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#ubuntu-meeting === Tonio_ [n=tonio@smtp.osires.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:55] hey [02:56] <[Nirvana] > hello [02:56] hiya Tonio_ [02:56] heya nixternal === omeow [n=omega@co63471-a.olden1.ov.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:57] <[Nirvana] > nixternal: btw: thanks to your /leave msg, I know about #ubuntu-classroom, and I'm going to refer people, I'd just like to say thanks === gnomefreak [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:58] heh [Nirvana] , i appreciate the support on that one. i just did a brief marketing campaign for those guys, and it seemed to work pretty well..we are getting more and more responses each day now === kwwii [n=kwwii@194.121.21.240] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:00] hiya kwwii [03:00] hey kwwii === toma [n=toma@toma.kovoks.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:01] hi all [03:01] hi guys [03:01] moins all === rraphink is at work but will try to be there ;) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:02] okay...hi everyone === mindspin [n=mindspin@pD95FFC23.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:02] hi all [03:02] hi Riddell [03:02] hi [03:02] hi Hobbsee [03:02] hey Riddell [03:02] hi rraphink, Riddell, gnomefreak, imbrandon [03:02] hi everybody [03:02] hi Hobbsee ;) [03:03] lets start with names so we know who's here [03:03] hi mikix === Riddell is Jonathan Riddell === Hobbsee is Sarah Hobbs === rraphink is Raphael Pinson === seaLne is Kenny Duffus === gnomefreak John Vivirito === nixternal is Rich Johnson === OculusAquilae is Bastian Holst === mindspin is markus wimmer === imbrandon is Brandon Holtsclaw === Tonio_ is Anthony Mercatante === kwwii is Kenneth Wimer [03:04] good turnout :) === allee is Achim Bohnet [03:04] anyone here for membership? [03:04] hmm, no toma. I jabber him [03:04] Riddell: very, yeah. i'd liked to have seen lure and jjesse too... [03:05] Riddell, looks like [03:05] # [03:05] we have quorum, good. [03:05] RichJohnson aka nixternal [03:05] Riddell: nixternal's a special case - the first two people on the CC ack'd him, and they were waiting on mako...and waiting...and waiting.. [03:05] anyone know Andrej, Jay M. Mapalo, Rafael Proena, or rouzic? [03:06] ah right [03:06] Riddell: many of them have no wiki page [03:06] heh, sorry, was getting coffee... Hobbsee, i'm always a special case [03:06] Riddell: nope [03:06] hehe [03:06] Riddell, not i [03:06] Riddell: no [03:06] me neither [03:06] I should probably e-mail them and ask why they signed up, they could well be involved with something we're not in contact with like translations [03:06] we should do nixternal then [03:07] translations you can see on LP [03:07] nixternal: care to introduce yourself? [03:07] heh, ok...here we go!!! [03:07] Riddell: yeah, then lets to artwork, and doco if jjesse makes it, then discuss anythign else === nixternal is Rich Johnson, 32 years old, Chicago Illinois, US....Sys Admin by trade [03:07] nixternal: please tell me your intro has been shortened.... [03:08] hehe [03:08] i work with the doc team, wiki team, marketing team...do bug triage, support stuff, forums, irc, bug you guys...and just had my first packaged uploaded this week [03:08] short enough Hobbsee? [03:08] [03:08] nixternal: launchpad page link :P [03:08] wiki page ? [03:08] you caught me offguard, so i didn't get to c/p my other one [03:08] nixternal: you're doing the switching from windows doc right? [03:08] https://launchpad.net/people/nixternal [03:08] yes Riddell [03:08] nixternal: how's that going? [03:09] it is just starting right now...we have the base down, and now we are in the process of gathering content [03:09] I'm looking forward to it [03:09] there could very well end up being various versions as the community excitement is quite high for the documentation [03:09] as i am [03:10] nixternal: how are you related to Kubuntu in particular? [03:10] (I mean vs. Ubuntu in general) [03:10] with the new user config tool, mentioned in your wiki page, may i mention that the way amarok handles mp3 support is *very* clever. right now, it's broken, but i have a fix that i'm going to test soon on my hard drive. [03:10] i support mainly kubuntu since all i have really used is kde for years...i am helping jjesse with all of the kubuntu documentation [03:10] ok [03:11] i am picking up the packaging aspect with the help of Hobbsee and imbrandon === imbrandon notes for everyone nixternal is the founder of the Chicago LoCo team and active in the Bug Squad / Laptop Testing / Documentation and IRC [03:11] im gettin' ready to go back to school to knock the programming rust off, since i decided to change fields about 10 years ago and quit programming [03:11] and marketing === Hobbsee looks. specs are *way* too high for karma! [03:11] and he is one of the few kubuntu guys in the marketing team [03:12] oooh..gnomefreak, if jenda seen i introduced myself and didn't say i was part of the marketing team i would never hear the end of it thanks [03:12] we have a marketing team? cool [03:12] ya Riddell [03:12] :) [03:12] yw nixternal [03:12] vote++ [03:12] sounds very nice [03:12] did knew this ! sounds nice [03:12] yep ;) [03:12] anyone that worked directly with nixternal? comments? [03:12] plus the classroom [03:12] hes alsoa big part of NuN [03:12] nixternal: is the classroom related to the MOTU school anyhow? [03:12] in the forums helping out...both ubuntu and kubuntu of course [03:13] <[Nirvana] > He's a member of Kubuntuforums.net, good guy [03:13] no rraphink..it is the NewUserNetwork [03:13] allee, i work with him alot, he is very active on irc helping and learing packaing [03:13] <[Nirvana] > and a damn fast typer... jeez [03:13] heh [03:13] i think hes doing great in every team he is a part in [03:13] 150+ wpm [03:13] :) [03:13] allee: yeah, i've worked with him, sometimes poking him to do various bits of documentation, and helping him out with packaging [03:13] and chasing with the big pointy stick [03:13] so lets vote [03:14] Hobbsee: don't steal too much time from him documentation writing time ;) [03:14] ack [03:14] nixternal: well... [03:14] +1 [03:14] toma: want to go first? :) [03:14] +1 [03:14] Tonio_: lol [03:14] raphink: ^^ I promissed to do it one day :) [03:14] Tonio_: hehe :) [03:14] +1 from me [03:14] +1 for me based on jjesse feedback, since I discussed a lot with him concerning the docs a few weeks ago [03:14] welcome to kubuntu membership nixternal [03:14] +1 === allee +1 for nixternal. [03:15] ty very much guys!!!! you all rock!!!! [03:15] nixternal: welcome aboard [03:15] congrats nixternal ;) [03:15] thank you!!! [03:15] congrats nixternal [03:15] welcome nixternal :) === nixternal feels special!!! [03:15] <[Nirvana] > congrats [03:15] lol [03:15] nixternal: I'll do the tick box thing after the meeting, poke me if I forget [03:15] well that was an easy choice [03:15] :) === kdw [n=kdw@c-67-164-4-24.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:15] get to work nixternal :-) [03:15] hehe [03:15] gahah [03:15] will do [03:15] kwwii: haha [03:15] congrats nixternal [03:15] kwwii: artwork status update? [03:15] Hobbsee suggested we go with an artwork update [03:15] after the meeting of course [03:15] seeing as you've just said that? [03:15] thank you everyone [03:15] ok, really quickly: === omeow wonders if someone ever got rejected. [03:15] omeow: yes [03:15] kwwii: i like the current usplash :P [03:15] until now we have specs which say that we are replacing the usplash, KDM, Desktop splash and Wallpaper. [03:15] omeow, yes [03:15] omeow: yeah, last meeting, actually === Mithrandir [n=tfheen@c5100BC63.inet.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:16] yes omeow, tis why i waited a while [03:16] hi Mithrandir [03:16] I think we should also think about changing the app-start page for konqi as well as the help center. [03:16] Hobbsee: I think the current usplash is not kwwii's [03:16] ah [03:16] hi again, Hobbsee [03:16] whoever's it is === j_ack [n=nico@p508DA2C3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:16] Hobbsee: no, it is mine [03:16] ah :) [03:16] kwwii: like my wallpaper ? :)= === Hobbsee only installed edgy today - give her a break! [03:16] kwwii: my slight concern with that is we'd be diverging from the KDE stuff a bit [03:16] ahhh, actually I haven't checked edgy yet === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:17] Riddell: so let's change the KDE stuff too [03:17] and the default window deco , crystal is ugly imo ;) [03:17] kwwii: also the app-start page for konqi should in theory be mirrored in kontact, kmail, kcontrol, akgregator and kbabel [03:17] imbrandon: good point, I have an update for that too [03:17] Riddell: yepp, I know [03:17] imbrandon: what's ugly is up to the artits to decide ;) [03:17] we would need to do them all [03:17] allee, yea ;) [03:17] that is why I am asking here instead of just barging ahead as normal [03:18] imbrandon: and we tell them if it's usable and acceptable ;) [03:18] imbrandon: i didnt think crystal was the current window deco, was it? i thought that was polyester [03:18] so what does everyone think about that? [03:18] Riddell, whats wrong with diverging form kde as far as artwork ( k-d-s ) ? === Hobbsee grabs a drink, and tries to make sense of all this. [03:18] Hobbsee, not in edgy [03:18] leaste not yet === kozz [i=kozz@213.66.184.18] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:19] kwwii: consistent artwork is good to have [03:19] imbrandon: I've always positioned kubuntu a being close to KDE from an artwork view [03:19] but if kwwii can come up with some rocking design then lets do it [03:19] allee, consistant with whom though, if we are taketing switchovers from windows or kde ? [03:19] kwwii: but IMHO comon icons/themes first, then app specific stuff === gnomefreak likes the wallpaper (simple and nice) in edgy kubuntu [03:19] http://bootsplash.org/snapshot3.png shows my desktop with the changes I have made so far [03:20] I will still update the buttons [03:20] imbrandon: consistent as 'used in Kubuntu' [03:20] heh, and it's purple [03:20] kwwii: would you be talking a colour change, etc, or changing the way the buttons are located? [03:20] allee, ahh yes [03:20] kwwii: which buttons [03:20] kwwii: pretty :) [03:20] ? [03:20] allee, i agree totaly but i do think the artwork for kubutu shouldent be a clone of every other kde setup out there , i'm not saying the FUNCTION just the artwork [03:20] kwwii: brown folder icons? [03:21] I think we're onto a winner with the purple [03:21] Hobbsee: check that screenshot and you'll see that I changed the gradients used in the titlebar, the colors, and the window buttons in the titlebar need new pixmaps, as those do not fit [03:21] :) [03:21] Riddell, the min max close [03:21] <[Nirvana] > kubuntu edgy is purple? === nixternal admits that is a 'nice' shade of purple kwwii [03:21] imbrandon: exactly [03:21] kwwii: right, okay [03:21] [Nirvana] : yes [03:21] kwwii: i'm not great on artwork stuff :) [03:21] :-) [03:21] I'm not a fan of purple, but that's probably interesting since this color isn't widely used [03:22] Tonio_: next time suggest pink, mmm kay? [03:22] :P [03:22] just on gentoo [03:22] and since it is kwwii, I'm of course self confident is the result === jeekl [n=crz@h169n1c1o1104.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:22] the good thing is, if I do it right, we could change the purple to blue pretty quickly if things don't work out well [03:22] nixternal: at least it is more original than blue.... [03:22] ;) [03:22] the brown folders look stragnge to me [03:22] oh i totally agree [03:22] while were ont her topic is there any way to intergrate a "themes changer" so new users can do it without compiling themes? [03:22] i actually like it...i said as long as it wasn't 'barney purple' [03:22] <[Nirvana] > kinda reminds me of the kubuntu amsn theme [03:22] kwwii: my personal opinion: assuming we're discussing colours, etc, i'm fine with it changing to be whatever - but we probably shouldnt change from the kde defaults, unless we have a good reason to [03:22] yea the brown does look a bit strange against the purple [03:23] Hobbsee: I totally agree [03:23] gnomefreak: it's there, in system settings. but system settings is a confusing mess. [03:23] ah ok [03:23] Is the kicker going to stay that size by default too? [03:23] kwwii: cool :) in fact, in one of my points i'm wanting to revert a couple of changes [03:23] Tonio_: that purple is not used often may have a reason that is not originality [03:23] the brown icons are just a test I did when I made that screenshot [03:23] omeow: no [03:23] Ok, good. :) [03:23] Hobbsee: like what? [03:23] Hobbsee, we have a good reason , we;re not kde ;) i do think the artwork for kubutu shouldent be a clone of every other kde setup out there , i'm not saying the FUNCTION just the artwork [03:24] kwwii: the change to konq that i want to make? [03:24] imbrandon: yeah, exactly [03:24] <[Nirvana] > um, this may sound silly, but why is the default k menu the K instead of the kubuntu logo? [03:24] Hobbsee: if we change the kde stuff as well, and simply use a few different pics for kubuntu that is pretty much the same [03:25] kwwii: cool :) [03:25] I don't like the switch user, lock session and log out buttons. [03:25] [Nirvana] : because we don't want to hide our KDE-ness [03:25] [Nirvana] , becosue kwwii hasent designed us a uber leet kubuntu button ;) [03:25] imbrandon: we should take the best from KDE and not preplace it just because we want to be different [03:25] The ones in dapper are nice because they each have a different colour. Making it easy to distinguish. [03:25] <[Nirvana] > I saw one around [03:25] <[Nirvana] > easyubuntu used to be able to change it to the kubuntu logo === nixternal wants to see the 'reinhardt' style come back [03:25] we could make a crystal kubuntu logo for use there if there is interest === Hobbsee reads back to see what kwwii is actually wanting approval over - to play with colours and see what looks good, right? [03:26] imbrandon: and if something is not that good, we should try better and give back so next time it's in KDE [03:26] allee, right, but look at ubuntu branding , they have the logo on the application menu etc i think we should do some of the same [03:26] kwwii: nice, some icons like osx's :) [03:26] oh, and the spinner in konqueror should be improved [03:26] Hobbsee: it was the new about:konq and help centre graphics [03:26] freeflying: that is the oxygen set we are working on [03:26] I agree with omeow concerning the switch user etc. buttons [03:27] kwwii: that's rendered from a 3d model, I'd need to dig up the guy who did it [03:27] Riddell: right, that's what i thought. we've just gone veering off somehow. [03:27] colours would be nice [03:27] +1 mindspin [03:27] Hobbsee: that happens with artwork [03:27] Riddell: hehe, true. [03:27] ;) [03:28] well, the dapper release was kinda quick, as I started during the UI sprint === Hobbsee just learned a new way to get back to the first konq screen. nice! [03:29] kwwii: so looking good, new about:konq and help centre should be good too [03:29] shall we move on? [03:29] yup [03:29] yepp [03:29] no jjesse, tsk [03:29] +1 to moving on [03:29] Riddell: yeah, he was trying to make it === allee agrees with Hobbsee [03:29] we should go to the agenda then http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings [03:29] [Nirvana] : you're first [03:29] Riddell: who's chairing? i added a lot to the agenda :P [03:30] <[Nirvana] > whoops sorry [03:30] [Nirvana] , your css stuff [03:30] <[Nirvana] > trying [03:30] <[Nirvana] > msgs aren't being sent [03:30] we can read you here, please introduce it [03:30] <[Nirvana] > So yeah, I made like 3-4 css changes to the kubuntu page [03:31] [Nirvana] : which one? [03:31] [Nirvana] : link to it? [03:31] is there a working version of http://halovids.buildyourforum.com/x/test.html somewhere? [03:31] the pastebin link is dead too. [03:31] while we're waiting for [Nirvana] i think what he is talking aobut can be filed against website-bugs and have the website team change the template if Riddell or whome ever agrees [03:31] <[Nirvana] > change buildyourforum to globalnetworld [03:31] <[Nirvana] > could be ^ [03:32] <[Nirvana] > it's a cross, because it's about kubuntu and should use kubuntu colours, but is about the release (http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/6.06/ ) page [03:32] yep [03:32] http://halovids.globalnetworld.com/x/test.html [03:32] [Nirvana] : the icons needs crystalised :) [03:32] <[Nirvana] > I didn't change any icons [03:32] imbrandon: this isn't the website, it's managed quite differently [03:33] <[Nirvana] > just css [03:33] crystal or oxygen ;) [03:33] Riddell: i can make a brief statement about kubuntu docs, however i don't know how detailed jjesse was planning [03:33] Kamion: how easy is it to have different CSS and icons for the Kubuntu pages on cdimage? [03:34] that page is quite badly laid out for new users - probably needs a section on what .manifest and .torrent, etc, are [03:34] Riddell, releases no cdimage right ? cdimage is old i think [03:34] but anyway, that's not a kubuntu issue [03:34] imbrandon: cdimage is daily, releases is final things, they both come from the same teamplates [03:34] ahh [03:35] [Nirvana] : I've no idea how easy this is, I'll talk to Kamion when he's around and find out, if it's not hard I'll make the changes [03:35] <[Nirvana] > what I did was go to the release page (where you download the iso) and saved it with firefox, then open uo nvu and change some css, I didn't touch any text/icons or anything [03:35] <[Nirvana] > the added css is in the source underneath the @imports [03:36] guess we should use our own icons for that page too, or? [03:36] kwwii: ideally yes [03:36] but it's not the most important thing in the world, I'll only do it if it's easy [03:36] [Nirvana] : the "comment" on your next agenda item is this? Burning a VCD from AVI files is even trickier. In very broad strokes, youll need to install K3b, a CD burning program, and a package called VCDimager, and tell K3b where its located. Youll also need a command-line program called FFmpeg to convert AVI files to MPG, which is the format that K3b uses. Sounds complicated? It is, but its doable. [03:36] then let's dig those up from crystal, if it is technically possible [03:36] [Nirvana] : would be good if you'd listed which bit you wanted to talk about in the agenda, FYI [03:38] Riddell: not particularly hard, file a bug on /products/ubuntu-cdimage with what you want changed [03:38] Kamion: ok, cool [03:38] Riddell: would prefer not massively different CSS === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:38] at the moment I just use that from the Ubuntu website; if I can just use that from the Kubuntu website, that's cool [03:38] [Nirvana] : as you're an CSS expert. Check kubuntu wiki css why the fonts are different from default font size used in kubuntu [03:39] don't want to get into maintaining different CSS locally though === Nirvana [n=marco@CPE0080c8292db5-CM000f9f5158ce.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:39] Hobbsee: ditto for you, bugs welcome [03:40] Kamion: hehe. just watch me assign the entire archive to you :P [03:40] lol [03:40] welcome back Nirvana, you have another agenda idem [03:40] weird lagged out... [03:40] I can reject just as quickly as anyone else :P [03:40] note weird, but typical [03:40] ahh [03:40] s/note/not [03:40] [03:40] OK, [03:40] Nirvana: Kamion says it should be possible to get a different stylesheet used for those kubuntu pages so that should be doable [03:41] comment: "As an addendum, I tried sharing the printer using Samba, but this task is really more difficult than it should be. Nobody should have to edit configuration files or to scour the mailing lists simply to share a printer on the network." [03:41] as long as it's maintained somewhere other than cdimage === Sho_ [i=ehs1@konversation/developer/hein] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:41] hi Sho_! [03:41] moin [03:41] Sho_: welcome to the kubuntu meeting :) [03:41] Nirvana: we have a spec to turn on easy printer sharing, I don't know what's required to get that working with samba [03:42] ahh, so deferred? or should I continue with what he said? [03:42] moins Sho_ , Kamion like on kubuntu.org or some such and just linked from the html is cdimage ? sounds like a good plan [03:42] Nirvana: does he say what needs done? [03:42] kinda [03:42] comment: I did try a number of solutions, but so far, no luck. This REALLY should be a matter of right-clicking the printer and opening up a share menu. Unfortunately, this is one of those areas that still needs improvement in making this distro even more user-friendly. Jerome, maybe this is something you can get intoa simple GUI method of sharing a printer on an Ubuntu machine? [03:43] I've changed the CSS on http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dapper/ to be http://www.kubuntu.org/ubuntu.css; does that look better now? (you might have to reload a few times to catch a mirror that's updated) [03:43] obviously the icons still need to be done [03:43] beautiful [03:43] except === GNAM [n=GNAM@host199-235.pool8252.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === digitalmouse [n=jimm@p5481E19E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:44] the cd downloads don't have a border bottom of 100% that's blue, they're just links [03:44] greetings programs! just here to listen in on the next meeting... (loggin in case I need to step out) [03:44] Kamion: still looks brown to me [03:44] logging* [03:44] Riddell: keep reloading [03:44] wait... it just turned brown when I refreshed [03:44] oh, it'll need to sync to all the servers of course [03:44] yeah it is working [03:45] Nirvana: the download list is just apache's fancy directory listing, I can't easily change that [03:45] I figured [03:45] but I didn't mean that [03:46] you ment the Desktop CD and Alternate install CD section headers? [03:46] hmm, it's missing some underlines on the headers [03:46] oh, that's CSS for

, feel free to change the CSS on the website or provide me a URL on kubuntu.org with CSS that fixes that [03:46] Kamion: ok, will do [03:47] Nirvana: not much I can do about smb printer sharing frontends without knowing what needs done to the backend, if you could research that it would be cool [03:48] h3 dosen't have border-bottom: 2px solid #6e8ec1; [03:48] seaLne: yeah, it looked bad on kubuntu.org [03:48] imbrandon: firefox themes [03:48] ok this is all pertaining to edgy [03:48] Suggest creating firefox-kubuntu ( theme ) package to complement the new firefox-ubuntu ( theme ) dep so Kubuntu users who choose firefox don't have to deal with the brown theme ( can this not be a dep of u-d-s and not firefox so k-d-s can add a dep of firefox-kubuntu for the artwork/theme or even add it right to k-d-s ) [03:48] I've not looked at the new stuff in ubuntu for this, I've no idea how easy it is to adapt === Hobbsee thinks imbrandon should make it. === nixternal too [03:49] imbrandon: there's a couple of links made on the...oh, where is it... [03:49] imbrandon: we can probably get firefox to depend on one or the other I'm not sure [03:49] well my main this is why did they dep it on firefox and not uds , like when i installed edgy yesterday my ff is/was all browish ;) [03:49] ogra: what happened in eadubuntu with respect to ubuntu-firefox? [03:50] maybe if it is left brown they will use konq :) [03:50] lol seaLne === Hobbsee shoots that wiki.kubuntu.org errror. [03:50] hehe Hobbsee [03:50] Riddell, with regard to what ? the startpage? === Nrvana [n=marco@CPE0080c8292db5-CM000f9f5158ce.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:50] ogra: the new themeing stuff [03:50] wiki.ubuntu.com does the same thing w/o the error [03:50] imbrandon: there's a couple of links made on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates/Kubuntu with respect to that, no idea how easy it is to implement [03:50] OK, lag out #2 [03:50] ogra: I thought I saw you saying it looked bad in edubuntu [03:50] nothing yet, i'm not happy about it [03:51] Hobbsee, i know it is, but partialy itss a case of getting ubuntu-dev to dep firefox-ubuntu on uds not firefox its self [03:51] we'll either have to ship our own theme or switch to epiphany ... [03:51] the latter is very likely sonce we need it for kiosk mode anyway [03:51] ogra: ooh, i have a screensaver bug to assign to you. === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p5495771B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:51] ogra: https://launchpad.net/bugs/49228 [03:51] Malone bug 49228 in kdeartwork "kscreensaver-xsavers installed but screensavers from xscreensaver-gl missing" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] [03:51] can someone kick [Nirvana] [03:52] Hobbsee, go ahead :) [03:52] erm, my client died [03:52] sorry [03:52] kwwii_: ghost it. /msg nickserv ghost kwwii yourpassword [03:52] imbrandon: I imagine it's just a case of making a kubuntu-firefox package and having firefox depend on ubuntu-firefox | kubuntu-firefox [03:52] Nrvana: same thing [03:52] but I'm not sure without looking at it [03:52] Riddell, see what i'm saying about the deps, if it deped on uds it wouldent be an issue at all for kubuntu [03:53] Riddell, true ( and the creation of kubuntu-firefox ) [03:53] imbrandon: we cant really have a kubuntu-firefox as a dep of kubuntu-desktop, for the same reason as kscreensaver-xsavers as part of k0d [03:53] except wouldn't you get it without having ff? [03:53] imbrandon: actually firefox-themes-ubuntu seemas to have multiple themes, maybe we could just put a crystal theme in there [03:53] seaLne: exactly [03:54] Hobbsee: and what does that do exactly? [03:54] Riddell, probbly and make it default to that on kubuntu [03:54] kwwii_: ghosts your deaded client, and lets you /nick kwwii :) [03:54] imbrandon: yep [03:54] Can you make firefox/thunderbird stop using the gnome user interface convention? === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:54] omeow, sorta [03:55] Hobbsee: well, that does not seem to work either, but anyway...for another place this conversation is [03:55] imbrandon: could you look at doing that? [03:55] Riddell, sure i would love to ;) [03:55] FILEPICKER_CONTRACTID [03:55] rocking [03:55] imbrandon: you have another agenda item [03:55] and then it's my entire section :P [03:55] riefly ask Riddell to explain what packages Kubuntu wants tested for backporting and if there is a list/wikipage with them listed and what the current status of backports are -- imbrandon 2006-07-17 00:31:37 [03:55] heh [03:55] One of the bigger problems with FF and TB is the button order in dialog boxes [03:55] s/^/B/g [03:56] But considering they use "KDE button order" on Windows, too, I assume there's a way to get it to use it on Linux, too [03:56] Sho_, yea i know how to fix that i'll see if i can incorp it into ubuntu-firefox-themes [03:56] imbrandon: kaffine has been tested, dbus needs to be done, anything else you can think of too [03:56] imbrandon: That would be nice === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [03:57] imbrandon: with infinity back we might even get the backports processed at some point [03:57] imbrandon: did you see what crimsun said earlier w.r.t. backports in #kubuntu-devel? [03:57] Hobbsee: nope [03:57] Hobbsee, no [03:57] what did he say? [03:58]