[12:15] <nixternal> [Tue Jul 11 2006]  [12:59:41]  <nixternal>	mdz and mgalvin, if you need help with it, i can lend a hand today after the cc meeting
[12:15] <nixternal> it was mdz
[12:15] <Riddell> guess that didn't happen :)
[12:16] <nixternal> heh...is there a lot that still needs to get completed?
[12:16] <nixternal> or is it ready for release?
[12:19] <Riddell> I'm just about to release it
[12:19] <nixternal> cool
[12:19] <nixternal> when your done, and need me to update wiki at all..let me know
[12:19] <Riddell> update with what?
[12:19] <nixternal> i can get #7 started when you are done
[12:19] <Riddell> groovy
[12:19] <nixternal> hehe
[12:20] <nixternal> well, move #6 up the the current position, and put #7 into the "next issue" position..thats what i meant there ;0
[12:25] <Riddell> nixternal: ok sent, please clean up the wiki
[12:25] <nixternal> thanks for releasing it !!!
[12:47] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter       page updated
[12:47] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue7    created
[01:26] <Burgundavia> nixternal: you around?
[01:29] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: do you have a couple minutes to look at a wiki page for me?
[01:29] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: yep
[01:30] <LaserJock> wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[01:30] <LaserJock> we've been adding some stuff
[01:30] <LaserJock> and I'd like your overall opinion  on structure/organization
[01:30] <LaserJock> it seems like it could use some help to me
[01:31] <Burgundavia> it can 
[01:31] <Burgundavia> first impression: too much bold
[01:31] <Burgundavia> however, you do clearly state what motu is
[01:31] <Burgundavia> the list of useful links needs to be subdivided
[01:31] <Burgundavia> maybe break out the "how do I become a motu" section
[01:32] <nixternal> ya Burgundavia
[01:32] <Burgundavia> nixternal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NvNetInstallationHowTo
[01:32] <nixternal> heh, my brother called and says his "Windows" computer is broken 
[01:32] <Burgundavia> nixternal: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/openChrome
[01:32] <nixternal> go go go..keep going 
[01:33] <Burgundavia> nixternal: did you tell him you have this great fix?
[01:33] <nixternal> haha ya
[01:33] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: so maybe less bold and more use of sectioning?
[01:34] <Burgundavia> yes
[01:34] <LaserJock> what about a TOC?
[01:34] <Burgundavia> maybe talk about about the lifecycle of a package, and organize links around that
[01:35] <LaserJock> interesting idea
[01:36] <LaserJock> right now CategoryMOTU has 109 pages
[01:36] <LaserJock> I'd like to condense that down a bit
[01:37] <nixternal> jeesh
[01:37] <nixternal> i was going to make a motu joke, but decided against, it, as i need help from some of them 
[01:38] <LaserJock> ah, go ahead, we're good sports ;-)
[01:45] <nixternal> done deal Burgundavia
[01:46] <Burgundavia> nixternal: thanks
[01:46] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: you can't move pages?
[01:46] <nixternal> Burgundavia is way to busy to move them 
[01:46] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: too lazy
[01:46] <nixternal> lol
[01:46] <nixternal> he can find them though 
[01:47] <Burgundavia> I am currently researching why my potato plants have little holes in the leaves
[01:47] <nixternal> type of potato?
[01:49] <nixternal> the little holes could be caused by aphids
[01:49] <nixternal> as the leafhopper which is common to the tator plants usually causing curling of the leaves or yellow spots
[01:50] <LaserJock> so it seems he's useful for more than just moving wiki pages
[01:50] <nixternal> also, fleabeetles can create holes that looks like you shot the leaf with a shotgun
[01:50] <nixternal> i told you LaserJock that i did some environmental science classes within the past year or 2
[01:50] <nixternal> horticulture was some too
[01:51] <LaserJock> cool
[01:51] <nixternal> i got certified in the state of illinois to apply pesticides 
[01:51] <nixternal> hahaha
[01:51] <LaserJock> I avoided the biology end
[01:51] <LaserJock> I like the chemistry/physics
[01:51] <nixternal> biology was fun
[01:51] <nixternal> heh, and i hated chem/phys
[01:51] <nixternal> i shouldn't say hate, but it wasn't my cup of tea
[01:52] <Burgundavia> looks like the holes are colorado potato beetle
[01:52] <Burgundavia> http://www.drmcbug.com/images/pests/Colorado%20Potato%20Beetle/CPB-HarmBIG.jpg
[01:52] <LaserJock> nixternal: well, people seem to usually love it or hate it
[01:52] <Burgundavia> leaves looks like this
[01:52] <nixternal> can you see white dust looking stuff on the leaves?
[01:52] <Burgundavia> no
[01:52] <nixternal> also, most beetles leave "poop" behind
[01:52] <crimsun> I liked 'em both so much I decided to stay in school a year more
[01:52] <Burgundavia> and there is nothing on the underside of any of the leaves
[01:52] <LaserJock> crimsun: hehe
[01:53] <nixternal> haha
[01:53] <LaserJock> yeah
[01:53] <nixternal> i can give you the email of a professor that is a freakin' genius with this stuff..although he doesn't respond to mine at all 
[01:53] <LaserJock> we should have a horticultural encyclopedia package
[01:54] <Burgundavia> sweet, gardeningforgeeks is available
[01:54] <Burgundavia> .com,.ca and .org, that is
[01:54] <nixternal> gahaha
[01:54] <nixternal> lets do it
[01:54] <nixternal> as i have a fairly large pepper patch
[01:55] <nixternal> when the mowers come through though, they tend to rob them blind
[01:55] <LaserJock> we grow some nice sage brush here in NV ;-)
[01:55] <nixternal> hehe
[01:57] <Burgundavia> hmm, it appears I am stumped on this pest
[01:57] <Burgundavia> there are just large holes in the leaves, but the undersides of the leaves are clear
[01:57] <Burgundavia> something has been eating them
[01:57] <nixternal> whoa
[01:57] <nixternal> they are clear in color?
[01:57] <nixternal> like the chlorophyll is gone?
[01:57] <Burgundavia> no, just eaten
[01:58] <Burgundavia> by clear, I mean there is no debris, eggs or anything similar
[01:58] <nixternal> that isn't white flies then
[01:58] <nixternal> it could be aphids or spider mites
[01:58] <Burgundavia> wouldn't I see aphids? I didn't see any
[01:58] <nixternal> both are very very hard to see with the eye
[01:59] <nixternal> ya...actually aphids would be easier to see then a spider mite
[01:59] <nixternal> thrips are good for green leaf distruction as well
[02:00] <Burgundavia> nope, that isn't it
[02:00] <Burgundavia> it most resembles colorado potato beetle, but I didn't see any egg layings
[02:01] <nixternal> heh, you are reading good info if you looked for eggs..also look for poop...that will infer some sort of beetle or worm as well
[02:01] <nixternal> none of the leaves have curled over have they?
[02:01] <Burgundavia> nope, not that
[02:01] <Burgundavia> the internet is a wonderful place to learn about these things, because you can look for images
[02:02] <nixternal> hehe ya
[02:02] <Burgundavia> it very clearly resembles this Search
[02:02] <Burgundavia> http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=1561
[02:02] <Burgundavia> or not
[02:02] <Burgundavia> http://www.drmcbug.com/images/pests/Colorado%20Potato%20Beetle/CPB-HarmBIG.jpg
[02:02] <Burgundavia> that
[02:02] <nixternal> lol
[02:03] <Burgundavia> http://www.drmcbug.com/images/pests/Colorado%20Potato%20Beetle/BH03May01CPBeggsBIG.jpg <-- but I not seeing this
[02:03] <Burgundavia> or this http://www.drmcbug.com/images/pests/Colorado%20Potato%20Beetle/BH-CPBegg5_26_01.jpg
[02:08] <Burgundavia> hey Madpilot
[02:08] <Madpilot> hi
[02:09] <LaserJock> hi Madpilot 
[02:16] <nixternal> Burgundavia: http://www.attra.org/images/coloradopotato/cpb_beetles.jpg
[02:16] <nixternal> 
[02:16] <Burgundavia> trust you to find the one of the beetle having sex
[02:16] <nixternal> rofl
[02:16] <Burgundavia> no, haven't seen any of them
[02:17] <nixternal> everything on those beetles make it sound like they feed on the terminal portions..how ever the larvae eat everything
[02:17] <nixternal> the reason you may not see the eggs, is because the issue is past that stage
[02:18] <nixternal> there might actually be larvae doing the damage now
[02:18] <nixternal> but then again..it may not be an insect that is paticular to potatoes as well
[02:19] <nixternal> so that would be anything like grasshoppers, caterpillars, beetles, grubs, and bugs of that nature
[02:20] <Burgundavia> yep
[02:20] <Burgundavia> ok, this ted stevens "tube" thingy is pretty fun
[02:20] <nixternal> lol
[02:20] <nixternal> guess
[02:21] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: I was talking about my potatoes and the bug that appears to be eating the leaves
[02:21] <Madpilot> ah
[02:21] <Madpilot> you're becoming terribly domesticated, Burgundavia 
[02:21] <Madpilot> unless you're going to be home-distilling vodka out of those potatoes, of course!
[02:21] <Burgundavia> one cannot be domesticated and be single
[02:22] <Burgundavia> bah, vodka
[02:22] <mpt> mmmmmm, bugs
[02:23] <nixternal> mmmm, tequila
[02:23] <nixternal> cabo wabo tequila
[02:24] <Burgundavia> not warm enough to agave here
[02:24] <nixternal> thats why i am moving to mexico
[02:24] <nixternal> cabo here i come 
[02:25] <nixternal> or aranjas where all the agave fields are
[02:26] <Burgundavia> http://frem.wordpress.com/files/2006/07/internet.JPG
[02:26] <LaserJock> uggh, I want to move somewhere cooler
[02:26] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: lol
[02:27] <Burgundavia> cooler as in lower temp or cooler as in less sucky?
[02:27] <LaserJock> both
[02:28] <Burgundavia> ok, there are some good pithy comments in rebuttal to this whole ted stevens debate
[02:28] <LaserJock> perhaps somewhere in Colorado
[02:28] <LaserJock> ted stevens?
[02:28] <Burgundavia> senator from alaska
[02:28] <Burgundavia> his grand daughter bought him an ipod and he had a change of heart about fair use
[02:29] <LaserJock> ha
[02:29] <Burgundavia> http://www.zefrank.com/bulletin/showthread.php?t=9695 <-- read the last two comments
[02:29] <crimsun> oh man, I remember that
[02:29] <crimsun> TUBES
[02:29] <crimsun> it's all tubes for your personal internets
[02:31] <LaserJock> jeeze, you'd think his aides would keep him from sounding so dumb
[02:31] <LaserJock> that's why they pay them the big bucks
[02:32] <Burgundavia> bah, term limits
[02:32] <Burgundavia> we need term limits
[02:32] <Burgundavia> no more than 8 years
[02:32] <mpt> Push them through the tubes faster?
[02:33] <Burgundavia> heh
[02:33] <mpt> That wouldn't change their composition...
[02:33] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: +1
[02:33] <Burgundavia> if you make them stay out of off for at least 8 years, we might have new blood
[02:34] <mpt> ...just their age
[02:34] <mpt> Exhibit A: the POTUS
[02:34] <mpt> aaaaaanyway
[02:34] <Burgundavia> POTUS is a vagarity
[02:34] <Burgundavia> a blip
[02:39] <LaserJock> I think the presidency is a bit different than the legislature, I can't really imagine a President being able to stay in office more than probably 4 terms
[02:39] <LaserJock> but in the legislator you could do like 60 years
[02:40] <LaserJock> that seems a bit long IMO
[02:40] <Burgundavia> whats his name, the crazy 100 year old senator, thurman or something
[02:40] <Burgundavia> he was in office 60 years
[02:40] <LaserJock> yep
[02:40] <mpt> Strom Thurmond
[02:40] <nixternal> ol' strom
[02:40] <nixternal> ya
[02:40] <nixternal> hehe
[02:41] <mpt> Burgundavia, have you come across a bugtracker for Gramps?
[02:41] <mpt> (the program, I mean, not the senator)
[02:41] <LaserJock> :-)
[02:41] <mpt> I don't see one linked from the Web site
[02:42] <Burgundavia> gramps appears to use sourceforge
[02:43] <Burgundavia> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?atid=385137&group_id=25770&func=browse
[02:44] <Burgundavia> ok, more random stupidity http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/07/14/911.misuse.ap/index.html
[02:45] <mpt> thanks Burgundavia 
[02:45] <Burgundavia> no worries
[02:46] <mpt> This will give me an excuse to remind myself how Sourceforge's bugtracker's UI works
[02:47] <mpt> Burgundavia, I work on Launchpad
[02:47] <crimsun> he's a glutton for punishment!
[02:48] <crimsun> let's throw bugzilla back into the mix, shall we?
[02:48] <Burgundavia> "I would rather have my fingers gnawed by rabid chimpmunks than use Launchpad some days"
[02:48] <mpt> *sigh*
[02:48] <mpt> Bugzilla has abused developers into being accustomed to horrid bugtrackers
[02:48] <crimsun> quite unfortunately
[02:49] <Burgundavia> gnome bugzilla has a few nice features
[02:49] <LaserJock> hmm, I've never used bugzilla
[02:49] <Burgundavia> bkor said he has been getting lost of pushback on getting those changes into upstream bugzilla
[02:49] <LaserJock> oh I did file a bug once on gnome's bugzilla
[02:49] <mpt> Burgundavia, really? b.g.o is relatively brilliant
[02:50] <Burgundavia> mpt: no idea why. There was a great deal of sighing when we learned of that
[02:50] <Burgundavia> mozilla as a whole seems to be very hostile to new ideas and people
[02:50] <crimsun> I'm very bummed that my first exposure to bugzilla is via red hat's
[02:51] <Burgundavia> have you seen that ridiculous rpm bug?
[02:52] <crimsun> I haven't
[02:52] <LaserJock> hehe, I thought you mean rpm ;-)
[02:52] <LaserJock> meant
[02:56] <LaserJock> hmm, so do you guys have any suggestions about the best way to say that I derived parts of the PG from Debian docs?
[02:57] <crimsun> what's wrong with saying basically that?
[02:58] <crimsun> Portions of the Ubuntu Packaging Guide are derived from the Debian New Maintainer's Guide and from the Debian Policy Manual.
[02:58] <crimsun> I think that covers what you want, no?
[02:58] <LaserJock> yes
[02:59] <LaserJock> I'm wondering though if perhaps the GPL wants more from me
[02:59] <crimsun> no
[02:59] <LaserJock> tbh, I don't quite follow the GPL when it comes to derivatives
[02:59] <crimsun> by using "derived from" and then stating explicitly from what, you've covered it.
[03:00] <LaserJock> k
[03:01] <Burgundavia> crimsun: this bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=119185
[03:01] <LaserJock> OT: is irc.gnome.org the same as irc.gimp.org
[03:02] <Ubugtu> bugzilla.redhat.com bug 119185 in rpm "if rpm exits in mid-transaction, the RPM data base can be left in an inconsistent state" [Normal,Closed: upstream]  
[03:02] <mpt_> LaserJock, yes
[03:02] <LaserJock> :(
[03:02] <mpt_> "We have located 1 accounts"
[03:02] <mpt_> Go Sourceforge, you illiterate, you
[03:04] <crimsun> Burgundavia: that is the best soap opera I've read in a while
[03:09] <Burgundavia> crimsun: utterly ridiculous, eh?
[03:09] <Burgundavia> mpt_: I would love a search in lp for bugs that have changed state more than X number of times (to see state warring like that)
[03:11] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, interesting bug report. Why do people with room-temp. IQs bother attempted bug triage, anyway?
[03:11] <Burgundavia> Madpilot: no idea, but Jeff Johnson is rpm release manager
[03:11] <Burgundavia> https://lists.dulug.duke.edu/pipermail/rpm-devel/2006-July/001185.html
[03:11] <Madpilot> and an idiot, evidently
[03:14] <Madpilot> oh Dog, more idiocy: "I have to agree with Jeff Johnson here. Linux is a system for experts only. If you make a mistake you deserve to have your database corrupted."...
[03:15] <Madpilot> actually, scratch that. The post that came from is actually finely crafted sarcasm :)
[03:16] <mpt_> heehee
[03:16] <mpt_> I don't believe that duke.edu page, it has an invalid certificate
[03:21] <crimsun> I admit my sides hurt from laughing
[03:26] <LaserJock> crap, there are 2 projects named sabayon
[03:26] <LaserJock> and I managed to find the IRC channel of the one I didn't want
[03:26] <LaserJock> I must have looked like an idiot
[03:26] <LaserJock> haha
[03:27] <Burgundavia> there is a distro called sabayon
[03:28] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: yeah, that's who I was talking to about profile editing ;-)
[03:29] <Burgundavia> ah
[03:29] <Burgundavia> I am off, back later
[03:29] <LaserJock> I tried to find the sabayon channel on irc.gnome.org
[03:29] <LaserJock> but nobody was home
[03:30] <nixternal> whee
[03:31] <nixternal> SFW is gonna be funnnnnnn
[03:31] <jjesse> yeah?
[03:31] <nixternal> well hello there
[03:32] <nixternal> im going through the svn now looking at it..i thought there was a little bit there
[03:32] <nixternal> nothing but empty files and a ToC
[03:32] <jjesse> there was at one time an old file that i deleted because it was pretty pathetic
[03:32] <jjesse> in kubuntu/switching/
[03:33] <nixternal> i was thinking...since there are 3 main version of MS Office people use, 2000, XP, and 2003 right now..that would make it a real pain as there are some signifigant differences there
[03:33] <jjesse> well 2003 is just for servers
[03:34] <nixternal> however, i was thinking about grabbing one of those "Office for Dummies" books as that covers the basics basics
[03:34] <nixternal> office 2003 jjesse..not windows 
[03:34] <jjesse> oh yeah
[03:34] <nixternal> and take the information that comes in one of those books, and show the OOo or KO counterpart
[03:34] <nixternal> however, i think KO is unnecessary, as it doesn't even have Office support really
[03:35] <jjesse> should just focus on default installed applications
[03:35] <nixternal> ya, since it is switching from windows the defaulte apps are good
[03:36] <nixternal> that would also be good documentation at a later date, either via docbooks, or wiki..a switching from MS Office
[03:38] <nixternal> it would be nice to have "Windows Basics | Office Basics | Internet Basics | Communications Basics (Email & Chat) | Multimedia Basics | Windows Admin"
[03:38] <nixternal> take those and do the Ubuntu style of them
[03:38] <jjesse> i think that's streaching things
[03:39] <jjesse> making the SFW guide bigger then it needs to be
[03:39] <nixternal> ok
[03:40] <nixternal> is this going to entail stuff like "start menu, explorer, control panel, my documents, my computer, network neighborhood, maybe outlook express & internet explorer, stuff like that?
[03:40] <jjesse> i think so
[03:41] <jjesse> hmmm need to take dog out, i'll be back later i think
[03:41] <nixternal> hehe k
[03:41] <Riddell> jjesse: should I be looking at packaging the edgy docs next week?
[03:41] <Riddell> mostly for the sake of fixing the packaging rather than having anything near final docs
[03:42] <nixternal> he must of already grabbed the dog 
[03:42] <nixternal> or the dog grabbed him
[04:16] <mpt_> The sourceforge tracker is quite pleasant for reporting bugs
[05:41] <robotgeek> has anybody else come aboard for Kubuntu documentation?
[05:51] <Madpilot> robotgeek, don't think so. -doc has been pretty quiet lately
[05:57] <nixternal> popeye the movie is coming on in 30 minutes..i think im crawling in bed and watchin' it 
[06:27] <Madpilot> hi robitaille 
[06:28] <robitaille> Hi Madpilot 
[06:40] <nixternal> hiya jsgotangco
[06:43] <robotgeek> hey nixternal 
[06:44] <robotgeek> do you know what's status of Kubuntu docs? nixternal 
[06:44] <nixternal> can't say that i do
[06:46] <Laser_away> they're just there :-)
[06:52] <robotgeek> okay
[06:54] <nixternal> was hopin' jjesse was gonna fill us in, but i know he has been busy with business travel this week
[06:55] <nixternal> if there is anything i can do to help, anything needs some quick editing or what not...i am more then willing to do so
[06:57] <robotgeek> i need to migrate docs to edgy :)
[06:58] <nixternal> fun stuff
[06:58] <nixternal> what has to be done on this end in order to get them ready for you to migrate?
[07:00] <robotgeek> got to see if anything is changed
[07:03] <nixternal> ya, then jjesse is going to be the man for that one 
[07:08] <robotgeek> yup. i probably need about a week or so before i can start working on it
[07:14] <jsgotangco> nixternal: hey sorry was afk for a while, talking to my mom =)
[11:12] <mdke_> Laser_away: pong
[11:14] <mdke_> Riddell: speaking of kubuntu-docs packaging, did you upload the dapper-update?
[11:17] <Riddell> mdke_: don't think so
[11:17] <Riddell> mdke_: well, no.  what should I upload?
[11:18] <mdke_> Riddell: I added lots of translation updates to the repo and iirc I updated the changelog too, should be ok just for you to give it a quick once over and upload
[11:18] <mdke_> it's at https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/branches/dapper
[11:19] <Riddell> mdke_: ok, there's an update of jjesse's chapter from the book that should go in too
[11:20] <mdke_> Riddell: looks like you uploaded it actually
[11:20] <mdke_> yeah -11
[11:21] <mdke_> sorry, should have checked
[11:22] <mdke_> hmm
[11:23] <mdke_> Riddell: actually, you didn't upload it, there is just an upload by you with the same version number (-11) that wasn't merged into our repo. My changes aren't in the package that is in the archive
[04:24] <nixternal> mornin'
[04:24] <jsgotangco> hi
[04:25] <nixternal> well hello there
[04:25] <jsgotangco> what's up dude
[04:26] <nixternal> not a whole lot..gonna be about 100 degrees today
[04:27] <jsgotangco> brrrrrrrrrrrrr
[04:27] <jsgotangco> :D
[04:27] <jsgotangco> ahh the scent of summer..when its already typhoon season here
[04:30] <nixternal> hehe
[04:30] <nixternal> me too
[04:30] <jsgotangco> sundays can be really boring
[04:31] <jsgotangco> im thinking of installing drupal for the loco site but i dunno the db password and the other loco contacts using it ain't online
[04:31] <nixternal> ahh
[04:31] <jsgotangco> we have this *HUGE ASS* server just sitting
[04:32] <jsgotangco> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[04:32] <jsgotangco> /dev/hda2             107G  8.6G   93G   9% /
[04:32] <jsgotangco> AFAIK only 5 locoteams using it
[04:32] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:34] <nixternal> jeesh
[04:37] <jsgotangco> hmm i will probably just play some videogames in my xbox
[04:39] <nixternal> hehe
[05:16] <robotgeek> nixternal: btw, i wont be able to attend this weeks meeting (again)
[05:16] <nixternal> which meeting?
[05:17] <robotgeek> heh, check email
[05:17] <nixternal> oh..the 21st?
[05:17] <nixternal> heh, there are a bunch of meetings for me this week
[05:17] <robotgeek> i will be on a flight, and be really busy. the week after that, things should have settled down
[05:17] <nixternal> fun stuff there
[05:18] <robotgeek> there should not be too much stuff to do with the Desktop Guide this time, i guess
[05:19] <nixternal> you would think the desktop guide would almost have to wait for for a release or 2, so you can actually document the changes to the desktop and what not
[05:20] <nixternal> the kubuntu desktop guide shouldn't change much at all...as it will be kde 3.5.3 which doesn't have many differences, just improvements really
[05:20] <robotgeek> yup. it will be adding some more polish, bugfixes etc
[05:20] <nixternal> ya
[05:21] <nixternal> i haven't looked..is there some doc bugs that need fixing...type of fixing i can do...i shall check
[05:21] <robotgeek> nixternal: essentially looking through and seeing if we can improve a few things. 
[05:22] <nixternal> ya, which there is always a way to improve
[05:30] <nixternal> heh, i just realised that i am a wiki member, not a doc member...shows you how much i pay attention to the list of teams on the launchpad
[05:30] <nixternal> 13,517 bugs to fix
[05:30] <nixternal> lets go!!!
[05:33] <nixternal> 13,516 
[05:35] <robotgeek> nixternal: :)
[05:35] <robotgeek> alrite, i gotta get back to work. later
[08:22] <nixternal> hiya jjesse
[08:22] <jjesse> hello
[08:23] <nixternal> keepin' busy are ya?>
[08:23] <jjesse> every day :)
[08:23] <nixternal> hehe
[08:23] <nixternal> people havin' been asking about kubuntu docs..and if they will be ready for mergin
[08:23] <nixternal> g
[08:24] <jjesse> ummm there have been no updates since dapper really so nothing to merge
[08:24] <nixternal> that is what i kind of figured, but wasn't 100% positive
[08:25] <nixternal> i have been going through the kubuntu documentation, looking for typo's, and stuff like that..haven't found anything out of the ordinary that would warrant changes
[08:25] <jjesse> well the releasenotes have to be completly re-written which i'm working today on
[08:25] <nixternal> if i find something, should i create a bug, and then possibly attempt to make a fix, create the diff, and post it to the bug or email it to ya?
[08:25] <jjesse> after i finish reading the official copy of the book
[08:26] <nixternal> ok
[08:26] <nixternal> "official copy" of what book?   i want one 
[08:26] <jjesse> the official ubuntu book
[08:26] <nixternal> hehe
[08:27] <jjesse> sending it to the printer on monday
[08:27] <nixternal> i can't wait
[08:27] <nixternal> add that to the list of books to buy 
[08:48] <Newb> hey...can someone tell me how the hell to navigate the channels on this server?  I"ve never seen one this big...
[08:49] <nixternal>  /j #channel
[08:49] <nixternal> that will get you to join a channel
[08:49] <Newb> ya...i know that...but...
[08:49] <Newb> how do you find the right channell?
[08:49] <Newb> lol
[08:49] <Newb> theres so many
[08:49] <Newb> thousands, looks like
[08:49] <nixternal> what are you looking for?
[08:49] <nixternal> help?
[08:49] <Newb> php
[08:49] <Newb> and lots of it
[08:49] <nixternal> #php
[08:49] <Newb> friggin sweet.  is there a CMS topic room as well?
[08:50] <nixternal> #cms
[08:50] <Newb> what's this room?
[08:50] <nixternal> #ubuntu-doc
[08:51] <Newb> lol i had gathered as much
[08:51] <Newb> but
[08:51] <nixternal> ubuntu documentation project
[08:51] <nixternal> team channel
[08:51] <Newb> looks like tech-jargon too specific for a newb
[08:51] <Newb> ubuntu
[08:51] <nixternal> ubuntu linux
[08:51] <nixternal> http://www.ubuntu.com
[08:51] <Newb> is that a new release?
[08:51] <nixternal> 2 years old
[08:51] <nixternal> debian based
[08:51] <nixternal> #1 on distro charts
[08:51] <Newb> whoa
[08:52] <nixternal> currently the most popular linux os out there
[08:52] <nixternal> and by far my favorite of course 
[08:52] <Newb> i thought red hat was?
[08:52] <Newb> lol
[08:52] <nixternal> hrm
[08:52] <Newb> or maybe debian
[08:52] <dsas> redhat probably is, amongst people that pay for it. :)
[08:52] <Newb> good point
[08:52] <nixternal> http://distrowatch.com/
[08:53] <nixternal> we are free..free as in freedom, as well as free as in beer 
[08:53] <Newb> damn.  how does devil-linux not get the shit sued out of them?  isn't it a violation of the GNU license to mimic debian so closely?
[08:53] <Newb> well, you can't beat free beer
[08:53] <Newb> so..
[08:53] <Newb> if I buy ubuntu....I get...
[08:53] <Newb> free beer?
[08:54] <Newb> lmao
[08:54] <nixternal> if you buy ubuntu, you got ripped off 
[08:54] <Newb> oh.
[08:54] <Newb> so
[08:54] <nixternal> since they will ship you CD's for free
[08:54] <Newb> where does the free beer kick in?
[08:54] <nixternal> it is a "GNU/Linux" slogan from many years ago
[08:54] <Newb> j/k; are you guys the developers?
[08:54] <nixternal> the one thing Richard Stallman said that made since
[08:55] <nixternal> some in here are developers, but this isn't a developers channel
[08:55] <Newb> oh
[08:55] <Newb> so
[08:55] <Newb> you guys just talk about....the release?
[08:55] <Newb> lke...
[08:55] <nixternal> dsas, forgot about the dvd 
[08:55] <Newb> 'this feature is cool'
[08:55] <Newb> or
[08:55] <Newb> 'this feature isn't cool, i hope they change that'
[08:55] <nixternal> no, we write the documentation you see
[08:55] <nixternal> https://help.ubuntu.com
[08:55] <nixternal> as well as maintain the wiki's
[08:56] <Newb> ohh
[08:56] <Newb> neat.  so maybe you could help me find a good CMS?
[08:56] <Newb> or uh
[08:56] <nixternal> when you use "Help" and see all that text, this team was involved with it in some form
[08:56] <Newb> #cms is what thats for
[08:56] <Newb> right
[08:56] <nixternal> yup
[08:56] <Newb> sorry im used to a very. very. small server with 12 users total
[08:56] <Newb> and two channels.  one i dont even have access to
[08:57] <nixternal> heh, not here..loaded with channels
[08:57] <nixternal> worldwide here
[09:16] <Newb> worldwide??
[09:17] <Newb> jesus
[09:44] <nixternal> wb 
[09:45] <Caterpillar_Memb> hello, can anyone tell me where to go when i've been improperly banned from a room?  I asked for help with my site and got banned.  The ops in #php are extremely ignorant.
[09:45] <Caterpillar_Memb> is there a room for that? lol
[09:45] <Caterpillar_Memb> was extremely inappropriate
[09:46] <nixternal> you got banned for a reason im sure...however, this isn't a channel to ask for help in, unless of course you are having issues with documentation or website issues
[09:46] <nixternal> thanks
[09:46] <Caterpillar_Memb> well, he told me to stop spamming, and I was like...dude...I'm not spamming, I'm just asking for help with php...this is #php
[09:47] <Caterpillar_Memb> but...i mean...where to i go for help?
[09:47] <nixternal> help for what?
[09:47] <Caterpillar_Memb> help with removing improper bans?
[09:48] <Caterpillar_Memb> it says 'you can always message a staffer'
[09:48] <nixternal> there is no place to go for a channel ban
[09:48] <crimsun> sorry, but we don't have any control over #php
[09:48] <nixternal> then message a staffer
[09:48] <nixternal> and yes, what crimsun just said
[09:48] <Caterpillar_Memb> ! that's what I'm trying to do!
[09:48] <Caterpillar_Memb> lol
[09:48] <Caterpillar_Memb> can you please help?
[09:48] <Caterpillar_Memb> where do I go?
[09:49] <Caterpillar_Memb> is there a channel?
[09:49] <Caterpillar_Memb> staffer.
[09:49] <crimsun> /stats p
[09:49] <crimsun> type that. There's at least one who's active.
[09:50] <nixternal> this channel is logged for documentation purposes, and used to confer documentation topics, you are currently spamming this channel with stuff not related to Ubuntu documentation. If you decide to stay, keep the chatter on-topic, otherwise please feel free to check out #ubuntu-offtopic
[09:50] <nixternal> thank you
[09:51] <Caterpillar_Memb> oh, jesus man.  I was asking innocent questions, and you were being intentionally vague.  Please.  Thanks for the help, anyway, it's been very helpful.
[09:52] <Laser_away> mdke_: I was just wondering about the newletter and where mgalvin was, but Riddell already took care of it
[09:53] <nixternal> Laser_away: mgalvin has been very busy, so ya Riddell took care of it last night...mgalvin stated previously we could help get it out..so i started #7 last night
[09:55] <Laser_away> nixternal: yeah, but my feeling is that these newsletters need to really be on time and consistent
[09:55] <Laser_away> but I think everybody knows that
[09:55] <nixternal> they should have been, but i am kind of at fault because i said i could help, and didn't with the last one
[09:56] <Laser_away> well, that's where it seemsed to be a tad bit of a lack of communication there
[09:57] <nixternal> ya there was, as i had to refer back to the log file in order to find that
[09:57] <nixternal> i believe i offered to help him and mdz get it out
[09:58] <nixternal> i will try to stay up to date with it, and i will mark it so i know not to forget about it..but i believe we need some other's to help contribute stories/news
[09:59] <Laser_away> I would think better use of the mailing list would help
[09:59] <Laser_away> it's not easy to coordinate these tasks on IRC
[10:01] <nixternal> oh, i agree 100% with you on that
[10:05] <LaserJock> nixternal: nixternal at CaboWabo ?
[10:05] <nixternal> shhh
[10:05] <nixternal> ;
[10:05] <nixternal> i know what you are referrring to
[10:06] <nixternal> dch -i grabs my hostfile info
[10:06] <LaserJock> you can set DEBFULLNAME and DEBEMAIL in ~/.bashrc
[10:07] <nixternal> export DEBEMAIL=nixternal@gmail.com
[10:07] <nixternal> wth is wrong with me
[10:07] <nixternal> wrong winder
[10:07] <LaserJock> I think you need ""s
[10:10] <LaserJock> nixternal: what were you trying to do with lyx?
[10:11] <nixternal> woohoo
[10:11] <nixternal> who knows what i was trying to do...i was following instructions, and accidentally uploaded all 3 source.changes 
[10:11] <nixternal> export DEBEMAIL=nixternal@gmail.com
[10:12] <nixternal> source ~/.bashrc
[10:12] <LaserJock> lol
[10:12] <nixternal> that fixed it..thank you!!!
[10:12] <LaserJock> no problemo
[10:12] <LaserJock> Mr. CaboWabo
[10:13] <nixternal> hehe
[10:14] <nixternal> http://www.cabowabo.com & http://www.redrocker.com
[10:14] <nixternal>