=== nictuku [n=yves@ubuntu/member/nictuku] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz_ [n=mdz@150.Red-80-39-239.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] 01:48:33.099049 169.254.141.111.137 > 169.254.255.255.137: udp 68 (ttl 128, id 15045, len 96) [12:35] 01:48:33.102586 169.254.141.111.137 > 169.254.255.255.137: udp 68 (ttl 128, id 15046, len 96) [12:35] 0 [12:35] heh [12:35] random traffic on my network [12:35] methinks a neighbour wants internet access [12:36] Keybuk: bootp, kinda weird [12:38] isn't that part of the link-local discovery protocol? [12:38] could be a windows machine [12:39] Keybuk, do you run segmented wireless networks? === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] Burgwork: and in English? [12:41] 01:55:13.382275 arp who-has 82.108.80.243 tell 82.108.80.254 [12:41] ^ that's weird too ... why is it ARPing an IP address that's unused? [12:41] Keybuk, run two seperate wireless networks, one public and one private [12:42] oh, I know ... I stuck it in the root dns temporarily [12:42] heh [12:42] Burgwork: nah [12:42] Burgwork: im not that friendly [12:42] I used to, but my neighbours were taking the piss and downloading porn on it [12:42] ah [12:42] so I now only run a restricted-mac network [12:42] would be nice if the routers could do it ootb [12:44] "the routers" [12:44] ? [12:44] sorry, end of the day, mind is spacing [12:45] s/the// [12:45] I never run production firmware on a router anyway [12:45] always replace it with a Linux of some kind [12:46] openwrt is nice :) [12:46] I just run the wireless network seperately [12:46] and use a vpn over the top of it [12:46] want to get to the point where I can just run Ubuntu on a WRT [12:47] yay, that would be great [12:52] Keybuk: why would you want to do that? [12:53] Chipzz: because I can [12:53] what better reason is there? :p [12:53] you could consider using your better judgement? ;P [12:54] ubuntu is waaaaaaaaaaaay to big in way too many sizes to be usefull in allmost any way on a wrt [12:54] let alone that apt would not be a big advantage giving the limited rewritability of flash === anibal__ is now known as anibal === Toadstool is now known as ToadZzZztool === fimbulvetr [n=danv@24.220.28.74] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:10] Keybuk, that looks very much like my linksys router a minute before it dies :) [01:14] woo, complete ubiquity installation of edgy [01:15] whether it boots is another question for another day, I feel === ogra applauds === msw [n=msw@rdu-nat.rpath.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:16] Chipzz: hmm? Ubuntu can be as small as you want [01:16] a kernel, initramfs and minimal klibc-based or busybox-based root filesystem [01:16] doesn't need to use dpkg or apt, etc. [01:16] To: scott@ubuntu.com [01:16] Subject: Happy Birthday from Ubuntu Forums [01:16] Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:01:13 +0100 (BST) [01:16] how tacky [01:17] Keybuk: then what is the point in using ubuntu anyway? [01:17] Chipzz: means it's our code on there, rather than something else [01:17] Keybuk, H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y ! ! ! ! ! [01:17] ogra: not officially my birthday until "tomorrow" === ogra throws a big bunch of flowers ove Keybuk [01:18] bah [01:18] it starts at 00:00 ! [01:18] Keybuk: happy birthday :) [01:18] happy pre-birthday [01:18] ogra: but that's 19 hours before I was born [01:18] pfft, did you never party into your b-day ? did you care then ? === micahcowan [n=micah@69.36.252.2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] Keybuk: its tomorrow here already, deal. HAPPY BIRTHDAY. [01:23] Keybuk: or do you mean wednesday? [01:23] no he means in 19h [01:23] Keybuk: so I hope you're going to take a nice break from irc for a bit :-) [01:24] (since you did mention taking the day off) [01:24] yeah, we're going on a day out somewhere [01:24] rock, enjoy :-) [01:26] anyhoo, beer and dvd time [01:26] night === Gman [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:41] ubiquity_1.1.0_source.changes 3.7 kB, ok (0 s, 3.72 kB/s) ] [01:41] ha. right. bed. night. 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The massive array of packages, with the user friendliness bolted on, mean that I can recommend Ubuntu to anybody that wants a nice, simple distribution. Just make sure you download the alternate CD." [05:30] heh [05:30] hrm [05:30] ;-) === human_blip [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:07] what's the rule for patching packages in universe? [06:07] do I need to coordinate with motu, or can I just patch and upload? [06:10] the latter [06:11] I don't know I think he should have to have a MOTU sponsor it ;-) [06:12] sorry, that just struck me as funny for some reason === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:17] BenC: As a member of core-dev, you're implicitly also a MOTU. 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[06:40] Or such a nice way that you'll actually appreciate it while it's happening. [06:41] Maybe he'll get dholbach to hug you to death. [06:41] jdub: that's a good quote. Perhaps worthy of El Fridge? [06:41] hehe [06:42] infinity: :) [06:42] Crossiant|Nose>Keyboard [06:43] Ow. 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[07:43] Looks correct to me. [07:44] It'll resolve itself when the right version of wx2.6-headers is published. [07:45] sladen: Check the build log to see what I mean. [07:45] infinity: it has been. wx2.6 failed because of errno.h not being around [07:46] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+package/wx2.6-headers [07:46] ^^ That shows 2.6.1.2ubuntu2 published [07:46] infinity: yes 2.6.3.2.1.1ubuntu2 finally got built yesterday === sladen goes to investigate [07:47] It may be in the NEW queue, then. It's definitely not published. === infinity goes to look. === herzi [n=herzi@kiwi.mediascape.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:48] Yeah, the binaries are in NEW. [07:48] libwxbase2.6* was NEW. === infinity processes. === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c58-107-52-160.eburwd9.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:51] infinity: rocking === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua_@221.172.49.156] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:20] Launchpad will be going down in 15 minutes for its regular code update. Estimated downtime is 25 minutes. === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=crack@host-87-74-89-130.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:24] Good morning [08:24] hello pitti [08:24] infinity: hi, is there a failed upload of kst from 17 minutes ago? [08:25] crimsun: Could just be unprocessed, since stub stopped all the cronjobs on drescher in anticipation of the LP update. [08:25] infinity: ah, must be. Thanks. [08:26] crimsun: Yeah, it's in incoming. [08:26] ah, greta. [08:26] great^ [08:31] oh darn it. just when i was going to file a whole lot of bugs on it. === Gman is now known as GmanAFK [08:43] http://flickr.com/photos/mbp_/112373573/ <-- he got the shot [08:43] oops, MCM [08:45] morning guys === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:47] hey Hobbsee [08:47] hi fabbione :) [08:47] fabbione: i think you're in luck, you're not listed in my "todo" list. [08:47] Hobbsee: i am not sure how i want to read what you just wrote [08:48] fabbione: um, okay. while i was out, i made a list of all the stuff i had to tell people, and worked on amarok a bit. [08:48] fabbione: so now i'm finding those people, and telling them whatever i wrote down to tell them. [08:48] ah ok :) [08:48] well i don't use kde or amarok [08:49] fabbione: i figured that. [08:49] it's unlikely you will ever have to hunt me down [08:49] fabbione: sure i will - to scream at you for breaking X? [08:49] (quick, acquire a sparc, Hobbsee) [08:49] crimsun: heh [08:50] Hobbsee: nope.. i am off X too :) [08:50] fabbione: oh yeah. oops. i could scream at you anyway? [08:50] Hobbsee: cluster? sparc? === Hobbsee has one i386, that's it [08:51] Hobbsee: sorry.. none of what i do fits in there [08:51] fabbione: yeah, i figured that out eventually. === Hobbsee looks around for whatever happened to her brain. === kintaro [n=ad0lf@203.177.212.164] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukketto [n=lukketto@host203-159.pool871.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-69-14.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gaelduval [n=gaelduva@gam14-2-82-230-24-115.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@156.Red-88-15-196.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nomed [n=nomed@host40-122.pool872.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:17] hi all === lukketto [n=lukketto@host203-159.pool871.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [09:19] hi nomed === Hwyvar [n=Ferdinan@cp106356-c.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukketto [n=lukketto@host203-159.pool871.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gloubiboulga_ [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shenki [n=shenki@ppp168-239.lns3.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StevenK_ is now known as StevenK === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-96-51.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:00] jdub: URL? I'd like to ensure that his desktop CD problems are fixed in the first point release. === el [n=konversa@u40-30.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:01] (since I believe I've now fixed at least half of the top ubiquity crashers from dapper in edgy) [10:02] Kamion: yay! === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] Kamion: sorry [10:03] Kamion: http://www.free-bees.co.uk/articles/ubuntu606/ [10:04] ok, one system freeze, no idea what that is [10:04] one instance of gparted not embedding properly, hmm [10:04] another instance of the installer spewing an unspecified error message === Kamion goes to send a comment === Spads [n=crack@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === azeem_ is now known as azeem [10:16] TheMuso: care to look at https://launchpad.net/bugs/53277 ? [10:16] Malone bug 53277 in casper "casper's accessibility ubiquity hook shouldn't use log_end_msg" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] [10:21] Riddell: pth needs work before main approval, see MIR === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@15-17.241.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F71A9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hwyvar [n=Ferdinan@cp106356-c.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:47] seb128: FYI: cairomm approved for main (gtkmm2.4 b-dep) === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-103-108.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:59] morning === blixtra [n=chris@i577B2ECA.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:00] pitti: thank you [11:00] hi sivang === sivang hugs Hobbsee :) === Hobbsee hugs sivang in return :) [11:00] seb128: why can't I enable system sounds without enabling software mixing? My sound card does hardware mixing just fine.. [11:01] Mithrandir: because libgnome uses the esd API to play them [11:01] Mithrandir: switching that code to gstreamer is planned though [11:03] seb128: ahkay. Any good reason for the panel eating 40% cpu here? up-to-date-edgy [11:03] Mithrandir: is the menu "flicking" too? [11:04] we have some bugs about it but nobody provided useful enough datas about the issue === sivang dist-upgrades [11:04] seb128: the applications menu is, the others seem fine. [11:04] ok [11:04] let me find the bug number [11:04] ogra was supposed to get a debug log but he didn't [11:04] Mithrandir: bug #52405 [11:04] Malone bug 52405 in gnome-panel "gnome-panel eats 50% cpu for half an hour and flickers" [Untriaged,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/52405 [11:05] Mithrandir: gnome-session-remove gnome-panel && MENU_VERBOSE=1 GNOME_PANEL_DEBUG=1 BONOBO_ACTIVATION_DEBUG_OUTPUT=1 gnome-panel ... and try to figure what event make it updates in loop could be useful [11:06] Mithrandir: a backtrace (with gnome-panel-dbg install) could be useful too [11:06] seb128: I gotta grab some food, but I'll do that once I get back. [11:06] thank you === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.28.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B344F.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti hugs dholbach === dholbach hugs pitti [11:11] good morning [11:12] hi dholbach, pitti [11:12] hey Hobbsee === Arbiter [n=arbiter@adsl-238-64.37-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:14] hi dholbach [11:14] utch [11:14] they reversed the order of comments to launchpad? [11:14] hey seb128 [11:15] new comments are on top now [11:15] yeah seems like :/ [11:15] it's very confusing [11:15] not again? [11:15] and you don't have the current comment next to the text entry, which is not handy to reply to it [11:25] seb128: apparently a bug, should be fixed soon === shenki_ [n=shenki@ppp168-239.lns3.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:25] (already fixed on staging) === Arbiter [n=arbiter@adsl-238-64.37-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@221.221.148.88] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:30] Kamion: ah, cool, thank you === ToadZzZztool is now known as Toadstool [11:44] are uploads to main still frozen? [11:44] yes. [11:44] we'll hopefully be able to get knot out today, though. [11:44] Mithrandir: okay, i'll put it in the "to do list of packages to either upload myself, or bug people to upload" === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD9508093.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089D68B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hwyvar [n=Ferdinan@cp106356-c.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:59] whiprush: your blog entry works on your blog, but is horridly broken on planet.ubuntu [12:01] HiddenWolf: known bug :) [12:02] heh, i figured. [12:03] Kamion, in case you are intrested in the precise error from yesterday (i only worked around it in ltsp) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18254 (i also have the full log stored) === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:04] ogra: looks like you're not (correctly) telling debconf to use the noninteractive frontend [12:05] there is no reason it should be trying whiptail if invoked correctly [12:05] hmm [12:05] also a bug that debian-installer/{keymap,language} aren't being copied [12:05] thats why i always get the resolution question then ... [12:05] i thought it was an X breakage :) === ogra looks why its broken [12:06] uh [12:06] ok, so do you want the resolution question to be asked in the event that X can't autodetect it? === Kamion goes and looks at the code [12:07] oh, I see, very broken [12:08] ogra: I'd suggest replacing that whole env -u ... command (including the redirections) with 'in-target /usr/sbin/ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom' [12:09] Kamion, i dont want any configuration ... that would be the best, but we're missing a debconf key for that :) [12:09] needs di-utils (>= 1.20) [12:10] you could probably do 'DEBIAN_PRIORITY=critical in-target ...' to avoid the question === blixtra [n=chris@i577B2DC9.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] it's asked at priority high [12:12] in-target does all the chroot magic ? [12:15] Kamion, *all* the redirections ? you mean i shouldnt create a separate logfile ? [12:17] ogra: correct [12:17] /var/log/messages is obsolete [12:17] in-target does the logging for you [12:18] and yes, in-target does all the chroot magic [12:18] of which nowadays there is quite a lot [12:18] well, i'd lie to keep a separate log as well, so i dont have to dig for the ltsp stuff in the big one [12:19] *like [12:19] you don't keep a separate log right now though [12:19] sure [12:19] in /var/log/installer/messages in the target system after install [12:20] that's only by fluke because you're out of date with respect to the rest of the installer code [12:20] (i had renamed that in my branch to ltsp-client.log already) [12:20] ah, k [12:20] Kamion: I have a live cd where gfxboot doesn't work, but usplash does. It worked with my old monitor, though. Is there a useful way for me to debug this? [12:21] ogra: it would really be strongly preferable for you to use in-target, but perhaps you could do: [12:22] in-target sh -c '/usr/sbin/ltsp-build-client --mirror file:///cdrom > /var/log/ltsp-build-client.log 2>&1' [12:22] it will be less convenient for users trying to work out what's going on though [12:22] because that log won't appear on tty4 [12:23] Mithrandir: hmm. I think there might be some magic keystrokes [12:23] Mithrandir: I think you can hold down shift at boot to get into a failsafe mode [12:23] Kamion, i'll live with the bigger log, dont worry [12:24] well, anyway, the above is how to get a separate log [12:24] yep, thanks :) [12:24] seb128: gnome-settings-daemon fails to start on the live cd -- no reply within specified time. === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@213-156-52-99.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hwyvar [n=Ferdinan@cp106356-c.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mithrandir wonders how to debug that. [12:43] btw, whats holding us up now ? [12:44] we need to get all the ISOs tested. === Yvonne [n=01101110@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra was looking and saw no isos :) [12:44] and I have the problem mentioned above which would be nice to debug or check if it's just my system. [12:44] well, it works on my installed system from 20060717.1 [12:44] ogra: dude, I can surely build you ISOs, but if you want me to, you need to actually ask. I suck at mind-reading, just ask simira. [12:45] Mithrandir, no, i'm fine building them myself :) [12:45] i didnt know ubuntu was ready so far [12:46] but livefses would be nice :) [12:46] just a sec, I need to get this kiwi juice off my fingers [12:47] no hurry :) [12:47] ok, edubuntu livefs-es building. [12:47] Riddell: you probably want kubuntu livefs-es too? [12:58] Mithrandir: yes please [12:59] Riddell: I'll build you ones once the edubuntu ones are done, then === mat|work [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:23] Riddell: there are a lot of qtparted crashes relating to NTFS; see bug 47194 and the zillion duplicates. Is there anything you can do to stop it crashing? If so, getting a fix into the Dapper point release would be nice. [01:23] Malone bug 47194 in ubiquity "qtparted seems to crash on some setups; deal with this better?" [Medium,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/47194 [01:23] (I'm not sure if all of those are related to NTFS though) [01:24] unfortunately there's no particularly easy way to get a crash dump from people, and it doesn't seem to output anything on stderr when it crashes [01:25] Kamion: is there a way to create NTFS partitions so I could try it out? [01:25] install Windows [01:26] tricky, no windows CD here [01:26] ntfstools might be able to do it [01:26] dunno - I doubt it happens on all NTFS filesystems [01:26] I think only ones that are subtly buggered === Hobbsee hopes she doesnt get asked to test. [01:27] is it possible to try to trace through the qtparted code and make sure that it handles NTFS check failures gracefully? [01:27] Kamion: speaking of point release, we left a couple of sparc changes in the middle. I was wondering if after knot1 we can start looking at them and possibly start to push them in the archive. Mainly so that i can build a custom d-i for pre-testing [01:27] fabbione: sure [01:28] Kamion: thanks that would be just awesome. [01:28] remind me afterwards [01:28] yup [01:29] I dont think i found that ntfs bug on the dapper ubuntu cd that i tried, with ubiquity. i never tested kubuntu cd, so i'm probably not much help. [01:29] Riddell: i could create an ntfs image for you? [01:30] Lathiat: on my machine? [01:30] no but i could dd it off? [01:30] and send? [01:30] how large does it need to be? [01:30] altho fi i zero it first should compress ok [01:30] not large [01:31] name a size? [01:32] sladen: daf was packaging it for Debian I think, but then at guadec I heard that dholbach had packaged most of it for Ubuntu anyway [01:36] pitti: im just uploading breezy/hoary kernels now [01:36] zul: thanks [01:36] zul: I already released the dapper one this morning, since this was quite urgent [01:36] i saw that [01:38] Lathiat: 10MB === epx [n=Elvis@200.249.192.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] Lathiat: we have no idea - I'm not sure random NTFS filesystems will help [01:38] Lathiat: needs to be one that we know the Kubuntu CD crashes on, really [01:38] er Kubuntu ubiquity [01:38] hm right [01:38] when does it crash? resizing? [01:39] or just magically? [01:39] seb128: what's the best way to get a patch into launchpad-integration? [01:39] cus i can try the iso and see if it crashes? [01:39] Lathiat: I believe it's when they go into the advanced partitioner, do pretty much anything, and then say Next === nomed_ [n=nomed@host71-196.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] where do i get the iso? [01:39] I don't generally get a whole lot of detail [01:39] kubuntu.org/download.php [01:39] http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dapper/ [01:39] oh dapper? === coyctecm [n=coy@a84-230-81-205.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:39] yes [01:39] im pretty sure i've installed kubuntu dapper .. [01:39] cant remember if it was final [01:40] i'll give it a shot, cant hurt [01:40] oh, grrrrrrrr, now it managed to start the daemon. [01:41] but my background is slate, not brown === RemoteViewer [n=555@stan.physik.fu-berlin.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mithrandir twiddles his thumbs while vivies finishes the edubuntu image. [01:43] Mithrandir: it's still doing edubuntu livefs's? [01:43] Riddell: yeah. The sparc is slow as molasses. [01:44] Riddell: eta ~15 minutes === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] ogra: edubuntu built. [01:50] thanks ! [02:00] Riddell: could you also review the kde-ui changes in r1403 in my ubiquity branch? [02:00] I haven't tested them ... [02:02] Riddell: of course it's still not perfect - if gparted/qtparted keep crashing, then ubiquity should give up [02:02] and tell the user [02:03] hmm, actually that's relatively easy to do isn't it ... [02:03] Kamion: looking.. === basanta [n=basanta@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] ogra: the livefs didn't work due to an untested change to the livefs build script. Sorry; I'll rebuild it once we've tested the change properly. [02:10] oki [02:10] ogra: You can blame me for not testing. Or blame Mithrandir for having the machines blocked when I wanted to test. Pick one. :) [02:10] I need to clear up some disk space to test livefs changes locally again. === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:11] infinity, pfft i'll take our best whipping boy and just blame launchpad :P [02:12] ogra: you mean it's a GTK bug? [02:12] it's the bug comment ordering's fault! :-P [02:12] I prefer to blame launchpad only when it's actually at fault, so we get heard. :) [02:12] Blaming GTK is fair game, though. [02:12] pitti, yeah ... [02:12] Mithrandir: everything's the fault of that, yes. that sends everyone crazy, then they understand nothing. :P [02:14] Grr, security really needs to move back to the DC... [02:14] infinity+++++++++++ [02:14] OTOH, I mean, it's just *yet* another 45 minutes of delay... === nikusan [n=dan@d58-108-116-214.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:15] Oh, for the love of. Options come AFTER the source/dest args? WHO WROTE THIS TOOL? === infinity tries AGAIN. [02:15] infinity: oh yeah, I forgot to tell you that, didn't I? It's crackful. [02:24] Whee, why is it failing there? I didn't break that part... === infinity fiddles MORE. [02:28] infinity: Yes, we're going to do that. We were planning on doing that after this kernel bandwidth peak. === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:31] Riddell: open a bug with it on the launchpad-integration package === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:32] Riddell: another untested patch (r1404) in my branch to stick up crash dialogs if gparted or qtparted crash so that we don't spin repeatedly reinvoking them. (I'll test before release; I just wanted to get the patch out of the way.) [02:32] Kamion: it's still branching.. === chuck [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:34] Mithrandir: Okay, I think it's sorted now. [02:36] infinity: I'll build edubuntu and kubuntu livefs-es, then [02:36] infinity: thanks === segfault [i=segfault@ubuntu/member/segfault] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chuck is now known as zul [02:38] hmm, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/20060718/ looks a bit weird ... [02:38] seems i got dapper isos :P [02:38] Picky, picky, [02:39] ogra: hehe...who wants edgy iso's anyway..... [02:39] ogra: yeah, easy to fix [02:39] it's a quirk of the CD build system changes done in the dapper cycle [02:39] i just noted that my rsync script fails ... it looks fo redgy :) [02:40] fixed [02:40] oh, hang on, you got ONLY dapper ISOs === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.37.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:40] seb128: Riddell: assuming you're talking about the browser launchpad-integration opens with, there's a bug listed at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/launchpad-integration/+bug/3810 and i added my comments to it [02:40] Malone bug 3810 in launchpad-integration "Launching "Get help online" from a browser should launch within that browser" [Medium,Confirmed] [02:40] ogra: so, you know the way I asked you recently to check the build log before talking to me? [02:41] ogra: did you listen? :-P [02:41] Kamion, i know that this livefs is broken ... but at some point i need something to rsync on [02:41] else it'll take me days to download [02:41] ogra: you need to rm -f ~/.ssh/known_hosts on lithium, because a lot of host keys have changed; and furthermore there was no livefs at all for lithium to fetch from any of the buildds [02:42] it's not so much broken as NOT THERE [02:42] at least not at the time of build [02:42] hmm [02:42] it might be there now === ogra removes the host keys [02:43] looks like it was a casualty of the livefs build bug that infinity and Mithrandir were discussing above. [02:43] yep === kintaro [n=ad0lf@203.177.212.164] has joined #ubuntu-devel === truz_`24 [n=truz_`24@74.129.166.232] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] Hobbsee: I rather think he's speaking about lpi for KDE [02:50] seb128: huh? [02:52] Hobbsee: what? [02:53] so, it appears that gnome-settings-daemon will fail to start if it takes more than 25 seconds. Which can conceivably happen when you're booting a live cd. [02:53] seb128: were you originally referring to my comment about the bug report, said above? [02:55] Hobbsee: no, replying to "assuming you're talking about the browse" [02:56] seb128: yeah, right. the same thing as what i'm referring to. i'm a KDE user... [02:57] Hobbsee: let me phrase it again, "no we are not speaking about "open with"", but about launchpad-integration (apt-cache show launchpad-integration) [02:57] seb128: do you have any ideas what to do about the problem I'm talking about above or should we just ignore it? [02:57] seb128: ohh...sorry. FYI, Riddell's just got a patch about fixing the "use the default browser" patch for kde... [02:57] Mithrandir: the flicking menu one? not good to ignore, but if you commented on the bug with bt and log I didn't read it yet [02:58] seb128: no, the "I don't get my brown colours" one. [02:58] seb128: on the live cd. [02:58] Hobbsee: I don't use about KDE and I didn't know he was not using the right browser ... for dapper only Ubuntu had lpi, I think the discussion is rather about getting the feature for kubuntu too no? [02:59] Mithrandir: ah, the gnome-settings-daemon, did read enough backlog when coming back :p [02:59] Mithrandir: does starting it by hand works fine? [02:59] seb128: unless i'm going totally mad, which is quite possible, it came into kubuntu edgy today. [03:00] Hobbsee: ok, please stop trying to stop to that conversation, you seem to have better information than me, I don't use KDE === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:00] seb128: it's actually started automatically after the dialog complains about it not starting quickly enough. [03:00] Hobbsee: if it landed to KDE it might be a discussion about having that code shipped with the previous launchpad-integration source package === Zdra [n=zdra@15-17.241.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:01] Mithrandir: weird, now gnome-session starts it over dbus ... I'm wondering if that could be a dbus issue [03:01] Mithrandir: like the session bus starting late or something [03:01] seb128: it's a timeout. The default dbus timeout is 25 seconds and I wouldn't be surprised if it could take more than that to start stuff when booting the live cd. === Hobbsee disappears in a puff of very confused smoke. I'm using kubuntu edgy, and the only problem so far is that it doesnt use the default browser. Riddell's got a patch listed on LP against it, which fixes the issue. That's all i'm trying to say, seb128 [03:02] Hobbsee: so, no, that's not what we are speaking about to reply to your first question [03:02] Hobbsee: I didn't know that kubuntu got lpi yet and I didn't know about that bug [03:02] seb128: okay, i'm sorry. [03:02] np === Hobbsee guessed, as Riddell said he was going to talk to you earlier about it. i think i'll go and fix kaffeine. i might win that battle :P [03:04] Hobbsee: your comment to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/launchpad-integration/+bug/3810 is confusing too [03:04] Malone bug 3810 in launchpad-integration "Launching "Get help online" from a browser should launch within that browser" [Medium,Confirmed] [03:04] Hobbsee: the bug is about "if you click on a lpi item from firefox, it opens a new window instead of loading the page to the window you used for the click" [03:04] seb128: okay, ignore my comment. [03:05] Hobbsee: it's not about what app is started [03:05] oh shit, i'm really reading things wrong tonight. === gaelduval [n=gaelduva@gam14-2-82-230-24-115.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [03:07] Mithrandir: is that happening with all the CDs atm? I would need to try ... maybe we can change the timeout as a workaround? [03:07] Robot101: i'll work with daf together to get it done and included in ubuntu [03:08] seb128: seems to be all CDs, yes, but it appears gnome-settings-daemon isn't the only problem. The theme is just wrong too. [03:08] seb128: isn't "Human" supposed to be default? [03:09] Mithrandir: without gnome-settings-daemon no theme is applied [03:09] themes are overrated on alpha quality CDs [03:09]