[12:40] <wachunei> hello?
[12:41] <mhb> wachunei: it's a bit late here
[12:41] <mhb> wachunei: hello to you too
[12:42] <wachunei> thanks mhb , do you only speak english?
[12:43] <wachunei> nevermind, i have an inkscape question, may i ask here?
[12:44] <mhb> some #inkscape channel could be better, I think
[12:44] <mhb> but you can ask (I don't know if I can answer, too)
[12:45] <wachunei> i need a perspective transform
[12:45] <AndyFitz> see you in #inkscape wachunei
[12:45] <AndyFitz> ;-)
[12:46] <mhb> wachunei: I think he's right ... (I'm too tired to answer)
[07:09] <troy_s> greetz mad
[07:09] <Madpilot> hi troy_s
[07:10] <troy_s> well i guess i should contact sheet the new stuffs.
[07:10] <troy_s> grr.
[12:05] <kwwii> moin
[02:03] <klepas> g'morgen
[06:43] <cyanescent> ahoy
[08:04] <troy_s> cyanescent, HES BACK
[08:04] <troy_s> yo niel you in bro?
[08:04] <cyanescent> hey yup.. thank god for the internet connection at this uni
[08:05] <cyanescent> had a panic session this morning though -- got a pone call at 8.30 saying I had to leave by 12 ;-(
[08:06] <troy_s> what happeend?
[08:08] <cyanescent> some misunderstanding... the house is given to us on lease by the uni. but they're all a bunch of nutty physicists with no idea how to plan accommodation.. so yesterday evening we got a family of 4 dropping in with the same keys saying they'd booked the room
[08:10] <cyanescent> I don't know the uni phoned saying they'd told us.. but they hadn't
[08:10] <cyanescent> so we thought we'd also got our bike stolen today... but it turns out the uni was scoping the bike stands to reclaim bikes without telling people either...
[08:11] <cyanescent> thank god I don't study here..
[08:11] <troy_s> eek
[08:11] <troy_s> sorry... i was mailing
[08:11] <cyanescent> brb..check on food
[08:14] <cyanescent> I saw mark's post.. sounds very confusing
[08:16] <troy_s> Yep
[08:16] <troy_s> But I tried to make a little sense of it.
[08:16] <cyanescent> not sure whether there is enough agreement between what the AC wants and the CC wants
[08:16] <troy_s> What I think he wants is for all development to pick up from the LSplash events.
[08:16] <troy_s> Well... there is no Art Council yet
[08:16] <troy_s> That said,
[08:16] <cyanescent> is Frank not AC ?
[08:17] <troy_s> frank is the artist in cheif
[08:17] <troy_s> yes.
[08:17] <troy_s> this is why i was pressuring the point
[08:17] <troy_s> to get some clear direction from above... it requires a little work, but i think i have a pretty good handle on where to go in the immediate future...
[08:23] (kwwii/#ubuntu-artwork) troy_s: I think so
[08:23] (cyanescent/#ubuntu-artwork) we really need a run down on what we need in submissions
[08:23] (kwwii/#ubuntu-artwork) which one are we talking about?
[08:23] (troy_s/#ubuntu-artwork) you see the lsplash mockups i forwarded?  they are pretty simple and plain, but with a distinct difference per version (subject to sizing composition, position etc)
[08:23] (troy_s/#ubuntu-artwork) the "Ubuntu" gloss... here.
[08:24] (troy_s/#ubuntu-artwork) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/GlassyLogo
[08:24] (troy_s/#ubuntu-artwork) the problem that i have with the illustrative gloss
[08:24] (cyanescent/#ubuntu-artwork) brb... need to cook
[08:24] (mhb/#ubuntu-artwork) kwwii: what wallpaper do you have in mind?
[08:24] <troy_s> was one that i brought up in paris -- it isn't easily extrapolated across a wallpaper
[08:24] <troy_s> or a larger area...
[08:24] <troy_s> so i need some good sketch proposals on a way to integrate it
[08:25] <troy_s> weidel's work has a good little background attempt that MIGHT work with it.
[08:25] <kwwii> mhb: not sure, feel free to keep proposing ideas :-)
[08:25] <kwwii> ahhh, yes, I did help him a little
[08:25] <troy_s> then we can bind the three things into one professional feel.
[08:25] <troy_s> (which is my main concern, i only bothered to contribute to at least get the ball rolling -- sometimes getting 'no' is better than getting nothing :) )
[08:26] <troy_s> kwwii:  you see my issue?
[08:26] <kwwii> I am still reading the emails :-)
[08:27] <kwwii> ok, so you want to make wiedels gloss stuff a bit more like the tangerine gloss look that who made?
[08:28] <troy_s> actually no
[08:28] <troy_s> i need you to brainstorm on how to take the illustrative simple gloss
[08:28] <troy_s> present on the human folder and who's logo
[08:28] <troy_s> and figure out a nice way to get that integrated into something on a wallpaper
[08:29] <troy_s> with a variant for a gdm
[08:29] <troy_s> with me?
[08:29] <troy_s> because obviously the wallpaper lacks logo etc.
[08:29] <troy_s> weidel's wallpaper has one set that has a good background that MIGHT be a starting point.
[08:30] <kwwii> one second, wife
[08:31] <troy_s> good name for a band
[08:31] <troy_s> "One Second Wife"
[08:32] <cyanescent> heheh
[08:33] <kwwii> hehe
[08:33] <troy_s> cyanescent, did frank talk to you about the illuminating meshes yet?
[08:33] <cyanescent> no. I suppose I should give him the gmail account
[08:33] <troy_s> i think that gloss can be easily transitionned into a very 'illustrative' gloss via a few oil canvas passes
[08:33] <troy_s> laf.
[08:34] <kwwii> hrm
[08:34] <troy_s> its very easy... oil canvas then selective gaussian blurs stacked up
[08:35] <troy_s> ends up looking very illustrative
[08:35] <kwwii> the problem about the gloss on the logo is that it has a hard line, not sure how easy that is to put in a bg
[08:35] <troy_s> that said, i would really
[08:35] <troy_s> exactly!
[08:35] <cyanescent> heh... well it's one style or another IMO. 3D doesn't always work, and if sabdfl doesn't want, there is no need to go further down that road
[08:35] <troy_s> that's why i need you to pound out some sketches... look to some sort of obscure shapes that would be well suited to the background.
[08:35] <kwwii> well, I would make the background soft and fuzzy, then it doesn't matter
[08:35] <troy_s> cyanescent, agree... but this is for futures :)
[08:35] <kwwii> something like fyre produces with nice gradients
[08:35] <troy_s> soft and fuzzy doesn't carry the same gloss though
[08:36] <troy_s> and carrying the gloss is one step towards achieving the professionalism we are looking for
[08:36] <troy_s> so that things feel cohesive...
[08:36] <troy_s> here... let me snag the link.
[08:36] <cyanescent> troy_s can't you just remix some of the colours on your backgrounds ?
[08:36] <cyanescent> fyre with honey ?
[08:37] <cyanescent> well... fyre has many lines which may get in the way of the hard line
[08:37] <troy_s> cyanescent, it is easy to get variants into usable items if you realize that proposals are very loose.
[08:37] <troy_s> kwwii
[08:37] <troy_s> kwwii https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/WallpaperProposal
[08:37] <troy_s> top two under Weidel's proposal section
[08:37] <troy_s> those shapes would fit to gloss well i think
[08:37] <troy_s> and they are quite stylish
[08:38] <troy_s> cyanescent, it is very easy when you have a full team of artists to look at bigger pictures, but when you are liasing with folks who aren't artist inclined, it can be difficult at first.
[08:39] <kwwii> troy_s: you mean the rendered grey and brown stuff (that looks so damn cool)?
[08:40] <troy_s> the brown set
[08:40] <troy_s> yes
[08:40] <troy_s> minus the brand
[08:40] <troy_s> something like waves with the gloss applied over it?
[08:40] <troy_s> is where i am thinking
[08:40] <troy_s> and this is sort of your forte, so you could be of great assistance.
[08:41] <kwwii> I would suggest staying away from that idea....I actually just tried it not to long ago, and it tends to make things look funky (you only notice that it looks like glass from far away because of the size of the effect
[08:41] <troy_s> well weidel's is simple enough to work
[08:42] <troy_s> it is already glossy (not in the same style though)
[08:42] <troy_s> and it isn't too busy
[08:42] <kwwii> I think that if you use the same kind of gradients as in the logo in his abstract bg stuff it will do the trick
[08:44] <troy_s> yes
[08:44] <troy_s> that background with a subtle gloss twint across the tops of the emboss
[08:44] <troy_s> although the shapes are completely arbitrary
[08:44] <troy_s> i have a few folks working in that direction now.
[08:44] <troy_s> and i would dearly appreciate your help.
[08:45] <kwwii> troy_s: look at http://bootsplash.org/edgy3a.png
[08:45] <kwwii> you mean that kind of effect (only not soo pronounced, etc.)?
[08:46] <troy_s> hold...downing
[08:47] <troy_s> the top gloss... basically white to transparent (if i remember correctly) in a sweepy curve, top to bottom, across a good series of shapes.  Coupled with a gradient.
[08:47] <troy_s> pretty basic, but i think we can limit this game of battleship if we get a bunch of stuff like that on the table.
[08:47] <troy_s> OK I LIED
[08:47] <troy_s> looking at the folder again
[08:47] <troy_s> it is white gloss on top
[08:48] <troy_s> looks like an almost radial grad too, no?  how do you do it?
[08:48] <kwwii> that is the problem
[08:48] <troy_s> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/GlassyLogo
[08:48] <troy_s> well just make a bunch of curves on the background, and emboss them
[08:48] <troy_s> then apply your technique
[08:48] <troy_s> how's that?
[08:48] <troy_s> with me?
[08:49] <kwwii> well, it is simply a gradient from white to transparent, but it gets cut off by the curve
[08:49] <kwwii> it is really simple
[08:49] <troy_s> yes...
[08:49] <troy_s> so we need curves
[08:49] <troy_s> because that sells it
[08:49] <troy_s> so a few abstract wavy lines...
[08:49] <kwwii> to which pic?, the brown version from wiedel with a logo in it?
[08:49] <troy_s> i can bang out some sketches if it would help for a given background.
[08:49] <kwwii> or something new, you mean?
[08:49] <troy_s> well i cited that as a starting point because he managed to take some
[08:49] <troy_s> rather
[08:50] <troy_s> unobtrusive 'shapes', emboss them slightly
[08:50] <troy_s> which makes for a potential sweepy gloss application
[08:50] <troy_s> so i think it is a step in the right direction
[08:50] <troy_s> with some good gradients.
[08:50] <kwwii> I see what you mean now
[08:50] <troy_s> also, think towards grad'ing the stroke for the sweep as i find that to be quite slick (in the future... don't worry right now)
[08:51] <cyanescent> this is for LSplash, right?
[08:53] <troy_s> http://www.noscope.com/journal/assets/openhouse_0804/osx_bg.jpg
[08:53] <troy_s> this is for all targets
[08:53] <troy_s> that is a good example of the sweep lines
[08:53] <kwwii> LSPlash? what is that?
[08:53] <kwwii> hehe
[08:53] <kwwii> yeah
[08:53] <troy_s> except with the kwwii gloss
[08:53] <kwwii> I did quite a lot of that stuff 5 years ago
[08:54] <troy_s> make it work on the big
[08:54] <troy_s> then we can migrate it to the smaller (lsplash)
[08:54] <troy_s> and get the proper hues
[08:54] <troy_s> i would like to see something distinct if we can manage it...
[08:54] <troy_s> but that is the needed direction
[08:55] <troy_s> i think we will score more hits than misses if we travel that way.
[08:55] <kwwii> what is the lsplash?
[08:55] <kwwii> usplash, you mean?
[08:55] <kwwii> I will whip something up a bit later...working on something atm
[08:57] <troy_s> lsplash
[08:57] <troy_s> logon splash
[08:58] <troy_s> as in the splash between logon and wallpaper
[08:58] <kwwii> ahaaa, I see
[08:59] <troy_s> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/LSplashProposal
[08:59] <troy_s> where light grey is complete transparency
[08:59] <troy_s> and the pill is subject to gloss etc.
[09:00] <kwwii> gotcha
[09:00] <troy_s> http://www.flickr.com/photos/wester/38490644/in/set-740780/
[09:01] <troy_s> here is some interesting sort of lines that might work, seastian just has been sending them to me.
[09:01] <troy_s> http://www.flickr.com/photos/wester/34207376/in/set-740780/
[09:01] <troy_s> but more abstract
[09:01] <troy_s> the lines are terrific for that sort of thing though
[09:01] <kwwii> nifty
[09:02] <troy_s> http://www.flickr.com/photos/wester/35180260/in/set-740780/
[09:03] <troy_s> i don't know... something to give you some lines :)
[09:12] <viper550> Hello
[09:15] <viper550> I just realized that you can use Opera as an IRC program too!
[09:16] <troy_s> That's Terrific!
[09:16] <viper550> But I still kinda prefer x-chat
[09:19] <viper550> Can Gimp open PSD files?
[09:24] <troy_s> yes
[10:20] <Viper550> Does anyone know how to suggest fonts in metathemes?
[11:36] <Who_> Hi all
[11:37] <kwwii> hi Who
[11:37] <kwwii> erm
[11:37] <kwwii> Who_:
[11:37] <kwwii> hehe
[11:37] <kwwii> you get the point
[11:38] <Who_> indeed
[11:38] <Who_> I've been doing some work trying to make a gdm proposal a bit like the Dapper Splash - I could do with some opinion
[11:38] <kwwii> Who_: could you post your blue bubble pic on the list and perhaps add it to the wiki page suggesting it for use in kubuntu?
[11:38] <Who_> s
[11:38] <Who_> yea, for sure :)
[11:40] <Who_> Where do proposals live on the wiki?
[11:40] <kwwii> Who_: I guess on the same pages as the others
[11:40] <Who_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals - there?
[11:41] <kwwii> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/WallpaperProposal  sounds like the right place
[11:50] <Who_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/GDMProposal
[11:50] <Who_> thoughts?
[11:54] <kwwii> I think that the bg needs to be a bit more complex, with some hints of the gradients used in the title grapihc
[11:54] <kwwii> but otherwise, I love it :-)
[11:56] <Who_> yea, the title graphic does stand out a bit
[11:57] <kwwii> it looks nice
[11:57] <kwwii> but the bg is a bit too simple for oit
[11:57] <kwwii> it
[11:57] <troy_s> who
[11:57] <troy_s> yay
[11:58] <troy_s> very nice work who_
[11:58] <troy_s> terrific
[11:58] <troy_s> only a couple problems as i can see Who_
[11:58] <Who_> not quite 'proposy' enough, I worry
[11:59] <troy_s> nope
[11:59] <troy_s> its very good...
[11:59] <Who_> cool, suggest away
[11:59] <troy_s> have you tried it against the pre-rendered area for the gdm?
[11:59] <troy_s> i think it is terrific
[11:59] <troy_s> can you do up some more with different stylings?
[11:59] <troy_s> like the placement of the logo plus text?
[12:00] <troy_s> 1) ship me your glossy logo -- it looks wonderful
[12:00] <troy_s> 2) mock up some more variations on the gdm, try this as a suggestion box:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/LSplashProposal
[12:00] <Who_> lol, it doesn't when you scrutinise it :P!
[12:00] <troy_s> 3) ship me as many as you can -- don't worry about resolutions
[12:01] <troy_s> no its perfect for proposal phase.
[12:01] <Who_> I am scaling them all donw at the moment, because they look bad on the wiki
[12:01] <troy_s> well just give them to me
[12:01] <troy_s> you use imagemagick?
[12:01] <troy_s> imagemagick will contact sheet them very quickly and easily
[12:01] <troy_s> i will contact sheet all the current viables... like weidel's approach (minus the brand)
[12:02] <Who_> well, then I will use that :) - can you give me some quick hints to save me tha man page?
[12:02] <troy_s> my only thought would be -- busy up the background a bit, so that the contrasts look more like gloss
[12:02] <troy_s> with me?
[12:02] <troy_s> right now they are so simple in tone (which is good -- we will provide a gradual progression)
[12:02] <troy_s> that you can't really see the gloss.
[12:03] <Who_> I will do many variations. Just gimmie a little while
[12:04] <troy_s> its very good, and my gut tells me it is pretty much what sabdfl is looking for... can you ship me them via email when you are done?
[12:04] <troy_s> i'll wiki them all together with the others...
[12:04] <troy_s> Who_?
[12:04] <troy_s> as i said, just bust out as many as you can (don't worry about any form of polishing), and try to work the gloss up.
[12:04] <Who_> troy_s: I will zip up a whole load and email
[12:04] <troy_s> terrific work though.
[12:04] <troy_s> thanks for coming back
[12:04] <troy_s> you were horribly missed :)