[12:07] there should be no such thing as an accidental upload [12:07] are you refering to REVU? [12:08] er... Merges are uploaded to Revu as well, no? [12:08] maybe? [12:08] I dont get involved in revu [12:08] my packages are peer reviewed by ubuntu-mono and I am in coredev [12:08] I see. [12:09] don't really know any of the best practices with REVU these days [12:09] if someone else told you to do it, fine [12:09] it doesnt hurt anything [12:09] I'll check the wiki for instructions. [12:15] tseng: But in the case where MoM has done the right thing, you'd just leave the changelog entry with the MoM signature? [12:27] tseng: got the debdiff to work right, rebuilt both locally and then debdiff'd my changes. [12:28] what do I do with it [12:30] debian appears to be in some sort of "dep: debconf -> dep: debconf | debconf-2.0" transition.. How do we handle that? [12:31] you take whatever Debian has [12:31] always prefer Debian's control and merge back only what is necessary for Ubuntu [12:32] So it's ok to refer to debconf-2.0 even though no such thing exists in our archives? [12:32] we use debconf [12:32] so the debconf | debconf-2.0 is satisfied [12:32] that's true. [12:32] Ok, I'll leave it like that. === bluefoxicy just attaches it to the bug. === iCandy [n=tritium@71-210-240-149.albq.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:35] Before I do anything wrong here... When I'm done merging something, what do I do? Upload it to REVU? [12:37] you can if you wish, or you can ping a MOTU [12:37] as long as the merged source package is publicly available [12:37] I see. [12:38] I just need to build it to be sure. === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:43] I'm getting a new build server tomorrow. I can hardly wait! :-) [12:52] tritium!!!! [12:52] Hi LaserJock :) === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu stabs whoever thought that Shift+Backspace should kill Xgl. [12:56] tritium: how have you been? [12:56] LaserJock: not bad. You? How is school? [12:57] tritium: what school? [12:57] haha [12:57] ha ha [12:57] it's going ok, research is starting to pick up [12:57] I've got a summer undergrad researcher working for me [12:58] Cool. [12:58] and I've convinced the other group I'm depending on to make me molecules that I can use [12:59] o.o molecules? [12:59] Like, with styrofoam balls and toothpicks? [01:00] :) [01:00] well, real ones but yeah [01:00] he's a physical chemist, so yes. [01:00] I'm a chemist [01:00] real ones? [01:00] like with balls of positively charged energy and nuclear forces? [01:00] real molecules, I tend to not do research on styrofoam balls ;-) [01:01] journal reviewers aren't as crazy when we do styrofoam research ;-) [01:01] crazy about our papers that is [01:02] so is this for master's thesis or phd? [01:02] PhD [01:02] ah [01:02] never got around to the Masters ;-) [01:02] I want a phd but i don't have quite enough peripheral information. [01:03] I wanted to do a paper on computer security, submit it for review, get a mentor, do some research, and then write a new paper and go for the Ph.D. before starting my BS [01:03] I've almost got my AAS of CompSci [01:03] the problem is every time I get anywhere on my security papers I reach this critical point where the paper is all fluff [01:04] I start with a bunch of stuff I can put together and say "60-80% of the problems we see can go away... we can do better debugging..." etc for a more secure system [01:04] and as I'm fleshing it out I am still learning [01:04] I get about 50% more information about what I'm doing, and try to incorporate it, and the paper is full of excess unorganized crap. === Hotwheelz [n=Hotwheel@220-253-24-55.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal , imitating imbrandon, politely points to #ubuntu-offtopic with a smirk and a chuckle [01:05] Heheheh === Fujitsu agrees with nixternal. [01:06] [01:06] ? [01:06] hahahah [01:07] crimsun: will any vmware-server packages make it into ubuntu, now that it's free? === highvolt1ge [n=jono@41.208.206.84] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:13] tritium: btw, the current state of MOTU Science in edgy: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/all.html [01:14] LaserJock: hmm, thanks... [01:14] Wow, big list! [01:14] only 46 left to merge/sync [01:14] :-) === Fujitsu shrunk the universe merge list by a whole 2 packages yesterday... How amazing. Not. === nexu [n=nexu@a80-126-56-145.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:16] Yay for the science team. === Fujitsu applauds them. === tritium is intrigued by the texlive packages... [01:17] wow, octave 2.9! [01:17] yeah, texlive hit Debian not long ago [01:17] What's TeXlive? [01:17] it's a TeX distribution === pschulz01 [n=paul@eth6067.sa.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:17] I guessed that. [01:17] It's sort of the defacto standard TeX distro [01:18] e.g., most books you buy come with a TeXLive CD, etc. [01:18] right === Hotwheelz [n=Hotwheel@220-253-24-55.VIC.netspace.net.au] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:19] In some sense, it's more platform-independent than, say, tetex. texlive runs on Windows too... [01:20] Aha. [01:21] ok guys, I've gotta run. Nice to see you tritium [01:21] Good to see you too, LaserJock [01:21] Bye, LaserJock. === chipmonk010 [n=chris@c-69-142-27-27.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob [i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === quidam- [n=quidam@200.84.182.130] has joined #ubuntu-motu === anibal [i=ams@ns1.mssinc.biz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:12] tseng: besides the obvious does "shit" mean something as a verb? [02:12] bluefoxicy: uh. [02:12] particularly in the context of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityEdgyIdeas/apt [02:12] "Let the user uninstall/replace default applications. There are a lot of people asking for an special app to shit as default" <-- last bullet [02:12] ... [02:12] ship [02:12] Impressive. [02:12] obvious type [02:12] typo* [02:12] Ah. [02:12] Of course. [02:12] oh SHIP. Okay [02:13] I was thinking set or something [02:13] A nasty typo :P [02:13] hahaha === tseng hangs his head [02:14] bluefoxicy: can i see the diff? [02:14] tseng: diff of what? http://librarian.launchpad.net/3438258/libgcrypt11_debdiff_libgcrypt11_1.2.2-1.1.diff that? [02:14] yes. [02:14] In carpaltunnel, the Ubuntu changes are just a migration from Python 2.2 -> 2.4 The Debian code changes are the same, but it only depends on python >= 2.3. Should be safe to sync, shouldn't it? [02:14] looks good, thanks [02:15] tseng: no problem. [02:15] i wonder what the current method for getting that approved is [02:17] bluefoxicy: ok, have you tested this on dapper? [02:18] when you have, mail it to cjwatson@ubuntu.com, mdz@ubuntu.com, brando@ubuntu.com [02:18] tseng: I built it if that's what you mean. [02:18] and I will ACK it. [02:18] and I've tested dapper with the other methods of doing this [02:19] great. [02:19] just not with that configure flag. [02:19] I'll test this one out too. [02:19] link to the bug and the diff. [02:19] (the other ways were execstack -c and injecting a proper .note.GNU-stack into the .o files) [02:19] *brief* description [02:19] yeah, that was horific === bluefoxicy nods, and scp's some files. [02:20] nice work, thanks for finally diving in === tseng fixes embarassing wiki typo [02:21] The shit one? [02:21] tseng: is there some magical bash completion thing that I should install? I keep hearing about some kind of awesome tab completing [02:21] erm [02:21] bash-completion is already installed [02:21] uncomment it in .bashrc [02:21] ah ok [02:21] Dapper's bash completion is much better than Breezy's... I don't know of any better... [02:22] ii libgcrypt11 1.2.2-1.1 LGPL Crypto library - runtime library [02:22] tseng: rebooting and logging in, if it fucks up gnome will die [02:23] ok. [02:26] ugh. Forgot, Edgy has a newer glibc than dapper, and I built the package on edgy and force installed it. Guess what happened. [02:31] alright, now that I've actually built it on dapper, it works on dapper. [02:32] cool. [02:32] please send that mail === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:34] sent. [02:34] thanks. [02:36] I'll let Daniel Brandt have the next one. [02:36] who? [02:44] bluefoxicy: i dont see the mail [02:45] tseng: Daniel Brandt is a wikipedia joke; the guys in #wikipedia frequently copy the first paragraph of an article about FOO and s/FOO/Daniel Brandt/g [02:45] ok... [02:45] Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: [02:45] brando@ubuntu.com [02:45] uh [02:45] when you have, mail it to cjwatson@ubuntu.com, mdz@ubuntu.com, brando@ubuntu.com [02:45] 10 points for spelling [02:45] ugh [02:46] you could have fixed that [02:46] :/ [02:46] sorry ^_^ I didn't look [02:47] can you fwd it please [02:47] done [02:47] it is usually faster if a member of the appropriate team acks a request [02:50] bluefoxicy: ACK'd [02:51] thanks [02:51] Do you have to be a member of "Ubuntu Members" team to mark support questions as Answered? [02:52] heretician: you could certainly try if you think its sufficently answered [02:53] tseng: Well, I was the only reply, he replied thanking me -- I think it is although I dont know how to actually change it from Open to Answered hehe [02:53] me neither,a ctually [02:53] never gone into the support thingy [02:54] Atm its the only way I know how to help Ubuntu members hehe [02:54] Yeah, I was never able to find the option. [02:54] Asked in #ubuntu :) [02:56] It's a mystery. [03:04] wow. I don't have the code to fdber, an old non-finished project I started around 2000-2001 to index files and attach meta-data to them o.o (was going to index pictures and music) === bluefoxicy shrugs. [03:05] I think the support tracker is going to need/recieve some real love soon [03:05] yeah [03:05] and make bzr+lp real fast ;) [03:06] Laser_away, do you know how to mark em as finished? [03:07] have no idea [03:07] Laser_away: just as long as it's not beagle [03:08] bluefoxicy: ? === bluefoxicy has never had beagle actually work, more often crash or lock up; and besides, screw mono. [03:08] (mono works, I just don't like virtual machines) [03:08] beagle runs fine here [03:09] I can't find a menu entry for it and beagled crashes a lot [03:09] LP has nothing to do with beagle [03:09] I think the support tracker is going to need/recieve some real love soon [03:09] tracker == desktop search tool. [03:09] Laser_away: what was the first desktop search tool anyway? [03:10] we're not talking about tracker on the desktop but rather the support tracker in LP [03:10] oh [03:10] oops I read 'support for tracker' === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] in dapper, beagle is now known as search and is under Accessories [03:13] or you can just turn on integration with deskbar === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:16] jsgotangco: I got it going with the deskbar, but tbh I don't seem to use it much [03:16] really === jsgotangco has 3GB of docs in his home folder its really useful for him [03:16] 3GB thats not bad.. [03:17] most of it is cruft from old work [03:17] haven't got time to clean it up [03:17] Excuses, excuses. [03:17] ;) === bluefoxicy blinks at an "integrate apparmor" thing on one of the wiki pages and starts a comment below it with "this is marketing bull crap" [03:18] Hmm... Debian seems to have made a silly change in cheops which means it won't build on anything. [03:18] since tseng will inevitably remove it if I use any word other than 'crap' [03:18] jsgotangco: I just organize my files so that it is faster for me to use a terminal than beagle [03:18] same here.. [03:18] Pfft. File organisation is for... organised people :P [03:19] I guess I'm just not producing enough docs [03:19] Fujitsu: no, its a crutch for disorganised people ;-) [03:19] Hahaha [03:20] heh...my desk might be a mess but my files are nicely organized [03:20] My files start nicely organised, but quickly unorganise. [03:20] And my desk... let's not talk about my desk. [03:21] I usually just create most files in ~/ or ~/Destop [03:22] and then periodically shove them into ~/Documents where I forget about them [03:23] Yeah. [03:24] I've got somewhere around 1GB worth of journal articles running around in ~/Documents [03:24] I think ;-) === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:26] I'm sooo totally unproductive with my computer [03:26] I'm really unproductive with mine at the moment too. Shift+Backspace comes up amazingly often >_< [03:26] that's cause your using that Xgl crap ;p [03:27] Yeah, I was using it to show off a couple of days back. [03:27] And couldn't bothered disabling it. [03:27] I'm not using Compiz, just Xgl and Metacity. [03:28] I can hardly be bothered to use Xorg, Xgl isn't even on my radar [03:28] after all the hype it suddely quieted not surprisingly [03:28] Terminal all the way! [03:28] jsgotangco, yeah. [03:30] You know what's also unproductive? Having an ever-growing list of syncs that need to be confirmed. [03:30] well throw them out there for some MOTU to confirm [03:31] Do that I shall: [03:31] ilohamail, lincity, mbot, camorama, carpaltunnel, elmo... And there's another list on my computer at home which I don't have access to, so they'll have to wait. [03:32] I'm sure somebody will take a look ;-) [03:32] haha, do we really have to sync elmo ;) [03:33] Apparently. [03:34] hmm, how many do you think you have total, 10ish? [03:34] About that. [03:35] Mmm... decompyle is fine to sync as well. [03:35] They all even build in edgy... It's AMAZING. [03:35] would /usr/local/src be used with/by any packages that you get from synaptic? [03:35] maybe it would be better (and more productive ;-) ) to email the list to the mailing list [03:36] Probably. [03:36] heretician: no [03:36] ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com? [03:36] yeah [03:36] it's much faster, actually, to spit out the bug #s here [03:36] nothing from the repos should put anything in /usr/local [03:36] So should I file bugs for all of them first, without getting them checked? [03:37] file the bugs, list them here, and we can Ok them [03:37] Ah. OK. [03:37] k [03:37] makes sense since there are two active MOTU [03:37] Well, I've got to go to class now... I'll be back in 47 minutes to file a lot of bugs. [03:37] Hmm... [03:37] I just can't do it right now (I'm supposed to be away) and I didn't see any other MOTUs around [03:37] There's no python2.3-dev in Edgy, is there? [03:38] there is afaik [03:38] It can't find it. [03:38] (pbuilder, that is) [03:38] !info python2.3-dev edgy [03:38] python2.3-dev: Header files and a static library for Python (v2.3). In repository universe, is optional. Version 2.3.5-14 (edgy), package size 1348 kB, installed size 4420 kB [03:39] note that it was demoted to universe in Dapper [03:39] Hmm.... Does pbuilder not do universe by default? [03:39] no [03:39] Well, I'll be back. [03:40] as will I (in 1h 20m) === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:40] and I'm really going away now === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu_ [n=Fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] Mmm.. School wireless. === Fujitsu_ rapidly files bugs. [03:52] Hahaha === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:55] ilohamail: 53194 [03:55] And it closes #52462... How convenient. [03:58] lincity: Bug #53195 [03:58] Malone bug 53195 in lincity "Please sync 1.13.1-6 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/53195 [03:59] how many confirmations does it take to officially "confirm" a bug? [03:59] bug 44136 [03:59] Malone bug 44136 in ksystemlog "Missing File for KSystemLog (Boot Log)" [Medium,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/44136 [03:59] One... [03:59] according to the giant statue... 42. [04:00] Heheh [04:01] mbot: Bug #53196 [04:01] Malone bug 53196 in mbot "Please sync 0.3-6 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/53196 === kintaro [n=ad0lf@203.177.212.164] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:03] camorama is already filed by Hobbsee... === ctd [i=ctd@incubus.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-234.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:03] Speaking of the devil. [04:05] heh. [04:05] what have i done now? [04:05] carpaltunnel: Bug #53197 [04:05] Malone bug 53197 in carpaltunnel "Please sync 0.0.9-0.1 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/53197 [04:05] Hobbsee, you filed a sync request on camorama. [04:05] Hobbsee, all done ? [04:05] Fujitsu_: heh, yes? [04:05] imbrandon: dapper just installed [04:05] Hobbsee, ahh you doing it the fresh way ? [04:05] heh , i'm not that lucky [04:06] i got too much to backup lol [04:06] Hobbsee, I was going through my list of syncs and filing bugs, but you already had. [04:06] Fujitsu_: ahhh...always worth checking that [04:06] imbrandon: i said "screw the backup" [04:06] lol [04:06] Hobbsee, yeah. [04:06] Hobbsee, you did backup /home right atleaste ;) [04:07] imbrandon: i had and old backup [04:07] ahh ;) [04:07] What happened, Hobbsee> [04:07] *? [04:07] edgy [04:07] ;) === unhopeless [n=unhopele@ip70-160-66-141.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:07] hi everyone [04:07] can someone help me [04:07] Fujitsu_: nothing yet [04:07] unhopeless, what is your question? [04:08] well my friend just installed ubuntu on his computer [04:08] he went all out [04:08] he formated and everything [04:08] and we got to a hole in the floor [04:08] we are stuck at this screen [04:08] unhopeless, I don't want to be rude but this question probably belongs in #ubuntu I can help you in there [04:08] unhopeless, this isnt a support chan try #ubuntu ;) ( this is for the packagers ) [04:08] Your really in the wrong channel for that :) [04:08] right after he types in his login and passy thats as far as he can get [04:08] woop, 3 people know at once ;) [04:08] lol [04:08] lol [04:08] join #ubuntu [04:08] hmmm [04:09] imbrandon, stop copying me! [04:09] unhopeless: continue to #ubuntu and i'll help you there [04:09] elmo: Bug #53198 [04:09] Malone bug 53198 in elmo "Please sync 1.3.0-1.1 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/53198 [04:11] Fujitsu_: get a motu to confirm, and subscribe the ubuntu-archive [04:11] Hobbsee, I was told to just list all the bugs here, and crimsun/somebody else would look at them. [04:12] Fujitsu_: ah okay. i doubt elmo would, and he's not in this channel anyway [04:12] No, elmo the package :P [04:12] !info elmo [04:12] elmo: text-based mail-reader supporting SMTP and POP3. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1.3.0-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 179 kB, installed size 516 kB [04:12] ah, there you go :P [04:13] !info opensync [04:13] Package opensync does not exist in dapper [04:13] !info libopensync-dev [04:13] hi lifeless [04:13] Package libopensync-dev does not exist in dapper [04:13] hmm [04:13] hi Hobbsee [04:13] lifeless: were you after edgy? [04:14] yeah [04:14] !info opensync edgy [04:14] Package opensync does not exist in edgy [04:14] bleh. [04:14] !info libopensync-dev/edgy [04:14] Package libopensync-dev/edgy does not exist in dapper [04:14] !info libopensync-dev edgy [04:14] Package libopensync-dev does not exist in edgy [04:14] hmm, suck [04:14] !info libopensync0 edgy [04:14] libopensync0: Synchronisation framework for email/pdas/and more. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.18-2.1 (edgy), package size 173 kB, installed size 560 kB === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:16] !find libopensync edgy [04:16] Found: libopensync0, libopensync0-dbg, libopensync0-dev [04:16] ^^ thats nice too [04:17] hmm..... I subscribed to the motu mailing list about a week ago and haven't received any mail from it yet except for my confirmation email, does that sound right? [04:17] FunnyLookinHat, its low volume [04:17] imbrandon: for the moment [04:17] dholbach's doing a lot to fix that [04:17] Hahah. [04:18] lol [04:18] ahh ok. [04:19] !info python2.3-dev edgy [04:19] python2.3-dev: Header files and a static library for Python (v2.3). In repository universe, is optional. Version 2.3.5-14 (edgy), package size 1348 kB, installed size 4420 kB [04:19] sudo pbuilder build --basetgz ~/edgy_pbuild.tgz decompyle_2.3.2-3.dsc --mirror "http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe" [04:19] Can anybody see why that --mirror isn't working? [04:20] Oops. [04:20] Should be --other-mirror [04:21] you dont use a config file? odd. [04:21] speaking of which, i should stick the stuff in the config file into the main pbuilder-edgy file. that would probably make sense. [04:21] hmm. [04:21] No, I only set it up this morning. [04:21] I haven't had cause for an Edgy one before. [04:22] heh [04:22] it hasnt really existed for that long === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-68-38-202-139.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:33] I /still/ can't get it to see that universe is there. === DarkMageZ [n=DarkMage@59.167.27.251] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:34] Fujitsu: where's the apt.config file, and do you have it set? [04:34] this is where following the !pbuilder guide is good, and having a config file, to avoid all this hassle (unless you screw the config file, but that's another story) [04:35] bash: ./configure: No such file or directory [04:35] Any reason for that? [04:35] heretician: are you in the source dir? [04:35] heretician: and what package is this for? [04:35] It's for the package --help! :P [04:35] was trying to do ./configure --help [04:35] heretician: um, okay? === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:36] Ahh nm.. I get it now [04:36] I put OTHERMIRROR="deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe" in .pbuilderrc [04:36] I thought it was listing available variables for the ./configure command [04:41] Fujitsu: that works, although you shouldnt need "edgy" in there, i dont think, if the distro is set to be edgy [04:41] Fujitsu: were you building multiple pbuilders here? [04:41] or just edgy? === Hobbsee is lost. [04:41] again [04:42] I've had a Dapper one forever. An Edgy one I created this morning, but I need python2.3-dev to build something, so I need universe. === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:43] Fujitsu: yeah, right. you're following the section on multiple pbuilders in the wiki? [04:43] Fujitsu: and you know that you cant create an edgy pbuilder directly atm? [04:44] Hmm.. I can build everything else fine after I installed the new debootstrap. [04:44] It works fine, except that I can't enable universe. === FunnyLookinHat [n=david@71.57.11.218] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:46] ah ok [04:46] AH. [04:46] --overide-config [04:49] well, yeah. didnt think of that one, as i'd assumed that's what you were using === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:51] ./configure --prefix="$usr/src would change the install directory to usr/src correct? [04:53] heretician: i would expect so, but if it's a package you're goign to put onto revu, you should do that in /debian/rules [04:53] or would it be "/usr/src" [04:53] er, /usr/source. i'm not sure. [04:54] Only one way to find out :) [04:54] Finally im on the largest guide that includes sample tars and such :) [04:54]