain that?
[09:23] <rikhard> my alt+tab problem
[09:24] <teelittle> I remember - but what's the solution/explanation?
[09:24] <h3sp4wn> brandon_: You are using an unofficial repository then
[09:24] <rikhard> on focus policy, can't be on stricly under mouse foxus
[09:24] <brandon_> h3sp4wn: so what?
[09:25] <rikhard> mouse focus
[09:25] <h3sp4wn> brandon_: So remove them or you can't expect anyone to help you fix it
[09:25] <brandon_> if source-o-matic doesn't work, then ubuntu should stop recommending it
[09:25] <serenity_> my wlan works, but why do i have to discover it everytime when i restarted kubuntu? DHCP is on
[09:25] <brandon_> in thier official wiki
[09:25] <knapper> where is the xmodmap file located?
[09:25] <Goop2-Away> teelittle: I found something, but its too big to fit in my computer =P
[09:25] <knapper> home/user?
[09:26] <teelittle> @goop2: har-har :-))) if you fold it twice, it might fit!
[09:26] <Goop2> hehe
[09:27] <teelittle> @rikhard: so what would I have to do to see the same problem you had? Put the mouse somewhere? Change any settings?
[09:28] <Goop2> it looks like it was invented by the same guy who invented the wheel xD
[09:28] <rikhard> mouse+right+button -> configure window behaviour -> focus -> policy
[09:29] <teelittle> @mikearthur: do you still have that problem (best way of stripping a file extension from a string, in Bash)?
[09:29] <rikhard> than if you choose the wrong one, the menu entry n1 on navigation, turns off
[09:29] <mikearthur> teelittle: got it, thanks
[09:30] <Goop2> teelittle: can I take a game off a floppy and put it on CD without messing it up?
[09:31] <teelittle> @goop2: now we are going the long way to rome ;-) I would make an exact copy using dd
[09:31] <teelittle> @goop2: but that might mess up the copy protection, if any
[09:32] <unix_infidel> these people arent opped.
[09:33] <teelittle> thought it is a way of telling: I address you (message _at_)
[09:33] <talljon84> afternoon all'
[09:33] <teelittle> but seems it's common to just put a colon after the nick?
[09:33] <teelittle> talljon84: good evening *g*
[09:34] <Goop2> @teelittle: I normaly do both :P
[09:34] <talljon84> Does anyone know if it's the kdesdk package that provides the kde header files?
[09:35] <teelittle> rikhard: thanks, I found it and now understand the issue!
[09:36] <teelittle> unix-infidel: so ops are indicated by an @ in front of the nick?
[09:36] <teelittle> goop2: so, what about our floppy for grub now?
[09:37] <unix_infidel> on my client anyway.
[09:37] <unix_infidel> teelittle: what client are you using
[09:37] <unix_infidel> ?
[09:37] <teelittle> Konversation (I'm new to IRC)
[09:37] <Goop2> teelittle: Im not realy sure if it has any protection system.. I think its just a peice of paper with some symbols, but Im not sure
[09:37] <david__> Hallo
[09:37] <unix_infidel> teelittle: try using tab completion.  EG: unix<press-tab>
[09:37] <Goop2> teelittle: Im not sure I wanna risk it :\
[09:38] <unix_infidel> that way it makes it easier for you and the nick gets highlighted on the recipients client.
[09:38] <teelittle> unix_infidel: wow, great tip! Thanx :-)))
[09:38] <unix_infidel> teelittle: just remember there's no tab completion IRL.  Eg: the hot girl at the coffee house who's name you cant remember :P
[09:38] <teelittle> Goop2: then try installing it to the boot sector of the second hd and configure your BIOS to boot from that drive
[09:40] <teelittle> unix_infidel: OK, I'll always note girls' names out of cyber space :)
[09:41] <teelittle> Goop2: oops, forgot that it doesn't do installing to hard drive...
[09:41] <Goop2> teelittle: Im not sure where that is.. hdc maybe? I tried hdb and it didnt do anything
[09:41] <Goop2> oh
[09:41] <teelittle> Goop2: let me think...
[09:42] <rikhard> ok bye and thks
[09:42] <Goop2> I could use a chocolate banana smoothie O_o
[09:42] <blahh> Anyone know how to get glmatrix screen saver?
[09:42] <teelittle> Goop2: you could use grub itself :-)
[09:43] <teelittle> type grub!
[09:43] <unix_infidel> blahh: glmatrix?
[09:43] <Goop2> k3w1 :D
[09:43] <teelittle> Goop2: see? there's the CLI
[09:43] <blahh> it's a screen saver
[09:43] <unix_infidel> blahh: cmatrix not good enough?
[09:43] <blahh> I tried installing rss-glx with screensaver pack, but it's not in it
[09:43] <blahh> cmatrix isn't listed in my xscreensavers
[09:43] <Goop2> teelittle: shweet!!
[09:43] <Goop2> :P
[09:44] <unix_infidel> blahh: of course not...its a command line app.
[09:44] <unix_infidel> its not a screensaver...issue it at cli.
[09:44] <blahh> well I know
[09:44] <blahh> I want a screen saver though
[09:44] <unix_infidel> heh, glmatrix doesnt even have DPMS.
[09:44] <blahh> that looks like glmatrix
[09:44] <blahh> dpms?
[09:44] <unix_infidel> energy saving.
[09:45] <unix_infidel> i like to save the wales and stuff.
[09:45] <teelittle> Goop2: do you have a /boot directory on your linux root drive?
[09:45] <blahh> but it looks better than cmatrix
[09:45] <blahh> bigger letters
[09:45] <unix_infidel> blahh: good.
[09:45] <Goop2> teelittle: I think so
[09:45] <|lostbyte|> Hi ! guys..
[09:45] <blahh> any idea unix_infidel
[09:45] <teelittle> Goop2: check for "stage1/2" files there
[09:45] <unix_infidel> blahh: you're compiling glmatrix?
[09:46] <serenity__> why does my wlan don't connect on startup? DHCP is on
[09:46] <serenity__> why does my wlan don't connect on startup? DHCP is on
[09:46] <blahh> nooo, I want to download the binary. I downloaded rss-glx in hopes it would have that screen saver but it doesn't
[09:46] <Goop2> teelittle: on the Hard Drive? I cant get to that. I dont see that file on the CD either
[09:47] <blahh> in gnome glmatrix is part of xscreen savers kubuntu folk have to dl it
[09:47] <unix_infidel> blahh: what video card do you have?
[09:47] <teelittle> Goop2: then mount it - just to be sure you have a /boot/grub directory
[09:48] <unix_infidel> blahh: are you getting any errors.
[09:48] <teelittle> Goop2: for installation from the grub shell you don't need to have it mounted
[09:48] <Goop2> teelittle: on the CD? I do have that
[09:48] <menno_> hi! is it possible to make a copy of kubuntu to a harddiskpartition and install kubuntu this way on another partition?
[09:48] <blahh> mm what does that hve to do with downloading glmatrix lol sorry im lost
[09:49] <menno_> i can't get Kubuntu to install
[09:50] <menno_> the cd stops soon after the first installation steps
[09:50] <teelittle> Goop2: I would prefer the harddisk, because it has the grub menu configured the right way from the previous installation. So we could use that!
[09:50] <andrea> #unplug
[09:50] <blahh> unix_infidel: haha no, I just want to know where to download glmatrix xscreensaver for kubuntu is all
[09:50] <Goop2> teelittle: I dont know how to get to that :\
[09:50] <nixternal> anyone install screenkast?
[09:51] <teelittle> Goop2: mkdir /mnt/second_hd
[09:51] <nixternal> im having issues with glut dev packages...says i don't have them installed and i do... libglut3-dev
[09:51] <teelittle> Goop2: mount /dev/hbd /mnt/second_hd
[09:51] <nixternal> i actually have installed everything glut while i was at it
[09:51] <teelittle> goop2: ls /mnt/second_hd/boot/grub
[09:52] <teelittle> Goop2: what does it say?
[09:52] <Goop2> teelittle: did you mean hdb?
[09:52] <serenity__> why does my wlan don't connect on startup? DHCP is on
[09:52] <teelittle> Goop2: cat /mnt/second_hd/boot/grub/menu.lst
[09:53] <teelittle> Goop2: sorry, of course it's "hdb"
[09:53] <teelittle> Goop2: do you see what we're doing?
[09:54] <h3sp4wn> serenity__: Are you using network manager or just /etc/network/interfaces ?
[09:54] <larson9999> nixternal: i'm having that problem too.  hope you solve it and tell me how :)
[09:54] <serenity__> to connect i usenetwork manager...but earlier it worked without it
[09:54] <nixternal> heh larson9999..im trying hard to do so
[09:55] <larson9999> nixternal: i've gotten several errors depending on what i tried.  the main one said glutInit is missing please install the dev packaged
[09:56] <serenity__> h3sp4wn: in /etc/network/interfaces wlan0 is set so dhcp
[09:56] <Goop2> teelittle: Im not sure.. and I got stuck on that second line :\
[09:56] <h3sp4wn> serenity__: auto wlan0 (put that in /etc/network/interfaces)
[09:56] <nixternal> larson9999: i have everything dealing with the "glut" packages installed
[09:56] <teelittle> Goop2: error message?
[09:56] <nixternal> so, that isn't the issue..i don't htink it is looking inthe right place..im going to look at the configure file now
[09:56] <serenity__> h3sp4wn: what will do this?
[09:57] <teelittle> unix_infidel: what does an underscore at the end of a nick mean?
[09:57] <larson9999> nixternal: i did one better... installed everything with g in it
[09:57] <serenity__> h3sp4wn: ohhh....auto wlan is in /etc/network/interfaces
[09:57] <larson9999> lol
[09:57] <unix_infidel> teelittle: nothing.
[09:57] <MehAdult> lol
[09:57] <h3sp4wn> serenity__: it should be auto wlan0
[09:57] <nixternal> hahaha
[09:57] <unix_infidel> hey MehAdult
[09:57] <MehAdult> unix_infidel: Sup
[09:57] <h3sp4wn> serenity__: So it starts automatically on boot
[09:57] <Goop2> teelittle: yeah, it cant find it
[09:57] <larson9999> nixternal: what are you trying to install?
[09:58] <serenity__> h3sp4wn: it's auto wlan0, but i don't start on boot
[09:58] <h3sp4wn> serenity__: are you using wpa_supplicant ?
[09:58] <teelittle> Goop2: do you have two hard drives or two partitions on one hard drive?
[09:58] <nixternal> larson9999: EVERYTHING!@!!
[09:58] <h3sp4wn> serenity__: I take it you are bringing it up using ifup wlan0 ?
[09:58] <teelittle> Goop2: any SCSI devices?
[09:58] <serenity__> h3sp4wn: no
[09:59] <nixternal> i have all the denpendcies installed..i just get that stupid glut error
[09:59] <h3sp4wn> serenity__: back in 2 seconds
[09:59] <larson9999> nixternal: oh, i'm trying to install screenkast
[09:59] <nixternal> me too
[09:59] <Goop2> teelittle: Windows has 2 partitions I think, and on a seperate hard drive I have kubuntu
[09:59] <larson9999> lol
[09:59] <Goop2> teelittle: SCSI?
[10:00] <teelittle> Goop2: OK, if you don't know it, you probably don't have it ;-)
[10:00] <larson9999> nixternal: i saw just a couple references to the glutInit error but don't see any resolutions.  i posted to kubuntu forums
[10:00] <Goop2> teelittle: works for me :P
[10:00] <larson9999> nixternal: and on the screenkast site
[10:00] <nixternal> i posted to sourcforge/screenkast page as well
[10:01] <teelittle> Goop2: try mounting /dev/hdc or /dev/hdd ?
[10:01] <Goop2> ok
[10:02] <larson9999> nixternal: are you like me and find this glut thing confusing?  there's GLUT, freeglut, openglut, mesaglut... what's a girl to think?
[10:02] <nixternal> lol
[10:02] <nixternal> openglut, i don't know if itried that one yet 
[10:03] <nixternal> i have the glut, freeglut, libglut (which should be the fix)
[10:03] <larson9999> i've heard that gluttony was bad but never knew what that meant.  now, i know they were talking about glut
[10:03] <Goop2> teelittle:neither work
[10:03] <larson9999> nixternal: i wasn't even going into the libgluts
[10:04] <teelittle> Goop2: I would like to know the output of:
[10:04] <MehAdult> Who here uses amarok?
[10:04] <teelittle> Goop2: mount /dev/hda <press TAB>
[10:04] <MehAdult> It seems to me that it likes to lock up after a few songs.
[10:05] <nixternal> larson9999: the fix is suppsoed to be =>      sudo apt-get install libglut3-dev
[10:05] <larson9999> nixternal: i figured it had to do whit glut.h so i looke that up and found glut.h on the net.  there it had glutInit but the one we have doesn't.  something tells me the reason for that is key to the issue
[10:05] <larson9999> nixternal: yeah, that's what i did first :)
[10:05] <nixternal> actually..it is referring to glutInit
[10:06] <larson9999> nixternal: yeah, the error message is.  but the glut.h we have doesn't have it.
[10:06] <nixternal> ahhh
[10:06] <nixternal> thanks for pointing that out
[10:06] <Goop2> teelittle: hda   hda1  hda2
[10:06] <larson9999> nixternal: just like in real life.  i can point out the faults. just can't fix them
[10:06] <nixternal> hehe
[10:08] <serenity__> h3sp4wn: this is my ezc/network/interfaces http://www.ubuntuusers.de/paste/2243/
[10:08] <slow-motion> re
[10:08] <teelittle> Goop2: dmesg | grep hd | head
[10:08] <teelittle> Goop2: what's the result?
[10:09] <RicardoEduardo> DCC SEND FREENODE-MUST-END-TOR-ACCESS 0 0 0
[10:09] <h3sp4wn> serenity__: Have you 4 network cards ?
[10:09] <teelittle> Goop2: this should give you a clue about what drives you have
[10:09] <serenity__> h3sp4wn: nope, just 2...the orther entries are made by default
[10:09] <Kristophe> hi guys, ok it's not kubuntu specific, but... I know logtool for /var/log/messages, it's great to see logs in color... Do you know somethnig similar for squid / dansguardian logs?
[10:10] <h3sp4wn> serenity__: Are you using wpa or wep or no encryption ?
[10:10] <larson9999> ok, now nixternal and LjL is on the case. well LjL maybe not so much.  anyone else wanna take the 'install screenkast challenge?
[10:10] <serenity__> h3sp4wn: no encryption at all
[10:10] <larson9999> i betcha can't do it.
[10:10] <h3sp4wn> serenity__: iwlist wlan0 scan
[10:10] <Goop2> teelittle: its realy long :\ what part did you want?
[10:10] <h3sp4wn> serenity__: get the ssid
[10:10] <serenity__> h3sp4wn: it is "wlan"
[10:11] <LjL> larson9999: i am more on the "make any single command, including 'cd' or 'ls' or 'whoami', work" ;-(
[10:11] <teelittle> Goop2: can you identify your hard drives? one should be hda (the one holding the win partitions), and can you see clues for the unix drive?
[10:11] <larson9999> LjL: sorry i caused you so much greif
[10:12] <Goop2> teelittle: its hdb, I remember it was a maxtor drive :)
[10:13] <h3sp4wn> serenity__: So everytime you boot you are using iwconfig wlan0 wlan (or some such command first)
[10:13] <teelittle> Goop2: then it must be possi... oh shit, it was my fault! You must mount /dev/hdb0 or /dev/hdb1 instead of just /dev/hdb
[10:13] <serenity__> h3sp4wn: no, i use wireless assisstant
[10:13] <teelittle> Goop2: I made this mistake multiple times in the past *grrr*
[10:13] <larson9999> LjL: are you going to have to reinstall?
[10:13] <Goop2> teelittle: hehe, ok :P
[10:14] <teelittle> Goop2: So, mount you Linux partition and see what the /boot/grub/menu.lst holds - it might be enough to reuse it
[10:14] <LjL> larson9999: i don't know yet, right now i'm pasting my shell history in a query, line by line so that i won't flood out of IRC again. then i'll reboot and see
[10:15] <larson9999> LjL: oh crap
[10:15] <Goop2> teelittle: I still cant get it to work >.<
[10:15] <larson9999> LjL: maybe the screenkast folks can make a screekast of how to install screenkast on kubuntu
[10:16] <h3sp4wn> serenity__: http://pastebin.ca/89595 (change /etc/network/interfaces to look like that - close wireless assistant) sudo ifdown wlan0 && sudo ifup wlan0
[10:16] <david__> Hallo
[10:16] <LjL> larson9999: hehe
[10:16] <david__> Is there a Version of "Python-Central" for Kubuntu?
[10:17] <teelittle> Goop2: what did you try, what did it say?
[10:17] <smygis> :( http://img382.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bildul3.jpg
[10:17] <smygis> lol
[10:17] <Goop2> teelittle: mount /dev/hdb0/mnt/second_hd
[10:18] <smygis> ignore it
[10:18] <smygis> sorry
[10:18] <smygis> wrong channel
[10:18] <Goop2> mount: can't find /dev/hdb0/mnt/second_hd in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[10:18] <smygis> space
[10:19] <teelittle> Goop2: you must separate the two places: /dev/hdb0 and /mnt/second_hd
[10:20] <Goop2> teelittle: oh.. oops
[10:20] <serenity__> it works
[10:21] <serenity__> h3sp4wn: it works...what did these lines
[10:21] <Goop2> teelittle: mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[10:22] <serenity__> h3sp4wn: just specify where to find the wlan?
[10:23] <larson9999> nixternal: i'm putting $5 up from my paypal account to the first person who figures out what we need to do to install this.
[10:23] <nixternal> im one it 
[10:23] <h3sp4wn> serenity__: Just specified the ssid and told it to find the channel automatically - I think gui wifi tools are a waste of time and make the connection more unreliable
[10:23] <Goop2> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[10:23] <Goop2> oopz
[10:23] <gatekeeper> larson9999: just come in what are you trying to install?
[10:23] <teelittle> Goop2: try inserting "-t reiserfs" directly after the "mount" command (no quotes)
[10:24] <serenity__> h3sp4wn: i am just wondering...but some days ago it worked by default
[10:24] <Goop2> teelittle: ok
[10:24] <larson9999> gatekeeper: screenkast-0.1.2
[10:24] <Goop2> teelittle: space?
[10:24] <larson9999> gatekeeper: on dapper
[10:24] <h3sp4wn> serenity__: I don't know anything about the gui wifi stuff
[10:24] <teelittle> Goop2: always!
[10:24] <gatekeeper> ok :-)
[10:24] <serenity__> h3sp4wn: forget it...thank you
[10:24] <Goop2> teelittle: just making sure :)
[10:25] <larson9999> gatekeeper: you up to the task?
[10:25] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: Has it got to be done properly ?
[10:25] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: i.e not with checkinstall
[10:26] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: i'm not sure what you mean by properly.  but if it works and my system isn't too radically installed, it counts in my book.
[10:26] <Goop2> teelittle: special device does not exist
[10:26] <gatekeeper> larson9999: doubt it :-)
[10:27] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: i'm not against checkinstall. although it's got LjL in fits now
[10:28] <noch> has anyone here used the new WINE yet?
[10:28] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: but don't you have to get make to work for checkinstall?  or is that soemthing else i'm thinking of?
[10:28] <teelittle> Goop2: sorry, my fault again: try "hdb1" instead of "hdb0" (grub counts partitions from 0, linux counts from 1)
[10:28] <larson9999> nock is that 9.17?  i have used that
[10:28] <larson9999> noch:  is that 9.17?  i have used that
[10:28] <Goop2> teelittle: alright.. simple mistake :)
[10:29] <Goop2> teelittle: actualy.. you said to try both
[10:29] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: If someone uses checkinstall it may easily break your system
[10:30] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: aha! i'd rather not have someone break my system.  that's my job.
[10:30] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: what the heck does it do that can be so damaging?
[10:31] <Goop2> teelittle: it gave some errors, but its further than Ive gotten so far
[10:31] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: ljl control c'd it when it was running sudo and has got issues
[10:31] <teelittle> Goop2: is it mounted or not?
[10:31] <noch> larson9999: what are the draw backs to 9.17?
[10:31] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: It just means someone has got to work on their system without making sure it cannot damage yours
[10:31] <noch> larson9999: from other versions
[10:31] <Goop2> teelittle: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,
[10:32] <Goop2> teelittle: missing codepage or other error
[10:33] <teelittle> Goop2: sudo fdisk /dev/hdb
[10:33] <teelittle> Goop2: gives you a list of the partitions on your second hard drive
[10:35] <larson9999> noch: so far i haven't found any drawbacks to the new version of wine
[10:36] <Goop2> teelittle: its only complaining that cylinders is set too high
[10:36] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: yeah, if it works on yours that's probably a good test
[10:37] <noch> larson9999: have you played any games on it? and if so, which games?
[10:37] <larson9999> noch: actually, i don't notice anything different.  oh, wait, i think the cd stuff is better now
[10:38] <teelittle> Goop2: parted /dev/hdb
[10:38] <larson9999> noch: i use wine for dvdshrink, wxe, and shockwave sites.  don't really use it for games.
[10:38] <larson9999> noch: my gaming comes from scummvm, mame, oss games that run on linux and some older dos games i play on dosbox or dosemu
[10:39] <noch> larson9999: ok thanks. i think i found what im looking for in the release notes about the direct shaders
[10:39] <Niomi> i have been told the latest windows version of flash will run on IE under WINE
[10:39] <jeekl> I'm having problems with starting hplip. Does someone knowhow to fix this? Output: http://pastebin.ca/89627
[10:39] <noch> thanks
[10:39] <noch> ugh, i wouldnt even consider using IE on windows, let alone wine
[10:39] <larson9999> Niomi: yeah, but it runs better in firefox on my system.
[10:39] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: But other people may have different libraries installed etf
[10:40] <Eeyore> i use wine and it works well
[10:40] <Goop2> teelittle: um..
[10:40] <Niomi> larson9999: are you saying the latest flash will work on firefox under wine?
[10:40] <Goop2> teelittle
[10:40] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: does that mean you can't figure out how to compile it?  or that wouldn't be worth $5?  i was hoping nixternal would add another $5.  maybe he's trying to get my $5
[10:40] <Eeyore> if you have a usb key you can put portable apps on them and carry them with you and it works well in linux or windows
[10:40] <Goop2> teelittle: I dunno what to do here :\
[10:41] <larson9999> Niomi: the absolute latest?  well i installed shockwave and flash last week and they work.  and less choppy that in ie.  via wine not linux ff
[10:41] <teelittle> Goop2: were looking something up. Type "print"
[10:41] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: I can figure how to compile it I think but I am trying to do it properly
[10:41] <Niomi> larson9999: that's great news.. i must try this soon
[10:42] <teelittle> Goop2: does it tell you something interesting about your partitions???
[10:42] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: libinstrudeo - Is that in dapper ?
[10:42] <nixternal> no h3sp4wn
[10:42] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: nope.  takes about 15 packages too :)
[10:42] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: Is it in debian experimental ?
[10:43] <larson9999> nimoi i used winetools to set wine up.  some don't recommend that but doing that gets things to work best for me
[10:43] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: i don't know
[10:43] <larson9999> they are both new packages
[10:43] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: I just think if anyone is going through all this hassle it should be done properly so it can be submitted to edgy
[10:43] <jontec_> Okay, now I decided that I'm going to ask for help on installing java
[10:43] <Goop2> teelittle: it says the labeltype is "msdos", "minor1" is filesystem ext3, next to that it says "flags: boot"
[10:44] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: that's probably right
[10:44] <Eeyore> just use adept to do wine, works for me
[10:44] <Goop2> teelittle: minor5 is filesystem "linux-swap"
[10:44] <larson9999> Niomi: got a site you'reinterested in? i could test before you try
[10:45] <larson9999> Eeyore: yeah.  but i meant setting up some of the packages works better for me using wine-tools.  not actually installing wine
[10:45] <Goop2> teelittle: minor1 is primary type, minor2 is extended, minor5 is logical
[10:45] <Niomi> larson9999: thank you, that is so gracious of you -- i'm interested in viewing www.biteycastle.com
[10:46] <Gacha> hi
[10:46] <Gacha> anybody there?
[10:47] <janderson> some people are here ;)
[10:47] <teelittle> Goop2: OK, I would say your primary partition (no. 1) is your root partition, formatted with "ext3" filesystem. You need to mount that
[10:47] <larson9999> Niomi: anything special on that site.  it looks like it might work in linx for me...unless there's a certain link
[10:48] <Goop2> teelittle: partition1 says something about boot
[10:48] <larson9999> Niomi: oh, nevermind. i see.  trying in wine now
[10:48] <Gacha> I upgraded to new 2.6.15-26-k7 kernel and now I have sound problems, it "echoing"
[10:48] <teelittle> Goop2: then, there is an extended partition (no. 2), which itself is a container for logical partitions (especially no. 5 for swap)
[10:48] <Gacha> everything repeats 10 times
[10:49] <Gacha> maybe someone can help
[10:49] <larson9999> Niomi: the movies do play fine so far with wine + ff
[10:49] <teelittle> i wanna order a pizza - what variation is fresh and fruity?
[10:49] <gatekeeper> larson9999: looks to me like the guy should put *all* the source code in one tar, so people don't have to waste days playing 'hunt the code'
[10:49] <Goop2> hawiian has pineapple O_o
[10:50] <teelittle> Goop2: the flag "boot" means that this is the active partition if BIOS boots from this disk
[10:50] <larson9999> gatekeeper: that doesn't sound like the worst idea in the world
[10:50] <Goop2> teelittle: I would asume thats good?
[10:50] <teelittle> Goop2: yes
[10:50] <teelittle> Goop2: so, the "mount" command was correct, but we have to specify the correct filesystem type: "-t ext3"
[10:50] <Goop2> teelittle: yay :)
[10:50] <larson9999> Niomi: gonna try ie now
[10:50] <Niomi> larson9999: thank you so much! that is really good news
[10:50] <teelittle> Goop2: instead of "-t reiserfs"
[10:50] <jontec_> I like pinapple and ham though, not pineapple by itself
[10:51] <Goop2> thats what hawiian is
[10:51] <Goop2> pineapple and ham
[10:51] <Gacha> anybody?
[10:51] <jontec_> never mind then, I think I missed that line
[10:51] <larson9999> Niomi: oops! looks like my ie installation is broken.
[10:51] <ironfroggy_LT> Is there a way to install without actually running a kde session?
[10:51] <jontec_> I just saw pinapple
[10:51] <farel> hi all
[10:52] <teelittle> Goop2: will you work on our issue?! I am going to bed soon!
[10:52] <teelittle> Goop2: *g*
[10:52] <Barbelos> I'm wondering how to get colour-output in the konsole. Right now all sorts of files and directories are listed in the same colour
[10:52] <ironfroggy_LT> because from the CD, its killing this old box im trying to install it on
[10:52] <larson9999> Niomi: that kinda looks like a fun site
[10:52] <Goop2> teelittle: sorry, I thought you were gonna say something :\
[10:52] <Murfy^> good evening :) what's the easiest way to share your internet connection under dapper?
[10:52] <Niomi> larson9999: it really is, i go out of my way to boot into windows and watch it X3
[10:53] <pussfeller> whats the command to restart the desktop, when I rightclick the desktop itself goes away (konqy)
[10:53] <pussfeller> i still have the panel
[10:53] <larson9999> Niomi: watching littlefoot now
[10:53] <Goop2> teelittle: what did you want me to replace "-t reiserfs" with?
[10:53] <ironfroggy_LT> Do i need to download the "alternative" CD to get a non-GUI install frontend?
[10:53] <teelittle> Goop2: "-t ext3"
[10:54] <Goop2> teelittle: ok
[10:54] <teelittle> Goop2: (no quotes, eh?!)
[10:54] <Goop2> :P
[10:54] <larson9999> wow! $15 got washed in my pants and my wife didn't find it!!! woohoo just like winning the lotto
[10:54] <farel> hey
[10:55] <ShuT-> lol
[10:55] <gatekeeper> Murfy^: depend on what you mean by share, one way of sharing is P2P software
[10:55] <farel> do you know how to get free kubuntu?
[10:55] <RawSewage> Kubuntu is free now?
[10:55] <jontec_> yes
[10:55] <jontec_> I just ordered cds
[10:55] <crimsun> wait, kubuntu isn't free already?
[10:55] <gatekeeper> farel: yes download the iso and install it
[10:55] <larson9999> Niomi: but wondering if our time wouldn't be better spent not viewing flash sites that require a version they won't make for us and writing flash instead
[10:55] <farel> hm.. free it means without ANY pay
[10:55] <Murfy^> never mind gatekeeper, i just found myself a nice howto on http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=91370
[10:56] <Murfy^> thanks anyway :)
[10:56] <Niomi> larson9999: well, flash 9 is coming to linux eventually, according to adobe
[10:56] <Goop2> teelittle: it didnt even show that I did that :(
[10:56] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: so how many packages deep are in to the first package you need to compile?
[10:56] <fred> farel it is free this way too
[10:56] <Goop2> teelittle: its like it totaly ignored it
[10:56] <farel> gatekeeper i have modem f.e I can't download it ;)
[10:56] <jontec_> I need help with java...
[10:56] <gatekeeper> Murfy^: cool :-)
[10:57] <larson9999> Niomi: yeah, but it sounds to me they'll be telling us real soon, we have to wait unitl 10
[10:57] <fred> farel, it can be delivered to your home for free too
[10:57] <fred> !shipit
[10:57] <ubotu> shipit is a service that sends free Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu CDs. See http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ and http://shipit.kubuntu.org and http://shipit.edubuntu.org
[10:57] <fred> farel do shipit
[10:57] <teelittle> Goop2: then it most likely worked!
[10:57] <gatekeeper> farel: ask them to send you an install CD ubuntu are one of the few distros that will do that
[10:57] <larson9999> shipit is one of the main reasons i switched to unbuntu
[10:57] <Goop2> teelittle: oh.. thats good right? :D
[10:57] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: I am at glut
[10:58] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: (just finished that one)
[10:58] <Niomi> larson9999: we have flash 7... adobe hasn't forgotten us completely.. i want to believe !
[10:58] <larson9999> for screenkast?
[10:58] <jontec_> farel, it's really easy, it'll take you less than five minutes to order them, waiting is the hard part.
[10:58] <h3sp4wn> yes
[10:58] <teelittle> farel: but it's faster if you know someone who sends it to you or who can copy or download the CD for you...
[10:58] <fred> larson9999: interesting. why is that ? unable to download the cd ? unable to burn it ?
[10:58] <teelittle> Goop2: mount
[10:58] <gatekeeper> farel: do you specifically want ubuntu or any linux distro?
[10:58] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: Does it depend on loads more that dapper doesn't have ?
[10:58] <teelittle> Goop2: (without options: gives a list of mounted devices)
[10:59] <teelittle> Goop2: there you can see what you've done
[10:59] <Niomi> larson9999: i have been following http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf
[10:59] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: i don't know.  i just know it says you need the glut dev packages and we all think we have them.
[10:59] <farel> so, who really use echotag?
[10:59] <larson9999> fred i didn't follow the question
[11:00] <larson9999> Niomi: yeah but we heard the same thing when 8 came out... we would ge 8.5
[11:00] <Goop2> teelittle: what do I do next?
[11:00] <Niomi> larson9999: did we? :/ i was not following it then.
[11:00] <teelittle> Goop2: the main partition of your second hard disk is now mounted into /mnt/second_hd
[11:00] <fred> larson9999: you said shipit was the main reason for your switching to ubuntu. can you explain why ? you was unable to download the cd ? to burn it ? trying to understand how usefull shipit can be
[11:00] <teelittle> Goop2: there, you can find its content.
[11:00] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: i think that glut is just about it.  there can't be much more that's pretty far down the configure isn't it?
[11:01] <teelittle> Goop2: we were looking for the grub files in boot/grub
[11:01] <teelittle> Goop2: go for them
[11:01] <gatekeeper> fred: very usefull for those that don't have the bandwidth :-)
[11:01] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: writing the rules file is the time consuming bit
[11:02] <h3sp4wn>  larson9999: Have you attempted to do this yourself ?
[11:02] <larson9999> fred: oh.  well, i came from mandriva.  i used it since 97.  i was happy but really like the 'freeness' of deb better.  but i'm the classic definition of ubuntu=couldn't get debian to install.  and when i heard ubuntu was as easy as mandriva plus was free kinda like deb.  plus shipped free cds.  that all added up to a company i'd want to support.  by using and donating to.
[11:03] <Goop2> teelittle: ok Im at /mnt/second_hd/boot/grub
[11:03] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: i attempted to compile it.  not make a package.  i don't konw how to do that.
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: Do you get loads of errors ?
[11:03] <teelittle> Goop2: great! have a look at the menu.lst
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: I.e with the code once its compiling ?
[11:03] <teelittle> Goop2: cat menu.lst
[11:04] <larson9999> fred: and as it turns out, kubuntu is imho as easy as mandriva.  i wouldn't say easier but as easy
[11:04] <Goop2> teelittle: erm.. cat menu?
[11:04] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: i haven't gotten past the configure error of not having the glut dev package installed
[11:04] <fred> larson9999: ok thanks for the info
[11:04] <jontec_> T_T Java is dead on my machine. Either that or it has not been born...
[11:04] <casimir> hey guys.... I've got a question... when I mount a cd into my macbook pro, an icon appears on my desktop and I have right-click-menu entry called "Sicher entfernen" (german) (anything like "remove secure" or so) can you say me, how I can bind this action to a key? (i.e. can you say me which program does this action?)
[11:05] <teelittle> Goop2: it lists the menu items the are displayed in the grub boot screen plus the instructions needed by grub to boot these OSes
[11:05] <Goop2> teelittle: I can see menu.lst, but no cat menu
[11:05] <teelittle> Goop2: type "cat menu.lst"
[11:05] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: Are you on i386 (not amd64)
[11:05] <teelittle> Goop2: cat prints the content of a text file - like "type" in DOS/win
[11:05] <larson9999> fred:  so it didn't have anything to do with not being able to download or anything.  just the idea the company would do that.  speaks of a company that has my insterests at heart.
[11:06] <gatekeeper> larson9999: they in the repos ro do you have to play 'hunt the pacakge' for them?
[11:06] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: yeah.  p3
[11:06] <Goop2> teelittle: I opened it up in kate.. Im not sure what you mean though :\
[11:06] <fred> larson9999: yep got it, the free shipit was more a flag about their attitude toward the users
[11:07] <fred> like a 'we care about everybody and event want to pay for you to be able to use it for free'
[11:07] <larson9999> gatekeeper: the packages for screenkast?  they were all in the repos except screenkast and the backend to it.  up until the point i get the error that is
[11:07] <larson9999> fred: yep
[11:07] <fred> well a slogan should be shorter/easier to read :)
[11:07] <teelittle> Goop2: in the shell, you type commands (like cd, ls, mount...) and one command is "cat"... not so difficult, I think
[11:07] <teelittle> Goop2: but kate is fine too
[11:07] <teelittle> Goop2: what is written in the linux partition of menu.lst
[11:08] <Flosoft> hey
[11:08] <Flosoft> can someone help me with a tip
[11:08] <Flosoft> I am looking for a Webserver that is light and stable
[11:08] <Flosoft> and very fast
[11:08] <Flosoft> it should handle alot of hits
[11:08] <Flosoft> and Downloads should be very fast
[11:08] <larson9999> fred: i was actually going to try debian since i felt reasonable ok i could install it in a mont or so now that i've use linux for years as my main home OS.  but soemone pointed me to look at ubuntu and the shipit sort of tipped the scales.
[11:09] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: Was you going to use debian unstable (its not that unstable)
[11:10] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: from what i read, probably.  that was another thing i like about ubuntu.  the 6 month release thing.
[11:10] <fred> larson9999: personnally i like ubuntu for the 'be nice with eachother' attitude. which may be reworded as 'let drop the bofh attitude'. it is something which is really needed in the opensource world in my opinion.
[11:10] <teelittle> Goop2: what's in there?
[11:10] <Goop2> teelittle: theres alot of "ubuntu" things..
[11:11] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: That package is not even in debian making it more timeconsuming
[11:11] <larson9999> fred: well, that was a good part, too.  but i found mandriva was a friendly community, too.  but recently started seeing some meanness there.
[11:11] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: Than just a straight backport
[11:11] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: what package?
[11:11] <Goop2> teelittle: theres 2 Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-9-386 (recovery mode)
[11:12] <Goop2> and 2 Ubuntu, kernel 2.6.12-9-386
[11:12] <h3sp4wn> libinstrudeo
[11:12] <jontec_> Anyone familiar with java installation for either Firefox or Konqueror? I have blackdown 1.4.2 installed, but it just won't work!
[11:12] <teelittle> Goop2: great! what is the entry under "root" - should be (hd1,0)???
[11:12] <gatekeeper> larson9999: 2 types of glut glutg3 and freeglut3 wouldn't have anything to do with the problem?
[11:12] <Murfy^> jontec_ try automatix
[11:12] <Murfy^> or install sun-java5-plugin
[11:12] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: oh, yes.  that one and screenkast have to be compiled.  but libinst* install fine after apt-getting the million or so packages it needed
[11:13] <Goop2> teelittle: actualy the second 2 have 9s, the first 2 have 10s.. yes, thats what the root is :D
[11:13] <jontec_> I have dial-up the sun-java4 is like... 29-39M
[11:13] <larson9999> gatekeeper: i don't know.  i tried( or think i did) using them separately
[11:13] <larson9999> gatekeeper: but the thought did enter my mind.
[11:13] <teelittle> Goop2: OK, now we know which options we need to install grub on your second HD!
[11:14] <user_> good day
[11:14] <Goop2> :D
[11:14] <casimir> nobody any ideas? :(
[11:14] <gatekeeper> jontec_: sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin
[11:14] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: i wouldn't bother with it but i really like the concept and would like to make some screenkasts
[11:14] <user_> I have a Question, How can I Add ndiswrapper to this Kubuntu installation
[11:14] <gatekeeper> jontec_: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper
[11:15] <Goop2> what now?
[11:15] <teelittle> Goop2: go back to the root shell where you started grub (maybe you have the Konsole window still open?)
[11:15] <Goop2> teelittle: yep, I kept that open :D
[11:15] <teelittle> Goop2: now type:
[11:16] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: Its annoying the archive servers are so slow at the moment
[11:16] <teelittle> Goop2: root (hd1,0)
[11:16] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: aha.  they were fast for me last night
[11:16] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: getting 30k /s at the moment
[11:16] <teelittle> Goop2: find /boot/grub/stage1
[11:16] <Goop2> teelittle:  Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83
[11:17] <jontec_> I don't think that even if I install sun that it will work
[11:17] <gatekeeper> larson9999: is it possible to get the developer to give you a list of dependencies (I didn't see a obvious way of email him) ?
[11:17] <jontec_> because blackdown was recommended as the one that was supposed to work the best?
[11:17] <Goop2> teelittle: (hd1,0)
[11:17] <gatekeeper> jontec_: I don't think that is the case
[11:17] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: it seems a little odd to me though that i don't see any posts with resolutions to this glutInit problem.  rarely do i have an issue that i can't find someone with the exact same problem and a posted resolution.
[11:18] <teelittle> Goop2: setup (hd1)
[11:18] <jennifer71> i need to get my wireless card working, I think its recognised as eth1 right now, but it will not activate, It keeps dropping back to Deactivated in the settings, SO I was going to try ndiswrapper, but i dont know how to install it
[11:18] <jontec_> okay, is it just that package that I need? adept tells me that there are more?
[11:18] <larson9999> gatekeeper: i didn't either.  htere is the sourceforge forum.  maybe a couple nice posts asking the kinds of things that would make it nicer for us would help.
[11:19] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: I am getting 18k/s :/
[11:19] <Goop2> teelittle: w00000t!! It seems to have worked :D :D
[11:20] <larson9999> gatekeeper: when i was about halfway through the first configure i thought.  maybe i should make a list.  then i said well i'm almost done so why bother.  i didn't know i wasn't almost done.  and then again.  i would have likely had some of the depencies installed befor i started
[11:21] <Goop2> teelittle: is it installed now?
[11:21] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: that's slow.  cna you switch servers for the repositories in ubuntu like you cna in mandriva?  if i got a slow one ther, i just used different ones.
[11:21] <teelittle> Goop2: i hope so. You need to configure your BIOS to boot from the second hard disk, and then it should work!
[11:21] <teelittle> Goop2: You owe me a pizza *g*
[11:21] <teelittle> Goop2: (if it works)
[11:22] <Goop2> teelittle: ok Ill email you one ;)
[11:22] <jontec_> there is no way that I can download 29M. Is there absolutely no way to use blackdown?
[11:22] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: I did switch servers (just as slow)
[11:22] <teelittle> Goop2: for now, I have a salad, because it's 23.00 and still 26C - too hot for pizza
[11:22] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: :)
[11:22] <Goop2> hehe
[11:23] <teelittle> Goop2: good luck!
[11:23] <larson9999> it's 97 here.  i think we're going to the beach.
[11:23] <teelittle> Goop2: I'm going to enjoy my salad, then a beer, and go to bed :-)
[11:23] <Goop2> teelittle: alright, Ill figure out how to edit the BIOS
[11:23] <Goop2> :P
[11:24] <teelittle> Goop2: most BIOSes let you change setting when you hold <DEL> during boot
[11:24] <TheHighChild> Anyone know of a way to get the virtual desktop switching with Xorg? similar to that of xgl+compiz?
[11:24] <Goop2> teelittle: ok Ill try that
[11:24] <teelittle> Goop2: go for it!
[11:24] <teelittle> Goop2: bye
[11:24] <larson9999> my wife is unemployed (masters cis) and can't get a job mostly due to no job history and poor english(my opinion)  i'm trying to get her to delve into an OSS project to build up a portfolio if you will.  but she doesn't think that will be helpful :(
[11:24] <TheHighChild> I have Xgl working and compiz but It's not suitable as an Xorg replacement for me, I just want the desktop switching feature
[11:25] <Goop2> teelittle: byez :)
[11:25] <gatekeeper> larson9999: As I see it, it is up to the developer to try and make peoples life easy, I must confess I don't have the patience to play 'hunt the package' I get about 10% in then think screw this, and try to find another way around whatever problem I am trying to solve. What is the point of providing 10 - 20% of the source code if you then have to go hunting for all the rest of it
[11:25] <jennifer71> any suggestions on me getting my wireless card to work?
[11:25] <fred> q. how dangerous it is to attemps a xgl install ? dangerous as in 'being unable to use X if i do seomthing wrong' ?
[11:25] <fred> larson9999: cis= ?
[11:26] <TheHighChild> fred: As long as you backup your files that you change, you can revert back and be fine.
[11:26] <gatekeeper> larson9999: wounder if you would get there any quicker with Gentoo :-)
[11:26] <larson9999> gatekeeper: well, i'm thinking that might be due a little to the fact that it's a 0.1.2 version.  i prefer to give the developers the benefit of the doubt until they react to people's suggestions in a negative manner.
[11:26] <TheHighChild> fred Computer Information Systems
[11:26] <nic0> Yep?
[11:26] <nic0> Is there anybody out here?
[11:27] <nic0> Is there any French / Swiss here?
[11:27] <nic0> Canadian...?
[11:27] <larson9999> lol@gatekeeper the build might be quicker.  but my suspicion is the issue here is due to ubuntu being set up differently than the builders system.  like a deb vs rpm system thingie.
[11:27] <fred> larson9999: well i agree with you that if you have no job hitory, to provide a viewable result of what you can do, like with oss, it is a definitive advantage
[11:28] <fred> nic0: yep, if it is to talk french, there is a #kubuntu-fr
[11:28] <jontec_> computer information systems, I believe
[11:28] <larson9999> fred: computer information services?  i think those are the letters she tells me.  i only have a ged so i'm not sure.
[11:28] <fred> am i like ultimatly lagged ? :)
[11:28] <larson9999> fred: well i figure if she's like me, when she learns something and doesn't use it for a while it's almost as if she didn't learn it at all.
[11:29] <jontec_> I got lag too, I'm still on it I think
[11:29] <larson9999> fred: i was da bomb in power builder.  until i couldn't get a job doing it for a year  :)
[11:29] <larson9999> gatekeeper does tha mean you are trying to install it?
[11:30] <fred> larson9999: yep, pracice is good. and a showcase is good too. a sucessfull oss stuff is real good
[11:30] <fred> larson9999: imagine looking for a job and you come and say 'ok i got 5millions users for my software'
[11:30] <larson9999> fred: she says she doesn't think she wants to code.  i tried giving the argument that there is just about room for any occupation in the oss world.
[11:30] <fred> larson9999: definitvely better than 'ok here is my paper for my diploma'
[11:30] <gatekeeper> larson9999: sorry no :-(, I was just doing a bit of digging around
[11:31] <larson9999> gatekeeper: was just curious
[11:31] <gatekeeper> larson9999: np :-)
[11:31] <larson9999> fred: yeah with all the tools on the web, it's easy enough to show what you can do if you've the will
[11:31] <larson9999> and for free
[11:32] <fred> larson9999: hmm isnt she just lazy ? :)
[11:32] <larson9999> fred: lol.  i'll run hat argument by her and see how fast she throws the supper can opener at me
[11:32] <fred> larson9999: hehe :)
[11:33] <larson9999> fred: i told her that's how i got my job.  heck i only have a ged and i've been a semi respectible IT guy for 12 years now
[11:34] <larson9999> well i did take some college but i lost my paperwork and am too lazy to get it so i don't usually put that on a resume
[11:35] <Old_Fred> I used to be respectable, but it became more trouble than it was worth!
[11:36] <larson9999> Old_Fred: lol
[11:36] <jennifer71> is there a specific process to get help here?
[11:37] <larson9999> back then all i had to do was show my bosses how to create jcl that didn't need to be modified from test to system test to prod.  it might be harder now :)
[11:37] <jennifer71> or just ask and hope!!
[11:37] <gatekeeper> just ask and hope :-)
[11:37] <jennifer71> Ugh
[11:37] <gatekeeper> what is the problem?
[11:37] <jennifer71> well, i've asked twice, i dont want to seem the pain in the Ass
[11:37] <jennifer71> My Wireless Card wont activate
[11:38] <jennifer71> Its recognised as eth1, (which i think is wrong)
[11:38] <jennifer71> it should be wlan0
[11:38] <jennifer71> but aside from that, I was going to try to get it working through ndiswraper, but i havent a clue how to get that
[11:38] <larson9999> so gatekeeper what do you think of the captorial idea since you've looked a bit at it?  is there really nothing like it as the site claims?  and do you thinkg the concept is good and be useful or will it result in a bunch of crappy things you have to wade through to find the good ones like you do now.  maybe it should have a digg type rating system for the specific kind of help offered
[11:39] <jennifer71> I am willing to try myself, and let you people work on more serious troubles, i just need someplace to start from
[11:39] <larson9999> jennifer71: having a nick that makes it sound like you're female can't hurt when it comes to getting help on irc
[11:39] <larson9999> :)
[11:39] <gatekeeper> jennifer71: I am not using wireless with linux so not really in a position to help you, does it not have native linux drivers?
[11:40] <jennifer71> gatekeeper: As i said, its recognised as eth1, but I doubt that it has native drivers, no other linux ever worked with it
[11:40] <larson9999> jennifer71: and 25 to boot
[11:40] <goop2> teelittle: it didnt work :(
[11:40] <larson9999> jennifer71: oops 35.  my math sucks
[11:40] <gatekeeper> larson9999: sounds good to me :-)
[11:41] <larson9999> gatekeeper: jennifer71 or captorial.com?
[11:41] <LjL-Windows> larson9999: have you succeeded installing the thing?
[11:42] <gatekeeper> jennifer71: the problem here is that you are trying to get two things right at the same time, rather than a step by step approach
[11:42] <LjL-Windows> larson9999: if you haven't, don't. i think there might be something strange in its makefile
[11:42] <larson9999> LjL-Windows: lol.  nope.  but i have help now.  got nixternal who came here with the same issue.  and h3sp4wn is giving it a go but the servers are slow
[11:42] <fred> larson9999: screencasting is a very powerfull tool. it shows stuff to people. a lot more convincing that a text. in my opinion it is way underused by the opensource community
[11:42] <larson9999> LjL-Windows: i don't doubt that but maybe we can figure out what and fix it?  'we' meaning soemone who wants my $5
[11:42] <LjL-Windows> larson9999: i've fixed my own problem. a "chmod a+r /" from singleuser mode fixed it. the problem is that, judging from the logs, it was either that Makefile (or checkinstall itself) which changed the permissions
[11:43] <ubuntu> hey
[11:43] <LjL-Windows> larson9999: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18179 (part of my syslog)
[11:43] <larson9999> fred: well captorial.com says it's the first oss version
[11:43] <fred> imagine all the tutorial you can do with screencast
[11:43] <LjL-Windows> larson9999: see Jul 16 18:00:27 localhost tar: 0^Ichown^I/^I0^I0^I#success
[11:43] <larson9999> LjL-Windows: aha
[11:43] <fred> larson9999: well they lie abotu that :)
[11:43] <ubuntu> Can  someone  tell me how to install grub to the mbr from the command line?
[11:44] <fred> larson9999: some other version existed before but crappy one
[11:44] <jennifer71> ok, what step should i be working on
[11:44] <larson9999> fred well they they're the first oss helpdesk that's totally free.
[11:44] <jennifer71> I would think removing this Invalid eth1, and just go with ndiswrapper
[11:45] <jennifer71> So my issue is, how can I install ndis to this installation of Jubuntu
[11:45] <fred> larson9999: helpdesk=?
[11:45] <jennifer71> sorry , ndiswrapper
[11:45] <gatekeeper> larson9999: captorial.com is an excellent idea, google to some extent are already doing this with some of their linux HowTo video's anything that makes it easier for users to understand the system has got to be good!!
[11:46] <ubuntu> Can anyone tell me? I need  to know what grub calls the mbr on hda
[11:46] <larson9999> LjL-Windows: that's ugly.
[11:47] <Philip5> hehe
[11:47] <Old_Fred> not really much support help here today is there!?
[11:47] <jennifer71> Old_Fred: You noticed that too?
[11:48] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: I am using cdbs (which I have never used before) to try and get it done faster
[11:48] <DarkAudit> any word on the CVE-2006-3626 kernel vulnerability?
[11:48] <larson9999> LjL-Windows: something like that happened to the drive i share with windows a while back.  it was a fat32 and the windows check fixed it.  i changed it to ext3 after thatn
[11:48] <larson9999> fred: yeah, they say that's the goal to be a massive free helpdesk
[11:48] <jim__> hello i am trying to install vlc media player can someone help me
[11:49] <larson9999> Old_Fred: yeah, it is new
[11:49] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: did you catch LjL-Windows's post about the makefile maybe being dorked up?
[11:49] <Old_Fred> Jim... On what version ?
[11:49] <jim__> hello i am new to linux and I am trying to install vlc media player can someone help me with this
[11:49] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: that's the screenkast one.  not the lib* one
[11:49] <jim__> ubuntu
[11:50] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: Oh screenkast is less compilcated than lib*
[11:50] <Old_Fred> breezy? Dapp[er?
[11:50] <jim__> yes dapper
[11:50] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: well, i think maybe similar.  you get the error after about 5 or dep pacakges in screenkast.
[11:51] <Old_Fred> Have you tried the automatic installer? adept or something like that.
[11:51] <JRH3K5> Aren't there any VLC packages?
[11:51] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: the only thing is i didn't error on the lib* so it seems less complicated :)
[11:51] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: libinstrudeo-dev depends on libinstrudeobroken (my libsrudeo package is broken)
[11:51] <jim__> i have tried to the automatic package and it says it is not there
[11:51] <LjL-Windows> larson9999: a *quick* look at the makefile shows there is only one "chmod" command in it, which does not remove permissions from /. so it feels more like checkinstall was the culprit. but blah
[11:51] <Old_Fred> youn need to activate the unsupported repositories
[11:52] <gatekeeper> jennifer71: yes I would try to find a solution eth1 problem. If you are getting nowhere with your question here you could try the ubuntu forums, personally speaking, I would probable be tempted to go and spend 20 - 25 on a nice wireless card that had linux drivers, (but that's me)
[11:52] <JRH3K5> ^^ http://www.ubuntuguide.org/wiki/
[11:52] <jim__> i did activate the unsupported repositories
[11:52] <larson9999> h3sp4wn: aha so you're making packages?  cool
[11:52] <Old_Fred> how many packages do you have showing as availiable?
[11:52] <gatekeeper> oops she'e gone
[11:52] <LjL-Windows> jim__: run "sudo apt-get update"
[11:53] <larson9999> yeah there are vlc packages
[11:53] <JRH3K5> And then apt-cache search vlc
[11:53] <Old_Fred> make sure you have the universal resporties activated
[11:53] <jim__> it comes up command not found
[11:54] <larson9999> yeah, anytime i buy hw these days i look for supported stuff.  acutally, im' turning down non supported stuff that's given to me :)
[11:54] <JRH3K5> ...apt-get isn't a command?
[11:54] <JRH3K5> o_O
[11:54] <fred> jim__: do 'sudo apt-cache search vlc'
[11:54] <fred> jim__: the command not found come from the fact you need to be roo
[11:54] <fred> t
[11:54] <fred> i think
[11:54] <larson9999> my wife is telling me it's time to hit the beach
[11:55] <fred> ok am off see ya
[11:55] <omeow> Why don't you guys tell him to use adept for installing software? Why immediately jump to the terminal?
[11:55] <jim__> when i ran sudo apt cache search vlc a whole bunch of code came up now waht
[11:55] <larson9999> omeow: well, the terminal is faster for one.
[11:55] <sdlnxgk> was just at the beach in San Diego and it was really nice :)
[11:56] <Old_Fred> very good point... you are going to get confused mixing both methods
[11:56] <h3sp4wn> LjL-Windows: checkinstall will always be the culprit
[11:56] <JRH3K5> Look for a package that's probably named just "vlc"
[11:56] <omeow> Yes, but he's a new user who obviously doesn't quite know how to use a terminal, let alone apt-get, etc.
[11:56] <larson9999> omeow: but i think adept is easier to add packages.
[11:56] <LjL-Windows> jim__: what if you just type "sudo aptitude install vlc"
[11:56] <JRH3K5> That should work
[11:56] <JRH3K5> "sudo apt-get install vlc"
[11:57] <JRH3K5> Though, what's wrong with Xine?
[11:57] <h3sp4wn> larson9999: #kubuntu-devel maybe able to help me actually
[11:57] <omeow> jim__, here's the trick; click the k-menu, then select Add/Remove software. Enter your password and type vlc in the search input field.
[11:57] <larson9999> omeow: that's a question i always struggle with.  i hate to see linux users afraid of the cli.  at the same time i don't like long time users who think you have to do EVERYTHING at the cli.
[11:57] <omeow> Then select the dropbox next to it and set it to "any suite" hen check "unsupported" and vlc comes up.
[11:57] <jim__> i am using gnome how do i get to kde
[11:58] <Old_Fred> guys, jim's problem swwms to be that he doesn't have the repositories activated... it is there I installed vlc thru adept myself
[11:58] <larson9999> omeow: i think one reason is too, that there are different guis.  with the cli, it's the same for all.
[11:58] <DarkAudit> CVE-2006-3626 is the h00lyshit exploit... any word on if the current 2.6.16-26 kernel is safe or not?
[11:58] <LjL> omeow: and *that's* easier than "sudo aptitude install vlc"? :D
[11:58] <omeow> jim__, oh I didn't know you were using gnome. Can't help you much then, there's a graphical client for apt-get there too. Synaptics?
[11:59] <omeow> LjL, yes, because it doesn't spill out all kinds of cryptic error messages.
[11:59] <jim__> so how do i install or use kde
[11:59] <JRH3K5> jim__: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_dapper#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[11:59] <JRH3K5> Are you using those repositories?
[11:59] <larson9999> omeow: there you go.  we'd be telling him how to use adept.  he doesnt' have it  :)
[11:59] <LjL> err, i've seen adept spilling out error messages that are much *more* cryptic
[11:59] <omeow> jim__, you would need to install kubuntu-desktop I believe.
[11:59] <Old_Fred> synaptics is almost the same as adept
[11:59] <larson9999> omeow: but plenty of us know both.
[11:59] <jim__> thank you will do
[11:59] <LjL> Synaptic
[12:00] <LjL> and, well, Synaptic is quite different from Adept really
[12:00] <larson9999> Old_Fred: adding the repositories was different.  and i think that a different looking gui can be harder for a newbie that a consistant cli.  but that's just me.
[12:00] <omeow> Can't say, never used it.
[12:00] <Old_Fred> point taken...  :-)
[12:01] <larson9999> actually, when i'm helping people transition, i have them go through a couple chapters in a cli unix book first.  i think time spent will help much.
[12:06] <Old_Fred> speaking of repositories, how can I get the kubuntu packages to show up in adept? the new  amorok, etc.
[12:06] <larson9999> Old_Fred: you mean update the repositories?
[12:07] <gatekeeper> larson9999: doesn't seem to be any sound with these ScreenKasts, don't know if there is supposed to be, and the idea of using a piece of software that is in early development seems to be a little flawed
[12:07] <Old_Fred> yes.... kubuntu.org/packages