[05:55] <mhz> crimsun: r u there
[05:55] <crimsun> mhz: barely, what's up?
[05:55] <mhz> crimsun: hey, thx for ponging
[05:56] <mhz> crimsun: are you a freenode people?
[05:56] <crimsun> mhz: meaning "am I FN staff member"? No, I'm not.
[05:57] <crimsun> nalioth is, as is rob
[05:57] <mhz> crimsun: oh, okis
[05:57] <mhz> good to know
[05:57] <mhz> those are their nicks?
[05:57] <crimsun> yes
[05:58] <mhz> thx, a lot
[05:58] <crimsun> np :-)
[05:59] <mhz> crimsun: know if Seveas is from FN?
[05:59] <Burgundavia> mhz: no, he is not
[06:00] <mhz> Burgundavia: oh, good. thx, too.
[06:53] <jsgotangco> mhz: you can also look for HedgeMadge
[06:53] <crimsun> she stepped down from staff in the short run
[06:53] <jsgotangco> ahh
[06:55] <mhz> okis, jsgotangco thx
[06:56] <mhz> jsgotangco: i wathced ESPN and I thought I would see ya on TV
[06:56] <jsgotangco> err?
[06:57] <mhz> yeah, XGames in Guadalumpur
[06:57] <mhz> or something like that
[06:58] <jsgotangco> Kuala Lumpur
[06:58] <jsgotangco> that's like 3 hours away from me by plane
[06:58] <jsgotangco> :P
[06:58] <mhz> oooh, not that close
[06:58] <jsgotangco> but yeah XGames qualifiers are always done in KL probably beside the Petronas Towers
[06:59] <mhz> very nice guys doing very difficult stuff
[06:59] <mhz> indedd
[06:59] <jsgotangco> its always humid there
[06:59] <jsgotangco> i sometimes go there for holiday or if i have money to splurge for F1
[07:02] <Burgundavia> hey ogra, jsgotangco
[07:03] <jsgotangco> hey
[07:03] <mhz> as usual?
[07:04] <jsgotangco> lol
[07:06] <mhz> jsgotangco: :)
[07:27] <mhz_zZzZ> jsgotangco: buona notte
[08:48] <iGotNoTime> hello I have a question about Edubuntu... in multimedia systems selector can both the input and output of the audio tab be set to ALSA?
[08:49] <crimsun> yes, but both default to alsa already.
[08:49] <crimsun> autoselect -> alsa, oss, null  (in that order)
[08:49] <iGotNoTime> well I adjusted my mixer and both volume and mic input work
[08:49] <iGotNoTime> however in the systems selector I click test the mic and it freezes
[08:50] <crimsun> 'it' being...?
[08:50] <iGotNoTime> also in sound recorder when I play a file it is ok but when I record it freezes too
[08:50] <iGotNoTime> the menu
[08:50] <iGotNoTime> the software
[08:51] <iGotNoTime> yet I can hear the mic when I allow mic monitoring
[08:51] <crimsun> ok, in M.S.S., change the default audio source
[08:51] <crimsun> choose custom
[08:51] <iGotNoTime> ok to what?
[08:51] <iGotNoTime> any suggestion?
[08:52] <crimsun> then in the text entry box, type: alsasrc device=plughw:0
[08:52] <iGotNoTime> sorry for being ok
[08:52] <iGotNoTime>  :)
[08:52] <crimsun> then click Test
[09:40] <RichEd_> question anyone: is it "normal" in an edubuntu install to get a blank screen with just two while blocks []  at about 60% of the way through "select & install software" ... for 5 -> 10 mins before the CD drive ejects and you get the boot menu ?
[09:40] <RichEd_> white <- while :P
[09:47] <jsgotangco> errr
[09:47] <jsgotangco> did you do the install using the livecd?
[09:50] <jsgotangco> no that's not normal btw
[09:50] <RichEd_> hi ... installed from 6.06 ...
[09:53] <jsgotangco> its probably your display adapter acting up
[09:53] <RichEd_> could be my "unusual" set up ... HP notebook without internal CD ... so I was plugged into docking station with CD and external monitor ...
[09:53] <jsgotangco> it'll just black out for a few seconds when the display adapter is configured if you installed it with the text install
[09:53] <jsgotangco> but the install went fine?
[09:53] <RichEd_> was not just a few secs :) at 1:00 am this morning I figured it was a hard hang ... had to hold my power off for 15 secs to get a shutdown
[09:53] <RichEd_> 90% of the way complete this morning ... now at the GRUB screen ...
[09:53] <RichEd_> (was a bit more patient this morning, but almost thought there was a problem again)
[09:53] <jsgotangco> did you burn the cd or used a pressed one?
[09:53] <RichEd_> Spanking new Official CD ... from JaneW's store :)
[09:53] <jsgotangco> well either of the two did you check if the cd is good? 
[09:54] <jsgotangco> yeah the pressed one has a higher chance of having a good install
[09:54] <RichEd_> I will try that when complete ... the check CD option ...
[09:54] <jsgotangco> but installing from a liveCD shouldn't take more than an hour after partitioning
[09:54] <RichEd_> My guess is that the display stuff is configured at around 60%, wasn;t 100% okay for my display setup - and then I did not see any more progress update while the ramining 40% completed
[09:55] <jsgotangco> because it just copies stuff
[09:55] <jsgotangco> ahh
[09:55] <jsgotangco> oh okay so you mean you reinstalled again when you thought it failed right?
[09:55] <RichEd_> yeah ... and seems okay now ... at GRUB
[09:56] <RichEd_> but did have a panic after hard reboot ... cannot load operating system ... thought my XP install was gone
[09:57] <RichEd_> (new XP no data - but OEM for which I have no CD) but went back into Edubuntu install & fiddled with NTFS partition ... and set to bootable
[09:57] <jsgotangco> yeah that can be hairy
[09:58] <RichEd_> may freak out a newbie Windows to Linux convert ... luckily I remembered some partition stuff from my DOS FDisk days ... (about 15 years ago :)
[09:58] <jsgotangco> the graphical installer does need some work on the partitioning part
[09:58] <jsgotangco> its part of the TODO for this cycle
[09:59] <RichEd_> and this brought up an issue we must look at ... if someone is relying on online help, and, and has only 1 PC, and then gets it into an unbootable state ... how do they look for forum help ?
[09:59] <jsgotangco> yeah its been brought up before
[10:00] <jsgotangco> i think what would be nce is to have a printable quick install page
[10:00] <jsgotangco> the current one is rater terse since it was taken from upstream
[10:00] <RichEd_> yep ... especially one that says: if you have only one PC ... PRINT THIS document before you start :)
[10:01] <RichEd_> with the panic issues addressed in easy FAQ style ...
[10:01] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:01] <jsgotangco> all appliances do have a simple troubleshooting page
[10:01] <jsgotangco> and the cover sleeve itself needs to have it indicated as well i guess
[10:02] <RichEd_> again ... need to encourage the installee to print ... maybe in hitchhikers guide style large friendly letters :)
[10:03] <jsgotangco> it can be available when the user is in windows and inserts the cd
[10:03] <jsgotangco> the winfoss stuff pops up
[10:04] <RichEd_> okay ... i only booted clean from CD ... didn't go the insert while running windows route ...
[10:04] <jsgotangco> yeah win32 versions of office, gaim, firefox are also in the cd
[10:05] <RichEd_> i did know that but did not intend to run under windows ... so did not bother ...
[10:05] <jsgotangco> ahh
[10:05] <jsgotangco> i guess its not printed clearly
[10:05] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:07] <RichEd_> perhaps we should suggest it on the sleeve "If you have an existing windows system insert while running windows to get a quick guide", with an autorun and some print suggestions ...
[10:07] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:07] <jsgotangco> i think a 5 page pdf or html would suffice
[10:08] <RichEd_> more than enough ... not big issues, but could be a showstopper ... we don't want to lose a potential convert
[10:08] <jsgotangco> yeah
[10:08] <jsgotangco> maybe i should make a spec
[10:09] <RichEd_> i'll keep a note of this all ... and will bring it up ... also found some good external site guides that helped me in preparing the whole dual boot thing.
[10:10] <jsgotangco> yeah sometimes we're so engrossed in creating a document with all the features that we take for granted one of the biggest showstoppers to most users is actually installing it ;)
[10:12] <RichEd_> and as I said to someone yesterday, we are "competing with a pre-installed OS" so we have to make it super easy 
[10:13] <jsgotangco> macOSX?
[10:13] <jsgotangco> heh
[10:13] <RichEd_> or the "Human Beings" may just default back to "path of least resistance
[10:13] <jsgotangco> kidding
[10:14] <RichEd_> :)
[10:15] <RichEd_> will leave you alone for a bit now ... about to finish off at GRUB prompt ... any suggested offical Ubuntu help links on what to do from here (to keep dual boot) ?
[10:15] <jsgotangco> help.ubuntu.com has all the documents from the distro as well as a "getting there" comprehensive guide from the community to get you started in your desktop
[10:16] <jsgotangco> like codecs, printer setup, sharing, etc.
[10:17] <RichEd_> thanks ... just not 100% clear what the GRUB prompt will do from here ... is it just asking me to select a boot option for install purposes, or is it going to set primary boot option ?r
[10:18] <jsgotangco> it just asks you that it detected the OS installed and will add it to GRUB if you just hit enter, it'll just have XP as the 2nd option and Ubuntu will be the default OS to boot
[10:19] <RichEd_> okay ... tx ... pressing on
[10:19] <jsgotangco> im just online and a bit idle at the moment just in case
[10:21] <RichEd_> thanks ... may ask for some help when i install Ubuntu on the next partition if i get stuck ... (want to have both bootable for demo) ... and may add Kubuntu for the same reason.
[10:35] <cbx33> mornin all
[10:35] <cbx33> mornin RichEd__ 
[10:35] <jsgotangco> yo
[10:35] <RichEd__> 'lo cbx33 
[10:35] <cbx33> hey jsgotangco 
[10:36] <cbx33> RichEd__: gonna get that spreadsheet underway today
[10:36] <cbx33> I was thinking although wiki would be good for colab, it's not gonna work for the formulae
[10:36] <cbx33> we'll have to exchange files
[10:37] <RichEd__> okay ... will be a little busy ... (still setting up) ... but get it going
[10:39] <cbx33> no no that's fine
[11:58] <ogra> yay
[12:00] <cbx33> w00t
[12:00] <cbx33> ogra: can I ask a quick question
[12:00] <cbx33> I can't seem to find the copyright holders for some of the human icons I've used
[12:00] <cbx33> in the ubuntu-artwork pacakge
[12:01] <ogra> human cons should all be described in the debian/copyright file of the artwork package
[12:01] <cbx33> that's what I thought
[12:01] <cbx33> they're not
[12:01] <ogra> if there is still something missing probably dholbach knows who to contact (no idea if he did anything with human)
[12:02] <cbx33> ah unless
[12:04] <RichEd> must say it looks very slick :)
[12:09] <jsgotangco> ogra: do i smell knot-1 coming?
[12:10] <ogra> jsgotangco, YES ! :)
[12:10] <jsgotangco> is it build already?
[12:10] <ogra> looks like i made it :)
[12:10] <ogra> yep
[12:10] <jsgotangco> where do i grab it?
[12:10] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/
[12:10] <ogra> live is broken 
[12:10] <jsgotangco> hmm
[12:10] <jsgotangco> casper issue?
[12:10] <ogra> but install looks very good
[12:11] <ogra> yep
[12:11] <jsgotangco> ill grab amd54
[12:11] <jsgotangco> err 64
[12:11] <ogra> i'm just trying to rsync on top of a dapper iso ...
[12:11] <ogra> not really helping ... ETA 2h
[12:12] <jsgotangco> ill just see how it goes before dawn
[12:12] <jsgotangco> =)
[12:12] <RichEd> jsgotangco: ping for a quick question or two ?
[12:12] <jsgotangco> sure
[12:12] <RichEd> does my swap partition take care if itself ? i don't see it as a volume ?
[12:12] <ogra> jsgotangco, thanks for the nes update btw 
[12:13] <ogra> *news
[12:13] <jsgotangco> RichEd: nope
[12:13] <jsgotangco> its like a windows scratch disk, you can't see it but its there
[12:14] <jsgotangco> and its being used
[12:14] <jsgotangco> when needed
[12:15] <jsgotangco> ogra: no worries, it seems mgalvin disappeared all of a sudden so i guess Ridell sent it?
[12:15] <ogra> yep
[12:15] <RichEd> thanks ... and another q: i created a fat32 "common" partition ... which i see as a folder off the root of my File System ... does it not appear as a seperate drive like XP sees it ?
[12:15] <jsgotangco> ill try sending it myself next time just in case mgalvin still MIA
[12:16] <jsgotangco> the filesystem has no concept of "drives"
[12:16] <jsgotangco> just files and folders
[12:16] <jsgotangco> hence your partition is just a folder
[12:17] <jsgotangco> even devices are treated as files
[12:17] <RichEd> (excuse the language) but i mean as I see my NTFS partition called: hda1 as an icon on my desktop ...
[12:18] <cbx33> RichEd: how can you mutter such profanity
[12:18] <cbx33> ;)
[12:19] <cbx33> hehe, it's ok, I have to administrate a windows network in my current position
[12:20] <RichEd> note: i ask dumb questions but i usually learn quickly
[12:20] <ogra> there are no dumb questions :P
[12:20] <jsgotangco> RichEd: yeah, its normal, we have it as a feature to automatically mount windows partitions
[12:21] <jsgotangco> but yeah hda is you real HD
[12:22] <jsgotangco> its actually mounted in /media
[12:23] <JaneW> jsgotangco: hi-dy ho
[12:23] <RichEd> well not really the entire HD ... as i also see hda5 & hda6 icons on the desktop which are just (unformatted) partitions waiting for my Ubuntu & Kubuntu alternate boot installs
[12:23] <jsgotangco> JaneW: boo
[12:24] <JaneW> jsgotangco: looks like RichEd wil need to give you some Amarula when he meets you :)
[12:24] <RichEd> q: is there a way of seeing the FAT32 partition as a "root level object like hda1"  and not just as a folder \common
[12:25] <jsgotangco> you mean mount it and see it in your desktop in a different name?
[12:25] <jsgotangco> JaneW: i'll probably not decline that then
[12:25] <RichEd> ahhh yes (i think that's what i mean)
[12:26] <jsgotangco> sure
[12:26] <jsgotangco> the howto is available in the documentation under Desktop Guide
[12:27] <jsgotangco> System->Help->System Documentation
[12:27] <jsgotangco> Ubuntu Desktop Guide -> Configuring Your System -> Partitions and Booting
[12:27] <jsgotangco> you need to dig into the console though
[12:28] <jsgotangco> not sure if Disk Administration will handle it automatically
[12:28] <jsgotangco> hmm maybe it does
[12:28] <jsgotangco> System -> Administration -> Disks
[12:28] <jsgotangco> then click the Partitions Tab
[12:31] <jsgotangco> bbl dinner
[12:34] <jsgAFK> RichEd: i'll just afk for a while and be back in an hour or two
[12:35] <RichEd> not a problem ... i have enough to fiddle around with ... nothing critical ... just questions for understanding ...
[12:39] <cbx33> hey rodarvus 
[12:40] <rodarvus> good morning
[12:40] <rodarvus> hi cbx33!
[12:40] <cbx33> howz it all going
[12:41] <rodarvus> good, still  feeling a bit dizzy, as its still monday early morning in here ;)
[12:41] <rodarvus> *garfield effect
[12:41] <ogra> you had lasagne yesterday ?
[12:41] <ogra> :)
[12:42] <rodarvus> haha
[12:43] <JaneW> hey ogra :)
[12:44] <ogra> hey JaneW :)
[12:44] <JaneW> ogra: how's your house move? All done yet?
[12:44] <ogra> nope
[12:44] <ogra> i
[12:44] <ogra> 'm in the old house to mop up the last furniture this week
[12:45] <JaneW> ogra: oic. Your pets moved already?
[12:45] <JaneW> ogra, the ' is notoriously troublesome for me too!
[12:45] <ogra> they moved two weeks before paris 
[12:46] <cbx33> cool
[12:46] <ogra> i did little tours with a van on the last weekends, but the big truck for the bigger pieces is planned for next weekend ...
[12:48] <JaneW> ogra: good luck, has been a slog huh!
[12:53] <cbx33> ogra if I have a patch for one of the man pages in ltsp that I wrote how do I go about it?
[12:54] <ogra> you update your bzr branch to the ltsp-mainline one, add your change, commit it and i merge it
[12:55] <cbx33> ok cool
[12:55] <cbx33> thanks ogra 
[01:01] <ogra> cbx33, btw, the rsyncer script on my people account is updated for edgy
[01:02] <cbx33> :D
[01:03] <ogra> i should probably add a --release switch
[01:03] <cbx33> oooh good idea
[01:04] <cbx33> once you're all done with that let me know and I'll fit grasynco to it
[01:52] <RichEd> quick confirm question please: can multiple boots (Ubuntu & Edubuntu) all safely share the same swap volume ? will they each just mount & use swap at startup without intefereing with each others files (I presume temp swap files are cleared at shutdown) ?
[01:55] <RichEd> sorry partition not volume :P
[01:57] <rodarvus> RichEd: yes, they can
[01:58] <rodarvus> and they should, in fact :)
[01:58] <rodarvus> a swap partition (and also a swap file, for that matter) is basically a continued part of the ram memory - in other words, completely volatile between reboots
[02:00] <RichEd> rodarvus: hi ... thanks ... just confirming that my understanding translates across worlds :)
[02:01] <rodarvus> it sure does :)
[02:01] <RichEd> you'll be glad to know my Edubuntu is up & running ... minor glitches (display went blank 60% of the way through software install phase) prolly due to unusual external monitor ...
[02:02] <RichEd> at 1:00 am I thought it was a hang ... but with more patience in daylight ... i waited for it to get through to completion
[02:02] <RichEd> now trying to add Ubuntu boot (converting dual-boot XP - Edubuntu to tri-boot)
[02:04] <rodarvus> nice, good to know :)
[02:04] <rodarvus> you'll probably have to manually change stuff on the boot loader to handle ubuntu + edubuntu together
[02:04] <rodarvus> as both of them will want to "have control" over the MBR
[02:05] <RichEd> interesting - booted into Ubuntu CD to access GParted and linux-swap partition now has a lock ion ... didn't see this last night on first run of GParted ... is Ubuntu now taking advantage of the partition it did not have before ?
[02:06] <RichEd> rodarvus: noted boot loader comments ... will keep this MS xchat session open for necessary words of wisdom :)
[02:06] <rodarvus> yes, it is already using the swap partition
[02:06] <rodarvus> but you can order the installer to stop using the swap partition, if necessary (just click with right button on it, I think)
[02:07] <RichEd> no need is there ? was just a query from me ... don't see any problems ...
[02:09] <ogra> RichEd, we cant put ltsp n the liveCD, else we'd have switched too
[02:09] <ogra> *on
[02:10] <RichEd> not knocking anything ... just impressed that's all :)
[02:11] <ogra> also the gui installer needs *at least* 256MB
[02:13] <rodarvus> how much our text based install needs?
[02:14] <rodarvus> 256 is a *lot* of space, I didn't knew it needed all that much
[02:14] <ogra> i think 96MB 
[02:14] <RichEd> quick question for my interest: when I built my partition table last night, there are a few unallocated MBs ... is this just disk space on the border of partitions that is unable to be allocated due to cluster / partition size ?
[02:15] <ogra> but i'm not sure ... might even be smaller
[02:15] <RichEd> (2 unallocated areas = 1.96MB and 5.26MB)
[02:15] <rodarvus> RichEd: on the end of the disk, you mean?
[02:15] <rodarvus> some times (very little) unallocated space remains on the end of the disk
[02:15] <rodarvus> but I never saw unallocated space between partitions
[02:16] <rodarvus> RichEd: I'm just guessing, but if this is the case, it might be a bug in the partitioner (did you created the partitions using the Ubuntu graphical installer?)
[02:17] <RichEd> yes ...
[02:17] <RichEd> spaces are in the middle - i have 3 primaries (ntfs - swap - ext3 = Edubuntu) and 1 extended
[02:18] <rodarvus> (again, just guessing) Kamion mentioned the current partitioning tool of the graphical installer is not as reliable as it could be - he is rewriting it from scratch (?) I think
[02:18] <RichEd> extended contains unallocated 1 + ext3 for Ubuntu + unallocated 2 + ext3 for Kubuntu + fat32 
[02:19] <RichEd> note that i've seen NTFS partitioners in Windows Server that leave bits of space unallocated ...
[02:19] <rodarvus> here -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubiquity/AdvancedPartitionerRewrite
[02:19] <RichEd> always thought it was irrational divides between selected partition size & cluster size
[02:20] <RichEd> wasted space is small ... not too concerned ...
[02:21] <RichEd> note that unallocated space (7.1 MB) is less than windows XP took for my trackpad drivers (8.9 MB) !
[02:22] <rodarvus> heh
[02:22] <rodarvus> (just for reference) linux trackpad driver (xserver-xorg-input-synaptics) is has 44kb
[02:22] <RichEd> :) that's more like it
[02:23] <rodarvus> drop the "is" pleae
[02:23] <rodarvus> please
[02:23] <ogra> gah, fakechroot is a pita
[02:23] <rodarvus> ogra: just curious - why do you need fakechroot?
[02:23] <rodarvus> (just curious)
[02:24] <RichEd> rodarvus: drop the what ? i'm confused
[02:24] <ogra> rodarvus, for the daily ltsp tarballs we want to build from LP fr the ltsp.org guys
[02:24] <rodarvus> RichEd: the "is" from my last sentence
[02:24] <rodarvus> "is has 44kb"
[02:24] <ogra> elmo doesnt want to give me rot access for the ltsp-build-client script
[02:24] <ogra> *root
[02:24] <RichEd> oh ? i read past stuff like that ... autofilter ...
[02:24] <ogra> which otherwise is needed to create the client chroot ...
[02:25] <rodarvus> oh
[02:25] <RichEd> another partition question - when the partitions soace is allocated, a chunk shows immediately as used  ... is that partition format & allocation info ?
[02:25] <RichEd> space <- soace
[02:25] <ogra> but i just noticed that if i run ltsp-build-client in a fakechroot environment, it cant mount proc
[02:25] <rodarvus> ogra: I suppose elmo has a very good reason to force you using fakechroot, then :D
[02:25] <ogra> rodarvus, i cant really agree with him ...
[02:26] <rodarvus> ogra: I'm being cynical ;)
[02:26] <rodarvus> I don't agree, either
[02:26] <ogra> giving my script the opportunity to run ltsp-build-client through sudo would be way easier... 
[02:26] <ogra> the chroot gets wiped directly after atrrig it anyway
[02:26] <ogra> *tarring
[02:26] <rodarvus> RichEd: sorry, I don't remember from the top of my head how the ubuntu partitioner works in this regard :/
[02:27] <ogra> i'll have to discuss that with him, i dont think fakechroot is the way to go
[02:27] <rodarvus> ogra: can't ltsp-build-client be audited by someone else (such as pitti) if elmo doesn't seems comfortable giving you sudo on this machine?
[02:28] <rodarvus> its really insane forcing you to lose hours of work mucking with fakechroot just for that.
[02:28] <RichEd> okay ... not serious ... will browse to look later ...
[02:28] <ogra> rodarvus, the point is that it builds a chroot
[02:28] <ogra> elmo doesnt want that at all
[02:29] <rodarvus> ogra: if he doesn't wants that on a "production" machine, then we might need to ask for another machine.
[02:29] <ogra> multiple other machines then :/
[02:29] <ogra> i need one for every arch
[02:30] <ogra> (only i386 and ppc now, but amd64 will surely follow)
[02:30] <rodarvus> hmm, yeah, it doesn't scales
[02:30] <ogra> i'll do the i386 variant loacally for now ...
[02:30] <ogra> and copy the tarball to the DC in the end ...
[02:30] <ogra> but that cant be the final solution
[02:31] <rodarvus> indeed
[02:31] <rodarvus> ogra: any chance for jim and scott to let you build this on one of their ltsp.org servers?
[02:31] <RichEd> allocating my Ubuntu partition info now = mount point / ... what do i select for existing Edubuntu partition ... obviously i leave reformat unchecked but do i select a mount point say /media/hda3 or should i unselect the partition totally from any actions and rather manually edit mount points when i am done
[02:32] <RichEd> done with the install i mean 
[02:32] <ogra> rodarvus, sure, but the target is to have that in LP, mark wouldnt be happy if it ran o their servers
[02:32] <RichEd> brb -> coffee
[02:32] <ogra> *on
[02:32] <rodarvus> RichEd: usually, /media/<somename>, such as /media/edubuntu
[02:32] <rodarvus> ogra: then bring the issue to Mark
[02:32] <rodarvus> or to our new fearless leader
[02:32] <RichEd> okay ... makes sense now :)
[02:33] <ogra> hehe
[02:33] <rodarvus> :)
[02:33] <ogra> rodarvus, dont worry, i'll manage ...
[02:33] <rodarvus> ogra: well, really up to you
[02:33] <rodarvus> I sense problems in the future, with the current approach
[02:34] <rodarvus> how are you going to mount /proc, create devices, etc?
[02:35] <ogra> ??
[02:35] <ogra> if i run ltsp-build-client as root that all works fine ...
[02:35] <rodarvus> yes
[02:35] <ogra> you cant just run it unprivileged
[02:35] <rodarvus> exactly
[02:35] <ogra> and fakechroot is surely not ready for use at all
[02:36] <rodarvus> now I'm confused :)
[02:36] <ogra> so i wont even put more time into it ;)
[02:36] <rodarvus> didn' you just said elmo is not going to give you root?
[02:36] <ogra> but run it locally for now and ask elmo for another offer ;)
[02:36] <rodarvus> and that you were planning to use fakechroot?
[02:37] <rodarvus> this is exactly my point - you *need* to run this script as root, and it needs to be done in DC infrastructure
[02:37] <ogra> well, he needs to make it possible, its his job ;) i can only change the code if needed, but he has to give me the requirements ...
[02:37] <rodarvus> so sooner or later, we'll need to bring this to Mark, mdz or RichEd
[02:37] <ogra> yes, but its *his* DC 
[02:37] <ogra> s he has to make me an offer :)
[02:37] <ogra> *so
[02:37] <ogra> i'll discuss it with him. dont worry
[02:37] <rodarvus> ok
[02:38] <rodarvus> lets wait :)
[02:38] <ogra>  have to do enough other stuff on that script anyway )
[02:38] <RichEd> so just to confirm my understanding again ... a partition is just a space allocated on a disk, and it is given a working name on boot up by mounting it "against" a named folder in the file system so that it can be accessed ?
[02:38] <ogra> :)
[02:38] <ogra> yes
[02:39] <RichEd> ta
[02:39] <rodarvus> well,
[02:40] <rodarvus> ogra: btw, do we have any automatic means of checking for updates on debian packages?
[02:40] <rodarvus> maybe some LP page where I can subscribe to updates of debian packages
[02:40] <jsgotangco> err?
[02:40] <ogra> rodarvus, mom has ... but i dont know of any further feature like that 
[02:41] <rodarvus> ogra: but mom won't run for another four months, right?
[02:41] <ogra> rodarvus, NMSP will bring us al that ... you will only have to suscribe to the bzr branch then :)
[02:41] <rodarvus> ogra: indeed :)
[02:41] <cbx33> nice
[02:41] <RichEd> this is much more logical - being able to edit & manipulate reality - rather than giving a MS GUI a once off request and then waiting for it to do it's secret black magic
[02:42] <jsgotangco> RichEd: huh?
[02:42] <cbx33> RichEd: ahhh....another one sees the light :p
[02:42] <cbx33> I wish everyone here would
[02:42] <jsgotangco> here?
[02:42] <cbx33> no....at work
[02:43] <RichEd> w.r.t my questions about mounting & "naming" volumes rather than windows permanent drive letter allocations etc.
[02:43] <jsgotangco> they are just abstractions
[02:43] <jsgotangco> even macosx uses them
[02:43] <RichEd> i know windows must do a similar thing, but it's all writen away as smily faces and control characters that do not like being messed with
[02:43] <cbx33> indeed
[02:44] <jsgotangco> ogra: is this (today's) build safe?
[02:44] <ogra> jsgotangco, no idea, i'm still downloading ... :)
[02:44] <jsgotangco> lol
[02:44] <ogra> you'll surely know before me 
[02:44] <jsgotangco> gahh
[02:45] <rodarvus> jsgotangco: is Filipines far from Indonesia? (sorry for my weak knowledge of asian geography :/)
[02:46] <jsgotangco> not really
[02:46] <rodarvus> I've just read about a Tsunami on Indonesia
[02:46] <jsgotangco> jakarta is around 2 1/2 hours by plane
[02:46] <rodarvus> hope all is fine there!
[02:46] <jsgotangco> we have a volcano about to explode here
[02:46] <jsgotangco> so the quake in indonesia must be related
[02:47] <rodarvus> *nods*
[02:48] <jsgotangco> this region is not called the ring of fire for nothing heh
[02:48] <RichEd> better than being shelled by flying exploding things ... like some other people today :(
[02:48] <cbx33> true
[02:48] <jsgotangco> yeah its just not right demolishing a neighbor's house to destroy some rats
[02:50] <RichEd> not prepared to take sides or anything ... but nature is an unavoidable ... the human thing should be something we can work out with less aggression ... UBujtu and all that
[02:50] <RichEd> Ubuntu P
[02:51] <rodarvus> I was already wondering if Ubujtu was yet another african word with big translation :D
[02:52] <jsgotangco> my hometown is infested with insurgents i know the feeling of bullets going above your roof
[02:53] <cbx33> jsgotangco: eeek
[02:53] <cbx33> that bad?
[02:53] <jsgotangco> cbx33: i grew up with an M16 in our house for security reasons
[02:54] <cbx33> crikey
[02:54] <jsgotangco> we never got to use it though, luckily
[02:54] <jsgotangco> my wife doesn't like going to my hometown
[02:54] <jsgotangco> but i just walk there like its the park =)
[02:54] <cbx33> I'll bet
[02:54] <jsgotangco> its not like people are shooting each other most of the time
[02:55] <jsgotangco> the last violence i ever seen there was an assassination in front of our church
[03:06] <cbx33> yikes
[03:07] <RichEd> should i be concerned ? ubuntu install can't remember being asked if i wanted server or workstation 
[03:07] <spacey> jsgotangco: religious reasons?
[03:07] <ogra> there is no such option in ubuntu
[03:07] <RichEd> and now at 88% it said target disk nearly full ... target disk 100% full .... it is a 2GB partition
[03:07] <jsgotangco> spacey: nope maoist seperatists
[03:08] <RichEd> ogra: i thought there was sever / workstation option ? last week you recommended that i did *not* install server
[03:09] <ogra> RichEd, in edubuntu, yes :)
[03:09] <ogra> but not in ubuntu
[03:09] <iGotNoTime> morning everyone :D
[03:10] <RichEd> okay ... any reason why it is filling the (recommended) 2GB ... and will it cause a problem ?
[03:12] <ogra> very likely ...
[03:12] <iGotNoTime> because it is a user rich experience :D:D
[03:12] <ogra> it wont install all packages if it runs out of space
[03:13] <RichEd> i've checked the CD sleeve and it says 2.1 GB ... will make more space and try again.
[03:18] <iGotNoTime> I 'just now' upgraded to Dapper does anyone have a link for instructions on installing the firefox flash player plugin ?
[03:28] <bimberi> !flash
[03:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats  -  See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html  -  But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:30] <bimberi> iGotNoTime: ^^^^ (the first link)
[03:37] <bimberi> RichEd: er ... um ... so, been watching the Tour de France?  ;)
[03:41] <RichEd> errrrr uhmmmmmm well Nelson Mandela is great
[03:42] <bimberi> lol
[03:42] <RichEd> RichEd -> out 1 hour ... lunch collection
[03:57] <iGotNoTime> bimberi: thank you
[04:00] <bimberi> iGotNoTime: yw :)
[04:17] <iGotNoTime> I have a dedicated MS server and need remote desktop access, I didn't think of that before switching to Linux, does anyone have a suggestion?
[04:21] <bimberi> iGotNoTime: VNC
[04:21] <rodarvus> iGotNoTime: please ask non-edubuntu related questions on #ubuntu (but answering to your question - there is a remote desktop client for linux called 'rdesktop', you can use it)
[04:21] <iGotNoTime> sorry will make sure it doesn't happen again
[04:22] <iGotNoTime> I do run Edu though ;)
[04:22] <rodarvus> :)
[04:25] <bimberi> iGotNoTime: btw the rdesktop client comes installed.  You can access it via Applications -> Internet -> Terminal Server Client
[04:25] <iGotNoTime> yes just found it :)
[04:25] <iGotNoTime> well using gnome desktop
[04:52] <dad> is it necessary to use the edubuntu server
[04:52] <dad> or can I just install ltsp and remove the pre-installed servers
[04:53] <ogra> edubuntu server *is* essentially ltsp ...
[04:53] <ogra> what preinstalled servers do you mean ? 
[04:53] <dad> because  ltspconfig command does not work
[04:53] <ogra> there is only the schooltool calendar server apart from ltsp 
[04:54] <ogra> never ever use ltspconfig in edubuntu !
[04:54] <ogra> nor install the ltsp-utils package from universe
[04:54] <iGotNoTime> have a great day everyone and thanks again for all the help :D
[04:54] <ogra> there is a reason that its in universe
[04:54] <ogra> (its incompatible with ubuntu ltsp and breaks everything)
[04:54] <dad> then how can I configure this
[04:55] <ogra> what do you want to configure and what doesnt work ? 
[04:55] <dad> ltsp server
[04:55] <ogra> and did you already execute ltspadmin on that machine (which surely broke the install then)
[04:55] <dad> no I did not
[04:56] <ogra> whet exactly ? do you want to configure and what doesnt work ?
[04:57] <dad> ltsp failed to start last time I tried
[04:57] <ogra> what didnt start ? there is no such ting like ltsp you could start, its build from severeal pieces
[04:57] <dad> authoritative;
[04:57] <dad> subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
[04:57] <dad>   range 192.168.0.20 192.168.0.250;
[04:57] <dad>   option domain-name "example.com";
[04:57] <dad>   option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.1;
[04:57] <dad>   option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255;
[04:57] <dad>   option routers 192.168.0.1;
[04:57] <dad>   option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
[04:57] <dad>   filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";
[04:58] <dad>   option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
[04:58] <dad> }
[04:58] <ogra> please use a pastebin
[04:58] <ogra> so what didnt start ? your dhcp server ?
[04:59] <ogra> or the nfs server ? or inetd/tftfp ?
[04:59] <dad> let me refresh my mind , can you tell me the command for starting the dhcp.
[04:59] <ogra> you need to give an exact error description, else nobody will be able to help :)
[05:00] <ogra> sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start
[05:00] <dad> I don't know. I just installed edbuntu
[05:00] <ogra> but you said something didnt start ...
[05:00] <ogra> since we have no such service like "ltsp" it must be soemthing else, what was it ? 
[05:00] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[05:01] <jsgotangco> dad! i didn't expect you to be here!
[05:01] <dad> I think it was DHCP.
[05:01] <ogra> dad, did you follow the install instructions (see channel topic) ?
[05:03] <RichEd> jsgotanco: earthquake/tsunami update: 20 fatalities reported
[05:06] <dad> I just want to test this the edbuntu server-thin client communication
[05:06] <Petaris> ogra: After the initial install you should be able to just boot a client correct?
[05:07] <ogra> Petaris, nope
[05:07] <ogra> Petaris, unless you picked 192.168.0.1 as your ip
[05:08] <dad> I am using etherboot floppy, should I change this line in "/ltsp/pxelinux.0
[05:08] <ogra> else you need to do the things from the gettingstarted doc
[05:08] <dad> since I am not using pxe
[05:09] <Petaris> ogra: its a dual nic box (triple actually) eth0 is a static 172.20. address that connects to my network and eth1 is a static 192.168.0.1 that connects to the clients
[05:09] <ogra> Petaris, then it works out of the box
[05:09] <ogra> dad, etherboot from rom-o-matic ? 
[05:09] <dad> yes
[05:09] <ogra> they have a PXE emulation mode
[05:09] <ogra> use that and it should work fine
[05:10] <Petaris> hrm, I'll go through the getting started doc again but it (the client) doesn't seem to even see the dhcp server
[05:10] <Petaris> I've confirmed its running though
[05:10] <dad> so I don't need to any changes in the dhscpconf
[05:10] <ogra> make sure there is no other dhcp server in that network
[05:11] <ogra> dad, if you have a static interface with 192.168.0.1 as ip you dont
[05:11] <Petaris> ogra: no other dhcps on the client side
[05:12] <dad> No I am using the dhcp mode not static, since I Use the same card for internet
[05:12] <ogra> dad, the interface a dhcp server runs on *must* be static
[05:13] <Petaris> ogra: nevermind, user error
[05:14] <dad> so i need to buy another card
[05:14] <Petaris> I had the clients plugged into the wrong nic (into the third nic which is unused)
[05:15] <Petaris> ogra: Just one of those "Bang head on keyboard to continue.." days
[05:15] <Petaris> haha
[05:15] <dad> Do I need another card??
[05:15] <Petaris> dad: no
[05:15] <Petaris> you just need to set a static address
[05:16] <dad> then what?
[05:16] <Petaris> unless I've missed something
[05:16] <Petaris> dad: What is your network setup?
[05:17] <Petaris> server with two nics?
[05:17] <Petaris> one to ltsp the other to the rest of the network?
[05:17] <Petaris> or single nic?
[05:17] <dad> How can I connect to both internet and the the intranet at the same time, since When I choose static ip I cnnot conect to internet
[05:17] <dad> single nic
[05:18] <rodarvus> RichEd: do you plan to attend (at least for for one or two days) the developers sprint, next month?
[05:18] <Petaris> dad: is there a cable modem or the like on your network?
[05:18] <rodarvus> it would be a great chance for me and ogra to meet you there
[05:18] <rodarvus> RichEd -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSprintWiesbaden
[05:18] <RichEd> haven't been asked yet ... but would make sense ... where issit ?
[05:18] <rodarvus> in Wiesbaden, Germany
[05:19] <dad> dsl
[05:19] <Petaris> dad: its running a dhcp server I bet
[05:19] <RichEd> will SABDFL be attedning ?
[05:19] <Petaris> and its address is probably 192.168.0.1
[05:19] <rodarvus> RichEd: its really a developers "hands on" summit, but its (probably?) the only chance we'll have to talk in person, before december, january or so
[05:19] <rodarvus> RichEd: no idea :/
[05:19] <Petaris> thats where your issue is coming from
[05:20] <rodarvus> RichEd: probably clan or silbs will be able to tell you if he plans to be there
[05:20] <dad> Petraris: that's right
[05:20] <RichEd> it makes sense to me: i have to meet Mark in London ... and need to show him a strategy plan (for increasing adoption) ... so it may make sense to come to meet you in Germany, have an sidebar strategy chat & review, and then hop over to London
[05:21] <Petaris> dad: So choose an address in that range for the server, like 192.168.0.254
[05:21] <RichEd> after all if i need to fly from ZA to UK ... germany is a hop, skip & a jump by comparison 
[05:21] <ogra> dad, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPBootingClientsWithoutPxe
[05:21] <Petaris> then set your server dhcp range to something like 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.254
[05:21] <rodarvus> RichEd: that would be great
[05:21] <ogra> to get PXE emulation in etherboot floppies
[05:22] <RichEd> Clan is working on the diary dates ... will ask her to factor in some time ... even if it is an afternoon-to-evening-meeting & sleep & jump over
[05:22] <Petaris> dad: or set two IP addresses on that nic
[05:22] <Petaris> dad: ie, eth0 = 192.168.0.254 eth0:1 = 192.168.1.1
[05:23] <Petaris> with a dhcp range of 192.168.1.2 - 192.168.1.254
[05:23] <ogra> rodarvus, well, i think RichEd would rather be bored watching a crowd of hackers hacking silently ... i dont think it makes sense for him to be all the time around (go see somethig of wiesbaden RichEd ;) )
[05:23] <RichEd> too late for the footie !
[05:23] <dad> authoritative;
[05:23] <dad> subnet 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
[05:23] <dad>   range 192.168.0.20 192.168.0.250;
[05:23] <dad>   option domain-name "example.com";
[05:23] <dad>   option domain-name-servers 192.168.0.254;
[05:23] <dad>   option broadcast-address 192.168.0.255;
[05:23] <dad>   option routers 192.168.0.254;
[05:23] <dad>   option subnet-mask 255.255.255.0;
[05:23] <dad>   filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";
[05:23] <dad>   option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386";
[05:23] <dad> }
[05:23] <ogra> rodarvus, the sprint is actually 99% hacking in silence ...
[05:23] <dad> you mean like this
[05:24] <rodarvus> ogra: yeah, I agree - my point is - it would be great for us to get in touch with RichEd
[05:24] <ogra> dad, please use a partebot servcie for pastes longer than 5 lines
[05:24] <Petaris> dad: please use a paste service for that
[05:24] <rodarvus> (as he said, for a few hours, possibly)
[05:24] <RichEd> not much different than my office (are you allowed to have the radio on ?)
[05:24] <ogra> rodarvus, absolutely
[05:24] <Petaris> like http://phpfi.com/
[05:24] <ogra> *pastebot
[05:24] <ogra> RichEd, haha
[05:24] <rodarvus> RichEd: earphones ;)
[05:25] <RichEd> even a chat over dinner would help ... very much talking about how to get humans chosing the s/w ... will be a break from getting devices to communicate ...
[05:25] <rodarvus> Generalkonsulat der Bundesrepublik Deutschland -> /me checking if needs visa to enter germany :D
[05:25] <RichEd> drinks would help with former ... not the latter :)
[05:26] <RichEd> will check out link & suggest a plan to you guys ... then on to Clan for approval by Silbs ...
[05:26] <Petaris> dad: http://phpfi.com/132319
[05:26] <rodarvus> no, I don't need a visa - good
[05:27] <Petaris> rodarvus: If not visa then use MasterCard  ;p
[05:27] <dad> would that be the config file the eth0:1 ?
[05:27] <rodarvus> :)
[05:28] <Petaris> dad: that would be the dhcp config
[05:28] <dad> yes 
[05:28] <dad> I mean for tha alias?
[05:28] <Petaris> with eth0:1 set to 192.168.1.1
[05:28] <dad> Ok
[05:29] <RichEd> [ sprint will take place from 09.00 Monday 21st - 17.30 Friday 25th August 2006 ]  p'raps meet for dinner Sunday evening - because then i could book my flight from Cape Town to London via  Frankfurt & just break the conection for 24 hours
[05:29] <Petaris> dad: I am fairly certain this shoule work
[05:29] <Petaris> er, should
[05:30] <dad> where do I add this alias card? network tools? or device manager?
[05:32] <Petaris> dad: /etc/network/interfaces
[05:33] <rodarvus> RichEd: we usually (afaik) have a "welcome dinner" on sunday evening, so that could be good timing for you to show up
[05:33] <dad> could you take me through the process of commnads or link me a page that explains it.
[05:33] <Petaris> sec
[05:34] <RichEd> okay will investig8
[05:35] <Petaris> dad: login as root
[05:35] <Petaris> or sudo this command
[05:35] <Petaris> sudo nano -w /etc/network/interfaces
[05:36] <dad> ok
[05:36] <Petaris> then use this format
[05:36] <Petaris> http://phpfi.com/132322
[05:36] <Petaris> jsut change the address to match your needs
[05:36] <Petaris> you only need eth0 and eth0:1
[05:36] <Petaris> I use a few more ;)
[05:39] <dad> http://phpfi.com/132323
[05:40] <dad> this is my setting for eth0
[05:40] <Petaris> You can't use dhcp
[05:40] <Petaris> you have to use static
[05:40] <Petaris> sec
[05:41] <dad> so the only think that changes is the ip address, the rest is the same, right?
[05:41] <Petaris> no, sec
[05:44] <Petaris> http://phpfi.com/132324
[05:44] <Petaris> that should work for you
[05:45] <Petaris> if you have the ability I would login to your dsl router and exclude the 192.168.0.254 address from its dhcp range
[05:45] <Petaris> you don't have to, but it might be a good idea
[05:48] <dad> DHCP Range:  	 	192.168.1.33 - 192.168.1.250
[05:49] <dad> that's my range
[05:58] <Petaris> on your dsl router?
[05:58] <Petaris> or in your dhcpd.conf file?
[05:58] <dad> dsl router
[05:58] <Petaris> hrm
[05:58] <Petaris> so you currently have a 192.168.1.* address
[05:58] <Petaris> what does ifconfig say?
[05:58] <Petaris> er, ifconfig eth0
[05:58] <RichEd> rodarvus: will look at trying to get there for a few hours & discuss tomorrow ... flights in Lufthansa look good on special offer on front page put when you ask for anything, they double in price
[05:58] <RichEd> but <- put
[05:58] <dad> http://phpfi.com/132326
[05:58] <Petaris> Hi highvoltage
[05:58] <Petaris> dad: ok, just a sec
[05:58] <Petaris> we need to adjust a few things
[05:58] <RichEd> hi highvoltage: how's dodge city ?
[05:58] <Petaris> dad: that is a pretty screwy setup for the dsl box to come with, has this been modified before?
[05:59] <dad> no
[06:00] <highvoltage> hi Petaris and RichEd :)
[06:00] <highvoltage> RichEd: i'm staying in a nice guest house here, the CSIR buildings are also quite nice
[06:00] <RichEd> pretoria ?
[06:00] <highvoltage> yep
[06:01] <rodarvus> highvoltage: hello!
[06:01] <highvoltage> hello rodarvus!
[06:01] <highvoltage> rodarvus: how are things your side?
[06:01] <RichEd> my in-laws live around there Menlyn (... my base when i am up in Johannesburg ) JaneW's dad
[06:01] <rodarvus> all fine :)
[06:02] <Petaris> dad: is there anything (that you know of) in the 192.168.0. range?
[06:02] <highvoltage> I went to Menlyn mall yesterday. also very nice.
[06:03] <dad> I just two computers in my house. And I have not set up any networking 
[06:04] <Petaris> hrm
[06:04] <dad> I am just testing this system, here
[06:04] <Petaris> then we can assume that the 192.168.0 range is open and can be used
[06:05] <Petaris> dad: What is your gateway currently set to?
[06:05] <Petaris> 192.168.1.1?
[06:05] <LaserJock> hi highvoltage and rodarvus 
[06:05] <rodarvus> hi LaserJock!
[06:05] <jsgotangco> hey
[06:06] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco 
[06:07] <jsgotangco> bah
[06:07] <jsgotangco> ubuntu 24/7
[06:07] <LaserJock> hehe
[06:07] <LaserJock> I think I got the smack down last night
[06:08] <jsgotangco> oh?
[06:08] <LaserJock> I'm guessing I won't be on here on weekends from now on ;-)
[06:08] <jsgotangco> haha
[06:08] <dad> 192.168.0.1
[06:09] <RichEd> well i might be back to ask how to fix my tri-boot ... 
[06:09] <LaserJock> something about volunteering for Ubuntu ~40 hrs a week doesn't really appeal to my wife
[06:09] <Petaris> hrm
[06:10] <Petaris> dad: thats odd
[06:10] <LaserJock> RichEd: oh heah, you're Mr. JaneW?
[06:11] <RichEd> errr no, she's Mrs RichEd ;)
[06:11] <Petaris> dad: try this http://phpfi.com/132330
[06:11] <Petaris> but you will have to change your dhcp.conf file a little
[06:12] <LaserJock> RichEd: hehe, sure
[06:12] <dad> that gateway info was from the netstat routing table
[06:12] <dad> http://phpfi.com/132331
[06:13] <LaserJock> RichEd: nice to see you here, welcome aboard
[06:13] <dad> here is the detailed info  from the router interface
[06:16] <RichEd_out_now> thanks LaserJock  ... yes i am really going now :)
[06:18] <Petaris> dad: thats for the routers external interface, do you have the info for the internal interface?
[06:19] <dad> I see
[06:20] <dad> Anyhow the info from the netstat from networl tools, is that valid?
[06:20] <dad> I went to administration then network tools then netstat
[06:22] <dad> it says:  destination URL 0.0.0.0 and then gateway 192.168.0.1
[06:22] <Petaris> dad: ok
[06:23] <Petaris> dad: try making those changes I suggested then we need to change the dhcp.conf file
[06:25] <dad> what changes to dhcp.conf file? did you already give me that?
[06:26] <Petaris> no, we need to make some changes, post it so I can see what you have
[06:30] <dad> you have gateway 192.168.1.1 in that last post 
[06:30] <dad> should that be changed to 192.168.0.1
[06:31] <dad> http://phpfi.com/132330 this post
[06:36] <Petaris> dad: yes, it should be changed to 192.168.0.1
[06:39] <dad> http://phpfi.com/132340
[06:47] <Petaris> dad: looks good
[06:47] <Petaris> now lets make the changes to dhcpd.conf, post your config as it is now
[06:48] <Petaris> from /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf
[06:48] <dad> ok
[06:52] <dad> http://phpfi.com/132343 like this?
[06:55] <Petaris> dad: http://phpfi.com/132344
[06:55] <Petaris> try that
[07:13] <dad> I don't see eth0:1 in my device list in the network tools!
[07:15] <Petaris> dad: did you restart your network and dhcp services?
[07:28] <dad> I did this command sudo /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start
[07:28] <dad> I did not get any replies whether it did actually start!
[07:31] <Petaris> you would want restart not start
[07:32] <Petaris> you also want /etc/init.d/networking restart
[07:39] <ogra> heh ...
[07:39] <ogra> juliux is nagging for money :)
[07:40] <cbx33> ogra, I'm almost there on the gisomount pacakge
[07:43] <jsgotangco> ciao guys
[07:43] <jsgotangco> later
[07:58] <juliux> ogra, not me ;)
[07:59] <ogra> well, the kassenwart in you :)
[08:15] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[08:27] <cbx33> ogra, gisomount is ready to go
[08:27] <cbx33> LaserJock, just advocated it
[08:29] <cbx33> bbl
[08:33] <Petaris> ogra: Who was it that was working on AD integration?
[08:33] <ogra> ajmitch
[08:34] <Petaris> ok, thanks
[08:34] <Petaris> Do you know if he has had much luck?
[08:49] <Burgwork> Petaris, he is a smart and dedicated person, so I don't doubt he is making good progress
[08:49] <Petaris> Burgwork: Ok, you know if hes documenting his progress somewhere?
[08:50] <Burgwork> he should be. Ping hin
[08:50] <Burgwork> him, rather
[08:50] <Petaris> ajmitch: ping
[08:51] <Burgwork> Petaris, I don't he is in here. But he is #ubuntu-devel
[08:52] <Petaris> Burgwork: Ahh, ok
[08:52] <Petaris> I'll pop over there
[09:13] <LaserJock> ohh, Wiesbaden
[09:13] <LaserJock> that would be fun
[09:14] <LaserJock> is that far from you ogra?
[09:14] <ogra> 250km
[09:14] <ogra> or 300, not sure
[09:15] <rodarvus> this summit in gemany must be very un-cool for ogra and the rest of the germans on canonical :)
[09:15] <ogra> its less travelling
[09:16] <LaserJock> I'm sure even the Germans love other parts of Germany ;-)
[09:16] <ogra> but i was just considering to go to san francisco the week before 
[09:16] <rodarvus> well, uds paris was not that far for you, too
[09:16] <ogra> to visit linuxworld
[09:16] <LaserJock> ogra: really?
[09:16] <ogra> well, i wont i guess
[09:16] <LaserJock> :(
[09:16] <ogra> i need to have some time at home ...
[09:16] <LaserJock> sure
[09:16] <ogra> and my move will only be done by aug 1st
[09:17] <LaserJock> but that would only be a 4 hr drive for me
[09:17] <rodarvus> san francisco would be a, hmm... very long drive for me :)
[09:18] <rodarvus> (I guess at least about 4 weeks)
[09:18] <LaserJock> hehe
[09:19] <rodarvus> (after calculating) 2.5-4 weeks, non-stop
[09:19] <rodarvus> 2.5-3
[09:20] <rodarvus> but you have to add a few days if you plan to sleep :)
[09:20] <ogra> 2.5-3 is -0.5, isnt it ? 
[09:21] <ogra> that means you gain half a week by going to sf :)
[09:21] <rodarvus> haha
[09:21] <rodarvus> timewarp!
[09:21] <ogra> yeah
[09:30] <Amaranth> *sigh*
[09:30] <Amaranth> Google is starting to seriously piss me off.
[09:30] <ogra> Amaranth, ?
[09:31] <Amaranth> I still haven't gotten the first payment.
[09:31] <ogra> they mailed about starting to send out the money one or two weeks ago
[09:32] <Amaranth> They said something was wrong if people didn't have it by July 5th.
[09:32] <ogra> did you ping them ? 
[09:32] <Amaranth> I've now got $700 charged onto the credit card attached to my bank account because of things going through my empty account.
[09:33] <Amaranth> Yeah, 3 times.
[09:33] <Amaranth> No update.
[09:33] <Amaranth> Nothing you can do, this is just me venting.
[09:47] <LaserJock> ogra: is pessulus older than sabayon?
[09:48] <ogra> i dont think so
[09:48] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:49] <Burgwork> LaserJock, no, newer
[09:49] <LaserJock> k, that's what I thought, but pessulus seems to have more activity so I wondered
[09:50] <Burgwork> sabayon was started as a project within rh and then basically got dropped
[09:50] <ogra> vuntz is a bored guy :P
[09:50] <Burgwork> likely due to seth being reassigned
[09:50] <Burgwork> pessulus was pure vuntz, who was bored
[09:50] <LaserJock> hmm :/
[09:51] <Burgwork> however, vuntz just got a comaintainer for pessulus
[09:54] <LaserJock> I'm not sure how it's going to work if a student is assigned to more than one group
[09:54] <LaserJock> seems like you would have to merge/overlay the profiles
[09:56] <Burgwork> hmm, tricky
[09:57] <LaserJock> seems like sabayon's code hasn't been touched (with the exception of an Xnest thing) in 8 months
[09:58] <Burgwork> that is likely true
[09:58] <Burgwork> I suspect seth was moved elsewhere by rh
[09:58] <LaserJock> Alexander Larsson seems to be doing most of the latest work
[10:02] <Burgwork> I think he got assigned after, but he also does some other stuff with gnome at rh
[10:05] <rodarvus> isn't Seth an interaction designer? (UI architect, etc - whatever be the name you want to give it :) )
[10:05] <Burgwork> yes, he is
[10:05] <ogra> yrp
[10:05] <ogra> err
[10:05] <ogra> yep
[10:05] <ogra> and he holds wonderful talks ;)
[10:05] <Burgwork> hence why sabayon has a completely innovative UI, not a rehash of kiosktools
[10:05] <rodarvus> so, I don't think he wrote Sabayon himself - he probably designed the way it would work, though
[10:06] <rodarvus> *nods*
[10:07] <rodarvus> heh
[10:09] <LaserJock> so now I go back to wonder, would it be better to ship .menu files, extend alacarte to use for editing, and write a small tool that puts the selected menus in the user's ~/
[10:09] <Burgwork> you would still have conflicts
[10:09] <LaserJock> yes, but .menu conflicts would be easier than to teach sabayon conflicts
[10:10] <Burgwork> better to extend sabayon to understand modular profiles
[10:10] <LaserJock> the problem with sabayon would be  you would have confilcts on lots of stuff, not just menus
[10:10] <Amaranth> Here is my idea: Set XDG_DATA_DIRS based on the user's group. Alacarte (at least 0.9) should edit that menu instead of the root menu.
[10:12] <Amaranth> The only problem with that is that you have to create the .menu files when you create a new group.
[10:12] <Amaranth> (and of course I'd have to add root menu editing back into alacarte)
[10:12] <LaserJock> Burgwork: what do you mean by modular profiles?
[10:13] <Burgwork> breaking out menu, etc.
[10:14] <LaserJock> oh, yeah
[10:14] <Burgwork> a sabayon server with a webfront end would rock
[10:14] <Burgwork> elminate the issue of having sabayon only useable on linux pcs
[10:17] <ogra> we'll get something like that in the future :)
[10:20] <LaserJock> so basically I need to: teach sabayon about groups, make it understand modular prfiles, and make sure it handles conflicts
[10:39] <LaserJock> hmm, would have been handy if they left doc strings or comments
[11:45] <cbx33> hi all
[11:46] <cbx33> ping ogra 
[11:48] <mhz> cbx33: hi there
[11:48] <cbx33> hi mhz