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| DSG | hi | 12:19 |
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| j_baer | I'm new to launchpad, is there a good learning resource available? | 12:58 |
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| DSG | hello | 01:00 |
| j_baer | hello ... | 01:01 |
| DSG | I'm downloading ubuntu | 01:01 |
| j_baer | That's great how is it going? | 01:02 |
| DSG | good | 01:02 |
| DSG | but | 01:03 |
| DSG | i don't know how install it | 01:03 |
| j_baer | The installation is really easy from the live CD. | 01:03 |
| DSG | i ordered | 01:04 |
| j_baer | When the download is complete, burn the ISO to CD and then boot. | 01:04 |
| j_baer | I'm sorry, you orderd ... | 01:05 |
| DSG | sorry i don't speak much english | 01:05 |
| j_baer | Ok, how may I help u ? | 01:06 |
| DSG | i downloaded gentoo and i burned but don't make nothing | 01:07 |
| j_baer | I'm not familiar with Gentoo ... | 01:07 |
| DSG | gentoo is a linux distributor | 01:08 |
| DSG | the readme say burn the iso | 01:09 |
| DSG | and i do it | 01:09 |
| DSG | but don't make nothing | 01:10 |
| j_baer | Is the desktop KDE? | 01:10 |
| DSG | yes | 01:10 |
| j_baer | Did you use K3B? | 01:11 |
| DSG | no | 01:11 |
| DSG | what is K3B ?? | 01:12 |
| j_baer | K3B is the CD burning program for KDE. | 01:12 |
| DSG | i use nero | 01:13 |
| j_baer | You should be able to right click the ISO file and be presented with "Burn To CD" option. | 01:16 |
| DSG | I ordered ubuntu | 01:17 |
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| DSG | i ordered ubuntu in ubuntu.com | 01:18 |
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| DSG | hellooooooooooooooo | 01:21 |
| DSG | some motherfucker here ?????? | 01:26 |
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| jamesh | stub: I guess I'd need another apache redirection to handle librarian.demo.launchpad.net | 05:06 |
| stub | Ahh... yes | 05:08 |
| stub | Shall I RT it? | 05:08 |
| stub | Or we can just run with http://carbon.ubuntu.com:666 | 05:08 |
| jamesh | would that get through the data centre firewall? | 05:11 |
| stub | Maybe ;) | 05:11 |
| stub | I can't remember if we are using Librarian SSL yet | 05:12 |
| stub | What port are you running the librarian on? I'll RT it anyway. | 05:12 |
| jamesh | 8000 (same as production) | 05:13 |
| jamesh | cron jobs on chinstrap seem to have borked again | 05:14 |
| jamesh | lifeless: no cron jobs on chinstrap again, so rocketfuel-built isn't being updated | 05:25 |
| lifeless | jamesh: care to RT it flagged as urgent ? | 05:26 |
| jamesh | lifeless: I sent a mail in reply to my previous RT request. Would it be better to file another? | 05:26 |
| lifeless | I would file a new one, as the old would have been closed. | 05:27 |
| jamesh | fair enough | 05:27 |
| stub | I think RT is down again :-( | 05:29 |
| jamesh | looks like chinstrap was restarted over the weekend, which is probably related | 05:29 |
| lifeless | elmo: perchance you are around ? ^^ | 05:31 |
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| mpt | Gooooooooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! | 05:32 |
| jamesh | lifeless: okay. sent anotherone | 05:34 |
| mpt | Wow, 68412 items in the import queue? | 05:40 |
| mpt | (for Rosetta) | 05:40 |
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| === Topic for #launchpad: https://launchpad.net/ | developer meeting: Thu 20 July, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 | ||
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| SteveA | morning | 08:41 |
| SteveA | lifeless: pqm processed a request of mine from last night. the merge went through, but I received no "success" message. | 08:41 |
| lifeless | SteveA: I have no idea why. | 08:43 |
| lifeless | SteveA: probably dc glitches - there was a mail outage @ubuntu.com in some manner | 08:43 |
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| === Topic (#launchpad): set by mpt_ at Sat Jul 15 11:21:55 2006 | ||
| jamesh | stub: cool. That'll include the branch scanner fixes (I guess there is no point in cherry picking them now) | 09:24 |
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| carlos | morning | 09:48 |
| carlos | stub: hi, did you migrate POSubmission duplicates ? | 09:49 |
| stub | carlos: no | 09:50 |
| carlos | any chance to get that done today or tomorrow? | 09:53 |
| stub | Yes. Tomorrow definitely. Hopefully this evening. | 09:53 |
| carlos | ok, thanks | 09:58 |
| SteveA | lifeless: the "success" mail came through eventually | 10:06 |
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| SteveA | jamesh: hi | 10:22 |
| jamesh | hi SteveA | 10:22 |
| SteveA | jamesh: great work on the python bug imports. | 10:22 |
| SteveA | I'd like you to put the zope specs on the same server | 10:22 |
| jamesh | good idea | 10:22 |
| SteveA | we can add the relevant zope people to the mail whitelist too | 10:23 |
| jamesh | we'll need to set up the relevant cron jobs for the demo server | 10:23 |
| jamesh | and I guess another POP box if we want the incomming email interface to function | 10:24 |
| SteveA | right | 10:35 |
| SteveA | stub: what have you asked the admins to set up so far for the demo server? | 10:35 |
| stub | outstanding or everything? | 10:35 |
| stub | I forgot about the POP box | 10:35 |
| stub | rt13853, rt14018, rt14265 | 10:35 |
| jamesh | I only just thought of the POP box now | 10:35 |
| stub | plus accounts for jamesh and sudo access, for which I've lost the rt job numbers | 10:36 |
| SteveA | we have two weeks left for the challenge, but it would be good to get this running very soon, so that we can get feedback from the tech committee | 10:38 |
| SteveA | and have an opportunity to respond to it | 10:38 |
| SteveA | before the deadline | 10:38 |
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| jamesh | SteveA: okay. So we need to decide which bits are necessary for announcing our entry | 10:41 |
| jamesh | SteveA: some of these things could be done after the entry (like the keyword stuff): we just need to give an approximate timeframe | 10:41 |
| SteveA | yes | 10:41 |
| SteveA | although, we can't expect them to take keywords into account if they aren't available to see before the deadline | 10:42 |
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| jamesh | Sure. Are we in a position to get all this stuff done by the deadline? | 10:44 |
| SteveA | the minimum is to get stuff running on the demo server without keywords | 10:48 |
| SteveA | we should talk with Znarl about how this can be fitted into the current sysadmin work | 10:49 |
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| stub | The admins seem fine on this - the only outstanding requests are the email whitelist and the librarian redirect (which was only requested today). | 10:52 |
| SteveA | cool | 10:52 |
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| SteveA | stub: there's something odd going on on staging with the spec dependency trees. I'm looking into it. The images are rendered, but not included in a page. | 10:56 |
| SteveA | stub: just spoke to mark, and that' show it is meant to work | 11:00 |
| stub | Hmm | 11:02 |
| jamesh | https://blueprint.staging.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ue-partitioning-tool <- the graph seems to look okay here | 11:11 |
| SteveA | jamesh: yep. I was confused becuase a spec with no dependencies/blockers doesn't have a graph | 11:11 |
| SteveA | So, I saw it, and thought "oh, the graphs aren't rendering" | 11:12 |
| jamesh | might be worth doing some tweaking for graphs like https://blueprint.staging.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-express | 11:19 |
| SteveA | yes | 11:21 |
| SteveA | two things are happening about that | 11:21 |
| SteveA | 1. the nodes will be getting smaller with the latest RF, as the node name will be on one line, and the (assignee) on the next | 11:22 |
| SteveA | 2. currently with PQM is a patch to add a page to give you the DOT output of the spec graph, so we can take that and experiment doing constraints / partial layouts to try and improve graphs we see in production | 11:22 |
| jamesh | if we do end up with performance issues with the graphs, a good approach would be to look at caching the results based on a hash of the dot input file (since identical input should result in identical output) | 11:25 |
| jamesh | which would probably be faster than having a long running daemon | 11:26 |
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| SteveA | jamesh: that would work, as I was quite careful to give predictably sorted output, for writing the tests | 11:31 |
| carlos | danilos: hi, around? | 11:35 |
| mpt | SteveA, if the diagrams only ever show one level of dependency in each direction, it would be safer to arrange the levels horizontally rather than vertically | 11:43 |
| mpt | since there wouldn't be more than three of them | 11:44 |
| SteveA | they don't show only one level | 11:45 |
| SteveA | are you proposing that they should? | 11:45 |
| mpt | no, but the two I've seen so far do | 11:45 |
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| SteveA | jordi: ping | 11:46 |
| mpt | yay, timeout | 11:47 |
| SteveA | mpt: that's kind of opaque. is it an interseting timeout? | 11:48 |
| mpt | Only in the sense that it's the first two timeouts I've seen in several months | 11:50 |
| mpt | but it's on staging, so maybe matsubara hasn't tweaked the limit yet | 11:50 |
| mpt | matsubara's work has been paying off | 11:51 |
| danilos | carlos: yeah, back in a min again | 11:51 |
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| lifeless | spiv: jamesh: SteveA: bzr-launchpad meeting time | 12:04 |
| jamesh | okay | 12:11 |
| stub | mpt: matsubara has tweaked the timeout | 12:12 |
| stub | Is there a process lock ensuring only one graph renders at a time? It might take a long time to render a graph for a spec with a more complex dependency tree. | 12:13 |
| SteveA | there is no lock | 12:13 |
| SteveA | what would be the point? | 12:14 |
| SteveA | stub: I'd like to get staging updated to RF latest rev | 12:17 |
| SteveA | any objection? | 12:17 |
| stub | Nope | 12:17 |
| SteveA | is there a script to run? | 12:18 |
| === SteveA doesn't see anything in launchpad's crontab on asuka | ||
| stub | It is triggered from Jubany normally. Instructions are on the wiki... | 12:25 |
| stub | https://launchpad.canonical.com/StagingServerUpdate | 12:26 |
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| spiv | Hmm, there's a /people/$name/+branchlisting at the moment (similar to /product/$name/+branchlisting), but no links to it. | 12:39 |
| spiv | I'm tempted to remove it entirely. | 12:39 |
| lifeless | spiv: no links ? | 12:40 |
| doko | spiv: do you know, if the patch for 48301 is already in the 2.4 branch? | 12:40 |
| lifeless | spiv: not even from an authored branch or what have you ? | 12:40 |
| spiv | lifeless: not that I can find. | 12:41 |
| jamesh | spiv: seems to have been superceded by /people/$name/+branches | 12:41 |
| lifeless | spiv: also, is it a compact list, or a details list ? | 12:41 |
| spiv | doko: not afaik | 12:41 |
| spiv | lifeless: it's the details list. | 12:41 |
| spiv | lifeless: what you get if you click "Listing View" from /product/$name/+branches | 12:41 |
| spiv | Except there's no "Listing View" link from /people/$name/+branches. | 12:41 |
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| spiv | jamesh: Yeah, I guess so. | 12:42 |
| spiv | Anyway, I noticed this while updating pagetests/branches to use new-style page tests. | 12:43 |
| spiv | (while fixing those tests for ddaa's branch-ui changes) | 12:43 |
| spiv | Any objections to me just removing that? | 12:43 |
| spiv | Didn't think so ;) | 12:44 |
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| lifeless | review meeting in 5 | 12:55 |
| lifeless | spiv: I'd rather add it as a Listing View link :) | 12:56 |
| lifeless | spiv: predictability ;) | 12:56 |
| spiv | lifeless: Hmm. | 12:56 |
| lifeless | or remove the other. 6/1 1/2 of the other | 12:56 |
| spiv | lifeless: And then do the same for authored, registered, and subscribed branches? | 12:56 |
| spiv | So have a +authoredbranchlisting, etc? | 12:57 |
| lifeless | noidea | 12:57 |
| lifeless | seems like something to be datadriven to me | 12:57 |
| spiv | :) | 12:57 |
| spiv | Perhaps. | 12:57 |
| lifeless | +branchlisting?show=authored | 12:57 |
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| spiv | At the moment, we have +authoredbranches, etc, though. | 12:57 |
| lifeless | yup | 12:58 |
| jamesh | lifeless: it is the same view class and page template behind those different branch listing pages | 12:58 |
| lifeless | jamesh: I do realise that | 12:58 |
| lifeless | :) | 12:58 |
| spiv | I mainly just want to land David's branch-ui branch. | 12:58 |
| lifeless | just as a user, its kinda weird, and there are namespace issues to fit all the permutations in | 12:58 |
| lifeless | spiv: well, there are not all those permutations on the branches side. | 12:59 |
| lifeless | spiv: I'm just saying keep the two sides - product and people - in sync | 12:59 |
| spiv | So I'm going to take the easy option, and assume that seeing as no-one has missed the lack of a link to +branchlisting that it doesn't really matter. | 12:59 |
| spiv | Well, they're already out of sync. | 12:59 |
| lifeless | your call | 01:00 |
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| spiv | The task of "just land ddaa's simple UI branch" is at risk of massive feature creep if I take that on :) | 01:00 |
| spiv | s/feature/scope/ | 01:00 |
| lifeless | well | 01:01 |
| lifeless | deleting it is not a pre-req to landing | 01:01 |
| spiv | Sure. But deleting the tests more-or-less is. | 01:01 |
| spiv | I'm unkeen on leaving a mess of half old-style/half new-style pagetests. | 01:02 |
| spiv | Perhaps the mistake was letting the scope creep include updating the tests to new-style, instead of merely making them pass ;) | 01:02 |
| spiv | Anyway, I'll remove the offending tests, file bugs, and move on. | 01:03 |
| spiv | Also, review meeting! | 01:03 |
| lifeless | I think you have pinpointed the mistake. | 01:04 |
| lifeless | review meeting. | 01:04 |
| lifeless | who art here ? | 01:04 |
| BjornT | me | 01:04 |
| jamesh | me | 01:04 |
| lifeless | ok | 01:05 |
| spiv | me | 01:06 |
| lifeless | ah cool | 01:06 |
| lifeless | so theres nothing explicit this week | 01:06 |
| lifeless | anyone got stuff to bring up before we look at the queue ? | 01:06 |
| lifeless | next meeting same bat-time, same bat-channel ? | 01:07 |
| salgado | I'm here too | 01:07 |
| spiv | Sounds good. | 01:08 |
| jamesh | sure. | 01:08 |
| lifeless | coolies | 01:08 |
| lifeless | queue status: | 01:08 |
| lifeless | 8 items in the queue | 01:08 |
| lifeless | 4 of which are > 3 days | 01:08 |
| spiv | I think kiko's already reviewed bradb/launchpad/malone-landscape-hack/ -- I saw mail on the review list, so I think he's been slack about updating the status. | 01:09 |
| lifeless | so that makes 3 @ 4 days | 01:09 |
| salgado | I've already reviewed cprov's archive-tools and danilo's bug-1788, but they need a second review. I'll do them today. and will probably review cprov/repository/launchpad/buildd-ui today too | 01:10 |
| lifeless | how is the review load ? | 01:10 |
| lifeless | 4 days means 2 in actual fact, given the weekend, so its at the upper end of what we aim for as a service level. | 01:10 |
| lifeless | salgado: ? | 01:12 |
| spiv | The load's been ok, I've had the impression it's been a little higher this last week or so, but then maybe that's just because I spent 2 hours reviewing 447 lines earlier today ;) | 01:12 |
| salgado | oh, sorry. I think the load has been fine | 01:13 |
| lifeless | ok. | 01:13 |
| lifeless | well, please keep an eye on the queue - and if you are not going to get something reviewed within 2 days, please be sure to bounce it to someone else | 01:14 |
| salgado | it took me too long to review danilos' branch, because I reviewed it with him on IRC, explaining lots of things about launchpad that he wasn't aware yet | 01:14 |
| lifeless | we have plenty of reviewers to share around, though I do think the load is up somewhat. | 01:14 |
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| lifeless | any other business? | 01:16 |
| lifeless | 5 | 01:16 |
| SteveA | hi | 01:16 |
| lifeless | 4 | 01:16 |
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| SteveA | no comments from me | 01:17 |
| lifeless | 3 | 01:17 |
| lifeless | 2 | 01:18 |
| lifeless | 1 | 01:18 |
| lifeless | meeting over, thanks for comin | 01:18 |
| SteveA | jamesh: https://blueprint.staging.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-express/+deptreedotfile | 01:18 |
| jamesh | SteveA: cool. | 01:19 |
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| ivoks | hi | 01:22 |
| SteveA | jamesh: so, I had it set up with the dot file in vim, and a command cat myfile.dot | dot -Tpng > out.png, and gqview looking at out.png | 01:23 |
| SteveA | gqview is clever enough to notice when the file changes | 01:23 |
| SteveA | and update its image | 01:23 |
| SteveA | hi ivoks | 01:23 |
| carlos | ivoks: hi | 01:30 |
| carlos | ivoks: let me check... | 01:30 |
| ivoks | np | 01:30 |
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| carlos | ivoks: where did you upload your file? | 01:35 |
| ivoks | in dapper | 01:35 |
| carlos | ok | 01:35 |
| ivoks | i fixed manualy most of the errors searching trough web interface | 01:36 |
| ivoks | so, all needs review can be droped | 01:36 |
| ivoks | but i'm planing to get some .pos, fix them while on vacation and upload them by the end of this month | 01:37 |
| carlos | could you tell me more or less last time you tried to upload? | 01:38 |
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| ivoks | ummm... a week ago? | 01:38 |
| ivoks | i don't rembember exact date :/ | 01:38 |
| carlos | ok, that's enough | 01:39 |
| ivoks | i can try again... | 01:44 |
| carlos | ivoks: your import failed | 01:46 |
| carlos | ivoks: and our system was not able to notify you about it (our fault) | 01:46 |
| carlos | ivoks: could you execute msgfmt -c -v yourfile.po | 01:46 |
| carlos | ? | 01:46 |
| ivoks | eh... but that happens to everything i upload :/ | 01:46 |
| ivoks | sure | 01:46 |
| ivoks | warning: PO file header fuzzy | 01:47 |
| ivoks | warning: older versions of msgfmt will give an error on this | 01:47 |
| ivoks | that's it | 01:47 |
| ivoks | and 823 translated messages. | 01:47 |
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| ivoks | so, it failed for ubuntu-docs (both server and desktop guid), gnome-applets, gnome-panel (iirc)... | 01:48 |
| carlos | hmm, the last one I see failing is ubuntu-docs | 01:49 |
| ivoks | right, that's the last i tried | 01:49 |
| carlos | with a 'string not terminated' error | 01:49 |
| ivoks | on others i gave up and did it manually | 01:49 |
| carlos | please, try again with the .po file you just validated | 01:50 |
| ivoks | sure | 01:50 |
| carlos | and if you don't get any confirmation email today, file a bug with that file attached | 01:50 |
| ivoks | ok | 01:50 |
| carlos | ivoks: thank you | 01:50 |
| ivoks | thank you | 01:50 |
| ivoks | ok, just uploaded | 01:51 |
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| carlos | ok | 01:53 |
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| carlos | mdke_: hi, around? | 01:54 |
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| salgado | stub, ping | 01:57 |
| mdke_ | carlos: yes | 02:00 |
| carlos | mdke_: never mind, I was talking with danilo and wanted to note you about him working now with me on Rosetta, but he just told me that you already know each other | 02:01 |
| mdke_ | carlos: yes vaguely, that's great news! | 02:02 |
| === mdke_ hugs danilos | ||
| danilos | mdke_: hi there :) | 02:04 |
| === danilos hugs mdke_ back ;) | ||
| mdke_ | very cool that you are working on rosetta now | 02:05 |
| === mdke_ is now known as mdke | ||
| danilos | mdke: yeah, it's cool, lets just see how it turns out for rosetta as well :) | 02:05 |
| === mdke has no doubts | ||
| danilos | hehe, thanks :) | 02:06 |
| mdke | ok, lunch | 02:06 |
| danilos | enjoy it | 02:07 |
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| ploum | hello | 02:12 |
| ploum | can someone re-launch staging ? | 02:13 |
| ploum | (I don't remember if I must ping BjornT or someone else about this) | 02:13 |
| salgado | ploum, staging is rebuilt every day, so it's possible that it's being rebuilt right now. has it been down for a long time? | 02:17 |
| ploum | salgado: oh, I just saw it | 02:17 |
| ploum | but someone (I don't remember who) told me to tell here if staging is down | 02:17 |
| salgado | ploum, staging is running already. I can access it from here | 02:19 |
| ploum | indeed | 02:20 |
| ploum | so it was temporary | 02:20 |
| ploum | sorry | 02:20 |
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| carlos | ploum: I did | 02:27 |
| ploum | thanks :-) | 02:27 |
| carlos | I mean | 02:27 |
| carlos | I I think I told you I can start it again | 02:27 |
| carlos | I didn't fixed it today | 02:27 |
| carlos | ;-) | 02:27 |
| ploum | ah ok, so it's a bit brighter ;-) | 02:28 |
| ploum | I was not sure | 02:28 |
| ploum | (I'm really bad at remember people on IRC) | 02:28 |
| carlos | ploum: me too, that's why I said 'I think I did' ;-) | 02:31 |
| LarstiQ | funny | 02:33 |
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| carlos | see you later | 02:45 |
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| jgi | hello everyone | 03:28 |
| jgi | jordi, hello | 03:29 |
| jgi | I've just uploaded a tarball of WengoPhone's po files for review | 03:29 |
| jordi | jgi: okay | 03:30 |
| jordi | let me have a look | 03:30 |
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| jordi | jgi: any reason you upload an English file, or is that meant to be the template? | 03:39 |
| jgi | jordi, should the template contain only msg ids? | 03:39 |
| jordi | yes | 03:39 |
| jordi | it's typically named ".pot" | 03:39 |
| jgi | ok, is it the same than a .po files but with msg strs empy and a .pot extension? | 03:40 |
| jordi | yes | 03:40 |
| jordi | the t is for template | 03:40 |
| jgi | ok | 03:40 |
| jgi | then I can upload a new tarball with only a .pot file and a fr.po | 03:40 |
| jordi | ok, I was just asking because we normally don't import English translations (that is a file with msgstr which are exactly the same as the msgids) because there's no poibnt | 03:40 |
| jordi | don't worry | 03:40 |
| jordi | I can approve this and make rosetta believe it's a pot file | 03:41 |
| jgi | ok, that would be good | 03:41 |
| jordi | ok | 03:44 |
| jgi | jordi, i'll be right back | 03:44 |
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| jordi | jgi: voil! aThey are approved, and should appear soonish as imported | 03:49 |
| jgi | jordi: ok, I see there are templates here: https://launchpad.net/products/wengophone/trunk/+pots/qtwengophone/ , but there is no untranslated string. Is it normal? | 03:49 |
| jgi | jordi: and filtering translated strings show nothing too | 03:49 |
| jordi | jgi: it's being imported still I guess | 03:57 |
| jordi | wow my link is slow right now | 03:57 |
| jgi | jordi: how long does it take usually to import translations? | 04:15 |
| salgado | stub, I found a possible issue with that shipit constraint that checks the status and shipment. do you have some time to talk about it? | 04:18 |
| carlos | jgi: it depends on the amount of entries we have in the queue | 04:19 |
| jordi | jgi: should be in now | 04:21 |
| jordi | actually, your files failed. | 04:22 |
| jordi | You should have got an email | 04:22 |
| jordi | carlos: duplicate entries. | 04:22 |
| jordi | qtwengophone_en.po:124: duplicate message definition | 04:22 |
| jordi | qtwengophone_en.po:65: ...this is the location of the first definition | 04:22 |
| carlos | jordi: with that kind of failures we don't send an email (yet) | 04:24 |
| jordi | oh ok | 04:24 |
| cprov | stub: ping | 04:25 |
| jgi | jordi, carlos: actually i got an e-mail indeed | 04:27 |
| jordi | jgi: that gettext error is fatal | 04:27 |
| jordi | how are you generating your files? | 04:27 |
| jgi | jordi: using ts2po | 04:28 |
| jordi | hm, carlos, do you know any remedy for this? | 04:28 |
| jgi | jordi: which are the duplicate messages? | 04:30 |
| stub | cprov: pong | 04:30 |
| cprov | stub: do you have some minutes to perform the DBA request I did ? | 04:31 |
| carlos | jordi: fixing the duplicates ;-) | 04:31 |
| jordi | jgi: msgfmt -cCv yourfile.po | 04:31 |
| jordi | carlos: why does ts2po do this? | 04:32 |
| jordi | it generates unvaild files apparently | 04:32 |
| carlos | jordi: I don't know what's ts2po | 04:32 |
| danilos | jordi: most of the tools for OOo and Firefox do that as well... just pass them through msguniq | 04:32 |
| jordi | converts from Qt translation files to po | 04:33 |
| jordi | danilos: *nod*. Is tjhere a reason they do this? | 04:33 |
| danilos | jordi: because there might be two differing translations for same strings, and they can't decide which one is better | 04:33 |
| jordi | jgi: anyway, see what danilo said, msguniq them and you'll be done. | 04:33 |
| danilos | jordi: that's what I do in "xml2po -r" (reusing translations from XML files) as well | 04:33 |
| jordi | danilos: yuck | 04:33 |
| danilos | I mean, it's easy to simply use the first one, but maybe the second is better (there are options for msguniq for that ;-) | 04:34 |
| carlos | jordi: hmmm I think gettext already supports QT translation files... | 04:36 |
| jordi | well rosetta chokes on them then | 04:36 |
| carlos | no, it doesn't | 04:37 |
| carlos | gettext supports format strings from qt but from .cpp files | 04:37 |
| jordi | oh | 04:38 |
| jgi | carlos: *only* from .cpp files? | 04:39 |
| carlos | jgi: yeah that's what it says: | 04:39 |
| carlos | --qt recognize Qt format strings | 04:39 |
| carlos | (only language C++) | 04:39 |
| jgi | ok, but I mean it can also use strings that were written in header files | 04:40 |
| carlos | jgi: sure, sorry, only C++ source code | 04:40 |
| jgi | ok | 04:41 |
| jgi | Our strings are located only in C++ code AFAIK, but there might be some exceptions. I'll run msguniq and upload files again | 04:41 |
| carlos | jgi: if you only use C++ code, I think is much better if you use directly gettext | 04:43 |
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| jgi | jordi, should I upload msguniqed files again? If so, where should I do it? | 05:12 |
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| cprov | stub: ping | 05:17 |
| jgi | jordi, carlos: i've uploaded new files which went through msuniq, is there any way to know if import has failed? | 05:20 |
| carlos | jgi: https://launchpad.net/rosetta/imports/+index?target=products&status=FAILED&type=all | 05:21 |
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| jgi | carlos, on top of this page: https://launchpad.net/rosetta/imports/+index?target=products&status=all&type=all there is the first import of qtwengophone_fr.po and qtwengophone_en.po, but i can't see a trace of my second upload | 05:24 |
| carlos | it's there now | 05:27 |
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| carlos | so people finds their files | 05:27 |
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| DSG | hello | 05:29 |
| carlos | DSG: hi | 05:31 |
| DSG | do you speak spanish ?? | 05:32 |
| danilos | carlos does, bad badly ;) | 05:33 |
| DSG | because i don't speak much englesh | 05:34 |
| carlos | danilos: go away! | 05:34 |
| carlos | danilos: ;-) | 05:34 |
| danilos | :) | 05:34 |
| carlos | DSG: let's move to a private chat then... | 05:34 |
| jgi | carlos, I can see the french translation now, but there is no message to translate apparently. Are they supposed to come later when rosetta finish to process them? | 05:35 |
| carlos | yes, when it moves from 'Approved to Imported' | 05:37 |
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| jgi | carlos, it seems to be the case already | 05:38 |
| carlos | jgi: if Rosetta imported them, you should have a confirmation email | 05:39 |
| jgi | carlos, yes, I got two e-mails, one for the french translation, and one for the english translation | 05:40 |
| jgi | carlos, in the product status, it is also stated that WengoPhone "doesn't use Rosetta", is it ok? | 05:42 |
| carlos | jgi: no, you should note that you are using Rosetta. Once we have all products clean, I guess we should set it on automatically | 05:43 |
| jgi | carlos, ok | 05:43 |
| carlos | jgi: about the empy translations problem | 05:45 |
| carlos | jgi: you lack a .pot file upload | 05:45 |
| carlos | so the system thinks that you have no messages at all | 05:45 |
| jgi | carlos, where could I upload this? If I try to upload a .pot file it says it wants a .po file | 05:45 |
| jgi | I must be looking at the wrong place | 05:46 |
| jgi | hmm, maybe I found it: https://launchpad.net/products/wengophone/trunk/+translations-upload , right ? | 05:46 |
| jgi | carlos, done | 05:47 |
| carlos | jgi: next time, upload it to https://launchpad.net/products/wengophone/trunk/+pots/qtwengophone/+upload | 05:50 |
| carlos | and it will be imported automatically | 05:50 |
| carlos | +translations-upload requires that we review it, but don't worry | 05:50 |
| carlos | is not a bit problem ;-) | 05:58 |
| carlos | I will approve it now. | 05:58 |
| jgi | carlos, thanks :-) | 05:58 |
| carlos | jordi: wow, is drupal asking to use us to translate it officially ? there are a bunch of .pot files for drupal pending to be approved | 05:58 |
| carlos | jgi: done | 05:58 |
| jgi | carlos, ok thanks. However, it seems that there is still no message to translate :-( | 05:58 |
| carlos | jgi: it takes a while | 05:58 |
| jgi | ok | 05:58 |
| carlos | I just approved it | 05:58 |
| carlos | now we need to wait for the import script to process it | 05:58 |
| jgi | ok | 05:58 |
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| carlos | see you later | 06:01 |
| jgi | carlos, see you | 06:04 |
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| jordi | carlos: no, they aren't | 06:09 |
| jordi | it's an upload I need to sort out | 06:09 |
| jordi | but that'll be deleted | 06:09 |
| jordi | jgi: ah I see you sorted it out | 06:11 |
| jordi | jgi: ah I see you sorted it oui was having some food | 06:11 |
| jgi | jordi, yes, that's great | 06:14 |
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| jgi | thank you very much to everyone! | 06:14 |
| jordi | jgi: cool! | 06:18 |
| jgi | brb | 06:19 |
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| elmo | how does launchpad send mail? | 06:47 |
| elmo | does it invoke /usr/sbin/sendmail? | 06:47 |
| salgado | elmo, I think this is a question for BjornT! | 06:49 |
| stub | elmo: SMTP to localhost | 06:49 |
| stub | (or another SMTP server if you prefer) | 06:49 |
| elmo | stub: hum | 06:50 |
| elmo | got an easy way on carbon to try getting launchpad to send mail in the way it does | 06:51 |
| stub | telnet localhost 25 | 06:51 |
| stub | Or I can reconfigure the launchpad instance to turn email on - I don't think it will spam anyone as long as people don't randomly click ;) | 06:52 |
| elmo | hmm, ok | 06:52 |
| elmo | the problem is we can't do recipients ACLs on non-SMTP connections in exim | 06:53 |
| salgado | stub, talk to me, dude! kiko thinks we should use a trigger to change the status to shipped, when we update a request's shipment attribute, to avoid possible problems with the updates to status and shipment being performed on separate statements | 06:54 |
| salgado | stub, do you think a trigger is necessary or can we workaround it by issuing a raw SQL update? | 06:55 |
| stub | salgado: Seperate statements? Why? | 06:55 |
| stub | Even SQLObject should get that right... | 06:55 |
| salgado | stub, because I do request.status = shipped; request.shipment = shipment | 06:55 |
| salgado | it works fine, but I guess only because we use lazyUpdates | 06:55 |
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| stub | salgado: Lazy updates is good, so that isn't a problem. | 06:56 |
| stub | salgado: So kiko is tryng to work around problems that don't exist. Hasn't he got enough problems already?? | 06:57 |
| salgado | actually, I raised the problem | 06:57 |
| salgado | :/ | 06:57 |
| salgado | and he suggested using a trigger | 06:57 |
| stub | Stick with the way you have it. It will only break if lazy updates gets switched off, and that would be a good thing. | 06:58 |
| stub | elmo: What is the problem then? We are using SMTP, so we can do recipients ACLs. Or did you use one too many negatives in that sentence? | 06:59 |
| elmo | stub: I can't guard against the possiblity of launchpad slipping into non-SMTP mode without warning | 06:59 |
| elmo | and non-obvious things like mail(1) use non-SMTP | 07:00 |
| stub | elmo: ok. Launchpad only has one email sending routing (lib/canonical/launchpad/mail/sendmail.py), and it only uses SMTP. Z3 pulled out the sendmail stuff due to a security problem, and from Python we just use smtplib rather than calling mail or sendmail from a subprocess. So it will be safe. | 07:01 |
| elmo | ok | 07:04 |
| elmo | hmm, I have a cunning plan | 07:10 |
| jgi | how is it possible for a given project to change its translation group? | 07:11 |
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| kalosaurusrex | anyone know if the email support feature is working yet? | 08:43 |
| salgado | kalosaurusrex, if you mean, answering support requests by email, then yes, it should be working, I think | 08:54 |
| LarstiQ | salgado: the issue is starting support requests by mail | 08:55 |
| kalosaurusrex | how about sending support requests via email? | 08:56 |
| kalosaurusrex | LarstiQ: :) | 08:57 |
| kalosaurusrex | actually I want to be able to connect my launchpad stuff to a gmane mailing list. and have issues emailed from the mailing list, sent to gmane (already happens) and then sent to launchpad for tracking. | 08:57 |
| salgado | by looking at the code it seems to me that it's only possible to reply to an existing support request by email. :-( | 09:00 |
| salgado | kalosaurusrex, you might want to file a bug, explaining your use case. it shouldn't be hard to implement this | 09:01 |
| === LarstiQ has a look to see if there is not such a spec yet | ||
| flacoste | LarstiQ: there is | 09:04 |
| flacoste | LarstiQ: err, actually, it's not in the specification tracker | 09:05 |
| kalosaurusrex | salgado: okay I will! great. thanks! | 09:06 |
| flacoste | and the old one https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/TicketTrackerEmailInterface didn't cover creating new tickets by email | 09:07 |
| LarstiQ | ok, so kalosaurusrex should just file a new one on https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad-support-tracker ? | 09:09 |
| LarstiQ | flacoste: that wiki is not accessible for us outsiders | 09:09 |
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| flacoste | LarstiQ: wiki.launchpad.canonical.com should be | 09:10 |
| radix | can anyone tell me where the "add milestone" button is? | 09:10 |
| flacoste | LarstiQ: it's the old public wiki | 09:10 |
| LarstiQ | flacoste: indeed it is | 09:10 |
| LarstiQ | radix: good question, I can't find it | 09:12 |
| salgado | radix, the milestones are tied to productseries, so you have to create one or more productseries if you want to have milestones, I think | 09:12 |
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| radix | oh | 09:13 |
| salgado | radix, for instance, on https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad-support-tracker/1.0 you can see the link to add a milestone | 09:13 |
| radix | aha! | 09:13 |
| radix | ok, I found it in my "trunk" series | 09:13 |
| salgado | cool. :) | 09:14 |
| LarstiQ | that isn't easy to find out | 09:15 |
| niemeyer | Anyone with SQL access to launchpad around | 09:15 |
| niemeyer | ? | 09:15 |
| salgado | niemeyer, read or write? does it need to be production or would staging be enough? | 09:16 |
| niemeyer | salgado: read/write on production.. I just did something stupid adding dummy information to a product to try it out. | 09:16 |
| niemeyer | And I can't remove now | 09:16 |
| salgado | niemeyer, you need stub or SteveA, then | 09:17 |
| niemeyer | salgado: Thanks! | 09:17 |
| LarstiQ | Storm? | 09:18 |
| salgado | np | 09:18 |
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| kalosaurusrex | salgado: I entered the ticket. number 53292 | 09:36 |
| salgado | Ubugtu, bug 53292? | 09:36 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 53292 in launchpad-support-tracker "Email submit support ticket feature" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/53292 | 09:36 |
| salgado | thanks kalosaurusrex! | 09:37 |
| kalosaurusrex | salgado: and to you. I appreciate your help. | 09:38 |
| bradb | salgado: Can somebody log in to LP without having validated their email address (i.e. it's still NEW), and would LP prompt them to validate at that point? | 10:09 |
| bradb | i'm thinking of things we might see from importing data | 10:09 |
| bradb | and if, for example, in a demo instance we can set all email addresses to some not-validated state, to trigger this login-and-validate workflow, if there even is one | 10:10 |
| salgado | bradb, if that happens, we will send an email to the address that person tried to login with, with a link to validate that address and then be able to login. | 10:12 |
| salgado | so, although it's not possible to login without a preferred email, we catch that and start the validate-your-email process for them | 10:12 |
| salgado | (and we also tell them an email was sent, and that they need to follow the instructions there before logging in, obviously) | 10:12 |
| bradb | salgado: ok, so, IIUC: | 10:12 |
| bradb | let's say we have a demo instance, and we want to make sure we don't spam people... | 10:13 |
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| bradb | i should be able to update all the emailaddresses in this instance to be NEW, by default | 10:13 |
| bradb | then, anytime anyone logs in, they will be prompted to validate their email address | 10:13 |
| bradb | so only people who have specifically gone through this login-and-validate workflow will get email from the demo instance | 10:14 |
| bradb | right? | 10:14 |
| salgado | right | 10:14 |
| bradb | sweet! | 10:14 |
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| LarstiQ | bradb: if you need a guinnea pig for demo instance testing, ping me | 10:15 |
| bradb | LarstiQ: thanks...we're working on an import now, so i'll let you know | 10:15 |
| salgado | bradb, but there may be places in the code that assume .preferredemail is never None | 10:15 |
| bradb | salgado: right. i think we can consider those bugs, if people do find them | 10:16 |
| salgado | I'm not sure they're bugs, because they assume that if a person got there, that means this person had a preferredemail at some point | 10:17 |
| salgado | and once you have one, it's not possible (by normal means) to go back to a no-prefferedemail status | 10:17 |
| bradb | right | 10:17 |
| bradb | salgado: one other thing...if my email address is foo@bar.com, and there's an account that was created with that email address and no p/w, how can i "claim" that account? | 10:18 |
| bradb | (again, thinking data import) | 10:18 |
| salgado | you have to use the forgotten password form | 10:19 |
| bradb | salgado: and will this work, even if the email is not yet validated? | 10:20 |
| salgado | yep | 10:20 |
| bradb | salgado: does it reset the p/w and validate the email all at the same time in this case? | 10:21 |
| salgado | bradb, yes | 10:21 |
| bradb | salgado: nice! thanks for the info. /me continues replying to jamesh's mail. | 10:22 |
| salgado | bradb, no problem | 10:22 |
| LarstiQ | hmm | 10:50 |
| === LarstiQ thinks he is not getting bugmail he should | ||
| bradb | LarstiQ: you aren't | 10:53 |
| bradb | if you file a bug at /distros/$distroname/+filebug and specify a package, you won't get the bugmail | 10:53 |
| bradb | any other variation on filing a bug should send mail though. (i've already landed the fix and asked stub to cherrypick it into production.) | 10:53 |
| LarstiQ | bradb: I'm thinking of bzr-email, which should be owned by the bzr devs, yet I just saw it had bugs I've never seen before | 10:54 |
| LarstiQ | bradb: the difference with bzr proper is that lifeless is the registrant for the plugin, and bzr devs are the registrant for bzr | 10:56 |
| bradb | LarstiQ: https://launchpad.net/products/bzr-email. lifeless pwns it. | 10:56 |
| LarstiQ | ok, so this is user error | 10:56 |
| bradb | yeah | 10:56 |
| LarstiQ | thanks for hitting me over the head with that :) | 10:57 |
| bradb | heh | 10:57 |
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| bradb | ah, interesting | 10:59 |
| === bradb notes 32C is rather hot | ||
| === LarstiQ fully agrees | ||
| LarstiQ | I'm afraid it is even hotter than that here :/ | 11:04 |
| bradb | LarstiQ: wow, where's that? | 11:06 |
| LarstiQ | bradb: The Netherlands, flat roof | 11:06 |
| bradb | ah | 11:06 |
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