[12:33] <h3sp4wn> Is there a list of stuff that kde wants packaging ? I have mananged to hack my way through getting libinstrudeo and liavdecode svn compiled in a really unclean way - wondered if there was any ones that need to be done
[12:33] <h3sp4wn> Or a list ? 
[12:34] <h3sp4wn> Getting libinstrudeo working without ffpeg is beyond me 
[12:34] <crimsun> you need to link the symbols in statically.
[12:35] <crimsun> which means hacking Makefile.am
[12:35] <crimsun> or Makefile.in if you're luckier
[12:36] <h3sp4wn> statically from ffpeg ?
[12:38] <crimsun> from libavcodec and libavformat
[12:38] <crimsun> -dev for both
[12:45] <h3sp4wn> I will try - I didn't believe honestly that I could get it to work this far - (I have 3 deb's which can be installed to get screenkast_0.1.2-1 - but I am not happy of the method at all)
[12:46] <jjesse> quick quewstion would you refer to the dvd as a live dvd or the desktop dvd?
[01:11] <jjesse> can somone take a look at trying to replicate bug #52775, i can't confirm it
[01:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52775 in adept "Add/Remove Program does not allow to enable universe" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/52775
[01:11] <jjesse> it is actually adept
[01:12] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/test-edgy.png
[01:12] <kwwii> feelings?
[01:12] <abattoir> kwwii: awesomeeeeeeeeeee 
[01:13] <jjesse> i like it
[01:13] <kwwii> it still needs some work on the bottom highlights, but all in all I think it is interesting
[01:25] <h3sp4wn> crimsun: So just adding -static to the CFLAGS of libavcodec and libavformat makes it work fine - much easier than trying to build ffmpeg from scratch
[01:26] <h3sp4wn> But doing that is against debian / ubuntu policy right ?
[01:46] <crimsun> well you wouldn't do that for libavcodec and libavformat packages but in libinstrudeo's Makefile.{am,in} for their targets
[01:46] <kwwii> night all
[01:46] <crimsun> and yes, unless there's a really good reason, you're strongly discouraged from using static linking
[01:50] <h3sp4wn> Doing the above for those 2 packages allows it to be built - Now if I statically link libstrudeo then that would take away any dependancies on libavcodec or libavformat right ?
[01:51] <crimsun> there should be no runtime dependency on libav{codec,format}-dev at all
[01:51] <crimsun> but it will get rid of the missing symbols
[01:51] <crimsun> error
[01:52] <nixternal> omg, that image kwwii posted is awesome
[02:43] <Hobbsee> hi all
[02:44] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee
[02:44] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal :)
[02:45] <Hobbsee> WOOHOO!
[02:45] <nixternal> about?
[02:45] <nixternal> hehe
[02:45] <nixternal> got some good sleep i take it
[02:47] <Hobbsee> nixternal: just saw my uni results
[02:47] <nixternal> and?
[02:48] <Hobbsee> 
[02:48] <nixternal> well obviously they are good
[02:48] <Hobbsee> 
[02:48] <Hobbsee> 
[02:48] <Hobbsee> 	 Year  		 Study Period  		 Unit  		 Title  		 Mark  		 Grade  		 Description  		 Credits  	
[02:48] <Hobbsee> 	 2006  		 First Half Year  		 CBMS101  		 Introductory Chemistry A  		 68  		 CR  		 Credit  		 3  	
[02:48] <Hobbsee> 	 2006  		 First Half Year  		 COMP115  		 Intro to Computer Science  		 77  		 D  		 Distinction  		 3  	
[02:48] <Hobbsee> 	 2006  		 First Half Year  		 MATH132  		 Mathematics IA (Advanced)  		 50  		 P  		 Pass  		 3  	
[02:48] <Hobbsee> 	 2006  		 First Half Year  		 PHYS140  		 Physics IA  		 68  		 CR  		 Credit  		 3  	
[02:48] <Hobbsee> 
[02:48] <Hobbsee> ack, dodgy paste
[02:48] <nixternal> no, good paste
[02:48] <nixternal> cruddy classes...except for compsci ;)
[02:49] <nixternal> don't let laserjock know though
[02:49] <Hobbsee> yeah, same here
[02:49] <Hobbsee> seaLne: heh...i try to avoid interviews like the plague...
[02:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:49] <Hobbsee> well, yeah....the maths sucks.
[02:49] <nixternal> i enjoy math and puters though..as well as speech
[02:49] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:49] <nixternal> i just got my schedule today as a matter of fact
[02:49] <Hobbsee> first half of chem was good
[02:49] <nixternal> mine is sweet!!!
[02:50] <nixternal> CIS 1150 Intro to CompSci
[02:50] <nixternal> CIS 1310 HTML & CSS
[02:50] <nixternal> CIS 1450 Intro Linux/Unix Programming
[02:50] <nixternal> booyah
[02:51] <nixternal> and because of my background...the first 2 are internet, which means i can complete them in a week if possible
[02:51] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[02:51] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:56] <Hobbsee> ah ha!  /me has just found a reasonable time for a meeting.
[02:56] <nixternal> well
[02:57] <Hobbsee> it'd be your thursday
[02:57] <nixternal> UTC time?
[02:58] <Hobbsee> otherwise, it's wednesday night, 2100 UTC.
[02:58] <Hobbsee> must be on wednesday.
[02:58] <nixternal> that is 16:00 my time
[02:58] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:58] <nixternal> right before dinner, so it isn't to shabby
[02:58] <Hobbsee> 7am my time, but i dont have a class till 10am
[02:59] <Hobbsee> i could do 1am UTC onwards on fridays....
[03:00] <Hobbsee> maybe.  pending work.
[03:00] <nixternal> i like that time as well
[03:00] <allee> Hobbsee: so you suggest Wednesday 21.00 UTC?  Fine with me :)
[03:00] <nixternal> 0100 UTC = 20:00 my time
[03:00] <nixternal> any time is good for me
[03:00] <allee> nixternal: lucky guy
[03:01] <Hobbsee> allee: yeah.  as long as it stays as wednesday.  otherwise i'll be skipping maths, and that is Very Bad (tm) - look at my maths mark above
[03:01] <allee> oh, oh
[03:01] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:01] <Hobbsee> grumble grumble.
[03:02] <Hobbsee> anyway, breakfast time, etc, then i have to drop my car in for service.  which should have been done a couple of hours ago.
[03:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i have the slight problem that i still live at home, so the parents tend to chuck a cow at me after 2am...
[03:02] <nixternal> lol
[03:02] <nixternal> understandable...
[03:04] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:04] <allee> Hobbsee: ha,ha, not funny.  I want to sleep and can't get the digikam* release uploaded %^&*^@##@^&
[03:05] <Hobbsee> :(
[03:27] <Hobbsee> :(
[03:27] <allee> nite
[03:28] <Hobbsee> night allee 
[03:28] <allee> Hobbsee: thx, I hope I don't dream about sf ;)
[03:28] <crimsun> oh you will
[03:28] <crimsun> it has sharp pointy teeth
[03:28] <Hobbsee> lol
[03:29] <crimsun> I've had many a nightmare about my code exploding on sf.net
[03:29] <crimsun> I'm not very tasty, I warn you.
[03:29] <Hobbsee> crimsun: guess i shouldnt eat one of the few members of the backports team, too...
[03:30] <crimsun> might be detrimental, true
[03:31] <Hobbsee> hehe.  might.
[03:31] <crimsun> well, go ahead. jdong's pretty responsive. If not you can poke him here.
[03:32] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i think i'll get past MOTU first, think about core, and fix sections of kde if i can.
[03:32] <Hobbsee> and learn python, hopefully.
[03:32] <crimsun> sounds like a plan.
[03:33] <Hobbsee> crimsun: and lose my job :P
[03:33] <crimsun> oh, have you prepared your wiki page for tomorrow?
[03:33] <Hobbsee> crimsun: sort of.
[03:33] <Hobbsee> crimsun: there's not that much i can say apart from "This is my list of uploads, this is my list of syncs, see my name all over the edgy changes list"
[03:34] <Lathiat> Hobbsee: thats basically, half of what you need to do
[03:34] <Lathiat> :)
[03:34] <crimsun> sure there is.
[03:34] <Hobbsee> most of the membership stuff is still there
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: what's the other half?
[03:34] <Lathiat> the rest just describe your involvement, why your interested, etc
[03:34] <crimsun> organise your stuff into "what I plan to do as ubuntu-dev" and "ubuntu-core-dev"
[03:34] <Hobbsee> ahh..right...
[03:34] <Lathiat> ex: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrentLloyd
[03:35] <crimsun> actually you probably want to put that at the top of your wiki page
[03:35] <Hobbsee> crimsun: and "fix kde and organise it all" is a good answer?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's what i thought
[03:35] <crimsun> Hobbsee: hopefully more detailed
[03:35] <Hobbsee> crimsun: well, yeah :P
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: eek.  okay
[03:36] <crimsun> personally, put your plans at the top of the page
[03:36] <Hobbsee> right
[03:37] <Hobbsee> eek, imbrandon's machine is down, i think
[03:37] <Hobbsee> how annoying.  i wanted to use it.
[03:38] <Hobbsee> i cant fix amarok without it.
[03:38] <Hobbsee> speaking of which, i wonder where dholbach is.
[03:41] <Riddell> sleeping
[03:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no you dont.
[03:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you're clearly not sleeping now :P
[03:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i found a time for our meeting, and got my uni results :)
[03:43] <Hobbsee> well, times.
[03:43] <Hobbsee> anyway, i'm off to drop my car in for service.
[03:57] <Hobbsee> or not.
[03:57] <Hobbsee> the guys are at lunch :)
[04:16] <nixternal> woohoo
[04:17] <nixternal> haivn' issues there Hobbsee_?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> okay, what'd i miss?
[04:33] <nixternal> just you joining and leaving
[04:33] <Hobbsee> oh right, nothing major then
[04:33] <nixternal> you could say that
[04:34] <abattoir> nixternal, Hobbsee: hi :)
[04:34] <nixternal> hiya abattoir
[04:34] <abattoir> nixternal: Hawkwind from #kubuntu wanted to help w/ classroom
[04:35] <abattoir> i think he is the guy behind Linux for Dummies
[04:35] <Hobbsee> hi abattoir
[04:35] <Hobbsee> nixternal: smart.  
[04:35] <nixternal> talked to Hawkwind earlier..he is very much needed for the classroom for sure ;)
[04:36] <abattoir> nixternal: oh ok, then.. he must have got to you before me... ;)
[04:36] <nixternal> ya, i talked to him a few hours ago
[04:37] <Hobbsee> nixternal: hehe, the membership cloak?
[04:37] <nixternal> hehe ya
[04:37] <nixternal> i have a naked one
[04:37] <nixternal> i feel so exposed ;)
[04:40] <nixternal> heh
[04:50] <Hobbsee> er, make that "tries to"
[04:51] <nixternal> lol
[04:51] <nixternal> i love when that happens
[04:51] <Hobbsee> and we're not even using an updated network manager anyway.
[04:51] <Hobbsee> but he's not here.
[04:51] <nixternal> i was gonna say..haven't seen um around
[04:52] <Hobbsee> make[1] : *** No rule to make target `/opt/kde3/include/serviceiface.h', needed by `serviceiface.kidl'.  Stop.
[04:54] <nixternal>  /opt ??
[04:55] <Hobbsee> yeah...
[05:00] <Hobbsee> dunno why
[05:00] <Hobbsee> serviceiface.h doenst seem to exist anywhere.
[05:00] <Hobbsee> wish i'd charged it more, but oh well
[05:08] <nixternal> i just ...never mind
[05:17] <crimsun> keybuk won't be present today unless for the TB meeting, which I doubt, because today is his birthday, and he's taking off.
[05:18] <nixternal> fair enough
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Hi nixternal
[06:38] <nixternal> hiya DaSkreech
[06:38] <DaSkreech> Does http://popcon.ubuntu.com/ track Kubuntu as well?
[06:40] <DaSkreech> haha I guess so. katapult is more popular than kate
[06:41] <nixternal> i noticed that as well
[07:55] <Hobbsee> hi all, who's around
[07:55] <Hobbsee> ?
[07:55] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: oh good, you're one of the ones i want to speak to.
[07:55] <imbrandon> heh
[07:56] <imbrandon> sup ?
[07:56] <crimsun> Hobbsee: keybuk's birthday is today, so he will probably be gone since he's taking the day off.
[07:56] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ahhh...right
[07:56] <imbrandon> lol
[07:57] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, in about 2 hours i'm takin voyager down for ~15 minutes to add some ram and swap a vid card
[07:57] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hey you!  no, your'e not, actually
[07:57] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch
[07:57] <ajmitch> good
[07:57] <ajmitch> hello
[07:57] <Hobbsee> nope, no section marked crimsun or ajmitch 
[07:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[07:58] <Hobbsee> enjoy :)
[07:58] <Hobbsee> Imbrandon:
[07:58] <Hobbsee> 	Whinge about voyager not being alive.
[07:58] <imbrandon> ;P
[07:58] <Hobbsee> 	Find out what happened to voyager
[07:58] <Hobbsee> 	System settings, appearance, Firefox and thunderbird scrollbar fix.  Could we add the firefox themes to that?  Make it like the install_mp3.sh fix in amarok.
[07:58] <Hobbsee> 	In fact, if it's legal to do that in amarok, is it legal to do that in all other multimedia apps?
[07:58] <Hobbsee> 	We probably dont need it, with the commercial cannonical repository.
[07:58] <Hobbsee> axe the last bit, if you want - it shouldnt be in your section
[07:59] <imbrandon> voyager was down earlier becouse of a bad ram stick, thus its only running on 128mb atm , thats why i'm going to take it down in about 2 hours to add 2gb back in ( got some new )
[07:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ouchy, okay
[07:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i just redid that stuff, and set it to build again
[07:59] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:59] <imbrandon> np
[07:59] <imbrandon> it will just be slow for a while
[08:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: anyway, yeah.  have you noticed what's been done with firefox/thunderbird scrollbar fix?
[08:00] <imbrandon> no i dident even look yet but was just getting ready to
[08:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you could do the same thing with the theme, i expect - "press this button to give firefox a kde theme"
[08:00] <ajmitch> Hobbsee: I'm surprised you didn't ask to use my box as well
[08:00] <imbrandon> ;)
[08:01] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: hehe true, i was thinking about it
[08:02] <imbrandon> as far as the legal i dont think its ilegal to add libxine-extracodecs , its just not installed becouse its not in main ( lic issue i'm sure ) but it wouldent be i the repo if it was ilegal i would suspect
[08:03] <imbrandon> s/i/in/g
[08:04] <imbrandon> and umm what does that have to do with the commercial repo ? *kinda lost on that one*
[08:04] <Hobbsee|Phone> on phone
[08:04] <imbrandon> kk np , brb myself
[08:06] <Hobbsee|Phone> crud
[08:11] <freeflying> crimsun: ping
[08:13] <crimsun> freeflying: pong
[08:14] <freeflying> crimsun: would you like sponsor upload http://www.ubuntu-zh.org/~freeflying/debdiff/scim-pinyin.debdiff
[08:16] <imbrandon> kwwii : ping ? ( anyone know what timzone he is in ? )
[08:16] <abattoir> imbrandon: i think berlin
[08:16] <abattoir> @time Berlin
[08:16] <Ubugtu> Current time in Europe/Berlin: July 18 2006, 08:16:31
[08:16] <crimsun> freeflying: is it critical? main's frozen for Knot-1
[08:16] <imbrandon> thanks abattoir
[08:17] <freeflying> crimsun: this will improve the support of scim in any environment
[08:19] <freeflying> crimsun: and we had many complains about the coffile in dapper for scim under zh_CN locales,so provide new one 
[08:19] <crimsun> freeflying: does it fix a crash a startup?
[08:19] <crimsun> a crash at startup ^
[08:20] <crimsun> freeflying: main's currently frozen for the first Edgy milestone, so unless it's critical, please let's wait a day or two
[08:20] <freeflying> at least it will fix ubuntu user can not input in qt/kde stuffs
[08:20] <crimsun> freeflying: so currently in Edgy a Ubuntu/Kubuntu user can't input in Qt?
[08:21] <freeflying> no , just qt/kde stuffs like skype, opera
[08:21] <crimsun> only Qt-only apps? not KDE ones?
[08:21] <crimsun> meaning KDE works ok?
[08:22] <freeflying> and also, the conffile now in dapper will crash some gtk spplications, due to the scim-gtk2-immodules
[08:22] <freeflying> ya, not kde applications
[08:22] <freeflying> s/spplications/applications
[08:24] <freeflying> crimsun: I've changed the conffile in scim-chewing,  works fine in edgy now
[08:27] <crimsun> freeflying: my gut feeling is that we should wait til post-Knot-1
[08:27] <crimsun> Knot-1 should be released later today anyway
[08:29] <Hobbsee|Phone> grr.  meetings are inconvenient.
[08:30] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: only thing it has to do with commercial repo is that presumably they'd stick stuff like libxine-extracodecs in there?
[08:32] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, libxine isnt commercial
[08:32] <imbrandon> afaik
[08:32] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah right.  anyway, the idea was the same.
[08:33] <imbrandon> yea
[08:33] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: no idea if it's useful, i just saw it while testing stuff out.
[08:34] <imbrandon> hehe yea , i'm looking at it now as i'm building icewm
[08:34] <imbrandon> looks like it will actualy be simple enough to do
[08:34] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:34] <imbrandon> i might poke you aobut the scrooll bar stuff though i'm not familiar with that fix
[08:34] <imbrandon> but i stuck a qt button swap thing in there 
[08:35] <crimsun> fix for what scrollbar stuff?
[08:35] <imbrandon> anyhow i'll poke you about that when i get to it
[08:35] <crimsun> .oO( is this the gtk2-engines-gtk-qt cruft? )
[08:35] <imbrandon> crimsun, on ff / thunderbird
[08:35] <imbrandon> crimsun, semi yea
[08:35] <imbrandon> has to do with it 
[08:35] <imbrandon> heh
[08:35] <crimsun> what's the fix or workaround?
[08:36] <crimsun> (seeing how people always seem to spam /me/ with that stuff)
[08:36] <imbrandon> dunno Hobbsee said there was one but i havent seen it yet and i was fixing the ff theme from the meeting today figureed could do it all at the same time
[08:37] <crimsun> freeflying: if Knot-1 is released today, I'll upload that scim-pinyin fix after main unfreezes
[08:39] <Hobbsee> crimsun: making it executable didnt make it work - i'll have to do it in rules somehow
[08:39] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLiveChatSupport     <- so needed right there to get this out to the super new users
[08:39] <nixternal> that is awesome...get to work guys on creating a KDE port now ;)
[08:40] <Hobbsee> apart from that, it works.
[08:40] <freeflying> crimsun: okey,thx
[08:41] <crimsun> Hobbsee: ok, then do it in the build/foo:: target
[08:41] <crimsun> argh
[08:45] <crimsun> 02:40 < crimsun> Hobbsee: ok, then do it in the build/foo:: target
[08:46] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ahhh...
[08:46] <Hobbsee> crimsun: so build/amarok:: 
[08:46] <Hobbsee> target?
[08:46] <crimsun> Hobbsee: it doesn't actually need to be executable, does it? You could always just ``/bin/bash some/path/to/install-mp3''
[08:46] <crimsun> Hobbsee: yes, build/amarok::
[08:46] <crimsun> do it however you see fit
[08:46] <Hobbsee> crimsun: well, the script needs to be executable by the user
[08:47] <Hobbsee> crimsun: which i'm presuming means it needs to be executable during install, so they dont have to chmod +x it themselves.
[08:47] <crimsun> Hobbsee: ok, sure.
[08:50] <Hobbsee> crimsun: would it go into build/amarok:: or install/amarok::?
[08:50] <drivelsun> 
[08:50] <crimsun> Hobbsee: either.
[08:52] <drivelsun> sorry,man.I don't know this is a English Channel
[08:53] <abattoir> nixternal: wouldn't a 'Support' link to Konversation do the same?
[08:53] <nixternal> i have a spec similar, but it goes one step further
[08:53] <nixternal> not jsut to konvo, but a script/app that would auto config konvo for them, and get the online w/o knowing anything about irc
[08:54] <Hobbsee> nixternal: already being planned, talk to sho_
[08:55] <Hobbsee> nixternal: abattoir: you should check out the latest edgy - it has a "help, get help online" thing
[08:56] <nixternal> there is one problem, which i am working on..and that is for those users with a winmodem..they are skrewed..because all help docs for winmodems point to the wiki..so i am looking at adding the Winmodem info into the Kubuntu Desktop Guide which in turn makes it into khelpcenter
[08:56] <nixternal> and then....include scanModem utility to figure out their chipset
[08:57] <Hobbsee> nixternal: that would be smart
[08:57] <crimsun> are you coordinating with sfflaw?
[08:57] <abattoir> Hobbsee: really? where?
[08:57] <Hobbsee> abattoir: edgy kde apps
[08:57] <imbrandon> abattoir, any kde app 
[08:58] <nixternal> actually...chattin' it up with jjesse concerning that...i will bring it up with sflaw for some info/input, or if i can help him out
[08:58] <nixternal> but it definately needs to get changed in the guides as well as in khelpcenter
[08:58] <crimsun> nixternal: ok, since he's heading up the dial-up team (...which I should join at some point)
[08:58] <abattoir> oh, ok i see it, has the launchpad rocket logo... doesnt seem to do anything though(or is it because i have konversation open?)
[08:58] <nixternal> ahhh..cool crimsun, i appreciate that info right there
[09:00] <Hobbsee> er, it does do something, but LP is down for maintenence.
[09:01] <abattoir> imbrandon, Hobbsee: it is still non-functional now?
[09:01] <Hobbsee> er, it does do something, but LP is down for maintenence.
[09:02] <abattoir> "Translate" also does not seem to do anything
[09:02] <Hobbsee> there was an update for it this morning
[09:02] <abattoir> oh ok, that explains it
[09:07] <nixternal> g'nite
[09:09] <Hobbsee> night nixternal 
[09:17] <raphink> Riddell: are you there?
[09:19] <Hobbsee> raphink: maybe a bit early?  he went to bed at 3am or something crazy
[09:19] <raphink> oh ok
[09:19] <raphink> well then I'll wait
[09:19] <raphink> 3 of my colleagues would like kubuntu CDs
[09:19] <raphink> and I'm giving a lot here
[09:19] <raphink> so I'm thinking of asking him to send me a few ...
[09:19] <raphink> ;)
[09:20] <raphink> say... a hundred or so if possible
[09:20] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:20] <imbrandon> yea i gave a TON ( 50 ) out at a trade show saturday 
[09:20] <imbrandon> was showing it off on my ibook ;)
[09:20] <imbrandon> on amarok and my ipod
[09:20] <imbrandon> everyone loved it
[09:20] <imbrandon> heh
[09:21] <Hobbsee> bah
[09:32] <imbrandon> heh and i get to package it ;)
[09:33] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:36] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you still around?
[09:37] <imbrandon> yea
[09:37] <imbrandon> building icewm
[09:37] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:01] <crimsun> well I did have to use an example, and you were easy targets
[10:01] <crimsun> =] 
[10:01] <Hobbsee> crimsun: hehe
[10:26] <imbrandon> crimsun, hehe yea ;)
[11:08] <Hobbsee> debian #351702
[11:08] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 351702 in ksudoku "Subject: ksudoku: Does not create an item in KDE menu" [Minor,Closed]  http://bugs.debian.org/351702
[11:08] <Hobbsee> hi _czessi 
[11:08] <_czessi> Hi Hobbsee
[11:08] <Hobbsee> hum.  that's interesting.
[11:10] <Hobbsee> kmenu's gone screwy.
[11:16] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: when do we get daily builds of konvi for edgy?
[11:16] <Hobbsee> :P
[11:29] <Hobbsee> malone 31923
[11:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 31923 in kdepim "kalarm is started in gnome" [Medium,Fix released]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/31923
[01:18] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell 
[01:19] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee 
[01:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i fixed amarok :D
[01:21] <Riddell> woo
[01:21] <Riddell> in which way?
[01:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: now the install mp3 script works, and it installs in /usr/bin, so those other couple of session bugs should be fixed too.
[01:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=2726 for when main unfreezes.
[01:24] <Hobbsee> Riddell: for the UVF exception for kopete, the changelog is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/17990
[01:24] <Hobbsee> argh, what else was there
[01:25] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, all but two of the kscreensavers work OOTB, which is way better than usual (i think we had less than half working OOTB in dapper)
[01:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: your launchpad integration package.  do you want to know about a bug for it now, or file it on launchpad?
[01:25] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what up?
[01:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: launchpad integration doesnt use default browser - uses konqueror
[01:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the reason i found so much stuff was cos i had a few hours to kill with no internet connection, waiting for my car to be fixed.
[01:29] <Riddell> it uses /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser
[01:29] <Riddell> you have a car?
[01:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes.  i have a car.
[01:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why?
[01:30] <verwilst> my old one is 4.5 yours, too old for a leasing car ;) ;)
[01:30] <verwilst> years*
[01:30] <verwilst> this totally off the record ofcourse :p
[01:30] <Hobbsee> verwilst: hehe
[01:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay, then the setting the browser setting in system settings, kde components, browser, doesnt work properly.
[01:34] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ sudo update-alternatives --display x-www-browser
[01:34] <Hobbsee> x-www-browser - status is auto.
[01:34] <Hobbsee>  link currently points to /usr/bin/konqueror
[01:34] <Hobbsee> /usr/bin/konqueror - priority 100
[01:34] <Hobbsee>  slave x-www-browser.1.gz: /usr/share/man/man1/konqueror.1.gz
[01:34] <Hobbsee> Current `best' version is /usr/bin/konqueror.
[01:34] <Hobbsee> yeah, system settings, kde components, browser, likely doesnt set that properly
[01:34] <Riddell> Hobbsee: what does kfmclient openURL http://google.com use?
[01:35] <Hobbsee> Riddell: firefox, the default browser
[01:36] <Riddell> so guess we should modify launchpad-integration to use that
[01:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: quite likely, yes.  did you want to patch it?
[01:36] <Riddell> Il ask seb what the best thing to do it
[01:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay, cool
[01:48] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, as soon as i modify the script to use a edgy pbuilder also ;)
[01:48] <imbrandon> w.r.t koversation nightly's
[01:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice, okay.
[01:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you should just be able to use edgybuild instead of dapperbuild?  or just change the location of the configfile?
[01:49] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, right now the build env for nightlys is on enterprise not voyager
[01:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: ah right
[01:49] <imbrandon> but i could add those scripts to enterprise ;)
[01:50] <Hobbsee> true
[01:50] <imbrandon> its set to run in ~10 minutes , i'll see if i can modify it before then ( 12 noon utc )
[01:51] <Hobbsee> cool
[01:51] <Hobbsee> it did in dapper.
[01:51] <Hobbsee> and in the changelog they've got it updated, saying that they're installing it.
[01:51] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[01:52] <imbrandon> gah , i just noticed , enterprise is still breezy lol, might need to upgrade that one today
[01:52] <Hobbsee> ouch?  heh
[01:53] <imbrandon> leaste it wasent horay , heh i tend to just let that server go, its the nfs server ( and i use it to schedule stuff ) heh
[01:56] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:56] <imbrandon> Riddell, i finaly found a bubbles wallpaper i like ;P now if they would just hue-shift it to purple it would be perfect for edgy ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/KubuntuWallpaperProposals  <-- the first one )
[01:57] <imbrandon> wonder if kwwii has seen that yet .... probably
[01:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: how pretty :)
[01:58] <imbrandon> hehe yea much nicer than the current bubbles ;)
[01:58] <imbrandon> and still is kdeish ;P
[01:59] <Hobbsee> maybe we wont have bubbles this time
[01:59] <imbrandon> hehe maybe not, but if we do that would be cool imo but i guess its ultimately upto Riddell / kwwii ;)
[02:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: more likely up to the KCC, i expect.
[02:00] <Hobbsee> and kwwii, of course
[02:00] <imbrandon> i do like the "glass" look of them though and would fit the images he has on bootsplash.org
[02:01] <Hobbsee> yeah, exactly :)
[02:01] <imbrandon> well if shifted to purple ;) heh , anyhow enough art for me for now, back to work on something programish
[02:02] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you can look at and fix the screensavers, if you want.
[02:04] <imbrandon> hrm sure, let me finish this konv script and the firefox thing
[02:06] <imbrandon> poor little enterprise, dist-upgrading and its only a 333mhz with 96mb ram ;P
[02:06] <imbrandon> perfect file server though 4 x 400gb sata drives raid 0 in it ;)
[02:08] <Hobbsee> cmvo: ping?
[02:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heh
[02:10] <imbrandon> dapperbuild sticks the result in ../ right ?
[02:11] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it should, but it doesnt
[02:12] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: it actually goes into /var/pbuilder/dapper/result
[02:12] <imbrandon> kk
[02:12] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: i think pbuilder stopped taking that directory
[02:12] <Hobbsee> s/directory/switch
[02:12] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i'm goona modify those later to use the local apt mirror too , i just thought about it and i have a dapper / edgy local apt mirror on enterprise i dident tell you about ;P
[02:13] <imbrandon> would save hundreds of mb of downloads on deps
[02:13] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: heh, true
[02:13] <Mez> Riddell, ping
[02:13] <Riddell> hi Mez 
[02:14] <imbrandon> moins Mez
[02:14] <OculusAquilae> hi Mez 
[02:14] <Hobbsee> hey Mez 
[02:14] <Mez> too many people
[02:14] <imbrandon> lol
[02:14] <OculusAquilae> :)
[02:14] <Mez> Riddell - when you arriving at LRL ?
[02:14] <Riddell> Mez: dunno, the trains are on strike, I may never get there
[02:15] <Mez> lol - well you coming down the day before or what?
[02:15] <Mez> (and I thought you were going in a cat with pickle again ?)
[02:16] <Riddell> was planning on getting a train
[02:16] <Mez> who's brining the kubuntu CDs ?
[02:16] <Riddell> me
[02:17] <Mez> lol - fair enough - well - I'll see if I can hijack a lappy for the stand
[02:20] <nixternal> drive!!!
[02:21] <Riddell> I have a licence, although I wouldn't trust myself
[02:22] <nixternal> he needs herby the love bug so he can drive across the ocean ;)
[02:22] <Riddell> but no car is the problem there
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: really?  i guess you wouldnt really need it where you are...
[02:22] <nixternal> Riddell: rent you a ferrari or lamborghini...you would make there in no time ;)
[02:24] <Mez> Riddell: rent one ?
[02:24] <Mez> Riddell: poke Mark ask if he'll chopper you down there
[02:24] <Hobbsee> hee
[02:24] <Hobbsee> *hehe
[02:24] <Riddell> seaLne: any idea if neuro still has a free seat in his car?
[02:26] <Mez> Riddell: er - I believe neuro's coming from france
[02:27] <Mez> oh, no - he's on his way back now
[02:27] <imbrandon> LGL
[02:27] <Mez> LRL
[02:27] <Mez> :P
[02:27] <imbrandon> LRL yea lol
[02:27] <Hobbsee> i got that much.  that doesnt help me.
[02:27] <imbrandon> linux radio live , germany
[02:27] <Mez> UK not germany
[02:28] <imbrandon> arg /me shuts up now lol i thought it was in germany, thats the dev sprint or something else
[02:28] <Mez> imbrandon, http://www.lugradio.org/live/2006
[02:29] <Mez> Riddell: couldnt you get a coach ?
[02:29] <Hobbsee> ah...
[02:34] <OculusAquilae> Mez: got my e-mail?
[02:36] <Mez> to which email addresS?
[02:36] <OculusAquilae> mez@thekatapult.org.uk
[02:36] <OculusAquilae> forgot others :)
[02:37] <Mez> OculusAquilae - leave SVN for now - use bzr
[02:37] <Mez> whats wrong with the bzr on the server ?
[02:38] <OculusAquilae> bzr: ERROR: Parent directory of sftp://u39654752-katoculus@thekatapult.org.uk/0.3.x-dev does not exist.
[02:38] <Mez> hahah
[02:38] <Mez> thats f**ked up
[02:38] <OculusAquilae> tvo couldn't connect neither
[02:38] <Mez> thats because you have it in the root dir of the FTP
[02:39] <Mez> I'm happy to give you guys access to the root
[02:39] <Mez> but you'll have to like - change your configs
[02:39] <Mez> to use
[02:39] <Mez> sftp://u39654752-katoculus@thekatapult.org.uk/oculus/0.3.x-dev
[02:41] <OculusAquilae> hm
[02:42] <imbrandon> heh those usernames look like 1and1 accounts ;P
[02:42] <Mez> imbrandon, they are
[02:42] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:42] <Mez> though when I launch my new site - i'm gonna be having my own server
[02:42] <imbrandon> imbrandon.com resides on 1and1 but all my other sites are on dreamhost
[02:42] <imbrandon> he thats why i reconised them
[02:51] <imbrandon> sudo chown -R buntudot.users pool/
[02:51] <imbrandon> gah
[03:00] <jjesse> join #ubuntu-bugs
[03:00] <jjesse> doh
[03:13] <Mez> Riddell: so - do you want me to wait till you can get there or just man the stand until you do?
[03:18] <Riddell> Mez: for what?
[03:22] <Mez> the KDe stall
[03:24] <Riddell> Mez: wait for what?  stand duty will be shared between me, you, seaLne, dannya and Ben Lamb depending on who doesn't want to watch a talk at the time
[03:24] <Mez> oh - kk - didnt know there was going to be that many people :D
[03:24] <Mez> lol
[03:24] <Mez> but you're setting up the stand - arent you ?
[03:24] <Mez> who's going to man it to start with ?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> Riddell: kaffiene, like amarok, only uses xine now, doesnt it?  not amarok?
[03:25] <Riddell> yes, only xine for kaffeine
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: good, so tonio_'s just screwed this up.
[03:28] <Mez> Riddell: who's setting up the stand ?
[03:30] <Riddell> Mez: what needs set up?
[03:30] <Hobbsee> or this is just screwed up anyway.  hmmm.
[03:30] <Mez> Riddell: I dont know - you tell me - I'm guessing at least the CDs and a Demo lappy
[03:32] <Riddell> putting CDs onto a table doesn't take long
[03:32] <Mez> lol
[03:32] <Mez> it does if you dont have the CDs
[03:32] <Mez> I can bring some breezy CDs :P
[03:33] <Mez> (but ubuntu not kubuntu)
[03:34] <Riddell> that won't go down well on a KDE stand
[03:34] <Mez> ;)
[03:34] <Mez> are the Kubuntu CDs the ones that are being sent through shipit ?
[03:35] <Riddell> yes
[03:35] <Mez> cool I may have to steal some seeing as mine havent come yey
[03:35] <Mez> yet *
[04:16] <jjesse> man pastebin is slow :(
[04:27] <Riddell> CDs up for testing: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20060718/
[04:27] <Riddell> CDs up for testing: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20060718/
[04:27] <jjesse> oooo
[04:58] <jjesse> Riddell: is that the knot-1 disk or just aa daily?
[05:27] <Riddell> jjesse: it's the candidate knot 1
[05:36] <nixternal> Riddell: graphics wise, if i was to take screenshots for "Knot 1" and Kubuntu for documentation...would I be safe doing so with "Candidate Knot 1", or should I wait until the first Knot is released?
[05:43] <nixternal> Riddell: polite poke..imbrandon just tested nixternal@kubuntu.org and he received  (reason: 550 <nixternal@kubuntu.org>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table)
[05:50] <Riddell> nixternal: yeah, that would be good
[05:50] <nixternal> sweet
[05:50] <nixternal> is this cd stable enough to be run outside of vm?
[05:50] <nixternal> if so, i must might put it on the lappy and run with it
[05:51] <Riddell> nixternal: I'm not sure how often the kubuntu-membership to e-mail syncing is done, wait a couple of days then we'll complain to the sysadmins
[05:51] <nixternal> thank you
[06:01] <Tonio_> hey
[06:02] <Riddell> hi Tonio_ 
[06:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: available to upload latest gwenview ?
[06:03] <kwwii> hi all
[06:03] <imbrandon> moins art god ;)
[06:03] <Tonio_> hey kwwii
[06:03] <kwwii> Tonio_: hey man, wassup?
[06:04] <Tonio_> kwwii: hum, nothing special ;)=
[06:04] <imbrandon> Riddell, wasent there a list of kde packages that needed a dep removed and rebuilt? if so can you point me to that again please
[06:04] <Tonio_> I'm looking at a kaffeine bug hobbsee reported me....
[06:04] <Tonio_> kwwii: and you, how is the job going ?
[06:04] <kwwii> good
[06:04] <kwwii> busy
[06:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: it'll need to wait until after Knot 1
[06:05] <Tonio_> kwwii: I can imagin
[06:05] <Riddell> imbrandon: /topic
[06:05] <Riddell> imbrandon: they only need rebuilt
[06:05] <imbrandon> k
[06:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can see with raphink eventually
[06:06] <Tonio_> there is no emergency
[06:29] <raphink> Riddell: are you there?
[06:30] <Riddell> hi raphink 
[06:30] <raphink> hi Riddell :)
[06:38] <Tonio_> hey raphink
[06:38] <raphink> yop Tonio_
[07:08] <nixternal> nice edgy wallpaper there ;)
[07:12] <kwwii> nixternal: where?
[07:12] <jjesse> check out the relase today :)
[07:12] <nixternal> the one on Riddell's pre knot release
[07:12] <jjesse> the daily build
[07:12] <nixternal> it has big yellow letters
[07:12] <nixternal> lol
[07:12] <Riddell> raphink did that
[07:12] <nixternal> Edgy Eft (Early) Development Version
[07:12] <nixternal> lol
[07:12] <nixternal> have him add a drop shadow and it will own ;)
[07:13] <raphink> thank you Riddell :)
[07:13] <nixternal> outstanding artwork there raphink on that one ;)
[07:13] <kwwii> hehe
[07:14] <raphink> nixternal: heh :) I'm not that bad with gimp
[07:14] <raphink> lol
[07:14] <nixternal> hahah
[07:14] <kwwii> later tonight i will start a wiki page with art stuff for edgy
[07:14] <nixternal> nice
[07:14] <nixternal> that kubuntu image you posted yesterday was awesome btw kwwii
[07:15] <kwwii> good to hear that :-)
[07:15] <nixternal> im gonna get that tattooed on my forehead...im selling my forehead for advertising
[07:15] <Riddell> which image was that?
[07:15] <imbrandon> kwwii, hue-shift this first one to purple and it would rock https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/KubuntuWallpaperProposals
[07:15] <kwwii> http://bootsplash.org/test-edgy.png
[07:15] <imbrandon> ROCKIN !!
[07:15] <abattoir> http://bootsplash.org/test-edgy.png
[07:16] <abattoir> oh, ok :)
[07:16] <kwwii> imbrandon: yeah, with a bit of touching up it could be perfect
[07:16] <imbrandon> dude thats awesome
[07:16] <nixternal> now those are bubbles
[07:16] <kwwii> anyway...time for a dinner meeting with a prospective client
[07:16] <nixternal> +1 imbrandon on the purple shift
[07:16] <kwwii> have fun
[07:16] <kwwii> bbl
[07:16] <nixternal> l8r
[07:16] <imbrandon> dude that test-edgy.png FREAKIN ROCKS
[07:16] <kwwii> :-)
[07:29] <Riddell> ooh, new KTorrent due
[07:29] <imbrandon> Riddell, do you want these build as i do them or want em to save 5 - 10 and give em to ya all at once ?
[07:29] <imbrandon> s/to/or
[07:30] <imbrandon> +1 ktorrent ;P
[07:31] <Riddell> imbrandon: want what built?
[07:31] <imbrandon> i'm going down the libgamin0 list
[07:32] <imbrandon> make sure each builds and uploading
[07:32] <imbrandon> making
[07:32] <Riddell> imbrandon: do debdiffs (which should be just a new changelog entry) and put the URL in the table next to the package name on that wiki page
[07:32] <imbrandon> with just a dch -i ( thats all it needs ya said correct ? )
[07:32] <imbrandon> kk
[07:32] <Riddell> assuming it builds
[07:32] <imbrandon> soudsn good
[07:32] <imbrandon> right right
[07:33] <imbrandon> yea i'm building them as i go testing them
[07:33] <imbrandon> arson is the only ftbs so far
[07:33] <Riddell> autoconf issue?
[07:33] <imbrandon> no actualy something in the auto.c i think
[07:33] <imbrandon> i would have to look again
[07:33] <imbrandon> i think its a gcc4.1 issue
[07:34] <Riddell> fun
[07:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: argh, I asked you on the bad channel.... damn ^^
[07:51] <Riddell> I wouldn't describe #ubuntu-devel as "bad" :)
[07:53] <imbrandon> hehe
[07:55] <jjesse> man doing online learning is sooooooooo boring
[07:55] <jjesse> zzzzzzzzzz
[08:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: not "bad" but I'm not sure it was the better place to ask for advices :)
[08:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: any opinion on this ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AnthonyMercatante
[08:24] <Riddell> Tonio_: "numeric life"?
[08:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: you say Universe but many of those packages are main
[08:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: looks lovely
[08:39] <mornfall> hi
[08:40] <mornfall> kubuntu-default-settings uses kconfig cascading right?
[08:41] <mornfall> (don't have kubuntu install handy... need to create a xen domain for it, hmm, hmm)
[08:41] <imbrandon> Riddell, what version should this goto ? dekorator (0.2fix1-1) dapper; urgency=low  0.2fix1-2 ?
[08:43] <imbrandon> or 0.2fix1-1ubuntu1
[08:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: numeric life looks like a very bad word to word translation from french ;)
[08:51] <seaLne> Riddell: nope sorry have you tried asking him (neuro incase you can't remember what you asked me :)?
[08:51] <Tonio_> time to eat
[09:34] <imbrandon> Riddell, ok i got a few 7+ uploaded and linked, pluss the FTBS logs for 2 if you wanna look at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates , i'm done for a few hours
[09:38] <imbrandon> erm your probably goin to sleep i can poke someone else about them ;P
[09:40] <Riddell> mornfall: yes it does
[09:40] <Riddell> imbrandon: dekorator 0.2fix1-1build1
[09:41] <imbrandon> ok Riddell ignor the diff for dekorator then , i'll redo that one
[09:41] <imbrandon> but there are arround 7 more ready for uploads
[09:41] <Riddell> imbrandon: after the tech board meeting hobbsee should be able to 
[09:41] <imbrandon> 5 -7 , dident count
[09:41] <Riddell> do them :)
[09:42] <imbrandon> ahhh yea /me forgot about that
[09:42] <imbrandon> heheh
[09:42] <jjesse> so we should cheer for hobbsee
[09:42] <imbrandon> i will ( not that my vote coulnts __much__ )
[09:42] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:42] <imbrandon> counts*
[09:46] <imbrandon> jjesse, yea ....
[09:46] <imbrandon> [14:43]  <imbrandon> yup its in 20 minutes , its the one hobbsee is going for motu ;)
[09:46] <imbrandon> [14:43]  <LaserJock> \o/
[09:46] <imbrandon> [14:43]  <zul> oh yesh...totoally forgot about that
[09:46] <imbrandon> [14:43]  <imbrandon> LaserJock, you mean i cants install in /opt/<package> </sarcasim>
[09:46] <imbrandon> [14:43]  <LaserJock> we need to overwhelm the TB with cheerleading
[09:46] <imbrandon> [14:43]  <imbrandon> LaserJock, right on
[09:47] <imbrandon> Riddell, you might skype her about 10 till since she's not online
[09:47] <imbrandon> cuz it is 20 till 6am there heh
[09:48] <jjesse> making her wake up early :)
[09:51] <mornfall> Riddell: you use some tools to prepare it?
[09:51] <mornfall> or is it hand-crafted?
[09:52] <Hobbsee> hi mornfall 
[09:53] <mornfall> hi Hobbsee 
[09:53] <jjesse> morning Hobbsee
[09:54] <Hobbsee> mornfall: oh good, you're also on my list of people to speak to
[09:55] <imbrandon> uht oh ;)
[09:55] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:56] <mornfall> what's up
[09:56] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell!
[09:57] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:57] <Hobbsee> mornfall: did adept_batch install libxine-extracodecs ever exist?
[09:57] <mornfall> it possibly did...
[09:57] <mornfall> hmm, it may have gone away in 2.1
[09:58] <Hobbsee> mornfall: was more a curiousity question
[09:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[09:58] <Tonio_> hey mornfall
[09:59] <mornfall> oh, you mean you won't make amarok depends: adept? :'( :p
[09:59] <Hobbsee> mornfall: well, i could... :P
[09:59] <mornfall> if someone feels like helping, it shouldn't be hard to add adept-batch package in ubuntu and depend only on that
[09:59] <mornfall> i won't add it in debian yet, since it's sort of deprecated anyway :)
[10:00] <mornfall> but it mostly works
[10:00] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee 
[10:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: dont die of shock, i'm actually awake
[10:01] <Riddell> mornfall: no, it's all hand crafted by taking my ~/.kde and slimming it down to what's needed
[10:01] <Riddell> and putting this in /etc/kderc
[10:01] <Riddell> [Directories-default] 
[10:01] <Riddell> prefixes=/usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/
[10:01] <mornfall> hmm, it's 10 pm around my longitude
[10:01] <mornfall> Riddell: okey, so it still makes sense to write a tool to distill profile from a given user's home directory :)
[10:01] <Hobbsee> @time sydney
[10:01] <Ubugtu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: July 19 2006, 06:02:02
[10:02] <mornfall> which is what i'm planning to do for fedora 7
[10:03] <mornfall> it'd be probably useful to share this one
[10:03] <Riddell> mornfall: sure
[10:04] <mornfall> i'm also wondering how much sense it makes to have the profiles in kdm/gdm login screen
[10:04] <mornfall> so the distro-default is selected by default
[10:05] <mornfall> but to make die-hard kders happy, have a upstream-default profile as an option there
[10:05] <mornfall> an*
[10:06] <mornfall> we had that implemented few years back for kalyxo, it was just a haaack :] 
[10:09] <mornfall> Riddell: do you include the menu-spec xml files in kubuntu-default-settings?
[10:09] <mornfall> take*
[10:09] <Riddell> mornfall: you mean /etc/xdg/menus/ ?
[10:09] <mornfall> yes
[10:09] <Riddell> that's in kdelibs
[10:10] <mornfall> yes, but do you customize that?
[10:10] <Riddell> mornfall: actually we mess it up in kubuntu by moving it to /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu to not clash with the gnome file
[10:10] <mornfall> err
[10:10] <Riddell> it's customised slightly from KDE otherwise
[10:10] <mornfall> okey
[10:11] <mornfall> when i have time i'll try to find out if there is a nice way to include that with profile
[10:11] <Riddell> mornfall: how does fedora do the menu stuff so that both kde and gnome use /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu ?
[10:12] <mornfall> Riddell: it just uses teh evil gnome one
[10:12] <mornfall> i believe
[10:12] <mornfall> which is one of the major annoyances with fedora...
[10:12] <mornfall> hmm, it ships /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu
[10:12] <Riddell> yeah, which is what I don't want to do
[10:13] <mornfall> i just haven't checked lately if it is used
[10:13] <Riddell> really?  I started a trend
[10:13] <mornfall> i should boot into fedora kde someday :] 
[10:13] <Riddell> but doing that goes against the standard and messes up stuff like menu editors unless you patch them
[10:13] <mornfall> it also ships /etc/xdg.d/kde/menus/applications.menu
[10:15] <mornfall> 3.2GHz P4 is too slow for kde packaging :\
[10:15] <Hobbsee> that was lucky, that i got away without my intro...sheesh...
[10:16] <Riddell> :)
[10:16] <Riddell> well done Hobbsee 
[10:16] <Riddell> now you can upload all of imbrandon's gamin rebuilds :)
[10:16] <imbrandon> congrats again Hobbsee ;)
[10:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: hehe
[10:16] <mornfall> errrr
[10:16] <imbrandon> hahaha
[10:16] <mornfall> what are you doing with gamin? :)
[10:16] <Riddell> mornfall: removing it from all the kde packages
[10:16] <mornfall> ah okey
[10:16] <imbrandon> not using it anymore
[10:17] <mornfall> --enable-inotify is it
[10:17] <Riddell> which means everything needs a rebuild so it picks up the new gamin free shlibs
[10:17] <Riddell> mornfall: yep
[10:17] <Tonio_> yeah Hobbsee !!!
[10:17] <mornfall> hmm, how did gamin get into shlibs? O_o
[10:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so just a rebuild, or remove them from the deps as well?
[10:17] <mornfall> that sounds somewhat un-nice
[10:18] <Riddell> Hobbsee: just a rebuild will automatically remove it (it was brought in by shlibs from kdelibs but that doesn't have it any more)
[10:18] <mornfall> well, i'm currently fighting with g++ (GCC) 4.1.1 20060711 (Red Hat 4.1.1-8)
[10:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah...right...okay then.
[10:19] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, i got a bunch of diffs ( and a few ftbs logs ) on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates
[10:19] <imbrandon> ;P
[10:20] <mornfall> ah btw, adept 2.1.1 landed in debian
[10:20] <mornfall> so when its time, you can sync from there
[10:20] <imbrandon> nice mornfall ;P
[10:21] <mornfall> also, adept will land in arklinux in some time, hopefully :) if things work out nicely, as a prerelease with next arklinux
[10:22] <mornfall> unification++
[10:22] <Riddell> rocking
[10:22] <mornfall> and it also means that bero is helping out with it, which is great
[10:22] <Riddell> what does arklinux use at the moment?
[10:22] <mornfall> kynaptic
[10:23] <Riddell> so due for an upgrade then :)
[10:23] <mornfall> yeah, but they use rpm, so adept wasn't an option until recently
[10:24] <Riddell> yes
[10:24] <mornfall> for fedora 7, i'll probably shove adept into fedora extras as well
[10:24] <mornfall> that could actually mean that majority of distributions get the same package manager on kde :] 
[10:25] <mornfall> +main
[10:25] <mornfall> suse is not going to happen i guess
[10:26] <Hobbsee> sheesh, did i get that really easily or what?
[10:26] <mornfall> Hobbsee: what did you get? :)
[10:26] <mornfall> chocolate? cookies? sweets?
[10:27] <mornfall> wanna share? :)
[10:27] <Hobbsee> mornfall: upload rights?
[10:27] <mornfall> ah
[10:27] <Riddell> suse will probably stick with their own messy yast code forever
[10:27] <mornfall> that's likely
[10:27] <mornfall> i'm not sure what is going to happen to suse/novell
[10:27] <Riddell> I heard that was implemented by a student years ago and nobody has wanted to touch it since
[10:28] <Hobbsee> haha.  why am i not  surprised?
[10:28] <mornfall> ahw :)
[10:28] <imbrandon> hahah
[10:28] <mornfall> okey, it should be probably noted that adept was written by a student too :)
[10:29] <imbrandon> mornfall, but its updated ;)
[10:29] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:30] <Riddell> mornfall: what is apt-index-watcher?
[10:30] <Riddell> and why is it running?
[10:31] <mornfall> evil workaround for missing apt post-update hook
[10:31] <mornfall> that should be fixed in edgy timeline i hope... mvo did some work on the post-update thingy
[10:32] <mornfall> \o/ smoke links again
[10:32] <Riddell> it seems to be spamming my /var/log/syslog a lot, first with
[10:32] <Riddell> Jul 18 20:20:49 ubuntu apt-index-watcher[24553] : SystemException: No such file or directory creating temporary file /v
[10:32] <Riddell> ar/lib/debtags/vocabulary.idx.U0ZpOZ
[10:32] <Riddell> and now that I've made that directory with Jul 18 20:31:55 ubuntu apt-index-watcher[24888] : ConsistencyCheckException: Unable to find any vocabulary data
[10:33] <mornfall> :'(
[10:33] <mornfall> it should probably depend on debtags
[10:33] <mornfall> enrico is out of reach
[10:34] <mornfall> installing debtags could fix that
[10:40] <Tonio_> argh
[10:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: you didn't miss anything
[10:40] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: heh.  dont you get what happened to me yesterday
[10:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: when do you think i should go for core?
[10:42] <imbrandon> no gst
[10:43] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I think they'd excpect you to wait a month or two
[10:43] <RichJ> hiya gusy
[10:44] <RichJ> runnin' edgy on the lappy...and it doesn't run hot on this lappy like dapper
[10:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, okay, fair enough.  i'll probably wait till it gets to the poitn of "this is stupid, i need to stop distracting others from their work so much"
[10:44] <crimsun> Hobbsee: -core requires well thought-out plans. You'll want to get that into /good/ shape before applying.
[10:44] <Hobbsee> crimsun: yeah, good point.  i'll just bug you main people for a while, i think.
[10:44] <Hobbsee> crimsun: and an intro.  sheesh :P
[10:45] <crimsun> the intro's not important, just the plan :-)
[10:45] <crimsun> not that I foresee you having problems getting -core-dev admittance
[10:46] <Hobbsee> true
[10:46] <RichJ> Hobbsee: did you do your interview already?
[10:46] <RichJ> lol...sorry ;)
[10:46] <Hobbsee> RichJ: yes.  i got it.
[10:46] <RichJ> congrats!!!
[10:46] <imbrandon> nixternal, wth was you thinking
[10:46] <RichJ> i had no clue it was going on
[10:46] <RichJ> easy now
[10:46] <RichJ> im not on my main system
[10:50] <imbrandon> kontact , heh good kde plug ;)
[10:50] <crimsun> grats Tonio_ 
[10:50] <imbrandon> congrats Tonio_
[10:50] <Tonio_> yeah !!!
[10:50] <RichJ> congrats Tonio_ 
[10:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks for you help :)
[10:51] <Tonio_> I'm not a great speaker, so that helped a lot !
[10:51] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: neither, dont worry.  they dont seem to bite.
[10:52] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: plz do :)
[10:52] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: please upload all this stuff for me, kthnksbye!
[10:52] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm ending my job on july 27, and I'll have lots of free time to work on kubuntu starting august
[10:52] <Tonio_> which isn't possible currently, infortunately
[10:53] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yay.  yeah, i get that too :(
[10:53] <Hobbsee> full time uni, work, and kubuntu keeps me pretty busy :P
[10:53] <Hobbsee> it's good though
[10:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: my job currently takes me from 8 am to 8 pm, sometimes 9 pm
[10:54] <Tonio_> and most of the time I'm simply too tired for kubuntu
[10:54] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ouch.  yeah
[10:55] <Tonio_> but that'll change in 10 days so that's cool
[10:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: but France has a 35 hour working week, that would mean you'd only need to work for 2.5 days a week
[10:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: france has great difference between theory and true life ;)
[10:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: : simply consider I have a 30 pages documentation to write for tomorrow 9am, and I simply didn't have time to write it...
[10:56] <uniq> tonio_: i'm moving house, so no time for ipodslave 0.8pre right now. If you've got the time, feel free to package it.
[10:56] <Tonio_> uniq: thanks for the info, will do
[11:01] <imbrandon> Tonio_, or if you have no time i could do it ( and test as i use my ipod non stop )
[11:01] <imbrandon> heh infact thats one i just rebuilt for the libgamin0 lol
[11:02] <Tonio_> imbrandon I'm on it right now, and then I'm starting my doc.....
[11:02] <imbrandon> kk
[11:03] <imbrandon> Tonio_, if your gonna upload i'll take it of my que to upload as all i did was rebuild the old and it wont be needed if your uploading a new version
[11:03] <kwwii> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas sums up the smaller pieces of the theme ideas (the wallpaper ideas and kdm, are elsewhere)
[11:03] <Tonio_> imbrandon depends if it builds correctly :)
[11:03] <imbrandon> Tonio_, okie ;)
[11:04] <imbrandon> lemme know then ;P
[11:04] <Tonio_> imbrandon sure
[11:06] <Tonio_> imbrandon hummmmmmmmmmm
[11:06] <Tonio_> looks like it depends a new lib... libqtpod
[11:06] <Tonio_> we need to get this one in before we can package ipodslave
[11:06] <Riddell> isn't that part of ipodslave?
[11:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is now splitted in two tarballs
[11:07] <imbrandon> k i'll upload ( err have Hobbsee do it ) the rebuild then we can look at the new version
[11:07] <Tonio_> and the second one requires the first
[11:07] <Hobbsee> aye, but i'm not uploading anything this ealry in the morning.
[11:07] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, hehe yea no worries tonight idf fine ;)
[11:07] <Tonio_> imbrandon will you package the lib (too long for me today) ?
[11:07] <Tonio_> if you do, plz ping me for revu
[11:08] <imbrandon> Tonio_, sure
[11:08] <imbrandon> ok will do
[11:08] <imbrandon> both or just the lib ?
[11:08] <Tonio_> I hate oleaving a job, since they all want that you write documentations on everything....
[11:09] <Tonio_> imbrandon well if you can you both, that'd be nice
[11:09] <imbrandon> heh
[11:09] <imbrandon> Tonio_, yea no probs just wanted to be clear
[11:09] <Tonio_> but before revuing the app, we need to get the lib in to avoid ftbfs
[11:09] <imbrandon> right
[11:09] <Tonio_> imbrandon kde-apps page has everything you need
[11:09] <imbrandon> ok 
[11:10] <Tonio_> latest one...............................................................
[11:19] <imbrandon> man its 38C outside atm , jez
[11:19] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice!  i'll swap places :)
[11:20] <imbrandon> heh
[11:20] <imbrandon> supose to be hotter tomarrow
[11:20] <imbrandon> 38 is tooo hot though, i like warm too just not bakin
[11:24] <Hobbsee> kwwii: WOW!!!
[11:26] <Hobbsee> :D
[11:26] <kwwii> Hobbsee: thanks :-)
[11:26] <Hobbsee> kwwii: they're great!  love the logo and usplash particularly!
[11:27] <kwwii> wait and see what comes out of this whole thing before you say that :p
[11:27] <kwwii> planning is a totally different world then realization
[11:28] <kwwii> but I must say that until now, I am pretty much free to do what I want
[11:28] <Hobbsee> kwwii: the artworks' not final yet - so you may as well get it in :P
[11:28] <Hobbsee> kwwii: and why not?  you do a great job
[11:28] <kwwii> very few other artists are interested in kubuntu, and kde in general, those that are interested work with oxygen
[11:28] <kwwii> (we have two new guys lately)
[11:29] <Hobbsee> nice ;)
[11:29] <Hobbsee> true
[11:29] <Tonio_> hey kwwii !
[11:31] <kwwii> howdy Mr. Tonio_
[11:31] <kwwii> Mr. Mercante
[11:31] <kwwii> ? is that right ?
[11:31] <Tonio_> Mercatante ;)
[11:31] <kwwii> yeah, even more complex than you think, typical french
[11:31] <kwwii> :p
[11:31] <Tonio_> was better than Riddell that generally spells Mercantine :)
[11:31] <Tonio_> it is italian
[11:32] <Tonio_> not french
[11:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[11:32] <kwwii> they are assholes too
[11:32] <kwwii> just kidding
[11:32] <Tonio_> kwwii: you cannot imagin :)
[11:37] <RichJ> what is up with the current source.list in the Edgy (Pre) Knot 1?
[11:37] <RichJ> sources.list as well
[11:38] <Riddell> RichJ: which installer?
[11:38] <RichJ> alternate
[11:39] <RichJ> i apologize as well for the @sched during the meeting...i had lost track of time..and im not on my main system..im in wifi land somewhere
[11:39] <Hobbsee> RichJ: it's okay, wasnt that much of a problem
[11:40] <Hobbsee> usually good to check the /topic first though :P
[11:40] <Riddell> RichJ: dunno, I saw it too, file a bug and Kamion should get to it
[11:40] <RichJ> ok
[11:40] <Riddell> RichJ: I'm sure Tonio_ will forgive you :)
[11:40] <Riddell> ...one day
[11:40] <RichJ> ya, it seems there is just edgy-security and cd-rom and thats it
[11:40] <RichJ> hehe
[11:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: well, he did get his core-dev, so he should be fairly happy
[11:41] <RichJ> ponies fix everything
[11:41] <RichJ> Riddell: i will say, edgy is performing better on this lappy then dapper does
[11:41] <RichJ> also, it doesn't run hot, where as with dapper, the fan doesn't turn on OOTB
[11:42] <Hobbsee> RichJ: yeah, i noticed that, i think...
[11:42] <RichJ> i can hear my fan throttle on/off/and speed changes
[11:42] <RichJ> i don't even remember that when this had windows on it ;)
[11:42] <Hobbsee> :P
[11:42] <RichJ> mine is sick too Hobbsee 
[11:42] <RichJ> this laptop is old
[11:43] <RichJ> i will break down one of these days and get a new one
[11:43] <imbrandon_> get an macbook ;P
[11:43] <RichJ> that is probably what i will do
[11:43] <RichJ> i will wait until around xmas, as that is when mac does their huge sales
[11:43] <Hobbsee> that's an idea...maybe.
[11:43] <RichJ> OMG...I CAN GET MACBOOK  via the uni at a discount
[11:43] <RichJ> thx imbrandon ;)
[11:44] <imbrandon_> hehe
[11:44] <RichJ> $1500
[11:44] <RichJ> it is a $200 or $300 discount..can't remember
[11:44] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, Airport and Airport Extreems work great in linux ;)
[11:45] <RichJ> PrismII, Orinoco, Athero's...those are the top 3 i believe
[11:45] <RichJ> ya imbrandon_ but there is no rfmon support, or did you figure that out?
[11:45] <imbrandon_> AE is PrismII and Airport is Orinoco
[11:45] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: yeah, but what's available here is a good question.
[11:46] <imbrandon_> RichJ, yea there is you just cant use the stock orinoco drivers if you wanna crack wep ;)
[11:46] <RichJ> can you use kismet with it?
[11:46] <RichJ> airsnort and such will run on almost anything i believe
[11:46] <imbrandon_> with a patch to the orinoco driver yea
[11:46] <RichJ> sweet
[11:47] <RichJ> did you do my orinoco patch howto on the wiki ;)
[11:47] <imbrandon_> no
[11:47] <RichJ> hehe
[11:47] <imbrandon_> i uesd a gentto patch
[11:47] <imbrandon_> gentoo
[11:47] <RichJ> that'll work i guess
[11:47] <RichJ> lol
[11:47] <RichJ> heh, i have a "Human" theme on my Kubuntu Edgy lappy
[11:48] <imbrandon_> i should really look at putting that upstream or atleaste in ubuntu
[11:48] <RichJ> how about kio-sysinfo  ;)
[11:48] <imbrandon_> i'll get to that someday , after libqtpod and firefox
[11:49] <imbrandon_> ok leve me be so's i can work ;P
[11:49] <Hobbsee> get working, imbrandon!
[11:49] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, will you ping me when you eventualy upload those diffs so i can mark them done on the wiki ( or you can heh )
[11:49] <imbrandon_> LOL
[11:49] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: sure.
[11:49] <imbrandon_> kk
[11:50] <imbrandon_> kk the ones that ftbs i attached a log to
[11:51] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, if you want they are on voyager in /home/brandon/files/edgy/rebuild/* ( so you dont have to do much but run a rebuild )
[11:51] <imbrandon_> or however you wanna do it
[11:52] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: right, yeah.
[11:52] <imbrandon_> but diff's linked on the wiki
[11:52] <imbrandon_> too
[11:53] <Hobbsee> yep, right
[11:56] <RichJ> hey, should bugs be filed against the daily-build knot's?
[11:57] <RichJ> or should i just create a list as i go and submit them to ya'll ;)
[11:57] <Riddell> RichJ: what's the problem?
[11:57] <RichJ> no problem..but as i play around with edgy, im sure im going to run into some things especially on the lappy...
[11:58] <RichJ> sources.list was actually the only issue so far
[11:58] <abattoir> Riddell: free?
[11:58] <Riddell> abattoir: syre
[11:58] <Riddell> sure
[11:58] <Riddell> RichJ: file away
[11:58] <abattoir> Riddell: just an update... have almost caught up w/ Kamion
[11:59] <RichJ> roger that Riddell...
[11:59] <RichJ> i will assign them all to Hobbsee then ;)
[11:59] <Hobbsee> RichJ: noooo!
[11:59] <RichJ> hahah
[11:59] <Riddell> abattoir: ooh, that's good to hear
[11:59] <Hobbsee> i've been fixing multimedia apps!
[11:59] <Hobbsee> well, one.
[11:59] <Riddell> abattoir: going to make your archive public?
[11:59] <abattoir> but he is committing vigorously :P . as I said earlier, just an update :)
[12:00] <abattoir> Riddell: sure, but is it ok if i have the directory structure modified for now?
[12:00] <abattoir> Riddell: I have all the files in a single directory ad test the prog. w/ the help of a wrapper...
[12:00] <abattoir> *and
[12:01] <abattoir> Riddell: i'll modify all the 'imports' when i finish...
[12:01] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: did you just upload kaffeine?
[12:01] <abattoir> if that's ok, i'll upload
[12:01] <Riddell> abattoir: should be fine
[12:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I wasn't coredev 3 hours ago, but raphink did yes
[12:01] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, can I do that tomorrow? :P
[12:01] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: arent we in main freeze, atm, due to knot 1?
[12:02] <raphink> hehe :)
[12:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hum.... argh, that's possible
[12:02] <abattoir> Riddell: i need to go see if my superkaramba themes work in edgy now that the gamin stuff has gone ;)
[12:02] <raphink> that was my last upload for Tonio_ :)
[12:02] <Tonio_> raphink: can you confirm you uploaded it ?
[12:02] <raphink> well no
[12:02] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: hehe!
[12:02] <raphink> actually
[12:02] <raphink> gwenview was my last upload for TOnio_
[12:02] <Hobbsee> raphink: well, i'm told it's in the archive
[12:02] <raphink> a minute before I advised him to go for core-dev tonight
[12:02] <raphink> ;)
[12:02] <Hobbsee> [08:02]  *** The channel topic is "Ubuntu Development (not support, even with edgy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Knot-1 freeze in effect - uploads to main frozen, ask Mithrandir for exceptions".
[12:02] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: raphink ^
[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: what are the consequences if packages have been uploaded today ?
[12:03] <raphink> Hobbsee: ah :( didn't know that
[12:03] <Hobbsee> that's why i was waiting on kopete and amarok
[12:03] <Hobbsee> raphink: :(
[12:03] <raphink> why is main frozen today?
[12:03] <Hobbsee> raphink: mithandir wont be happy
[12:03] <raphink> haha
[12:03] <Hobbsee> raphink: it's been frozen for a few days - due to knot 1 cd release
[12:04] <raphink> hmm ok
[12:04] <raphink> well this upload of kaffeine is a bugfix imo
[12:04] <raphink> right Tonio_?
[12:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: let's see what happens
[12:04] <Hobbsee> raphink: well, it is, yeah, so no UVF report filed
[12:04] <Tonio_> raphink: yes, previous package simply didn't work (my fault, I didn't upload the good one to revu)
[12:04] <raphink> can't do any harm to upload a bugfix if the issue is to prepare a knot cd
[12:05] <Hobbsee> raphink: on that basis, want to do amarok as well?  /me ducks
[12:05] <raphink> haha
[12:05] <raphink> Hobbsee: ask Tonio_ he'll be happy to sponsor I'm sure :)
[12:05] <Tonio_> raphink: haha !
[12:05] <raphink> :)
[12:05] <Tonio_> I don't want to be fired after my first main upload :)
[12:05] <Tonio_> sorry but forget me for this :)
[12:06] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[12:06] <raphink> haha
[12:06] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: is settings, printers, included in kdebase?
[12:06] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: want to fix that bug while your'e at it?
[12:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: are there issues with kdeprint still ?
[12:07] <Tonio_> I didn't test edgy for a few days now
[12:07] <Tonio_> since I'm heavilly required at work, I need a stable system
[12:07] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: no idea, i havent tried to print anything.  settings, printers, is just in the worng menu - all on it's own
[12:07] <Hobbsee> yeah, fair enough
[12:08] <Tonio_> 6 month of full time availability for kubuntu after this :)
[12:08] <Hobbsee> nice :)