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| imbrandon_ | @schedule us/central | 12:38 |
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| Ubugtu | Schedule for US/Central: 17 Jul 08:00: Kubuntu | 17 Jul 14:30: Ubuntu Magazine | 18 Jul 15:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 14:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 12:38 |
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| rraphink | @schedule paris | 01:41 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Paris: 17 Jul 15:00: Kubuntu | 17 Jul 21:30: Ubuntu Magazine | 18 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 21:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 01:41 |
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| imbrandon | @schedule us/central | 02:17 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for US/Central: 17 Jul 08:00: Kubuntu | 17 Jul 14:30: Ubuntu Magazine | 18 Jul 15:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 14:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 02:17 |
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| nixternal | @schedule chicago | 02:17 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Chicago: 17 Jul 08:00: Kubuntu | 17 Jul 14:30: Ubuntu Magazine | 18 Jul 15:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 14:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 02:17 |
| imbrandon | dodo same timezone ;) | 02:18 |
| nixternal | i just popped in knuckle head | 02:18 |
| imbrandon | oh yea lol | 02:18 |
| nixternal | i haven't been up this early in 10 years | 02:18 |
| imbrandon | lol | 02:18 |
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| [Nirvana] | @schedule Toronto | 02:34 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Toronto: 17 Jul 09:00: Kubuntu | 17 Jul 15:30: Ubuntu Magazine | 18 Jul 16:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 16:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 15:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 02:34 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Kubuntu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 17 Jul 19:30 UTC: Ubuntu Magazine | 18 Jul 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 19 Jul 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 19:00 UTC: Ubuntu Marketing Team | ||
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| Tonio_ | hey | 02:55 |
| [Nirvana] | hello | 02:56 |
| nixternal | hiya Tonio_ | 02:56 |
| Tonio_ | heya nixternal | 02:56 |
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| [Nirvana] | nixternal: btw: thanks to your /leave msg, I know about #ubuntu-classroom, and I'm going to refer people, I'd just like to say thanks | 02:57 |
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| nixternal | heh [Nirvana] , i appreciate the support on that one. i just did a brief marketing campaign for those guys, and it seemed to work pretty well..we are getting more and more responses each day now | 02:58 |
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| nixternal | hiya kwwii | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | hey kwwii | 03:00 |
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| kwwii | hi all | 03:01 |
| rraphink | hi guys | 03:01 |
| imbrandon | moins all | 03:01 |
| === rraphink is at work but will try to be there ;) | ||
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| Hobbsee | okay...hi everyone | 03:02 |
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| Riddell | hi all | 03:02 |
| rraphink | hi Riddell | 03:02 |
| gnomefreak | hi | 03:02 |
| rraphink | hi Hobbsee | 03:02 |
| imbrandon | hey Riddell | 03:02 |
| Hobbsee | hi rraphink, Riddell, gnomefreak, imbrandon | 03:02 |
| mikix | hi everybody | 03:02 |
| gnomefreak | hi Hobbsee ;) | 03:02 |
| Riddell | lets start with names so we know who's here | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | hi mikix | 03:03 |
| === Riddell is Jonathan Riddell | ||
| === Hobbsee is Sarah Hobbs | ||
| === rraphink is Raphael Pinson | ||
| === seaLne is Kenny Duffus | ||
| === gnomefreak John Vivirito | ||
| === nixternal is Rich Johnson | ||
| === OculusAquilae is Bastian Holst | ||
| === mindspin is markus wimmer | ||
| === imbrandon is Brandon Holtsclaw | ||
| === Tonio_ is Anthony Mercatante | ||
| === kwwii is Kenneth Wimer | ||
| Riddell | good turnout :) | 03:04 |
| === allee is Achim Bohnet | ||
| Riddell | anyone here for membership? | 03:04 |
| allee | hmm, no toma. I jabber him | 03:04 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: very, yeah. i'd liked to have seen lure and jjesse too... | 03:04 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, looks like | 03:05 |
| imbrandon | # | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | we have quorum, good. | 03:05 |
| imbrandon | RichJohnson aka nixternal | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: nixternal's a special case - the first two people on the CC ack'd him, and they were waiting on mako...and waiting...and waiting.. | 03:05 |
| Riddell | anyone know Andrej, Jay M. Mapalo, Rafael Proena, or rouzic? | 03:05 |
| rraphink | ah right | 03:06 |
| rraphink | Riddell: many of them have no wiki page | 03:06 |
| nixternal | heh, sorry, was getting coffee... Hobbsee, i'm always a special case | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: nope | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:06 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, not i | 03:06 |
| allee | Riddell: no | 03:06 |
| gnomefreak | me neither | 03:06 |
| Riddell | I should probably e-mail them and ask why they signed up, they could well be involved with something we're not in contact with like translations | 03:06 |
| Riddell | we should do nixternal then | 03:06 |
| rraphink | translations you can see on LP | 03:07 |
| Riddell | nixternal: care to introduce yourself? | 03:07 |
| nixternal | heh, ok...here we go!!! | 03:07 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: yeah, then lets to artwork, and doco if jjesse makes it, then discuss anythign else | 03:07 |
| === nixternal is Rich Johnson, 32 years old, Chicago Illinois, US....Sys Admin by trade | ||
| Hobbsee | nixternal: please tell me your intro has been shortened.... | 03:07 |
| rraphink | hehe | 03:08 |
| nixternal | i work with the doc team, wiki team, marketing team...do bug triage, support stuff, forums, irc, bug you guys...and just had my first packaged uploaded this week | 03:08 |
| nixternal | short enough Hobbsee? | 03:08 |
| nixternal | 03:08 | |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: launchpad page link :P | 03:08 |
| imbrandon | wiki page ? | 03:08 |
| nixternal | you caught me offguard, so i didn't get to c/p my other one | 03:08 |
| Riddell | nixternal: you're doing the switching from windows doc right? | 03:08 |
| nixternal | https://launchpad.net/people/nixternal | 03:08 |
| nixternal | yes Riddell | 03:08 |
| Riddell | nixternal: how's that going? | 03:08 |
| nixternal | it is just starting right now...we have the base down, and now we are in the process of gathering content | 03:09 |
| Riddell | I'm looking forward to it | 03:09 |
| nixternal | there could very well end up being various versions as the community excitement is quite high for the documentation | 03:09 |
| nixternal | as i am | 03:09 |
| rraphink | nixternal: how are you related to Kubuntu in particular? | 03:10 |
| rraphink | (I mean vs. Ubuntu in general) | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | with the new user config tool, mentioned in your wiki page, may i mention that the way amarok handles mp3 support is *very* clever. right now, it's broken, but i have a fix that i'm going to test soon on my hard drive. | 03:10 |
| nixternal | i support mainly kubuntu since all i have really used is kde for years...i am helping jjesse with all of the kubuntu documentation | 03:10 |
| rraphink | ok | 03:10 |
| nixternal | i am picking up the packaging aspect with the help of Hobbsee and imbrandon | 03:11 |
| === imbrandon notes for everyone nixternal is the founder of the Chicago LoCo team and active in the Bug Squad / Laptop Testing / Documentation and IRC | ||
| nixternal | im gettin' ready to go back to school to knock the programming rust off, since i decided to change fields about 10 years ago and quit programming | 03:11 |
| gnomefreak | and marketing | 03:11 |
| === Hobbsee looks. specs are *way* too high for karma! | ||
| mindspin | and he is one of the few kubuntu guys in the marketing team | 03:11 |
| nixternal | oooh..gnomefreak, if jenda seen i introduced myself and didn't say i was part of the marketing team i would never hear the end of it thanks | 03:12 |
| Riddell | we have a marketing team? cool | 03:12 |
| nixternal | ya Riddell | 03:12 |
| rraphink | :) | 03:12 |
| gnomefreak | yw nixternal | 03:12 |
| toma | vote++ | 03:12 |
| rraphink | sounds very nice | 03:12 |
| Tonio_ | did knew this ! sounds nice | 03:12 |
| gnomefreak | yep ;) | 03:12 |
| allee | anyone that worked directly with nixternal? comments? | 03:12 |
| nixternal | plus the classroom | 03:12 |
| gnomefreak | hes alsoa big part of NuN | 03:12 |
| rraphink | nixternal: is the classroom related to the MOTU school anyhow? | 03:12 |
| nixternal | in the forums helping out...both ubuntu and kubuntu of course | 03:12 |
| [Nirvana] | He's a member of Kubuntuforums.net, good guy | 03:13 |
| nixternal | no rraphink..it is the NewUserNetwork | 03:13 |
| imbrandon | allee, i work with him alot, he is very active on irc helping and learing packaing | 03:13 |
| [Nirvana] | and a damn fast typer... jeez | 03:13 |
| nixternal | heh | 03:13 |
| gnomefreak | i think hes doing great in every team he is a part in | 03:13 |
| nixternal | 150+ wpm | 03:13 |
| rraphink | :) | 03:13 |
| Hobbsee | allee: yeah, i've worked with him, sometimes poking him to do various bits of documentation, and helping him out with packaging | 03:13 |
| nixternal | and chasing with the big pointy stick | 03:13 |
| Riddell | so lets vote | 03:13 |
| allee | Hobbsee: don't steal too much time from him documentation writing time ;) | 03:14 |
| Tonielmo | ack | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: well... | 03:14 |
| rraphink | +1 | 03:14 |
| Riddell | toma: want to go first? :) | 03:14 |
| Hobbsee | +1 | 03:14 |
| rraphink | Tonio_: lol | 03:14 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: ^^ I promissed to do it one day :) | 03:14 |
| rraphink | Tonio_: hehe :) | 03:14 |
| Riddell | +1 from me | 03:14 |
| Tonio_ | +1 for me based on jjesse feedback, since I discussed a lot with him concerning the docs a few weeks ago | 03:14 |
| Riddell | welcome to kubuntu membership nixternal | 03:14 |
| toma | +1 | 03:14 |
| === allee +1 for nixternal. | ||
| nixternal | ty very much guys!!!! you all rock!!!! | 03:15 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: welcome aboard | 03:15 |
| imbrandon | congrats nixternal ;) | 03:15 |
| nixternal | thank you!!! | 03:15 |
| gnomefreak | congrats nixternal | 03:15 |
| rraphink | welcome nixternal :) | 03:15 |
| === nixternal feels special!!! | ||
| [Nirvana] | congrats | 03:15 |
| nixternal | lol | 03:15 |
| Riddell | nixternal: I'll do the tick box thing after the meeting, poke me if I forget | 03:15 |
| allee | well that was an easy choice | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 03:15 |
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| kwwii | get to work nixternal :-) | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:15 |
| nixternal | gahah | 03:15 |
| nixternal | will do | 03:15 |
| rraphink | kwwii: haha | 03:15 |
| allee | congrats nixternal | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: artwork status update? | 03:15 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee suggested we go with an artwork update | 03:15 |
| nixternal | after the meeting of course | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | seeing as you've just said that? | 03:15 |
| nixternal | thank you everyone | 03:15 |
| kwwii | ok, really quickly: | 03:15 |
| === omeow wonders if someone ever got rejected. | ||
| Riddell | omeow: yes | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: i like the current usplash :P | 03:15 |
| kwwii | until now we have specs which say that we are replacing the usplash, KDM, Desktop splash and Wallpaper. | 03:15 |
| imbrandon | omeow, yes | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | omeow: yeah, last meeting, actually | 03:15 |
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| nixternal | yes omeow, tis why i waited a while | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | hi Mithrandir | 03:16 |
| kwwii | I think we should also think about changing the app-start page for konqi as well as the help center. | 03:16 |
| rraphink | Hobbsee: I think the current usplash is not kwwii's | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 03:16 |
| Mithrandir | hi again, Hobbsee | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | whoever's it is | 03:16 |
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| kwwii | Hobbsee: no, it is mine | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | ah :) | 03:16 |
| rraphink | kwwii: like my wallpaper ? :)= | 03:16 |
| === Hobbsee only installed edgy today - give her a break! | ||
| Riddell | kwwii: my slight concern with that is we'd be diverging from the KDE stuff a bit | 03:16 |
| kwwii | ahhh, actually I haven't checked edgy yet | 03:16 |
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| kwwii | Riddell: so let's change the KDE stuff too | 03:17 |
| imbrandon | and the default window deco , crystal is ugly imo ;) | 03:17 |
| Riddell | kwwii: also the app-start page for konqi should in theory be mirrored in kontact, kmail, kcontrol, akgregator and kbabel | 03:17 |
| kwwii | imbrandon: good point, I have an update for that too | 03:17 |
| kwwii | Riddell: yepp, I know | 03:17 |
| allee | imbrandon: what's ugly is up to the artits to decide ;) | 03:17 |
| kwwii | we would need to do them all | 03:17 |
| imbrandon | allee, yea ;) | 03:17 |
| kwwii | that is why I am asking here instead of just barging ahead as normal | 03:17 |
| allee | imbrandon: and we tell them if it's usable and acceptable ;) | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: i didnt think crystal was the current window deco, was it? i thought that was polyester | 03:18 |
| kwwii | so what does everyone think about that? | 03:18 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, whats wrong with diverging form kde as far as artwork ( k-d-s ) ? | 03:18 |
| === Hobbsee grabs a drink, and tries to make sense of all this. | ||
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, not in edgy | 03:18 |
| imbrandon | leaste not yet | 03:18 |
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| allee | kwwii: consistent artwork is good to have | 03:19 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: I've always positioned kubuntu a being close to KDE from an artwork view | 03:19 |
| Riddell | but if kwwii can come up with some rocking design then lets do it | 03:19 |
| imbrandon | allee, consistant with whom though, if we are taketing switchovers from windows or kde ? | 03:19 |
| allee | kwwii: but IMHO comon icons/themes first, then app specific stuff | 03:19 |
| === gnomefreak likes the wallpaper (simple and nice) in edgy kubuntu | ||
| kwwii | http://bootsplash.org/snapshot3.png shows my desktop with the changes I have made so far | 03:19 |
| kwwii | I will still update the buttons | 03:20 |
| allee | imbrandon: consistent as 'used in Kubuntu' | 03:20 |
| nixternal | heh, and it's purple | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: would you be talking a colour change, etc, or changing the way the buttons are located? | 03:20 |
| imbrandon | allee, ahh yes | 03:20 |
| Riddell | kwwii: which buttons | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: pretty :) | 03:20 |
| Riddell | ? | 03:20 |
| imbrandon | allee, i agree totaly but i do think the artwork for kubutu shouldent be a clone of every other kde setup out there , i'm not saying the FUNCTION just the artwork | 03:20 |
| allee | kwwii: brown folder icons? | 03:20 |
| Riddell | I think we're onto a winner with the purple | 03:21 |
| kwwii | Hobbsee: check that screenshot and you'll see that I changed the gradients used in the titlebar, the colors, and the window buttons in the titlebar need new pixmaps, as those do not fit | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 03:21 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, the min max close | 03:21 |
| [Nirvana] | kubuntu edgy is purple? | 03:21 |
| === nixternal admits that is a 'nice' shade of purple kwwii | ||
| kwwii | imbrandon: exactly | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: right, okay | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | [Nirvana] : yes | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: i'm not great on artwork stuff :) | 03:21 |
| kwwii | :-) | 03:21 |
| Tonio_ | I'm not a fan of purple, but that's probably interesting since this color isn't widely used | 03:21 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: next time suggest pink, mmm kay? | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | :P | 03:22 |
| nixternal | just on gentoo | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | and since it is kwwii, I'm of course self confident is the result | 03:22 |
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| kwwii | the good thing is, if I do it right, we could change the purple to blue pretty quickly if things don't work out well | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: at least it is more original than blue.... | 03:22 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 03:22 |
| mindspin | the brown folders look stragnge to me | 03:22 |
| nixternal | oh i totally agree | 03:22 |
| gnomefreak | while were ont her topic is there any way to intergrate a "themes changer" so new users can do it without compiling themes? | 03:22 |
| nixternal | i actually like it...i said as long as it wasn't 'barney purple' | 03:22 |
| [Nirvana] | kinda reminds me of the kubuntu amsn theme | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: my personal opinion: assuming we're discussing colours, etc, i'm fine with it changing to be whatever - but we probably shouldnt change from the kde defaults, unless we have a good reason to | 03:22 |
| imbrandon | yea the brown does look a bit strange against the purple | 03:22 |
| kwwii | Hobbsee: I totally agree | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: it's there, in system settings. but system settings is a confusing mess. | 03:23 |
| gnomefreak | ah ok | 03:23 |
| omeow | Is the kicker going to stay that size by default too? | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: cool :) in fact, in one of my points i'm wanting to revert a couple of changes | 03:23 |
| allee | Tonio_: that purple is not used often may have a reason that is not originality | 03:23 |
| kwwii | the brown icons are just a test I did when I made that screenshot | 03:23 |
| Riddell | omeow: no | 03:23 |
| omeow | Ok, good. :) | 03:23 |
| kwwii | Hobbsee: like what? | 03:23 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, we have a good reason , we;re not kde ;) i do think the artwork for kubutu shouldent be a clone of every other kde setup out there , i'm not saying the FUNCTION just the artwork | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: the change to konq that i want to make? | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: yeah, exactly | 03:24 |
| [Nirvana] | um, this may sound silly, but why is the default k menu the K instead of the kubuntu logo? | 03:24 |
| kwwii | Hobbsee: if we change the kde stuff as well, and simply use a few different pics for kubuntu that is pretty much the same | 03:24 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: cool :) | 03:25 |
| omeow | I don't like the switch user, lock session and log out buttons. | 03:25 |
| Riddell | [Nirvana] : because we don't want to hide our KDE-ness | 03:25 |
| imbrandon | [Nirvana] , becosue kwwii hasent designed us a uber leet kubuntu button ;) | 03:25 |
| allee | imbrandon: we should take the best from KDE and not preplace it just because we want to be different | 03:25 |
| omeow | The ones in dapper are nice because they each have a different colour. Making it easy to distinguish. | 03:25 |
| [Nirvana] | I saw one around | 03:25 |
| [Nirvana] | easyubuntu used to be able to change it to the kubuntu logo | 03:25 |
| === nixternal wants to see the 'reinhardt' style come back | ||
| kwwii | we could make a crystal kubuntu logo for use there if there is interest | 03:25 |
| === Hobbsee reads back to see what kwwii is actually wanting approval over - to play with colours and see what looks good, right? | ||
| allee | imbrandon: and if something is not that good, we should try better and give back so next time it's in KDE | 03:26 |
| imbrandon | allee, right, but look at ubuntu branding , they have the logo on the application menu etc i think we should do some of the same | 03:26 |
| freeflying | kwwii: nice, some icons like osx's :) | 03:26 |
| kwwii | oh, and the spinner in konqueror should be improved | 03:26 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: it was the new about:konq and help centre graphics | 03:26 |
| kwwii | freeflying: that is the oxygen set we are working on | 03:26 |
| mindspin | I agree with omeow concerning the switch user etc. buttons | 03:26 |
| Riddell | kwwii: that's rendered from a 3d model, I'd need to dig up the guy who did it | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: right, that's what i thought. we've just gone veering off somehow. | 03:27 |
| mindspin | colours would be nice | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | +1 mindspin | 03:27 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: that happens with artwork | 03:27 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: hehe, true. | 03:27 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 03:27 |
| kwwii | well, the dapper release was kinda quick, as I started during the UI sprint | 03:28 |
| === Hobbsee just learned a new way to get back to the first konq screen. nice! | ||
| Riddell | kwwii: so looking good, new about:konq and help centre should be good too | 03:29 |
| Riddell | shall we move on? | 03:29 |
| imbrandon | yup | 03:29 |
| kwwii | yepp | 03:29 |
| Riddell | no jjesse, tsk | 03:29 |
| Hobbsee | +1 to moving on | 03:29 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: yeah, he was trying to make it | 03:29 |
| === allee agrees with Hobbsee | ||
| Riddell | we should go to the agenda then http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings | 03:29 |
| Riddell | [Nirvana] : you're first | 03:29 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: who's chairing? i added a lot to the agenda :P | 03:29 |
| [Nirvana] | whoops sorry | 03:30 |
| imbrandon | [Nirvana] , your css stuff | 03:30 |
| [Nirvana] | trying | 03:30 |
| [Nirvana] | msgs aren't being sent | 03:30 |
| Riddell | we can read you here, please introduce it | 03:30 |
| [Nirvana] | So yeah, I made like 3-4 css changes to the kubuntu page | 03:30 |
| Riddell | [Nirvana] : which one? | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | [Nirvana] : link to it? | 03:31 |
| seaLne | is there a working version of http://halovids.buildyourforum.com/x/test.html somewhere? | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | the pastebin link is dead too. | 03:31 |
| imbrandon | while we're waiting for [Nirvana] i think what he is talking aobut can be filed against website-bugs and have the website team change the template if Riddell or whome ever agrees | 03:31 |
| [Nirvana] | change buildyourforum to globalnetworld | 03:31 |
| [Nirvana] | could be ^ | 03:31 |
| [Nirvana] | it's a cross, because it's about kubuntu and should use kubuntu colours, but is about the release (http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/6.06/ ) page | 03:32 |
| seaLne | yep | 03:32 |
| Riddell | http://halovids.globalnetworld.com/x/test.html | 03:32 |
| Riddell | [Nirvana] : the icons needs crystalised :) | 03:32 |
| [Nirvana] | I didn't change any icons | 03:32 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: this isn't the website, it's managed quite differently | 03:32 |
| [Nirvana] | just css | 03:33 |
| imbrandon | crystal or oxygen ;) | 03:33 |
| nixternal | Riddell: i can make a brief statement about kubuntu docs, however i don't know how detailed jjesse was planning | 03:33 |
| Riddell | Kamion: how easy is it to have different CSS and icons for the Kubuntu pages on cdimage? | 03:33 |
| Hobbsee | that page is quite badly laid out for new users - probably needs a section on what .manifest and .torrent, etc, are | 03:34 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, releases no cdimage right ? cdimage is old i think | 03:34 |
| Hobbsee | but anyway, that's not a kubuntu issue | 03:34 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: cdimage is daily, releases is final things, they both come from the same teamplates | 03:34 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 03:34 |
| Riddell | [Nirvana] : I've no idea how easy this is, I'll talk to Kamion when he's around and find out, if it's not hard I'll make the changes | 03:35 |
| [Nirvana] | what I did was go to the release page (where you download the iso) and saved it with firefox, then open uo nvu and change some css, I didn't touch any text/icons or anything | 03:35 |
| [Nirvana] | the added css is in the source underneath the @imports | 03:35 |
| kwwii | guess we should use our own icons for that page too, or? | 03:36 |
| Riddell | kwwii: ideally yes | 03:36 |
| Riddell | but it's not the most important thing in the world, I'll only do it if it's easy | 03:36 |
| Hobbsee | [Nirvana] : the "comment" on your next agenda item is this? Burning a VCD from AVI files is even trickier. In very broad strokes, youll need to install K3b, a CD burning program, and a package called VCDimager, and tell K3b where its located. Youll also need a command-line program called FFmpeg to convert AVI files to MPG, which is the format that K3b uses. Sounds complicated? It is, but its doable. | 03:36 |
| kwwii | then let's dig those up from crystal, if it is technically possible | 03:36 |
| Hobbsee | [Nirvana] : would be good if you'd listed which bit you wanted to talk about in the agenda, FYI | 03:36 |
| Kamion | Riddell: not particularly hard, file a bug on /products/ubuntu-cdimage with what you want changed | 03:38 |
| Riddell | Kamion: ok, cool | 03:38 |
| Kamion | Riddell: would prefer not massively different CSS | 03:38 |
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| Kamion | at the moment I just use that from the Ubuntu website; if I can just use that from the Kubuntu website, that's cool | 03:38 |
| allee | [Nirvana] : as you're an CSS expert. Check kubuntu wiki css why the fonts are different from default font size used in kubuntu | 03:38 |
| Kamion | don't want to get into maintaining different CSS locally though | 03:39 |
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| Kamion | Hobbsee: ditto for you, bugs welcome | 03:39 |
| Hobbsee | Kamion: hehe. just watch me assign the entire archive to you :P | 03:40 |
| imbrandon | lol | 03:40 |
| Riddell | welcome back Nirvana, you have another agenda idem | 03:40 |
| Nirvana | weird lagged out... | 03:40 |
| Kamion | I can reject just as quickly as anyone else :P | 03:40 |
| nixternal | note weird, but typical | 03:40 |
| Nirvana | ahh | 03:40 |
| nixternal | s/note/not | 03:40 |
| nixternal | 03:40 | |
| Nirvana | OK, | 03:40 |
| Riddell | Nirvana: Kamion says it should be possible to get a different stylesheet used for those kubuntu pages so that should be doable | 03:40 |
| Nirvana | comment: "As an addendum, I tried sharing the printer using Samba, but this task is really more difficult than it should be. Nobody should have to edit configuration files or to scour the mailing lists simply to share a printer on the network." | 03:41 |
| Kamion | as long as it's maintained somewhere other than cdimage | 03:41 |
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| Hobbsee | hi Sho_! | 03:41 |
| Sho_ | moin | 03:41 |
| Hobbsee | Sho_: welcome to the kubuntu meeting :) | 03:41 |
| Riddell | Nirvana: we have a spec to turn on easy printer sharing, I don't know what's required to get that working with samba | 03:41 |
| Nirvana | ahh, so deferred? or should I continue with what he said? | 03:42 |
| imbrandon | moins Sho_ , Kamion like on kubuntu.org or some such and just linked from the html is cdimage ? sounds like a good plan | 03:42 |
| Riddell | Nirvana: does he say what needs done? | 03:42 |
| Nirvana | kinda | 03:42 |
| Nirvana | comment: I did try a number of solutions, but so far, no luck. This REALLY should be a matter of right-clicking the printer and opening up a share menu. Unfortunately, this is one of those areas that still needs improvement in making this distro even more user-friendly. Jerome, maybe this is something you can get intoa simple GUI method of sharing a printer on an Ubuntu machine? | 03:42 |
| Kamion | I've changed the CSS on http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dapper/ to be http://www.kubuntu.org/ubuntu.css; does that look better now? (you might have to reload a few times to catch a mirror that's updated) | 03:43 |
| Kamion | obviously the icons still need to be done | 03:43 |
| Nirvana | beautiful | 03:43 |
| Nirvana | except | 03:43 |
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| Nirvana | the cd downloads don't have a border bottom of 100% that's blue, they're just links | 03:44 |
| digitalmouse | greetings programs! just here to listen in on the next meeting... (loggin in case I need to step out) | 03:44 |
| Riddell | Kamion: still looks brown to me | 03:44 |
| digitalmouse | logging* | 03:44 |
| Kamion | Riddell: keep reloading | 03:44 |
| Nirvana | wait... it just turned brown when I refreshed | 03:44 |
| Riddell | oh, it'll need to sync to all the servers of course | 03:44 |
| seaLne | yeah it is working | 03:44 |
| Kamion | Nirvana: the download list is just apache's fancy directory listing, I can't easily change that | 03:45 |
| Nirvana | I figured | 03:45 |
| Nirvana | but I didn't mean that | 03:45 |
| seaLne | you ment the Desktop CD and Alternate install CD section headers? | 03:46 |
| Riddell | hmm, it's missing some underlines on the headers | 03:46 |
| Kamion | oh, that's CSS for <dt>, feel free to change the CSS on the website or provide me a URL on kubuntu.org with CSS that fixes that | 03:46 |
| Riddell | Kamion: ok, will do | 03:46 |
| Riddell | Nirvana: not much I can do about smb printer sharing frontends without knowing what needs done to the backend, if you could research that it would be cool | 03:47 |
| seaLne | h3 dosen't have border-bottom: 2px solid #6e8ec1; | 03:48 |
| Riddell | seaLne: yeah, it looked bad on kubuntu.org | 03:48 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: firefox themes | 03:48 |
| imbrandon | ok this is all pertaining to edgy | 03:48 |
| imbrandon | Suggest creating firefox-kubuntu ( theme ) package to complement the new firefox-ubuntu ( theme ) dep so Kubuntu users who choose firefox don't have to deal with the brown theme ( can this not be a dep of u-d-s and not firefox so k-d-s can add a dep of firefox-kubuntu for the artwork/theme or even add it right to k-d-s ) | 03:48 |
| Riddell | I've not looked at the new stuff in ubuntu for this, I've no idea how easy it is to adapt | 03:48 |
| === Hobbsee thinks imbrandon should make it. | ||
| === nixternal too | ||
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: there's a couple of links made on the...oh, where is it... | 03:49 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: we can probably get firefox to depend on one or the other I'm not sure | 03:49 |
| imbrandon | well my main this is why did they dep it on firefox and not uds , like when i installed edgy yesterday my ff is/was all browish ;) | 03:49 |
| Riddell | ogra: what happened in eadubuntu with respect to ubuntu-firefox? | 03:49 |
| seaLne | maybe if it is left brown they will use konq :) | 03:50 |
| imbrandon | lol seaLne | 03:50 |
| === Hobbsee shoots that wiki.kubuntu.org errror. | ||
| nixternal | hehe Hobbsee | 03:50 |
| ogra | Riddell, with regard to what ? the startpage? | 03:50 |
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| Riddell | ogra: the new themeing stuff | 03:50 |
| nixternal | wiki.ubuntu.com does the same thing w/o the error | 03:50 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: there's a couple of links made on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates/Kubuntu with respect to that, no idea how easy it is to implement | 03:50 |
| Nrvana | OK, lag out #2 | 03:50 |
| Riddell | ogra: I thought I saw you saying it looked bad in edubuntu | 03:50 |
| ogra | nothing yet, i'm not happy about it | 03:50 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, i know it is, but partialy itss a case of getting ubuntu-dev to dep firefox-ubuntu on uds not firefox its self | 03:51 |
| ogra | we'll either have to ship our own theme or switch to epiphany ... | 03:51 |
| ogra | the latter is very likely sonce we need it for kiosk mode anyway | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: ooh, i have a screensaver bug to assign to you. | 03:51 |
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| Hobbsee | ogra: https://launchpad.net/bugs/49228 | 03:51 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 49228 in kdeartwork "kscreensaver-xsavers installed but screensavers from xscreensaver-gl missing" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] | 03:51 |
| Nrvana | can someone kick [Nirvana] | 03:51 |
| ogra | Hobbsee, go ahead :) | 03:52 |
| kwwii_ | erm, my client died | 03:52 |
| kwwii_ | sorry | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii_: ghost it. /msg nickserv ghost kwwii yourpassword | 03:52 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: I imagine it's just a case of making a kubuntu-firefox package and having firefox depend on ubuntu-firefox | kubuntu-firefox | 03:52 |
| Hobbsee | Nrvana: same thing | 03:52 |
| Riddell | but I'm not sure without looking at it | 03:52 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, see what i'm saying about the deps, if it deped on uds it wouldent be an issue at all for kubuntu | 03:52 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, true ( and the creation of kubuntu-firefox ) | 03:53 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: we cant really have a kubuntu-firefox as a dep of kubuntu-desktop, for the same reason as kscreensaver-xsavers as part of k0d | 03:53 |
| seaLne | except wouldn't you get it without having ff? | 03:53 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: actually firefox-themes-ubuntu seemas to have multiple themes, maybe we could just put a crystal theme in there | 03:53 |
| Hobbsee | seaLne: exactly | 03:53 |
| kwwii_ | Hobbsee: and what does that do exactly? | 03:54 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, probbly and make it default to that on kubuntu | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii_: ghosts your deaded client, and lets you /nick kwwii :) | 03:54 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: yep | 03:54 |
| omeow | Can you make firefox/thunderbird stop using the gnome user interface convention? | 03:54 |
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| imbrandon | omeow, sorta | 03:54 |
| kwwii_ | Hobbsee: well, that does not seem to work either, but anyway...for another place this conversation is | 03:55 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: could you look at doing that? | 03:55 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, sure i would love to ;) | 03:55 |
| nixternal | FILEPICKER_CONTRACTID | 03:55 |
| Riddell | rocking | 03:55 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: you have another agenda item | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | and then it's my entire section :P | 03:55 |
| imbrandon | riefly ask Riddell to explain what packages Kubuntu wants tested for backporting and if there is a list/wikipage with them listed and what the current status of backports are -- imbrandon 2006-07-17 00:31:37 | 03:55 |
| imbrandon | heh | 03:55 |
| Sho_ | One of the bigger problems with FF and TB is the button order in dialog boxes | 03:55 |
| imbrandon | s/^/B/g | 03:55 |
| Sho_ | But considering they use "KDE button order" on Windows, too, I assume there's a way to get it to use it on Linux, too | 03:56 |
| imbrandon | Sho_, yea i know how to fix that i'll see if i can incorp it into ubuntu-firefox-themes | 03:56 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: kaffine has been tested, dbus needs to be done, anything else you can think of too | 03:56 |
| Sho_ | imbrandon: That would be nice | 03:56 |
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| Riddell | imbrandon: with infinity back we might even get the backports processed at some point | 03:57 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: did you see what crimsun said earlier w.r.t. backports in #kubuntu-devel? | 03:57 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: nope | 03:57 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, no | 03:57 |
| Riddell | what did he say? | 03:57 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: explained the process of backporting something, pointed to the !backports link | 03:58 |
| Hobbsee | if you want to join the team, you join it on LP | 03:58 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: yay :) | 03:58 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, rockin , /me has been waiting on the kbfx backport he filed a while ago | 03:58 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: do you know if they're currently happening? | 03:58 |
| imbrandon | gah you got me saing rockin now LOL | 03:58 |
| Riddell | "they're blocked on the buildd admins having the infrastructure" guess not | 03:59 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: not at the moment, buildd people dont know how ot put thru the backports, or something | 03:59 |
| Riddell | it needs soyuz support | 03:59 |
| Hobbsee | yeah | 03:59 |
| imbrandon | soyuz support, yea thats what crimsun said | 03:59 |
| imbrandon | what does that mean exatly lol | 03:59 |
| toma | soyus? | 03:59 |
| Riddell | soyuz is the part of launchpad that manages the buildds and archives | 04:00 |
| Hobbsee | soyuz is something strange that i dont really know about, but has something to do with launchpad. | 04:00 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 04:00 |
| === imbrandon will look into joining the backport team and learn all of this | ||
| Riddell | groovy | 04:00 |
| Riddell | so Hobbsee has some agenda items | 04:00 |
| imbrandon | that way we have atleaste one kde guy on there ;) | 04:01 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: heh, yes, some. | 04:01 |
| toma | this is not the first release we do backports for... | 04:01 |
| Hobbsee | Who wants to deal with kvpnc? Has it fallen off the edge of the world again? I see it's off the edgy packages list. | 04:01 |
| gnomefreak | some? | 04:01 |
| Hobbsee | debian and ubuntu digressed a lot, so it probably wont be a simple merge | 04:01 |
| imbrandon | toma are there actualy any backports for breezy ? | 04:01 |
| Hobbsee | gnomefreak: yeah, like over half of it | 04:01 |
| allee | Hobbsee: kdelibs-bin is still on my TODO for kde-extras repo | 04:01 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: sure there are | 04:01 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: i saw ;) | 04:01 |
| toma | Hobbsee: i think someone who did kvpnc before | 04:01 |
| Hobbsee | toma: cool, okay | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | allee: what about kdelibs-bin? | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | and which kde-extras repo? | 04:02 |
| toma | Hobbsee: it contains patches and it is hard to guess if they are still needed | 04:02 |
| imbrandon | kde-extras ? | 04:02 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: kde-extras is all the extragear stuff in debian | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | ah, right | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | allee: so kdelibs-bin needs to be removed from all that as well? cool | 04:02 |
| toma | Hobbsee: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=pkg-kde-extras@lists.alioth.debian.org | 04:03 |
| Hobbsee | all of the ubuntu repos have gotten rid of kdelibs-bin, except wlassistant, which seemed to be uploaded to the wrong distro by accident. | 04:03 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: Are amarok-arts packages being put in Edgy, for amarok 1.4.1? | 04:03 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: or are we removing amarok-arts from the archive? | 04:03 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: it should be removed | 04:04 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ie, are we only distributing amarok-xine? | 04:04 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: and therefore what do we do with the gstreamer reports? | 04:04 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: which gstreamer reports? | 04:04 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: fabo is the man for kvpnc, we should poke him and see what the status is | 04:04 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: lots of bug reports about gstreamer in amarok on launchpad | 04:04 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ah right, fabo is for that as well. | 04:05 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: gstreamer isn't the supported backend so tough on them, it doesn't even exist in edgy | 04:05 |
| allee | Riddell, Hobbsee fabo is away until next week AFAIR | 04:05 |
| Riddell | oh yes, fabo's away | 04:05 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: hehe, right, so someone can go do lots of bug closing :) | 04:05 |
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| allee | but we can add changes nevertheless ;) | 04:05 |
| Hobbsee | Who's writing the UVF exception report for kopete? Where's the changelog again? i'm assuming that's my job, unless Riddell's doing it? | 04:05 |
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| Sho_ | Or hasn't made it, actually | 04:06 |
| Hobbsee | Sidenote: Anyone who wants to cheer for me for MOTU, on Tuesday's Tech Board meeting is welcome; it's at 2000UTC. | 04:07 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I'll write it, poke me after the meeting so I don't forget | 04:07 |
| nixternal | haha | 04:07 |
| Hobbsee | Sho_: is konversation in main? guess it is. | 04:07 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: okay, cool, will do | 04:07 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, yea its in main | 04:07 |
| Sho_ | Hobbsee: It's in the default installation selection, FWIW | 04:07 |
| Riddell | Sho_: any estimated release date? | 04:07 |
| Sho_ | Riddell: Not before the end of August, I'd say | 04:07 |
| Sho_ | Riddell: But it's a less painful migration than 0.18->0.19. While there will be a lot of feature work and many bugfixes, the preferences file format hasn't changed, unlike in 0.19 where extensive conversation scripts needed to run. | 04:08 |
| Sho_ | Riddell: I.e. it should be fairly smooth all around. | 04:08 |
| Sho_ | s/conversation/conversion/ | 04:08 |
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| Riddell | Sho_: I don't think it'll be a problem, so long as the release is stable | 04:09 |
| Hobbsee | # | 04:09 |
| Hobbsee | Gamin fixes from [WWW] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates - any packagers interested in doing these? I think we can start doing these after the Knot 1 freeze. I'm happy to sponsor people's uploads of this after the TB meeting. | 04:09 |
| Hobbsee | # | 04:09 |
| Hobbsee | ouch, dodgy paste. | 04:09 |
| Hobbsee | as the next item | 04:09 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: i think might want to do some of these | 04:09 |
| Riddell | note that gamin stuff is dependant on not using gamin actually working | 04:09 |
| imbrandon | yea and i'll grab a few as time permits | 04:09 |
| Sho_ | Riddell: The development version is more stable than 0.19 at this point, but there's major feature work still pending. We'll do a stabilization period with string freeze in any case, of course. | 04:09 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: heh, so that's not final yet? | 04:10 |
| nixternal | I'm gam(e)in | 04:10 |
| Riddell | nixternal: that would be cool, it's entirely trivial just rebuild with build1 or ubuntu2 version numbers | 04:10 |
| nixternal | unless of course it is a new upstream | 04:11 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: not definately final, but I the expectation is we're getting rid of gamin | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: right, can you give me confirrmation if/when that actually happens, and i'll poke people to do the fixes? | 04:11 |
| Sho_ | Riddell: Let me but it this way, what's the threshold date after which it becomes really inconvenient for Kubuntu to put it in? ;) | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | Sho_: universe freeze? we'd like to get testers using it as much as possible | 04:12 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee, nixternal we might have lots of autoconf 2.60 trouble with the rebuilds | 04:12 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: yeah, kpowersave is bitten with that. | 04:12 |
| Riddell | Sho_: September 7th feature freeze | 04:12 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: make sure you dont take your patch down off kubuntu.org w.r.t autoconf :P | 04:12 |
| Sho_ | Riddell: ok | 04:12 |
| toma | Riddell: autoconf 2.6 in edgy? | 04:12 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: it's staying there for a long time | 04:12 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: good :) | 04:13 |
| Riddell | toma: yes, breaks lots of KDE stuff with admin/ directories that don't detect it | 04:13 |
| toma | Riddell: there is a simple patch for that, but i guess you know that | 04:13 |
| nixternal | oh fun | 04:13 |
| Riddell | toma: yep | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | # | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | Can we get the views in konqueror reverted? (ie, be able to click on the button, and detailed list/icons/pictures view is shown, as is standard in KDE? What other changes might make sense to revert? | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | sorry - i dont have a screenshot of what it's like in kde | 04:14 |
| Kamion | imbrandon: my loose plan for backports is to just port the freaking script over from the old archive infrastructure myself | 04:14 |
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| Kamion | Riddell: the backports blocker at present is not infinity, it's on the archive side | 04:15 |
| Sho_ | Riddell: Regarding the Konqueror menus, one problem I've experienced frequently during end-user support in #kde is that the "Safe View Changes Per Folder" toggle acction seems to be missing from Dapper's Konqueror entirely | 04:15 |
| imbrandon | Kamion, cool , as i said i would like to look into joining the backport team too to look more into the k* stuff but i'll tend to that after the meeting | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | but in standard kde, the view, view mode, options are part of the same toolbar as back, forward, etc. what was the kubuntu rationale for changing this in the first place, and do we still want it that way? | 04:15 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: rationale is to not have lots of buttons in konqueror | 04:16 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: also it's quite badly implemented, should be a dropdown list not three dropdown buttons | 04:16 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i'd think that those buttons were fairly obvious, and very useful. dropdown would be more effective, maybe. | 04:16 |
| imbrandon | toolbar buttons bad, dropdown good | 04:17 |
| imbrandon | if its not in the top 2% of actions it shouldent be a tollbar button | 04:17 |
| Riddell | there's not really any space on the kubuntu konqueror layout to add them | 04:17 |
| imbrandon | tool* | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | toolbar buttons are better than no option at all. | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, okay, maybe | 04:17 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: the option is there, in the View menu, but I agree it's not very convenient | 04:17 |
| === Hobbsee will have to look to see what kde did with it. but that's on dapper | ||
| === Hobbsee tends to swap options a lot. | ||
| Riddell | Sho_: is that a menu item? | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: it's not, but lets discuss it anyway. | 04:18 |
| Sho_ | Riddell: In KDE's Konq it's in the "Settings" menu, yup | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | oh, oops | 04:18 |
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| Riddell | Sho_: hmm, sounds like more suited to a configuration dialogue option | 04:19 |
| Riddell | it's not something you change lots | 04:19 |
| Sho_ | Riddell: Actually it's two items, "Save View Changes Per Folder" and "Remove Folder Properties". The former is a toggle action that makes Konqueror heed .directory files which contain saved instructions on how to display that folder, and the latter removes such a file if it is clicked. | 04:19 |
| Sho_ | Riddell: I've had a number of Dapper users in #kde that couldn't get their view mode to stick, and when I asked them to deactivate "Save View Changes Per Folder" they couldn't | 04:20 |
| Sho_ | Riddell: On Windows, it's an Explorer config dialog options | 04:20 |
| kwwii | sorry to interrupt, but http://bootsplash.org/crystal_webicons.tar.bz2 are the crystal equivalents of the icons used on that page from earlier | 04:21 |
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| Riddell | kwwii: thanks | 04:21 |
| Riddell | Sho_: I'm not convinced that adding it back is worth messing up the Settings menu even more | 04:22 |
| Sho_ | Riddell: I agree it shouldn't be in the menus either, but being unable to access it is a substantial problem. Perhaps the Kubuntu Konq should at least default to "Save Per Folder = off", so that changing the view mode in one folder changes it everywhere. | 04:23 |
| Riddell | Sho_: sure, we could do that | 04:24 |
| Sho_ | Riddell: The underlying problem is that users manage to get into a state where they switch the view mode, than navigate to another folder and get a different view mode, and find no way to change the view mode consistently, which drives them up walls | 04:24 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: could you look at that? | 04:24 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: having a todo list on the wiki sounds good | 04:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: let me read.... I'm lock on a crashed sql server.... | 04:25 |
| Sho_ | Riddell: This is partly made worse by KDE 3.5.2 in which the media:/ kparts are buggy wrt/ applying the right view mode, which was fixed in 3.5.3 | 04:25 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: voyager's working now, right? | 04:25 |
| Tonio_ | Sho_: can you describe a bit more plz ? | 04:26 |
| Tonio_ | I don't understand the point where users don't find how to change the view mode.... | 04:26 |
| Tonio_ | it is not that hard to find is it ? | 04:26 |
| Sho_ | Tonio_: The problem is that Konqueror is capable of storing the view mode either as a global default or a per-folder setting, and the menu item to toggle between the two behaviors is unavailable in Kubuntu | 04:27 |
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| Tonio_ | Sho_: hum, true | 04:27 |
| kwwii | such behavior is typical in win and osx as well | 04:27 |
| Sho_ | Tonio_: So as long as that menu item is unavailable, it is my opinion that the Kubuntu Konq should do its best to always use the consistent, global default, because the user cannot switch off per-folder settings | 04:27 |
| Sho_ | As for the KDE 3.5.2 media:/ view mode bug fixed in 3.5.3: http://bugs.kde.org/108542 | 04:28 |
| Tonio_ | Sho_: currently, if you change the view mode, the setting is stored for all folders | 04:28 |
| Tonio_ | am I wrong on that point ?* | 04:28 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, yea voyager is up, its what i'm typing from | 04:29 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: okay, i might get some stuff to build on it, maybe. | 04:29 |
| Sho_ | Tonio_: I don't know, I've never used a Kubuntu Konq with default settings. But I do quite a bit of end-user support in #kde, and I've helped about half a dozen Dapper users which had the problem of the view mode switching all the time. Either by explaining to them how to delete the Kubuntu rc files to get the menu item, or by modifying the config file. | 04:30 |
| Sho_ | Tonio_: But I can't tell you how they manage to get into that state | 04:30 |
| Tonio_ | Sho_: launch konq, change the view mode and save your profile, the setting will be stored for every folder | 04:30 |
| Tonio_ | the only thing is that the setting is not stored automatically, they just have to save their profile, which is a consitent and logic way to do, in my view | 04:31 |
| Sho_ | Tonio_: That's what I advised as first and what usually didn't work out | 04:31 |
| Tonio_ | maybe that should be documented | 04:31 |
| Tonio_ | Sho_: strange.... I'l have a look, but I'm testing here and it works... | 04:32 |
| kwwii | sounds like a bug to me | 04:32 |
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| Tonio_ | Sho_: it works except with certain protocols, like media:/ | 04:32 |
| Sho_ | Tonio_: Yeah, I guess there needs to be more research done on how exactly the problem comes about ... | 04:32 |
| Tonio_ | it has been corrected in 3.5.3 | 04:32 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: any more agenda items? | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | but don't forget dapper is 3.5.2 based ;) | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | most users don't have 3.5.3 | 04:33 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: well, you can see what the next one was, you dont have to discuss it. | 04:33 |
| Sho_ | Tonio_: Yes ... considering I just sent you the link to that bug: I know ;) | 04:33 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: todo list, cool | 04:33 |
| Hobbsee | i didnt think of anything else mindshattering during work. only about going for core-dev | 04:33 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: you organising, yay! | 04:33 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: hehe - tha'ts really okay, and not stepping on your toes? | 04:34 |
| Riddell | step all you want | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | ;P | 04:34 |
| Hobbsee | oh dear. Riddell's toes got broken. | 04:34 |
| Tonio_ | Sho_: if you see some of those people can you send them to me ? | 04:34 |
| Hobbsee | anyone else got problems with me organising things? | 04:34 |
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| Tonio_ | I'd like to see what are the problems first to think about a solution ;) | 04:34 |
| Sho_ | Tonio_: ok | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, keeps me orginised ;) | 04:34 |
| gnomefreak | Hobbsee: go for it | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | heh | 04:35 |
| kwwii | as long as you do whatever I say, no problem here | 04:35 |
| Tonio_ | Sho_: tonio@ubuntu.com if they want to mail me | 04:35 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: hehe! | 04:35 |
| Sho_ | Tonio_: noted | 04:35 |
| Hobbsee | okay, if people have stuff to add to kopete, can they please send debdiffs, etc, to me? | 04:35 |
| Hobbsee | seeing as 4 people working on the same thing is damned stupid! | 04:35 |
| imbrandon | lol | 04:35 |
| toma | Hobbsee: organising is great, but it would be great if the agenda was not filled in the two hours before a meeting | 04:35 |
| imbrandon | toma +1 | 04:36 |
| seaLne | maybe an excuse for using bzr for packages? | 04:36 |
| Hobbsee | toma: yeah, sorry about that. i had a "argh i want to get all this stuff fixed so i'm just going to write and write and write" | 04:36 |
| Hobbsee | seaLne: i dont know how to use bzr, but yeah | 04:36 |
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| Hobbsee | toma: mostly i'd stick it on the to-do list, and update it that way | 04:36 |
| Riddell | date and time of next meeting? | 04:36 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: bzr is easy to use ;) | 04:36 |
| allee | toma: at university doing work 2 hour before the deadline is what we call early :) | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: this time is great! i'm actually awake :D | 04:37 |
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| toma | allee: hehe. should we discuss allioth btw? | 04:37 |
| seaLne | but maybe not a holiday monday :) | 04:37 |
| Riddell | it's a holiday? | 04:37 |
| allee | toma: for Hobbsee ? | 04:37 |
| toma | allee: for * | 04:37 |
| seaLne | glasgow trades weekend also in france afaik | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | say what? | 04:38 |
| allee | toma: your turn. I'm horrible short of time | 04:38 |
| === Hobbsee knows close to nothing about alioth. | ||
| allee | Hobbsee: know svn? | 04:38 |
| toma | allee: /me too. next meeting | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | allee: only vaguely. tell me in #kubuntu-devel if you want | 04:38 |
| allee | Hobbsee: 'k | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | allee: or via email, whatever you like | 04:38 |
| Riddell | ohw about Monday 31st for next meeting | 04:38 |
| Riddell | we could swap betwene having them at 21:00 and 13:00 | 04:38 |
| toma | this timeslot is not working for me, btw. | 04:39 |
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| Riddell | is 13:00 troublesome for others too? | 04:39 |
| Riddell | presumably various europeans are using up their lunch breaks | 04:39 |
| toma | how about 15utc? | 04:39 |
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| imbrandon | 15 would be nicer | 04:39 |
| allee | Riddell: far fro ideal. I can never be sure to be able to participate, or get interrupted | 04:40 |
| imbrandon | but no real objection | 04:40 |
| === Hobbsee cant do 15UTC, but whatever others think. | ||
| Hobbsee | 1am start time, 3am possible bed. hmmm. | 04:40 |
| Hobbsee | 1400UTC doable? | 04:40 |
| toma | how about a shift to the weekend? | 04:40 |
| seaLne | weekends would be bad imho | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | if its' a problem, then go back to 2100 UTC - i just wont be able to make the meetings. | 04:41 |
| Riddell | weekends are risky, less pradictable to know if you're free | 04:41 |
| toma | Hobbsee: that is unaccepotable | 04:41 |
| imbrandon | what bout 2200 or 2300 ? | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: that just makes it worse, from my end. | 04:41 |
| toma | 23 utc? | 04:41 |
| seaLne | that would be the same problem but for europeans | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: i'm at uni during those times. | 04:41 |
| imbrandon | hrm | 04:42 |
| === Hobbsee has a simple solution. | ||
| seaLne | move to europe? | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | someone give me a job offer that includes moving to europe. | 04:42 |
| imbrandon | ok lets do this , every kcc member ( the council ) name a time when its good and we'll see who has what in common | 04:42 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, seaLne toma Riddell allee ? | 04:43 |
| Riddell | right, I'll contact everyone on the council and get good times off them and see if there's any overlap | 04:43 |
| === Hobbsee is working it out | ||
| === Hobbsee can do anything (usually, pending work) in the last 5-6 hours. | ||
| Riddell | we'll do that out of the meeting, I need my lunch now | 04:44 |
| Riddell | any other business? | 04:44 |
| Hobbsee | nope, dont think so. | 04:44 |
| Riddell | thanks everyone | 04:44 |
| Riddell | fingers crossed for Knot 1 | 04:44 |
| allee | :) | 04:44 |
| nixternal | and toes | 04:44 |
| seaLne | time to escape out into the sun :) | 04:44 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 04:44 |
| nixternal | seaLne: +1 | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I have a binch of things to discuss but I will prepare something for the next meeting since I shouldn't be there actually :) | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | s/binh/bunch | 04:45 |
| ogra | Riddell, make sure you have the seeds merged before building CDs ... so you dont get trapped by outdated kernel stuff like i did | 04:45 |
| Riddell | ogra: did that last night | 04:45 |
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| ogra | ah, fine | 04:45 |
| ogra | i didnt :/ | 04:45 |
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| GNAM | @schedule rome | 05:15 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Rome: Current meeting: Kubuntu | 17 Jul 21:30: Ubuntu Magazine | 18 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 21:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 05:15 |
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| nixternal | @schedule chicago | 09:09 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Chicago: 17 Jul 14:30: Ubuntu Magazine | 18 Jul 15:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 14:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 07:00: Edubuntu | 09:09 |
| nixternal | 20 minutes now...i shall return, shower time!!! | 09:09 |
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| nixternal | Ubuntu Magazine Meeting!!! | 09:30 |
| adamant1988 | yay | 09:30 |
| adamant1988 | exciting | 09:30 |
| nixternal | hrmm | 09:30 |
| adamant1988 | seems that everyone forgot | 09:32 |
| nixternal | Our next meeting is this coming Monday the 17th at 19:30 UTC time. | 09:33 |
| nixternal | that is the email there | 09:33 |
| nixternal | interesting | 09:33 |
| adamant1988 | indeed | 09:34 |
| adamant1988 | well, it's just you and me | 09:34 |
| adamant1988 | wanna play tag? | 09:34 |
| nixternal | not in here..this chan is logged for minutes | 09:34 |
| nixternal | bye | 09:34 |
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| sara_ | hello | 09:40 |
| sara_ | anyone here for the ubuntu magazine meeting | 09:41 |
| sara_ | I think there was a confution with the time | 09:44 |
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| sara_ | ok | 10:00 |
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| nixternal | heh, wasn't paying attention to time..is john going to make it? | 10:02 |
| sara_ | should I wait a little bit more | 10:02 |
| sara_ | I sure hope so, I received an e-mail form him earleir and he did not say anything about not beign here | 10:02 |
| sara_ | but I think that I might want to wait a couple more minutes | 10:02 |
| nixternal | it seems sara, that you and i are the only ones from any previous meetings still interested in the project...i know joey has been really busy in his personal life, so that is understandable | 10:02 |
| nixternal | waiting is fine..im gonna grab a drink and brb | 10:02 |
| sara_ | ok, I understand that people come and go as long as there is a couple of people that continue the work | 10:03 |
| nixternal | sara, when this meeting is adjourned, i will work on the minutes, as well as put them in the order of /MarketingTeam/Magazine/Meetings/ or the like | 10:04 |
| sara_ | ok | 10:04 |
| nixternal | is the mag under /Marketing, or does it have it's own directory? | 10:04 |
| sara_ | I think that it is unver is own | 10:04 |
| nixternal | ok..then i will put it under /UbuntuMagazine/Meetings/Minutes | 10:04 |
| sara_ | under | 10:04 |
| nixternal | i will get to work on the wiki stuff as well | 10:04 |
| sara_ | ok, enough wait, let start | 10:05 |
| sara_ | is nixternal the only one here for the meeting | 10:05 |
| nixternal | yes | 10:05 |
| nixternal | you just want to converse in the main channel? | 10:06 |
| sara_ | yeah lets do that | 10:06 |
| nixternal | ok..see you there | 10:06 |
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| sara_ | ig youa re here for the Ubuntu magazine wiki, pleas ejoin us at #ubuntu-marketing | 10:08 |
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| sara_ | Ubuntu magazine meeting at #ubuntu-marketing | 10:08 |
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| nixternal | alrighty..back in here then ;) | 10:16 |
| sara_ | ok so we are back | 10:16 |
| nixternal | hehe..we will get it | 10:17 |
| sara_ | sorry about the mess | 10:17 |
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| nixternal | well..also just in case there are others ideling, they might like to hear everything as well and maybe join in on the fun!!! | 10:17 |
| sara_ | so we move to the charter | 10:17 |
| j_baer_ | Ok ... I'm here! | 10:17 |
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| nixternal | doh | 10:18 |
| jenda | sorry :( | 10:18 |
| sara_ | ok so let move on to the charter | 10:18 |
| nixternal | jenda: membership baby ;))) | 10:18 |
| sara_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMagazineProjectCharter | 10:18 |
| j_baer_ | Ok, would you like some opening comments? | 10:18 |
| sara_ | please | 10:18 |
| j_baer_ | I know this charter business is a bit different from the norm. | 10:19 |
| j_baer_ | And if we were building a widget for Efty the current process is ok | 10:19 |
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| j_baer_ | But Marketing is different, our deliverables are different. | 10:20 |
| nixternal | j_baer_: edgy eft for clarification | 10:20 |
| j_baer_ | Thanks ... | 10:20 |
| j_baer_ | So the point of the charter is to describe as best as possible what this is all about. | 10:20 |
| sara_ | ok | 10:21 |
| j_baer_ | If there is a question down the road everyone needs to know how we got there .... | 10:21 |
| j_baer_ | ok ... | 10:21 |
| j_baer_ | One more thing ... | 10:22 |
| sara_ | yes | 10:22 |
| j_baer_ | The magazine in a very big way represents Ubuntu! | 10:22 |
| j_baer_ | What we do and how we do it will be very important .... | 10:22 |
| j_baer_ | All yours sara | 10:23 |
| sara_ | so could you explain a little bit mroe of how we take this charter and make it work | 10:23 |
| j_baer_ | I would suggest the next step is presenting it for approval. | 10:24 |
| j_baer_ | Canonical needs to buy in on this. | 10:24 |
| Burgwork | j_baer_, what you need from canonical and why? | 10:24 |
| nixternal | j_baer_: you might want to present it first to the Community Council..as that would be the "chain of command" so-to-speak | 10:24 |
| sara_ | that was the plan, but with our low attendace today we are probably going to take this to the mailing list | 10:24 |
| Burgwork | there is no need to get anybody to buy into anything, on an official level | 10:25 |
| Burgwork | at least not yet | 10:25 |
| Burgwork | just start producing good stuff | 10:25 |
| sara_ | I think tha tfor now we probably want to take it to the ubuntu-marketing team | 10:25 |
| j_baer_ | If Canonical has other marketing plans we need to blow to their desire ... | 10:25 |
| sara_ | I agre with Butgwork, first we produce something and then we ask for Coc | 10:26 |
| Burgwork | j_baer_, canonical != ubuntu | 10:26 |
| Burgwork | and canonical almost certainly has nothing like this | 10:26 |
| nixternal | as a matter of fact they don't | 10:26 |
| nixternal | Ubuntu is community driven in every aspect | 10:26 |
| sara_ | They are aware of the marketing team plans and fromt ime to time Jane pops up and gives feedback, so as soon as we have something I am sure we will get some feedback | 10:27 |
| j_baer_ | Ok point well made, but who will authorize the use of resources? | 10:27 |
| Burgwork | what resources? | 10:27 |
| j_baer_ | Servers, bandwidth ... | 10:27 |
| sara_ | Canonical provied the marketign team with hosting and servers | 10:27 |
| j_baer_ | Who would purchase the DNS? | 10:27 |
| Burgwork | what dns? | 10:27 |
| Burgwork | lets have something before we go to that stage | 10:28 |
| Burgwork | cart before the horst | 10:28 |
| Burgwork | s/horst/horse | 10:28 |
| Mithrandir | j_baer_: registering domains would not be a problem, I'm sure. | 10:28 |
| sara_ | ok I think tahtere might be some confussion. We have the resources like DNS, hosting ans stuff | 10:28 |
| sara_ | Canonical have already register spreadubuntu adn I am sure that they could do the same for us as long as we have a product | 10:29 |
| j_baer_ | How much of a product do we need? | 10:29 |
| sara_ | Evfen though we are not official part of them, They are more thatn willing to help us | 10:29 |
| Burgwork | please don't get hung up on being official | 10:29 |
| Burgwork | better to talk about content | 10:30 |
| sara_ | Last time I talke to Jenda it seems that we could probably get a bzr branch as soon as we were ready | 10:30 |
| sara_ | I am working on providing the resources, just give me a week or so, so don't worry about that | 10:30 |
| j_baer_ | What would bzr do for us? | 10:30 |
| sara_ | for now we could host WIPS as stated on your workflow and | 10:31 |
| sara_ | and the start of the magazine, once we have our first draft we could probably get our site hosted | 10:32 |
| sara_ | have you take a look at the bzr repo for spread ubuntu? | 10:32 |
| j_baer_ | Yes ... although I need some help learning ... | 10:33 |
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| j_baer_ | Unlike the WIKI I didn't see an area to practice. | 10:33 |
| sara_ | we could definetly do with something like that, but we ned stuff to put on it | 10:33 |
| sara_ | You can practicce if you want and then we can remove it if you want | 10:33 |
| j_baer_ | My thoughts are the WBS would go there ... | 10:34 |
| sara_ | WBS | 10:34 |
| sara_ | ? | 10:34 |
| j_baer_ | Tasks to be accomplished. | 10:34 |
| j_baer_ | For example we need to decide on a name for the magazine. | 10:34 |
| j_baer_ | Why not involve the community and offer a prize. | 10:35 |
| sara_ | That is point #3, anyone has any other comment on the charter other thatn the resources | 10:35 |
| j_baer_ | Sorry ... | 10:35 |
| Kamion | nixternal: sorry I'm a bit behind, but speaking as a community council member I'd say that if you want to get a position from Canonical about marketing you should talk to Jane Silber in the first instance rather than the CC | 10:35 |
| sara_ | it ok, I just want to make sure that Rich has a saying on this | 10:36 |
| j_baer_ | Point made. | 10:36 |
| sara_ | nixternal? | 10:36 |
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| nixternal | Kamion: thanks for the response!!! Jane is in our line of communications on the MarketingTeam Mailing List | 10:36 |
| nixternal | she helps the team out tremendously | 10:36 |
| j_baer_ | Would it be appropriate to ask for comments on the charter? | 10:37 |
| sara_ | so nixternal any though on the charter and the way it's organized, The milestones? | 10:37 |
| nixternal | j_baer_ and sara_, Jane is 'silbs' when she is online, and she is usually hanging out in the #ubuntu-marketing channel. She is a Canonical employee interested in everything we do | 10:37 |
| nixternal | jenda has more information concerning communications with her as well | 10:37 |
| Mithrandir | nixternal: she's not just an employee, she's the COO. | 10:37 |
| nixternal | heh ya, good point Mithrandir | 10:37 |
| sara_ | I know she has sent me some e-mails | 10:37 |
| nixternal | ok sara_, i kind of figured you knew who she was | 10:37 |
| nixternal | i like the current organization and the path that i see... | 10:38 |
| sara_ | I think we need to talk about specs | 10:38 |
| nixternal | milestones and everything is great...everyone just needs to come ot terms on what is needed "Right Now" so-to-speak | 10:38 |
| sara_ | I am going to make it so that the official way to submitt ideas and work on this project is going tob e troughLaunchpad | 10:39 |
| sara_ | I feel that some stuff have gotten lost on the mailing list, How mayn of you got my reviced TOC about threee wekks ago | 10:40 |
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| j_baer_ | Sara, Help me out with that idea ... | 10:40 |
| sara_ | well my posint is that I never got any replied and I am usre that to some people it was lost | 10:41 |
| nixternal | i have the gobby toc we created originally from june 10th | 10:41 |
| sara_ | no it was after that on an e-mail with the thing we had and where we should take it from there | 10:41 |
| sara_ | I think that the mailing list is not the most effective way to communictate | 10:42 |
| j_baer_ | Good point, sometimes things do get lost on the mailing list ... | 10:42 |
| nixternal | sara_: did you send the email? | 10:42 |
| sara_ | yeah I have it on my sent box, but the point is that we need a better way to communicate | 10:43 |
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| j_baer_ | Perhaps the WIKI can assist and serve as a white board of things happening? | 10:44 |
| nixternal | i do not have that email | 10:44 |
| nixternal | j_baer_: yes it can..and i will make sure to create a "white board" for us as well | 10:45 |
| j_baer_ | what else can we do? | 10:45 |
| sara_ | Yeah we need to have that plus we neeed to use Lauchpad.I thinkt aht the workflow should be like this. Ubuntu magazine wiki->Launchpad->Spec->Bzr version | 10:46 |
| sara_ | ok now that we all now how to submitt things we can move on | 10:46 |
| nixternal | well..the bzr is good if we are going to be utilizing version control for documentation...which i guess in all reality you probably would version control magazine content among the various editors and such | 10:47 |
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| sara_ | yeas that is exactly the point | 10:47 |
| j_baer_ | I was thing bzr more to list things in progress and due dates ... | 10:48 |
| nixternal | actually, im still new to the bzr, but what we do on other teams with svn, is we have the main doc, and we make changes locally, the svn diff out to a .xml.diff file..and then a maintainer uploads the patch | 10:48 |
| nixternal | bzr isn't like webhosting at all...bzr is a versioning control system | 10:48 |
| Riddell | nixternal: why not just commit yourself? | 10:49 |
| j_baer_ | Ok help me out ... When I go to launchpad and look at ubuntu I see all of the things going on with who, when, what and where. | 10:49 |
| sara_ | well, like with the charter, I mad e spec on Lauchpad, draft the spec, the you finish writtign the spec and use bzr to keeps trac of the diff version | 10:49 |
| j_baer_ | is this what we are talking about? | 10:49 |
| nixternal | i don't have the power yet Riddell ;) | 10:49 |
| nixternal | soon this young grasshopper will ;) | 10:50 |
| nixternal | j_baer_: the who/what/when/where you see is the "Specification" or spec for short | 10:50 |
| j_baer_ | Ok | 10:50 |
| nixternal | bzr is used to keep track of revisions in source code, documentation and such | 10:51 |
| j_baer_ | I see real value in the spec. | 10:51 |
| nixternal | specs are great, because you can take it from the brainstorming session, all the way to implementation | 10:51 |
| sara_ | ok, so I want to be use that system to keep thing in order | 10:52 |
| j_baer_ | Somehow we have to define what we are going to do and when. | 10:52 |
| sara_ | ok so that is next, I just want to make sure that we are in the same place and know the way we will do it | 10:53 |
| j_baer_ | Sara can u get us onboard with the spec? | 10:53 |
| nixternal | +1 on that idea whole-heartedly j_baer_ | 10:53 |
| sara_ | so I guess we can mov eon | 10:53 |
| sara_ | move on | 10:53 |
| sara_ | First, We need to pick and identity, name etc | 10:54 |
| j_baer_ | I have an idea ... | 10:54 |
| j_baer_ | Want to hear it? | 10:54 |
| sara_ | go ahead | 10:54 |
| j_baer_ | Open the name for suggestions via the forums. | 10:54 |
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| nixternal | name for??? i am lost on this one here | 10:56 |
| sara_ | The ubuntu forums? Name for the magazine | 10:56 |
| j_baer_ | Yes ... | 10:56 |
| nixternal | i thought it was "Ubuntu Magazine" | 10:56 |
| j_baer_ | Undecided ... | 10:56 |
| nixternal | ahh | 10:56 |
| j_baer_ | It could be ? | 10:56 |
| sara_ | I think this is too generic. I feel that we might alienated some users. i was talking to some poeple who never use ubuntu forums or stuff | 10:56 |
| nixternal | Ubuntu Magazine ;) | 10:56 |
| j_baer_ | I understand your concern ... | 10:56 |
| sara_ | They only use kubuntu.org , and the kubuntu forums , so naming it ubuntu magazine might not appeal to them | 10:56 |
| sara_ | Maybe we can have ubuntu and sometinh else | 10:57 |
| nixternal | i don't see how using "Ubuntu Magazine" would alienate..for one, the magazine would have definition far past that of the Ubuntu Linux Operating System..there is the "real" definition of Ubuntu that goes along with it...that means no matter how you are different (Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Xubuntu), it is all one *Ubuntu* | 10:57 |
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| nixternal | meaning* | 10:58 |
| j_baer_ | We all do! | 10:58 |
| sara_ | Maybe we can have something after the ubuntu, like john idea of Ubuntu abanta | 10:58 |
| nixternal | hahah thanks | 10:58 |
| sara_ | we all do | 10:59 |
| nixternal | que es eso? | 10:59 |
| j_baer_ | The word abanta means people in Zulu | 10:59 |
| nixternal | como se dice abanta ? | 10:59 |
| nixternal | ok..im just preparing for Cabo ;) | 10:59 |
| sara_ | no se | 10:59 |
| nixternal | lol | 10:59 |
| sara_ | I don't know | 10:59 |
| j_baer_ | lol | 10:59 |
| sara_ | but it sounds nice since it stand for people | 10:59 |
| nixternal | it means people..and since Ubuntu, according to Wikipedia has it roots there..it does make since and sounds good | 10:59 |
| j_baer_ | Ok, what about a logo? | 10:59 |
| nixternal | the Ubuntu logo | 11:00 |
| nixternal | ;) | 11:00 |
| nixternal | it is hard to push me to anything else, since we are in effect marketing "Ubuntu" | 11:00 |
| sara_ | First, I'll post a poll on Lauchapd with other names suggested and whoever wins get computer sticker | 11:00 |
| j_baer_ | Wait better yet !!!!!! | 11:00 |
| Burgwork | a magazine *might* have a use case for a new logo | 11:00 |
| nixternal | now, implementing something with the Ubuntu logo to identify it as a magazine..i can look past it ;) | 11:01 |
| j_baer_ | Ask Mark if he will sign a CD set for give away!!!! | 11:01 |
| nixternal | if he won't, i will ;) | 11:01 |
| sara_ | doload this file and open it on inkscape | 11:01 |
| sara_ | http://www.tikal26.net/ubuntu/ubuntumagazine.svg | 11:01 |
| sara_ | take a look at the line logo I think is definetly ubuntu, but more generic | 11:01 |
| j_baer_ | Point well taken, a new logo would help with Sara's concern. | 11:02 |
| j_baer_ | In addition and I know this is out of scope but there is the branding issue. | 11:02 |
| j_baer_ | Let's dream big and assume this pub will stand beside Red Hat Mag. | 11:03 |
| j_baer_ | Actually it will be better! | 11:03 |
| sara_ | exactly!! | 11:03 |
| Burgwork | not red hat magazine has no distinct logo | 11:04 |
| Burgwork | and rh magazine is mostly online | 11:04 |
| Burgwork | in fact, it appears to be entirely online | 11:04 |
| nixternal | it is | 11:04 |
| j_baer_ | True and the charters states we will be too ... | 11:04 |
| nixternal | but it will be published soon from what i have heard | 11:04 |
| Burgwork | https://www.redhat.com/apps/webform.html?event_type=simple_form&eid=299 | 11:05 |
| j_baer_ | One moment while I look .. | 11:05 |
| sara_ | yeah give me sec | 11:05 |
| sara_ | well, red hat does not has so many branches | 11:06 |
| nixternal | i ran acrossed a post somewhere about it becoming official as well | 11:06 |
| Burgwork | nixternal, which being official? | 11:06 |
| nixternal | being published i meant | 11:06 |
| j_baer_ | It easy to start on-line first ... | 11:07 |
| sara_ | i think that we talked about eventually having a printable pdf also | 11:07 |
| j_baer_ | Ok, what about the name? | 11:07 |
| sara_ | I will open a post on ubuntu forums, then make a poll and we actually have pices for the winner, it might encourage poepel to participate | 11:08 |
| j_baer_ | Who will decide? | 11:09 |
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| nixternal | you say potatoe, i say pototoe ;) | 11:10 |
| sara_ | I tohugh that Jenda, Me, and any active member of the magzine who did nopt submitt a name | 11:10 |
| sara_ | I do like the Ubuntu abanta though | 11:10 |
| nixternal | hehe | 11:10 |
| j_baer_ | Do u want to just go for it? | 11:11 |
| nixternal | i think others need to vote, but there is nothting wrong with it being "out favorite" ;) | 11:11 |
| nixternal | i can ask around if people like it, since i live here on irc | 11:11 |
| j_baer_ | It's that inclusion thing ... | 11:11 |
| nixternal | hehe exactly | 11:11 |
| sara_ | yeah, because I know that some poeple could not make it do to time zones | 11:12 |
| j_baer_ | Ok sara, are u going to handle this? | 11:12 |
| sara_ | yeah | 11:12 |
| j_baer_ | It's yours! | 11:12 |
| j_baer_ | Before we leave this do u want to ask for the CD's? | 11:13 |
| sara_ | ok so bedies a name and a logo what else makes a magazine's identity | 11:13 |
| j_baer_ | The CD's? | 11:13 |
| nixternal | the content and the community supporting it | 11:13 |
| nixternal | CD's would be great once it becomes published | 11:13 |
| j_baer_ | No as a prize ... | 11:14 |
| j_baer_ | U know the ones u will sign! | 11:14 |
| sara_ | uhh | 11:14 |
| nixternal | hehe | 11:14 |
| sara_ | haha, | 11:15 |
| nixternal | need to come up with teh contest ideas, and maybe submit them to someone and say "we would like to have sabdfl sign some cd's for the winner" | 11:15 |
| j_baer_ | Being serious again this kind of prize does not cost and will bring exposure to the effort. | 11:15 |
| nixternal | true | 11:15 |
| j_baer_ | I will ask if you would like? | 11:15 |
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| sara_ | I guess we could do that, I actually have extra DVD from amazon tha i give away so taht might be more atttractive | 11:16 |
| j_baer_ | Something signed has value beyound dollars ... | 11:16 |
| j_baer_ | Would u like to place this idea on the parking lot? | 11:17 |
| nixternal | you can ask for autographed stuff maybe through claire...i don't know how to go about it truthfully, but i could ask around | 11:17 |
| j_baer_ | I was thinking Jane | 11:17 |
| nixternal | ya, or jane ;) | 11:17 |
| sara_ | Yeah lets put in in the parking lot, becasue I don't know if this will work for our first contest | 11:17 |
| nixternal | but i know to contact sabdfl you go through claire | 11:18 |
| j_baer_ | ok, on the parking lot it goes let's move on ... | 11:18 |
| sara_ | I think for our first contest a DVD set and and sticerk should be fine | 11:18 |
| nixternal | invitations, proposals, and requests for sabdfl goes through claire | 11:18 |
| sara_ | I have a TOC for you commets wait a second until I foward it to you | 11:18 |
| nixternal | that is on the hbd page of his | 11:18 |
| j_baer_ | Sorry, is it coming here? | 11:20 |
| sara_ | ok sent the e-mail with it | 11:20 |
| j_baer_ | one moment ... | 11:20 |
| sara_ | to the marketing team mailing list I'll wrtite a spce latter | 11:21 |
| j_baer_ | ok ... | 11:22 |
| sara_ | you got it? | 11:22 |
| nixternal | not yet | 11:22 |
| j_baer_ | not yet ... | 11:22 |
| j_baer_ | I'm checking my gmail account {?} | 11:23 |
| sara_ | ok, so I just resend it, but I am not getting it either | 11:23 |
| j_baer_ | Do u want to move on? | 11:24 |
| sara_ | I fowarde from the old e-mail I ahd nixternal so if you have that e-mail you can probaly read it form there, I'll make sure to resend put one up on the wiki today | 11:25 |
| j_baer_ | ok | 11:25 |
| nixternal | roger that | 11:25 |
| sara_ | Ok we are actaully running out of time we have 5 more minutes | 11:25 |
| j_baer_ | Would u like to recap the next steps? | 11:26 |
| sara_ | so to sumarize we have gone trough milestoen 1, need aproval from 2, and stareted on 3, and 4 | 11:26 |
| j_baer_ | U will handle the Mag Name ... | 11:27 |
| sara_ | I will take care o f the resource spart and I think that I am going to swith 5 and 7and 8. We will Indetify content of the firs issue and then establis publication proces and then initiate lauch campain | 11:28 |
| j_baer_ | How will we report progress? | 11:28 |
| sara_ | yeah, I will dela with the magazine name poll, and start writign more specs | 11:28 |
| sara_ | In Lauchpad, This way I will assign specs and they will move from draft to finalized | 11:29 |
| j_baer_ | Ok, I have an account but I was not able to changed anything. | 11:29 |
| sara_ | So , give me a few hours and I;ll take care of that. I will also wrtie more specs to cove that name and lofo things | 11:30 |
| sara_ | nixternal please contact me with any help you need for the wiki | 11:30 |
| nixternal | will do | 11:30 |
| j_baer_ | Same here ... | 11:30 |
| sara_ | I'll wrtie on the charter wiki to chage somthign around concerning the milestones and then after revistion will submitted to the marketing team | 11:31 |
| sara_ | ok any thing else | 11:31 |
| j_baer_ | sounds good to me ... | 11:32 |
| sara_ | ok, thanks for you kind work and let move on. I hope that with the minute we can get otehr involve | 11:32 |
| nixternal | got the email ;) | 11:32 |
| sara_ | talk to you later, please make commetns on the TOC. | 11:32 |
| nixternal | will do | 11:32 |
| j_baer_ | Thank you Sara for your efforts, :) | 11:33 |
| sara_ | :) | 11:33 |
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| nixternal | thanks eveyrone | 11:33 |
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