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[05:55] crimsun: hey, thx for ponging [05:56] crimsun: are you a freenode people? [05:56] mhz: meaning "am I FN staff member"? No, I'm not. [05:57] nalioth is, as is rob [05:57] crimsun: oh, okis [05:57] good to know [05:57] those are their nicks? [05:57] yes [05:58] thx, a lot [05:58] np :-) [05:59] crimsun: know if Seveas is from FN? [05:59] mhz: no, he is not [06:00] Burgundavia: oh, good. thx, too. === lecaros_away [n=JoseLeca@219-12-223-201.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-6-76-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:53] mhz: you can also look for HedgeMadge [06:53] she stepped down from staff in the short run [06:53] ahh [06:55] okis, jsgotangco thx [06:56] jsgotangco: i wathced ESPN and I thought I would see ya on TV [06:56] err? [06:57] yeah, XGames in Guadalumpur [06:57] or something like that [06:58] Kuala Lumpur [06:58] that's like 3 hours away from me by plane [06:58] :P [06:58] oooh, not that close [06:58] but yeah XGames qualifiers are always done in KL probably beside the Petronas Towers [06:59] very nice guys doing very difficult stuff [06:59] indedd [06:59] its always humid there [06:59] i sometimes go there for holiday or if i have money to splurge for F1 === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [07:02] hey ogra, jsgotangco [07:03] hey === jsgotangco is pretty idle at work atm [07:03] as usual? [07:04] lol [07:06] jsgotangco: :) === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is now known as mhz_zZzZ [07:27] jsgotangco: buona notte === mhz_zZzZ [n=mhz@pc-84-84-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === bimberi_ [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu === Starting logfile irclogs/edubuntu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #edubuntu === Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | Read before installing: http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted === Topic (#edubuntu): set by ogra at Sat Jul 8 12:25:38 2006 === iGotNoTime [n=joshua@cpe-65-189-240-199.woh.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [08:48] hello I have a question about Edubuntu... in multimedia systems selector can both the input and output of the audio tab be set to ALSA? [08:49] yes, but both default to alsa already. [08:49] autoselect -> alsa, oss, null (in that order) [08:49] well I adjusted my mixer and both volume and mic input work [08:49] however in the systems selector I click test the mic and it freezes [08:50] 'it' being...? [08:50] also in sound recorder when I play a file it is ok but when I record it freezes too [08:50] the menu [08:50] the software [08:51] yet I can hear the mic when I allow mic monitoring [08:51] ok, in M.S.S., change the default audio source [08:51] choose custom [08:51] ok to what? [08:51] any suggestion? [08:52] then in the text entry box, type: alsasrc device=plughw:0 [08:52] sorry for being ok [08:52] :) [08:52] then click Test === Starting logfile irclogs/edubuntu.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #edubuntu === Topic for #edubuntu: Order: http://shipit.edubuntu.org || Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu || http://www.edubuntu.org | Wiki: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki | MEETING: every Wednesday see http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuMeetingAgenda | Read before installing: http://www.edubuntu.org/gettingstarted === Topic (#edubuntu): set by ogra at Sat Jul 8 12:25:38 2006 === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [09:40] question anyone: is it "normal" in an edubuntu install to get a blank screen with just two while blocks [] at about 60% of the way through "select & install software" ... for 5 -> 10 mins before the CD drive ejects and you get the boot menu ? [09:40] white <- while :P [09:47] errr [09:47] did you do the install using the livecd? [09:50] no that's not normal btw [09:50] hi ... installed from 6.06 ... [09:53] its probably your display adapter acting up [09:53] could be my "unusual" set up ... HP notebook without internal CD ... so I was plugged into docking station with CD and external monitor ... [09:53] it'll just black out for a few seconds when the display adapter is configured if you installed it with the text install [09:53] but the install went fine? [09:53] was not just a few secs :) at 1:00 am this morning I figured it was a hard hang ... had to hold my power off for 15 secs to get a shutdown [09:53] 90% of the way complete this morning ... now at the GRUB screen ... [09:53] (was a bit more patient this morning, but almost thought there was a problem again) [09:53] did you burn the cd or used a pressed one? [09:53] Spanking new Official CD ... from JaneW's store :) [09:53] well either of the two did you check if the cd is good? [09:54] yeah the pressed one has a higher chance of having a good install [09:54] I will try that when complete ... the check CD option ... [09:54] but installing from a liveCD shouldn't take more than an hour after partitioning [09:54] My guess is that the display stuff is configured at around 60%, wasn;t 100% okay for my display setup - and then I did not see any more progress update while the ramining 40% completed [09:55] because it just copies stuff [09:55] ahh [09:55] oh okay so you mean you reinstalled again when you thought it failed right? [09:55] yeah ... and seems okay now ... at GRUB [09:56] but did have a panic after hard reboot ... cannot load operating system ... thought my XP install was gone [09:57] (new XP no data - but OEM for which I have no CD) but went back into Edubuntu install & fiddled with NTFS partition ... and set to bootable [09:57] yeah that can be hairy [09:58] may freak out a newbie Windows to Linux convert ... luckily I remembered some partition stuff from my DOS FDisk days ... (about 15 years ago :) [09:58] the graphical installer does need some work on the partitioning part [09:58] its part of the TODO for this cycle [09:59] and this brought up an issue we must look at ... if someone is relying on online help, and, and has only 1 PC, and then gets it into an unbootable state ... how do they look for forum help ? [09:59] yeah its been brought up before [10:00] i think what would be nce is to have a printable quick install page [10:00] the current one is rater terse since it was taken from upstream [10:00] yep ... especially one that says: if you have only one PC ... PRINT THIS document before you start :) [10:01] with the panic issues addressed in easy FAQ style ... [10:01] yeah [10:01] all appliances do have a simple troubleshooting page [10:01] and the cover sleeve itself needs to have it indicated as well i guess [10:02] again ... need to encourage the installee to print ... maybe in hitchhikers guide style large friendly letters :) [10:03] it can be available when the user is in windows and inserts the cd [10:03] the winfoss stuff pops up [10:04] okay ... i only booted clean from CD ... didn't go the insert while running windows route ... [10:04] yeah win32 versions of office, gaim, firefox are also in the cd [10:05] i did know that but did not intend to run under windows ... so did not bother ... [10:05] ahh [10:05] i guess its not printed clearly [10:05] heh [10:07] perhaps we should suggest it on the sleeve "If you have an existing windows system insert while running windows to get a quick guide", with an autorun and some print suggestions ... [10:07] yeah [10:07] i think a 5 page pdf or html would suffice [10:08] more than enough ... not big issues, but could be a showstopper ... we don't want to lose a potential convert [10:08] yeah [10:08] maybe i should make a spec === jsgotangco digs for old specs that look like such [10:09] i'll keep a note of this all ... and will bring it up ... also found some good external site guides that helped me in preparing the whole dual boot thing. [10:10] yeah sometimes we're so engrossed in creating a document with all the features that we take for granted one of the biggest showstoppers to most users is actually installing it ;) [10:12] and as I said to someone yesterday, we are "competing with a pre-installed OS" so we have to make it super easy [10:13] macOSX? [10:13] heh [10:13] or the "Human Beings" may just default back to "path of least resistance [10:13] kidding [10:14] :) [10:15] will leave you alone for a bit now ... about to finish off at GRUB prompt ... any suggested offical Ubuntu help links on what to do from here (to keep dual boot) ? [10:15] help.ubuntu.com has all the documents from the distro as well as a "getting there" comprehensive guide from the community to get you started in your desktop [10:16] like codecs, printer setup, sharing, etc. [10:17] thanks ... just not 100% clear what the GRUB prompt will do from here ... is it just asking me to select a boot option for install purposes, or is it going to set primary boot option ?r [10:18] it just asks you that it detected the OS installed and will add it to GRUB if you just hit enter, it'll just have XP as the 2nd option and Ubuntu will be the default OS to boot [10:19] okay ... tx ... pressing on [10:19] im just online and a bit idle at the moment just in case [10:21] thanks ... may ask for some help when i install Ubuntu on the next partition if i get stuck ... (want to have both bootable for demo) ... and may add Kubuntu for the same reason. === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:35] mornin all [10:35] mornin RichEd__ [10:35] yo [10:35] 'lo cbx33 [10:35] hey jsgotangco [10:36] RichEd__: gonna get that spreadsheet underway today [10:36] I was thinking although wiki would be good for colab, it's not gonna work for the formulae [10:36] we'll have to exchange files [10:37] okay ... will be a little busy ... (still setting up) ... but get it going [10:39] no no that's fine === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has joined #edubuntu === DanielC [n=daniel@82.151.249.90.adsl.griffin.net.uk] has left #edubuntu [] === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=c2df514b@84-45-197-14.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@196.211.88.182] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === Fujitsu_ [n=Fujitsu@c211-28-178-169.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === Fujitsu_ is now known as Fujitsu === RichEd has a successful edubuntu install :))) [11:58] yay [12:00] w00t [12:00] ogra: can I ask a quick question [12:00] I can't seem to find the copyright holders for some of the human icons I've used [12:00] in the ubuntu-artwork pacakge [12:01] human cons should all be described in the debian/copyright file of the artwork package [12:01] that's what I thought [12:01] they're not [12:01] if there is still something missing probably dholbach knows who to contact (no idea if he did anything with human) [12:02] ah unless [12:04] must say it looks very slick :) [12:09] ogra: do i smell knot-1 coming? [12:10] jsgotangco, YES ! :) [12:10] is it build already? [12:10] looks like i made it :) [12:10] yep [12:10] where do i grab it? [12:10] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/ [12:10] live is broken [12:10] hmm [12:10] casper issue? [12:10] but install looks very good [12:11] yep [12:11] ill grab amd54 [12:11] err 64 [12:11] i'm just trying to rsync on top of a dapper iso ... [12:11] not really helping ... ETA 2h [12:12] ill just see how it goes before dawn [12:12] =) [12:12] jsgotangco: ping for a quick question or two ? [12:12] sure [12:12] does my swap partition take care if itself ? i don't see it as a volume ? [12:12] jsgotangco, thanks for the nes update btw [12:13] *news [12:13] RichEd: nope [12:13] its like a windows scratch disk, you can't see it but its there [12:14] and its being used [12:14] when needed [12:15] ogra: no worries, it seems mgalvin disappeared all of a sudden so i guess Ridell sent it? [12:15] yep [12:15] thanks ... and another q: i created a fat32 "common" partition ... which i see as a folder off the root of my File System ... does it not appear as a seperate drive like XP sees it ? [12:15] ill try sending it myself next time just in case mgalvin still MIA [12:16] the filesystem has no concept of "drives" [12:16] just files and folders [12:16] hence your partition is just a folder [12:17] even devices are treated as files [12:17] (excuse the language) but i mean as I see my NTFS partition called: hda1 as an icon on my desktop ... [12:18] RichEd: how can you mutter such profanity [12:18] ;) === RichEd washes out my mouth with *strong* soap [12:19] hehe, it's ok, I have to administrate a windows network in my current position [12:20] note: i ask dumb questions but i usually learn quickly [12:20] there are no dumb questions :P [12:20] RichEd: yeah, its normal, we have it as a feature to automatically mount windows partitions [12:21] but yeah hda is you real HD [12:22] its actually mounted in /media [12:23] jsgotangco: hi-dy ho [12:23] well not really the entire HD ... as i also see hda5 & hda6 icons on the desktop which are just (unformatted) partitions waiting for my Ubuntu & Kubuntu alternate boot installs [12:23] JaneW: boo [12:24] jsgotangco: looks like RichEd wil need to give you some Amarula when he meets you :) [12:24] q: is there a way of seeing the FAT32 partition as a "root level object like hda1" and not just as a folder \common [12:25] you mean mount it and see it in your desktop in a different name? [12:25] JaneW: i'll probably not decline that then [12:25] ahhh yes (i think that's what i mean) [12:26] sure [12:26] the howto is available in the documentation under Desktop Guide [12:27] System->Help->System Documentation === RichEd rtfm [12:27] Ubuntu Desktop Guide -> Configuring Your System -> Partitions and Booting [12:27] you need to dig into the console though [12:28] not sure if Disk Administration will handle it automatically [12:28] hmm maybe it does [12:28] System -> Administration -> Disks [12:28] then click the Partitions Tab [12:31] bbl dinner === jsgotangco is now known as jsgAFK === jinty [n=jinty@213-156-52-99.fastres.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:34] RichEd: i'll just afk for a while and be back in an hour or two [12:35] not a problem ... i have enough to fiddle around with ... nothing critical ... just questions for understanding ... === RichEd buries his head in the manual === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [12:39] hey rodarvus [12:40] good morning [12:40] hi cbx33! [12:40] howz it all going [12:41] good, still feeling a bit dizzy, as its still monday early morning in here ;) [12:41] *garfield effect [12:41] you had lasagne yesterday ? [12:41] :) [12:42] haha === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #edubuntu [12:43] hey ogra :) [12:44] hey JaneW :) [12:44] ogra: how's your house move? All done yet? [12:44] nope [12:44] i [12:44] 'm in the old house to mop up the last furniture this week === ogra kicks his ' key ... its way to near to the enter key on that new laptop [12:45] ogra: oic. Your pets moved already? [12:45] ogra, the ' is notoriously troublesome for me too! [12:45] they moved two weeks before paris [12:46] cool [12:46] i did little tours with a van on the last weekends, but the big truck for the bigger pieces is planned for next weekend ... [12:48] ogra: good luck, has been a slog huh! [12:53] ogra if I have a patch for one of the man pages in ltsp that I wrote how do I go about it? [12:54] you update your bzr branch to the ltsp-mainline one, add your change, commit it and i merge it [12:55] ok cool [12:55] thanks ogra === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu [01:01] cbx33, btw, the rsyncer script on my people account is updated for edgy [01:02] :D [01:03] i should probably add a --release switch [01:03] oooh good idea [01:04] once you're all done with that let me know and I'll fit grasynco to it === yvesC [n=yves@zenobi.ycombe.net] has joined #edubuntu === Rondom [n=Rondom@p54AEF032.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === Nuffing [n=JaneW@196.211.88.182] has joined #edubuntu [01:52] quick confirm question please: can multiple boots (Ubuntu & Edubuntu) all safely share the same swap volume ? will they each just mount & use swap at startup without intefereing with each others files (I presume temp swap files are cleared at shutdown) ? [01:55] sorry partition not volume :P [01:57] RichEd: yes, they can [01:58] and they should, in fact :) [01:58] a swap partition (and also a swap file, for that matter) is basically a continued part of the ram memory - in other words, completely volatile between reboots [02:00] rodarvus: hi ... thanks ... just confirming that my understanding translates across worlds :) [02:01] it sure does :) [02:01] you'll be glad to know my Edubuntu is up & running ... minor glitches (display went blank 60% of the way through software install phase) prolly due to unusual external monitor ... [02:02] at 1:00 am I thought it was a hang ... but with more patience in daylight ... i waited for it to get through to completion [02:02] now trying to add Ubuntu boot (converting dual-boot XP - Edubuntu to tri-boot) [02:04] nice, good to know :) [02:04] you'll probably have to manually change stuff on the boot loader to handle ubuntu + edubuntu together [02:04] as both of them will want to "have control" over the MBR [02:05] interesting - booted into Ubuntu CD to access GParted and linux-swap partition now has a lock ion ... didn't see this last night on first run of GParted ... is Ubuntu now taking advantage of the partition it did not have before ? [02:06] rodarvus: noted boot loader comments ... will keep this MS xchat session open for necessary words of wisdom :) [02:06] yes, it is already using the swap partition [02:06] but you can order the installer to stop using the swap partition, if necessary (just click with right button on it, I think) [02:07] no need is there ? was just a query from me ... don't see any problems ... === RichEd says "ooooh I like the sexy Ubuntu graphic install interface ... sweeter than Edubuntu ASCII" [02:09] RichEd, we cant put ltsp n the liveCD, else we'd have switched too [02:09] *on [02:10] not knocking anything ... just impressed that's all :) [02:11] also the gui installer needs *at least* 256MB [02:13] how much our text based install needs? [02:14] 256 is a *lot* of space, I didn't knew it needed all that much [02:14] i think 96MB [02:14] quick question for my interest: when I built my partition table last night, there are a few unallocated MBs ... is this just disk space on the border of partitions that is unable to be allocated due to cluster / partition size ? [02:15] but i'm not sure ... might even be smaller [02:15] (2 unallocated areas = 1.96MB and 5.26MB) [02:15] RichEd: on the end of the disk, you mean? [02:15] some times (very little) unallocated space remains on the end of the disk [02:15] but I never saw unallocated space between partitions [02:16] RichEd: I'm just guessing, but if this is the case, it might be a bug in the partitioner (did you created the partitions using the Ubuntu graphical installer?) [02:17] yes ... [02:17] spaces are in the middle - i have 3 primaries (ntfs - swap - ext3 = Edubuntu) and 1 extended [02:18] (again, just guessing) Kamion mentioned the current partitioning tool of the graphical installer is not as reliable as it could be - he is rewriting it from scratch (?) I think [02:18] extended contains unallocated 1 + ext3 for Ubuntu + unallocated 2 + ext3 for Kubuntu + fat32 [02:19] note that i've seen NTFS partitioners in Windows Server that leave bits of space unallocated ... [02:19] here -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/AdvancedPartitionerRewrite [02:19] always thought it was irrational divides between selected partition size & cluster size [02:20] wasted space is small ... not too concerned ... [02:21] note that unallocated space (7.1 MB) is less than windows XP took for my trackpad drivers (8.9 MB) ! [02:22] heh [02:22] (just for reference) linux trackpad driver (xserver-xorg-input-synaptics) is has 44kb [02:22] :) that's more like it [02:23] drop the "is" pleae [02:23] please [02:23] gah, fakechroot is a pita [02:23] ogra: just curious - why do you need fakechroot? [02:23] (just curious) [02:24] rodarvus: drop the what ? i'm confused [02:24] rodarvus, for the daily ltsp tarballs we want to build from LP fr the ltsp.org guys [02:24] RichEd: the "is" from my last sentence [02:24] "is has 44kb" [02:24] elmo doesnt want to give me rot access for the ltsp-build-client script [02:24] *root [02:24] oh ? i read past stuff like that ... autofilter ... [02:24] which otherwise is needed to create the client chroot ... [02:25] oh [02:25] another partition question - when the partitions soace is allocated, a chunk shows immediately as used ... is that partition format & allocation info ? [02:25] space <- soace [02:25] but i just noticed that if i run ltsp-build-client in a fakechroot environment, it cant mount proc [02:25] ogra: I suppose elmo has a very good reason to force you using fakechroot, then :D [02:25] rodarvus, i cant really agree with him ... [02:26] ogra: I'm being cynical ;) [02:26] I don't agree, either [02:26] giving my script the opportunity to run ltsp-build-client through sudo would be way easier... [02:26] the chroot gets wiped directly after atrrig it anyway [02:26] *tarring [02:26] RichEd: sorry, I don't remember from the top of my head how the ubuntu partitioner works in this regard :/ [02:27] i'll have to discuss that with him, i dont think fakechroot is the way to go [02:27] ogra: can't ltsp-build-client be audited by someone else (such as pitti) if elmo doesn't seems comfortable giving you sudo on this machine? [02:28] its really insane forcing you to lose hours of work mucking with fakechroot just for that. [02:28] okay ... not serious ... will browse to look later ... [02:28] rodarvus, the point is that it builds a chroot [02:28] elmo doesnt want that at all [02:29] ogra: if he doesn't wants that on a "production" machine, then we might need to ask for another machine. [02:29] multiple other machines then :/ [02:29] i need one for every arch [02:30] (only i386 and ppc now, but amd64 will surely follow) [02:30] hmm, yeah, it doesn't scales [02:30] i'll do the i386 variant loacally for now ... [02:30] and copy the tarball to the DC in the end ... [02:30] but that cant be the final solution [02:31] indeed [02:31] ogra: any chance for jim and scott to let you build this on one of their ltsp.org servers? [02:31] allocating my Ubuntu partition info now = mount point / ... what do i select for existing Edubuntu partition ... obviously i leave reformat unchecked but do i select a mount point say /media/hda3 or should i unselect the partition totally from any actions and rather manually edit mount points when i am done [02:32] done with the install i mean [02:32] rodarvus, sure, but the target is to have that in LP, mark wouldnt be happy if it ran o their servers [02:32] brb -> coffee [02:32] *on [02:32] RichEd: usually, /media/, such as /media/edubuntu [02:32] ogra: then bring the issue to Mark [02:32] or to our new fearless leader [02:32] okay ... makes sense now :) === rodarvus winks to RichEd === RichEd ducks to avoid any labels [02:33] hehe [02:33] :) [02:33] rodarvus, dont worry, i'll manage ... [02:33] ogra: well, really up to you [02:33] I sense problems in the future, with the current approach [02:34] how are you going to mount /proc, create devices, etc? [02:35] ?? [02:35] if i run ltsp-build-client as root that all works fine ... [02:35] yes [02:35] you cant just run it unprivileged [02:35] exactly [02:35] and fakechroot is surely not ready for use at all [02:36] now I'm confused :) [02:36] so i wont even put more time into it ;) [02:36] didn' you just said elmo is not going to give you root? [02:36] but run it locally for now and ask elmo for another offer ;) [02:36] and that you were planning to use fakechroot? [02:37] this is exactly my point - you *need* to run this script as root, and it needs to be done in DC infrastructure [02:37] well, he needs to make it possible, its his job ;) i can only change the code if needed, but he has to give me the requirements ... [02:37] so sooner or later, we'll need to bring this to Mark, mdz or RichEd [02:37] yes, but its *his* DC [02:37] s he has to make me an offer :) [02:37] *so === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [02:37] i'll discuss it with him. dont worry [02:37] ok [02:38] lets wait :) [02:38] have to do enough other stuff on that script anyway ) [02:38] so just to confirm my understanding again ... a partition is just a space allocated on a disk, and it is given a working name on boot up by mounting it "against" a named folder in the file system so that it can be accessed ? [02:38] :) [02:38] yes [02:39] ta [02:39] well, === rodarvus gets back to X 7.1 [02:40] ogra: btw, do we have any automatic means of checking for updates on debian packages? [02:40] maybe some LP page where I can subscribe to updates of debian packages === rodarvus daydreams [02:40] err? === cbx33 pokes rodarvus [02:40] rodarvus, mom has ... but i dont know of any further feature like that [02:41] ogra: but mom won't run for another four months, right? [02:41] rodarvus, NMSP will bring us al that ... you will only have to suscribe to the bzr branch then :) [02:41] ogra: indeed :) [02:41] nice [02:41] this is much more logical - being able to edit & manipulate reality - rather than giving a MS GUI a once off request and then waiting for it to do it's secret black magic [02:42] RichEd: huh? [02:42] RichEd: ahhh....another one sees the light :p [02:42] I wish everyone here would [02:42] here? [02:42] no....at work [02:43] w.r.t my questions about mounting & "naming" volumes rather than windows permanent drive letter allocations etc. [02:43] they are just abstractions [02:43] even macosx uses them [02:43] i know windows must do a similar thing, but it's all writen away as smily faces and control characters that do not like being messed with === ogra wonders if he couldnt abuse the buildds for the daily tarball stuff ... [02:43] indeed [02:44] ogra: is this (today's) build safe? === jsgotangco starts burning [02:44] jsgotangco, no idea, i'm still downloading ... :) [02:44] lol [02:44] you'll surely know before me [02:44] gahh === jsgotangco is a bit lazy to go downstairs and trash the desktop [02:45] jsgotangco: is Filipines far from Indonesia? (sorry for my weak knowledge of asian geography :/) [02:46] not really [02:46] I've just read about a Tsunami on Indonesia [02:46] jakarta is around 2 1/2 hours by plane [02:46] hope all is fine there! [02:46] we have a volcano about to explode here [02:46] so the quake in indonesia must be related [02:47] *nods* [02:48]