fowlducki wanna make me a new version of ubuntu12:08
dannyseems I missed something. there is a menue entry.... in the internet tools section...12:09
dannyhmm, think I work a bit on my own code.... bye12:11
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fowlduckhey, how does someone go about starting a new version of ubuntu?  I mean, someone had to put together edubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, so there has to be a method to this madness.12:21
LaserJockmore like lots of madness to the method ;-)12:27
LaserJockfowlduck: you want to like customize the .isos?12:27
fowlduckLaserJock, more than that, I want to customize what is installed during the install12:28
LaserJockthere are some wiki pages, but I don't know how far they go12:30
fowlducknot far at all12:31
fowlduckand they're for breezy12:31
fowlduckhow did the other people go about it?  there is such a barrier12:31
LaserJockwhat do you mean by other people?12:34
sladenfowlduck: define a meta-package that Depends on a bunch of stuff12:34
fowlduckLaserJock, as in those that started Xubuntu, Edubuntu, Kubuntu12:35
sladenfowlduck: they installed a bunch of packages and defined a meta-package that depended on them12:35
LaserJockfowlduck: those projects use the Ubuntu infrastructure12:35
fowlduckLaserJock, ok, so how would I go about getting access to this?  Or becoming an official project?12:36
fowlducksladen, but the installer12:36
sladenfowlduck: start by defining a meta-package, get it sponsored into universe12:36
LaserJockfowlduck: not sure, get the Technica Board or Mark to ok it perhaps12:36
sladenfowlduck: the core-infrastructure is all the same12:36
fowlducksladen, hmmm, i'll have to get some more packages put into it12:36
sladenfowlduck: what packages?12:37
LaserJockmeta-packages are by far easier to do12:37
fowlducklike pyflag12:37
sladenare those in Debian?12:37
sladenideally, the first step is to get them into Debian12:37
LaserJockfowlduck: what kind of project are you trying to make?12:37
fowlducki had to package them myself for a program I wrote to customize ubuntu for computer forensics12:37
sladenokay, so they're already packaged?12:37
fowlduckLaserJock, computer forensics ubuntu12:37
LaserJockoh yeah, I thought I'd heard of pyflag12:37
fowlducksladen, yes, I packaged them12:38
sladenin that case, look at getting them uploaded to  revu12:38
LaserJockI thought there was already a derivative thing for that12:38
fowlduckLaserJock, I was the guy bothering you about packaging it this past spring break12:38
LaserJockoh, ok12:38
LaserJocknow I get it12:38
sladenand then getting them sponsored by one of the MOTU into universe12:38
fowlduckstill the same guy :)12:38
fowlduckI need to repackage them with a GPG key that I stick with12:38
sladenand apply for MOTU at the same time so that you get upload priviligies12:38
sladenfowlduck: *grin*, so you did manage to get them packaged! :)12:39
sladenLaserJock: rock!  See, it's worth helping people, they might come back a few months later with nicely packaged stuff :)12:39
LaserJockfowlduck: the "offical" derivatives have to have their packages in Main12:40
LaserJockyour best bet is to get your packages in Universe and make a meta-package12:41
fowlduckLaserJock, how do you mean?  I'mnot new to packaging but I am to REVU12:41
fowlduckoh, ok12:41
fowlduckbut there is an issue12:41
fowlducksee, to be forensically sound, automounting has to be turned off, all forms of it12:42
fowlduckand that interferes with the settings of others12:42
LaserJockonce they are in the repos then it's possible to make a LiveCD with your tailored packages12:42
LaserJockI'm not exactly sure the best way to get around that12:42
fowlduckLaserJock, and how to make the installer customized?  one thing at a time?12:43
fowlduckjust get all this in so it's less of a leap?12:43
crimsunfrom what level, though? In GNOME? Because there's no "automounting" at the cli or in X Window System.12:43
LaserJockI was thinking you'd go with a different WM12:43
fowlduckcrimsun, the lowest possible12:43
fowlducknaw, the current is fine12:44
crimsun"the lowest possible"?12:44
fowlduckcrimsun, the lowest possible level of automounting12:44
fowlduckcrimsun, I can screw with gconf and gvm12:44
crimsunthat's just two gconf settings.12:44
fowlduckcrimsun, but if there is something lower it can cause tampering with evidence12:44
fowlduckwhich makes it not forensically sound12:45
crimsunfowlduck: all automounting is done by g-v-m12:45
fowlduckwhich makes it all but useless12:45
fowlduckcrimsun, ahhhh, ok thanks12:45
crimsunthere's nothing lower (we don't include any kernel patches) in our default config12:45
fowlduckok, great12:46
fowlduckok, so install ubuntu and get packaging on here :)12:46
fowlduckup until now I've been doing it in a VM12:46
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fowlduckthanks for your help, I'll be back later ( crimsun and LaserJock )12:47
LaserJockok, cya12:48
fowlduckoh, one more thing, packages should not install into /usr/local12:48
fowlduckok, so where then?  /usr?12:48
fowlduckcrimsun, two of those don't use a configure12:49
crimsunthat's fine, you can move them12:49
fowlduckok, so let them install there then use the rules file to move them?12:49
crimsun/usr/local/ is reserved for local admin12:49
crimsunno, modify their Makefiles to accept DESTDIR12:49
fowlduckthen use rules to specify the destdir12:50
fowlduckin the make12:50
fowlduckok, thanks12:50
LaserJockand politely ask upstream to adjust for DESTIDIR ;-)12:50
fowlduckoh, and if a program only has one config file, should it only be in /etc?  I shouldn't make another directory under /etc to hold it?  ex: /etc/program/program.conf12:51
fowlduckLaserJock, oh, ok12:51
fowlduckLaserJock, although it may be in /usr/local for a reason, as these tools should probably only be run by root...I think12:51
crimsunno, /usr/local/ on Debian systems is unconditionally not to be mucked with12:52
LaserJockthat has nothing to do with /usr/local12:52
fowlduckoh, ok12:52
LaserJock /usr/sbin/ might be the place then, not sure though12:52
crimsunand I would say that /etc/somedir/ is cleaner12:53
crimsuneven if it is just that one file12:53
fowlduckcrimsun, I would think so, but I'd like to do it a standard way12:53
fowlduckcrimsun, whats worse is one wants to install its' config file in /usr/local/etc12:54
crimsunMakefile hacking.12:54
fowlduckyou actually have to modify the source to change it too12:54
fowlducki wish it was just the makefile12:54
fowlduckand I guess we're not supposed to modify the source too12:54
LaserJockthat's what patches are for12:55
fowlduckhmm, so how does one make patches? (like a diff?)12:56
fowlducki mean, you can just point me to a program to do it or a link and i'll figure it out, i've already pestered you guys enough12:56
crimsunsomething based on diff(1), yes12:57
LaserJockboy, this really is "point out deficencies in the packaging guide" day :-)12:57
fowlduckit's all for the greater good12:58
fowlduckthink of it as "improving the packaging guide" day :)12:58
LaserJockwell, that needs more than a day12:59
fowlduckbit by bit, piece by piece12:59
fowlduckso, what program can be used for patching?12:59
fowlduckI'd like to get to this packaging12:59
fowlduck::::)      (<==A spider smiling)01:00
fowlduckok, thanks01:01
crimsunto generate a unified diff, use something based on diff(1)01:01
fowlduckunified diff?01:01
crimsunit's a particular diff format01:01
fowlduckwhich is what I need to submit this package or something?01:02
fowlducki'm confused01:02
crimsundiff(1) is used to generate a line-by-line summary of differences between file{,s}01:03
crimsunyou can apply a file generated by diff(1) using patch(1)01:03
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fowlduckok, so use diff to make the patch, how does this affect the packaging?01:04
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LaserJockyou can include a patch to the source in your packaging01:05
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fowlduckis there an official way to do this?01:06
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fowlducki need to buy that01:07
LaserJock^^ has a bit of info on dpatch01:07
fowlduckok thanks01:07
fowlduckyou guys are always so helpful crimsun, and LaserJock01:08
LaserJockcrimsun: btw, I talked to doko about python-central et. al. in B-D-I01:08
LaserJockfowlduck: np01:08
fowlduckthanks thanks, double-thanks01:08
crimsunLaserJock: great. What was the resolution?01:08
fowlduckso talk to you guys later01:09
LaserJockcrimsun: basically, put stuff you need for clean in B-D and the rest in B-D-I01:09
LaserJockfowlduck: cya01:09
crimsunLaserJock: ok, that's what I thought01:09
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sanderHello, does anyone here know how packages are added to edgy? rationale: gnome-hearts hit debian/unstable a few days ago and I like to see it in edgy and backport it to dapper01:57
LaserJocksander: I don't think we are automatically grabing packages still01:58
LaserJockso we would need to either request as sync if it builds fine on edgy or manually merge it01:58
LaserJockbackporting can be done once it's in edgy01:58
sanderpbuilder works fine on Ubuntu so a sync should work. Where do I request a sync?01:59
crimsunit'll be synced in automatically.01:59
crimsunit entered on the fifth of July, which was prior to UVF02:00
crimsunjust be patient02:00
crimsunthe buildds have days worth of building to do02:00
sanderstill? I thought only packeges that were synced on edgy creation were auto-synced, not new packages after the big debian snapshot02:00
LaserJockthey have a script which tells them about new packages since they last synced02:01
crimsununiverse freeze isn't until late Sept02:01
crimsunthere's plenty of time remaining for sync02:01
LaserJockI assumed they wouldn't be automatic after UVF02:01
crimsunthey're not, but this date falls prior to UVF02:02
sanderWhen is UVF then?02:02
crimsunit was the thirteenth02:03
sandergnome-hearts was uploaded the 5th. I should be okay then02:04
crimsunkeep in mind virtually nothing was buildable the past couple days.02:04
sanderand how about the edgy/main repository? What is the procedure for getting packages in there? Or is that selection already frozen?02:05
crimsunUVF is already passed.02:05
LaserJockcrimsun: are you sure it got in?02:06
crimsunLaserJock: no, but it doesn't matter02:06
LaserJockcrimsun: I can't find it anywhere02:06
crimsunit would be synced into universe, not into main02:06
LaserJockright, but are you sure we are still autosyncing?02:06
crimsunno, we're not afaik02:07
LaserJockso wouldn't someone have to manually request a sync? or perhaps we just have to wait for Keybuck02:07
crimsunI can't imagine we won't sync again at least once more02:07
crimsunyou can request a sync into, sure, but I'm pretty sure it'll be redundant.02:08
sanderIn case it doesn't appear in a couple of days, how can I request a sync?02:08
crimsunfile a bug against gnome-hearts, subscribe (don't assign to) ubuntu-archive02:09
LaserJockhe can't file a bug against gnome-hearts02:09
crimsunright, which is why it's pointless02:09
LaserJockbut I think people have been just filing against ubuntu in those cases02:10
crimsunwait, and you want to backport this into dapper-backports?02:10
crimsunwe're not allowed to introduce new packages02:10
sanderyeah, but that's extra. First I want Edgy sorted. Dapper is bonus :-)02:11
crimsundapper-backports is not valid in this case02:11
crimsunedgy will be fine, since it can be synced in anytime between now and Sept 28th02:11
sanderGood, thanks. And after that I could request a backport for dapper? Which would go in dapper/universe or dapper/backports?02:13
crimsunyou can't request it into dapper.02:14
crimsunthat's what I was trying to explain.02:14
crimsungnome-hearts didn't exist in dapper when dapper was released, so it'd be a new package02:14
crimsunwe can't backport new packages02:14
sanderAh, so backports only has edgy versions of dapper packages, right?02:15
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sanderThanks. One more question if you don't mind: how is the edgy/main selected? Or was that done too at UVF?02:16
crimsunwhat do you mean by "selected"?02:17
sanderWell, you guys select a subset of the debian repros for the edgy/main repro. The rest goes in edgy/universe or multiverse.02:18
sanderOr did I misunderstand?02:18
crimsunmain and restricted are supported; all other components aren't02:18
crimsunso if something's in main, it has to have a darned good reason to be there02:19
crimsuni.e., random new Debian package doesn't end up in main02:19
crimsunit has to be a requirement/dependency of another main package02:19
crimsunand even then it's not guaranteed02:19
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sanderI understand. I saw talk of revising the list of games for edgy, hence my question02:20
crimsunwell it's a shoe-in for universe, but promoting it to main is much more difficult02:21
sanderThat's what I thought. And I can't find documentation about that process (if there is a process to begin with)02:21
LaserJockyou have to write a Main inclusion report02:22
crimsunyes, it's called promotion, and it's recorded via anastacia02:22
crimsunright, you need to write up a "MIR"02:22
crimsunhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportBeecrypt  for an example02:23
crimsuncanonical instructions: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionRequirements02:24
sanderThanks for that. Much reading to do :-)02:25
sanderWhat's the best place to see when my package gets synced into edgy? Currently I simply browse archive.ubuntu.com but I have a feeling there's a better place for that02:27
LaserJocksander: hmm, there is the edgy-changes mailing list02:28
LaserJockI think there is also an RSS feed somewhere02:28
sanderFound it. Thanks for the help. You too crimsun02:30
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shawarmaDoes anyone here have an amd64 box?03:07
shawarmaI'll be coming into possession of such a thing within a few days, but there's a few things I don't quite understand.03:08
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Fujitsushawarma, I have experience with a couple.03:08
Fujitsushawarma, what do you wish to know?03:08
shawarmaFujitsu: I'm just a little confused about the i386 compatibility thing.. Does it actually run stuff compiled for i386?03:09
Fujitsushawarma, if you install the i386 version, yes.03:09
shawarmaI'll be installing the amd64 version of course.03:09
FujitsuYou'll need a 32-bit chroot then, to run 32-bit apps.03:09
tsengsimple answer: you cant run 32-bit apps on 64-bit ubuntu03:09
shawarmaBut a chroot will do?03:10
shawarmaI'm not into simple answers. :-)03:10
tsenglinux32 chroot myubuntu32chroot/03:10
tsengworks for simple things03:10
tsengchroot gets complicated for running services or X etc03:10
shawarmaBecause of chroot or because of amd64 vs. i386 stuff?03:11
tsengbecause of chroot03:11
shawarmaOk. I can handle that.03:11
shawarmaSo the reason I need the chroot is to make the dynamic linker happy more easily?03:11
tsengnot really.03:12
tsengthere are very few 32 bit libs in 64-bit ubuntu03:12
shawarmaI recently came into contact with a amd64 box running redhat. It had a bunch of i386 libs installed too.. What purpose would they serve?03:12
shawarmatseng: Yes, I'd imagine.03:12
tsengwe have linux 32 libs for amd64 also03:13
shawarmaWhat I meant was: In a chroot, the linker won't see anything but i386 stuff and as such will not try to link things compiled for different archs.03:13
tsengnothing sees anything outside the chroot03:13
tsengits totally contained03:14
shawarmaOr is that handled by some other mechanism?03:14
shawarmatseng: Yes, yes. I know.03:14
tsengif you want to think of it in terms of the linker, fine.03:14
shawarmaWell... I suppose I'm looking for an answer to: "Why is the chroot needed?"03:14
tsengits a complete set of libs, linker, compiler, apps03:14
tsengfor 32 bit03:14
tsenga full system (minus kernel)03:15
shawarmaYes, but the chroot only pertains to filesystems. It's still using the same kernel.03:15
tsengyou run linux32 chroot mydir/03:15
tsengand the apps think you are using a 32 bit kernel03:15
tsengthe kernel can handle running 32 bit code03:15
shawarmaAh... I see.03:15
tsengand so can the cpu03:15
tsengit is just a limitation in our 64 bit userland03:15
tsengwe dont have something called multilib03:16
tsenglook it up if you are really interested03:16
shawarmaLook up "multilib"?03:17
shawarmaI will..03:17
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shawarmaI think I understand now.03:17
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shawarmaSo i can just create a pbuilder for amd64 and one for i386 and not have to worry about cross compiling, qemu's or whatever? That's pretty neat.03:18
tsengyeah it is03:18
Hobbseemorning all03:18
shawarmaThe dynamic linker confusion comes from the infamous redhat system I saw. It had both a lib64 and a lib dir so the two architectures' libs coexisted in the same filesystem. I just imagined it'd cause linker weirdness all the time.03:19
shawarmaOn an Ubuntu amd64, is it also called /usr/lib64 or still just /usr/lib ?03:20
shawarmaSilly me. I actually have access to an amd64 system right now.. I'll just snoop around on that one.03:21
shawarmatseng: Thanks a lot for your help!03:21
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shawarmaHmm... On a standard Ubuntu amd64, the /usr/lib32 wouldn't be needed, right?03:24
shawarmaI'm just wondering why it's present on this system.. It's a plain vanilla webserver.03:25
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Riddellshawarma: openoffice will need it03:33
Riddelland the directory will probably be made along with the bootstrapping03:34
shawarmaRiddell: Why would openoffice need it?03:35
shawarmaRiddell: Has it not been properly ported to amd64?03:35
shawarmaRiddell: I remember something about it actually having some assembler code in it to do some introspection stuff.. That might not be very easily ported..03:35
shawarmaRiddell: But yes, the directory might be created during the bootstrapping.03:36
Riddellno, it's not been ported to amd64 except by fedora03:37
shawarmaReally? something we can't steal?03:38
shawarmaRiddell: You're in roughly the same timezone as I am... What's your excuse for being up this late?03:39
Riddellnoisy neighbours03:39
shawarmaah. the average age of my neighbours is around 75.. They're very quiet this time of night. :-)03:40
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shawarmaOh, well. It's almost 4 am. I'm off to bed.03:49
shawarmag'night guys!03:49
shawarma..and Hobbsee. :-)03:49
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fowlduckhallo again04:13
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Laser_awayheretician: working on it :-)05:17
nixternalLaser_away: help me..im retarded05:23
nixternali uploaded to 'revu' last night right...and now im trying to logon by doing the "request password" deal05:24
nixternali do it right..and it tells me to type in the decrypt line, and past the text below...there is no text below05:24
nixternalwth is wrong with me?05:24
nixternalas i am sure it isn't anything else but stoooooopid ol' me 05:25
Laser_awayno, I think it could be a problem05:25
Laser_awayyou uploaded ok?05:25
nixternala few packages05:25
Laser_awayyou package is on REVU?05:25
nixternal1 good 2 bad i thik 05:25
nixternali don't see it yet05:25
nixternalalmost 24 hours since i up'd it05:25
Laser_awayok, but one worked anyway05:26
hereticianLaser_away: Cool hehe05:26
nixternalon..all worked05:26
nixternalim saying the packages were 1 good 2 bad 05:26
nixternalor 1 good, 1 almost there, and 1 bad05:26
Laser_awayok, so did you make sure to use the same email address as is in the changelog of your packages05:27
hereticianShould I be getting EasyUbuntu: For Developers: Bleeding Edge?05:28
nixternalemail address is correct05:31
Laser_awayare you in the ubuntu-universe-contributors LP team05:31
Laser_awayhmm :(05:32
nixternalhehe exactly05:32
Laser_awayI don't know why it wouldn't work05:32
nixternalim sure crimsun will come along and go oh, you do this little thing here which is right in front of your face 05:32
nixternali gotta eat something05:32
crimsunno, actually it's the same thing I ran into some time gao05:32
nixternalspeak of the devil 05:33
crimsunyou need an admin to reset your pass05:33
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nixternalroger that..and one of the 4 or 5 admins listed on the REVU wiki05:33
nixternalaj, \sh and such05:33
Laser_awayjust email admin at tiber.tauware.de05:33
nixternalthx Laser_away05:34
nixternali will do that05:34
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FujitsuThe wiki doesn't actually say how to get started in the whole Ubuntu packaging business... Any pointers?05:42
Laser_awayclick on go to the Packaging Guide05:42
FujitsuWell, I know how to package...05:43
Laser_awaybah, that was a messed up sentence05:43
FujitsuI mean, how to do something useful.05:43
FujitsuI have a fair amount of experience with debhelper...05:43
Laser_awaywell, you can fix bugs or work on the Universe merge05:43
crimsunyeah, why doesn't the PG give me a pony? huh? HUH?05:44
Laser_awayshesh, sorry05:44
Laser_awaymaybe I'll throw in an ASCII art pony just for you crimsun05:44
FujitsuOh, I assumed only proper MOTUs were working on the merge....05:44
FujitsuGood idea.05:44
Laser_awayFujitsu: the general rule is, anything a MOTU can do you can do as well, you just need a MOTU to sponsor it05:45
FujitsuAh. OK.05:45
crimsunanyone seen Ming Hua lately?05:45
Laser_awaythat's how you become a MOTU in the first place05:45
Laser_awaycrimsun: no, unfortunately :(05:45
crimsunthose merges are sitting there05:45
FujitsuLaser_away, aha. That's what I thought.05:46
Laser_awaywow, I've got a lot more that list than I remember05:46
Laser_awayall of like 5 packages05:46
Laser_awayalthough I don't really want to claim tightvnc05:47
crimsunyou love that included XFree86 source, really, you do.05:47
FujitsuX must be the most lovely package to maintain.05:47
Fujitsu390 new merges... That's quite a few remaining.05:48
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Laser_awayFujitsu: the Packaging Guide does have a section on merging ;-)05:49
FujitsuLaser_away, I noticed :)05:49
Laser_awayand you left #ubuntu-science, don't you like us any more ;-)05:49
FujitsuNo, I had too many channels.05:49
FujitsuI joined #ubuntu-motu-school instead.05:50
FujitsuStupid 20 channel limit.05:50
Laser_awayprobably not as many as crimsun05:50
FujitsuI have to switch between a few.05:50
Laser_awaydoh, I'm going to need to add -school back in too05:50
FujitsuAny ideas on why that limit is in place?05:50
Laser_awayI wasn't aware of a limit05:50
FujitsuSo, should I just pick a package?05:51
FujitsuLaser_away, there's a limit of 20 channels.05:51
Laser_awaythough I never go much beyond 10-15 myself05:51
FujitsuAnd I have been hitting it for months.05:51
Laser_awayFujitsu: yeah, look for one where the diffs aren't huge05:51
FujitsuYeah, I shall.05:51
FujitsuI do like that easier-motuing spec. A very good idea.05:52
Laser_awaywe hope so05:52
Laser_awayif you want any easy one space-orbit is one of mine that looks easy05:52
Laser_awayok, I really have to be away now05:52
Laser_awaymy "doing the finances" has turned into "hang out on irc"05:53
FujitsuOK, I'll look at space-orbit.05:53
FujitsuThanks :D05:53
fowlduckhmm, are there any instructions on signing packages?06:07
fowlduckon how to use it with revu and whatnot?06:07
fowlduckok, thanks06:07
crimsunif you use debuild, pass -k06:08
crimsunalthough if you only have one uid associated with your key, you won't need -k06:08
FujitsuThe Ubuntu changes for space-orbit are just dependency ones... Debian merges one change, but not the other.06:08
fowlduckI'm not sure what a UID is06:08
Fujitsufowlduck, email address.06:09
fowlduckFujitsu, ahh, ok06:09
crimsunFujitsu: are you positive? According to the Ubuntu changelog there's a .desktop delta, too.06:10
crimsunoh d'oh, wrong changelog06:10
FujitsuYeah, there is no change.06:10
FujitsuThat was merged to Debian a little earlier.06:10
crimsunjust request a sync, then tell me the bug #, and I'll Ok it06:11
crimsunsorry, let me actually look06:11
FujitsuBut there is a little difference in the dependencies. Two dependencies were changed for 1.0.1-8ubuntu1.06:11
FujitsuOnly one is back in Debian now.06:11
FujitsuThanks, crimsun.06:12
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FujitsuSurely the GL package dependencies in Debian are correct?06:13
crimsunno, it can't be synced. It still needs a merge.06:13
FujitsuOK, I thought so.06:14
FujitsuBut does it really?06:14
crimsunthe delta for the GL{,u} is valid.06:14
FujitsuThere are no other changes in Debian.06:14
crimsun"libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev, libgl1-mesa-dev | libgl-dev"  is correct.06:14
FujitsuSo a merge will be identical except for the version,.06:14
FujitsuBut is a merge actually necessary if there are no changes?06:15
crimsunthere is a change.06:15
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FujitsuThe changelog and build-deps are the only things that have changed in both Ubuntu and Debian. The Debian change will just be overwritten when the Ubuntu diff is put over the top.06:16
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crimsunok, no.06:17
crimsunI was correct the first time06:17
crimsunit's syncable06:17
crimsunthe reason being Debian's "xlibmesa-gl-dev, libglu1-mesa-dev" is valid for Edgy06:17
FujitsuOK, good good.06:17
FujitsuThanks for checking that.06:17
=== Fujitsu files a bug.
FujitsuBug #5311406:19
UbugtuMalone bug 53114 in space-orbit "Please sync 1.01-8.1 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5311406:19
FujitsuOK, I've done merged the Ubuntu changes for vpnc... Does the changelog want to be left alone when it says it was changed by MoM?06:30
crimsunnope, put your name and e-mail06:31
crimsungenerate the source package, stash the diff.gz+dsc somewhere, and I'll look & upload06:32
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HotwheelzHi guys how are we doing?06:33
FujitsuOK, I'll upload them now.06:34
FujitsuHi, Hotwheelz.06:35
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HotwheelzHi, Fujitsu06:37
HotwheelzI have a question for you06:37
Fujitsucrimsun, http://people.ubuntu-au.org/~fujitsu/vpnc_0.3.3+SVN20051028-3ubuntu1.diff.gz and http://people.ubuntu-au.org/~fujitsu/vpnc_0.3.3+SVN20051028-3ubuntu1.dsc06:37
FujitsuTo the archive?06:41
crimsunnp. Out for coffee, back in a bit.06:43
HotwheelzFujitsu brb06:43
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Fujitsucrimsun, I've got another thing which is just those GL dependencies on the Ubuntu side.06:53
FujitsuFrom `xlibmesa-gl-dev | libgl-dev, xlibmesa-glu-dev | libglu-dev' to `libgl1-mesa-dev | libgl-dev, libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev'06:53
FujitsuI'll be back shortly, lunch beckons.06:56
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crimsunFujitsu: xlibmesa-glu-dev is invalid for both Debian and Ubuntu07:10
FujitsuSo change it to xlibmesa-gl-dev, libglu1-mesa-dev, as was done for space-orbit?07:11
crimsunwhat does Debian have?07:12
Fujitsulibgl1-mesa-dev | libgl-dev, libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev07:12
Fujitsuxlibmesa-gl-dev | libgl-dev, xlibmesa-glu-dev | libglu-dev07:12
FujitsuThat other one was what Ubuntu has now.07:12
crimsunjust add libglu1-mesa-dev as an alternate for xlibmesa-glu-dev07:12
crimsunxlibmesa-gl-dev | libgl-dev, libglu1-mesa-dev | xlibmesa-glu-dev | libglu-dev07:13
crimsun(ideally Debian needs to go libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev)07:13
FujitsuAha. OK.07:13
crimsunvery quickly, this is what's valid:07:14
crimsunfor gl dev: xlibmesa-gl-dev and libgl1-mesa-dev07:14
crimsunfor glu dev: libglu1-mesa-dev07:14
FujitsuAha, thanks.07:15
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fowlduckdo i actually have to meet with someone to get my gpg key signed?07:16
Fujitsufowlduck, if you want to be really proper.07:17
crimsunso, "yes".07:17
FujitsuI must meet with Adam Conrad or somebody...07:17
fowlduckso to submit packages i have to get it signed?07:17
crimsunto submit packages to the Ubuntu archive proper, yes, you do07:18
crimsunto submit packages to REVU, no07:18
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Fujitsucrimsun, care to take a look at http://people.ubuntu-au.org/~fujitsu/trackballs_1.1.1-3ubuntu1.dsc and http://people.ubuntu-au.org/~fujitsu/trackballs_1.1.1-3ubuntu1.diff.gz?07:24
crimsunFujitsu: actually the MoM-generated merge would have sufficed07:29
FujitsuWould it?07:29
FujitsuI think there was a conflict...07:29
FujitsuYou're right.07:29
FujitsuBut the dependencies from the Ubuntu one are wrong, I think.07:30
crimsunfor which binar{y,ies}?07:31
FujitsuBuild dependencies, sorry.07:31
FujitsuOr has MoM got some odd intelligence which allows it to correct them?07:32
crimsunwhich ones look suspicious to you?07:32
FujitsuThe GL ones.07:32
FujitsuThey're missing xlibmesa-gl-dev.07:32
crimsunthe GL ones are fine. The merges are done based on the last Ubuntu package.07:32
crimsun"libgl1-mesa-dev | libgl-dev" works07:33
crimsunnote: 01:14 < crimsun> for gl dev: xlibmesa-gl-dev and libgl1-mesa-dev07:33
crimsunthat "and" should be an "or", actually07:33
FujitsuAh. OK.07:34
crimsunso if the B-D has either xlibmesa-gl-dev or libgl1-mesa-dev, it's fine07:34
FujitsuAhhh. OK.07:34
FujitsuWell, MoM's merge is good then.07:34
FujitsuAnd wininfo is syncable.07:34
crimsunright, attribute yourself, link the updated diff.gz+dsc07:35
crimsunit's good practice, btw, to pbuild these in an edgy pbuilder, too.07:35
FujitsuOK, I haven't got an Edgy one yet, just Dapper and Breezy. I'll build one tomorrow when I get to school... There's some reasonable bandwidth there.07:36
crimsun(I've been going over them and pbuilding prior to upload, so you're fine for now)07:36
FujitsuWell, I've updated the trackballs ones. They are now the MoM-generated ones.07:40
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FujitsuAha, thanks. And I'll file a bug about wininfo.07:47
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FujitsuA quick visit.07:48
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Fujitsucrimsun, bug #53115 is the wininfo one.07:51
UbugtuMalone bug 53115 in wininfo "Please sync 0.7-1.1 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5311507:51
Fujitsudclock looks OK to be synced, except for one thing. A build-dep was added in the last Ubuntu release for makedepend. That isn't in the new Debian version. I can't see why it would be necessary in Ubuntu if it isn't in Debian...07:56
crimsunwell, back in the hoary/breezy days when we started the monolithic->modular split, we split out a lot of packages07:57
fowlduckare there separate webs of trust?  how can I be sure my key is signed into the proper one to submit packages to the ubuntu archives07:57
crimsunso in dapper, we have imake, but in debian sid it's now xutils-dev07:58
FujitsuThe Debian changelog mentions imake.07:58
FujitsuSo, sync it?07:58
crimsunlemme look07:58
FujitsuIt's the only change.07:58
crimsunwell, to answer that we need to build-test07:59
fowlduckcrimsun, is there a specific web of trust I need to be in?08:00
crimsunfowlduck: your key needs to be signed by someone in the strong set08:00
FujitsuMost of them would be interconnected, fowlduck.08:00
fowlduckcrimsun, and is there a way to find them?08:01
crimsunFujitsu: yep, a sync is fine.08:01
Fujitsucrimsun, great!08:01
FujitsuIt's good getting rid of Ubuntu-specific changes...08:01
crimsunfowlduck: every member of the ubuntu-dev LP team is in the strong set, so find one closest to you geographically08:01
FujitsuI really must organise that with infinity...08:02
fowlduckok, so ubuntu-dev LP, can I find them on ubuntu's site or something?08:02
crimsunfowlduck: you're not limited to just ubuntu devs, of course. Anyone in the strong set will do.08:02
fowlduckcrimsun, so how do I determine this?08:02
fowlducki mean, i'm lost here :/08:02
crimsunfowlduck: well, if you haven't gotten your key signed, you aren't in the strong set ;)08:03
fowlduckcrimsun, good, so only 6.5 billion possibilities08:03
crimsunnot quite08:03
crimsunfind someone close to you geographically08:03
crimsunwhere are you located?08:03
fowlduckyes, i'm asking how to find them08:03
fowlduckMadison, WI08:03
FujitsuBug #53116 for the sync, crimsun.08:04
UbugtuMalone bug 53116 in dclock "Please sync 2.1.2-8 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5311608:04
crimsunfowlduck: oh, there are several people closeby08:04
crimsunclose by08:04
fowlducknice! :)08:04
crimsundebian developers08:04
fowlduckwhere are you looking for this?08:04
crimsunyou can use any of the debian and ubuntu geographical locators in addition to biglumber.com08:05
fowlduckgeograpical locators?  link?08:05
fowlduckok, thanks, as usual you rock08:06
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FujitsuDid I hear something about moving back to gksu rather than gksudo in Edgy?08:09
crimsunI'm not familiar w/ it, but it's possible08:09
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fowlduckcrimsun, i have no idea how to use that locator on debian's site...heh08:12
fowlduckahh, i found a wisconsinite08:14
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fowlduckcrimsun, are these ubuntu users or devs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWorldWide08:17
robitaillefowlduck,  both08:18
crimsunsome are devs08:18
fowlduckok, so how do I know who is in the strong set?08:18
crimsunyou can use virtually any keyserver. Basically enter the person's key id and choose the keyanalyze report.08:20
fowlducki meant with the people on that list08:20
fowlducki just found raphink's in google :)08:21
crimsunyou can type their names into the keyanalyze report, too08:23
fowlduckthis is frustrating, maybe i should come back tomorrow and do this08:28
FujitsuDoes CDBS' simple-patchsys just automatically apply all of the patches in debian/patches?08:30
crimsunhmm, repeat08:31
FujitsuIn that case, galculator is fine for syncing. The diff was just to fix a bug which was fixed in the next upstream version.08:32
FujitsuHow often is MoM updated?08:32
crimsunI don't think it has been updated in a couple days08:33
crimsunnot sure, haven't looked more closely lately08:33
FujitsuOK, bug #53117 is for gcalculator. The diff for the new Debian version is HUGE.08:34
UbugtuMalone bug 53117 in galculator "Please sync from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5311708:34
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FujitsuHey Hobbsee!08:41
Hobbseehi all08:41
Hobbseehi Fujitsu :)08:41
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Hobbseehi heretician08:42
=== heretician wishes he could find a package to attack in the first place
HobbseeFujitsu: you need to look?  check merge-o-matic and pick something that looks interesting08:42
Fujitsu(thanks for confirming that, crimsun)08:42
Hobbseeogyou around?08:42
hereticianFujitsu, are you in MOTU?08:42
Fujitsuheretician, no.08:43
Hobbseeheretician: no he isnt08:43
fowlduckHobbsee, you live near wisconsin at all?08:43
FujitsuHobbsee, I've done a few today.08:43
crimsunHobbsee's in .au.08:43
Hobbseefowlduck: nope, why?  i'm in australia08:43
hereticianWelp, going back to my packaging guides08:43
HobbseeFujitsu: yay :)  did you do any of mine? :P08:43
hereticianWhats a merge-o-matic?08:43
fowlduckjust need to hunt someone down in the "GPG strong set"08:43
fowlducki'm having issues08:43
Fujitsuheretician, it's INCREDIBLY useful.08:43
FujitsuMoM is the best thing since sliced bread.08:44
hereticianAfter you have became an experienced packager, correct?08:44
raphinkheretician: there are tons of great apps to package on {KDE,GNOME}-apps.org08:44
Fujitsuheretician, not really.08:44
Hobbseeheretician: see merges.ubuntu.com - tells you what packages need to update, tries to update them, and gives you a list of stuff to fix08:44
fowlduckraphink, i'm using you as my reference for locating people in the strong set :)08:44
raphinkfowlduck: ah really? lol08:44
raphinkhow come?08:45
hereticianHobbsee, well I don't know how to "update" packages yet, let alone fix them hehe-- so by experienced I mean at the limit of being able to troubleshoot a package08:45
Hobbseefowlduck: you really dont need your key signed till you go for MOTU - until then, it's a good idea, but it's not mandatory08:45
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fowlduckjust came up randomly in a google search08:45
Hobbseeheretician: true08:45
raphinkah ok08:45
fowlduckraphink, you've signed 20, i see08:45
Hobbseeraphink: you can sign mine if we meet up one day, if you want.08:45
raphinksure Hobbsee :)08:45
fowlduckraphink, http://www.cs.uu.nl/people/henkp/henkp/pgp/pathfinder/stats/74BF771E.html08:45
Hobbseeraphink: i think i should get jdub to sign my key at some point - that could be fun :)08:45
raphinkif you ever come to the French Riviera08:45
hereticianHobbsee, NP though, the last guide I am going to be reading that LaserJock gave me is extremely detailed-- so hopefully it will cover things like that08:46
raphinkfowlduck: yes I know my PGP page :!)=08:46
hereticianAlthough thanks for the linkage, i'm adding those to my tips rtf hehe08:46
Hobbseeraphink: or we both get to the same developer conference08:46
raphinkHobbsee: that works, too08:46
Hobbseeheretician: that's true.  it does, but rather poorly.08:46
raphinkalthough you would enjoy the coast ;)08:46
raphinkI'm sure08:46
Hobbseeraphink: indeed :_08:46
Hobbseeraphink: maybe sometime i'll get a chance.  in a week, i can get a 10 year passport :)08:46
raphinkhehe great08:47
fowlduckjeeze, no one in wisconsin is in the strong set so far, at least those listed on biglumber08:47
Hobbseefowlduck: who's in the strong set?08:48
fowlduckHobbsee, raphink for one08:48
Hobbseeand if i got signed by a member of the strong set, does that make me in the strong set too, i wonder....08:48
raphinkHobbsee: people who have signed keys of people in the strongset ;)08:48
crimsunHobbsee: yes.08:48
FujitsuHobbsee, I'm pretty sure.08:48
Hobbseeoh yay!08:48
FujitsuHow odd. gip only has a delta because was rebuilt because of a libsigc++ name change. No actual change.08:49
hereticianHobbsee: Any other Guides you would recommend I move on to AFTER https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html ?08:49
raphinkyes Hobbsee08:49
raphinkheretician: did you read the New Maintainer's Guide?08:49
HobbseeFujitsu: ie, that was the change from debian  to ubuntu?08:49
FujitsuHobbsee, yeah.08:49
FujitsuHobbsee, just a changelog change. Nothing else.08:49
hereticianraphink: Wasnt given that one :P08:50
Hobbseeheretician: then try a package, and refer back to any/all of the guides08:50
raphinkheretician: sure you were, I made a strong point to have it as an introduction of the ubuntu packaging guide iirc08:50
HobbseeFujitsu: okay, cd .. and dpkg-source -x the debian source, and check it builds and installs on edgy.  if it does, then you get to request a sync :)08:50
raphinkat least I think I remember so08:51
hereticianraphink: Hrm, well was it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo08:51
Hobbseeraphink: it's at the end, iirc08:51
FujitsuHobbsee, I haven't got an Edgy pbuilder yet (not enough bandwidth here, I'll build one at school tomorrow).08:51
raphinkheretician: go to the Additional Ressources in the end of the Ubuntu Packaging GUide08:51
raphinkthe first link there is the DNMG08:51
HobbseeFujitsu: okay, nice, did you want me to test build it from here, then you can request a sync if it succeeds?08:52
fowlduckis there an easier way to locate those in the strong set in your area?08:52
FujitsuYes please, Hobbsee. crimsun's probably getting a little tired of testing mine :)08:52
HobbseeFujitsu: heh, he'll probably want to test anyway, if he's going to upload it.08:52
Hobbseeno, wait, if it's a sync, before he acks it.08:53
hereticianraphink: Yup, I see them now-- Well I haven't got to that guide yet anyway08:53
raphinkheretician: this is the reference guide08:53
raphinkfor Debian08:53
hereticianraphink: So many :(08:53
raphinkthen if you still want to read, read Policy08:53
raphinkat least a bit of it08:53
fowlduckaha! i found one08:53
fowlduckand only a 2 hour drive08:54
raphinkfowlduck: honestly, if you're wanting to get involved in FOSS, you'll find people to sign your key at the next linux event you'll attend08:55
raphinkprolly Debian or Ubuntu people08:55
raphinksince most other projects don't bother with keys08:55
fowlduckthere aren't many in my area08:55
Hobbseefowlduck: and it's really not that big a deal - you will meet people who can do it08:55
raphinkfowlduck: aren't many what? linux events?08:55
=== Hobbsee said that too. well, that she couldnt meet up with any of them.
fowlduckaren't that many events...at least that I know of08:55
raphinkfowlduck: where are you?08:56
fowlduckmadison, WI, USA08:56
raphinkhow about these people ? http://www.madisonlinux.org/08:56
fowlduckyeah, i emailed them08:56
fowlduckirc channel is dead08:57
fowlduckrather recent update but nothing about when they meet08:57
fowlducksmall world: http://wistechnology.com/events.php08:59
fowlduckscroll down to MATC IT Education Open House08:59
fowlduckfollow that link and scroll all the way down to the bottom08:59
fowlduckthat's me on the bottom right08:59
fowlducki feel proud09:00
HobbseeFujitsu: go ahead and file the merge report for gip, it builds and installs fine09:00
HobbseeFujitsu: s/merge report/sync request/09:01
Hobbseecrimsun: want to ack Fujitsu's sync request when it gets done?09:01
fowlduckwell, goodnight09:02
fowlduckcrimsun, thanks for everything, as usual09:02
crimsunsure, just link09:02
crimsunI'm out for a bit but will check back in 20 mins09:03
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Hobbseehi tuxmaniac09:10
tuxmaniacHobbsee> howdy?09:10
Hobbseetuxmaniac: i'm okay :)  snuck out from work :D09:11
crimsunFujitsu: anything in Ubuntu universe that's a -XbuildY can be synced09:20
Hobbseecrimsun: well, yeah, but do we know that for sure?09:22
crimsunotherwise we use ubuntu instead of build09:22
StevenK-XbuildY is a no-change upload to rebuild the package09:23
StevenKPeople going for -dev should know this. :-P09:23
Hobbseei realise that09:23
HobbseeStevenK: i knew that, i was merely thinking of those packages that build in debian, but ftbfs in ubuntu.09:24
Hobbseeof which i've seen a couple09:24
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Hobbseewell, i've seen a couple this cycle.09:24
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HotwheelzHi I have a question for package developer in here can I ask that one pls dcc chat me thanks :-)09:50
Hotwheelzfor a sorry09:50
HobbseeHotwheelz: i doubt you'll get anyone answering to that.09:53
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crimsunHotwheelz: pretty much the only time private queries make sense is for a security-related issue; otherwise we're all eyes.09:55
Hotwheelzok then09:56
Hotwheelzif i run a packages search 4 Mythtv only 0.18 packages show up latest build is 0.19 when will the repositry\s be updated to reflect this?09:56
crimsundapper will not be updated to use 0.19*09:57
crimsunI believe FunnyLookinHat is working to integrate mythtv 0.19* into multiverse09:57
FujitsuOops. I'm back now.09:57
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Fujitsucrimsun, bug #53122 is the gip sync request.09:57
UbugtuMalone bug 53122 in gip "Please sync from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5312209:57
HobbseeFujitsu: heya :)09:57
FujitsuThanks Hobbsee :)09:57
FujitsuI was coaxed into playing a board-game with my 7 and 12 year-old siblings.09:58
FujitsuVery painful it was.09:58
FujitsuBut parents can be persuasive.09:58
Hotwheelzhey Fujitsu09:58
crimsunFujitsu: done.09:59
FujitsuThanks, crimsun.09:59
crimsunout for the morning, back later.09:59
Hotwheelzfunnylooking are u there09:59
FujitsuAnd now I'm being told that sitting at the computer all day is unhealthy, and thus I must leave it. (even though I was up for a couple of hours before, and away for a couple of hours today... and what else is there to do!?)10:00
HobbseeFujitsu: my parents stopped telling me that a while ago :)10:00
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FujitsuSaying I'm doing work doesn't work...10:01
FujitsuIt's stupid.10:01
HobbseeFujitsu: well, they never see the uni work anyway, so...10:01
FujitsuNow they're making excuses. For example, they're saying I'll get deep-vein thrombosis.10:03
FujitsuThis is the first time they've brought such pathetic excuses into it.10:03
hereticianCarpel tunnel.10:05
hereticianCarpal* that is10:05
heretician"Initial treatment generally involves resting the affected hand and wrist for at least 2 weeks" two whole weeks!10:07
Hobbseeah yes, there's a package under that name.10:08
Hobbseersi does happen10:08
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hereticianMinesweeper? People play that game?10:08
Hobbseeheretician: sure, its' a great game!10:09
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hereticianToo much Linux for you!10:09
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hereticianIm not mathematical at all hehe ;/10:09
hereticianI wish more people would get on Atlantik10:09
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hereticianWhat's that10:10
Hobbsee!info ksudoku10:10
ubotuksudoku: sudoku puzzle generator/solver. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.3-3ubuntu2 (dapper), package size 117 kB, installed size 356 kB10:10
hereticianPuzzles, now that's more my genre10:10
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imbrandonmoins all10:36
zakamehi imbrandon and all10:39
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FujitsuWhat's with ilohamail's version numbers!?11:24
Fujitsu0.8.14-0rc3sarge1, 0.8.14-0rc3sid2...11:24
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Hobbseehi all01:42
phanatichello Hobbsee01:47
FujitsuHi Hobbsee.01:47
Hobbseehi phanatic, Fujitsu :)01:47
Toadstoolhi everybody01:47
FujitsuHey Toadstool.01:48
Toadstoolheya Fujitsu01:48
Hobbseehi Toadstool01:48
Toadstoolhi Hobbsee01:49
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phanatichey Toadstool01:52
Toadstoolhi phanatic01:52
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ryanakcahow do you move a bug from edgy to dapper in launchpad... I just reported a bug... and it's listed in edgy... even though its a dapper bug04:30
Hobbseeryanakca: you dont?  what's the bug #?04:37
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ryanakcaHobbsee: I dont what? #5314504:39
Hobbseebug 5314504:39
UbugtuMalone bug 53145 in courier-pop "Missing configuration file for courier-pop. Does not install." [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5314504:39
ryanakcaHobbsee: oh... then I need to set that bug to rejected and somehow reported it to dapper.04:39
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Hobbseeryanakca: firstly, what's the source package for courier-pop?04:40
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ryanakcaHobbsee: fixed.04:53
Hobbseeryanakca: i'd just add "on dapper" to the description of the bug04:55
ryanakcaHobbsee: courier04:55
ryanakcadone, ty :)04:56
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FunnyLookinHatCrap!  I missed my big debut!05:12
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FunnyLookinHat: )05:14
Hobbseehi Yagisan!05:16
HobbseeFunnyLookinHat: what's up?05:16
FunnyLookinHathey Hobbsee   : )05:16
FunnyLookinHatDid you all see that mdz is on the front page of /. ?05:16
HobbseeFunnyLookinHat: nope05:17
FunnyLookinHatmdz = Matt Zimmerman05:17
Hobbseeyeah, yeah, i realise that05:18
FunnyLookinHatAhh ok,   I only found out by accident  : )05:20
FunnyLookinHatwell I must be going.   gotta get showered for church   : )   cya Hobbsee05:21
Hobbseecya :)05:21
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Arbiteris there any reviewer?05:44
Arbitercan someone review my smartpm package located here: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2709 - splitted because requested here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartPackageManager - thanks a lot05:52
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freeflying|awayArbiter: smart is alredy in debian and ubuntu06:01
Arbiterfreeflying|away, i know06:02
Arbiterbut a split was requested here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SmartPackageManager06:02
Arbitersplit into smartpm & smartpm-gtk packages06:02
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Arbiter"The package needs to be split into a smart package and a smart-gtk package to make it feasible for server installs."06:03
freeflying|awayArbiter: have talked with mvo?06:03
Arbiterfreeflying|away, Last Seen: 1 week 4 days (23h 43m 29s) ago06:03
Arbiteri thought that was better to start making the package06:03
Arbiterit can be always archived06:04
Arbiterbut if approved the package would be alredy done06:04
freeflying|awayArbiter: u'd better talk with mvo, he is the maintainer  :)06:04
HobbseeArbiter: he doenst bite.  much.06:05
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Hobbseenight freeflying|away06:05
ArbiterHobbsee, heh :D06:05
Hobbseeguess it is bedtime, hey...06:05
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Hobbseeand testing.06:05
Arbiterit's 6pm here :D06:05
HobbseeArbiter: 2am monday here06:06
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=== Arbiter packages libgimp2.0-cil
YagisanHobbsee: sure you'll go to bed. we believe you ...06:15
HobbseeYagisan: hehe.  no, i will.  just not sure at what time yet.06:15
YagisanHobbsee: how have you been ? I've had some problems with my eyes recently :(06:16
HobbseeYagisan: i'm okay :)  been doing lots of merging, etc, i go for MOTU on wednesday06:17
Hobbseeany MOTU's around to approve a sync request?06:17
UbugtuMalone bug 53153 in camorama "[Edgy MoM]  Please sync camorama  0.17-5 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Confirmed] 06:17
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YagisanHobbsee: good luck on Wednesday06:18
HobbseeYagisan: thanks :)06:18
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Hobbseeoh good, cheops should be a sync too.06:20
Hobbseeanyway, i'm going to bed.  night all06:20
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ArbiterI ask for package review - name: libgimp-cli - Uploaded to revu (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2714)07:51
ArbiterPackage availability: Debian: No - Ubuntu: No07:51
ArbiterThanks a lot07:51
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cypher1finding out that building a package is not easy ;)08:30
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carthikso how do I work to bring my favourite universe package up to date with the latest versions in Debian? Like gmailfs, armagetron etc?10:19
crimsuncarthik: gmailfs is a merge assigned (tentatively) to bmonty10:22
crimsunfeel free to work on it and stash a merged srcpkg somewhere so we can check and upload it10:22
carthikcrimsun, thank you - since it is "taken" i'd rather spend my time elsewhere, I guess.10:25
crimsuncarthik: it's not at all "taken"10:25
crimsunthe assignment is simply "who last touched it"10:25
crimsunit's not at all binding10:25
carthikcrimsun, may I ask where you found info regarding who it was assigned to tentatively?10:26
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crimsuncarthik: http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html10:27
carthikcrimsun, I'm sorry but the report page sounds confusing ( http://merges.ubuntu.com/g/gmailfs/REPORT )10:31
crimsuncarthik: what do you find confusing about it?10:31
carthikcrimsun, where I can download the gmailfs_0.7.1-6ubuntu1.src.tar.gz package mentioned there to manually check the conflicts?10:32
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crimsuncarthik: you probably want to read http://merges.ubuntu.com/10:33
carthikcrimsun, sorry I just did - I see that grab-merge.sh might help. Thanks.10:33
crimsun(note that gmailfs can be synced)10:35
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carthikcrimsun, and how did you learn that? was it by looking at the src ?10:37
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LaserJockcrimsun: is packages.qa.debian.org working for you?10:40
crimsunLaserJock: no10:40
crimsuncarthik: yes, I compared the Ubuntu delta with the current Debian source package10:40
carthikthanks, crimsun. I'm still very confused with the process, but will experiment a little and learn. For gmailfs - I suppose you'd just do a sync, or do i need to file a bug requesting a sync?10:41
crimsuncarthik: you may file a bug against the gmailfs source package saying it's ok to override Ubuntu changes. Then let a MOTU know the URL so he can sign off on it10:46
carthikcrimsun, so is there a recommended place for me to upload the src package to?10:47
crimsuncarthik: you don't need to upload anything for a sync request10:48
imbrandoncrimsun, whats the protocal request http://merges.ubuntu.com/h/helix-player/REPORT is just synced10:48
crimsunimbrandon: file a bug against the helix-player source package saying it's ok to override Ubuntu changes, and let a MOTU know the URL so he can sign off on it10:48
LaserJockhmm, maybe that might be a good bot item to add10:50
imbrandonLaserJock, probable10:50
imbrandonhrm crimsun it looks like helix ftbs since pre-dapper though ;(10:50
imbrandonnot good10:50
crimsunit will ftbfs on at least a couple arches10:51
carthikcrimsun, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gmailfs/+bug/53177 - what could I do to make it better - should I subscribe any team to it?10:51
UbugtuMalone bug 53177 in gmailfs "Please sync gmailfs" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 10:51
crimsuncarthik: yes, normally you would subscribe the 'ubuntu-archive' team10:51
imbrandoncrimsun, it looks like on dapper and edgy ALL arches ftbs ( no binarys except in breezy )10:51
crimsuncarthik: but we request that you don't do that, since a MOTU will do that10:52
LaserJockcarthik: also it is generally good to put what ever specifically to sync10:52
LaserJockwhat version specifically to sync10:52
carthikwhoops - I just did that... crimsun. Sorry.10:52
imbrandoncrimsun, can you poke the url and make sure i'm reading this right that there has never been a binary in dapper or edgy that builds ( https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+search?text=helix-player )10:53
crimsuncarthik: yes, we request that you don't subscribe u-a because of possible adjustments, which will spam u-a10:53
carthikLaserJock, thanks, I changed the description to include the version number10:53
carthikcrimsun, I'm sorry, I subscribed u-a before I could read you saying I shouldn't - won't happen again.10:54
crimsunbug 5317710:54
UbugtuMalone bug 53177 in gmailfs "Please sync gmailfs 0.7.1-6 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5317710:54
carthikThanks, crimsun :)10:55
crimsunimbrandon: the ubuntu delta caused a ftbfs, yes10:57
crimsunimbrandon: however, 1.0.6-3 is available10:57
imbrandon1.0.7-1 is avail in sid10:58
crimsunright, so file a sync request10:59
imbrandondoing so now10:59
crimsunremember /not/ to subscribe ubuntu-archive10:59
tsengcrimsun: not?10:59
imbrandontseng, not till a motu checks it10:59
crimsuntseng: right, the MOTU should do that when he signs off on it to avoid spamming u-a if any changes like above have to be made11:00
tsengI dont even know who is a motu anymore11:00
tsengand who is just a sponsored upload11:00
bluefoxicyI think I'm a sponsored upload or something11:01
bluefoxicythey made me click some sign up button11:01
imbrandontseng, i'm still a hopefull for a bit longer , hopefully i'll feel confident enough in the next ~30 days to go up to the TB for motu 11:01
bluefoxicyI didn't really pay much attention11:01
imbrandoncrimsun, bug 5317811:01
UbugtuMalone bug 53178 in helix-player "please sync 1.0.7-1 from debian sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/5317811:01
LaserJocktseng: http://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev :)11:02
tsengLaserJock: not terribly concerned about it11:02
crimsunimbrandon: done.11:02
bluefoxicytseng:  btw ubuntu seems to be doing --no-execstack now with gcrypt, you can close #4919211:02
imbrandoncrimsun, thanks11:02
tsengLaserJock: ill assume the tb doesnt randomly approve people11:02
tsengbluefoxicy: you cant?11:03
LaserJocktseng: well, that's a different thing altogether ;-)11:03
crimsunmore coffee.11:03
bluefoxicytseng:  should I close it "fix released" for just a fix released on edgy though?  I don't know if Dapper has added the flag11:03
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tsengdapper is done.11:03
bluefoxicyit's a matter of debian/rules, not patching or upgrading.  That doesn't fall into -updates?11:04
tsengdoes it really need to?11:05
bluefoxicyIt's not my distro.11:05
tsengthis is pretty niche stuff seeing as we dont have a pax kernel11:05
bluefoxicyBut fixing it gets an executable stack off some 13 things11:05
bluefoxicywell, gaim will have an executable stack on amd64 with gcrypt having an executable stack.11:05
tsengit is your distro, and you could take the effort to fix something11:05
tsengor close your own bug11:05
tsenginstead of just whining11:06
tsengits kid stuff to add a configure flag to a source package and ask for it to be reviewed for -updates11:06
tsengi would ACK it, but i wont do the work11:07
bluefoxicytseng:  nods.  How would I go about doing that?11:07
tsenggrab the source package in dapper11:08
tsengapply your change, build a new source package11:08
tsengand make a debdiff11:08
bluefoxicymake a debdiff?11:08
tsengdebdiff foo.dsc bar.dsc11:08
bluefoxicytseng:  I did mention this was already fixed in edgy right?11:09
tsengis it exactly the same version and revision?11:09
tsengwell, one rev off11:09
tsengdoubt it.11:09
tseng1.2.2-1 in dapper11:10
tseng-2 in edgy11:10
tsengexcept that there are possibly other changes11:11
tsengand that isnt the right versioning11:11
tsengit would be 1.1 or something11:11
tsengright so -2 is a huge diff11:11
tsengwe need just the one change11:11
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bluefoxicytseng: easy enough.11:12
tsengmake the changelog like11:12
tsenglibgcrypt11 1.2.2-1.1 dapper-updates11:12
bluefoxicytseng:  if you're interested btw take a look at bug #49192, the first comment lists everything that was running on my machine with a +X stack because of gcrypt, which will all be magically fixed.11:13
UbugtuMalone bug 49192 in libgcrypt11 "libgcrypt11 has an executable stack" [Untriaged,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/4919211:13
bluefoxicyoh.  I see you already have.11:13
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bluefoxicytseng:  it's just a source package so building it on edgy won't matter rightL?11:20
tsengright, if you get the changelog right11:20
tsengyou should test it on dapper11:20
bluefoxicytseng I got this massive diff11:22
bluefoxicytseng:  I'm going to rebuild the source package for the original, and then for the modified one, and debdiff.  That should buff out these changes-I-didn't-make11:24
bluefoxicyI mean what the hell one of them changed the address of the FSF11:24
bluefoxicyI downloaded the package on my dapper machine and scp'd it over here11:25
LaserJockthe address of FSF changed, some packages haven't reflected that11:26
bluefoxicyLaserJock:  no, I mean11:26
bluefoxicyI did an apt-source libgcrypt11; went into the source tree, added a changelog entry and a line to rules; dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa -rfakeroot; stepped out of the source tree and debdiffed the .dsc apt-source got and teh one I just made11:27
bluefoxicyand came up with thousands of changes.11:27
Laser_awaymake sure you're diffing the right versions11:28
bluefoxicyi gotta go for a bit, be back later11:28
bluefoxicyLaser_away:  the directory I started with was empty, there's only two dsc's here, the one apt got and teh one I made out of it11:29
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shawarmaHmm.. I'm just getting started on these merges.. If I find a package that was merged just fine, all I need to do is change the Merge-O-Matic thing in the changelog to my name and e-mail, no?12:05
tsengyou dont need to change it if you didnt change anything12:05
tsengonly if you made notable changes12:05
shawarmatseng: Really? Has this always been the case?12:06
shawarmaI'm ALMOST sure someone told me to put my own name there instead of MoM back in the breezy days.12:06
tsengyou can change it if you like but there is no reason12:06
shawarmaI think the rationale was that that way it was clear that it had been reviewed (and by whom) and that it wasn't an accidental upload of an automatic merge.12:07

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