[12:07] <tseng> there should be no such thing as an accidental upload
[12:07] <tseng> are you refering to REVU?
[12:08] <shawarma> er... Merges are uploaded to Revu as well, no?
[12:08] <tseng> maybe?
[12:08] <tseng> I dont get involved in revu
[12:08] <tseng> my packages are peer reviewed by ubuntu-mono and I am in coredev
[12:08] <shawarma> I see.
[12:09] <tseng> don't really know any of the best practices with REVU these days
[12:09] <tseng> if someone else told you to do it, fine
[12:09] <tseng> it doesnt hurt anything
[12:09] <shawarma> I'll check the wiki for instructions.
[12:15] <shawarma> tseng: But in the case where MoM has done the right thing, you'd just leave the changelog entry with the MoM signature?
[12:27] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  got the debdiff to work right, rebuilt both locally and then debdiff'd my changes.
[12:28] <bluefoxicy> what do I do with it
[12:30] <shawarma> debian appears to be in some sort of "dep: debconf -> dep: debconf | debconf-2.0" transition.. How do we handle that?
[12:31] <crimsun> you take whatever Debian has
[12:31] <crimsun> always prefer Debian's control and merge back only what is necessary for Ubuntu
[12:32] <shawarma> So it's ok to refer to debconf-2.0 even though no such thing exists in our archives?
[12:32] <crimsun> we use debconf
[12:32] <crimsun> so the debconf | debconf-2.0 is satisfied
[12:32] <shawarma> that's true.
[12:32] <shawarma> Ok, I'll leave it like that.
[12:35] <shawarma> Before I do anything wrong here... When I'm done merging something, what do I do? Upload it to REVU?
[12:37] <crimsun> you can if you wish, or you can ping a MOTU
[12:37] <crimsun> as long as the merged source package is publicly available
[12:37] <shawarma> I see.
[12:38] <shawarma> I just need to build it to be sure.
[12:43] <shawarma> I'm getting a new build server tomorrow. I can hardly wait! :-)
[12:52] <LaserJock> tritium!!!!
[12:52] <tritium> Hi LaserJock :)
[12:56] <LaserJock> tritium: how have you been?
[12:56] <tritium> LaserJock: not bad.  You?  How is school?
[12:57] <LaserJock> tritium: what school?
[12:57] <LaserJock> haha
[12:57] <tritium> ha ha
[12:57] <LaserJock> it's going ok, research is starting to pick up
[12:57] <LaserJock> I've got a summer undergrad researcher working for me
[12:58] <tritium> Cool.
[12:58] <LaserJock> and I've convinced the other group I'm depending on to make me molecules that I can use
[12:59] <bluefoxicy> o.o molecules?
[12:59] <bluefoxicy> Like, with styrofoam balls and toothpicks?
[01:00] <tritium> :)
[01:00] <LaserJock> well, real ones but yeah
[01:00] <crimsun> he's a physical chemist, so yes.
[01:00] <LaserJock> I'm a chemist
[01:00] <bluefoxicy> real ones?
[01:00] <bluefoxicy> like with balls of positively charged energy and nuclear forces?
[01:00] <LaserJock> real molecules, I tend to not do research on styrofoam balls ;-)
[01:01] <LaserJock> journal reviewers aren't as crazy when we do styrofoam research ;-)
[01:01] <LaserJock> crazy about our papers that is
[01:02] <bluefoxicy> so is this for master's thesis or phd?
[01:02] <LaserJock> PhD
[01:02] <bluefoxicy> ah
[01:02] <LaserJock> never got around to the Masters ;-)
[01:02] <bluefoxicy> I want a phd but i don't have quite enough peripheral information.
[01:03] <bluefoxicy> I wanted to do a paper on computer security, submit it for review, get a mentor, do some research, and then write a new paper and go for the Ph.D. before starting my BS
[01:03] <bluefoxicy> I've almost got my AAS of CompSci
[01:03] <bluefoxicy> the problem is every time I get anywhere on my security papers I reach this critical point where the paper is all fluff
[01:04] <bluefoxicy> I start with a bunch of stuff I can put together and say "60-80% of the problems we see can go away... we can do better debugging..." etc for a more secure system
[01:04] <bluefoxicy> and as I'm fleshing it out I am still learning
[01:04] <bluefoxicy> I get about 50% more information about what I'm doing, and try to incorporate it, and the paper is full of excess unorganized crap.
[01:05] <Fujitsu> Heheheh
[01:06] <nixternal> 
[01:06] <imbrandon> ?
[01:06] <nixternal> hahahah
[01:07] <tritium> crimsun: will any vmware-server packages make it into ubuntu, now that it's free?
[01:13] <LaserJock> tritium: btw, the current state of MOTU Science in edgy: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/all.html
[01:14] <tritium> LaserJock: hmm, thanks...
[01:14] <tritium> Wow, big list!
[01:14] <LaserJock> only 46 left to merge/sync
[01:14] <LaserJock> :-)
[01:16] <Fujitsu> Yay for the science team.
[01:17] <tritium> wow, octave 2.9!
[01:17] <LaserJock> yeah, texlive hit Debian not long ago
[01:17] <Fujitsu> What's TeXlive?
[01:17] <LaserJock> it's a TeX distribution
[01:17] <Fujitsu> I guessed that.
[01:17] <tritium> It's sort of the defacto standard TeX distro
[01:18] <tritium> e.g., most books you buy come with a TeXLive CD, etc.
[01:18] <LaserJock> right
[01:19] <tritium> In some sense, it's more platform-independent than, say, tetex.  texlive runs on Windows too...
[01:20] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[01:21] <LaserJock> ok guys, I've gotta run. Nice to see you tritium
[01:21] <tritium> Good to see you too, LaserJock
[01:21] <Fujitsu> Bye, LaserJock.
[02:12] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  besides the obvious does "shit" mean something as a verb?
[02:12] <tseng> bluefoxicy: uh.
[02:12] <bluefoxicy> particularly in the context of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityEdgyIdeas/apt
[02:12] <bluefoxicy> "Let the user uninstall/replace default applications. There are a lot of people asking for an special app to shit as default"  <-- last bullet
[02:12] <Fujitsu> ...
[02:12] <tseng> ship
[02:12] <Fujitsu> Impressive.
[02:12] <tseng> obvious type
[02:12] <tseng> typo*
[02:12] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[02:12] <Fujitsu> Of course.
[02:12] <bluefoxicy> oh SHIP.  Okay
[02:13] <bluefoxicy> I was thinking set or something
[02:13] <Fujitsu> A nasty typo :P
[02:13] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[02:14] <tseng> bluefoxicy: can i see the diff?
[02:14] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  diff of what?  http://librarian.launchpad.net/3438258/libgcrypt11_debdiff_libgcrypt11_1.2.2-1.1.diff that?
[02:14] <tseng> yes.
[02:14] <Fujitsu> In carpaltunnel, the Ubuntu changes are just a migration from Python 2.2 -> 2.4 The Debian code changes are the same, but it only depends on python >= 2.3. Should be safe to sync, shouldn't it?
[02:14] <tseng> looks good, thanks
[02:15] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  no problem.
[02:15] <tseng> i wonder what the current method for getting that approved is
[02:17] <tseng> bluefoxicy: ok, have you tested this on dapper?
[02:18] <tseng> when you have, mail it to cjwatson@ubuntu.com, mdz@ubuntu.com, brando@ubuntu.com
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  I built it if that's what you mean.
[02:18] <tseng> and I will ACK it.
[02:18] <bluefoxicy> and I've tested dapper with the other methods of doing this
[02:19] <tseng> great.
[02:19] <bluefoxicy> just not with that configure flag.
[02:19] <bluefoxicy> I'll test this one out too.
[02:19] <tseng> link to the bug and the diff.
[02:19] <bluefoxicy> (the other ways were execstack -c and injecting a proper .note.GNU-stack into the .o files)
[02:19] <tseng> *brief* description
[02:19] <tseng> yeah, that was horific
[02:20] <tseng> nice work, thanks for finally diving in
[02:21] <Fujitsu> The shit one?
[02:21] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  is there some magical bash completion thing that I should install?  I keep hearing about some kind of awesome tab completing
[02:21] <tseng> erm
[02:21] <tseng> bash-completion is already installed
[02:21] <tseng> uncomment it in .bashrc
[02:21] <bluefoxicy> ah ok
[02:21] <Fujitsu> Dapper's bash completion is much better than Breezy's... I don't know of any better...
[02:22] <bluefoxicy> ii  libgcrypt11    1.2.2-1.1      LGPL Crypto library - runtime library
[02:22] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  rebooting and logging in, if it fucks up gnome will die
[02:23] <tseng> ok.
[02:26] <bluefoxicy> ugh.  Forgot, Edgy has a newer glibc than dapper, and I built the package on edgy and force installed it.  Guess what happened.
[02:31] <bluefoxicy> alright, now that I've actually built it on dapper, it works on dapper.
[02:32] <tseng> cool.
[02:32] <tseng> please send that mail
[02:34] <bluefoxicy> sent.
[02:34] <tseng> thanks.
[02:36] <bluefoxicy> I'll let Daniel Brandt have the next one.
[02:36] <tseng> who?
[02:44] <tseng> bluefoxicy: i dont see the mail
[02:45] <bluefoxicy> tseng:  Daniel Brandt is a wikipedia joke; the guys in #wikipedia frequently copy the first paragraph of an article about FOO and s/FOO/Daniel Brandt/g
[02:45] <tseng> ok...
[02:45] <bluefoxicy> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
[02:45] <bluefoxicy>      brando@ubuntu.com
[02:45] <tseng> uh
 when you have, mail it to cjwatson@ubuntu.com, mdz@ubuntu.com, brando@ubuntu.com
[02:45] <tseng> 10 points for spelling
[02:45] <tseng> ugh
[02:46] <tseng> you could have fixed that
[02:46] <tseng> :/
[02:46] <bluefoxicy> sorry ^_^ I didn't look
[02:47] <tseng> can you fwd it please
[02:47] <bluefoxicy> done
[02:47] <tseng> it is usually faster if a member of the appropriate team acks a request
[02:50] <tseng> bluefoxicy: ACK'd
[02:51] <tseng> thanks
[02:51] <heretician> Do you have to be a member of "Ubuntu Members" team to mark support questions as Answered?
[02:52] <tseng> heretician: you could certainly try if you think its sufficently answered
[02:53] <heretician> tseng: Well, I was the only reply, he replied thanking me -- I think it is although I dont know how to actually change it from Open to Answered hehe
[02:53] <tseng> me neither,a ctually
[02:53] <tseng> never gone into the support thingy
[02:54] <heretician> Atm its the only way I know how to help Ubuntu members hehe
[02:54] <Fujitsu> Yeah, I was never able to find the option.
[02:54] <heretician> Asked in #ubuntu :)
[02:56] <heretician> It's a mystery.
[03:04] <bluefoxicy> wow.  I don't have the code to fdber, an old non-finished project I started around 2000-2001 to index files and attach meta-data to them o.o (was going to index pictures and music)
[03:05] <Laser_away> I think the support tracker is going to need/recieve some real love soon
[03:05] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:05] <jsgotangco> and make bzr+lp real fast ;)
[03:06] <heretician> Laser_away, do you know how to mark em as finished?
[03:07] <Laser_away> have no idea
[03:07] <bluefoxicy> Laser_away:  just as long as it's not beagle
[03:08] <Laser_away> bluefoxicy: ?
[03:08] <bluefoxicy> (mono works, I just don't like virtual machines)
[03:08] <jsgotangco> beagle runs fine here
[03:09] <bluefoxicy> I can't find a menu entry for it and beagled crashes a lot
[03:09] <Laser_away> LP has nothing to do with beagle
 I think the support tracker is going to need/recieve some real love soon
[03:09] <bluefoxicy> tracker == desktop search tool.
[03:09] <bluefoxicy> Laser_away:  what was the first desktop search tool anyway?
[03:10] <jsgotangco> we're not talking about tracker on the desktop but rather the support tracker in LP
[03:10] <bluefoxicy> oh
[03:10] <bluefoxicy> oops I read 'support for tracker'
[03:13] <jsgotangco> in dapper, beagle is now known as search and is under Accessories
[03:13] <jsgotangco> or you can just turn on integration with deskbar
[03:16] <Laser_away> jsgotangco: I got it going with the deskbar, but tbh I don't seem to use it much
[03:16] <jsgotangco> really
[03:16] <zul> 3GB thats not bad..
[03:17] <jsgotangco> most of it is cruft from old work
[03:17] <jsgotangco> haven't got time to clean it up
[03:17] <Fujitsu> Excuses, excuses.
[03:17] <jsgotangco> ;)
[03:18] <Fujitsu> Hmm... Debian seems to have made a silly change in cheops which means it won't build on anything.
[03:18] <bluefoxicy> since tseng will inevitably remove it if I use any word other than 'crap'
[03:18] <Laser_away> jsgotangco: I just organize my files so that it is faster for me to use a terminal than beagle
[03:18] <zul> same here..
[03:18] <Fujitsu> Pfft. File organisation is for... organised people :P
[03:19] <Laser_away> I guess I'm just not producing enough docs
[03:19] <Laser_away> Fujitsu: no, its a crutch for disorganised people ;-)
[03:19] <Fujitsu> Hahaha
[03:20] <zul> heh...my desk might be a mess but my files are nicely organized
[03:20] <Fujitsu> My files start nicely organised, but quickly unorganise.
[03:20] <Fujitsu> And my desk... let's not talk about my desk.
[03:21] <Laser_away> I usually just create most files in ~/ or ~/Destop
[03:22] <Laser_away> and then periodically shove them into ~/Documents where I forget about them
[03:23] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[03:24] <Laser_away> I've got somewhere around 1GB worth of journal articles running around in ~/Documents
[03:24] <Laser_away> I think ;-)
[03:26] <Laser_away> I'm sooo totally unproductive with my computer
[03:26] <Fujitsu> I'm really unproductive with mine at the moment too. Shift+Backspace comes up amazingly often >_<
[03:26] <Laser_away> that's cause your using that Xgl crap ;p
[03:27] <Fujitsu> Yeah, I was using it to show off a couple of days back.
[03:27] <Fujitsu> And couldn't bothered disabling it.
[03:27] <Fujitsu> I'm not using Compiz, just Xgl and Metacity.
[03:28] <Laser_away> I can hardly be bothered to use Xorg, Xgl isn't even on my radar
[03:28] <jsgotangco> after all the hype it suddely quieted not surprisingly
[03:28] <Fujitsu> Terminal all the way!
[03:28] <Fujitsu> jsgotangco, yeah.
[03:30] <Fujitsu> You know what's also unproductive? Having an ever-growing list of syncs that need to be confirmed.
[03:30] <Laser_away> well throw them out there for some MOTU to confirm
[03:31] <Fujitsu> Do that I shall:
[03:31] <Fujitsu> ilohamail, lincity, mbot, camorama, carpaltunnel, elmo... And there's another list on my computer at home which I don't have access to, so they'll have to wait.
[03:32] <Laser_away> I'm sure somebody will take a look ;-)
[03:32] <Laser_away> haha, do we really have to sync elmo ;)
[03:33] <Fujitsu> Apparently.
[03:34] <Laser_away> hmm, how many do you think you have total, 10ish?
[03:34] <Fujitsu> About that.
[03:35] <Fujitsu> Mmm... decompyle is fine to sync as well.
[03:35] <Fujitsu> They all even build in edgy... It's AMAZING.
[03:35] <heretician> would /usr/local/src be used with/by any packages that you get from synaptic?
[03:35] <Laser_away> maybe it would be better (and more productive ;-) ) to email the list to the mailing list
[03:36] <Fujitsu> Probably.
[03:36] <Laser_away> heretician: no
[03:36] <Fujitsu> ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com?
[03:36] <Laser_away> yeah
[03:36] <crimsun> it's much faster, actually, to spit out the bug #s here
[03:36] <Laser_away> nothing from the repos should put anything in /usr/local
[03:36] <Fujitsu> So should I file bugs for all of them first, without getting them checked?
[03:37] <crimsun> file the bugs, list them here, and we can Ok them
[03:37] <Fujitsu> Ah. OK.
[03:37] <Laser_away> k
[03:37] <crimsun> makes sense since there are two active MOTU
[03:37] <Fujitsu> Well, I've got to go to class now... I'll be back in 47 minutes to file a lot of bugs.
[03:37] <Fujitsu> Hmm...
[03:37] <Laser_away> I just can't do it right now (I'm supposed to be away) and I didn't see any other MOTUs around
[03:37] <Fujitsu> There's no python2.3-dev in Edgy, is there?
[03:38] <crimsun> there is afaik
[03:38] <Fujitsu> It can't find it.
[03:38] <Fujitsu> (pbuilder, that is)
[03:38] <Laser_away> !info python2.3-dev edgy
[03:38] <ubotu> python2.3-dev: Header files and a static library for Python (v2.3). In repository universe, is optional. Version 2.3.5-14 (edgy), package size 1348 kB, installed size 4420 kB
[03:39] <crimsun> note that it was demoted to universe in Dapper
[03:39] <Fujitsu> Hmm.... Does pbuilder not do universe by default?
[03:39] <crimsun> no
[03:39] <Fujitsu> Well, I'll be back.
[03:40] <crimsun> as will I (in 1h 20m)
[03:40] <Laser_away> and I'm really going away now
[03:50] <Fujitsu_> Mmm.. School wireless.
[03:52] <FunnyLookinHat> Hahaha
[03:55] <Fujitsu_> ilohamail: 53194
[03:55] <Fujitsu_> And it closes #52462... How convenient.
[03:58] <Fujitsu_> lincity: Bug #53195
[03:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53195 in lincity "Please sync 1.13.1-6 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53195
[03:59] <ryanakca> how many confirmations does it take to officially "confirm" a bug?
[03:59] <ryanakca> bug 44136
[03:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 44136 in ksystemlog "Missing File for KSystemLog (Boot Log)" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/44136
[03:59] <Fujitsu_> One...
[03:59] <FunnyLookinHat> according to the giant statue... 42.
[04:00] <Fujitsu_> Heheh
[04:01] <Fujitsu_> mbot: Bug #53196
[04:01] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53196 in mbot "Please sync 0.3-6 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53196
[04:03] <Fujitsu_> camorama is already filed by Hobbsee...
[04:03] <Fujitsu_> Speaking of the devil.
[04:05] <Hobbsee> heh.
[04:05] <Hobbsee> what have i done now?
[04:05] <Fujitsu_> carpaltunnel:  Bug #53197
[04:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53197 in carpaltunnel "Please sync 0.0.9-0.1 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53197
[04:05] <Fujitsu_> Hobbsee, you filed a sync request on camorama.
[04:05] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, all done ?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu_: heh, yes?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: dapper just installed
[04:05] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, ahh you doing it the fresh way ?
[04:05] <imbrandon> heh , i'm not that lucky
[04:06] <imbrandon> i got too much to backup lol
[04:06] <Fujitsu_> Hobbsee, I was going through my list of syncs and filing bugs, but you already had.
[04:06] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu_: ahhh...always worth checking that
[04:06] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i said "screw the backup"
[04:06] <imbrandon> lol
[04:06] <Fujitsu_> Hobbsee, yeah.
[04:06] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, you did backup /home right atleaste ;)
[04:07] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i had and old backup
[04:07] <imbrandon> ahh ;)
[04:07] <Fujitsu_> What happened, Hobbsee>
[04:07] <Fujitsu_> *?
[04:07] <imbrandon> edgy
[04:07] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:07] <unhopeless> hi everyone
[04:07] <unhopeless> can someone help me
[04:07] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu_: nothing yet
[04:07] <FunnyLookinHat> unhopeless, what is your question?
[04:08] <unhopeless> well my friend just installed ubuntu on his computer
[04:08] <unhopeless> he went all out
[04:08] <unhopeless> he formated and everything
[04:08] <unhopeless> and we got to a hole in the floor
[04:08] <unhopeless> we are stuck at this screen
[04:08] <FunnyLookinHat> unhopeless, I don't want to be rude but this question probably belongs in #ubuntu     I can help you in there
[04:08] <imbrandon> unhopeless, this isnt a support chan try #ubuntu ;) ( this is for the packagers )
[04:08] <Lathiat> Your really in the wrong channel for that :)
[04:08] <unhopeless> right after he types in his login and passy thats as far as he can get
[04:08] <Lathiat> woop, 3 people know at once ;)
[04:08] <FunnyLookinHat> lol
[04:08] <imbrandon> lol
[04:08] <unhopeless> join #ubuntu
[04:08] <unhopeless> hmmm
[04:09] <FunnyLookinHat> imbrandon, stop copying me!
[04:09] <Lathiat> unhopeless: continue to #ubuntu and i'll help you there
[04:09] <Fujitsu_> elmo: Bug #53198
[04:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53198 in elmo "Please sync 1.3.0-1.1 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53198
[04:11] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu_: get a motu to confirm, and subscribe the ubuntu-archive
[04:11] <Fujitsu_> Hobbsee, I was told to just list all the bugs here, and crimsun/somebody else would look at them.
[04:12] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu_: ah okay.  i doubt elmo would, and he's not in this channel anyway
[04:12] <Fujitsu_> No, elmo the package :P
[04:12] <Hobbsee> !info elmo
[04:12] <ubotu> elmo: text-based mail-reader supporting SMTP and POP3. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1.3.0-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 179 kB, installed size 516 kB
[04:12] <Hobbsee> ah, there you go :P
[04:13] <lifeless> !info opensync
[04:13] <ubotu> Package opensync does not exist in dapper
[04:13] <lifeless> !info libopensync-dev
[04:13] <Hobbsee> hi lifeless
[04:13] <ubotu> Package libopensync-dev does not exist in dapper
[04:13] <lifeless> hmm
[04:13] <lifeless> hi Hobbsee
[04:13] <Hobbsee> lifeless: were you after edgy?
[04:14] <lifeless> yeah
[04:14] <Hobbsee> !info opensync edgy
[04:14] <ubotu> Package opensync does not exist in edgy
[04:14] <Hobbsee> bleh.
[04:14] <lifeless> !info libopensync-dev/edgy
[04:14] <ubotu> Package libopensync-dev/edgy does not exist in dapper
[04:14] <lifeless> !info libopensync-dev edgy
[04:14] <ubotu> Package libopensync-dev does not exist in edgy
[04:14] <lifeless> hmm, suck
[04:14] <lifeless> !info libopensync0 edgy
[04:14] <ubotu> libopensync0: Synchronisation framework for email/pdas/and more. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.18-2.1 (edgy), package size 173 kB, installed size 560 kB
[04:16] <imbrandon> !find libopensync edgy
[04:16] <ubotu> Found: libopensync0, libopensync0-dbg, libopensync0-dev
[04:16] <imbrandon> ^^ thats nice too
[04:17] <FunnyLookinHat> hmm.....   I subscribed to the motu mailing list about a week ago and haven't received any mail from it yet except for my confirmation email, does that sound right?
[04:17] <imbrandon> FunnyLookinHat, its low volume
[04:17] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: for the moment
[04:17] <Hobbsee> dholbach's doing a lot to fix that
[04:17] <Fujitsu_> Hahah.
[04:18] <imbrandon> lol
[04:18] <FunnyLookinHat> ahh ok.
[04:19] <Fujitsu_> !info python2.3-dev edgy
[04:19] <ubotu> python2.3-dev: Header files and a static library for Python (v2.3). In repository universe, is optional. Version 2.3.5-14 (edgy), package size 1348 kB, installed size 4420 kB
[04:19] <Fujitsu_> sudo pbuilder build --basetgz ~/edgy_pbuild.tgz decompyle_2.3.2-3.dsc --mirror "http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe"
[04:19] <Fujitsu_> Can anybody see why that --mirror isn't working?
[04:20] <Fujitsu_> Oops.
[04:20] <Fujitsu_> Should be --other-mirror
[04:21] <Hobbsee> you dont use a config file?  odd.
[04:21] <Hobbsee> speaking of which, i should stick the stuff in the config file into the main pbuilder-edgy file.  that would probably make sense.
[04:21] <Hobbsee> hmm.
[04:21] <Fujitsu_> No, I only set it up this morning.
[04:21] <Fujitsu_> I haven't had cause for an Edgy one before.
[04:22] <Hobbsee> heh
[04:22] <Hobbsee> it hasnt really existed for that long
[04:33] <Fujitsu> I /still/ can't get it to see that universe is there.
[04:34] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: where's the apt.config file, and do you have it set?
[04:34] <Hobbsee> this is where following the !pbuilder guide is good, and having a config file, to avoid all this hassle (unless you screw the config file, but that's another story)
[04:35] <heretician> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[04:35] <heretician> Any reason for that?
[04:35] <Hobbsee> heretician: are you in the source dir?
[04:35] <Hobbsee> heretician: and what package is this for?
[04:35] <heretician> It's for the package --help! :P
[04:35] <heretician> was trying to do ./configure --help
[04:35] <Hobbsee> heretician: um, okay?
[04:36] <heretician> Ahh nm.. I get it now
[04:36] <Fujitsu> I put OTHERMIRROR="deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu edgy universe" in .pbuilderrc
[04:36] <heretician> I thought it was listing available variables for the ./configure command
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: that works, although you shouldnt need "edgy" in there, i dont think, if the distro is set to be edgy
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: were you building multiple pbuilders here?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> or just edgy?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> again
[04:42] <Fujitsu> I've had a Dapper one forever. An Edgy one I created this morning, but I need python2.3-dev to build something, so I need universe.
[04:43] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yeah, right.  you're following the section on multiple pbuilders in the wiki?
[04:43] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: and you know that you cant create an edgy pbuilder directly atm?
[04:44] <Fujitsu> Hmm.. I can build everything else fine after I installed the new debootstrap.
[04:44] <Fujitsu> It works fine, except that I can't enable universe.
[04:46] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[04:46] <Fujitsu> AH.
[04:46] <Fujitsu> --overide-config
[04:49] <Hobbsee> well, yeah.  didnt think of that one, as i'd assumed that's what you were using
[04:51] <heretician> ./configure --prefix="$usr/src would change the install directory to usr/src correct?
[04:53] <Hobbsee> heretician: i would expect so, but if it's a package you're goign to put onto revu, you should do that in /debian/rules
[04:53] <heretician> or would it be "/usr/src"
[04:53] <Hobbsee> er, /usr/source.  i'm not sure.
[04:54] <heretician> Only one way to find out :)
[04:54] <heretician> Finally im on the largest guide that includes sample tars and such :)
[04:54] <heretician> to download*
[04:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:55] <heretician> Er, is it not supposed to show up in the directory lol?
[05:02] <Fujitsu> !info python2.3 edgy
[05:02] <ubotu> python2.3: An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.3). In repository universe, is optional. Version 2.3.5-14 (edgy), package size 2734 kB, installed size 9388 kB
[05:06] <Fujitsu> Hmm...
[05:06] <Fujitsu> It's now OK with python2.3-dev, but says python2.3 itself can't be installed...
[05:07] <Fujitsu> The right package is certainly in the archives.
[05:12] <crimsun> is your pbuilder updated?
[05:12] <Hobbsee> probably not
[05:12] <Hobbsee> hi crimsun :)
[05:12] <crimsun> login, and see what apt-get says when you attempt to install python2.3-dev
[05:12] <Fujitsu> Yes, as of about 5 minutes ago.
[05:12] <Fujitsu> True.
[05:12] <crimsun> hi Hobbsee
[05:13] <Fujitsu> And yes, hi crimsun.
[05:14] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[05:14] <Fujitsu> python2.3 depends on python-central >= 0.4.12, which apparently doesn't like to exist.
[05:15] <crimsun> 0.5.1 is in Edgy, though.
[05:16] <Fujitsu> No, it's not.
[05:16] <Fujitsu> !info python-central
[05:16] <ubotu> Package python-central does not exist in dapper
[05:16] <Fujitsu> !info python-central egy
[05:16] <ubotu> Package python-central does not exist in dapper
[05:16] <Fujitsu> !info python-central edgy
[05:16] <ubotu> python-central: register and build utility for Python packages. In repository main, is optional. Version 0.5.1 (edgy), package size 23 kB, installed size 172 kB
[05:16] <Fujitsu> Hmm...
[05:17] <Fujitsu> Aha. I see.
[05:17] <Fujitsu> My bad.
[05:17] <Fujitsu> I hadn't set the default distro properly.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:18] <Hobbsee> always useful
[05:19] <Erlang> !info erlang dapper
[05:19] <ubotu> erlang: A real-time, concurrent and distributed functional language. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1:10.b.7-1 (dapper), package size 25223 kB, installed size 70780 kB
[05:19] <Erlang> sw33t, I'm in Dapper.
[05:23] <Fujitsu> And now one of the pre-install scripts is failing...
[05:26] <Erlang> !info erlang edgy
[05:26] <ubotu> erlang: A real-time, concurrent and distributed functional language. In repository universe, is optional. Version 1:10.b.7-1 (edgy), package size 25223 kB, installed size 70780 kB
[05:39] <Fujitsu> !info f-spot
[05:39] <ubotu> f-spot: personal photo management application. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.1.11-1ubuntu1 (dapper), package size 820 kB, installed size 2940 kB
[05:39] <Fujitsu> !info f-spot edgy
[05:39] <ubotu> f-spot: personal photo management application. In repository universe, is optional. Version 0.1.11-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 820 kB, installed size 2940 kB
[05:41] <Hobbsee> that is avery nic epackage
[05:41] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: were you looking at upgrading that?
[05:42] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, yeah. Debian synced it from Ubuntu, and we need to sync again.
[05:42] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yeah, leave that one to ajmitch - he's the maintainer for debian and ubuntu
[05:42] <Fujitsu> Ah. OK.
[05:42] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:42] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[05:42] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: he likes having f-spot fun :P
[05:42] <Fujitsu> Heheheh
[05:43] <Fujitsu> There really aren't that many packages that need Ubuntu-specific changes now. I've only found 2 or 3 out of the 20 I've looked at thoroughly...
[05:44] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: nice :)
[05:45] <Fujitsu> Yeah, silly KDE.
[05:45] <Fujitsu> I'm doing anything that doesn't look to big and nasty... And they're all syncs now.
[05:45] <Fujitsu> *too
[05:45] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:45] <Hobbsee> nice kde
[05:45] <Hobbsee> :P
[05:45] <Fujitsu> It's not bad.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> bleh.  ndiswrapper is still screwed on here.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> oh well.
[05:46] <Hobbsee> rebooting time - wish me luck!
[05:46] <Fujitsu> Hah
[05:46] <Fujitsu> You'll need it.
[05:47] <lifeless> Hobbsee: 10% is 1600 packages :)
[05:47] <Hobbsee> lifeless: 10%?  where was that mentoined?
[05:47] <Hobbsee> lifeless: but that's true :)
[05:47] <lifeless> 2 or 3 out of 20
[05:48] <Hobbsee> lifeless: ah right
[05:48] <lifeless> soryy, should have been addressed to Fujitsu
[05:48] <Hobbsee> ahhhh..
[05:48] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[05:48] <Fujitsu> There are a huge number of packages who's difference is just a python2.3 build-dep in Debian, and python2.4 in Ubuntu...
[05:49] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: yeah.  actually, i thought they were being updated in debian unstable to use python2.4...
[05:49] <crimsun> those are worthwhile deltas. keep 'em.
[05:49] <Hobbsee> crimsun: huh?
[05:50] <Fujitsu> OK.
[05:50] <Fujitsu> Will do.
[05:51] <crimsun> if the difference is that current debian still uses python2.3-dev whereas ubuntu uses python2.4-dev, we keep the ubuntu delta
[05:51] <crimsun> if current debian has switched to python-{support,central}, then we probably can drop the ubuntu delta
[05:52] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yeah, right
[05:52] <Hobbsee> that's what i thought you meant
[05:52] <lifeless> well, there are bugs in support and cewntral
[05:53] <Hobbsee> hi fowlduck
[05:53] <lifeless> for instance, I need to track this down at some point:
[05:53] <fowlduck> howdy Hobbsee
[05:54] <fowlduck> kk
[05:54] <lifeless> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=378049
[05:54] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 378049 in python-opensync "Subject: python-opensync: python-gammu broken" [Grave,Open] 
[05:55] <lifeless> the NMU which switched to -central fucks the symlink installs of the library so
[06:00] <Fujitsu> crimsun, could you please check the merge I mentioned a few minutes back?
[06:01] <Fujitsu> http://people.ubuntu-au.org/~fujitsu/gaby_2.0.2-7ubuntu1.dsc and http://people.ubuntu-au.org/~fujitsu/gaby_2.0.2-7ubuntu1.diff.gz
[06:01] <Fujitsu> Working, Hobbsee?
[06:02] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: mostly
[06:03] <Fujitsu> Heheh. Mostly...
[06:03] <Fujitsu> I doubt it.
[06:03] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: something's up with my version of kopete
[06:03] <Fujitsu> How?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: i cant install the newer version - seems that the version is kdenetwork hasnt been disabled yet
[06:04] <Fujitsu> Silly broken KDE :P
[06:05] <fowlduck> Laser_away, ping
[06:05] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:06] <fowlduck> anyone have a link to someting explaining how to create patches to be used with packaging?  The code needs to be modified to comply with standards
[06:06] <fowlduck> but you're not supposed to mess with the code...
[06:07] <Fujitsu> Write a patch, add to debian/patches, modify debian/control to use the patch...
[06:07] <Fujitsu> Or add the simple-patches or whatever it is module if it's using CDBS.
[06:07] <Fujitsu> I'm not sure where it's all documented...
[06:08] <Fujitsu> Probably the Debian New Maintainer's Guide.
[06:08] <Hobbsee> documentation on patching...hmmm...i'd google that
[06:09] <Fujitsu> And now, back to class I go.
[06:09] <fowlduck> didnt know that there was such a thing, debian/patches
[06:10] <Hobbsee> fowlduck: yeah, there is.  it's kinda useful
[06:10] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[06:10] <fowlduck> this will be my first
[06:12] <fowlduck> well, this is a strange circumstance
[06:13] <fowlduck> rather obscure and small program
[06:13] <fowlduck> yet very very very very very (did I mention very?) useful
[06:14] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:15] <crimsun> sorry, tech support atm
[06:15] <crimsun> I'll rescan backscroll when I'm finished
[06:27] <Hobbsee> yay :)
[06:27] <Hobbsee> Sysinfo for 'sarah': Linux 2.6.17-5-686 running KDE 3.5.3, CPU: MobileIntel(R)Celeron(R)CPU2.40GHz at 2394 MHz (4793 bogomips), , RAM: 360/995MB, 116 proc's, 4.21min up
[06:27] <Hobbsee> excellent ;)
[06:27] <Hobbsee> now to sort out kopete...
[06:30] <Hawkwind> That's Edgy ?
[06:31] <crimsun> I presume so
[06:32] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:34] <fowlduck> is there anything special that should go in the changelog for the first packaging?
[06:34] <Hobbsee> fowlduck: * Initial Release?
[06:35] <fowlduck> I put "Initial release and packaging."
[06:35] <fowlduck> good enough? :)
[06:43] <crimsun> either is fine.
[06:44] <crimsun> Fujitsu: do you mean gaby?
[06:54] <fowlduck> crimsun, how do I use multiple paragraphs in the control file.  Does \n work?
[06:54] <crimsun> fowlduck: in what section?
[06:54] <fowlduck> description
[06:54] <crimsun> use '.' on a newline
[06:54] <crimsun> new line^
[06:54] <fowlduck> in the package section
[06:55] <fowlduck> so this is a paragraph
[06:55] <fowlduck> .
[06:55] <fowlduck> and so is this
[06:55] <crimsun> yes
[06:55] <fowlduck> ???
[06:55] <fowlduck> ok, thx
[06:57] <fowlduck> yay, first package is complete
[06:57] <Fujitsu> crimsun, yeah. THe one I linked to.
[06:57] <fowlduck> now to upload to REVU
[06:58] <heretician> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo#1 - is that note above [1]  sarcastic or..?
[06:58] <Fujitsu> Which package, fowlduck?
[06:58] <fowlduck> Fujitsu, mac-robber
[06:58] <Fujitsu> What does it do?
[06:58] <fowlduck> timeline util for computer forensics
[06:58] <fowlduck> similar to grave-robber
[06:59] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[06:59] <fowlduck> Fujitsu, http://sleuthkit.org/mac-robber/desc.php
[06:59] <fowlduck> if you're interested
[07:00] <Fujitsu> Ah, part of sleuthkit.
[07:00] <fowlduck> no
[07:00] <fowlduck> but can be used with it
[07:00] <Fujitsu> OK.
[07:01] <fowlduck> heh, no idea how to sign an email
[07:02] <fowlduck> guess i gotta bust out the evolution
[07:17] <cbx33> anyone awake here ?
[07:17] <Hobbsee> cbx33: nope
[07:18] <cbx33> I'm packaging a package as some of you know
[07:18] <cbx33> and I've used some icons from gnome-icon-theme
[07:18] <cbx33> someone mentioned I need to put that in the copyright file
[07:18] <cbx33> which I did, basically saying the icons came from gnome-icon-theme
[07:19] <cbx33> I was then told I needed to cite the copyright holders of the icons
[07:19] <cbx33> but I can't find that information out from the copyright file of gnome-icon-theme
[07:19] <cbx33> what should I do?
[07:20] <cbx33> could do,
[07:21] <cbx33> but I'm no artist
[07:21] <Hobbsee> no point reinventing the wheel
[07:22] <cbx33> that was my thought
[07:22] <cbx33> but it seems to be taking me forever to get this package into universe, on this point
[07:22] <cbx33> :(
[07:27] <cbx33> So no guidence on this issue at the moment then?
[07:27] <cbx33> :p
[07:49] <crimsun> cbx33: what does g-i-t's debian/copyright have?
[07:59] <cbx33> crimsun, just ya standard copyright
[07:59] <cbx33> crimsun, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/g/gnome-icon-theme/gnome-icon-theme_2.14.2-0ubuntu2/gnome-icon-theme.copyright
[07:59] <crimsun> cbx33: what about the individual files in the source package?
[07:59] <cbx33> I havn't looked at those yet
[08:00] <cbx33> I'll have to do that when I get to work
[08:00] <crimsun> right, that's where I'd look nice.
[08:00] <crimsun> next
[08:00] <cbx33> ok,
[08:00] <crimsun> obviously my lack of coffee is affecting typing
[08:00] <cbx33> but they won't be in the actual binary image files will they? or part of the EXIF information?
[08:02] <crimsun> haven't looked, but look at the ChangeLog
[08:03] <cbx33> you mean this
[08:03] <cbx33> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/g/gnome-icon-theme/gnome-icon-theme_2.14.2-0ubuntu2/changelog
[08:05] <crimsun> Alexander Larsson, James Willcox, jacob berkman, Christian Neumair, Kjartan Maraas, Christian Rose, Evandro Fernandes Giovanini, Ole Laursen, Jordi Mallach, Christophe Merlet, Andras Timar, Jakub Steiner, Yanko Kaneti, Pablo Saratxaga, Artis Trops, Alessio Frusciante, Zbigniew Chyla, Abel Cheung, Pauli Virtanen, Dmitry G. Mastrukov, Laurent Dhima, Fatih Demir, Marius Andreiana, He Qiangqiang, Yuriy Syrota, Stanislav Visnovsky, Takeshi 
[08:05] <crimsun> no, I mean the upstream Changelog
[08:05] <crimsun> gnome-icon-theme-2.14.2/ChangeLog
[08:06] <cbx33> ok
[08:06] <cbx33> thankx crimsun
[08:07] <cbx33> bbl
[08:40] (Fujitsu/#ubuntu-motu) Where does ubuntulog log to?
[08:42] <Hobbsee> hi Seveas.  what are you killing now?
[08:42] <Seveas> you
[08:42] <Hobbsee> ooh goody!
[08:44] <crimsun> Fujitsu: people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[08:48] <Fujitsu> Thanks, crimsun.
[09:24] (crimsun/#ubuntu-motu) the icon should be merged upstream upstream; in the meantime keep the icon diff
[09:24] (Fujitsu/#ubuntu-motu) OK.
[09:25] <Fujitsu> It's just a standard X icon, though! Shouldn't it not be duplicated upstream?
[09:26] <crimsun> upstream should choose a suitable icon
[09:26] <crimsun> sync requests Ok'd.
[09:26] <Fujitsu> OK.
[09:26] <Fujitsu> Thanks :D
[09:39] <Fujitsu> Should I note somewhere in the changelog the remaining diff?
[09:39] <crimsun> yes
[09:44] <heretician> Is there a way to change a .bin into a tar or does it not have the required dependencies?
[10:02] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: have you thought about http://www.ubuntu.com/employment#head-ee181be4e2f101318f548b6e62a74711085e9224 ?
[10:03] <Hobbsee> crimsun: that looks like a good job for him, actually.
[10:03] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  Hmm?
[10:03] <Fujitsu> crimsun, did you see my gaby merge?
[10:04] <crimsun> Fujitsu: it's on my HD, but I'm still queued
[10:04] <Fujitsu> Ah. OK.
[10:04] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  If I was that great at coding then maybe.  I haven't actually tried the backport-security-fixes thing, much less writing my own security fixes.  I can do rats/flawfinder but I'm sure sabdfl has Coverity or something reviewing everything ;)
[10:04] <crimsun> eh, go ahead and apply for it.
[10:04] <bluefoxicy> despite seeming to know everything .. :P
[10:05] <Hobbsee> bluefoxicy: go and apply for it anyway.  they might say no, but they might say yes.
[10:06] <bluefoxicy> Hobbsee:  I'm more worried about "they might say yes, and then you might find out you really can't do it"
[10:06] <Hobbsee> bluefoxicy: yeah, that is true.
[10:07] <Fujitsu> Can't they just clone pitti? :P
[10:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[10:08] <bluefoxicy> Hobbsee: "Familiarity with responsible (coordinated) disclosure practices"  My tongue would bleed a lot.
[10:08] <bluefoxicy> I am a full disclosure guy
[10:08] <Hobbsee> bluefoxicy: you could learn not to be, but yeah.
[10:08] <Fujitsu> Heh
[10:09] <crimsun> why would you think you can't do it?
[10:09] <crimsun> have a little self-confidence and egotism!
[10:09] <crimsun> after all, no one knows everything (or very much of anything, really)...
[10:10] <Fujitsu> There shouldn't be a .man as well as a source in a source package, should there?
[10:10] <crimsun> I say it to everyone.
[10:11] <crimsun> Fujitsu: meaning a manual page?
[10:11] <crimsun> Fujitsu: not necessarily. Of course "best practice" would mean "yes, there is [at least]  one"
[10:11] <Fujitsu> crimsun, the Ubuntu one has a .man, the Debian one doesn't, but they both have the manpage sources.
[10:12] <crimsun> Fujitsu: meaning Debian generates it at compile-time?
[10:12] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  Oh hell why not.
[10:12] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: damn straight
[10:12] <Fujitsu> crimsun, as does Ubuntu.
[10:12] <crimsun> Fujitsu: then it doesn't matter. As long as it's installed in the final package.
[10:13] <Hobbsee> bluefoxicy: good man.
[10:13] <Fujitsu> crimsun, so I'll minimise the delta and remove it.
[10:13] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  I keep skipping on job offers because I'm afraid if I screw up on the job it costs someone else money, and I don't want to take the risk on someone else's wallet.  I'll screw myself pretty readily.
[10:13] <crimsun> Hobbsee: self-confidence should not be a factor. The only reason to wait is to accumulate an "undeniable track record".
[10:14] <Hobbsee> crimsun: heh, because then you have little chance of being rejected.   i guess.
[10:14] <crimsun> Hobbsee: when your track record speaks for itself, things are much easier.
[10:15] <Fujitsu> How should the changelog entry be formatted?
[10:15] <Hobbsee> crimsun: true.
[10:15] <crimsun> Fujitsu: specificially...?
[10:15] <crimsun> -cally
[10:15] <Fujitsu> Well, you said I should mention the remaining differences.
[10:16] <crimsun> yes, what files does the Ubuntu diff cover that Debian's doesn't?
[10:16] <Fujitsu> The icon.
[10:16] <crimsun> note that.
[10:16] <Fujitsu> OK.
[10:16] <crimsun> that's pretty much it.
[10:17] <crimsun> sometimes I don't flesh it out thoroughly if I know a few changelog items below I've already done it.
[10:17] <Fujitsu> The icon hasn't been specifically mentioned before, just the .desktop.
[10:17] <Fujitsu> `* Merge from debian unstable.
[10:17] <Fujitsu> Hmm... I don't know how to write this...
[10:17] <crimsun> sure, just note the icon bit so the next person who merges will see it at a glance
[10:18] <crimsun> (that person will probably be you)
[10:18] <Fujitsu> `Icon remaining from Ubuntu' or something like that?
[10:18] <crimsun> I normally put the filename followed by a brief explanation
[10:18] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[10:18] <crimsun> ala: debian/foo.xpm: Not in Debian, so retain
[10:19] <Fujitsu>   * Merge from debian unstable.
[10:19] <Fujitsu>   * debian/xmotd.xpm: Icon retained from Ubuntu as not yet in Debian.
[10:19] <crimsun> I'd make it a subitem under the merge
[10:19] <crimsun> * Merge from debian unstable:
[10:19] <crimsun>   + debian/xmotd.xpm: Icon retained from Ubuntu ..
[10:19] <crimsun> err
[10:20] <crimsun> instead of '+', '-'
[10:20] <crimsun> that's just my formatting style, though
[10:20] <Hobbsee> crimsun: if i want to put a chmod +x /usr/lib/amarok/install-mp3 into debian/rules in amarok (using cdbs), which section do i put it in?
[10:20] <crimsun> Hobbsee: where does it have to be executed?
[10:20] <Hobbsee> crimsun: should be in install: or what?
[10:21] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i'm not sure it matters - just that it does execute when the package is installed.
[10:21] <crimsun> err, then it shouldn't be anywhere near cdbs
[10:21] <Hobbsee> presumably it's install::
[10:21] <Hobbsee> and then having it
[10:21] <crimsun> it should be in postinst or something
[10:21] <Hobbsee> crimsun: why?  it has to go into debian/rules?
[10:21] <Hobbsee> ahhh...
[10:22] <Hobbsee> do i have to do it that way?
[10:22] <crimsun> I'm going based on your wording, though
[10:22] <Hobbsee> crimsun: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/52944
[10:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52944 in amarok "Amarok 1.4 - Install MP3 support fails" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[10:22] <ivoks> hi
[10:22] <Hobbsee> hey ivoks!
[10:22] <ivoks> Hobbsee: hello
[10:23] <crimsun> Hobbsee: let me pull the source
[10:23] <Hobbsee> crimsun: want a pastebin of debian/rules?
[10:24] <Hobbsee> crimsun: http://rafb.net/paste/results/VJHF8625.html
[10:25] <Fujitsu> crimsun, http://people.ubuntu-au.org/~fujitsu/xmotd_1.17.3b-3ubuntu1.diff.gz and http://people.ubuntu-au.org/~fujitsu/xmotd_1.17.3b-3ubuntu1.dsc.
[10:26] <crimsun> Hobbsee: the best way is to make sure it's executable prior. Is debian/install-mp3 executable?
[10:26] <crimsun> Hobbsee: if not, make it so, and the problem has solved itself
[10:27] <Hobbsee> crimsun: that'll do it?
[10:27] <Hobbsee> cool!
[10:30] <bluefoxicy> crimsun:  what is a "CV" and what should I put for salary expectations?
[10:31] <crimsun> curriculum vitae
[10:31] <crimsun> or your rsum
[10:31] <bluefoxicy> ah
[10:31] <bluefoxicy> the accent is only on the last e I think
[10:31] <bluefoxicy> I wouldn't know of course since XKB seems to be broken in edgy enough to stop gnome from giving me an ISO Level 3 shift.... -.-
[10:31] <Fujitsu> Yeah, just the last e.
[10:31] <Fujitsu> Bye, Hobbsee.
[10:35] <Fujitsu> crimsun, another sync. https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xmem/+bug/53217
[10:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53217 in xmem "Please sync 1.20-25 from Debian Sid" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 
[10:35] <crimsun> Ok'd
[10:35] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[10:36] <bluefoxicy> crimsun: no comment on what abouts I should put for salary expectations?  My last job was like, best buy.
[10:36] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: that's not something I can really suggest for you, since you know what you best work with.
[10:37] <crimsun> bluefoxicy: think about your work experience and see what others work with.
[10:37] <crimsun> I wouldn't start with less than US 30k.
[10:38] <crimsun> that's pretty low, too, but you have to weigh a number of factors yourself
[10:38] <bluefoxicy> yeah that's what I was thinking, 30 or 40; although I was going to calculate bare minimum based on my last rate of pay x 40 hour week
[10:39] <crimsun> mull your app over for a day; make it Shine.
[10:40] <bluefoxicy> I usually go for brieverity or do something stupid like follow the job description point by point like it's some kind of battery exam; so yeah I'll stick it in my outbox and think about it a bit.
[10:40] <bluefoxicy> I did just rework my resume
[10:41] <crimsun> Fujitsu: doen.
[10:41] <crimsun> done, rather.
[10:41] <bluefoxicy> anyway, I'll stop crapflooding the channel
[10:41] <Fujitsu> Which, crimsun? xmotd?
[10:41] <crimsun> xmem, gaby, xmotd.
[10:42] <Fujitsu> Ah. Thanks.
[10:43] <crimsun> np
[10:43] <crimsun> away for the morning for work.
[10:43] <Fujitsu> OK, see you later!
[11:02] <cbx33> hi guys
[11:44] <Arbiter> can someone review this package? (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2714) - It's not in Debian or Ubuntu
[11:44] <Arbiter> thanks
[11:47] <cbx33> Arbiter: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/libgimp-cil-0607161340/lintian
[11:47] <cbx33> I maybe new to this, but I think you need to specify a target distribution
[11:47] <Arbiter> it's specified
[11:47] <Arbiter> but unknown to lintian
[11:48] <Arbiter> (edgy)
[11:48] <Arbiter> libgimp-cil source: newer-standards-version 3.7.2 <- this is the default standards version generated by dh_make template files
[11:48] <Gloubiboulga> cbx33, the breezy lintian doesn't know what is edgy ;)
[11:48] <cbx33> ok, but is that the issue, or is it the Section you have placed it in?
[11:49] <cbx33> also the dirs file, is it required ?
[11:49] <cbx33> you have usr/bin and usr/sbin
[11:49] <cbx33> but it appears you are building libraries
[11:49] <Arbiter> that's true... in effect
[11:49] <Arbiter> ;)
[11:50] <cbx33> is Section: misc valid?
[11:50] <Gloubiboulga> yes, but it could be 'lib' I guess
[11:50] <cbx33> and I have been recently told you should clean up your rules file
[11:50] <cbx33> ie, removed the comented out lines
[11:52] <sladen> Arbiter: can you file a bug against lintian that it needs teaching about edgy
[11:53] <cbx33> Arbiter: apart from that, my limited knowledge of packaging says that's all the little things
[11:54] <dholbach> sladen: it knows about edgy
[11:54] <cbx33> dholbach: what's the issue ?
[11:55] <dholbach> cbx33: sladen asked Arbiter to file a bug report about lintian complaining about edgy not being a valid distribution, if i understood correctly
[11:55] <Arbiter> yeah
[11:55] <cbx33> no no I meant why is revu complaining?
[11:55] <dholbach> because it uses dapper?
[11:55] <cbx33> is it using an old lintian?
[11:55] <Gloubiboulga> the edgy lintian knows, not the breezy one, does it?
[11:55] <cbx33> yes that's what I though
[11:55] <dholbach> just a gruess :)
[11:55] <dholbach> or breezy even
[11:56] <cbx33> dholbach: a question about linitian if you have a sec
[11:56] <dholbach> come on guys, you are too clever to be bothered about that :)
[11:56] <dholbach> cbx33: fire away, i'll try to answer :)
[11:56] <cbx33> when I run lintian on it's own with a dsc file I get an error
[11:56] <cbx33> something about
[11:56] <dholbach> what do you mean?
[11:56] <cbx33>  /bin/pwd: cou;dn't find directory in ../../../.. with matching i-node
[11:57] <cbx33> Use of uninitialised value in string at /usr/share/lintian/checks/cruft line 67
[11:57] <cbx33> Can';t stat : No such file or directory at /usr/share/lintian/checks/cruft line 67
[11:58] <cbx33> make sense to anyone?
[11:58] <cbx33> it's in an edgy chroot
[11:58] <dholbach> hm, no idea
[11:58] <cbx33> the dapper version of lintian doesn't do it
[12:01] <Arbiter> i'm uploading the fixed source package
[12:01] <cbx33> :D
[12:01] <cbx33> dholbach: do you have to be MOTU to be REVU?
[12:01] <dholbach> cbx33: to write comments?
[12:02] <cbx33> yes
[12:02] <dholbach> no, you just have to ask one of the admins (I'm not one) to give you those trights
[12:02] <cbx33> who is an admin?
[12:02] <cbx33> I can help with some of the simple stuff
[12:03] <dholbach> siretart, sistpoty, \sh_away for sure
[12:03] <cbx33> actually nevermind
[12:03] <cbx33> I emailed the ma shile ago
[12:03] <cbx33> I'll email again
[12:03] <cbx33> thanks dholbach
[12:08] <cbx33> ping \sh
[12:08] <Arbiter> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2718 <- et voil
[12:08] <Arbiter> cbx33, updated
[12:09] <cbx33> cool
[12:09] <cbx33> Arbiter: looking good
[12:09] <\sh> pong
[12:09] <Arbiter> :)
[12:09] <cbx33> is there any chance I could have comment rights for REVU
[12:10] <cbx33> I was just thinking I could help out with some of the easier stuff
[12:10] <Arbiter> cbx33, so i need only two advocates? :D
[12:10] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter, you don't need to add a changelog entry when you reupload on REVU
[12:10] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter, it'll be the first release for the users anyway
[12:10] <cbx33> Arbiter: indeed
[12:10] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, ow... i didn't know
[12:10] <Arbiter> :)
[12:11] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter, that's why I tell you ;) I'm checking the build now
[12:11] <Arbiter> well
[12:11] <Arbiter> thanks
[12:11] <cbx33> nice Gloubiboulga I havn't got the capability to do that here
[12:11] <Arbiter> ahhh ubuntu ubuntu... i love you :D
[12:11] <cbx33> Arbiter: do you pbuilder all your debs
[12:11] <Arbiter> cbx33, ehm..... ^^'
[12:12] <cbx33> Arbiter: ??? - sorry my brain isn't engaged today
[12:13] <Arbiter> cbx33, most of the dependencies are made with dh_clideps so these are supposed to be correct
[12:13] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter, not the build-deps :)
[12:13] <Arbiter> wops
[12:14] <Arbiter> :D
[12:14] <phanatic> hey Gloubiboulga :)
[12:14] <Gloubiboulga> hi phanatic :)
[12:15] <Arbiter> it's better to install pbuilder :D
[12:15] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter, the package FTBFS, there's a buildlog on the REVU page to see what happened
[12:16] <Gloubiboulga> yes, testing with pbuilder is really needed
[12:24] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, can I ask you about packaging policies?
[12:25] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter, sure
[12:26] <Arbiter> well...
[12:26] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, let's make an example: there's a package in debian called foo-1.0-1 which is in universe...
[12:26] <Arbiter> the package is outdated
[12:27] <Arbiter> i ask the debian package mantainer to update the package because i'm sure that when ubuntu syncs with debian i'll have the updated package
[12:27] <Gloubiboulga> good idea :)
[12:27] <Arbiter> but the maintainer seems to be away for a looooong time
[12:27] <Arbiter> what's the best thing to do?
[12:27] <Arbiter> upload an updated package to REVU?
[12:28] <Gloubiboulga> if you want the package in ubuntu, yes
[12:28] <Arbiter> or wait until the debian maintainer wake up? :D
[12:28] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, but the package would be even be in ubuntu because universe is a sync of sid repos
[12:29] <Gloubiboulga> it'll be synced in ubuntu only if it's in debian, but if nobody takes care of the package in debian, it  just won't happen
[12:30] <Gloubiboulga> so it's easier if the maintainer does his "job", but if he doesn't...
[12:31] <Arbiter> well
[12:32] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter, is there a package you'd like to see updated in ubuntu?
[12:32] <Arbiter> uhm...
[12:33] <Gloubiboulga> let's use a real example :)
[12:33] <Arbiter> since i was a gentoo user i love seeing everything up-to-date :D
[12:33] <Gloubiboulga> hehe
[12:33] <Arbiter> (i always keep a gentoo partition and i'm in contact with the dotnet and java herds in gentoo ;) )
[12:34] <Arbiter> but ubuntu is less time-consuming ;)
[12:36] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, uhm... let me think...
[12:38] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, hahah found: libqt4 is at 4.1.3 while upstream is 4.1.4
[12:38] <Arbiter> :)
[12:39] <Gloubiboulga> hum, a main package
[12:39] <Arbiter> yes :)
[12:40] <cbx33> :S
[12:40] <Gloubiboulga> you'll have to poke our qt/KDE lovers and talk a bit with them about that I guess :)
[12:40] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, maybe you know the CFLAGS used by buildd for x86?
[12:41] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter, hm, no, sorry
[12:42] <Arbiter> ow... i'll need to ask a -core-dev..
[12:43] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, i heard about a sort of indipendence from debian sid repos of ubuntu in the future... is that true? (i'm asking around for confirmations ;) )
[12:45] <Arbiter> Fujitsu, edgy: file conflicts between linux-kernel-heardes and libc6-dev
[12:45] <Fujitsu> Arbiter, already reported.
[12:45] <Arbiter> well
[12:45] <Fujitsu> Bug #53222
[12:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53222 in linux-source-2.6.17 "linux-kernel-headers 2.6.17-5.13 has a file conflict with libc6-dev" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53222
[12:48] <Arbiter> pff i need to get this fixed before using pbuilder
[12:51] <cbx33> oh dear
[12:51] <cbx33> sorry Arbiter
[12:51] <Arbiter> heh
[12:51] <Arbiter> :D
[12:51] <Arbiter> pbuilder fails on same package :D
[12:52] <Arbiter> i'll recompile my 2.6.17 kernel then ;)
[01:03] <siretart> cbx33: pong
[01:04] <Gloubiboulga> Arbiter, I don't know about this independance thing, but I know we can't take care of all the universe packages without using sid
[01:04] <cbx33> hi siretart
[01:04] <cbx33> would it be possible to get comment rights on the REVU site?
[01:05] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, uhm...
[01:05] <cbx33> I was just helping ur Arbiter and it would have been good to document them on REVU, I can help out with the easy stuff :p
[01:05] <siretart> cbx33: ah, whats your lp id? and what email address do you use for revu?
[01:06] <Arbiter> i need to go for a while
[01:06] <Arbiter> see you later
[01:06] <dholbach> see you Arbiter
[01:06] <Gloubiboulga> bye Arbiter
[01:08] <cbx33> siretart: petesavage@ubuntu.com - PeteSavage
[01:08] <cbx33> that ok?
[01:11] <siretart> cbx33: I see that you are not a MOTU yet, we agreed that time, that in general we allow only universe uploaders to comment on packages
[01:11] <siretart> cbx33: is there a universe uploader advocating you?
[01:11] <ogra> siretart, yes :)
[01:13] <siretart> ok
[01:13] <siretart> I don't have too much overview in revu comments, lately. thats why I'm asking
[01:13] <ogra>  didnt comment on the package
[01:14] <ogra> but i'm fine being the upload slave and doing the final check
[01:14] <siretart> >> /srv/revu1/scripts/alter_user.py  -e petesavage@ubuntu.com -l reviewer
[01:14] <siretart> Altering petesavage@ubuntu.com to level reviewer
[01:15] <cbx33> thanks siretart
[01:16] <cbx33> is it lp login details?
[01:17] <cbx33> or do I use a different username / password combination siretart ?
[01:21] <Gloubiboulga> cbx33, it's your usual login for REVU
[01:21] <Gloubiboulga> e.g. the mail adress you've used in your packages uploaded there
[01:22] <cbx33> ok, and the password?
[01:22] <Gloubiboulga> trry to log without password, and you'll get a link to recover it
[01:23] <cbx33> ok cool
[01:23] <cbx33> thanks
[01:23] <Gloubiboulga> np
[01:49] <Enverex> I'm trying to read the howto on making Ubuntu packages but I think my head is going to explode...
[01:50] <Fujitsu> Enverex, why?
[01:51] <Enverex> It's making little to no sense, it talks about things as if you already know what those things all are...
[01:51] <Enverex> (refering to the CDBS page especially on the doc.ubuntu site)
[01:52] <phanatic> Enverex: what are those things?
[01:52] <Enverex> The guides previous to that all refer to downloading an existing package of that program and comparing it, which doesn't work if I'm trying to make a package for something that isn't in the repo already..
[01:53] <Enverex> the debian/rules and such
[01:56] <imbrandon> Enverex, yea at the begning of the document it says its targeted for new people trying to learn to package thus by editing existing packages, that new packages and such arent in the scope of the document ( although once you read through that you can look at the debian packing guide its has more on new pkgs )
[01:56] <Enverex> grr, even worse I've picked something that comes in two pieces >.<
[01:57] <Enverex> ah, I think I've found the bit where I make them, hmm, not entirely sure what to put in all of them though
[01:58] <Enverex> heh, this is harder than making Gentoo ebuilds
[01:58] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:00] <imbrandon> that that dosent kill you makes you stronger, but that makes sense ( the gentoo thing ) if you think about it, there has to be a hard part somewhere ( read: someone has to do it ) but in gentoo is setting up / configuring packages / ebuilds thus the "end user" and debian / ubuntu its packaing thus the developer / maintainer ;)
[02:01] <Enverex> hmm, possible issue here, the program version is 1.62-5 so would that mean I need to put it as 1.62-5-0 ?
[02:01] <imbrandon> no
[02:02] <imbrandon> 1.62-5ubuntu1
[02:02] <imbrandon> is that from debian or upstream like that ?
[02:03] <Enverex> Upstream version is 1.62-5 so I thought it needed -0 for the debian bit then ubuntu1 on the end, heh
[02:03] <imbrandon> we most of the time except when upstream versions weird like that
[02:03] <Mithrandir> Enverex: yes, it does.
[02:03] <imbrandon> might poke crimsun to make sure , err Mithrandir
[02:03] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:04] <Enverex> soo... 1.62-5-0ubuntu1 ?
[02:04] <Mithrandir> if the actual upstream version is 1.62-5, the Debian version would be 1.62-5-1, 1.62-5-1, etc and we'd have 1.62-5-1ubuntu1, 1.62-5-1ubuntu2, etc.
[02:04] <Enverex> erm, actually I'm not sure if it's in Debian, how do I check?
[02:04] <Mithrandir> it looks weird, I agree.
[02:04] <Mithrandir> look at packages.debian.org
[02:04] <Mithrandir> and if not, just leave the Debian version at 0 and tag ubuntu1, ubuntu2 at the end.
[02:04] <imbrandon> heh Enverex you probable should have looked in debian sid first , but packages.debian.org
[02:05] <Enverex> Debian Search disabled
[02:05] <Enverex> The Debian search engine has been disabled for now. We're working on it.
[02:05] <imbrandon> give it an hour or two, prob just maint
[02:05] <Mithrandir> Enverex: pft, just go to http://packages.debian.org/$packagename and it works fine.
[02:05] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:05] <imbrandon> moins Mithrandir ;P
[02:05] <Enverex> doh, It's in Debian
[02:05] <Enverex> all this effort
[02:06] <imbrandon> Enverex, well its a learning exp you said right ;) compair what you did with theirs to see ;)
[02:07] <Enverex> Theirs is oolite_1.62-5-2 so would I make mine 1.62-5-2ubuntu1 ?
[02:07] <imbrandon> but if you want it included in ubuntu ultimately use the debian version and make only the absolute ness changes
[02:07] <imbrandon> Enverex, exactly
[02:07] <Enverex> hmm, erm, would it even need changing?
[02:07] <imbrandon> well if there are no changes no
[02:07] <imbrandon> i dont think so
[02:08] <imbrandon> its just a sync
[02:08] <Enverex> eep, dependency not satisfiable
[02:08] <imbrandon> ahh see changes needed ;P are you doing this in an edgy chroot ? is your goal to get it into ubuntu ? sorry just trying to point ya in the right direction
[02:09] <Enverex> I'm on Dapper and I'm just trying to get it into Ubuntu
[02:09] <imbrandon> k , well if its on p.d.o then MOST LIKELY its in edgy
[02:09] <imbrandon> might look there also
[02:09] <Enverex> erm, where is "there" heh?
[02:10] <imbrandon> packages.ubuntu.com
[02:10] <imbrandon> search in edgy packages
[02:10] <Enverex> nope
[02:10] <Enverex> I did a search in "any" to make sure
[02:12] <Enverex> Damn! e-uae isn't on Ubuntu either, no usable Amiga emulators, blasphamy, I need to make a package for that too then
[02:12] <Enverex> assuming I ever figure out how to
[02:14] <cbx33> Gloubiboulga: I don;t think it worked
[02:15] <cbx33> ah I think I know why
[02:17] <Enverex> Erm, how do I find out what programs and versions it depends on?
[02:17] <Fujitsu> Enverex, you need to work that out :P
[02:18] <cbx33> ping siretart
[02:18] <cbx33> sorry to bother you again
[02:18] <Enverex> ... how?
[02:19] <siretart> cbx33: yes?
[02:19] <cbx33> ok, here's the problem
[02:19] <cbx33> :p
[02:19] <cbx33> can you setup my user with the email debug@silentkeystroke.co.uk
[02:19] <cbx33> as my ubuntu one isn't tied to my gpg key
[02:19] <cbx33> and I can't change my key from here
[02:20] <cbx33> sorry to be a pain
[02:20] <cbx33> or is that a bad idea?
[02:20] <siretart> but you are using your @ubuntu.com email in your packages?
[02:20] <cbx33> yes
[02:20] <cbx33> ok
[02:20] <siretart> and havn't it associated with your keyring?!
[02:20] <cbx33> not to worry
[02:20] <cbx33> I'll add it to my key when I get home
[02:21] <siretart> well, I could create you another user with debug@silentkeystroke.co.uk
[02:21] <cbx33> no it's ok
[02:21] <siretart> then you'll have 2
[02:21] <cbx33> I'll do it properly
[02:21] <siretart> ok.
[02:21] <siretart> but ping me again when its done to resync the keyring
[02:21] <cbx33> sorry for being a nuciense
[02:21] <siretart> to fetch the new id
[02:21] <cbx33> ok thank you so much
[02:21] <siretart> no worrty
[02:21] <siretart> no problemm
[02:22] <Enverex> I give up =/
[02:28] <shawarma> I'm debugging something in nautilus and/or gnomevfs.. Both have a -dbg version. for executables I just call e.g. /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/nautilus, right? What about libraries? Do I just add /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/ to my LD_LIBRARY_PATH ?
[02:28] <Fujitsu> WHY is carpaltunnel's current version 0.0.9ubuntu1? Isn't that illegal?
[02:29] <phanatic> hey Hobbsee
[02:29] <Fujitsu> Yeah, hi Hobbsee!
[02:29] <shawarma> Fujitsu: Why would that be illegal?
[02:29] <siretart> shawarma: AFAIU, gdb is smart enough to search in those dir automatically
[02:30] <Hobbsee> hi phanatic, Fujitsu, and everyone else
[02:30] <Fujitsu> shawarma, it should be 0.0.9-1ubuntu2 instead.
[02:30] <shawarma> Fujitsu: Maybe it's a debian native package.
[02:30] <shawarma> Fujitsu: I'm not familiar with that particular package..
[02:31] <Fujitsu> Hmm... Looks like it might be.
[02:31] <Fujitsu> Except the new Debian version is 0.0.9-0.1
[02:31] <shawarma> Fujitsu: Hmm... the version in debian stable is 0.0.9, but the one in testing is 0.0.9-0.1
[02:31] <Enverex> How do I work out what the dependencies for something are?
[02:32] <Fujitsu> Yeah, that's my point. Impossible to sync, so I'll have to redo a merge.
[02:32] <Enverex> (for the control file)
[02:32] <cbx33> siretart: I just uploaded to keyserver.mine.nu
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Enverex: guess, and check in pbuilder.  trial and error
[02:32] <shawarma> Fujitsu: Maybe it started as a Debian native package, but was turned into a non-debian project.
[02:32] <cbx33> the key appears good from here
[02:32] <Enverex> erm, what section would a machine emulator come under?
[02:32] <Enverex> Hobbsee, Trial and error? Damn
[02:32] <shawarma> siretart: Oh... clever!
[02:34] <Enverex> Maybe I'd be better off just requesting someone to make this package =/ It'd probably be faster :(
[02:34] <Fujitsu> Enverex, I could try. What is it?
[02:35] <Fujitsu> (I haven't published a package before, but I've made a couple for various reasons)
[02:35] <Enverex> Erm, I was looking at two, E-UAE and OOLite. I'd like to be able to make them myself and "give back to the community" but I think I'm going to give myself a brain haemorage
[02:35] <Fujitsu> Hehhe.
[02:35] <Fujitsu> Debian packaging is like that for the first while.
[02:35] <Fujitsu> Keep trying, you'll get it.
[02:35] <Enverex> It's insane, plus there are no lamens guides
[02:35] <cbx33> It takes a while
[02:42] <Enverex> The rules file is what is killing me, I don't know what to put
[02:43] <Gloubiboulga> don't you use dh_make to generate a template?
[02:43] <Enverex> I didn't know I could
[02:43] <Gloubiboulga> I'll certainly help you a bit
[02:43] <Enverex> hmm, don't have it, 1 sec
[02:44] <Gloubiboulga> you need to apt-get install dh-make
[02:47] <Enverex> grr, why does it say Email-Address   : enverex@unknown
[02:47] <Gloubiboulga> use the '-e youremail@address' option
[02:47] <Fujitsu> Enverex, because you haven't got the EMAIL environment variable set appropriately.
[02:48] <Fujitsu> ... which you can work around like Gloubiboulga said.
[02:48] <cbx33> or you can set the settings in a conf file
[02:48] <Gloubiboulga> ah yes, I always forget the EMAIL env variable :)
[02:48] <Enverex> ah, may have been because I was root
[02:48] <Fujitsu> There we go... New carpaltunnel with a proper version number.
[02:48] <Fujitsu> Anybody around to sponsor my re-upload?
[02:49] <Enverex> GRR
[02:49] <Gloubiboulga> Fujitsu, it's a merge?
[02:49] <cbx33> Fujitsu: do you need some one to advocate or take a look?
[02:49] <Fujitsu> Gloubiboulga, no, a sync, but disguised as a merge.
[02:49] <cbx33> hehehe
[02:49] <Fujitsu> It's actually a sync, but Kamion rejected my sync request.
[02:49] <Fujitsu> The current Ubuntu version is 0.0.9ubuntu1, and the Debian one 0.0.9-0.1
[02:49] <Gloubiboulga> Fujitsu, why do't you request a sync then?
[02:50] <Gloubiboulga> ah yes, ok
[02:50] <Fujitsu> Syncing won't work, I already tried.
[02:50] <tseng> sigh
[02:50] <Fujitsu> http://people.ubuntu-au.org/~fujitsu/carpaltunnel_0.0.9ubuntu2.dsc and http://people.ubuntu-au.org/~fujitsu/carpaltunnel_0.0.9ubuntu2.tar.gz
[02:50] <Enverex> What section would a machine emulator come under?
[02:50] <cbx33> hmmm
[02:54] <Gloubiboulga> Fujitsu, why did you change the changelog entry for 0.0.9-0.1? you replaced the DD name with yours
[02:54] <Fujitsu> Did I?
[02:54] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[02:54] <Gloubiboulga> :)
[02:54] <Fujitsu> Oh yes, I accidentally ran dch -e first
[02:54] <Enverex> lol
[02:55] <Enverex> gpg: skipped "Ben Hodgetts <ben@atomnet.co.uk>": secret key not available -  gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available
[02:55] <Enverex> Bleh?
[02:56] <Tonio_> hi
[02:56] <Gloubiboulga> hello Tonio_
[02:56] <Enverex> What am I doing wrong/missing?
[02:57] <cbx33> Enverex: you sure your key is there
[02:57] <cbx33> :p
[02:57] <Enverex> No
[02:57] <cbx33> you have a key?
[02:57] <Enverex> I have no idea what it is, where it comes from or how I get one
[02:57] <Enverex> Hence: no
[02:57] <cbx33> ah
[02:57] <cbx33> You need to make a gpg key, so you can sign packages
[02:57] <Enverex> I did make a key a while back in Seahorse though
[02:58] <cbx33> is it around?
[02:58] <Fujitsu> I've reuploaded them, Gloubiboulga.
[02:58] <Enverex> Yeah, it's still here...
[02:59] <cbx33> is it using the same email address?
[02:59] <Enverex> yeah
[02:59] <cbx33> do gpg --list-keys
[02:59] <cbx33> check there is a key for that meila address
[02:59] <cbx33> gpg --list-keys | grep <email>
[02:59] <Enverex> Yeah, it's there
[02:59] <cbx33> hmmm
[02:59] <Enverex> Ben Hodgetts (EHS Key) <ben@atomnet.co.uk>
[02:59] <cbx33> and you have the secret key there too?
[03:00] <Enverex> There is a pub above it and a sub below it
[03:00] <cbx33> hmm seems ok
[03:01] <cbx33> what about doing
[03:01] <cbx33> gpg --edit-key <email>
[03:01] <Enverex> Is it because it has (EHS Key) in the name?
[03:01] <cbx33> does it say secret key is available?
[03:02] <Enverex> yup
[03:02] <cbx33> when you run that above command?
[03:02] <cbx33> even stranger...I remember having this issue once before
[03:02] <Fujitsu> It will probably be because of the comment.
[03:02] <cbx33> oh how so?
[03:03] <Fujitsu> Because it'll look for the key matching the uploader, and the two strings won't match.
[03:03] <cbx33> hmmm.....
[03:03] <Fujitsu> You may want to try adding a new identity, this time leaving out the (EHS key)
[03:03] <cbx33> but I have a comment in mine and it works fine
[03:03] <Fujitsu> You have no other identities?
[03:03] <Fujitsu> Or UIDs, whatever the terminology.
[03:04] <Enverex> Nope
[03:04] <Enverex> I'll make a new one
[03:07] <Enverex> yup, worked
[03:07] <cbx33> :D
[03:07] <Fujitsu> Good!
[03:08] <Enverex> hmm, I think I've made a source package rather than binary =/
[03:08] <Enverex> I'm confused =/
[03:08] <Fujitsu> Enverex, a binary package is created from the source package.
[03:08] <Enverex> dpkg-buildpackage: source only upload (original source is included)
[03:09] <Enverex> erm... where did it put it? lol
[03:10] <Fujitsu> Enverex, probably in the parent directory.
[03:10] <cbx33> it's normally one directory back fro mthe source
[03:10] <Enverex> ah yes
[03:10] <Enverex> e-uae_0.8.29-WIP2-1.dsc
[03:12] <Enverex> whoops, forgot to change the changelog file
[03:13] <Enverex> I was using  dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot , should I not use the S?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Enverex: you should be using -S and -sa in there, along with the other commands
[03:14] <Enverex> hmm, I'm following the guide, heh
[03:15] <Enverex> ... er
[03:15] <Enverex> This time it said dpkg-buildpackage: source only, diff-only upload (original source NOT included)
[03:16] <bjp> everex: that's because you didn't use the -sa option
[03:18] <Enverex> It still looks far too small...
[03:18] <Enverex> -rw-r--r-- 1 enverex enverex   602 2006-07-17 14:18 e-uae_0.8.29-WIP2-0ubuntu1.dsc
[03:19] <Gloubiboulga> .dsc is always small
[03:19] <bjp> that's because the source is in the source archive, located in the same folder as the .dsc file
[03:19] <Enverex> ah, so it grabs that too, I see
[03:19] <Enverex> makes sense
[03:20] <Enverex> Forgot about that, heh
[03:21] <bjp> right, if you dput your package, the source archives are uploaded by dput as well
[03:21] <bjp> :)
[03:21] <Enverex> Now to work out the deps...
[03:23] <shawarma> How can I tell if gdb uses the libgnomevfs from /usr/lib/debug ?
[03:23] <Fujitsu> I'd better be off to bed. Goodnight, everybody!
[03:23] <Enverex> Night
[03:24] <bjp> guys, I've uploaded a package for Flamerobin last week. Are there any actions I have to take after I've uploaded it, or do I just have to 'sit back and relax' until it is being reviewed? :)
[03:24] <Gloubiboulga> good night Fujitsu
[03:24] <Fujitsu> Thanks, Gloubiboulga :)
[03:27] <Hobbsee> bjp: yeah, you have to give a link to us here
[03:28] <Arbiter> Hobbsee!!! :D
[03:28] <Arbiter> hi!
[03:28] <Arbiter> :D
[03:28] <Enverex> erm
[03:28] <Hobbsee> hi Arbiter
[03:28] <Enverex> zlib-bin is a package on the packages.ubuntu site, but when I put it as a dep I get...
[03:28] <Enverex> E: Couldn't find package zlib-bin
[03:29] <Enverex> If something wants zlib what package do I use?
[03:29] <nixternal> dapper or edgy?
[03:29] <Enverex> dapper
[03:29] <nixternal> i see it
[03:29] <nixternal> nixternal@MasTequila:~$ sudo apt-get install zlib
[03:29] <nixternal> zlib1        zlib1-dev    zlib1g       zlib1g-dev   zlib1g-udeb  zlib-bin     zlibc
[03:29] <Enverex> well pbuilder doesn't
[03:29] <nixternal> ahhhh
[03:29] <nixternal> k
[03:29] <nixternal> 
[03:30] <bjp> Hobbsee: thanks
[03:30] <Arbiter> Enverex, it's in the "universe" component
[03:30] <shawarma> nixternal: How do you type ""?
[03:30] <Enverex> How do I enable universe for pbuilder?
[03:30] <Arbiter> maybe you haven't added universe
[03:30] <nixternal> shawarma: it is an alias
[03:30] <bjp> so I've made an Ubuntu package for Flamerobin and uploaded it last week (July 12th)
[03:30] <bjp> it is available at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2688
[03:30] <nixternal> i copied the smiley from someone else and added it as an alias
[03:30] <Arbiter> Enverex, --othermirror "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu <distro> universe multiverse"
[03:30] <bjp> hopefully some of you can review it :)
[03:30] <nixternal> so when i do ; + ) i get 
[03:31] <Arbiter> it's a switch
[03:31] <Arbiter> where <distro> maybe "dapper" in your case
[03:31] <shawarma> nixternal: Which irc client?
[03:31] <nixternal> konversation
[03:31] <Arbiter> "edgy" in my case :D
[03:31] <shawarma> nixternal: Ah.. Maybe irssi can do something similar.
[03:32] <nixternal> yes shawarma, but im an irssi no0b once again cuz i stoped using it a long time ago
[03:32] <nixternal> it is a simple replace alias
[03:32] <Arbiter> i'm trying ubuntu on xfs (always used reiserfs)
[03:32] <Arbiter> ;)
[03:32] <Enverex> How easy is it to upgrade versions of Ubuntu?
[03:32] <Enverex> E: Couldn't find package zlib
[03:32] <Enverex> W: Unable to locate package zlib
[03:32] <Enverex> Still doesn't work
[03:33] <shawarma> nixternal: Right. I'll figure something out.
[03:33] <dholbach> Enverex: very easy.
[03:33] <dholbach> Enverex: the package 'zlib' never existed in Ubuntu: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=zlib
[03:33] <Enverex> I tried zlib-bin which should do but that doesn't work either
[03:34] <Arbiter> Enverex, have you followed the guide located here: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/gs-pbuilder.html ?
[03:35] <Enverex> No, I'm on a different one
[03:35] <Arbiter> heh :)
[03:35] <Enverex> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/basic-scratch.html
[03:35] <Enverex> E: Couldn't find package zlib-bin
[03:35] <Enverex> W: Unable to locate package zlib-bin
[03:35] <Enverex> E: Could not satisfy build-dependency.
[03:35] <Enverex> ARGH
[03:35] <Enverex> I'm begging to get annoyed now
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Enverex: Arbiter part of the same guide.
[03:36] <Arbiter> Enverex, but the page i told is a guide on howto to setup pbuilder
[03:36] <Arbiter> *how to setup pbuilder*
[03:36] <Arbiter> ehm...
[03:37] <Arbiter> ;)
[03:37] <Enverex> I followed that initially, heh
[03:37] <Enverex> grrr, this is as tedious as Gentoo
[03:38] <Arbiter> making .debs is not as easy as making gentoo ebuilds :P
[03:38] <Enverex> The question is why is it so damn hard, heh, and I FEEL I have to do it aswell. All I ever got from the Gentoo "support" was "omg noob this is FOSS fix/build/make/write it yourself, that's the point of linux, idiot"
[03:39] <Arbiter> hehehe
[03:39] <Enverex> So I said fkit and left
[03:40] <Enverex> At least with support on Windows they don't tell you to re-write the software yourself to fix it
[03:40] <Arbiter> Enverex, they don't let you revwrite the software... it's different ;)
[03:42] <Yagisan> Enverex: you need zlib as a duild-dep ?
[03:42] <Yagisan> s/duild-dep/build-dep
[03:42] <Enverex> yeah
[03:42] <Yagisan> Enverex: zlib1g-dev
[03:42] <Enverex> It's ok, seems to be working now
[03:43] <Enverex> or not..
[03:43] <Arbiter> i need to switch to text-mode for a while
[03:43] <Arbiter> i'll be back... see you later
[03:43] <Arbiter> ;)
[03:43] <Enverex> Do I HAVE to keep entering my passkey for the build all the time?
[03:44] <Yagisan> Enverex: not if you install a gpg-agent, such as seahorse (and remember to enable it)
[03:45] <Enverex> It's installed
[03:45] <dholbach> i think you have to start  seahorse-agent
[03:45] <dholbach> and to save your session afterwards
[03:45] <dholbach> (it'd be nice to have that in the MOTU/FAQ)
[03:46] <Enverex> erk, build failed
[03:47] <Enverex> xwin.c:17:22: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
[03:47] <Enverex> xwin.c:18:23: error: X11/Xutil.h: No such file or directory
[03:47] <Enverex> xwin.c:19:24: error: X11/keysym.h: No such file or directory
[03:47] <Enverex> xwin.c:20:28: error: X11/cursorfont.h: No such file or directory
[03:47] <Enverex> xwin.c:62:23: error: operator '==' has no left operand
[03:47] <Enverex> then about 80 other errors, heh
[03:48] <Mithrandir> missing build-depends on libx11-dev, it looks like.
[03:49] <Enverex> Is it difficult to upgrade from the version before dapper to dapper or from dapper to edgy?
[03:49] <Enverex> hmm, also moans about missing autoconf but carries on
[03:51] <Enverex> hmm, need lunch
[03:52] <Enverex>  cd . && /bin/sh /tmp/buildd/e-uae-0.8.29-WIP2/missing --run automake-1.9 --foreign
[03:52] <Enverex> /tmp/buildd/e-uae-0.8.29-WIP2/missing: line 46: automake-1.9: command not found
[03:52] <Enverex> WARNING: `automake-1.9' is missing on your system.
[03:53] <Enverex> Also, what does this mean?
[03:54] <Enverex> i486-linux-gnu-gcc: -z: linker input file unused because linking not done
[03:54] <Hobbsee> Enverex: build-dep on automake1.9
[03:55] <Enverex> What's the dep for gtk 2?
[03:56] <Hobbsee> Enverex: libgtk-2.0-dev or something?  use apt-cache search
[03:56] <dholbach> apt-cache search libgtk | grep dev
[03:56] <dholbach> it's libgtk2.0-dev
[03:56] <Enverex> thanks, not really familiar with all the commands atm
[03:56] <Hobbsee> dholbach: you can see i dont use gnome, cant you.
[03:57] <dholbach> :)
[03:57] <Enverex> grrr
[03:57] <Enverex> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext
[03:57] <dholbach> apt-cache search xext | grep dev
[03:57] <cbx33> thanks siretart
[03:57] <dholbach> it's really not that hard :)
[03:57] <dholbach> libxext-dev
[03:57] <Enverex> I was trying that but using a captial X, heh
[03:58] <Enverex> (thus I got nothing)
[04:04] <Enverex> Erm, there's a problem with this though, it's compiling every time I test it...
[04:05] <Enverex> it's supposed to be a binary package... that was kinda the idea
[04:06] <Enverex> Oh, it was making it, heh
[04:07] <Enverex> It kept saying "warning: no utmp entry available and LOGNAME not defined; using uid of process (1234)" over and over, is that serious?
[04:08] <Enverex> It said dpkg-deb: building package `e-uae' in `../e-uae_0.8.29-WIP2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb'. but I don't see the file anywhere either =/
[04:09] <Enverex> aha, found it
[04:10] <Enverex> Well, it seems to have worked...
[04:10] <Enverex> Is there any way I can test it?
[04:12] <fowlduck> what file should I put on my thumbdrive in order to bring my gpg key with me?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> fowlduck: ~/.gnupg
[04:13] <fowlduck> the whole directory huh
[04:13] <fowlduck> ok
[04:13] <fowlduck> Hobbsee: thanks
[04:14] <tseng> be careful with that, if you are going to carry around your private key
[04:14] <fowlduck> well, I need it at home and at work
[04:14] <fowlduck> or should I just use two keys?
[04:15] <jsgotangco> yep
[04:15] <tseng> what do you use it for at work?
[04:15] <Enverex> erm, I just locally installed e-uae but it doesn't seem to be anywhere... =/
[04:15] <tseng> if its for work stuff, make another key
[04:15] <Enverex> ah, heh, it changed its name
[04:15] <tseng> i dont do ubuntu uploads from work
[04:15] <fowlduck> tseng: same thing i use it for at home, packaging, and this overlaps for work and personal
[04:15] <Enverex> I am awesome, it works :P
[04:15] <fowlduck> i'm packaging for work, but I may as well contribute while I'm at it
[04:18] <Enverex> Right, time to submit it
[04:20] <lucas> is jpatrick around ? (what's his nickname ?)
[04:20] <lucas> ok it's jpatrick
[04:20] <lucas> so he isn't
[04:22] <lucas> crimsun: ping ?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> lucas: what were you looking for jpatrick about?
[04:22] <lucas> the xastir package
[04:23] <lucas> he last acted on it in february
[04:23] <lucas> and we are now way behind debian
[04:23] <Hobbsee> lucas: take it, i havent seen him around in a while.
[04:24] <lucas> also, crimsun packaged a new upstream release in november 2005, but hasn't packaged the other new releases since then
[04:24] <lucas> well, my question is : shouldn't we just sync it ?
[04:24] <Hobbsee> lucas: check if hte ubuntu changes are still needed.  if not, yes.
[04:25] <Enverex> How do I upload a package then for approval?
[04:25] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU
[04:35] <Enverex> grrr
[04:35] <Enverex> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[04:35] <Enverex> gpg: the signature could not be verified.
[04:42] <fowlduck> crimsun: can you resync the REVU Keyring with ubuntu-universe-contributors?
[04:42] <fowlduck> or anyone for that matter?
[04:47] <fowlduck> maybe Laser can
[04:47] <fowlduck> Laser_away: can you resync the REVU Keyring with ubuntu-universe-contributors?
[04:47] <fowlduck> ping
[04:47] <Enverex> grrr, I'm waiting for Launchpad to sync
[04:47] <fowlduck> meow
[04:47] <Hobbsee> fowlduck: Laser_away cant.
[04:47] <fowlduck> oh
[04:47] <Hobbsee> raphink: might be able to though
[04:48] <fowlduck> raphink: ping ping ping ping PING :)
[04:48] <tseng> sigh
[04:48] <fowlduck> tseng: why the sigh?
[04:48] <mxpxpod> do you guys take care of multiverse as well?
[04:49] <Yagisan> mxpxpod: as best we can. yes
[04:49] <mxpxpod> Yagisan: where in the queue are the vmware modules for the new dapper kernel?
[04:50] <mxpxpod> I've been waiting about a week for those to get uploaded and they're still not there
[04:50] <Yagisan> no idea. I've not gone for motu status
[04:50] <Yagisan> I'm happy as a "consultant" for now
[04:50] <Enverex> hmm, I can't get dput to work
[04:50] <mxpxpod> heh
[04:50] <Enverex> grr
[04:51] <Enverex> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[04:51] <Enverex> Any ideas how to make this work? heh
[04:51] <lukaswayne9> Hey, I've had this package in the MOTU for a while, I need one more advocate.  Could someone take a look at it?  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2606
[04:53] <Enverex> lukaswayne9, How do you use dput btw?
[04:53] <lukaswayne9> dput -Pf *_source.changes
[04:54] <lukaswayne9> Is that a problem?
[04:54] <Enverex> Upload package to host ubuntu Checking Signature on .changes - gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. gpg: the signature could not be verified.
[04:55] <lukaswayne9> Enverex: did you follow all of the instructions on the wiki?
[04:56] <Enverex> Yeah, but I have a feeling it's because the launchpad site hasn't synced with the pgp key site yet
[04:56] <Enverex> grrr
[04:56] <lukaswayne9> Oh, yeah that does take a while
[04:56] <Enverex> Would that cause it? Because I've done everything else
[04:57] <lukaswayne9> Yes, I remember having that problem
[04:57] <lukaswayne9> Just wait a day or so, and if it still doesn't work ping someone important
[04:57] <Yagisan> it's obvious he didn't, otherwise he would not be trying to upload it to ubuntu, but rather to revu instead. Enverex make sure you set the default host to revu
[04:57] <lukaswayne9> Oh, I read over that
[04:57] <lukaswayne9> look at /etc/dput.cf
[04:59] <Enverex> Still the same error
[05:01] <lukaswayne9> Enverex: is your default_host set to revu and not ubuntu?
[05:01] <Enverex> enverex@Alpha:/var/cache/pbuilder/result$ dput -Pf *.changes
[05:01] <Enverex> Upload package to host revu
[05:01] <Yagisan> Enverex: dput -Pf revu *_source.changes
[05:01] <Enverex> (the file is named e-uae_0.8.29-WIP2-0ubuntu1_i386.changes)
[05:02] <Yagisan> Enverex: do a source only build, and upload that
[05:02] <Arbiter> *_source.changes
[05:02] <Arbiter> i need the libc6-dev bug fixed
[05:02] <Enverex> I built it with this command (before pbuilder)
[05:02] <Arbiter> or i can't setup a pbuilder env
[05:03] <Enverex> dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot -sa
[05:03] <Enverex> (and then sudo pbuilder build ../e-uae_0.8.29-WIP2-0ubuntu1.dsc)
[05:03] <Enverex> How do I do a source only build then?
[05:04] <mxpxpod> does anyone know jochen becher's irc name?
[05:05] <Enverex> meh, I'm close to giving up, I've spent most of the day on this and achieved virtually nothing
[05:06] <Hobbsee> mxpxpod: launchpad likely does.  why?
[05:06] <mxpxpod> Hobbsee: he has confirmed the vmware modules bug I'm researching
[05:06] <Hobbsee> mxpxpod: ahh.
[05:06] <mxpxpod> can't use module-assistant on it either :(
[05:06] <Arbiter> Enverex, don't give up
[05:07] <Enverex> This is time I don't have
[05:07] <Arbiter> make practice practice practice and then practice :D
[05:07] <Arbiter> i spent a lot of time learning howto make debian packages :D
[05:07] <Arbiter> *i've*
[05:07] <Enverex> and I'm just getting frustrated going from one ununderstandable "guide" to the next
[05:08] <Arbiter> Enverex, follow the guide "Packaging with Debhelper" it's pretty easy
[05:08] <Arbiter> (almost i found that guide easy)
[05:10] <lucas> if somebody want to help, I can provide a list
[05:10] <Arbiter> i'm not a MOTU so i don't know if i can help out
[05:10] <Arbiter> :)
[05:10] <Hobbsee> lucas: would that list be merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html?
[05:11] <Yagisan> Enverex: trust me, it does get easier, but if you are like me, you'll shoot yourself in the foot the first few times while learning
[05:11] <Hobbsee> lucas: if not, you should be using the merge-o-matic, which is that later link
[05:11] <Yagisan> Arbiter: sure you can help
[05:11] <lucas> Arbiter: solving this bug would help : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=378574
[05:11] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 378574 in zsnes "Subject: zsnes FTBFS on sid" [Serious,Open] 
[05:12] <Arbiter> uhm... seems simple to fix
[05:12] <lucas> might be, I haven't dig it further
[05:12] <Yagisan> Enverex: in pbuilderrc set DEBBUILDOPTS="-sa -S" for a source only build
[05:12] <Arbiter> g++: argument to '-L' missing
[05:12] <Arbiter> seems to be only one missing argument passed to the compiler
[05:12] <Yagisan> Enverex: and remove the -S for a normal build
[05:12] <lucas> Hobbsee: no, I use an intermediate output of http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/mergescountdown/mergescountdown.png actually
[05:13] <Hobbsee> lucas: that probably also works.
[05:13] <Arbiter> let me work on that
[05:14] <Enverex> How do I set myself as handling a package on that page?
[05:15] <Enverex> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates?action=show&redirect=UniverseCandidates
[05:15] <Enverex> < that page, heh
[05:16] <Yagisan> hmm. my project is listed there
[05:17] <Yagisan> that's odd, as it shouldn't be there
[05:17] <Arbiter>  bcm43xx <- but... it's alredy in kernel?
[05:18] <lukaswayne9>  I'm making a package.  I'd like to install a manpage.  Where should the dh_installman mymanpage.1  go?  In install:?  or binary-indep:?
[05:18] <Arbiter> (this package is a universe candidate)
[05:21] <Enverex> Am I ok to set myself as working on E-UAE?
[05:21] <Arbiter> Hobbsee, if i promise to make a package a listed in MOTU/Packages/Candidates can I edit the wiki page to notice that?
[05:21] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: sure
[05:21] <Arbiter> well
[05:22] <Arbiter> i'll finish making libgimp-cil before :D
[05:22] <Arbiter> Hobbsee, ah another question...
[05:23] <Arbiter> (example) i made a package, uploaded it to revu, the package was uploaded to universe... a bug was filled for that package
[05:23] <Arbiter> whos asked for bugfixing? me or the package uploader?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> Arbiter: anyone.
[05:23] <Enverex> Hobbsee, Am I ok to edit that page and put myself as packaging e-uae?
[05:23] <Hobbsee> Enverex: yeah.
[05:24] <Enverex> Thanks
[05:24] <Arbiter> Hobbsee, thanks
[05:24] <Enverex> Wiki is confusing, lol
[05:24] <Enverex> It's like looking at unformatted HTML
[05:25] <tseng> not really
[05:25] <tseng> not nearly as much formatting for the same stuff
[05:26] <Enverex> Well yeah, but it's still messy, heh
[05:28] <Enverex> ffs, been resubmitting to launchpad for like an hour now and it's still not accepting the key
[05:33] <Enverex> Really supprised Audacious isn't in Ubuntu yet
[05:33] <Arbiter> lucas, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=378574 <- are sure that the bug wasn't alredy fixed?
[05:33] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 378574 in zsnes "Subject: zsnes FTBFS on sid" [Serious,Open] 
[05:34] <Arbiter> i didn't have this problem compiling zsnes on my machine
[05:34] <lucas> I reported it half an hour ago, so yes
[05:34] <lucas> your machine ?
[05:34] <Arbiter> pc
[05:34] <lucas> so it wasn't inside a chroot ?
[05:34] <lucas> or using pbuilder ?
[05:34] <Arbiter> lucas, i can't have a pbuilder for now :D
[05:35] <lucas> ok
[05:35] <Arbiter> there are some packages that needs to be fixed
[05:35] <lucas> so it's probably a missing build-depends on something
[05:35] <Arbiter> (libc6-dev)
[05:35] <lucas> actually it's linux-kernel-headers that is broken, not libc6-dev
[05:35] <Arbiter> lucas, yeah
[05:35] <Arbiter> i'll setup a pbuilder when the problem is fixed
[05:39] <Enverex> Sync damnit
[05:40] <lukaswayne9> zsnes is broken on my machine
[05:42] <Enverex> Well I WANTED to switch to Windows and play games to try and bring my mood back up from rock bottom but I wanted to upload this crap first but can't due to this stupid sync not happening EVER
[05:43] <fowlduck> wow relax, go play and do it later
[05:44] <Enverex> It's like 40+'c in my room and parents wont let me have fucking air conditioning up here (attic) and I'm going to go insane
[05:44] <fowlduck> seriously, is all this worth all this energy and stress?
[05:46] <Yagisan> chill out mate. take a break
[05:46] <Enverex> I was always forced into it when I used Gentoo just to get it working
[05:58] <fowlduck> gentoo is annoying
[05:58] <ryanakca> a bug like #48140, where the reporter comments on having upgraded software and not having the problems any longer... would it be considered fix released?
[05:58] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yeah, or rejected.  same thing, really
[05:58] <ryanakca> kk
[06:00] <LaserJock> fowlduck: no I can't, I'm not a REVU admin
[06:01] <fowlduck> LaserJock: yeah, looked all that up eventually, saw that.  thanks
[06:01] <LaserJock> np
[06:06] <lukaswayne9> My room always gets at least 20 degress F hotter than the rest of the house because I have a server and a desktop machine in here
[06:06] <LaserJock> 20? yikes
[06:08] <imbrandon> jez, i have 4 x86 boxes and 2 amd64 boxes and a ppc laptop and 3 g4 boxes in the same room as me and no temp change or if there is its less than 1deg C
[06:08] <imbrandon> in this room
[06:09] <mcquaid> hello i wanted to backport baobab from edgy to dapper.  however no version of baobab is currently in edgy
[06:09] <mcquaid> does that happen sometimes when the next version is building up or does that mean a pkg has been dropped?
[06:10] <Arbiter> i have baobab in edgy
[06:10] <siretart> intresting. baobab was Removed on 2006-07-05 12:44:06 UTC
[06:11] <imbrandon> !info baobab edgy
[06:11] <ubotu> Package baobab does not exist in edgy
[06:11] <imbrandon> !info baobab dapper
[06:11] <ubotu> baobab: graphical tool to analyse directory trees. In repository universe, is optional. Version 2.3.1-1 (dapper), package size 95 kB, installed size 584 kB
[06:11] <Arbiter> i have it installed
[06:11] <siretart> mcquaid: ask e.g. Keybuk on #ubuntu-devel why it was removed..
[06:11] <mcquaid> ok
[06:11] <mcquaid> strange though the latest is in sid
[06:13] <Enverex> How easy is it to upgrade one version of Ubuntu to the next?
[06:14] <LaserJock> Enverex: sorta depends on how much you've modified your system, should be fairly easy
[06:16] <Yagisan> Enverex: in most cases, trivial
[06:25] <cbx33> hi highvoltage
[06:26] <LaserJock> hi cbx33
[06:26] <cbx33> hi LaserJock
[06:26] <cbx33> uploaded latest chanes to gisomount
[06:26] <LaserJock> yah, just got the email
[06:26] <cbx33> I'm MOTU reviewer now :)
[06:27] <LaserJock> ?
[06:27] <cbx33> sorry
[06:27] <cbx33> REVU
[06:28] <Arbiter> cbx33, so you can review my next package that i'm going to upload :D
[06:28] <cbx33> :)
[06:29] <LaserJock> mwuahahaha
[06:29] <cbx33> heheheh
[06:29] <cbx33> be my guest
[06:29] <Arbiter> lol
[06:32] <LaserJock> lol, I've gotten 2 spam emails today about a big stock value increase in pink sheets
[06:33] <LaserJock> if they were ponies I could see it ;-)
[06:33] <Enverex> Launchpad STILL says my key isn't there
[06:34] <Enverex> Meh, I give up
[06:35] <Toadstool> hi here
[06:35] <LaserJock> hi Toadstool
[06:36] <Toadstool> heya LaserJock
[06:41] <ryanakca> how do you set the importance of a bug?
[06:42] <ryanakca> example, bug 53270 can be set to wishlist...
[06:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 53270 in aptitude "Pass more than one command to aptitude at once" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/53270
[06:42] <LaserJock> ryanakca: I think you need to be in the ubuntu-qa LP team
[06:43] <ryanakca> :)
[06:43] <ryanakca> lol... no?
[06:43] <Hobbsee> nope
[06:43] <ryanakca> meh... worth a try :)
[06:44] <ryanakca> hmmm... is edgy usable yet?
[06:44] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: depends on your definition of usable.
[06:44] <LaserJock> hmmm... that's a hard question to answer
[06:44] <ryanakca> lol
[06:45] <ryanakca> well, usably = what dapper was in late february/early march
[06:45] <LaserJock> ryanakca: I don't think so
[06:45] <LaserJock> I've only got it in a chroot
[06:45] <ryanakca> with gui?
[06:45] <ryanakca> like Xorg...
[06:45] <Hobbsee> yeah
[06:46] <ryanakca> hmmm.... *wonders if he should risk it*
[06:46] <LaserJock> well, I wouldn't do it on anything where you *need* to have a running box
[06:46] <ryanakca> I'll wait a while
[06:47] <ryanakca> lol... I *need* a running box... well... not really... but I'd like one...
[06:47] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:47] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: update a spare partition or something
[06:47] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:48] <Arbiter> ryanakca, i'm running edgy... and *not* in chroot or separate partition :D
[06:48] <zul> same here
[06:48] <Arbiter> cbx33, ping
[06:48] <Hobbsee> ouch?
[06:49] <cbx33> Arbiter, pong
[06:49] <LaserJock> I'm considering not even running edgy, but I'm sure I'll cave in one of these days ;-)
[06:49] <Hobbsee> lol
[06:49] <dholbach> it's not advisable to use for people who don't have the time to work on it :-)
[06:49] <Arbiter> cbx33, be ready to review my package :D
[06:49] <cbx33> ok bearing in mind
[06:49] <cbx33> mine will be just the essentails review
[06:49] <cbx33> I'm not packaging guru yet
[06:49] <Arbiter> np
[06:50] <ryanakca> lol... I might pull out my old hard drive...
[06:50] <ryanakca> it's gonna go one day soon anywais...
[06:50] <cbx33> heheh
[06:51] <Arbiter> cbx33, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2721
[06:51] <cbx33> I'm on it
[06:51] <Arbiter> good work :D
[06:52] <cbx33> ok I have one comment already...hehe I'll login and submit them
[06:53] <Arbiter> :)
[07:01] <Gloubiboulga> I've just done my first ubuntu dapper installation :)
[07:01] <phanatic> Gloubiboulga: lol :)
[07:01] <Gloubiboulga> seriously, I've always installed Xubuntu until tonight ;)
[07:02] <Arbiter> Gloubiboulga, hehehehe
[07:02] <Arbiter> :d
[07:02] <Arbiter> s/:d/:D
[07:04] <Gloubiboulga> I'll give a try to kubuntu too
[07:05] <raphink> Gloubiboulga: that's a good news :)
[07:05] <Gloubiboulga> :)
[07:05] <raphink> hehe
[07:05] <raphink> xubuntu is about to lose one of its mains devs
[07:05] <raphink> ...
[07:05] <raphink> j/k
[07:06] <Gloubiboulga> hum...
[07:06] <raphink> hehe
[07:06] <raphink> copain ;)
[07:06] <cbx33> Arbiter, there are some comments in debian.
[07:06] <cbx33> debian/
[07:06] <fowlduck> raphink:  could you please sync the REVU keychain with the ubuntu-universe-contributors?
[07:07] <Arbiter> cbx33, rules?
[07:07] <Arbiter> i know
[07:07] <cbx33> could I suggest you make a .deb and run dpkg -c on it, to check where things are being installed
[07:07] <raphink> sure fowlduck I could please do that
[07:07] <fowlduck> or however it is nate
[07:07] <cbx33> well yes I missed that one
[07:07] <fowlduck> named*
[07:07] <cbx33> you should comment out all unnecessary rules
[07:07] <fowlduck> raphink: thanks! :)
[07:07] <cbx33> I'll brb
[07:07] <Arbiter> cbx33, i prefer keeping them until i can have a working pbuilder ;)
[07:07] <raphink> fowlduck: it'll be synced in a few minutes
[07:08] <fowlduck> raphink: I really appreciate it.  Then I can submit a package :)
[07:08] <raphink> sure
[07:08] <Gloubiboulga> bah, update popups... do this exist in kubuntu as well?
[07:08] <raphink> hopefully you can :)
[07:08] <raphink> update popups ?
[07:08] <Gloubiboulga> yeah "some updates are available"
[07:08] <raphink> ah
[07:08] <raphink> there's no popup
[07:08] <Gloubiboulga> or something
[07:08] <raphink> but there's an icon in the bar
[07:09] <fowlduck> that can be disabled though, right?
[07:09] <raphink> with a warning sign
[07:09] <Gloubiboulga> oh, big +1 for Kubuntu already
[07:09] <LaserJock> hehe, Kubuntu is perfect, they don't need updates ;-)
[07:09] <raphink> Gloubiboulga: what?
[07:09] <raphink> LaserJock: ahahaha :)
[07:09] <Gloubiboulga> I don't like popups :)
[07:09] <raphink> LaserJock: almost ;)
[07:09] <raphink> Gloubiboulga: hehe
[07:09] <cbx33> Arbiter, you should really wait until it builds in pbuilder before you submit to REVU
[07:09] <cbx33> I'm off for dinner
[07:09] <cbx33> bbl
[07:09] <Arbiter> :)
[07:13] <raphink> fowlduck: should be fine now
[07:13] <fowlduck> raphink: yay!  too bad my package is at home, it'll have to be tonight
[07:13] <LaserJock> !info debhelper edgy
[07:13] <ubotu> debhelper: helper programs for debian/rules. In repository main, is optional. Version 5.0.37.3ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 499 kB, installed size 1264 kB
[07:14] <raphink> fowlduck: you have no ssh access?
[07:14] <fowlduck> raphink: no, someone is at home using the computer probably, so it is booted into windows
[07:14] <raphink> aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrgggggggh
[07:14] <raphink> that's horrible ;)
[07:14] <fowlduck> i know
[07:15] <raphink> fowlduck: I would just remove this stuff from it
[07:15] <raphink> so you're sure no one boots on it
[07:15] <fowlduck> well, gaming usually requires it
[07:15] <fowlduck> well, I like to share my puter, and I game a bit
[07:15] <raphink> mhm
[07:15] <fowlduck> we'
[07:15] <raphink> and there's not even an ftp on your windows ?
[07:15] <fowlduck> we've got a kid from our church staying with us for a week
[07:15] <fowlduck> nope, try to keep that minimal for gaming
[07:15] <raphink> well I guess an ftp on windows is like a monstruous security hole
[07:16] <fowlduck> and for security :)
[07:16] <ogra> while i'd sk myself which of both is the bigger one :)
[07:16] <ogra> *ask even
[07:17] <LaserJock> heh
[07:24] <LaserJock> Arbiter: if you program doesn't provide a man page you should make one
[07:24] <LaserJock> Arbiter: and send it upstream so they can include it in their next release
[07:25] <Arbiter> LaserJock, really?
[07:25] <zul> man pages are for wussies ;)
[07:25] <Arbiter> oooowww
[07:25] <LaserJock> zul: heh
[07:25] <Arbiter> it's a gnome GUI app!
[07:25] <LaserJock> then the man page will be short :-)
[07:26] <Arbiter> lol
[07:37] <cbx33> I'm back
[07:38] <Arbiter> cbx33, i fixed things (except the manpage which i need to create from scratch)
[07:38] <cbx33> yup
[07:39] <cbx33> Arbiter, I suggest you create it in sgml unlessyou are familiar with manpages
[07:39] <cbx33> then docbook-to-man convert it
[07:39] <Arbiter> sure
[07:41] <Arbiter> it's my tomorrow TODO
[07:41] <Arbiter> :D
[07:41] <Yagisan> Arbiter: I did mine in xml, and convert it at build time. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=483 gives an example
[07:41] <cbx33> Yagisan, sgml is xml
[07:41] <cbx33> isn;t it?
[07:42] <Yagisan> cbx33: similar. I'm just offering an alternative
[07:42] <cbx33> ah...ok
[07:42] <cbx33> what did you use to convert?
[07:43] <Yagisan> cbx33:  xsltproc, docbook-xsl, docbook-xml
[07:43] <cbx33> cool
[07:43] <Arbiter> how much work i have to do before being elegible as an ubuntu member? :D
[07:44] <cbx33> Arbiter, how long you been helping?
[07:44] <LaserJock> although it adds more build-time dependencies
[07:44] <cbx33> it's sustained contribution that counts more than anything
[07:44] <cbx33> yup, I convert to man before I add to package
[07:44] <Arbiter> cbx33, since i created my launchpad account...
[07:44] <Arbiter> translations overall
[07:45] <LaserJock> it's a toss up I guess, some people like to stick with keeping their source package purely source
[07:45] <cbx33> ah I see
[07:45] <cbx33> Arbiter, it's not a hard and fast rule
[07:45] <cbx33> I can think of a few exceptions
[07:45] <cbx33> but just keep working hard
[07:45] <LaserJock> raphink is an example of the source purist ;-)
[07:45] <cbx33> make some friends
[07:46] <raphink> hahaha
[07:46] <Yagisan> LaserJock: true, but I've now sent them upstream, and we decided to keep it as xml, so they are needed anyway
[07:46] <raphink> purist, at all
[07:46] <LaserJock> Arbiter: try to document 2 months of work on Ubuntu
[07:46] <raphink> lol
[07:46] <cbx33> Arbiter, do you have a wiki page?
[07:46] <Arbiter> sure
[07:46] <cbx33> wiki.ubuntu.com/petesavage
[07:46] <Yagisan> LaserJock: is it only 2 months ? hmm, I could/should have done that ages ago
[07:47] <cbx33> hehe
[07:47] <LaserJock> Yagisan: yes, you should
[07:47] <Arbiter> you want my wiki page URL?
[07:48] <cbx33> sure
[07:48] <Arbiter> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LorenzoVillani
[07:48] <cbx33> :D
[07:48] <cbx33> nice one Arbiter
[07:48] <cbx33> keep it up
[07:48] <Yagisan> LaserJock: I will get around to it, one day I hope. (I overcommited myself time-wise for the next year - hence why I'm still up)
[07:49] <Arbiter> cbx33, ;)
[07:51] <cbx33> ping crimsun
[07:57] <slomo> Arbiter: oh, libgimp-cil :) would you mind if i review it now?
[07:58] <FunnyLookinHat> libgimp-cil?
[07:58] <Arbiter> slomo! i posted some comments to the UVF exception for monodevelop
[07:58] <FunnyLookinHat> I saw it in your profile...  didn't recognize it though : (
[07:59] <Arbiter> slomo, and if you want to review the package... you're welcome ;)
[07:59] <slomo> Arbiter: is it a library? i thought it was a standalone program... hm, let's take a closer look :)
[07:59] <Arbiter> library
[07:59] <Arbiter> it's a library for making gimp plugins easily
[08:00] <cbx33> Arbiter, coool
[08:00] <Arbiter> cbx33, in C# :D
[08:00] <FunnyLookinHat> oOoh very cool!
[08:00] <FunnyLookinHat> I love C#
[08:00] <Arbiter> slomo, why not upload a monodevelop-0.11+svn<something> package?
[08:00] <slomo> Arbiter: hm... wbmp.exe <--- what's this then? and the wrapper shell script in debian/? :)
[08:00] <FunnyLookinHat> Today I am training someone at work, so I think I can take the opportunity to start reading up on package creation  ^_^
[08:01] <cbx33> did someone say that the midisport firmware package from sourceforge is already in or going into edgy?
[08:01] <slomo> Arbiter: because of missing time and i would prefer a release instead of a svn snapshot :)
[08:01] <Arbiter> slomo, .exes are example plugins (almost it seems)
[08:02] <Arbiter> slomo, i'm in contact with latexer (gentoo-dotnet herd) he asked md devs to make a new release
[08:02] <Arbiter> stetic has become great
[08:02] <Arbiter> (i always checkout the latest svn snapshot)
[08:03] <Arbiter> slomo, note: libgimp-cil couldn't be installed into the GAC
[08:03] <slomo> Arbiter: ok... i would put examples into /usr/share/doc/$package/examples or something then and wouldn't bother to write a wrapper script :)
[08:03] <slomo> Arbiter: why?
[08:03] <Arbiter> because it's not stable enought
[08:03] <Arbiter> and upstream doesn't provide key for strongnaming (required for GAC)
[08:04] <slomo> Arbiter: the key is no problem... if it's stable enough you can use your own one, we do this already for nini and log4net iirc
[08:04] <slomo> Arbiter: but please read http://pkg-mono.alioth.debian.org/cli-policy/ if you have some time :)
[08:05] <Arbiter> yay i often read meebey's policies
[08:05] <Arbiter> and yes, i have all the time i want ;)
[08:06] <Arbiter> but i have to recompile the kernel now ;)
[08:06] <slomo> Arbiter: ok, cool :) why do you need your own kernel btw?
[08:07] <Arbiter> because i dont need the tons and tons of modules provided by linux-images* :D
[08:07] <Arbiter> slomo, i come from gentoo :)
[08:08] <Arbiter> "DIY, do it yourself" ;)
[08:08] <slomo> they won't hurt you unless you have the hardware for them ;) only the modules you have the hardware for are loaded by default
[08:09] <Arbiter> i prefer having things that I need directly compiled in :P
[08:09] <slomo> Arbiter: hm, bashism in debian/rules and you copy the .config file to the wrong place
[08:09] <slomo> Arbiter: *shrug* if you have the time for this 0.01% speed improvement... ;)
[08:09] <Arbiter> slomo, bashism is required because make install put things in the wrong places :P
[08:10] <Arbiter> (puts the plugins all in /"
[08:11] <slomo> Arbiter: then just use standard posix shell for it :) everything else tends to break. but the .config file is nonetheless in the wrong place now
[08:11] <slomo> must be next to the corresponding .dll
[08:11] <Arbiter> slomo, ahh you mean the {} stuff? :D
[08:12] <slomo> yes
[08:12] <Arbiter> hehehe i'll fix it
[08:13] <slomo> hm and you miss build-depends... at least libgimp2.0-dev is missing
[08:14] <Arbiter> slomo, package seems to not use glue code
[08:14] <Arbiter> so no libgimp2.0-dev is required
[08:14] <slomo> it needs it for gimptool-2.0
[08:15] <Arbiter> uhm...
[08:16] <Arbiter> added to TODO list :D
[08:16] <slomo> and you may want to add build-depends for the optional plugins
[08:17] <slomo>   Unit Tests    : no
[08:17] <slomo>   Paint.NET     : no
[08:17] <slomo>   Incomplete    : no
[08:17] <slomo>   ECW           : no (ECW library not found)
[08:17] <Arbiter> slomo, and then maybe split the package?
[08:17] <slomo> oh, ignore incomplete and unit tests  ;) but ECW
[08:17] <slomo> why splitting?
[08:22] (Arbiter/#ubuntu-motu) well
[08:23] (Arbiter/#ubuntu-motu) bye!
[08:27] <Enverex> Ok, it's been like 3 hours now and it's STILL not synced the ubuntu pgp keys to the external pgp sites
[08:28] <cbx33> what hasn't
[08:28] <cbx33> REVU>
[08:28] <cbx33> ?
[08:28] <Enverex> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371
[08:58] <Enverex> Is the ubuntu pgp key site going to be syncs to the main pgp sites, like, ever?
[08:59] <crimsun> yes, it's part of the keyserver network. Why?
[09:00] <crimsun> waiting only 3 hours and throwing up your hands isn't going to magically make it happen.
[09:04] <ivoks> hm...
[09:05] <ivoks> there is a way to crash ubuntu system with less than 512MB RAM, if it doesn't have swap
[09:05] <sladen> Enverex: it is.  continuiously
[09:05] <ivoks> all the things one needs is cp and cd
[09:05] <crimsun> ivoks: but there are lots of ways to crash any system once memory constraints are in play :-)
[09:06] <ivoks> crimsun: but this is without starting any program
[09:06] <Enverex> sladen, I submitted my key to pgp.com site over 3 hours ago and launchpad STILL wont accept it
[09:06] <crimsun> Enverex: upload it directly to keyserver.ubuntu.com, then.
[09:06] <sladen> eh?
[09:07] <sladen> Enverex: what do you mean, lauchpad won't accept it?
[09:07] <sladen> Enverex: as crimsun says, upload it to keyserver.ubuntu.com
[09:07] <Enverex> I didn't realise that was possible, I'll do it now
[09:08] <tseng> was knot1 released yet?
[09:08] <Enverex> erm, how do I do that? heh
[09:09] <crimsun> tseng: not yet
[09:09] <tseng> ok.
[09:09] <tseng> i see people are syncing/uploading
[09:10] <crimsun> those syncs should all be universe (at least the ones that I Ok'D)
[09:12] <Enverex> argh, I've set my prefered key server but it still sends it to gpg: sending key 9935D642 to hkp server subkeys.pgp.net when I do --send-key
[09:14] <Spec> use --keyserver
[09:14] <Enverex>  gpg --send-key 9935D642 --keyserver http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371 ?
[09:15] <crimsun> only keyserver.ubuntu.com
[09:15] <Enverex> finally
[09:15] <Enverex> --keyserver needs to be first as well, before --send-key
[09:16] <Enverex> yay, worked, thanks guys
[09:22] <Enverex> erm, what package is debuild part of?
[09:22] <tseng> probably dpkg-dev
[09:23] <tseng> install build-essential dpkg-dev fakeroot
[09:23] <crimsun> devscripts.
[09:23] <Enverex> thanks
[09:23] <ogra> debuild is in devscripts iirc
[09:23] <Enverex> erk
[09:23] <tseng> install them all :)
[09:24] <Mithrandir> dpkg-dev is a dependency of build-essential. :-P
[09:24] <Enverex> wem
[09:24] <Enverex> erm*
[09:24] <Enverex> gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use
[09:24] <Enverex> debsign: gpg error occurred!  Aborting....
[09:24] <Enverex> debuild: fatal error at line 791:
[09:24] <Enverex> running debsign failed
[09:24] <LaserJock> I wish fakeroot was a dep of devscripts
[09:25] <LaserJock> I keep forgetting it
[09:25] <slomo> LaserJock: it's a Recommends of devscripts as it should... depends would be wrong :P
[09:25] <LaserJock> but I guess I could just use aptitude :-)
[09:26] <LaserJock> slomo: I know, I'm just lazy
[09:26] <Enverex> Any ideas why I'm getting those errors?
[09:26] <Enverex> I've been working on ONE PACKAGE for nearly 10 hours now, I'm starting to get a little pissed
[09:27] <crimsun> someone else had that problem relatively recently
[09:27] <LaserJock> hi tritium
[09:29] <Enverex> Should I have the command signfile?
[09:29] <cbx33> ping LaserJock
[09:29] <cbx33> arrggghhhh more changes
[09:31] <cbx33> bbl
[09:31] <tritium> hi LaserJock
[09:32] <Enverex> I get permission denied when trying to sign the files through nautilus
[09:33] <LaserJock> hmm, you might try debuil -S -k<yourkeyid>
[09:33] <slomo> Enverex: did you do the stuff as root?
[09:33] <LaserJock> yeah, good point
[09:33] <Enverex> I tried chmodding the files 777 and it STILL says permission denied
[09:34] <Enverex> But, it I copy it to my desktop then sign it it works
[09:34] <Enverex> (copy to my desktop then rename it, it works)
[09:37] <Enverex> ha, done
[09:39] <Enverex> managed to sign it but it still says...
[09:39] <Enverex> Checking Signature on .changes
[09:39] <Enverex> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[09:39] <Enverex> gpg: the signature could not be verified.
[09:39] <Enverex> Please remember that the signature file (.sig or .asc)
[09:40] <Enverex> This is the last call before I give up completely as this seems like a complete waste of time
[09:41] <LaserJock> hmm
[09:42] <LaserJock> so you have a key, and the email address in debian/changelog is the same as in your key?
[09:42] <LaserJock> and you used -k<keyid> with debuild?
[09:42] <Enverex> THIS MAKES NO SENSE. It tells me I have to select a .asc file but when I do that it tells me it's not a .changes file so it doesn't work so I select a .changes file but then it says it's not a .asc file so it doesn't work >.<
[09:43] <LaserJock> Enverex: try using debsign
[09:44] <Enverex> well I just lost one of the files now anyway so it wont work
[09:47] <Enverex> enverex@Alpha:/usr/local/src$ debsign *_source.changes
[09:47] <Enverex> debsign: Only a single .changes, .dsc or .commands file is allowed as argument!
[09:47] <Enverex> There is only one file that matches that argument
[09:47] <LaserJock> use the specfic file
[09:47] <LaserJock> name
[09:49] <Enverex> erm, it uploaded but the .deb file was missing
[09:49] <crimsun> you upload source anyway, so debs are fairly useless.
[09:50] <Enverex> But isn't the deb the final thing that goes in?
[09:50] <crimsun> no
[09:50] <crimsun> we upload source
[09:51] <Enverex> this is all too confusing =/
[09:51] <crimsun> it's not. We don't upload binaries.
[09:51] <crimsun> a .deb is a binary package.
[09:52] <tseng> you upload the source to a ftp server
[09:52] <crimsun> the source upload is the .diff.gz, the .dsc, the _source.changes, and possibly the .orig.tar.gz
[09:52] <Enverex> So, where the hell did it upload it go? heh
[09:52] <tseng> a script watches the server and schedules a build
[09:52] <tseng> when it builds the deb from source, it pushes the deb to the mirrors
[09:52] <tseng> you finally install it with apt.
[09:52] <Enverex> ah, heh
[09:52] <tseng> if you upload a binary it will be rejected
[09:54] <Enverex> How long does it take for things to appear on revu?
[09:55] <LaserJock> 5 min if everything went right
[09:56] <Enverex> Wow, they need to include years on the dates, some of this stuff looks old and it's a bit confusing
[10:05] <Enverex> hmm, not showing yet
[10:06] <Enverex> Anyway, time to have some fun instead of this, It's obviously not going to work..
[10:40] <ryanakca> hmmm... why does http://revu.tauware.de/lostpw.py?email=ryanakca@gmail.com  tell me to paste empty lines of text?
[10:44] <crimsun> have you uploaded a package?
[10:44] <ryanakca> yes, typespeed
[10:44] <crimsun> then have an admin reset it for you
[10:45] <ryanakca> kk
[10:53] <cypher1> is pgp or gpg signing of a package is mandatory ?
[10:54] <Mithrandir> yes
[10:56] <cypher1> Mithrandir, thanks
[10:56] <Mithrandir> as in, anything uploaded to the archive must be signed.  What you do on your own hard drive is left to yourself.
[10:57] <LaserJock> it also must be signed for REVU
[11:05] <cypher1> thanks Mithrandir  LaserJock i was planning for REVU
[11:41] <sistpoty> hi folks
[11:42] <shawarma> Who are the REVU devs?
[11:42] <sistpoty> shawarma: what's up?
[11:42] <shawarma> Don't worry. it wont hurt.
[11:43] <shawarma> I'm just interested in the code for it. Is it available?
[11:43] <sistpoty> shawarma: yes... let me look for the svn url
[11:44] <sistpoty> shawarma: http://revu.tauware.de/svn/revu/ (revu1) and http://revu.tauware.de/svn/revu2/ (revu2)
[11:45] <shawarma> Cool! thanks!
[11:45] <sistpoty> np
[11:45] <shawarma> How complete is revu2?
[11:45] <sistpoty> shawarma: still far from completion :(
[11:47] <shawarma> Ok. Well, I'll take a look at both.
[11:48] <sistpoty> shawarma: revu1 is just a evil hack... you'll have more fun looking at revu2 code ;)
[11:48] <shawarma> Heh.
[11:48] <siretart> huhu sistpoty!
[11:49] <sistpoty> hi siretart
[11:49] <shawarma> Hmm... What does REVU use pbuilder for? Doesn't it only deal with source packages?
[11:49] <siretart> shawarma: for generating build logs. useful for reviewing packages
[11:49] <sistpoty> shawarma: I guess for raphink's revu-tools
[11:49] <siretart> shawarma: we are only interested in the buildlogs. not in the resulting binaries
[11:49] <shawarma> siretart: So anything uploaded to revu is actually built in a pbuilder?
[11:50] <sistpoty> shawarma: only after manual intervention
[11:50] <siretart> shawarma: not automatic. you'll need a revu admin to kick it off. this will be done after first manual examination of the package
[11:50] <shawarma> Ok.
[11:50] <shawarma> Good. :-)
[11:51] <sistpoty> siretart: btw. is tiber still running breezy?
[11:51] <siretart> sistpoty: yes, we should change that, though
[11:51] <sistpoty> siretart: full ack :)
[11:52] <LaserJock> how far off do you guys see REVU2 being? Could we see it by Edgy's release do you think?
[11:52] <sistpoty> LaserJock: it's still quite far off... but my spare time is rapidly increasing atm, so maybe I'll be able to work on revu2 in the next weeks or so
[11:53] <LaserJock> have you guys seen the new debian-mentors site?
[11:53] <sistpoty> LaserJock: not yet... url?
[11:53] <LaserJock> they rewrote it in Python, looks nice
[11:53] <siretart> sistpoty: I'm not sure if you've seen it, but we converted revu's svn repos to bzr, and created a lp product
[11:54] <sistpoty> siretart: no, didn't see it actually... I hope I'm not out of sync *g*
[11:54] <LaserJock> http://mentors.debian.net/cgi-bin/welcome
[11:54] <sistpoty> LaserJock: nice
[11:55] <LaserJock> I like the "Recently Uploaded Packages" and columns
[11:56] <shawarma> I'm bugging the authors for the source code as we speak. :-)
[11:56] <shawarma> They say it'll be released probably this week.
[11:58] <cbx33> evenin all
[11:58] <sistpoty> hi cbx33
[11:58] <cbx33> sistpoty, I've made a few final changes
[11:58] <cbx33> hope everything is up to scratch now
[11:59] <sistpoty> cbx33: for gisomount?
[11:59] <cbx33> yup
[11:59] <sistpoty> cbx33: ok, I'll take a look ;)
[11:59] <cbx33> they don't appear to have appeared yet :p
[12:00] <sistpoty> yup... should be there any time now (cronjob is run every 10 mins)
[12:00] <cbx33> ah ok
[12:00] <cbx33> I'll stay on for the next few minutes so see if it's ok
[12:00] <sistpoty> cbx33: ok, looking right now at it
[12:00] <cbx33> :S
[12:02] <sistpoty> cbx33: well you could be a little bit more verbose (if I read the debdiff, I might confuse the link to the license with the link to ubuntu-artwork), but basically it looks good
[12:02] <cbx33> so is that an advocation?
[12:02] <cbx33> :p
[12:02] <sistpoty> cbx33: let me look at the complete copyright file :
[12:02] <cbx33> my first ever package :p
[12:02] <sistpoty> :P
[12:02] <cbx33> ah sheesh....you're a tough cookie sistpoty :p
[12:03] <cbx33> but i do love perfection
[12:03] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:03] <sistpoty> cbx33: +1 from me ;)
[12:03] <cbx33> w00t
[12:04] <sistpoty> LaserJock: want to upload it?
[12:04] <LaserJock> yeah
[12:04] <LaserJock> I'll take care of it
[12:05] <sistpoty> LaserJock: k, thx :)