[12:05] well, I have another holiday soon :S I'll get all I can done now... [12:05] also... [12:05] if you can ship me the layers in xcf that would help -- i can bang out some compositional variants [12:05] so that we get a good contact sheet up [12:07] the xcf is 10.8 mb atm [12:07] how about shipping this: [12:07] a) the logo with your primary gloss pass in transparent png format sole [12:07] b) some of the mock ups (at say, 640x480 jpg) [12:08] i have your logo already, which i used for bumping the mocks out of the gdm [12:08] erm [12:08] lsplash [12:08] as you can see. [12:08] the light grey will be completely transparent [12:08] the white pill will be treated with the same 'design' that we arrive at [12:08] you get the idea i am sure. [12:09] Who_, are you using a linear gradient to get that gloss? [12:09] Who_, because it appears to conform to the stroke line [12:10] troy_s: Which gloss do you mean? [12:10] say on the logo [12:10] see the sweeping 's' wave? [12:10] that goes from transparent to white? [12:11] Who_, ? [12:12] also: kick up the gradients a bit... notice how mysterious the gradient is for default dapper? head that way with a few mocks. [12:12] I can't go fast enough!!! ;) [12:12] Who_, and if you get them to me on a wiki or something, i can contact them all and announce the progress. [12:13] Will do [12:13] so here is what I worked on this evening: http://bootsplash.org/test-edgy.png [12:13] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/WallpaperProposal?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=wallpaper_weidel_metalbrown.png [12:13] it still needs some work, but it is coming right along, I think [12:13] and it uses the new official colors [12:13] very slick kwwii [12:14] do you have some variations? [12:14] cool [12:14] kwwii: i would love to see the curve gloss applied to the kubuntu logo [12:14] it looks very good. [12:14] A little suggestion: enhance the gap between the heads and the 'bodies' [12:14] variations :) [12:14] variations are very useful [12:15] kwwii: looks nice [12:15] ideally you get 20 or so banged out around a given thematic [12:15] who [12:15] did you get that image? that's weidel's and i think he has some curves that you might be able to work with [12:15] to get a good gloss feel. [12:16] kwwii: can you post the SVG version ? [12:16] Who_, here are some more good curves to try: http://sensitivelight.com/smoke2/ [12:16] troy_s: I did a proposal for a curved gloss on the logo for dapper, but it fell through [12:16] mhb: sure, one second [12:16] http://sensitivelight.com/smoke2/?image=5 [12:16] no [12:17] troy_s: do you know how these are made!? theya re great [12:17] that ponder was just for textural references... believe me ... the whole point of the exercise is to get the bloody folks to comment [12:17] and steer development [12:17] colored smoke, some killer shit [12:17] so we don't get caught in a glut at the end. [12:18] http://sensitivelight.com/smoke2/?image=15 [12:18] take the curves [12:18] gloss them [12:18] simplify . [12:18] just use them as loose basis. [12:18] also very nifty [12:20] http://picture.sensitivelight.com/smoke2/18.jpg [12:20] anyways... you get the idea. [12:20] i think those are distinct enough for curves [12:20] and we can gloss them relatively easily. [12:21] you are suggesting using the shapes as curves for gloss - I.E for the shape of the 'highlight' on the logo? [12:21] mhb: http://bootsplash.org/edgy_logo_idea1.svg [12:24] kwwii: thank you very much [12:24] no problem, I think I will post it on the wiki as well :D [12:26] Who_: should I add your bubble bg to that wiki page for kubuntu? [12:26] Oh, sorry - I am doing the GDM things still! [12:26] I'll do it now :) [12:27] hehe [12:27] no hurry, just wanted to be of assistance [12:27] just posted to the list [12:27] so let's keep me updated so i can collate the items [12:29] Who_: not that I want to be stupid, but is that BG taken from the fedora bg (only scaled in really far)? [12:29] my one? [12:30] kwwii: Wallpaper, GDM, all of it is original in work but obviously not in ideas [12:30] yeah, sorry to ask such a stupid question, but it occured, and you never know [12:30] which one where you meaning, out of interest? [12:30] no, I mean the bubble wallpaper [12:30] spheres [12:31] :P That was done ages ago... just hung about a bit until now... [12:31] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/BrownBubbles [12:31] that one i think he means [12:32] great work though who_ [12:32] yes, only the blue version from kde-look.org [12:32] it rocks [12:32] top notch... and hopefully we can get enough variations out to stimulate a little cross-polination [12:32] have you seen jmaks new gloss logo? [12:32] I would suggest some improvements, but all in all it is an interesting idea to follow [12:33] nope, link? [12:33] of course... the point is to not steer the boat too far just yet... [12:33] hold on. [12:33] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/XubuntuEdgy/Proposals [12:33] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/XubuntuEdgy/Proposals [12:33] troy_s: sorry for doing it first [12:34] hehe, I dig the ubuntu logo [12:35] the last one is best, because it does not have such freaky 3D-ness [12:35] it seems like glass [12:35] I kinda stole the idea of the curved highlight in the kubuntu logo I posted before from that pic actually [12:35] mhb You are too fast damn you [12:36] kwwii -- well davinci, picasso, and a plethora of other artists subjected their work to peer review. [12:36] kwwii -- it's the nature of the beast. [12:37] further, we get a certain similarity if this happens naturally, which i think is terrific. [12:38] troy_s: to be honest, I am honest enough to admit that nothing we do is new....music is the same way, all arts are, I guess [12:39] the idea is that we should all be playing in the same chord :-) [12:39] bingo [12:39] so that ideas from one can also apply to the other [12:39] which is pretty much the case [12:39] absolutely... and we are making very good progress [12:39] it is amazing for me, as kde artist [12:39] normally, everything we do is way to playfull and contrasty [12:39] i had to nag sabdfl to get some feedback, but it was important [12:40] well contrast is technically a polish / produce defined element. [12:40] not worth getting too caught up so early. [12:40] while here we have the same design ideas, with different color/saturation usage and things are still really close [12:40] yep... and during that final polish [12:40] the pushers [12:40] can tweak the finals [12:40] the ideas behind it are still more important than the implementation [12:40] into a very similar ballpark if it is warranted [12:41] absolutely! [12:41] again, the only glaring hole right now [12:41] although Who_ made some good progress [12:41] now if someone would brainwash me into loving wiki writing kubuntu would be on course too [12:41] is getting the 'larger' gloss look so that we can interpolate across the lsplash etc background [12:41] wiki writing is pretty darn useful... and it has some pretty damn powerful macros [12:42] lol [12:42] kwwii -- if you can churn out the work for the variations, i'll happily imagemagick it all [12:42] but we need a good deal of quantity [12:42] in the mocks [12:42] and just so you know, i target a tile geometry of 260 for the contacts [12:42] so don't worry about too high res. [12:42] yeah, I promised mhb I would start it tomorrow [12:42] they scale quite nicely. [12:42] I just need to put all the pieces together that I have so far [12:43] just ship me links [12:43] and let others add to that [12:43] i will at least get the contact sheet out [12:43] and that helps others. [12:43] ok, deal [12:43] great [12:43] I will send you links tomorrow to everything [12:43] i am very impressed with the talent level of the folks who are already around here. [12:43] I am ready for bed now [12:43] troy - I'm about to upload 5 variations of the glassy gdm. How do you want them? [12:43] there is certainly a large enough pool with diverse enough skill sets to get a good deal accomplished. [12:44] email me a link [12:44] put a private wiki page up [12:44] and email me the link === mhb wishes he had talent [12:44] i'll contact everything into an organized fashion [12:44] me too, things are working out really well, in a totally new cross-desktop kinda way [12:44] kwwii -- the biggest stumbling block [12:44] was getting the powers that be to start 'snooping' in on the development process [12:44] troy_s: I agree, but here it seems to be no problem at all [12:44] which is why having it transparent with deadlines and such is very important. [12:45] I mean, the people who want to do things do things, and it has little to do with arguing, etc. [12:45] hopefully if the teams deliver, the next phase will buy us some flexibility etc. [12:45] yepp [12:45] i would say that we got lucky and [12:45] sabdfl gave some good feedback [12:45] (after some prodding) [12:45] which helps me to get a clearer picture of where he would like to see the shape go. [12:46] because he DOES have an idea, but not much vocabulary to explain it in a useful way to artists. [12:46] hehe [12:46] I could have told you he would say that [12:46] I have a pretty good idea of what he wants [12:46] he definitely has a vision [12:47] well i had a pretty good idea too... but sometimes you need to get the absolute rule. [12:47] and that means getting several things on the table up front [12:47] so that he can go 'yay nay nay yay nay' etc [12:47] which was a missing step [12:47] again why i am deadset against overpolishing. [12:47] I guess the fact that I met him once before you did [12:47] spit it out, steer the boat. [12:47] yepp, "just do it" [12:48] further, the stuff that is pouring in now is getting more and more refined, which is very good. [12:48] it isn't completely scattered like a hand grenade. [12:48] I have found that we often ask too many questions of "those in charge" and should instead think of what they want to get out of all of this, and try to satisify that in the best way we can [12:49] if we do it well enough, we loose, if we pull it off, we as a community get to do what we want [12:49] exactly [12:50] but the trick here is appeasing that one fellow who hasn't given us a distinct wiki page for direcitonality. [12:50] :) [12:50] we are building it as we go, so it is helping. [12:50] well, appeasing the guy who is paying a lot of money for us to make this possible [12:50] exactly [12:50] el bingo [12:50] his vision is not that narrow [12:50] it just very good [12:50] and he knows when something is "right" [12:50] so let's give him that [12:51] no, but if we can deliver up to expectations, we can probably expand the genre in the future. [12:51] the fact that he checks in all the time on the list shows his interest [12:51] well whether or not everyone sees it as right is irrelevant :) [12:51] I am sure he has a thousand other things to do [12:51] yep... immensly busy [12:52] anyway...about time for bed [12:53] kwwii: goodnight [12:53] okie [12:53] get me those damn links soon kwwii [12:53] and bang out variations [12:53] if you have layers [12:53] I will do it first thing tomorrow [12:53] and can offer up a distinct set of variations [12:53] great. [12:53] thanks a million [12:53] oh look... i just got mail from viper [12:53] and tropic [12:54] i don't think that he realizes a proposal is generally something that you have done [12:54] :-) [12:54] :) [12:55] night man, see you tomorrow (with links, of course) [12:55] guess I will add Who_'s wallpaper to the wiki and pass out [12:56] I'm just doing it :P [12:56] whether he likes it or not! :-) [12:56] hehe [12:56] I tried to sound threatening [12:56] who_ squeeze out as many variations as you can okie? [12:56] literally - the page is in my browser [12:56] if you post the svg I can play with it as well [12:56] of the blue bubbles - I will post the ones i have, but they are _all_ worse than the final [12:56] I have a good idea (I think) [12:57] unfortunately the bubbles is a _terrible_ xcf - the whole thing is only 5 layers or so :S [12:57] don't worry about it being final [12:57] that is not the point, at this stag [12:57] stage [12:57] who_ loosen up bro... [12:57] :) [12:57] don't sweat the small details. anyone with any level of maturity should be able to spot the direction and build on it. [12:58] to be honest, I think it has too much contrast now, but I honestly think that with a bit of work it could be *the* bg for kubuntu [12:59] but then again, that is just what i think...if you post it, everyone can say what they think about it and we will get much further [01:00] I'm just looking back at the variations I have [01:00] how big is too big for a wiki attachment? [01:00] need linsk whosy [01:00] well neil put 7 megs of ubuntu gloss up [01:00] in a tarball [01:00] so... [01:01] but all i really need are a series in the 640 width zone [01:01] or 500 even [01:01] kwwii: I think we should get more different proposals for *the* bg [01:01] kwwii: or rather - some different proposals, a lot more variations [01:02] mhb: variations are key. [01:03] mhb: of course...one of the pics I will post tomorrow is an updated version of the last official kde bg [01:03] troy_s: I got it ... believe it or not, I'm reading your conversation and trying to get the best of it :o) [01:03] not sure if that design is best, but it is worth thinking about [01:05] the idea at this stage is to collect ideas and think about the future [01:05] kwwii: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/KubuntuWallpaperProposals [01:05] not have the final ultimate shit [01:05] I'm just sending a mail to the list [01:06] erm, sure the spelling is correct? [01:07] spelling where? [01:07] it probably isn't! [01:07] ohh, sorry kwwii - try now (that wonderful little think - the save page button :P) [01:08] hehe [01:08] thanks a lot [01:08] I really appreciate it [01:08] and troy_s: just for you :P https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/GDMProposal [01:08] I like the bottom one best [01:09] thanks [01:10] i like the ones with the extra variations of sweep lines [01:10] they look more complex [01:11] personally, it would be nice to see some with the same technique across the pill (with gloss) [01:11] and different lines against background [01:11] with me? [01:11] offer a little contrast in the content? [01:11] kwwii: I'm comparing your new logo with the old one [01:12] the fourth one is nice Who_ in terms of tonal gradients... [01:12] kwwii: it's so much better I can't believe my eyes :o) [01:12] troy_s: they use the 'brown bubbles' wallpaper with a heft motion blur :P [01:12] yah i see that... [01:13] i am actually pretty content with the lines alone, but perhaps with greater gradients to give that contrast... [01:13] also try to distribute your centers of gravity [01:13] notice how all the lines are flowing towards the middle? even compositional distribution would provide another great variant. [01:13] I'm not quite clear exactly what you are suggesting - making the white glassy bit more varied, adding some lines to it, or enchancing the BG a bit? [01:14] right, will have a play [01:14] Who_, A) the pill - the area where the logon render drops -- alter the lines so that they are different than the background lines [01:14] so that it looks 'on top of' [01:14] B) try some without the background blur, but keep the brown tones and use those as a gradient from a slightly more complicated lining technique [01:14] C) Compositionally distribute your line sweeps [01:15] that should give you a good variety in a short period of time. [01:15] D) in inkscape you can stroke the lines with a gradient -- you might want to experiment with that too... it is a very good effect [01:16] and you might want to try perhaps making the logo and text exceed the pill as per some of the mockups... they can offer good compositional variants... if you give me the layers, i can fart with the compositional end of things. [01:17] yea, I'm just packaging up an XCF.bz2 [01:17] damn fine work though who_ [01:17] troy_s: I will include some of the stuff I made for dapper in my links [01:17] absolutely [01:17] i just really want to get some good look feels out there in a cohesive and easily scannable package [01:18] not massive bitmaps to scroll past. [01:19] who do you do all your work with gimp? [01:21] troy_s: No - I very rarely use it - tonight for those GDM things is the first time in about a year. I much prefer Inkscape normall, hence the svg glassy font and logo and all the other stuff being SVG. There are just some things that I think it is easier to do in raster no vector - like drop shadows and nice rounded gradients [01:22] Who_, are those linear grads? [01:23] no, they are strange things got by Guassian blurring a rounded rectangle or a rounded 'hole' (I.E transparent rounded rect on a white BG) and then chopping out the inverse of the shape [01:24] whoa... go again? === AndyFitz [n=AndyFitz@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:24] the swoops? [01:25] in order to get the drop shadows I made the shape of the 'pill', filled it black, deselected all and blurred it. I then reselected the original shape (I had saved the selection to a path) and cleared the middle so that the black was only around the edge. [01:26] not so much the drop... the scripts do drops well enough [01:26] but the swoop grads [01:26] seem to almost contour to the sweeping line [01:26] swoop!? I made a swoop? [01:26] i still have yet to find an efficient way to do that [01:26] the lines crossing the gdm mocks [01:26] the slightly curved lines [01:27] the dark brown ones? [01:27] for example, in the logo you have a white translucent 'gloss' right? [01:27] that contours to a sweepy curved line [01:27] is that a linear grad up to the selection curve? [01:27] or is it more contoured? [01:27] no, it is not even a gradient :P [01:28] ah. [01:28] you should try to gloss those up with the same white curves [01:28] might be a direction worth pursuing... [01:28] a bit like the text and logo.... [01:28] I have too many directions in my head right now - it's mifnight and I'm sure I ought to eat some dinner :P [01:28] lol [01:28] ok... bang em out [01:29] send me the link [01:29] i'll contact all of the stuff and post to the list with a nice easily scannable page. [01:29] thanks again whosie [01:31] hehe - my computer doesn't like having this many large images open - things are slooooowwwing down [01:32] dual core 4 gigs of ram here :) [01:32] 64bit [01:33] 512mb on an AthlonXP 1900 :P not quite the same... [01:37] kwwii: are you actively working on the oxygen icons? [01:39] he seems to have fallen asleep :o) [01:40] Who_: (I think) he does ... it's written over here (http://www.oxygen-icons.org/?cat=2) and he has some icons in his SVN/ directory [01:41] for anyone interested - I just added the XCF to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/EdgyProposals/GDMProposal - troy_s: some fun for you [01:46] Who_: yepp, I am one of the three Oxygen artists [01:46] kwwii: cool - I really love some of the Oxygen icons :) [01:47] well, what I really mean is that I loved the previews I saw :P [01:47] Who_: good to hear :-) [01:47] check out the stuff we have in kde svn [01:47] Will they be available for Gnome and KDE? [01:47] we put the whole svg theme there for now [01:48] and a script to render them into pngs [01:48] the artwork has a long way to go, and we have a lot of icons to make [01:48] but you get the point from it [01:48] cool - I haven't every used KDE SVN - tonight isn't the night as it's already late - but I'll check them out soon [01:49] *every = ever [01:49] websvn.kde.org if nothing else [01:49] artwork module, Oxygen dir [01:52] erm, even I cannot find it right now [01:52] sorry [01:52] I am ready for sleep [01:52] kwwii: the Oxygen icons? [01:52] yepp [01:52] kwwii: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/artwork/Oxygen/ [01:52] yes, thanks! [01:53] and again night [01:53] the only address in KDE svn I know [01:53] I really need sleep [01:53] hehe [01:53] goodnight [01:53] good! [01:53] see you tomorrow === kwwii [n=kwwii@p5495771B.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Konversation] [02:01] anyone know how I link to an attachment on another page on the wiki? === AndyFitz [n=AndyFitz@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] [02:25] any opinions on the logo I just mailed to the list? [02:26] Who_: very nice [02:26] improvements? [02:29] Who_: Sorry, not from me at this late hour (2:28 here) :o) [02:29] I'm an hour behinf [02:29] *behind [02:29] and I'm off to bed [02:29] night all [02:30] Who_: goodnight [02:30] Who_: and thanks for all the good work [02:31] :) thanks === Madpilot [n=brian@ubuntu/member/madpilot] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === megabyte405 [n=megabyte@user-0cdvltn.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === waky [n=sleepy@xglusers.de] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [10:37] good morning [10:38] moin === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [11:07] troy_s: seems like you Artists are most active at night :o) === klepas [n=klepas@203-213-31-142.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === SS2 [n=SS2@dslb-084-057-034-137.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === megabyte405 [n=megabyte@user-0cdvltn.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [05:41] or we are westies [05:41] mhb :) [05:45] troy_s: most people I talked with were not [05:45] troy_s: at least yesterday :o) [05:45] weird. [05:45] night owls then [05:50] troy_s: you planned to put together the Kubuntu proposals from Ken, right? [05:52] i will yes. [05:52] i have found that it is hard for art folks to contribute when there isn't a guiding ruleset [05:56] troy_s: I wanted to read more about the artwork phases the other day, but couldn't find it ... could you please direct me? [05:56] indeed... [05:56] did you start at the root wiki? [05:56] i believe it is under documents now [05:56] wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation [05:56] try that... [05:57] or go to artwork and look for the subpage docu* [05:57] oh, yes [05:57] maybe it could be mentioned a bit more in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork, where I started [05:58] or maybe not ... I dunno [05:59] probably could. [05:59] our wiki-wizards are supposed to be on that. mention it to klepas [05:59] because bersace is on holiday right now. [05:59] and klepas is the other half of our super team. [06:00] troy_s: ok :o) [06:00] what is your background mhb? [06:00] troy_s: what do you mean? [06:01] troy_s: the wallpaper right now on my desktop? Or something else? === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [06:03] hi kwwii [06:03] howdy [06:08] kwwii [06:08]