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| dieman | holy crap, samsung released amd64 binaries for their printer | 12:29 |
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| Chipzz | nice :) | 12:31 |
| jdub | dieman: their printer is amd64? ;-) | 12:32 |
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| wasabi_ | That was too easy. | 12:48 |
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| JanC | dieman: most samsung printers work OOTB on Ubuntu? | 12:54 |
| JanC | I guess you mean their proprietary GUI installer ? ;-) | 12:55 |
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| floam | BenC: is there any obvious reason an initrd might fail to be created with no message upon install of the 2.6.17 kernel-image packages? | 01:47 |
| floam | update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.17-4-k7 seems to make one (havn't checked to see if it works yet) | 01:48 |
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| infinity | floam: Because, afaict, the postinst for the -4- kernel just plain doesn't create an initramfs at all. | 02:05 |
| jdub | infinity: massive! | 02:05 |
| jsgotangco | hey jdub | 02:08 |
| jdub | yo jsgotangco | 02:08 |
| tseng | hi jsgotangco | 02:11 |
| jsgotangco | hey tseng how's it going? | 02:12 |
| tseng | fine, you? | 02:12 |
| jsgotangco | pretty good starting the week though *groan* | 02:12 |
| tseng | does anyone know the current method of getting a dapper-updates approved? | 02:15 |
| tseng | mail mdz, file bug assigned to foo, ...? | 02:16 |
| Riddell | tseng: send diff to mdz and kamion. upload when approved | 02:16 |
| tseng | Riddell: cheers. | 02:16 |
| BenC | floam, infinity: Yeah, the kernel-package used to create the -4 kernel was screwed | 02:21 |
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| labuser | I have a fix for a buggy package in ubuntu, where do I send it to? (It's a one-line diff) | 02:59 |
| Chipzz | labuser: I guess file a bug in launchpad ? | 02:59 |
| Chipzz | you can mark your attachment as being a patch I think | 03:00 |
| labuser | it's been on launchpad for 2 months but the package is still broken | 03:00 |
| labuser | someone else filed it here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mldonkey/+bug/42632 | 03:01 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 42632 in mldonkey "startup script is broken" [Medium,Confirmed] | 03:01 |
| labuser | it's not a minor thing either... attempting installation of the package breaks apt alltogether | 03:02 |
| labuser | http://rafb.net/paste/results/sonrqK93.html | 03:03 |
| labuser | I pasted the fix there... maybe someone can commit it | 03:03 |
| Fujitsu | Which package? mldonkey-gui | 03:03 |
| labuser | mldonkey-server | 03:04 |
| Fujitsu | Ah. | 03:04 |
| Fujitsu | OK. | 03:04 |
| Fujitsu | Works fine for me... | 03:04 |
| Fujitsu | How does it break it? | 03:04 |
| Fujitsu | It doesn't actually install the mldonkey binary... But it doesn't break. | 03:06 |
| labuser | Installation of any other package fails. I forgot the exact message | 03:06 |
| labuser | I did an apt-get source and applied the fix, then did dpkg -i with that, and everything was ok | 03:07 |
| JanC | sounds like a failed install script? | 03:07 |
| labuser | yes that's right | 03:07 |
| Fujitsu | Works fine for me, still. | 03:07 |
| labuser | Fujitsu, the installation ? | 03:07 |
| Fujitsu | labuser, yes... I installed both mldonkey-server and mldonkey-gui, and it still works. | 03:08 |
| labuser | dapper right | 03:08 |
| Fujitsu | Hmm. | 03:09 |
| Fujitsu | Yeah. | 03:09 |
| Fujitsu | BOOM | 03:09 |
| labuser | I don't know then | 03:09 |
| Fujitsu | I remove mldonkey-gui, try to remove mldonkey-server and it explodes. | 03:09 |
| labuser | there you go :) | 03:09 |
| labuser | I guess it really did go BOOM ... :) | 03:10 |
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| floam | BenC: oh, okay | 04:27 |
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| Hobbsee | morning all | 04:44 |
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| dieman | JanC: the ml-2010 driver isn't actually in foomatic yet | 05:00 |
| dieman | ml-1710 supposedly works, but margins are off and you can't use the 1200x600 mode | 05:00 |
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| Hobbsee | hi Burgundavia | 05:17 |
| Burgundavia | hey Hobbsee | 05:17 |
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| bluefoxicy | wow that's nice, I just typed <tseng> tab and xchat-gnome printed: tseng tseng tseng | 05:48 |
| bluefoxicy | anyway. tseng: If you're still up do you know what glibc detects of corrupted heap elements? | 05:49 |
| bluefoxicy | I'm thinking it's entirely possible to detect double free(), free() of a corrupt heap element, and free() when the next and previous elements in the chain of heap allocations are corrupt; but I'm not sure if glibc detects all of these AND differentiates between double free() and other weird corruption (which is doable simply by marking an entry in a special way when it's free()'d) | 05:51 |
| bluefoxicy | i know it'll catch some level of dirtiness. | 05:51 |
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| fabbione | morning | 06:43 |
| Hobbsee | hi fabbione! | 06:47 |
| fabbione | hey Hobbsee | 06:48 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: edgy isnt actually broken that badly :) | 06:48 |
| fabbione | it's all because we are too cool :) | 06:49 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: of course :) | 06:49 |
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| fabbione | hmmm | 06:51 |
| fabbione | i need more bw | 06:51 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: bw? | 06:57 |
| fabbione | bandwidth | 06:58 |
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| fabbione | SCORE | 07:00 |
| jsgotangco | how cheap/expensive is bw there in dk? | 07:01 |
| bluefoxicy | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomatedSecurityVulnerabilityDetection This would be awesome, if https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomatedProblemReports ever happens. | 07:01 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: ahhhh... | 07:01 |
| bluefoxicy | Actually the double free()/heap corruption/stack smash detection and reporting can be done without the kernel-level facilities | 07:01 |
| fabbione | well who did activate the libata shit didn't prepare the transition properly | 07:01 |
| fabbione | jsgotangco: not that expensive.. | 07:02 |
| bluefoxicy | also it may be possible to load default signal handlers and modify signal() to unload them when new handlers are installed and load ours when signal handlers are cleared. | 07:02 |
| bluefoxicy | ours would have to be able to tell signal() to load no handler *reliably* (ours would be in glibc though so no problem) and then send the signal to self to die though. Hrm. Or something creepy like that. | 07:04 |
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| Hobbsee | do we have any current ETA for l-r-m for 2.6.15-5-686? | 07:36 |
| Hobbsee | ah, i'ts oddly named, and it FTBFS. fun. | 07:40 |
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| floam | Hobbsee: it already exists | 07:43 |
| floam | it's probably sitting in line to be built | 07:43 |
| Hobbsee | floam: i'm meaning the one that depends on linux-image-2.6.17-5-686 | 07:44 |
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| Hobbsee | which is l-r-m-2.6.17-6-686, which FTBFS, it seems. | 07:44 |
| bluefoxicy | FTBFS? | 07:44 |
| Hobbsee | bluefoxicy: failed to build from source | 07:44 |
| bluefoxicy | oh | 07:44 |
| basanta | does ubuntu use different technique than debian to get flash drives automounted? | 07:45 |
| === bluefoxicy was thinking like 'fucked too bad for ...?' or something | ||
| jsgotangco | :P | 07:45 |
| floam | basanta: does debian use HAL/pmount? | 07:45 |
| bluefoxicy | .... for signoff? | 07:45 |
| basanta | floam, yes | 07:46 |
| floam | then they probably do the same thing | 07:47 |
| Hobbsee | bluefoxicy: no, those have other acronyms | 07:47 |
| basanta | yes, but ubuntu can automount flash drives that debian can't | 07:47 |
| bluefoxicy | Hobbsee: yes but I assumed you wouldn't say 'fubar' if you intended somebody repair it :P | 07:48 |
| Hobbsee | bluefoxicy: well... | 07:48 |
| Hobbsee | bluefoxicy: stuff that's counted as fubar'd usually gets fixed, eventually, and after much swearing and cursing | 07:48 |
| Hobbsee | whee! where's that darned autoconf patch. | 07:49 |
| bluefoxicy | Hobbsee: You guys need your own reality TV, seriously. Swearing and cursing is amusing. | 07:49 |
| floam | basanta: there's a good chance ubuntu has patched things up a bit or has something newer, but I think they use the same general stuff | 07:49 |
| bluefoxicy | Did you see when Keybuk spent like 15 minutes spouting 'fuck' every other word because he tried to build openoffice.org and it installed over a gigabyte of build deps? | 07:50 |
| basanta | floam, ok | 07:50 |
| bluefoxicy | He was after poor doko's blood :P | 07:50 |
| Hobbsee | i heard about it, yeah | 07:51 |
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| basanta | floam, do you think ubuntu-developers would share this patch? and do you know where to ask? | 07:52 |
| fabbione | Hobbsee: l-r-m will be sorted once 5.13 is built | 07:52 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: 5.13 of linux-image? or of l-r-m? | 07:53 |
| floam | basanta: well you can look through the packages yourself or ask in ubuntu-devel | 07:53 |
| floam | I'm sure they would share it | 07:53 |
| fabbione | Hobbsee: the former | 07:53 |
| Hobbsee | floam: everything's GPL'd...it's likely to be around here somewhere. | 07:53 |
| floam | I assume by share he meant they'd find him for it and hand it over | 07:54 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: right, know off the top of your head if that's about to be built? | 07:54 |
| floam | of course they have to allow him to use it | 07:54 |
| lifeless | floam: we share all out patches | 07:54 |
| fabbione | Hobbsee: https://launchpad.net/+builds | 07:55 |
| lifeless | erm, I meant basanta: we share all the patches | 07:55 |
| johanbr | basanta: Try looking at http://patches.ubuntu.com . | 07:55 |
| basanta | lifeless, johanbr thank you . | 07:55 |
| Hobbsee | fabbione: ahh :) that's the page i was looking for :) | 07:55 |
| bluefoxicy | <floam> basanta: well you can look through the packages yourself or ask in ubuntu-devel <-- uh floam? | 07:55 |
| floam | uh bluefoxicy? | 07:56 |
| bluefoxicy | this IS ubuntu-devel | 07:56 |
| floam | bluefoxicy: this is #ubuntu-devel | 07:56 |
| floam | there is also ubuntu-devel the mailing list | 07:56 |
| bluefoxicy | you said in, not on ubuntu-devel@ | 07:56 |
| floam | whatever | 07:56 |
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| floam | clearly we are here so there is only one other, I thought it made sense | 07:56 |
| floam | I will be sure not to mistake my prepositions in the future though | 07:57 |
| Hobbsee | floam: to be fair, #ubuntu-devel is usually the irc channel, and ubuntu-devel is the mailing list. | 08:04 |
| Hobbsee | bluefoxicy: ^ | 08:04 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 08:51 |
| Hobbsee | hi pitti! | 08:51 |
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| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: i think britney is confused - that's not the version of amarok in the repositories. oh. lovely. hardcoded dependancy on amarok in amarok-arts, therefore the bugger wont install anyway. | 09:24 |
| bluefoxicy | pitti: not so hot on that idea? | 09:24 |
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| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: oh well, it's just a first milestone, it's not that important if it's not perfect. :-) | 09:25 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: hehe that is true. i'm just merely annoyed that it's taken me this long to notice, and that a few packages which i was told/thought were uploaded werent. | 09:26 |
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: become a core dev and you can fix it yourself. :-) | 09:26 |
| pitti | bluefoxicy: when I played with my preloaded-library approach (which is essentially the same thing) I had some problems with it as well, like gdb not being able to cleanly attach and so on; but that might be unrelated to the crashed process' state | 09:27 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: heh. yeah. reckon you can give me dev and core dev in the same meeting? :P | 09:27 |
| Hobbsee | s/you/the TB | 09:27 |
| pitti | bluefoxicy: anyway, we can consider modifying glibc later, since it is totally independent from the actual spawned agent which collects data | 09:27 |
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: I don't think that's being done, no.. But you're active and seems clueful enough that making core-dev shouldn't take long anyway. | 09:28 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: hehe. actually, it was funny. i was told when i originally started packaging, by two separate people, that they could see me going for core dev soon. | 09:28 |
| === Hobbsee has time at the moment. it's good. | ||
| bluefoxicy | pitti: nod. At any rate the program will sleep if you SIGSTOP it. | 09:29 |
| bluefoxicy | pitti: i am still looking at this thing for automatically prioritizing things that look like new security vulns, by the way. | 09:32 |
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| bluefoxicy | pitti: do you think you'll have something ready by Edgy? | 09:33 |
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| pitti | bluefoxicy: (btw, you can't ptrace() a stopped process) | 09:37 |
| bluefoxicy | pitti: (shit) | 09:37 |
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| pitti | bluefoxicy: yes, that's the goal | 09:39 |
| pitti | bluefoxicy: (having something for edgy) | 09:40 |
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| bluefoxicy | pitti: gdb seems to be able to attach to less after I ctrl-z less | 09:48 |
| pitti | bluefoxicy: not here, it just hangs indefinitely at 'Attaching to program:' | 09:49 |
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| pitti | bluefoxicy: and after fg'ing the target process, gdb suffers a horrible death | 09:50 |
| bluefoxicy | ah right, it is hanging. | 09:50 |
| bluefoxicy | I see :o | 09:50 |
| pitti | bluefoxicy: it makes sense, since waitpid() on a stopped process will never return | 09:53 |
| bluefoxicy | it looks like you can attach with ptrace(), just gdb doesn't understand why you would try. | 09:53 |
| bluefoxicy | /build/buildd/gdb-6.4.90.dfsg/gdb/linux-nat.c:1025: internal-error: linux_nat_attach: Assertion `pid == GET_PID (inferior_ptid) && WIFSTOPPED (status) && WSTOPSIG (status) == SIGSTOP' failed. | 09:53 |
| bluefoxicy | ^^^ this is gdb bitching that the target process didn't return the status it was expecting | 09:53 |
| bluefoxicy | or that it just couldn't attach I guess. | 09:53 |
| bluefoxicy | it's one of the two, maybe you're right. | 09:53 |
| bluefoxicy | pitti: want me to ping the gdb devs tomorrow on that? | 09:53 |
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| pitti | bluefoxicy: if you feel like it, but I'm not sure whether it's merely a gdb restriction or a principal restriction of ptrace() | 09:53 |
| bluefoxicy | well, I'll find out. | 09:54 |
| pitti | thanks | 09:54 |
| === bluefoxicy asks the kernel devs about ptrace() | ||
| bluefoxicy | night. | 09:55 |
| Hobbsee | night bluefoxicy | 09:55 |
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| bluefoxicy | pitti: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomatedSecurityVulnerabilityDetection by the way. | 10:01 |
| bluefoxicy | (this would be the only reason I'm as interested as I am in this :) | 10:02 |
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| pitti | bluefoxicy: thanks, will look at it | 10:06 |
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| Mithrandir | ogra: you're aware that e-d is installable now? Do you want me to spin you CDs? | 10:43 |
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| ogra | Mithrandir, oh, yes please :) | 11:09 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: edubuntu livefs-es building. Do you need new alternate CDs too? | 11:09 |
| fabbione | mdz: i am ready to upload the new redhat-cluster-suite. am I still go or do you want me to send email for UVF exception? | 11:09 |
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| mdz | fabbione: what's in it? | 11:10 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, if you like :) | 11:10 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: alternate cds building. | 11:11 |
| fabbione | mdz: it's the natural upgrade from dapper (gfs1) to edgy (gfs1 and gfs2) userland. gfs2 is already in the kernel | 11:11 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, thanks ! | 11:11 |
| fabbione | mdz: i only didn't manage to upload it before becuase of the big changes in the infrastructure | 11:11 |
| fabbione | mdz: (as i reported to the last meeting) | 11:11 |
| mdz | fabbione: backward-compatible? | 11:12 |
| fabbione | mdz: gfs2 no, the userland with gfs1 is modulo one line change in the config | 11:12 |
| fabbione | mdz: there is a proper debconf message for that | 11:13 |
| fabbione | mdz: that points to the wiki where we will build proper upgrade paths and stuff | 11:13 |
| mdz | fabbione: I mean is the package backward-compatible, not the filesystem | 11:13 |
| mdz | i.e., does it still support gfs1? | 11:13 |
| fabbione | mdz: yes it does | 11:13 |
| fabbione | it does support both | 11:14 |
| Kamion | argh, how do I get rid of the "Slow Keys Alert" without being able to click on it? | 11:14 |
| fabbione | but i need to merge the new gfs1 in the kernel. | 11:14 |
| mdz | ok, go ahead | 11:14 |
| Kamion | my mouse is already grabbed by vmware | 11:14 |
| fabbione | the new one uses shared lock manager with gfs2 to avoid code duplication | 11:14 |
| fabbione | mdz: perfect thanks | 11:14 |
| Kamion | and ctrl-alt does not work while the slow keys alert is up, apparently | 11:14 |
| mdz | Kamion: kill $random_gnome_component? | 11:15 |
| Kamion | yeah, which one though ... | 11:16 |
| Kamion | ah, gnome-settings-daemon maybe | 11:16 |
| Kamion | no, the bastard just comes back and leaves my keyboard screwed | 11:17 |
| === Kamion will have to kill vmware :( | ||
| Riddell | Mithrandir: kubuntu-desktop is broken because of koffice which is waiting on ruby1.8 compiling on powerpc | 11:19 |
| Riddell | doko: any idea what the gcc bug is that's cauing ruby1.8 to fail on powerpc? | 11:20 |
| bluefoxicy | mdz: I'd wanted to bring your attention to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityEdgyIdeas/Install-CD earlier due to the /home directory thing. | 11:22 |
| infinity | Riddell: Are you sure it's a GCC bud and not a ruby bug? | 11:22 |
| bluefoxicy | I think. I know there was something I wanted to bring your attention to specifically. | 11:22 |
| bluefoxicy | anyway I'm sleeping, it's 5am | 11:23 |
| Riddell | infinity: look at the build log, seems to be a gcc segfault | 11:23 |
| infinity | I don't see a GCC segfault. | 11:23 |
| dholbach | hey infinity! how are you? | 11:23 |
| infinity | /build/buildd/ruby1.8-1.8.4/build-tree/ruby-1.8.4/lib/mkmf.rb:804: [BUG] Segmentation fault | 11:23 |
| infinity | ^^^ That's ruby segfaulting. | 11:23 |
| Riddell | hmm, right | 11:24 |
| infinity | Of course, it could be GCC miscompiling it still, but I'd like to blame ruby until I know for sure. | 11:24 |
| ogra | does anyone have experience with fakechroot ? i dont seem to be able to set up an environment ... | 11:24 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: your dailies are served. | 11:26 |
| ogra | thanks ! | 11:26 |
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| mdz | bluefoxicy: I reviewed those pages a couple of weeks ago and commented on things where I had an opinion | 11:27 |
| bluefoxicy | mdz: nod, I did it a couple hours ago. | 11:27 |
| bluefoxicy | mdz: short version: some people I know actually have 500-750 gig hard drives and fill them with questionable content (for example, downloads of anime series they don't own...); that's like 100 DVDs or so. It'd be nice to be able to nuke everything but /home at install if you're honestly going to make /root a big 500 gig partition just because the disk is 500 gigs wide. | 11:28 |
| bluefoxicy | er. /, not /root | 11:29 |
| bluefoxicy | sleep time for me. | 11:29 |
| Kamion | use manual partitioning then. there's no way for autopartitioning to keep everybody happy here. | 11:30 |
| Kamion | there's a reason we provide manual partitioning in non-expert mode | 11:30 |
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| mdz | right, I think that's a fairly uncommon use case | 11:33 |
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| Kamion | not so much uncommon use case as that there are N different common use cases. at least with the present situation it's easy to see that we chose it because it was the simplest alternative. | 11:35 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: live CD's buggered - "User not known to the underlying authentication module" all over the place | 11:36 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: gnr | 11:37 |
| Kamion | huh, it worked a second time, without quiet splash - except now my gdm login screen is ENORMOUS | 11:38 |
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| Kamion | like 2048x1536 or something | 11:38 |
| Mithrandir | maybe it's a bad CD, then. | 11:38 |
| Kamion | it's vmware | 11:38 |
| Kamion | and autologin fails | 11:39 |
| Mithrandir | uh, ok | 11:39 |
| Mithrandir | I'll burn a dvd and see what happens on real hardware. | 11:39 |
| Mithrandir | this is i386, then? | 11:39 |
| Kamion | yes | 11:39 |
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| Kamion | Mithrandir: since I'm here, anything I can do to debug it? I've forgotten how to debug casper | 11:40 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: boot with break=bottom and poke /root to see if the ubuntu user is there. | 11:41 |
| Kamion | 'k | 11:41 |
| doko | Riddell: already checked, it's not a gcc bug, rechecked rebuilding with gcc-3.4 and gcc-3.4 | 11:44 |
| infinity | s/3.4$/4.0/ ? | 11:44 |
| Kamion | bash: line 2: pwck: command not found | 11:45 |
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| Mithrandir | Kamion: uh. | 11:45 |
| Kamion | it's in /usr/sbin; I suspect $PATH | 11:45 |
| Mithrandir | I thought casper set path, but maybe not? | 11:45 |
| Kamion | oh, never mind, I'm running this manually | 11:45 |
| Mithrandir | we should just make sbin a symlink to bin and get rid of that sillyness. :-P | 11:46 |
| Kamion | what's the break= to let me edit casper-bottom scripts before they run? | 11:46 |
| Mithrandir | break=casper-bottom | 11:47 |
| Kamion | ta | 11:47 |
| Mithrandir | (surprise!) :-) | 11:47 |
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| Mithrandir | it would also have been nice if udev hadn't suddenly removed udevplug without telling me. | 11:50 |
| Kamion | ah yes, try udevtrigger && udevsettle | 11:50 |
| Kamion | I thought Scott was going to leave a wrapper :( | 11:51 |
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| Mithrandir | apparently not. | 11:51 |
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| Kamion | Mithrandir: you need to do 'set passwd/make-user false' too. | 11:54 |
| Kamion | er, true, not false | 11:54 |
| Kamion | dunno why that didn't break dapper | 11:54 |
| Mithrandir | why doesn't it default to true? | 11:54 |
| Kamion | er. it does. I haven't had breakfast yet. | 11:54 |
| Mithrandir | may I suggest eating breakfast and coffee, then? ;-) | 11:55 |
| Kamion | yeah | 11:55 |
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| Mithrandir | Kamion: ok, it seems like casper doesn't set the path correctly, somewhere. I'll just export it at the top of the casper script and let it be with that, I think. | 12:05 |
| Kamion | oh, you saw the same thing then? | 12:06 |
| Kamion | ./scripts/casper:301: PATH=/root/usr/bin:/root/usr/sbin:/root/bin:/root/sbin:$PATH run_scripts /scripts/casper-bottom | 12:07 |
| Mithrandir | yeah | 12:07 |
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| Mithrandir | well, it works if I pass PATH=/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/bin:/sbin on the kernel command line | 12:07 |
| Kamion | that creates the user for me too, yes | 12:10 |
| Kamion | I have no xorg.conf now | 12:10 |
| Kamion | I think I didn't on one of my previous boots too, so it's not due to PATH | 12:10 |
| Mithrandir | me neither, but I wonder if that's just X being b0rken. | 12:10 |
| Mithrandir | export PATH=/root/usr/bin:/root/usr/sbin:/root/bin:/root/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/bin | 12:11 |
| Mithrandir | should be sane? | 12:11 |
| Kamion | oh, I understand the problem now | 12:11 |
| Kamion | /root/usr/sbin is not useful once you've chrooted | 12:11 |
| maswan | Mithrandir: shouldn't you have a /sbin in there btw? | 12:11 |
| Mithrandir | maswan: thanks, fixed. The last one should have been /sbin | 12:12 |
| Kamion | just do PATH=/root/usr/bin:/root/usr/sbin:/root/bin:/root/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/sbin:$PATH run_scripts /scripts/casper-bottom | 12:12 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: well, no, but if you do break=bottom and echo $PATH it includes sbin | 12:12 |
| Mithrandir | iirc | 12:12 |
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| Kamion | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -> still no xorg.conf | 12:13 |
| Mithrandir | iz X bug, then | 12:13 |
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| Mithrandir | oh, thepthul. break=top gives me PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin | 12:14 |
| Kamion | score | 12:14 |
| Kamion | initramfs-tools bug? | 12:14 |
| Mithrandir | it seems it's the PATH coming from the kernel | 12:15 |
| infinity | yeah, initramfs-tools doesn't define a PATH. | 12:15 |
| infinity | Probably should. | 12:15 |
| infinity | Though the kernel shouldn't be broken in this regard either. | 12:15 |
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| Mithrandir | Kamion: if you fix xorg, I'll do casper. | 12:16 |
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| Kamion | you're on | 12:17 |
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| Kamion | xorg fixed | 12:30 |
| Kamion | what's up with the lack of wallpaper in a default edgy install? | 12:30 |
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| infinity | Kamion: I'm running the publisher by hand right now to speed up the ABI switch. Poke me when that xorg is uploaded, so I can publish again. | 12:32 |
| infinity | Mithrandir: Ditto, for casper. | 12:32 |
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| Kamion | infinity: it's already uploadd | 12:34 |
| Kamion | +e | 12:34 |
| Kamion | if you mean source | 12:34 |
| Mithrandir | infinity: cheers. | 12:35 |
| simira | Mithrandir: that was quick | 12:36 |
| infinity | Kamion: Kay, you win. | 12:37 |
| infinity | Mithrandir: And you? | 12:37 |
| Mithrandir | infinity: just a sec, I want to test this locally first. | 12:37 |
| infinity | 5 minutes of testing, or 30? | 12:37 |
| Mithrandir | closer to 30 than 5 | 12:37 |
| Mithrandir | so just push Colin's stuff through first. | 12:37 |
| infinity | Okay, I'll publish while I wait, then. | 12:38 |
| simira | do I feel a Knot approaching? | 12:38 |
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| ogra | smells like it | 12:38 |
| ogra | :) | 12:38 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: mind if i upload openais? it's -server/cluster stuff | 12:38 |
| Mithrandir | fabbione: please do. | 12:39 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: thanks | 12:39 |
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| Kamion | simira: ubiquity doesn't work yet, so it'll take a while ... | 12:46 |
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| pitti | mdz: what do you think about updating mutt from a cvs snapshot to the stable 1.5.12 version? mainly bug fixes, translation updates, and code cleanup, and two small new features; I can send you the full changelog if you want | 12:49 |
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| mdz | pitti: edgy or dapper? | 12:52 |
| pitti | mdz: edgy | 12:52 |
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| pitti | hi slomo | 12:56 |
| slomo | hi pitti | 12:56 |
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| doko | Mithrandir, Kamion: please could you sync dmake (needed to build OOo, doesn't touch the CD's) | 01:18 |
| pitti | wb mdz | 01:18 |
| pitti | mdz: in case you sent an answer after '<pitti> mdz: edgy', I didn't get it | 01:18 |
| Mithrandir | doko: I can't do syncs. | 01:19 |
| doko | Mithrandir: yeah, but you're current the lock holder ;) | 01:19 |
| Mithrandir | doko: if it doesn't touch the CDs, I have no objection. | 01:19 |
| Kamion | ok, I'll start a sync run | 01:21 |
| Kamion | doko: please assign sync requests for single packages to the relevant package - it makes things slightly easier to find | 01:21 |
| infinity | Mithrandir: ETA on the casper upload? | 01:21 |
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| Mithrandir | infinity: sorry, had to bootstrap a bit here, if stuff works, in ten minutes. | 01:22 |
| infinity | Okay, I'll wait. | 01:22 |
| infinity | (Well, I'll build xorg and massage it through while I'm waiting) | 01:22 |
| mdz | pitti: <mdz> pitti: sure, yes | 01:22 |
| doko | Kamion: 53158 | 01:22 |
| Kamion | yes I've found it now, just for the future | 01:23 |
| Kamion | main reason is that if it's assigned to the right package then launchpad tells us right on the bug page what component it's in | 01:23 |
| ogra | i'm trying to bootstrap a fakechrrot here, seems it fails on initscripts installation because its not able to bind mount / to /.root anybody having a hint what i could look for to find ot why mount says "no such file or directory" ? (/.root exists) | 01:24 |
| ogra | *fakechroot | 01:24 |
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| ogra | meh | 01:25 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, its developemtn related, i need the fakechroots on the DC machines :P | 01:26 |
| Kamion | fakechroot's probably just broken. I don't think it's ever had any love in Ubuntu. | 01:27 |
| ogra | nope, it hadnt | 01:27 |
| Kamion | and it does some invasive things which are likely to break | 01:27 |
| ogra | its also in universe ... and we dont have a debootstrap variant (i'm just creating one) | 01:27 |
| Lathiat | hey wow thats kinda cool | 01:27 |
| ogra | Kamion, elmo wants me to use it ... | 01:28 |
| Kamion | fix it, then :) | 01:28 |
| Kamion | er ... debootstrap variant? | 01:28 |
| ogra | funnily not even the sarge.fakechroot variant bottstraps cleanly... seems it had not more love in debian | 01:28 |
| Kamion | please run that by me before uploading, some of the proposed debootstrap hacks are really nasty | 01:29 |
| Kamion | that's probably because aj thinks it's horrible crack too | 01:29 |
| ogra | Kamion, i didnt plan to add it to the package (unless you want fakechroot in main) | 01:29 |
| Kamion | hell no | 01:29 |
| ogra | :) | 01:29 |
| Kamion | if the debootstrap script is in the fakechroot package I guess that's ok | 01:30 |
| ogra | but a review would be appreciated :) | 01:30 |
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| ogra | (i simply took the edgy script and changed device, ldd functions and proc mounting to the fakechroot functions debootstrap provides) | 01:31 |
| ogra | *device creation | 01:31 |
| Mithrandir | ok, casper seems to work now. | 01:32 |
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| Mithrandir | infinity: ok, uploaded, so do your thing. | 01:34 |
| infinity | 72793 | S- | casper | 1.61 | 5 seconds | 01:35 |
| infinity | Heh. Wasn't there when I looked 10 seconds ago. | 01:35 |
| Mithrandir | :-) | 01:35 |
| Mithrandir | thanks | 01:35 |
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| Kamion | hmm. ubiquity works (ish), gparted --installer doesn't. | 01:40 |
| Kamion | I guess that wasn't really a surprise | 01:41 |
| mdz | fabbione: how is sparc looking for a milestone? | 01:41 |
| mdz | Kamion: the i386 desktop CD i built on Saturday booted but failed to start X | 01:41 |
| mdz | had to leave for the airport at that point | 01:41 |
| mdz | did someone look into powerpc? | 01:42 |
| Kamion | mdz: that's sorted nonw | 01:42 |
| Kamion | now | 01:42 |
| Kamion | xserver-xorg.postinst was broken | 01:42 |
| mdz | Kamion: was there anything besides gnome-applets hurting powerpc? | 01:42 |
| Kamion | apparently not | 01:42 |
| mdz | yay | 01:42 |
| Kamion | not dependency-wise anyway | 01:43 |
| Kamion | doko: bug 50311 is another reason why you should assign to the proper package; then launchpad will do typo validation for you | 01:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 50311 in wajig "wajig grabs information from debian.org instead of ubuntu.com" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/50311 | 01:44 |
| Kamion | doko: er, bug 53011 | 01:44 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 53011 in Ubuntu "sync request" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/53011 | 01:44 |
| Kamion | speaking of typos :) | 01:44 |
| Kamion | build-bot doesn't exist | 01:44 |
| doko | Kamion: buildbot, yes, I will do so for the future | 01:44 |
| ogra | hmm, intresting ... a DD who recompiles his packages for hoary and breezy http://people.debian.org/~dexter/dists/fakechroot/ | 01:44 |
| Kamion | thanks | 01:45 |
| thom | nrrrgh dexter | 01:45 |
| basanta | G0SUB, bg in disguise?? | 01:48 |
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| infinity | We should totally hire dexter and convert the entire archive to yada. | 01:50 |
| ogra | heh | 01:51 |
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| thom | infinity: is that before or after we shift to using rpms? | 01:52 |
| ogra | i thought we'd stay with deb but use alien ? | 01:52 |
| ogra | ;) | 01:52 |
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| ogra | Setting up initscripts (2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu1) ... | 01:54 |
| ogra | mkdir: cannot create directory `/.root': File exists | 01:55 |
| === ogra kicks initscripts | ||
| ogra | ah, thats the second attempt ... | 01:56 |
| ogra | Setting up initscripts (2.86.ds1-14.1ubuntu1) ... | 01:56 |
| ogra | mount: No such file or directory | 01:56 |
| ogra | grmbl | 01:56 |
| fabbione | mdz: no specific sparc work has been done. So whatever is in the other arches is on sparc | 02:01 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: what's the state of ubiquity, etc wrt knot-1? | 02:03 |
| G0SUB | Kamion: bug 53238 | 02:04 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 53238 in ubiquity "Ubiquity doesn't complain about bootable XFS partitions" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/53238 | 02:04 |
| pitti | Hi G0SUB | 02:04 |
| G0SUB | pitti: hello :) I came back today | 02:04 |
| Kamion | G0SUB: duplicate of about a million other bugs; see DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues | 02:06 |
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| Kamion | Mithrandir: need to sort out gparted | 02:08 |
| G0SUB | Kamion: ok, thanks for the pointer | 02:08 |
| Kamion | 12:40 < Kamion> hmm. ubiquity works (ish), gparted --installer doesn't. | 02:08 |
| Kamion | 12:41 < Kamion> I guess that wasn't really a surprise | 02:08 |
| Kamion | G0SUB: it'll be fixed in my first edgy upload, too | 02:08 |
| Kamion | well, worked around anyway | 02:08 |
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| pitti | G0SUB: can we meet today? | 02:13 |
| G0SUB | pitti: tomorrow at 14:00 UTC? | 02:14 |
| pitti | G0SUB: ok | 02:14 |
| G0SUB | fine | 02:14 |
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| Kamion | mdz: have you done the validation for the ubuntu-archive e-mail change? | 02:24 |
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| Kamion | Hmm. Now gparted at least plugs in correctly but you can't do anything in it. | 02:35 |
| Fujitsu | Kamion, can I ask you a quick question about the carpaltunnel sync? | 02:37 |
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| zul | heylo | 02:39 |
| snorre | Take a look at this: http://pastebin.ca/90171 | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | Fujitsu: what's the question? | 02:40 |
| Kamion | Fujitsu: sure | 02:40 |
| Fujitsu | Would it be acceptable to just rebrand carpaltunnel 0.0.9-0.1 as 0.0.9ubuntu2, without putting in the rest of the changelog entries, etc? | 02:41 |
| Fujitsu | Because merging is silly if it increases the delta more than necessary because a sync isn't possible. | 02:41 |
| Kamion | Fujitsu: yes | 02:42 |
| Fujitsu | OK, thanks. | 02:42 |
| Kamion | just note it in the changelog so that we know to sync it if 0.0.9.1 or 0.0.10 or whatever shows up | 02:42 |
| Fujitsu | OK, shall do. | 02:43 |
| snorre | Can someone that's into kernel compiling please look at this issue: http://pastebin.ca/90171 | 02:43 |
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| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: did you ever find out what the problem with ppc kubuntu-desktop was? | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | hi Keybuk | 02:46 |
| Mithrandir | Hobbsee: Riddell told me it was koffice. | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | Mithrandir: right. how bizarre | 02:47 |
| === Hobbsee checks if koffice is on her system | ||
| Hobbsee | it's not. | 02:47 |
| Keybuk | Hobbsee: heyhey | 02:47 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: i've been breaking things :D | 02:48 |
| Hobbsee | well, not really... | 02:49 |
| Keybuk | so have I :) | 02:49 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: hehe.. what'd you break? | 02:49 |
| Kamion | TTOTD: dpkg-genchanges > foo.deb is not very useful | 02:50 |
| Kamion | (meant foo.changes obviously) | 02:50 |
| Hobbsee | Kamion: TTOTD? | 02:50 |
| Kamion | top tip of the day | 02:50 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: ruby on powerpc isn't compiling, which is blocking koffice | 02:51 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ah. but why's koffice in k-d anyway? | 02:51 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee, Mithrandir: I uploaded kubuntu-meta without koffice so once that's in the archive we should be able to start making CDs | 02:52 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: for krita | 02:52 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ahh. right | 02:52 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: do we know what happened to wlassistant? | 02:53 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: looks like it got uploaded to dapper, let me reupload to edgy | 02:55 |
| === Hobbsee snorts | ||
| Hobbsee | Riddell: oops? right. | 02:55 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: why? | 02:56 |
| Kamion | ah, gparted is SIGSEGVing; that would explain why it disappears ... | 02:56 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: the changelog had dapper in it not edgy | 02:56 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: oops. | 02:56 |
| Kamion | it's not in dapper's unapproved queue | 02:57 |
| Kamion | apparently got randomly auto-rejected; I wish soyuz would stop doing that | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:58 |
| Kamion | oh, there was no .orig.tar.gz in the .changes (which would have been fine for edgy but not for dapper) | 02:58 |
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| dholbach | i'd be so happy if there was a "xgl or whatever" strike force - we get a bunch of bugs just because our versions of xgl/compiz/... are broken and some random packages on the net seem to work | 03:18 |
| dholbach | (apart from that I'd be happy, if I could subscribe an xgl team to a bug to get some input) :) | 03:18 |
| seb128 | Mithrandir: is that ok to upload epiphany-extensions (just a rebuild), it's not on the CD | 03:19 |
| Mithrandir | seb128: please do | 03:19 |
| seb128 | thank you | 03:19 |
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| lucas | is there a know problem with /usr/include/scsi/sg.h being in both libc6-dev and linux-kernel-headers ? | 03:39 |
| dholbach | Gloubiboulga, Riddell: we thought about having a "fix your favourite desktop" hug day on wednesday | 03:40 |
| simira | :) | 03:41 |
| Riddell | dholbach: sure | 03:41 |
| dholbach | Gloubiboulga, Riddell: if you want to add / fix things on wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Draft - that'd be nice | 03:41 |
| Gloubiboulga | dholbach, would be nice | 03:41 |
| Riddell | dholbach: poke me in half an hour after the kubuntu meeting | 03:42 |
| dholbach | Gloubiboulga, Riddell: just look at the pages and add whatever you think might be useful | 03:42 |
| Hobbsee | dholbach: that'd be cool :) | 03:45 |
| sladen | Keybuk / infinity: could you represent wxwidgets2.6 to the buildds | 03:52 |
| Keybuk | sladen: I'm on holiday today | 03:52 |
| sladen | Keybuk: holiday! I didn't know Canonical /did/ holiday :) | 03:53 |
| Hobbsee | surely they dont. | 03:53 |
| Hobbsee | there's no such thing as a holyda | 03:53 |
| Hobbsee | *holiday | 03:53 |
| jdub | see, no such thing, Hobbsee can't even spell the word | 03:54 |
| ogra | Kamion, the installer on ppc tells me it finds no kernel modules | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | jdub: hehe! i cant typing-spell anyway | 03:54 |
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| simira | Mithrandir: hey, time to get home to make pancakes! I am hungry! | 03:59 |
| ^robertj | what's the correct method for requesting a package from non-free be brought into multiverse? | 03:59 |
| === pitti points out that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomatedProblemReports spec is missing the most imprortant thing: what should be the name of that damn thing? :) | ||
| pitti | ^robertj: a sync request, I'd say | 04:00 |
| Hobbsee | pitti: heh, surely not... | 04:00 |
| ^robertj | pitti: hrmm, where? | 04:00 |
| fabbione | pitti: apr sounds good.. like libapr.. and make it clash with libapr from apache :P | 04:00 |
| pitti | ^robertj: file a bug against an unknown package, ask for the sync, give the package name and source and subscribe ubuntu-archive | 04:01 |
| ^robertj | pitti: aha, thanks | 04:01 |
| pitti | fabbione: the current name is crash-reporter, but that feels like namespace trampling | 04:01 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: call it apport, which means to fetch something (like, a dog which fetches a stick you throw) as well as the description on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apport | 04:01 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: hm, I like 'apport' | 04:02 |
| Mithrandir | "Category: Occult" | 04:02 |
| Mithrandir | ;-) | 04:02 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: has some connotation to a watchdog | 04:02 |
| Mithrandir | simira: yes, dear. | 04:02 |
| ogra | Kamion, hw-detect: Missing modules 'ide-core, ide-mod, ide-probe-mod, ide-detect, ide-generic' | 04:02 |
| jsgotangco | jdub: do you have the fridge drupal theme handy with you? | 04:02 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: it's also APpoRt so you have the right letters in there. :-P | 04:02 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: heh @ asport | 04:03 |
| fabbione | simira: isn't about time to call Mithrandir when pancakes are ready instead? ;) | 04:03 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: now I know a verb for this well-known effect :) | 04:03 |
| pitti | fabbione: you have been married for too long already :-P | 04:03 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: haha. :-) | 04:03 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: 'crapport' :) | 04:04 |
| fabbione | pitti: ahaha | 04:04 |
| pitti | Mithrandir.apport(pancake) | 04:04 |
| Mithrandir | wuff | 04:05 |
| ^robertj | pitti: bug #53245 | 04:05 |
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| Ubugtu | Malone bug 53245 in Ubuntu "sync request for tremulous" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/53245 | 04:05 |
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| pitti | ^robertj: and now subscribe ubuntu-archive | 04:05 |
| ^robertj | looking for that op[tion now | 04:06 |
| Kamion | ogra: not surprising | 04:06 |
| Kamion | ogra: probably built against the wrong kernel version or something | 04:06 |
| pitti | ^robertj: 'Subscribe someone else' | 04:06 |
| ^robertj | done | 04:06 |
| pitti | ^robertj: looks good now | 04:06 |
| ^robertj | thanks a heap, great game btw :) | 04:06 |
| ^robertj | Vicious though... | 04:06 |
| ogra | Kamion, likely... are these modules coming from a udeb or should i see them in /lib/modules somewhere ? | 04:07 |
| Kamion | ogra: udebs get unpacked into /lib/modules | 04:07 |
| Kamion | at least those udebs do | 04:07 |
| Kamion | modprobe does not magically know how to unpack udebs ;-) | 04:07 |
| ogra | yes, but thats at the very first screen after selecting the language and scanning the CD | 04:07 |
| Kamion | ogra: alt-f2, uname -a | 04:07 |
| ogra | so there are no modules with these names at all | 04:07 |
| Kamion | the initramfs is also built out of udebs | 04:08 |
| ogra | 2.6.17-5-powerpc | 04:08 |
| ogra | which matches /lib/modules | 04:08 |
| Kamion | ogra: look in /cdrom/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.17; see if there are any udebs there with the right kernel versions | 04:08 |
| ogra | ah, well | 04:09 |
| ogra | all 2.6.17-4.6 | 04:10 |
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| ogra | so we'll need a d-i rebuild i bet | 04:10 |
| Kamion | ogra: no | 04:10 |
| Kamion | ogra: is this edubuntu? | 04:10 |
| ogra | yes | 04:11 |
| Kamion | ogra: you need to do a seed merge to pull in my most recent change to the installer seed | 04:11 |
| ogra | built some hours ago | 04:11 |
| ogra | eek, ok | 04:11 |
| Kamion | if the udebs are out of date, that's never something that needs a d-i rebuild | 04:11 |
| Kamion | because the debian-installer source package does not build any udebs - it is strictly a consumer of udebs | 04:11 |
| ogra | oh, right they come from the kernel source, i forgot | 04:12 |
| Kamion | if the kernel/initramfs are out of date, then *that's* due to d-i being out of date | 04:12 |
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| mxpxpod | are the vmware modules for the new dapper kernel scheduled for compile? | 04:14 |
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| Kamion | ^robertj: FYI we sync source packages not binaries, so it's best to just give the source package name | 04:23 |
| ^robertj | yeah, should have it's just called tremulous so I think if anyone tackles it they will find it without much difficulty :) | 04:24 |
| Kamion | nod | 04:26 |
| Kamion | s/if/when/, sync requests are processed relatively promptly | 04:26 |
| ^robertj | ooh, good :) | 04:26 |
| Hobbsee | Kamion: that they are. thanks :) | 04:28 |
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| Kamion | Hobbsee: which one was that? | 04:34 |
| Kamion | I think I did all of yours so I probably overlooked that | 04:34 |
| Hobbsee | Kamion: ah, it was a gnome one....camorama | 04:34 |
| Hobbsee | Kamion: hehe thankyou :) | 04:35 |
| Kamion | I didn't process that; I assume ubuntu-archive wasn't subscribed | 04:35 |
| Hobbsee | Kamion: okay, i'm not sure why. i'll grab you a link | 04:36 |
| Kamion | oh, it's because you assigned it to ubuntu-archive too | 04:36 |
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| Hobbsee | Kamion: oh dear. did i really do that? | 04:36 |
| Kamion | that causes it not to show up on the list we normally use (probably due to a Malone bug); I suggest you leave syncs unassigned, as a general rule | 04:36 |
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| Kamion | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/camorama/+bug/53153/+activity says so :) | 04:37 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 53153 in camorama "[Edgy MoM] Please sync camorama 0.17-5 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Confirmed] | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | Kamion: i thought i subscribed it, sorry about that. i suspect i might have done that with another one too | 04:37 |
| Kamion | I'll hunt all other such bugs down now | 04:38 |
| Kamion | just two | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | yeah. i didnt think i'd done it on the one. sorry about that. i'd only recently started subscribing the archive myself, rather than getting a MOTU to do it. | 04:39 |
| Kamion | no problem | 04:39 |
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| ogra | Kamion, does the seed tree have a LP page i can subscribe to to getnotified (its not on SeedManagement or i'm blind) | 04:48 |
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| Kamion | ogra: I guess that would be https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-core-dev/+branch/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.edgy/+subscribe; I've never tried it, but let me know if notifications work for that and I'll add it to SeedManagement | 05:04 |
| Kamion | I think it only pulls every day though | 05:04 |
| ogra | Kamion, thanks, i'll tell you if it works | 05:04 |
| Kamion | but probably better than nothing | 05:04 |
| ogra | yep, i wouldnt have missed the last changes that way ... | 05:05 |
| ogra | but i have not gotten any change notifications from the other branches, so tha feature might only be available in gui yet :) | 05:05 |
| ogra | *that | 05:05 |
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| Kamion | ok, anyone who understands gtk and window managers around? gparted is creating dialogs that are marked transient for a GtkPlug, and they're appearing behind the window containing the corresponding GtkSocket | 05:09 |
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| Kamion | I've tried both raise() and present() (although admittedly not in combination) | 05:09 |
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| Kamion | present() has no effect whatsoever here as far as I can tell; raise() does cause the dialog to appear in front of a terminal window that's also on the screen rather than right at the back, but doesn't bring it to the front of the window-containing-the-socket | 05:10 |
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| Riddell | groovy, kubuntu-desktop installable everywhere, I guess that means we can start making CDs | 05:12 |
| Riddell | Kamion: could you kick off a livefs build for kubuntu? | 05:14 |
| Kamion | Riddell: running | 05:14 |
| Kamion | you'll need at least one more before knot-1 of coursse | 05:14 |
| Riddell | Kamion: why? | 05:15 |
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| Kamion | Riddell: ubiquity's not remotely ready | 05:16 |
| Kamion | I have a huge pile of stuff in bzr to upload | 05:17 |
| Riddell | fair enough | 05:17 |
| Kamion | but only when it works :) | 05:17 |
| Riddell | Kamion: how's the alternative installer doing? | 05:17 |
| Kamion | tolerably OK I think | 05:17 |
| Riddell | I'll start an alternative CD build for kubuntu | 05:17 |
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| elmo | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-kernel-headers_2.6.17-5.13_i386.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/include/scsi/scsi.h', which is also in package libc6-dev | 05:29 |
| elmo | so, err, do I need to run away screaming from this box now or what? | 05:30 |
| sladen | niiice. | 05:31 |
| tseng | i did --force-overwrite and lived happily ever after | 05:31 |
| Hobbsee | elmo: yeah, i got that. i used --force-overwrite too | 05:31 |
| tseng | ignorance is bliss. | 05:31 |
| elmo | did either of you report bugs? | 05:31 |
| === Hobbsee lived to tell the tale. | ||
| Hobbsee | elmo: no, i made a mental note to do it though. | 05:31 |
| tseng | no, I assumed it was so horribly obvious | 05:31 |
| Hobbsee | sheesh we're terrible | 05:32 |
| tseng | yeah. | 05:32 |
| fabbione | elmo: known bug | 05:32 |
| fabbione | elmo: we need to get Ben to upload a new kernel | 05:32 |
| Kamion | infinity noticed it and stuck l-k-h on hold in all the buildds' edgy chroots | 05:33 |
| === fabbione & for a bit | ||
| dholbach | mjg59: hello! i came across bug 49503 and thought that the Power spec had an idea for solving cases like the one mentioned there. or am i wrong? | 05:36 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 49503 in gnome-session "Hibernate button being displayed and functions on remote connections" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/49503 | 05:36 |
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| doko | Keybuk: when are merges manual? is this status dropped again, if unstable has a new upstream? | 05:58 |
| Keybuk | doko: ? | 05:58 |
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| doko | Keybuk: universe-manual.html | 05:58 |
| HiddenWolf | Keybuk: I have a tv tuner (pci) and a webcam (usb); when both are plugged in it seems random which device is /dev/video0. Is that expected with dapper's udev? | 05:58 |
| pitti | zul: ping | 05:58 |
| Keybuk | doko: those are the list of sources for which there is no version in Debian less than the version in Ubuntu | 05:58 |
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| Keybuk | ie. Ubuntu packages 1.0-0ubuntu1 and Debian packages 1.0-1 | 05:58 |
| Keybuk | there's no base version for comparison | 05:58 |
| Keybuk | HiddenWolf: yes. | 05:58 |
| doko | ahh, thanks | 05:58 |
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| HiddenWolf | Keybuk: right. :( | 05:58 |
| Keybuk | HiddenWolf: modern software shouldn't care ... it should present you a list of the available video devices | 05:58 |
| Keybuk | and remember them by more useful details | 05:58 |
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| HiddenWolf | Keybuk: so the bug is in tvtime. :) | 05:58 |
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| HiddenWolf | Keybuk: thank you | 05:58 |
| sfllaw | The video layer under Linux is just horrible. | 05:59 |
| sfllaw | tvtime really can't do much. | 05:59 |
| Hobbsee | hi sfllaw :) | 06:00 |
| sfllaw | It's like the bad old days of DOS printers. | 06:00 |
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| ogra | dholbach, the simple bug is gnome-session not caring for the /apps/gnome-power-manager/can_{suspend,hibernate} gconf key | 06:08 |
| ogra | if it would do that, the buttons wouldnt be shown | 06:09 |
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| mcquaid | hello i wanted to backport baobab from edgy to dapper. however no version of baobab is currently in edgy | 06:12 |
| siretart | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/baobab | 06:12 |
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| siretart | Removed on 2006-07-05 12:44:06 UTC | 06:12 |
| mcquaid | does that happen sometimes when the next version is building up or does that mean a pkg has been dropped? | 06:12 |
| siretart | why that? | 06:13 |
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| mcquaid | hmm, no reason listed there.. | 06:13 |
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| ogra | its included in control-center or gnome-system-tools now you wont be able to backport that right away | 06:15 |
| mcquaid | huh? sorry not quite getting that. it's become part of gnome-system-tools? | 06:16 |
| dholbach | siretart: it's in gnome-utils now | 06:17 |
| ogra | ogra@edubuntu:~/seeds/edubuntu.edgy$ dpkg -S /usr/bin/baobab | 06:17 |
| ogra | gnome-utils: /usr/bin/baobab | 06:17 |
| ogra | sorry, gnome-utils ... | 06:17 |
| dholbach | siretart: and we have a bug report marked as fix committed, which will add it to the packages description | 06:17 |
| siretart | ok | 06:18 |
| mcquaid | oh well, i guess i'll use the swartz | 06:18 |
| mcquaid | but why do that anyway? baobab has no gnome deps | 06:18 |
| siretart | I assume gnome-utils handles upgrades from baobab users in dapper gracefully.. | 06:18 |
| mcquaid | seems limiting | 06:18 |
| siretart | thats right. what about xfce users, who want baobab without gnome-utils? | 06:19 |
| mcquaid | for ex, i use it in xfce | 06:19 |
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| ogra | ask gnome about it ... | 06:19 |
| dholbach | bad luck... baobab upstream wants to maintain it in gnome-utils and asked me to get rid of the old package | 06:19 |
| ogra | it was an upstream decision by the looks of it | 06:19 |
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| dholbach | debian will do that too once they have gnome 2.15 | 06:20 |
| dholbach | as it makes no sense to have the same code in the archive twice | 06:20 |
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| mcquaid | yes, but makes just as little to tie something to a particular de when it's not needed | 06:21 |
| LaserJock | Kamion: ping? | 06:21 |
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| ompaul | No manual entry for pickups <--- this is cos its a real guitar :) | 06:23 |
| ompaul | woops | 06:23 |
| Kamion | LaserJock: hi | 06:24 |
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| LaserJock | Kamion: doh, nvm. I wondered why you unassigned ubuntu-archive from some sync bugs. | 06:25 |
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| Kamion | pitti: sudo 1.6.8p12-4ubuntu2 doesn't seem to have the "keep all environment variables for users with unrestricted sudo" behaviour you added | 06:28 |
| pitti | Kamion: oh, indeed | 06:29 |
| pitti | Kamion: thanks for spotting, I will fix that | 06:29 |
| Kamion | thanks - it breaks ubiquity | 06:29 |
| pitti | Kamion: (it still has the patch, but the Debian fix breaks it) | 06:29 |
| Kamion | well, slightly. it means that it can't talk to gnome-screensaver | 06:29 |
| pitti | Kamion: (I'm in a meeting now, will fix later) | 06:29 |
| Kamion | I figure you can fix it faster than I can :-) but if you don't have the time, let me know and I'll switch to that | 06:29 |
| ogra | BenC, would it soemhow be possible to change the load order for {e,o}hci_hcd ? seems my laptop only recognizes ohci (USB 1.1) if thats loaded first somehow slowing down my USB disks ... | 06:34 |
| bluefoxicy | ogra: I recommend a bios update as well ;) | 06:34 |
| mjg59 | ogra: No | 06:35 |
| mjg59 | That's handled by udev | 06:35 |
| mjg59 | We should fix the bug | 06:35 |
| ogra | Kamion, does lithium not publish automatically anymore ? i see no trace of 20060717.1 | 06:35 |
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| ogra | mjg59, yes, i wasnt aware it was udev | 06:35 |
| Riddell | Kamion: where's the place to look for livefs buildlogs? | 06:35 |
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| BenC | ogra: It should matter...ehci should work still | 06:37 |
| Kamion | Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/livefs-build-logs/ | 06:37 |
| BenC | shouldn't matter | 06:37 |
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| BenC | 2.6.7-5.14 coming to a buildd near you... | 06:37 |
| ogra | BenC, i have a dmesg entry that the device will only be used at low speed as long as ohci is loaded | 06:37 |
| Kamion | ogra: look at the end of the build log and the reason will be clear (i.e. I broke some code); fixing | 06:37 |
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| ogra | ah | 06:37 |
| Kamion | ogra: please always look at the build log before asking me :) | 06:37 |
| ogra | Kamion, will do, sorry | 06:38 |
| mcquaid | btw, regarding packages, since i went to dapper i've noticed a fair amount of 'orphaned' packages listed in synaptic but can't actually be installed as it's no longer available | 06:38 |
| BenC | mcquaid: python stuff? | 06:39 |
| Kamion | only edubuntu was affected, so I'll fix it by handd | 06:39 |
| mcquaid | is there any way to clear those up, or is it other avail programs that referenced it in some dep | 06:39 |
| Kamion | mcquaid: deborphan | 06:39 |
| mcquaid | BenC, for example libgtop-2.5 is still listed | 06:39 |
| Kamion | oh, ones you don't have installed? | 06:39 |
| pitti | Kamion: for me, I can start fixing it in about 90 minutes; how urgent is it? | 06:39 |
| mcquaid | yes | 06:39 |
| Kamion | I think those are just ones that are referenced in dependencies | 06:39 |
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| mcquaid | ok, | 06:40 |
| Kamion | pitti: I guess that would be OK; do you know the fix already? | 06:40 |
| pitti | Kamion: shouldn't be hard to do, I guesstimate 45 minutes for fixing and proper testing | 06:41 |
| Kamion | ah, if you don't know the fix immediately I'll leave it to you; I have a lot of other knot-1-critical-path stuff to do | 06:43 |
| Kamion | pitti: could you make sure to roll in the fix in bug 53273? the consequences of that bug are a bit nasty | 06:43 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 53273 in sudo "prerm doesn't work with dash" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/53273 | 06:43 |
| pitti | oh, another bashism? | 06:43 |
| pitti | sure | 06:43 |
| ogra | pitti, we have tons of them | 06:44 |
| Kamion | argh, can we please at least put command editing into dash? it's really frustrating not having that | 06:44 |
| Kamion | ogra: the bulk of them are in scripts that say #!/bin/bash though | 06:44 |
| Kamion | which is not ideal but not a bug either | 06:44 |
| ogra | well, *my* scripts didnt until now :) | 06:44 |
| ogra | but i have seem some other incidents ... | 06:45 |
| ogra | like debian/rules failing because of "rm -f /blah/{targetfile1,targetfile2} | 06:45 |
| ogra | " | 06:45 |
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| Kamion | yeah, there's not a lot of that left though | 06:46 |
| Kamion | most of that was dealt with in Debian a long time ago | 06:46 |
| ogra | but debian never switched ... | 06:46 |
| ogra | so it might have reappeared | 06:47 |
| Kamion | there have been people building stuff with dash as /bin/sh to test for that | 06:47 |
| Kamion | and lintian warns about its use in maintainer scripts | 06:47 |
| Kamion | so it doesn't tend to reappear all that much | 06:48 |
| Kamion | yes, there is the odd exception | 06:48 |
| ogra | :) | 06:48 |
| Kamion | generally speaking, though, it's in dodgy upstream shell programs rather than debian/rules or maintainer scripts | 06:48 |
| Kamion | the bulk of Debian maintainers have been made well aware of the problems by very long mail threads and lots of bug reports | 06:49 |
| ogra | yu, i noticed that ... its hard to find info on bashisms since you only get a long list of debian bugs at google :) | 06:50 |
| ogra | *yup | 06:50 |
| Kamion | http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/nfindex.html is the POSIX specification, which includes the shell | 06:51 |
| Kamion | avoid things marked [XSI] in /bin/sh scripts | 06:52 |
| Kamion | and avoid things not listed at all | 06:52 |
| ogra | thanks a lot, i'll see if i can get ltsp dash clean ... | 06:52 |
| Kamion | the dash man page is a reasonable thing to program to, although not perfect | 06:53 |
| ogra | ltsp-build-client currently relies somewhat on bash stuff ... | 06:53 |
| Kamion | but it's a lot better than programming to the bash man page | 06:53 |
| Kamion | ogra: edubuntu 20060717.1 fixed | 06:53 |
| ogra | well, i'm an old abs-howto user :) i never programmed after manpages | 06:53 |
| ogra | Kamion, thanks | 06:53 |
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| Kamion | I'd run away from all the howtos | 06:54 |
| Kamion | they are rarely written with an eye to portable shell, more with an eye to SHINY | 06:54 |
| ogra | well it was what i used to learn bash scripting ages ago ... | 06:54 |
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| ogra | but indeed you see my code isnt bashism free now (in fact i ever cared before i saw dash the first time ) | 06:55 |
| Kamion | http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2001/04/shell.html is also worth reading, written by a friend of mine; it's not specifically about portability but is generally worthwhile reading for shell programmers | 06:56 |
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| Keybuk | also get a copy of Blinn | 07:02 |
| ogra | blinn ? | 07:02 |
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| Keybuk | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0134514947/ | 07:08 |
| ogra | ugh, dead trees | 07:08 |
| ogra | i even read my pratchetts on the laptop nowadays :) | 07:09 |
| ogra | but i'll get a copy ... ) | 07:09 |
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| mjg59 | iwj: My fonts have changed in Epiphany again | 07:11 |
| iwj | mjg59: Oh ? | 07:12 |
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| iwj | (I have to go soon; it's Monday and if I don't I'll miss my dinner ...) | 07:14 |
| mjg59 | iwj: Back to blurry colour madness | 07:14 |
| mjg59 | iwj: Sure, no urgency | 07:14 |
| iwj | Is it using Nimbus ? | 07:14 |
| iwj | (Easiest way to tell: select Nimbus from the font preferences and see what it does.) | 07:14 |
| iwj | Perhaps some of my fontconfig-related changes have been undone or not merged properly. | 07:14 |
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| ogra | mjg59, on a lappie ? i noticed that subpixel rendering was disabled after an upgrade to edgy | 07:15 |
| ogra | just switching it on in the fonts ui solved it here | 07:15 |
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| mjg59 | iwj: Hm. Could be. The font preferences don't seem to let me change the main one that's being used | 07:18 |
| iwj | Ug. | 07:18 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: your friend wins a "useless use of $@ award" | 07:18 |
| Keybuk | sfere$ for x in "$@"; do echo "[$x] "; done | 07:18 |
| Keybuk | ... | 07:18 |
| mjg59 | ogra: If subpixel rendering was disabled, I don't think I'd be seeing coloured blur | 07:18 |
| Keybuk | why not just "for x; do" :p | 07:18 |
| ogra | mjg59, thats how it looks on my screen ... | 07:18 |
| ogra | if i switch on subpixel rendering its crisp again | 07:19 |
| mjg59 | ogra: If there's no sub-pixel anti-aliasing, then there is no coloured blurring | 07:20 |
| mjg59 | iwj: Interestingly, it's not nimbus. Hrm. | 07:20 |
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| Kamion | Keybuk: given that it's in a section entitled "Special Behaviour of $@", I think it's semi-justifiable | 07:23 |
| ogra | mjg59, well, then the ption in the font settings gui might be mis-named ... i can just tell waht i see here | 07:23 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: but you could always mail him and suggest he add a note | 07:23 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: I disagree ... a bad example, even when demonstrating a particular behaviour, is a bad example | 07:23 |
| Keybuk | people tend to copy and paste examples without reading the surrounding text | 07:23 |
| Kamion | then I repeat my second comment :) | 07:23 |
| Keybuk | cf. the famous "wrong example of wait()" in Stevens which has been copied into many UNIX programs and defended | 07:23 |
| Keybuk | I have just mailed him, actually | 07:23 |
| Kamion | ta | 07:23 |
| Keybuk | (Stevens gives an example of a SIGCHLD handler that calls wait() as a general example of the kinds of things you do in such handlers ... this handler has been used as the template for many a developer's handler | 07:24 |
| Keybuk | the problem is that it calls wait() only once ... when you in fact need to do it in a loop to consume all child processes, as you may have received more than one signal or had signals dropped as you were beginning processing of one) | 07:25 |
| Keybuk | he fortunately corrected the example in later books (UNP carries a correct one) | 07:25 |
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| Kamion | Keybuk: urgh, speaking of dodgy wait code, look at /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/apt/progress.py and search for waitChild | 07:30 |
| Kamion | let's wait for children by SPINNING | 07:30 |
| Keybuk | *blink* | 07:30 |
| Keybuk | I can see why they've done that ... but ... eww | 07:31 |
| Kamion | what's wrong with read() and a signal handler | 07:31 |
| Keybuk | I'd select() on an empty list ;) but yeah, same thing | 07:31 |
| mdz_ | fabbione: that isn't what I mean; for example, is ubuntu-desktop on sparc installable? are the livefses building? | 07:33 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: actually select() is indeed better because the reason it spins is that (in my case) read() is immediately returning EAGAIN | 07:34 |
| Kamion | -> bug 53282 | 07:37 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 53282 in python-apt "InstallProgress.waitChild spins if read fails immediately" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/53282 | 07:37 |
| ogra | hmm, intresting | 07:43 |
| ogra | that daily iso rsync had only changes on ppc | 07:44 |
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| ogra | ARGH | 08:10 |
| ogra | Unknown terminal: bterm | 08:10 |
| ogra | where does that come from in the installer ??? | 08:11 |
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| sitontony | i have a suggestion | 08:12 |
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| sitontony | i have a suggestion for the developement | 08:14 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: I guess the Debian BTS LDAP gateway is down atm? | 08:15 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development (not support, even with edgy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | It's Merge Time! http://merges.ubuntu.com/ | Knot-1 freeze in effect - uploads to main frozen, ask Mithrandir for exceptions | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by Mithrandir at Thu Jul 13 08:28:56 2006 | ||
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| pitti | Kamion: sudo still purges if root once had a password which was then locked with passwd -l root | 08:24 |
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| pitti | Kamion: so I'd like to fix the prerm to check whether getent shadow root *starts* with ! instead of checking whether it is equal to ! | 08:25 |
| pitti | Kamion: are you fine with that? | 08:25 |
| fabbione | mdz_: no i didn't check because it was higher priority to finish other stuff. Also sparc desktop for knot-1 can be broken. It's not a regression and there for not so important | 08:25 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: ok to upload a new sudo with the env hanling fix Kamion needs for ubiquity? I also fixed a bashism and a bug in the prerm | 08:34 |
| fabbione | pitti: openais with your requested changes is up | 08:34 |
| pitti | thanks | 08:35 |
| fabbione | pitti: it's only waiting your magic touch to enter main | 08:35 |
| fabbione | pitti: so that i can unleash the new r-h-c-s | 08:35 |
| pitti | fabbione: -ENOMAGIC here | 08:35 |
| fabbione | pitti: and transit lvm2 to the new locking manager | 08:35 |
| pitti | fabbione: that requires ftpmaster powers (Kamion/Keybuk) | 08:35 |
| fabbione | pitti: well you still need to tell ftp-master to go ahead :) | 08:35 |
| pitti | fabbione: anyone can, they'll look at the MIR queue | 08:35 |
| pitti | Kamion, Keybuk: for the record, openais is good for main | 08:36 |
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| pitti | grr, I'm a fool, I just locked myself out of sudo | 08:37 |
| fabbione | pitti: you can use one of the unpatched exploit :P | 08:38 |
| pitti | heh, good idea :) the prctl one should work | 08:38 |
| === pitti tries that instead of rescue mode just for the fun of it | ||
| fabbione | yeah they actually do.. i think elmo knows :P | 08:38 |
| pitti | fabbione: the advantage of the prctl one is that the exploit works fine on all arches; that's pretty rare usually :) | 08:40 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: please | 08:46 |
| ogra | xorg postinst fails | 08:46 |
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| Burgwork | ajmitch, do you have a blog for your network auth stuff? | 08:51 |
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| Burgwork | Petaris, I just asked him | 08:52 |
| Petaris | Burgwork: Ok | 08:52 |
| ogra | Jul 17 18:45:04 in-target: Setting up xserver-xorg (7.0.22ubuntu5) ... | 09:04 |
| ogra | Jul 17 18:45:05 debconf: Obsolete command TITLE Configuring xserver-xorg called | 09:04 |
| ogra | Jul 17 18:45:08 in-target: xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been | 09:04 |
| ogra | Jul 17 18:45:08 in-target: customized | 09:04 |
| ogra | Jul 17 18:45:08 in-target: [: 31: | 09:04 |
| ogra | Jul 17 18:45:08 in-target: ==: unexpected operator | 09:04 |
| Keybuk | BASHISM! | 09:04 |
| ogra | ideas anyone ? i have no clue what that should tell me ... but it breaks edubuntu installs | 09:04 |
| ogra | *sigh* | 09:05 |
| jdub | :o | 09:05 |
| ogra | funnily i cant find any == in there | 09:05 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: I think Colin fixed that later today. | 09:05 |
| ogra | nope, its the recent package | 09:05 |
| ogra | it installs fine (even though it shows the error) in the normal system ... but breaks ltsp chroots | 09:06 |
| sladen | s/==/=/ | 09:06 |
| ogra | i would have sworn there is no == in that file at all .. but i just found it :D | 09:08 |
| ivoks | why do we have /var/lock and /dev/shm mounted as tmpfs with default size (each is half of RAM), and every user can write in those dirs | 09:08 |
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| Keybuk | ivoks: why does it matter? | 09:10 |
| Keybuk | any user can malloc() the equivalent size anyway | 09:10 |
| Keybuk | it's just page cache | 09:10 |
| ivoks | i know, but... | 09:11 |
| ivoks | do we really need 256MB for /var/lock? :) | 09:11 |
| Keybuk | no, you could always add an appropriate limiting option in /etc/fstab if you needed it | 09:11 |
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| ivoks | sure... well, there's no harm in leaving it like this... | 09:12 |
| Keybuk | note that you can set this in /etc/default/tmpfs | 09:12 |
| Keybuk | (for /dev/shm, that is) | 09:13 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, o if i upload a bashism free package for xorg ? | 09:17 |
| ogra | *ok even | 09:18 |
| Mithrandir | ogra: can I look at the diff, please? | 09:18 |
| ogra | heh, sure | 09:18 |
| ogra | +++ /tmp/GfWNPqHI0J/xorg-7.0.22ubuntu6/debian/xserver-xorg.postinst.in 2006-07-17 21:13:09.000000000 +0200 | 09:19 |
| ogra | @@ -383,7 +383,7 @@ | 09:19 |
| ogra | 09:19 | |
| ogra | # Set a sane monitor id default if probe fails | 09:19 |
| ogra | if [ -z "$MONITOR_IDENTIFIER" ] ; then | 09:19 |
| ogra | - MONITOR_IDENTIFIER=="Generic Monitor" | 09:19 |
| ogra | + MONITOR_IDENTIFIER="Generic Monitor" | 09:19 |
| ogra | and a changelog entry | 09:19 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, ^^ | 09:19 |
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| Mithrandir | that's not even a bashism. It's just illegal shell. Looks good to me. | 09:21 |
| === ogra uploads then | ||
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| ogra | i wonder if it finishes before all kernel builds :) | 09:22 |
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| bluefoxicy | pitti: utrace? | 09:28 |
| bluefoxicy | pitti: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-cvs-commits/2005-October/msg00448.html as well. | 09:28 |
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| pitti | bluefoxicy: that looks useful, thanks for digging it out | 09:36 |
| tseng | bluefoxicy: i met that jjohnson guy 2 years ago | 09:37 |
| tseng | with russel | 09:37 |
| bluefoxicy | pitti: yeah, also <drow> you do know other people have written code to automatically attach gdb to things, right? Last time I looked, gnome and kde could do it. <DannyB> drow: it's not good unless you've written it yourself <DannyB> don't you know anything | 09:39 |
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| bluefoxicy | tseng: interesting. BTW mdz wants to put the libgcrypt11 update into dapper-backports instead of dapper-updates. | 09:42 |
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| tseng | bluefoxicy: er, ok. | 09:42 |
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| Kamion | Keybuk: BTS LDAP> no idea, sorry, I've never really followed that | 10:12 |
| Kamion | ogra: export TERM=linux and get on with your life :) | 10:12 |
| Kamion | ogra: the installer uses a terminal called 'bterm' and unfortunately not much else really understands that terminal type | 10:12 |
| ogra | Kamion, hmm, but why does it do that suddenly ? it worked before | 10:12 |
| Kamion | pitti: sudo.prerm> sounds reasonable | 10:12 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: I did a BeautifulSoup version instead -- cf. ubuntu-archive | 10:13 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: what bts ldap thing? | 10:13 |
| Kamion | ogra: while that MONITOR_IDENTIFIER fix was correct, it's not what the warning was about | 10:14 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: there's an LDAP gateway to bugs.debian.org which aba (IIRC) wrote | 10:14 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: oh, that's down pending the cronjobs on merkel being reenabled. | 10:15 |
| ogra | Kamion, whats it then ? i didnt understand it | 10:15 |
| Mithrandir | AIUI | 10:15 |
| Kamion | ogra: just some stuff complains about a $TERM it doesn't understand, that's all; various things have warned about it in rescue mode for years | 10:15 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: sounds plausible | 10:15 |
| Kamion | ogra: well, I don't know yet or I'd have said :) | 10:15 |
| ogra | Kamion, ok, i'll add a TERM=linux to the top of the ltsp-build-client script, even i find it weird that it always worked until now | 10:15 |
| Kamion | ogra: you didn't give me any context about where the "Unknown terminal" message was coming from before now | 10:17 |
| Kamion | you should check what you're using that's trying to open a terminal; nothing in ltsp-build-client should be trying to talk to the terminal surely | 10:17 |
| ogra | Kamion, well, from xserver-xorg prostinst ... | 10:17 |
| Kamion | the unknown terminal message is coming from xserver-xorg.postinst? | 10:18 |
| ogra | ltsp-build-client is supposed to fail if the second stage install (xorg and ldm) in the chroot fails | 10:18 |
| ogra | yes | 10:18 |
| Kamion | I've found the == bashism; it's in xresprobe. fixing | 10:18 |
| ogra | i have an error with configuring xorg and xserver-xorg failed | 10:18 |
| ogra | ah | 10:19 |
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| Kamion | world conspiring against me. now apt is behaving weirdly. | 11:23 |
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