[12:14] <jenda> nixternal, will there be meeting minutes or should I read the log?
[12:15] <nixternal> there will be meeting minutes
[12:15] <nixternal> after dinner ;)
[12:16] <MenZa> Huzzah jenda
[12:16] <jenda> Huzzah Mezzah
[12:16] <jenda> *Menzzah
[12:20] <MenZa> o_o
[04:21] <nixternal> jenda: ping?
[04:21] <nixternal> hiya Rinchen
[04:22] <Rinchen> Howdy Nix
[04:38] <nixternal> hehe
[04:50] <nixternal> hehe...thanks bimberi ;)
[04:50] <nixternal> it will be worthless someday ;)
[04:50] <nixternal> actually..as soon as i signed it
[04:51] <bimberi> pffft
[05:04] <Rinchen> Hey nix if you see Sara let her know the answer to ssh is in email...and my mail server is down :-)  Soon as it's back she'll get all the step by steps
[05:04] <Rinchen> please and thanks
[05:05] <nixternal> roger that
[05:05] <nixternal> if i don't forget of course
[05:05] <Rinchen> lol yeah I know..she's sending email but I don't see her on IM or irc
[05:06] <Rinchen> ok, going to put the 2yo to bed and then frag folks in legacy ...cheers
[05:13] <bimberi> gee, Launchpad generates a lot of email ;)
[05:16] <nixternal> ya it does
[06:27] <adamant1988> hello all
[06:41] <adamant1988> hey nixternal
[06:41] <nixternal> hiya adamant1988
[06:41] <adamant1988> how's life, the kids, your growth, w/e?
[06:42] <nixternal> well..power just came back on, so that is good
[06:42] <nixternal> well actually..i just powered everything back up..storm was a little strong for my liking, so to be safe i shut down
[06:43] <adamant1988> That happens
[06:43] <adamant1988> I had to close down the store by myself at work.. I hate when people don't show up
[06:43] <nixternal> it got really bad here though
[06:43] <nixternal> thats fun stuff right there
[06:44] <adamant1988> oh yeah it is... store closes at 10' I was out at 15 after 12
[06:44] <nixternal> oh ya, forgot you are in WV
[06:45] <adamant1988> yeah =\
[06:45] <adamant1988> Still looking for a new pc... I know full well that I'm going to want it with linux preinstalled I'm thinking system76 still...
[06:49] <nixternal> if you do, i would suggest getting an equipment/parts list if possible from them
[06:53] <adamant1988> a lot of it I have to customize myself anyway
[06:53] <adamant1988> the system I'm configureing starts stock at $399
[06:53] <adamant1988> I just want an XGL compatible graphics card for the most part, I don't game much so it won't hurt me any
[07:39] <klepas> moing
[07:40] <Madpilot> hi klepas
[07:43] <klepas> Sara Vasquez around?
[07:43] <klepas> hi Madpilot
[07:43] <klepas> or anyone from the magteam
[07:45] <nixternal> sara is probably passed out
[07:46] <nixternal> whats up klepas?
[07:46] <klepas> i figured out i might as well get myself neck deep into this
[07:46] <klepas> the mag that is
[07:46] <nixternal> lol
[07:46] <klepas> i did one of the mockup designs sara kinda liked
[07:46] <klepas> happy to expand and such
[07:46] <nixternal> well, if it continues the way it is, there just might be a very busy project in the future with it
[07:47] <klepas> yea, that's what i am smelling ;)
[07:48] <nixternal> sara is keeping me busy with the wiki
[07:48] <klepas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMagazine#head-56633895f56a3107d68d4d283b24b7d736e2f840 - this needs fixing
[07:48] <klepas> the link that is
[07:49] <nixternal> oh, that is all going to get fixed
[07:49] <klepas> :)
[07:49] <nixternal> im redoing everything for UbuntuMagazine as well as UbuntuMarketing..if only people would anser my emails ;)
[07:50] <klepas> bbs--coffee break
[07:51] <adamant1988> Personally I'm re-evaluating my opinion on how Ubuntu should be spread.
[07:51] <adamant1988> I think the personal touch is what matters.
[07:52] <adamant1988> I'm doing this strictly as an experiment, but I'm working with a local computer store and another store that is willing to donate floor space to make a 'linux center'.
[07:53] <adamant1988> Currently the distro of choice is Ubuntu, but I'm giving SLED 10 a nice hard look.  We're looking at having Wireless internet access and allowing people to come in and use Ubuntu (maybe suse) computers and see what they think.
[07:54] <Burgundavia> adamant1988: I would be very careful with the amount of choice you offer
[07:54] <Burgundavia> whether you choose sled, ubuntu, or anything else, I would offer only one
[07:55] <adamant1988> Well, I'm working on how to best sort that
[07:55] <Burgundavia> choice will only confuse users
[07:55] <adamant1988> I think I'm going to push SLED 10 as the more premium option if I choose to use it.
[07:55] <Burgundavia> without a clear distinction between them
[07:56] <Burgundavia> figure out what you need, and then look hard at each
[07:56] <adamant1988> I think in this case the needs are met by both
[07:56] <adamant1988> but I'm looking at Suse because users don't trust free things.
[07:56] <Burgundavia> it is not free: they are buying a boxed set
[07:57] <adamant1988> Suse is boxed, ubuntu isn't
[07:57] <adamant1988> Suse <- Not free, comes with tech support, people will trust it =\
[07:57] <Burgundavia> here is what I would do: purchase some pressed cd's from canonical
[07:57] <Burgundavia> buy some dvd cases, make a dvd cover and voila, you have something to sell
[07:58] <adamant1988> While I would love to do that, I have an ethical issue with making money from otherwise free software
[07:58] <Burgundavia> use the money to buy computers for the needy or something
[07:58] <Burgundavia> money is not unethical if used correctly
[07:59] <adamant1988> Actually we're looking at picking up older computers and putting Xubuntu on them to give away for publicity
[07:59] <Burgundavia> perfect
[07:59] <Burgundavia> use the money for that
[07:59] <adamant1988> free computer, free OS, free publicity
[07:59] <Burgundavia> maybe hire a teacher and offer classes?
[07:59] <adamant1988> I don't want to get too ahead of myself, a lot of the stuff that needs learned is basic and people will pick up on it quick.
[08:00] <Burgundavia> yep
[08:00] <adamant1988> first I need to decide if I want to push Ubuntu of SLED 10 as a premium system... I think people will be more drawn to SLED 10 though
[08:00] <Burgundavia> why?
[08:01] <Burgundavia> the box?
[08:01] <adamant1988> the menu system is more intuitive, XGL integrated for all the eye candy that those end-users love so much, integrated search, etc.
[08:01] <nixternal> i would setup debian sarge servers with encrypted file systems and then show them how fabulous pine and mutt are for email and show them the greatness of irssi and bitlbee for all their instant messaging needs!!!
[08:02] <adamant1988> people are getting to the point where expecting the OS to have lot's of eye candy and such...
[08:02] <adamant1988> vista and mac os x only enforce that =\
[08:02] <Madpilot> nixternal, har har ;)
[08:02] <nixternal> hehe
[08:02] <Madpilot> that said, I do like pine, but it's hardly modern & shiny
[08:02] <Burgundavia> no, people are not looking for eye candy
[08:02] <Burgundavia> they are looking for things that work
[08:02] <adamant1988> and XGL on Ubuntu isn't so stable I hear.
[08:02] <jsgotangco> yes?
[08:03] <Burgundavia> hey jsgotangco
[08:03] <Burgundavia> we are discussing selling ubuntu, and suse
[08:03] <jsgotangco> oh goodie i got to join i thought my channel limit was up
[08:03] <adamant1988> Burgundavia, they want things that work, and they want things that work EASY.  But they also don't want to be staring at a boring desktop all day.
[08:03] <jsgotangco> im not really going to sell ubuntu based on XGL performance
[08:03] <Burgundavia> adamant1988: boring is good for mom and dad and aunt and uncle
[08:04] <jsgotangco> its a feature, not a benefit
[08:04] <Burgundavia> boring means predictable
[08:04] <adamant1988> it's a feature that's optional in SLED 10, you can turn it off or on however you see fit.
[08:04] <jsgotangco> benefits have better returns than features
[08:04] <Burgundavia> ah, ah button that you can turn off
[08:04] <nixternal> XGL on anything isn't so stable
[08:05] <Burgundavia> no, hence an issue
[08:05] <Burgundavia> I have also heard really bad things about beagle
[08:05] <nixternal> as i have too
[08:05] <adamant1988> actually, I've heard it was running fine, (XGL) but the ubuntu community build is buggy
[08:05] <nixternal> someone lied to you
[08:05] <adamant1988> I don't know what bad things about beagle there are.. I haven't found them =\
[08:05] <nixternal> as you can check suse's site and they will tell you how buggy it is
[08:06] <jsgotangco> if you noticed xgl/compiz hype just fizzled out
[08:06] <nixternal> yup
[08:06] <jsgotangco> its not great news anymore
[08:06] <nixternal> because it is actually pretty bad
[08:06] <jsgotangco> hence its a feature that doesn't give any lasting benefit
[08:06] <Burgundavia> the issues are with indexing, which only some people hit
[08:06] <nixternal> i played with it..it is ok on Ubuntu, and a no go on Kubuntu
[08:06] <nixternal> and the fact it leaks memory worse the US government on CIA operative
[08:07] <adamant1988> i'll let darkmatter know he's a liar then :P
[08:07] <nixternal> fine with me ;)
[08:07] <adamant1988> meh just the translucent windows would be enough for me
[08:07] <adamant1988> the jello windows doesn't do much for me
[08:07] <jsgotangco> again, if you're targetting on marketing ubuntu, focus on benefits than features because how you sell it makes a difference, not just "me too" features
[08:07] <jsgotangco> it won't differentiate you from the rest
[08:08] <nixternal> i like the minimize windows to desktop feature though..like on macs
[08:08] <Burgundavia> shiny bling
[08:08] <nixternal> heh
[08:08] <adamant1988> I played with kororaa
[08:08] <Burgundavia> again, people want technologies like toasters
[08:08] <Burgundavia> things that just work
[08:08] <adamant1988> I'm actually really suprised it worked as I though XGL hated ATI
[08:08] <Burgundavia> toasters don't have bling
[08:08] <nixternal> kororaa is about as garbage as one can get since the livecd is outdated
[08:08] <jsgotangco> its only a good bling cd
[08:08] <nixternal> FreedomToasters for all!!!
[08:09] <adamant1988> perhaps there is another live cd xgl project?
[08:10] <adamant1988> either way, I'm still going to do research and testing before I select a distro
[08:10] <Burgundavia> you might be saner to offer a distro that did mp3 and dvd playback out of the box
[08:10] <Burgundavia> those are things people care about
[08:10] <adamant1988> like SLED 10?
[08:10] <bimberi> with placement in a store though, people are more likely to choose a toaster on looks
[08:11] <adamant1988> SLED 10 does mp3, flash, java what have you, right out of the box
[08:11] <adamant1988> ATI and Nvidia drivers
[08:12] <adamant1988> so, in that respect, there is another +1 for sled 10
[08:12] <adamant1988> The only thing I dislike about SLED 10 is it's designed for office use, not home use.
[08:12] <Burgundavia> how so?
[08:12] <adamant1988> Suse Linux ENTERPRISE desktop
[08:13] <bimberi> mp3? office?
[08:13] <adamant1988> yeah I know, go figure
[08:13] <adamant1988> It's got everything a home user needs inside the office package
[08:14] <nixternal> what makes it designed for office use, beside the stupid name?
[08:14] <adamant1988> nothing.
[08:14] <nixternal> it doesn't have anything 'office' that any other distro doesn't have
[08:14] <adamant1988> It's a perfectly good home distro besides the name
[08:15] <nixternal> i used SuSe since 96..and i only stopped 2 years ago..and i will not touch Novell stuff with a 10' poll
[08:15] <adamant1988> I personally think Ubuntu would be better for the office... No flash, no mp3... no wasting time.
[08:15] <nixternal> i was so in love with the freakin' lizard you couldn't get me to change
[08:15] <Burgundavia> names mean nothing
[08:15] <nixternal> i would have killed for it, the germans brained washed me
[08:15] <Burgundavia> well, not much
[08:15] <Burgundavia> personally, enterprise tells me nothing
[08:15] <Burgundavia> now LTS does
[08:15] <nixternal> yup
[08:16] <nixternal> and adamant1988, quit saying Ubuntu doesn't have support....ubuntu has support far longer then any other distro has
[08:16] <nixternal> let me see you get 5 years of support from anyone other then microsoft
[08:16] <bimberi> longer?
[08:16] <bimberi> oh, into the future, kk
[08:16] <nixternal> hehe
[08:17] <adamant1988> when did I say that ubuntu lacked support?  I just said that Suse came with a year paid support...
[08:17] <nixternal> ya, and ubuntu comes with free support
[08:17] <adamant1988> from forums and such
[08:17] <nixternal> #ubuntu #kubuntu #edubuntu #xubuntu as well as https://launchpad.net/    support in there as well
[08:17] <nixternal> you can pay for support via a 3rd party if needed
[08:18] <adamant1988> ok, you pick a person from my town and ask them if they know what IRC is
[08:18] <nixternal> and it is far cheaper then any other type of support i have seen
[08:18] <nixternal> well if they don't know what irc is, then they shouldn't have an excuse not to goto https://launchpad.net
[08:18] <nixternal> or www.ubuntuforums.org
[08:18] <nixternal> or www.kubuntuforums.net
[08:18] <nixternal> or https://help.ubuntu.com
[08:18] <adamant1988> hopefully they would find their way there.
[08:19] <nixternal> i can keep going and going and going and going
[08:19] <adamant1988> But I would have to instruct them on 'this is where you go for help'.
[08:19] <adamant1988> if I preinstall ubuntu on a computer that's not a big deal
[08:19] <adamant1988> I can make a desktop icon link to a file that says where to go
[08:19] <nixternal> if they can goto 'System Menu>Help', then they can get there..if someone needs to be instructed on what that "Help" button is on the menu, then they need a typewriter
[08:20] <adamant1988> haha, that would be my mother
[08:20] <adamant1988> the one with 4 GB of ram and a Terabyte of hard drive space on her computer... ATI RADEON X850 pro...
[08:20] <nixternal> well then, let her know office depot has a sale on brother typewriters right now
[08:20] <Madpilot> there's the Windows "power users" (so called) who think they don't need to read the Help, because "They know how to use a d*mn computer!"
[08:20] <nixternal> and you won't get viruses on a typewriter either
[08:20] <adamant1988> that woman can't utilize the kind of power that computer has.
[08:21] <nixternal> Madpilot: you are so so so correct that i love it ;)
[08:21] <nixternal> muhahahha
[08:21] <adamant1988> Lol, I never read help documentation when I used Windows..
[08:21] <adamant1988> it was boring
[08:21] <Madpilot> the sort who pitch up in #ubuntu, make a fuss, then leave in a snit...
[08:21] <adamant1988> talking to people is much more interesting, I just dislike the human interaction
[08:22] <nixternal> Windows PowerUser #1: Linux isn't as stable or as fast as Windows. I can setup Linux with ease, I mean how hard is it to run a stinking computer.
[08:22] <adamant1988> I'm thinking I need to get someone involved in this project that likes people more than I do.
[08:22] <nixternal> that is the typical line...now here is what happens when they come on irc
[08:22] <nixternal> "How come my PCI Winmodem doesn't work?"
[08:23] <adamant1988> lol
[08:23] <adamant1988> another issue is legality...
[08:24] <adamant1988> This whole project will put me in a situation where I'm 'distributing' linux.  meaning if I start installing libdvdcss on people's computers, I'm setting myself up for a world of hurt.
[08:24] <Burgundavia> you have no money
[08:25] <adamant1988> neither Suse nor Ubuntu has a legal solution for DVD playback... in fact the only one I've seen that does is Linspire.
[08:25] <Burgundavia> however, the store is a target
[08:25] <adamant1988> so far the only thing I've found is PowerDVD for Linux.
[08:25] <jbrouhard> i'vce heard of that
[08:26] <adamant1988> but I'm not sure about how operational it is, etc.
[08:26] <jbrouhard> that's one of Cyberlink's products
[08:27] <jbrouhard> Don't see anything on the website about Linux
[08:29] <jbrouhard> Wel
[08:29] <jbrouhard> well, Google turns up a 2004 press release
[08:29] <jbrouhard> but nothing on their website
[08:29] <jbrouhard> Might be some kind of Volume Licensing thing
[08:29] <adamant1988> well, it's still in Linspire's CNR so idk
[08:29] <jbrouhard> Hmm
[08:30] <jbrouhard> Check out how Linspire did theirs legally
[08:30] <jbrouhard> I'm not really sure
[08:30] <jbrouhard> i thought about offering linux as a home user solution
[08:30] <jbrouhard> but to do so requries me to "break" a few laws
[08:30] <jbrouhard> and i'm not really interested in doing so
[08:32] <adamant1988> exactly
[08:33] <adamant1988> which means that linspire is actually the only distro that includes all the codecs legally off the bat, etc.
[08:33] <adamant1988> I actually like Linspire, and CNR makes life heavenly, but it's out dated.
[08:34] <adamant1988> brb getting a sandwich
[08:35] <bimberi> adamant1988: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuLiveChatSupport coming to a System > Help > Live Chat Support menu near you :)
[08:36] <Burgundavia> bimberi: is that going to be included by default?
[08:36] <nixternal> it is supposed to be
[08:37] <bimberi> Burgundavia: as i understand it yes
[08:37] <Madpilot> cool
[08:37] <nixternal> as i have been trying to draft something similar for Kubuntu working along side Riddell's Launchpad integration
[08:37] <Madpilot> too bad Gaim sucks for IRC :|
[08:37] <Burgundavia> the livechat support gets over the really bad part
[08:46] <adamant1988> bimberi, that's awesome
[08:47] <bimberi> cool innit? :)
[08:47] <adamant1988> I'm actually thinking that Ubuntu Eft is going to make my life as a distributer a LOT easier
[08:47] <adamant1988> I won't have to tell people where to get their codecs and such... the OS will offer to do that for them
[08:51] <jbrouhard> adamant1988: One option i had in mind for distrubuting wholesale PCs with Ubuntu pre-installed
[08:52] <klepas> adamant1988: just read up on what you're hoping to do - sounds great - remember to blog your experiences in short entries :)
[08:53] <adamant1988> Yeah, just soooo many choices
[08:54] <adamant1988> as a member of the Ubuntu marketing team I feel compelled to give Ubuntu the old college try, but my experience with SLED 10 has me thinking it may be the best option
[08:55] <adamant1988> then the legal issues and what forth... can my 'company' and the business that's hosting my project become legally liable if I choose to spill the beans on enabling mp3 and DVD etc
[08:57] <klepas> adamant1988: not really
[08:57] <klepas> even if you provide them with EasyUbuntu
[08:58] <adamant1988> I'm violating the DMCA am I not?
[08:58] <klepas> they are the ones downloading and installing the codecs/whatever on their computers
[08:58] <klepas> definitely not
[08:58] <klepas> you're not providing circumvention
[08:58] <adamant1988> So basically, I would provide easy ubuntu instead of libdvdcss
[08:58] <klepas> it's the user and their actions
[08:58] <klepas> yes
[08:58] <klepas> easyubuntu is python program
[08:59] <klepas> allows you to select whatever you want to install
[08:59] <adamant1988> but documentation on libdvdcss is illegal yes?
[08:59] <klepas> allows you to to select and install a list of restricted, proprietary and/or otherwise software not included by default yet popular and important. Included are such things as restricted multimedia codecs, libdvdcss, MIDI support, Flash, Java, Skype and OpenWengo, archiving support for RAR, ACE, 7-Zip, additional fonts (includes 'msttcorefonts') and nVidia/ATi proprietary binary drivers.
[08:59] <nixternal> documentation no
[08:59] <nixternal> that would be free speach
[09:00] <klepas> adamant1988: some people printed tshirts with the C code that makes up the decoder: libdvdcss
[09:00] <klepas> to prove the free speech point
[09:00] <klepas> :P
[09:00] <klepas> hey, cool
[09:00] <mdke__> it might be illegal, depending on what you say
[09:00] <klepas> i always wanted one of those
[09:00] <mdke__> encouraging people to get around copyright protection is illegal in the US, and probably lots of other countries
[09:01] <nixternal> i can tell you how to make a bomb, that is legal, but you better bet they are gonna get you one way or the other
[09:01] <nixternal> the thing that was illegal was the "telling people how to use it, get it, install it"
[09:02] <adamant1988> perhaps providing automatix would be better... it installs a lot of other, very legal, crap.
[09:02] <nixternal> they aren't messing with people much since the RIAA lost the injunction or whatnot in the supreme court
[09:02] <klepas> easyubuntu does too
[09:03] <klepas> easyubuntu allows you to install rar support
[09:03] <klepas> or flash support
[09:03] <nixternal> just like directv suing me for $35k because i bought a programmer, looper and bootstrap setup for H cards years back
[09:03] <klepas> and if you agree to the licenses, it's all legal
[09:04] <adamant1988> yeah, well mp3 support and such isn't a problem in a distro like SLED, but In Ubuntu it's an issue.
[09:04] <mdke__> not really
[09:04] <adamant1988> DVDplaying support is my main worry, a lot of people in my community use their computer for multimedia like dvd all the time
[09:04] <mdke__> all you need is to ensure that your multimedia programs can prompt to install mp3 support when a user tries to play one, and the problem goes away
[09:04] <adamant1988> which is what is happening in Edgy Eft.
[09:04] <mdke__> right
[09:05] <klepas> huh?
[09:05] <klepas> i don't get that...?
[09:05] <adamant1988> exactly, it doesn't make it any more legal, but it does make it easy.
[09:05] <klepas> what are they doing in edgy in regards to restricted formats?
[09:05] <mdke__> klepas: you try to play an mp3, it says "mp3s dont work, would you like to install a package to make it work?", you say yes
[09:05] <adamant1988> they're basically making it so that when you try to use a restricted format, you're told why it's restricted and the OS will offer to install it
[09:06] <klepas> nice
[09:06] <klepas> :)
[09:06] <adamant1988> Yeah, it will be after october when this whole thing starts happening anyway
[09:06] <mdke__> well, it's really a feature that any good os should have
[09:07] <adamant1988> is it supposed to do that for DVD as well?
[09:07] <mdke__> we just don't have it because linux distributions are thrown together in bits and pieces
[09:07] <nixternal> g'nite
[09:08] <klepas> fare well nixternal
[09:08] <adamant1988> night man
[09:09] <adamant1988> yeah, That's certainly very cool, I didn't think I could get around the draconian DMCA but I guess every law has it's loopholes
[09:10] <mdke__> not really :)
[09:10] <adamant1988> lol, what's that supposed to mean?
[09:11] <mdke__> adamant1988: laws don't tend to have loopholes
[09:11] <adamant1988> klepas, if only the authorities agreed with you
[09:11] <klepas> lawyers tend to make sure of that
[09:11] <mdke__> it's not that, it's just that there are things which fill in the gaps
[09:11] <adamant1988> so, then, why does the DMCA have that loophole to it? that's pretty glaringly obvious
[09:12] <adamant1988> you would think if they were going to stamp on our civil rights they would just go all the way
[09:12] <mdke__> where there are gaps, legal principles fill them in... otherwise the legal system would be in bits and pieces
[09:13] <adamant1988> aha
[09:13] <KenSentMe> Good morning people
[09:13] <klepas> moin
[09:14] <adamant1988> Yeah, well, I still have some time to make a decision
[09:14] <adamant1988> I want to put a group together for it though, so decisions aren't just mine...
[09:16] <adamant1988> I, myself, as a user find a lot of great strengths in both Ubuntu and SLED 10.  ubuntu is the single most welcoming operating system I have ever used, by far though.  You just feel at home using it.
[09:19] <adamant1988> man, I'm tired.
[09:20] <adamant1988> I'll start doing comparison charts for these two in the morning. :)
[09:20] <adamant1988> good night all.
[10:14] <jenda> nixternal: pong
[10:51] <digitalmouse> greetings programs!
[11:09] <jenda> green wave...
[11:09] <jenda> Huzzah, MenZa
[11:09] <MenZa> sups :)
[11:25] <jenda> zenrox: ping?
[11:46] <jenda> unping
[12:15] <digitalmouse>  pong
[12:42] <jenda> Hey there nickm1 ;)
[12:42] <jenda> I'm just on my way out, really.
[12:43] <nickm1> oh, hi :)
[12:43] <nickm1> sorry, i was on another planet
[12:44] <nickm1> how is everything?
[02:15] <jenda> Hello zard1989, gaz00, klepas.
[02:15] <gaz00> morning jenda!
[02:17] <gaz00> what's new in the ubuntu-marketing world?
[02:19] <jenda> hmm
[02:19] <jenda> :)
[02:19] <jenda> not much, really. I'm too busy this week to have time to advance on the ideas.
[02:19] <jenda> I'd like to select a final SU designer on friday, at the meeting.
[02:20] <jenda> and preferably have SU designed when i get back from vacation on the 12th
[02:34] <gaz00> interesting...   is there a page where people have proposals for SU?
[03:10] <adamant1988> nixternal,
[03:32] <adamant1988> hey darkmatter_
[03:32] <darkmatter_> ello
[03:33] <adamant1988> i'm supposed to tell you that you're a liar, "XGL isn't anywhere near stable"
[03:34] <adamant1988> lol
[03:35] <adamant1988> we had a large discussion about xgl last night
[03:37] <darkmatter_> lol... who said that
[03:37] <darkmatter_> they were drunk
[03:37] <darkmatter_> :P
[03:37] <adamant1988> nixternal.
[03:38] <adamant1988> hrmmm I just got my letter back from hp
[03:38] <darkmatter_> ahh
[03:38] <darkmatter_> waz it say
[03:39] <adamant1988> Well, can I PM you and paste it?
[11:56] <RichJ> GET OUT THERE AND START MARKETING!!!
[11:59] <RichJ> heh, don't expect much