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| mhz | hehehe | 05:53 |
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| imbrandon | @schedule us/central | 06:27 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for US/Central: 18 Jul 15:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 14:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 07:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jul 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 06:27 |
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| GNAM | @schedule rome | 07:36 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Rome: 18 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 21:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 07:36 |
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| zul | @schedule montreal | 07:39 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Montreal: 18 Jul 16:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 16:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 15:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 08:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jul 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 07:39 |
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| jjesse | @schedule detroit | 07:53 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Detroit: 18 Jul 16:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 16:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 15:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 08:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jul 19:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 07:53 |
| lucas | @schedule paris | 07:57 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for Europe/Paris: 18 Jul 22:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 21:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 07:57 |
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| ogra | mumble ... | 09:40 |
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| Keybuk | ;) | 09:43 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Technical Board | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 19 Jul 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 19:00 UTC: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 27 Jul 23:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | ||
| === Keybuk looks at Ubugtu ... you're 10 minutes fast there | ||
| gnomefreak | lol | 09:51 |
| ogra | thats intentional | 09:51 |
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| Hobbsee | Morning All! | 09:55 |
| Toadstool | Hi everybody! | 09:55 |
| ogra | hey Hobbsee !!! | 09:55 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: :) | 09:55 |
| Hobbsee | hey ogra - most of kscreensavers (all but two) work completely out of the box in edgy! | 09:56 |
| ogra | yay | 09:56 |
| === Hobbsee was most surprised | ||
| ogra | i didt change much in the package ... | 09:56 |
| ogra | *didnt | 09:56 |
| ogra | cant have been me :) | 09:57 |
| zul | hi Hobbsee | 09:57 |
| Hobbsee | h zul | 09:57 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: hehe sure... | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | hi everyone | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: the kaffeine bug is closed... | 09:58 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | hi Tonio_, hi all | 09:58 |
| Tonio_ | hey Gloubiboulga_ | 09:58 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: cool! you fixed it? | 09:58 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: yes, the bug was due to an error of mine in the debian folder structure... | 09:59 |
| === gnomefreak hasnt gottent he update on that yet :( | ||
| Tonio_ | I had an "in progress" version on my HD and a working one | 09:59 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: yeah, thought it might be... | 09:59 |
| Tonio_ | I uploaded the bad one ;) | 09:59 |
| Hobbsee | right | 09:59 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 09:59 |
| Hobbsee | oops :P | 09:59 |
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| Hobbsee | Tonio_: i just looked at it and went "sheesh this is screwed. what's he done now?" | 09:59 |
| ogra | hmm, another extremely filled agenda :P | 10:00 |
| Hobbsee | hiya StevenK! | 10:00 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: where is said agenda? | 10:00 |
| StevenK | On the wiki | 10:00 |
| ogra | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda | 10:00 |
| Keybuk | ogra: I don't know if we'll get Q tonight | 10:00 |
| ogra | well, depends on mdz i guess | 10:00 |
| Keybuk | mdz and sabdfl are at the management love-in in Barcelona | 10:00 |
| ogra | wasnt that mallorca ? | 10:00 |
| Keybuk | somewhere in Spain | 10:00 |
| ogra | yeah | 10:01 |
| ogra | where the sangria flows | 10:01 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: cant they find someone else to step in and vote if we dont have quorum? | 10:01 |
| ogra | well, mjg59 is here i think | 10:01 |
| ogra | is two quorum for the TB ? | 10:01 |
| Keybuk | two, yes | 10:02 |
| mjg59 | Evening | 10:02 |
| ogra | :) | 10:02 |
| Hobbsee | hi mjg59 | 10:02 |
| Tonio_ | hi mjg59 | 10:02 |
| === StevenK waves to mjg59. | ||
| Keybuk | aha | 10:02 |
| Keybuk | so let's get the party started | 10:02 |
| === StevenK tries and fails to rub the sleep out of his eyes. | ||
| Toadstool | hey mjg59 | 10:02 |
| ogra | wuld be a shame if Hobbsee woudnt get approved :P | 10:02 |
| === Hobbsee heads for the coke to wake up | ||
| Keybuk | Hobbsee: off you go | 10:03 |
| mjg59 | Shall we get on with things, then? | 10:03 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: if that happened, whoever *didnt* do the approving would get me bugging them for all future uploads | 10:03 |
| Keybuk | Hobbsee: so you want to be an uploader? | 10:03 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: sorry, what do you want? | 10:03 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: yes | 10:03 |
| ogra | Hobbsee, three liner intro | 10:03 |
| Hobbsee | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hobbsee is the wiki page | 10:03 |
| Hobbsee | shoot, sorry, i dotn have a three liner today... | 10:03 |
| Keybuk | Hobbsee: well, introduce yourself | 10:04 |
| === gnomefreak kept her up late with kaffeine | ||
| === Hobbsee meant to write that, but got sidetracked fixing amarok, and then dealing with kaffeine | ||
| Keybuk | "I don't have an introduction, I've been too busy fixing bugs" ... yup, that suffices as an introduction for me <g> | 10:04 |
| Hobbsee | right, well, i'm Sarah Hobbs, in sydney, and i do a lot of kubuntu stuff | 10:04 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: :P | 10:04 |
| === ogra puts on miniskirt and pompoms | ||
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| imbrandon | lol | 10:05 |
| Keybuk | Hobbsee: so you'd be doing more Kubuntu work if you had upload privileges? | 10:05 |
| Hobbsee | i'm on the Kubuntu Community Council, and i pretty much end up organising a lot of kubuntu | 10:05 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: well, likely, but i also do run out of time, being a full time student, and working as well | 10:05 |
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| Hobbsee | Keybuk: it's more that i wouldnt have to bug a few million people to have to upload my fixes | 10:05 |
| Hobbsee | in the future i'll likely go for core dev | 10:05 |
| Keybuk | are any of those people who have sponsored you so far here today? | 10:06 |
| Hobbsee | in fact, you could give me those rights today to :P | 10:06 |
| StevenK | Yes, I'm here. | 10:06 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: sure, StevenK, Riddell, raphink, | 10:06 |
| Keybuk | StevenK: how have you found Hobbsee's work? | 10:06 |
| Hobbsee | there are more...brain's not quite here yet | 10:06 |
| Riddell | I support Hobbsee as MOTU (and main before too long I expect) uploader, she's done great stuff with a lot of kubuntu packages | 10:06 |
| StevenK | Keybuk: She knows what she's doing. | 10:07 |
| === ogra cheers loudly ... | ||
| Hobbsee | Riddell actually approves of me organising and bossing everyone around, which is surprising | 10:07 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: any questions from you? | 10:07 |
| imbrandon | and helps other motu hopefulls like myself tremendusly | 10:07 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch, bddebian, both of whom arent here | 10:07 |
| Tonio_ | I can confirm she is extremly active, tracking bugs, providing patches | 10:07 |
| mjg59 | Sorry, just getting through the wiki page | 10:07 |
| Hobbsee | zakame too, who also istn here | 10:07 |
| Tonio_ | and it is a long time effort | 10:07 |
| LaserJock | Hobbsee's definately an asset to MOTU | 10:07 |
| jjesse | and those that aren't even motu she is great | 10:07 |
| Hobbsee | (where is everyone this morning!) | 10:07 |
| StevenK | Sleeping, duh. | 10:08 |
| Hobbsee | bah. | 10:08 |
| === ogra waves with the pompoms | ||
| mjg59 | Hobbsee: How do you think Kubuntu can be improved, other than simply by adding new packages and fixing bugs? | 10:08 |
| === LaserJock lifts ogra on his shoulders | ||
| ogra | haha | 10:08 |
| === imbrandon steals ogra's pompoms to wave them too | ||
| Hobbsee | mjg59: well, that's certainly a part of it | 10:08 |
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| Hobbsee | mjg59: since dapper, we've been getting more people interested in development, both me, and then other people as well | 10:09 |
| Hobbsee | of course, these people have different levels of skills, and are looking for things to do | 10:09 |
| mjg59 | Hobbsee: So what sort of integration issues do you see as important? | 10:09 |
| Hobbsee | (sorry for bad spelling, i cant see the keyboard) | 10:09 |
| Hobbsee | i'm looking at finding things for them to do, and making lists, so that we can put all of our developers to good use, as there's a severe lack of manpower in kubuntu | 10:10 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell's awesome, but he is only one man. | 10:10 |
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| Hobbsee | mjg59: well, stuff like the fact that kubuntu-desktop got removed during upgrade - someone should have tested that, etc. it took a month or so for a screensaver bug to get fixed | 10:10 |
| Hobbsee | all of that could have been done stacks earlier with the right people in place, and the people who are able to fix such bugs/implement such fixes to have the permissions to do it | 10:11 |
| === Hobbsee suspects that she's going off on a tangent here - sorry, it's still very early | ||
| mjg59 | And you have plans for doing so? | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | mjg59: yes :) | 10:11 |
| mjg59 | Excellent | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | mjg59: i'll quite likely run out of time though | 10:11 |
| mjg59 | Happens to the best of us | 10:11 |
| Hobbsee | mjg59: so i'll probably need to work out something around that | 10:12 |
| mjg59 | (Argh, argh, I have far too much to do at the moment) | 10:12 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: as well on the list of uploaders | 10:12 |
| Hobbsee | mjg59: i wrote a to-do list yesterday while my car was being serviced - it's shockingly long :P | 10:12 |
| mjg59 | Riddell: you think Hobbsee would make a good team member, then? | 10:12 |
| ogra | Hobbsee, just strike everything that hasnt *buntu in it :) | 10:12 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: did you need any more fly spray? | 10:13 |
| === Hobbsee did a gnome fix recently, and almost died of shock. :P | ||
| mjg59 | Keybuk: The flies are, thankfully, history | 10:13 |
| Riddell | mjg59: certainly do | 10:13 |
| mjg59 | Ok, I think I'm done | 10:13 |
| Keybuk | votes@ | 10:14 |
| === ogra cheers a bit more | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe :) | 10:14 |
| Keybuk | an emphatic +1 from me, Hobbsee has been an asset to the team so far! | 10:14 |
| mjg59 | +1, based on solid recommendations | 10:14 |
| Hobbsee | yay :D | 10:14 |
| ogra | YAY | 10:14 |
| ogra | congrats Hobbsee | 10:14 |
| StevenK | Woot | 10:14 |
| imbrandon | congrats | 10:14 |
| Toadstool | congrats Hobbsee | 10:14 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | congrats Hobbsee :) | 10:14 |
| === jjesse cheers for Hobbsee | ||
| gnomefreak | congrats Hobbsee ;) | 10:14 |
| LaserJock | \o/ | 10:14 |
| Tonio_ | congratulations Hobbsee, you really deserve it | 10:14 |
| Hobbsee | guess i'll have to seriously think about core dev now hey? | 10:14 |
| Hobbsee | thankyou all :D | 10:14 |
| mjg59 | Anyone else? | 10:14 |
| toma | Hobbsee: concrats! | 10:14 |
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| === imbrandon does a little dance , sings a little song .... oops wrong chan | ||
| Toadstool | mjg59: yep, me | 10:15 |
| Keybuk | Toadstool: you're up next | 10:15 |
| Toadstool | ok thx Keybuk | 10:15 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 10:15 |
| Toadstool | I am Jrmie Corbier. | 10:15 |
| Toadstool | I've been using Ubuntu since Warty and been working on it for about 6 months. I've started with my wide-dhcpv6 package then I've continued with triaging and fixing random bugs. Now i'm packaging a few more apps and libs (mmpython is now in universe and Debian sid). I'm working on slim and freevo too. | 10:15 |
| Toadstool | LP: https://launchpad.net/people/jcorbier | 10:15 |
| Toadstool | Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeremieCorbier | 10:15 |
| Toadstool | Hobbsee: :p | 10:15 |
| Keybuk | Toadstool: what kinds of things have you been doing in Ubuntu so far? | 10:15 |
| Keybuk | and what kinds of things would you like to do if approved for upload? | 10:16 |
| Toadstool | I've done a lot of bug triaging and/or fixing in Universe | 10:16 |
| Toadstool | and I'll keep on working as an Ubuntu squad member | 10:16 |
| Keybuk | you also do transaltion work, I believe? | 10:16 |
| Toadstool | indeed | 10:17 |
| Toadstool | not as much as I would like though | 10:17 |
| ogra | Toadstool is quite active in #ubuntu-bugs | 10:17 |
| Keybuk | who has been sponsoring your uploads to date? | 10:17 |
| Toadstool | Gloubiboulga_, crimsun mainly | 10:17 |
| crimsun | I've sponsored a few. Jrmie has been doing great work with universe packaging. | 10:17 |
| Toadstool | and bddebian | 10:17 |
| Toadstool | there are others | 10:17 |
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| Toadstool | dholbach too but he's not here | 10:17 |
| LaserJock | I sponsored one of his AMD64 fixes for ghemical, he is also helping a bit with MOTU Science which has been a help | 10:18 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | yep, his bug fixes are always nice and I never had to tell him to change a thing | 10:18 |
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| Gloubiboulga_ | I've also published some of his comments on REVU, and he is really helpuful on #ubuntu-motu too | 10:19 |
| Toadstool | I forwarded the AMD64 fix for ghemical to Debian and upstream and it was included | 10:19 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that was nice work | 10:19 |
| Toadstool | unfortunately, ghemical is heavily broken for the moment :/ | 10:19 |
| Keybuk | and what kinds of things would you like to do if approved for upload? | 10:19 |
| LaserJock | Toadstool: it just needs a sync actually :-) | 10:20 |
| Toadstool | yeah? nice :) | 10:20 |
| Toadstool | Keybuk: keep on working on bugs first and package some more apps, and help MOTU wannabe | 10:21 |
| Toadstool | +s | 10:21 |
| mjg59 | Toadstool: You've done quite a lot of work in collaboration with Debian. What other things do you think we could do to improve that? | 10:21 |
| Toadstool | there a lot of things moving in the way patches are given back to debian iirc, in the pts for example | 10:21 |
| Toadstool | and a new chan on oftc has been created to improve communication with debian and 'im already on it :) | 10:22 |
| mjg59 | Excellent | 10:22 |
| Toadstool | unfortunately it doesn't have as success as I would have expected first | 10:22 |
| Toadstool | maybe a lack of advertisement | 10:23 |
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| Toadstool | i'm trying to report as many debian packaging bugs as possible in the debian bts too | 10:24 |
| mjg59 | I approve wholeheartedly | 10:24 |
| Toadstool | and when i package something i try to get it included in sid too | 10:24 |
| Toadstool | so far, my two packages are in universe and sid | 10:25 |
| Keybuk | http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20060718.201847.4d546c27.en.html | 10:25 |
| Keybuk | Toadstool: how do you think we can combat reactions like that ^ from Debian people? | 10:25 |
| Keybuk | this particular maintainer's response to Ubuntu e-mailing patches has been to killfile us | 10:25 |
| Toadstool | well, that's a pity that some debian maintainer react this way | 10:26 |
| Toadstool | maybe show them that our patches are worth the inclusion in debian by posting them in the bts first | 10:26 |
| Toadstool | when they don't want to consider the inclusion using the new pts stuff | 10:27 |
| Toadstool | otoh that's a huge amount of work | 10:27 |
| Toadstool | maybe there should have a collaboration team, the same as utnubu on debian side | 10:28 |
| Toadstool | s/there/we/ | 10:28 |
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| Keybuk | did you see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DCT ? | 10:29 |
| lucas | :p | 10:29 |
| Toadstool | no, I'm on it, lucas just told me about it :) | 10:29 |
| lucas | I was just saying to Toadstool that we should talk together about it | 10:29 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: any other questions? | 10:30 |
| mjg59 | Nope, I'm good | 10:30 |
| Keybuk | votes? | 10:30 |
| mjg59 | +1 for seeming competence and a great attitude towards working with Debian | 10:31 |
| Keybuk | +1 from me also | 10:31 |
| Toadstool | thanks everybody :) | 10:31 |
| imbrandon | congrats Toadstool ;) | 10:31 |
| Hobbsee | yay Toadstool! | 10:31 |
| Tonio_ | congrats Toadstool :) | 10:31 |
| Gloubiboulga_ | congrats Toadstool :) | 10:31 |
| Keybuk | anyone else for ubuntu-dev who didn't make it to an earlier meeting? | 10:32 |
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| lucas | (just privmsgd to Keybuk:) it would be great if, after processing dev candidates, we could discuss the DCT a bit. I haven't had a lot of feedback from the ubuntu side. | 10:32 |
| Keybuk | ok, let's move onto core-dev | 10:33 |
| Keybuk | Tonio_: ? | 10:33 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 10:33 |
| Tonio_ | I'm Anthony Mercatante, most of you know me as a kubuntu developper and motu | 10:33 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_'s going for core! cool! | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: attempting at least | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | Although I'm not very active as a motu, most of my work is currently done in the main section | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AnthonyMercatante | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | here is my wikipage | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | https://launchpad.net/people/tonio/+packages | 10:35 |
| Tonio_ | and the launchpad packages one | 10:35 |
| Keybuk | ok, so what kinds of things would you like to be doing in main? | 10:36 |
| Keybuk | further Kubuntu work? Who has been sponsoring you so far? | 10:36 |
| Tonio_ | Keybuk: mostly Riddell of course | 10:36 |
| Riddell | yep, lots of kubuntu-default-settings uploads from Tonio_ and a good number of others too | 10:36 |
| Tonio_ | I'm currently maintaining a bunch of main applications, like wlassistant, kmplayer, knetworkmanager, kaffeine... | 10:36 |
| Tonio_ | and yes, I'm very involved in the kde implementation, configuration and simplification | 10:37 |
| Riddell | he's very competant, I can't remember the last time I had to correct something before uploading | 10:37 |
| imbrandon | whoops | 10:39 |
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| mjg59 | Ah | 10:40 |
| Keybuk | aga | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | sorry, konversation crached... | 10:40 |
| Keybuk | Tonio_: so what kinds of improvements would you like to make to Kubuntu? | 10:40 |
| Keybuk | clearly you'll be fixing that bug? :p | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | Keybuk: hope so :) | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | well currently kubuntu misses a good multimedia infrastructure | 10:40 |
| Hobbsee | (Tonio_: ouch. daily build, or the one in the repos?) | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | that should be changed in the future focussing on one application only | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | there are also lots of things to be done to get a fully logic and wel implemented kde destktop | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | kde is widely configurable, but requires lots of configuration to be done still | 10:42 |
| Keybuk | would you favour kde using gstreamer, or something else? | 10:42 |
| Tonio_ | we need to focus on the wireless part too, since we don't currently have a wpa capable solution installed out of the box | 10:42 |
| Tonio_ | Keybuk: I would probably favour gstreamer, yes, because it is certainly the most promissing | 10:43 |
| Tonio_ | Keybuk: and afaik, it has great chances to be used with kde4 | 10:43 |
| Tonio_ | so here are the most important things I would like to focus on in the next weeks | 10:43 |
| Keybuk | *nods*, interesting | 10:44 |
| Keybuk | Riddell: these are your packages, would you welcome Tonio_ into main? | 10:44 |
| Riddell | Keybuk: very much so | 10:44 |
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| RichJ | @schedule chicago | 10:45 |
| Ubugtu | Schedule for America/Chicago: Current meeting: Technical Board | 19 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 14:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 07:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jul 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10:45 |
| Keybuk | mjg59: any questions? | 10:45 |
| mjg59 | Tonio_: Do you think you can help get Kubuntu to the same level of polish and integration as Ubuntu? | 10:47 |
| Tonio_ | mjg59: I hope so, since it is clearly what I'm claiming for month :) | 10:47 |
| Hobbsee | mjg59: only with a lot of work. | 10:47 |
| Tonio_ | mjg59: anyway, that will probably require more than just my contribution | 10:47 |
| mjg59 | Tonio_: On the bright side, I see you've been doing a lot of work on infrastructure that both Ubuntu and Kubuntu can use | 10:47 |
| mjg59 | My heartfelt thanks for that :) | 10:48 |
| ogra | Tonio_, well, you have Hobbsee now :) | 10:48 |
| imbrandon | but the kubuntu team is comming along nicely specialy with Tonio_ | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | mjg59: well, networkmanager and bluez-utils mostly | 10:48 |
| mjg59 | Tonio_: How closely do you work with upstream? | 10:48 |
| imbrandon | and Hobbsee ;P | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | mjg59: depends if there are or not respondive ;) | 10:48 |
| mjg59 | Heh | 10:49 |
| mjg59 | But you make an effort? | 10:49 |
| Tonio_ | I'm regularly in kontact with lots of them, and they most of the time include my patches | 10:49 |
| mjg59 | Excellent | 10:49 |
| mjg59 | Ok, I think I'm done | 10:49 |
| ogra | in kontact ? | 10:49 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: You? | 10:49 |
| Tonio_ | mjg59: I generally always try to get my patches and packages improvements upstream | 10:49 |
| Keybuk | I'm done | 10:49 |
| Tonio_ | that's the goal | 10:49 |
| mjg59 | Votes? | 10:49 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: when you misspell kontact and konversation, you certainly spend too much time working on kde :P | 10:49 |
| ogra | yeah | 10:50 |
| imbrandon | heh | 10:50 |
| Keybuk | +1 from me | 10:50 |
| mjg59 | +1 from me for plainly being excellent (asuming what everyone tells me is true :p) | 10:50 |
| ogra | thats what i thought too | 10:50 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 10:50 |
| Hobbsee | yay Tonio_! | 10:50 |
| Toadstool | congrats Tonio_ :) | 10:50 |
| ogra | congrats Tonio_ | 10:50 |
| ogra | ! | 10:50 |
| Hobbsee | mjg59: it's better not to think about if it's true or not, i'm sure :P | 10:50 |
| Tonio_ | thank you very much everybody ! | 10:50 |
| toma | nice day for kubuntu! | 10:50 |
| Hobbsee | toma: very! | 10:50 |
| Tonio_ | toma: hehe | 10:50 |
| imbrandon | very nice toma | 10:51 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 10:51 |
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| === toma ducks | ||
| imbrandon | toma HIDE !! | 10:51 |
| Keybuk | ok, last up is Linda | 10:51 |
| Keybuk | err, I mean Steven | 10:52 |
| StevenK | Hah | 10:52 |
| imbrandon | heh | 10:52 |
| StevenK | Hrm, Steven doesn't fire my nick hilight. | 10:52 |
| ogra | lol | 10:52 |
| Hobbsee | go StevenK! | 10:52 |
| StevenK | I'm Steve Kowalik, Debian Developer since 2001, and an MOTU to boot. | 10:52 |
| Hobbsee | (and the poor bugger who uploads a lot of my packages) | 10:53 |
| StevenK | I hope to look at Edgy specs and help out with a few that interest me, specifically about-ubuntu, spoken-boot and a few others that escape me at the moment. | 10:53 |
| imbrandon | and the poor guy that has given me alot of MOTU training ( along with many others ) | 10:54 |
| StevenK | I hope to do the same thing with main, offering to sponsor patches from people and upload them into main. | 10:54 |
| StevenK | It'd be kinda nice to request a sync for Linda, too. | 10:54 |
| StevenK | Um. I'd also say general merges for main, but the bulk of that will have to wait until Edgy+1 | 10:55 |
| mjg59 | Ok | 10:55 |
| mjg59 | Have you got anything in main at the moment? | 10:55 |
| StevenK | Linda, but it wasn't me who put her there. | 10:56 |
| mjg59 | So an obvious question is "What would you do with core-dev that you can't currently do"? | 10:56 |
| StevenK | I have spent some spare time over the last few days looking over main bugs, but nothing really struck me as being easily patched. | 10:56 |
| mjg59 | You've suggested sponsoring other people | 10:57 |
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| mjg59 | Do you think that it's currently difficult to get stuff sponsored into main? | 10:57 |
| StevenK | Yes, sponsoring other people, along with bug fixes, and helping out with work if people ask me. | 10:58 |
| StevenK | I don't think it is, but many hands make light work, and also other people may not be around to build/test/upload. | 10:58 |
| Hobbsee | (personally, i find the stuff in main hard to get uploaded, due to my timezone) | 10:59 |
| mjg59 | I guess I feel that it would be good to see more work with main first, but I don't know how Scott feels | 10:59 |
| StevenK | Hobbsee: Like you can claim yourself being in the Australia/Sydney timezone. | 10:59 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: ? | 10:59 |
| Keybuk | I must admit that I feel the same, despite his track record in Debian | 11:00 |
| Hobbsee | StevenK: i mostly can. except for staying up till 2am each morning. | 11:00 |
| Keybuk | we do things slightly differently in Ubuntu, and it would be good to see more example of his work in main first | 11:00 |
| mjg59 | StevenK: Would you be open to spending more time working with main in the Edgy cycle and then revisiting this when we come to Edgy+1? | 11:01 |
| StevenK | Indeed. | 11:01 |
| mjg59 | I'm not concerned about you screwing things up, but it's nice to have evidence that you'll use the rights granted :) | 11:02 |
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| Hobbsee | Keybuk: pm? | 11:02 |
| Keybuk | Hobbsee: it's not that pm here yet | 11:03 |
| mjg59 | Keybuk: Anything else? | 11:03 |
| Keybuk | on StevenK, nothing from me | 11:03 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: :P i meant private message. | 11:03 |
| Keybuk | lucas wanted to have a few moments | 11:03 |
| lucas | yup, I wanted to discuss DCT | 11:03 |
| lucas | since it was raised earlier | 11:04 |
| lucas | I even have a few intro lines : | 11:04 |
| mjg59 | StevenK: Ok - sorry about that, but with luck we'll see you back here soon | 11:04 |
| lucas | The Debian Collaboration Team (or DCT, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DCT ) is an Ubuntu team aiming at improving collaboration between Ubuntu and Debian by tracking changes in Ubuntu's packages. | 11:04 |
| lucas | It's not an automatic process like Scott's patches, but instead requires collaboration from *volunteer* Debian developers : | 11:04 |
| lucas | - DCT team members agree to file bugs in the BTS for all relevant issues | 11:04 |
| lucas | - the DD agrees to act promptly on those bugs | 11:04 |
| lucas | The advantage is that we limit ourselves to DD who actually want to collaborate, and don't lose time sending patches to maintainers who killfile us. | 11:04 |
| lucas | Questions: | 11:04 |
| lucas | - What do you think ? | 11:04 |
| lucas | - Ideas for improvement ? | 11:04 |
| lucas | - Volunteers ? :) | 11:04 |
| mjg59 | lucas: It sounds like a good way of building trust | 11:04 |
| mjg59 | Would you need any technical resources that aren't currently available? | 11:05 |
| lucas | I don't think so | 11:05 |
| lucas | we'll need a tool to keep track of what has been reviewed | 11:05 |
| lucas | but it will most likely be web-based, and web hosting is not a problem | 11:06 |
| LaserJock | do you think its a good thing to focus down the people involved rather than try to improve the overall Debian-Ubuntu collaboration | 11:06 |
| Keybuk | I'm a little confused ... you talk about DDs there? What would be Ubuntu's contribution to the DCT? | 11:06 |
| mjg59 | lucas: Presumably you meant volunteer Ubuntu developers, rather than volunteer Debian developers? | 11:07 |
| lucas | there are volunteers on both side : | 11:07 |
| ogra | Keybuk, it has two sides ... both of them agree to collaborate ... | 11:07 |
| lucas | volunteer ubuntu devs agree to work inside DCT (some ubuntu devs don't care about debian) | 11:07 |
| Keybuk | how will patches/issues/etc. be judged to be relevant? | 11:08 |
| Keybuk | one of the problems so far has been deciding whether a patch is worth submitting to Debian | 11:08 |
| lucas | volunteer DDs agree to respond very fast to bug reports, so they are useful for ubuntu too | 11:08 |
| mjg59 | From a technical side of things, I don't see any issue | 11:08 |
| lucas | the litmus test would be "things we changed that should be changed in debian too" | 11:09 |
| Keybuk | lucas: a useful feature for you might be ... the patch mailer (that does the ubuntu-patches mailing list, and sends to the PTS) allows custom subscriptions | 11:09 |
| Keybuk | so you can subscribe to lists of packages, etc. | 11:09 |
| Keybuk | lucas: how about where we differ to Debian? e.g. udev, or our use of /var/run, or our non-use of /emul, etc. | 11:09 |
| lucas | I think the list-of-packages-management would probably be more complex than this, but there might be code to re-use | 11:10 |
| lucas | well, it's of course not about pushing such decisions to debian | 11:10 |
| lucas | one of the problem is to review patches and know which changes are relevant to debian, which requires good knowledge of both sides | 11:11 |
| Keybuk | a good plan might be to draft up a description of what volunteers would need to do, and use ubuntu-devel to get early ones | 11:12 |
| Keybuk | and once the thing is up and running, ubuntu-devel-announce to get more | 11:12 |
| lucas | yup, that's what I started doing on the wiki page | 11:13 |
| LaserJock | I'd be a bit worried though that it might send a message that Ubuntu people don't have to worry about upstream, "somebody'll take care of it" | 11:13 |
| LaserJock | do you think that could become a problem? | 11:13 |
| lucas | ideally, all ubuntu developers would understand that debian matters a lot, and that reducing divergence makes our life easier | 11:14 |
| lucas | but it's clear that some ubuntu devs have never used debian, and don't really understand the relationship between ubuntu & debian | 11:14 |
| lucas | (that's a different issue, and it was already raised during the debian/ubuntu discussion at debconf, I think) | 11:15 |
| Keybuk | ok | 11:17 |
| Keybuk | does anybody have any questions for lucas? | 11:17 |
| lucas | :p | 11:18 |
| mjg59 | I think it sounds like a good plan | 11:18 |
| Keybuk | agree | 11:19 |
| Keybuk | lucas: good luck with it, if there's any technical resources you need, they can most likely be arranged | 11:19 |
| lucas | ok | 11:19 |
| Keybuk | any other business? | 11:20 |
| Keybuk | adjourned then | 11:20 |
| Keybuk | thanks everybody | 11:20 |
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| ogra | thanks Keybuk | 11:20 |
| Hobbsee | thanks Keybuk :) | 11:20 |
| Hobbsee | Keybuk: i can go break things now :D | 11:20 |
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| ogra | haha | 11:21 |
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| Hobbsee | hey! i want some of the cake! early birthday present! | 11:21 |
| ogra | Hobbsee, rather a late one, its nearly over :P | 11:22 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: birthday's on saturday.. | 11:22 |
| ogra | Hobbsee, i mean Keybuks :), but thanks, noted in the calendar :) | 11:23 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: ah right, yes. | 11:23 |
| Hobbsee | ohhh...yes...of course | 11:23 |
| Hobbsee | he | 11:23 |
| Hobbsee | h | 11:23 |
| toma | did anyone say Cake ? | 11:23 |
| Hobbsee | toma: hehe | 11:24 |
| ogra | yes, but he left after that sentence ... | 11:24 |
| toma | any leftover? | 11:24 |
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| ogra | well, he hasnr baked it yet :( | 11:25 |
| ogra | *hasnt | 11:25 |
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| Hobbsee | ogra: whenver i end up making it to a dev conference, you can cook us all a cake :P | 11:29 |
| ogra | lol, but only if i'm allowed to bake it ... i doubt cooked cake has a pleasant consistency :P | 11:30 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: sure | 11:30 |
| ogra | :) | 11:30 |
| ogra | i'm sure you will make it to one of the next confs | 11:31 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: yeah. maybe. if i get sponsored. | 11:31 |
| Seveas | Hobbsee, hmm, than I can @lart you irl | 11:31 |
| ogra | hehe | 11:31 |
| === Seveas should remember to bring a soggy sock | ||
| Hobbsee | Seveas: and i can kick you in real life. | 11:31 |
| Hobbsee | :D | 11:31 |
| ogra | yeah, Seveas is long overdue for a conf | 11:31 |
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| simira | Hobbsee: you aren't going to Wiesbaden? | 11:46 |
| ogra | yeah, that'd be cool ! | 11:47 |
| Hobbsee | simira: to *where*? when? | 11:47 |
| ogra | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperSprintWiesbaden | 11:47 |
| Hobbsee | wiesbaden sounds like it's in germany somewhere... | 11:47 |
| Hobbsee | oh yay! i got it right! | 11:48 |
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| ogra | yup it is | 11:48 |
| ogra | its a suburb of franfurt | 11:48 |
| raphink | congrats Hobbsee | 11:48 |
| ogra | *frankfurt | 11:48 |
| Hobbsee | ogra: not sure that i'd be much use there, i'm probably of more use at edgy+1 developer conference, although i expect that's a bit close to exams | 11:48 |
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| Hobbsee | um, okay? | 11:49 |
| simira | are there any here? | 11:49 |
| ogra | luckily not ... | 11:49 |
| === Seveas can take the ICE and be in frankfurt in a few hours | ||
| ogra | but they dont like it to be called a franfurt suburb :) | 11:49 |
| Seveas | but alas, I don't want to kill ogra | 11:50 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 11:50 |
| Hobbsee | Seveas: you'd far prefer to kill me, yes, we know. | 11:50 |
| ogra | Seveas, so pop in for an afternoon and a dinner or something :) | 11:50 |
| Seveas | ogra, ICE tickets are expensive | 11:50 |
| ogra | pfft | 11:50 |
| ogra | money is relative :P | 11:50 |
| Seveas | yes, I have relatively little of it | 11:51 |
| ogra | heh | 11:51 |
| Hobbsee | raphink: thanks :) | 11:55 |
| raphink | :) | 11:55 |
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