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[09:55] Hi everybody! [09:55] hey Hobbsee !!! [09:55] ogra: :) [09:56] hey ogra - most of kscreensavers (all but two) work completely out of the box in edgy! [09:56] yay === Hobbsee was most surprised [09:56] i didt change much in the package ... [09:56] *didnt [09:57] cant have been me :) [09:57] hi Hobbsee [09:57] h zul [09:57] ogra: hehe sure... [09:57] hi everyone [09:58] Hobbsee: the kaffeine bug is closed... [09:58] hi Tonio_, hi all [09:58] hey Gloubiboulga_ [09:58] Tonio_: cool! you fixed it? [09:59] Hobbsee: yes, the bug was due to an error of mine in the debian folder structure... === gnomefreak hasnt gottent he update on that yet :( [09:59] I had an "in progress" version on my HD and a working one [09:59] Tonio_: yeah, thought it might be... [09:59] I uploaded the bad one ;) [09:59] right [09:59] heh [09:59] oops :P === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:59] Tonio_: i just looked at it and went "sheesh this is screwed. what's he done now?" [10:00] hmm, another extremely filled agenda :P [10:00] hiya StevenK! [10:00] ogra: where is said agenda? [10:00] On the wiki [10:00] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda [10:00] ogra: I don't know if we'll get Q tonight [10:00] well, depends on mdz i guess [10:00] mdz and sabdfl are at the management love-in in Barcelona [10:00] wasnt that mallorca ? [10:00] somewhere in Spain [10:01] yeah [10:01] where the sangria flows [10:01] Keybuk: cant they find someone else to step in and vote if we dont have quorum? [10:01] well, mjg59 is here i think [10:01] is two quorum for the TB ? [10:02] two, yes [10:02] Evening [10:02] :) [10:02] hi mjg59 [10:02] hi mjg59 === StevenK waves to mjg59. [10:02] aha [10:02] so let's get the party started === StevenK tries and fails to rub the sleep out of his eyes. [10:02] hey mjg59 [10:02] wuld be a shame if Hobbsee woudnt get approved :P === Hobbsee heads for the coke to wake up [10:03] Hobbsee: off you go [10:03] Shall we get on with things, then? [10:03] ogra: if that happened, whoever *didnt* do the approving would get me bugging them for all future uploads [10:03] Hobbsee: so you want to be an uploader? [10:03] Keybuk: sorry, what do you want? [10:03] Keybuk: yes [10:03] Hobbsee, three liner intro [10:03] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hobbsee is the wiki page [10:03] shoot, sorry, i dotn have a three liner today... [10:04] Hobbsee: well, introduce yourself === gnomefreak kept her up late with kaffeine === Hobbsee meant to write that, but got sidetracked fixing amarok, and then dealing with kaffeine [10:04] "I don't have an introduction, I've been too busy fixing bugs" ... yup, that suffices as an introduction for me [10:04] right, well, i'm Sarah Hobbs, in sydney, and i do a lot of kubuntu stuff [10:04] Keybuk: :P === ogra puts on miniskirt and pompoms === Hobbsee runs at that thought === imbrandon joins ogra [10:05] lol [10:05] Hobbsee: so you'd be doing more Kubuntu work if you had upload privileges? [10:05] i'm on the Kubuntu Community Council, and i pretty much end up organising a lot of kubuntu [10:05] Keybuk: well, likely, but i also do run out of time, being a full time student, and working as well === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:05] Keybuk: it's more that i wouldnt have to bug a few million people to have to upload my fixes [10:05] in the future i'll likely go for core dev [10:06] are any of those people who have sponsored you so far here today? [10:06] in fact, you could give me those rights today to :P [10:06] Yes, I'm here. [10:06] Keybuk: sure, StevenK, Riddell, raphink, [10:06] StevenK: how have you found Hobbsee's work? [10:06] there are more...brain's not quite here yet [10:06] I support Hobbsee as MOTU (and main before too long I expect) uploader, she's done great stuff with a lot of kubuntu packages [10:07] Keybuk: She knows what she's doing. === ogra cheers loudly ... [10:07] Riddell actually approves of me organising and bossing everyone around, which is surprising [10:07] mjg59: any questions from you? [10:07] and helps other motu hopefulls like myself tremendusly [10:07] ajmitch, bddebian, both of whom arent here [10:07] I can confirm she is extremly active, tracking bugs, providing patches [10:07] Sorry, just getting through the wiki page [10:07] zakame too, who also istn here [10:07] and it is a long time effort [10:07] Hobbsee's definately an asset to MOTU [10:07] and those that aren't even motu she is great [10:07] (where is everyone this morning!) [10:08] Sleeping, duh. [10:08] bah. === ogra waves with the pompoms [10:08] Hobbsee: How do you think Kubuntu can be improved, other than simply by adding new packages and fixing bugs? === LaserJock lifts ogra on his shoulders [10:08] haha === imbrandon steals ogra's pompoms to wave them too [10:08] mjg59: well, that's certainly a part of it === toma [n=toma@toma.kovoks.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:09] mjg59: since dapper, we've been getting more people interested in development, both me, and then other people as well [10:09] of course, these people have different levels of skills, and are looking for things to do [10:09] Hobbsee: So what sort of integration issues do you see as important? [10:09] (sorry for bad spelling, i cant see the keyboard) [10:10] i'm looking at finding things for them to do, and making lists, so that we can put all of our developers to good use, as there's a severe lack of manpower in kubuntu [10:10] Riddell's awesome, but he is only one man. === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:10] mjg59: well, stuff like the fact that kubuntu-desktop got removed during upgrade - someone should have tested that, etc. it took a month or so for a screensaver bug to get fixed [10:11] all of that could have been done stacks earlier with the right people in place, and the people who are able to fix such bugs/implement such fixes to have the permissions to do it === Hobbsee suspects that she's going off on a tangent here - sorry, it's still very early [10:11] And you have plans for doing so? [10:11] mjg59: yes :) [10:11] Excellent [10:11] mjg59: i'll quite likely run out of time though [10:11] Happens to the best of us [10:12] mjg59: so i'll probably need to work out something around that [10:12] (Argh, argh, I have far too much to do at the moment) [10:12] crimsun: as well on the list of uploaders [10:12] mjg59: i wrote a to-do list yesterday while my car was being serviced - it's shockingly long :P [10:12] Riddell: you think Hobbsee would make a good team member, then? [10:12] Hobbsee, just strike everything that hasnt *buntu in it :) [10:13] mjg59: did you need any more fly spray? === Hobbsee did a gnome fix recently, and almost died of shock. :P [10:13] Keybuk: The flies are, thankfully, history [10:13] mjg59: certainly do [10:13] Ok, I think I'm done [10:14] votes@ === ogra cheers a bit more [10:14] hehe :) [10:14] an emphatic +1 from me, Hobbsee has been an asset to the team so far! [10:14] +1, based on solid recommendations [10:14] yay :D [10:14] YAY [10:14] congrats Hobbsee [10:14] Woot [10:14] congrats [10:14] congrats Hobbsee [10:14] congrats Hobbsee :) === jjesse cheers for Hobbsee [10:14] congrats Hobbsee ;) [10:14] \o/ [10:14] congratulations Hobbsee, you really deserve it [10:14] guess i'll have to seriously think about core dev now hey? [10:14] thankyou all :D [10:14] Anyone else? [10:14] Hobbsee: concrats! === ogra puts on more sane clothes again in case elmo lurks === imbrandon does a little dance , sings a little song .... oops wrong chan [10:15] mjg59: yep, me [10:15] Toadstool: you're up next [10:15] ok thx Keybuk [10:15] haha [10:15] I am Jrmie Corbier. [10:15] I've been using Ubuntu since Warty and been working on it for about 6 months. I've started with my wide-dhcpv6 package then I've continued with triaging and fixing random bugs. Now i'm packaging a few more apps and libs (mmpython is now in universe and Debian sid). I'm working on slim and freevo too. [10:15] LP: https://launchpad.net/people/jcorbier [10:15] Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeremieCorbier [10:15] Hobbsee: :p [10:15] Toadstool: what kinds of things have you been doing in Ubuntu so far? [10:16] and what kinds of things would you like to do if approved for upload? [10:16] I've done a lot of bug triaging and/or fixing in Universe [10:16] and I'll keep on working as an Ubuntu squad member [10:16] you also do transaltion work, I believe? [10:17] indeed [10:17] not as much as I would like though [10:17] Toadstool is quite active in #ubuntu-bugs [10:17] who has been sponsoring your uploads to date? [10:17] Gloubiboulga_, crimsun mainly [10:17] I've sponsored a few. Jrmie has been doing great work with universe packaging. [10:17] and bddebian [10:17] there are others === apokryphos [n=apokryph@host-84-9-32-136.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:17] dholbach too but he's not here [10:18] I sponsored one of his AMD64 fixes for ghemical, he is also helping a bit with MOTU Science which has been a help [10:18] yep, his bug fixes are always nice and I never had to tell him to change a thing === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D93DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:19] I've also published some of his comments on REVU, and he is really helpuful on #ubuntu-motu too [10:19] I forwarded the AMD64 fix for ghemical to Debian and upstream and it was included [10:19] yeah, that was nice work [10:19] unfortunately, ghemical is heavily broken for the moment :/ [10:19] and what kinds of things would you like to do if approved for upload? [10:20] Toadstool: it just needs a sync actually :-) [10:20] yeah? nice :) [10:21] Keybuk: keep on working on bugs first and package some more apps, and help MOTU wannabe [10:21] +s [10:21] Toadstool: You've done quite a lot of work in collaboration with Debian. What other things do you think we could do to improve that? [10:21] there a lot of things moving in the way patches are given back to debian iirc, in the pts for example [10:22] and a new chan on oftc has been created to improve communication with debian and 'im already on it :) [10:22] Excellent [10:22] unfortunately it doesn't have as success as I would have expected first [10:23] maybe a lack of advertisement === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:24] i'm trying to report as many debian packaging bugs as possible in the debian bts too [10:24] I approve wholeheartedly [10:24] and when i package something i try to get it included in sid too [10:25] so far, my two packages are in universe and sid [10:25] http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20060718.201847.4d546c27.en.html [10:25] Toadstool: how do you think we can combat reactions like that ^ from Debian people? [10:25] this particular maintainer's response to Ubuntu e-mailing patches has been to killfile us [10:26] well, that's a pity that some debian maintainer react this way [10:26] maybe show them that our patches are worth the inclusion in debian by posting them in the bts first [10:27] when they don't want to consider the inclusion using the new pts stuff [10:27] otoh that's a huge amount of work [10:28] maybe there should have a collaboration team, the same as utnubu on debian side [10:28] s/there/we/ === Fracture [n=Fracture@dsl-202-173-191-84.qld.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:29] did you see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DCT ? [10:29] :p [10:29] no, I'm on it, lucas just told me about it :) [10:29] I was just saying to Toadstool that we should talk together about it [10:30] mjg59: any other questions? [10:30] Nope, I'm good [10:30] votes? [10:31] +1 for seeming competence and a great attitude towards working with Debian [10:31] +1 from me also [10:31] thanks everybody :) [10:31] congrats Toadstool ;) [10:31] yay Toadstool! [10:31] congrats Toadstool :) [10:31] congrats Toadstool :) [10:32] anyone else for ubuntu-dev who didn't make it to an earlier meeting? === Hobbsee looks down the list. dotn see anyone [10:32] (just privmsgd to Keybuk:) it would be great if, after processing dev candidates, we could discuss the DCT a bit. I haven't had a lot of feedback from the ubuntu side. [10:33] ok, let's move onto core-dev [10:33] Tonio_: ? [10:33] yes [10:33] I'm Anthony Mercatante, most of you know me as a kubuntu developper and motu [10:34] Tonio_'s going for core! cool! [10:34] Hobbsee: attempting at least [10:34] Although I'm not very active as a motu, most of my work is currently done in the main section [10:34] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AnthonyMercatante [10:34] here is my wikipage [10:35] https://launchpad.net/people/tonio/+packages [10:35] and the launchpad packages one [10:36] ok, so what kinds of things would you like to be doing in main? [10:36] further Kubuntu work? Who has been sponsoring you so far? [10:36] Keybuk: mostly Riddell of course [10:36] yep, lots of kubuntu-default-settings uploads from Tonio_ and a good number of others too [10:36] I'm currently maintaining a bunch of main applications, like wlassistant, kmplayer, knetworkmanager, kaffeine... [10:37] and yes, I'm very involved in the kde implementation, configuration and simplification [10:37] he's very competant, I can't remember the last time I had to correct something before uploading [10:39] whoops === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Keybuk pipes hold music into the channel [10:40] Ah [10:40] aga [10:40] sorry, konversation crached... [10:40] Tonio_: so what kinds of improvements would you like to make to Kubuntu? [10:40] clearly you'll be fixing that bug? :p [10:40] Keybuk: hope so :) [10:40] well currently kubuntu misses a good multimedia infrastructure [10:41] (Tonio_: ouch. daily build, or the one in the repos?) [10:41] that should be changed in the future focussing on one application only [10:41] there are also lots of things to be done to get a fully logic and wel implemented kde destktop [10:42] kde is widely configurable, but requires lots of configuration to be done still [10:42] would you favour kde using gstreamer, or something else? [10:42] we need to focus on the wireless part too, since we don't currently have a wpa capable solution installed out of the box [10:43] Keybuk: I would probably favour gstreamer, yes, because it is certainly the most promissing [10:43] Keybuk: and afaik, it has great chances to be used with kde4 [10:43] so here are the most important things I would like to focus on in the next weeks [10:44] *nods*, interesting [10:44] Riddell: these are your packages, would you welcome Tonio_ into main? [10:44] Keybuk: very much so === RichJ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:45] @schedule chicago [10:45] Schedule for America/Chicago: Current meeting: Technical Board | 19 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 14:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 07:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jul 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team [10:45] mjg59: any questions? [10:47] Tonio_: Do you think you can help get Kubuntu to the same level of polish and integration as Ubuntu? [10:47] mjg59: I hope so, since it is clearly what I'm claiming for month :) [10:47] mjg59: only with a lot of work. [10:47] mjg59: anyway, that will probably require more than just my contribution [10:47] Tonio_: On the bright side, I see you've been doing a lot of work on infrastructure that both Ubuntu and Kubuntu can use [10:48] My heartfelt thanks for that :) [10:48] Tonio_, well, you have Hobbsee now :) [10:48] but the kubuntu team is comming along nicely specialy with Tonio_ [10:48] mjg59: well, networkmanager and bluez-utils mostly [10:48] Tonio_: How closely do you work with upstream? [10:48] and Hobbsee ;P [10:48] mjg59: depends if there are or not respondive ;) [10:49] Heh [10:49] But you make an effort? [10:49] I'm regularly in kontact with lots of them, and they most of the time include my patches [10:49] Excellent [10:49] Ok, I think I'm done [10:49] in kontact ? [10:49] Keybuk: You? [10:49] mjg59: I generally always try to get my patches and packages improvements upstream [10:49] I'm done [10:49] that's the goal [10:49] Votes? [10:49] Tonio_: when you misspell kontact and konversation, you certainly spend too much time working on kde :P [10:50] yeah [10:50] heh [10:50] +1 from me [10:50] +1 from me for plainly being excellent (asuming what everyone tells me is true :p) [10:50] thats what i thought too [10:50] ;) [10:50] yay Tonio_! [10:50] congrats Tonio_ :) [10:50] congrats Tonio_ [10:50] ! [10:50] mjg59: it's better not to think about if it's true or not, i'm sure :P [10:50] thank you very much everybody ! [10:50] nice day for kubuntu! [10:50] toma: very! [10:50] toma: hehe [10:51] very nice toma [10:51] ;) === Hobbsee looks for something for toma to work on :P === toma ducks [10:51] toma HIDE !! [10:51] ok, last up is Linda [10:52] err, I mean Steven [10:52] Hah [10:52] heh [10:52] Hrm, Steven doesn't fire my nick hilight. [10:52] lol [10:52] go StevenK! [10:52] I'm Steve Kowalik, Debian Developer since 2001, and an MOTU to boot. [10:53] (and the poor bugger who uploads a lot of my packages) [10:53] I hope to look at Edgy specs and help out with a few that interest me, specifically about-ubuntu, spoken-boot and a few others that escape me at the moment. [10:54] and the poor guy that has given me alot of MOTU training ( along with many others ) [10:54] I hope to do the same thing with main, offering to sponsor patches from people and upload them into main. [10:54] It'd be kinda nice to request a sync for Linda, too. [10:55] Um. I'd also say general merges for main, but the bulk of that will have to wait until Edgy+1 [10:55] Ok [10:55] Have you got anything in main at the moment? [10:56] Linda, but it wasn't me who put her there. [10:56] So an obvious question is "What would you do with core-dev that you can't currently do"? [10:56] I have spent some spare time over the last few days looking over main bugs, but nothing really struck me as being easily patched. [10:57] You've suggested sponsoring other people === gnomefreak [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [10:57] Do you think that it's currently difficult to get stuff sponsored into main? [10:58] Yes, sponsoring other people, along with bug fixes, and helping out with work if people ask me. [10:58] I don't think it is, but many hands make light work, and also other people may not be around to build/test/upload. [10:59] (personally, i find the stuff in main hard to get uploaded, due to my timezone) [10:59] I guess I feel that it would be good to see more work with main first, but I don't know how Scott feels [10:59] Hobbsee: Like you can claim yourself being in the Australia/Sydney timezone. [10:59] Keybuk: ? [11:00] I must admit that I feel the same, despite his track record in Debian [11:00] StevenK: i mostly can. except for staying up till 2am each morning. [11:00] we do things slightly differently in Ubuntu, and it would be good to see more example of his work in main first [11:01] StevenK: Would you be open to spending more time working with main in the Edgy cycle and then revisiting this when we come to Edgy+1? [11:01] Indeed. [11:02] I'm not concerned about you screwing things up, but it's nice to have evidence that you'll use the rights granted :) === StevenK nods. [11:02] Keybuk: pm? [11:03] Hobbsee: it's not that pm here yet [11:03] Keybuk: Anything else? [11:03] on StevenK, nothing from me [11:03] Keybuk: :P i meant private message. [11:03] lucas wanted to have a few moments [11:03] yup, I wanted to discuss DCT [11:04] since it was raised earlier [11:04] I even have a few intro lines : [11:04] StevenK: Ok - sorry about that, but with luck we'll see you back here soon [11:04] The Debian Collaboration Team (or DCT, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DCT ) is an Ubuntu team aiming at improving collaboration between Ubuntu and Debian by tracking changes in Ubuntu's packages. [11:04] It's not an automatic process like Scott's patches, but instead requires collaboration from *volunteer* Debian developers : [11:04] - DCT team members agree to file bugs in the BTS for all relevant issues [11:04] - the DD agrees to act promptly on those bugs [11:04] The advantage is that we limit ourselves to DD who actually want to collaborate, and don't lose time sending patches to maintainers who killfile us. [11:04] Questions: [11:04] - What do you think ? [11:04] - Ideas for improvement ? [11:04] - Volunteers ? :) [11:04] lucas: It sounds like a good way of building trust [11:05] Would you need any technical resources that aren't currently available? [11:05] I don't think so [11:05] we'll need a tool to keep track of what has been reviewed [11:06] but it will most likely be web-based, and web hosting is not a problem [11:06] do you think its a good thing to focus down the people involved rather than try to improve the overall Debian-Ubuntu collaboration [11:06] I'm a little confused ... you talk about DDs there? What would be Ubuntu's contribution to the DCT? [11:07] lucas: Presumably you meant volunteer Ubuntu developers, rather than volunteer Debian developers? [11:07] there are volunteers on both side : [11:07] Keybuk, it has two sides ... both of them agree to collaborate ... [11:07] volunteer ubuntu devs agree to work inside DCT (some ubuntu devs don't care about debian) [11:08] how will patches/issues/etc. be judged to be relevant? [11:08] one of the problems so far has been deciding whether a patch is worth submitting to Debian [11:08] volunteer DDs agree to respond very fast to bug reports, so they are useful for ubuntu too [11:08] From a technical side of things, I don't see any issue [11:09] the litmus test would be "things we changed that should be changed in debian too" [11:09] lucas: a useful feature for you might be ... the patch mailer (that does the ubuntu-patches mailing list, and sends to the PTS) allows custom subscriptions [11:09] so you can subscribe to lists of packages, etc. [11:09] lucas: how about where we differ to Debian? e.g. udev, or our use of /var/run, or our non-use of /emul, etc. [11:10] I think the list-of-packages-management would probably be more complex than this, but there might be code to re-use [11:10] well, it's of course not about pushing such decisions to debian [11:11] one of the problem is to review patches and know which changes are relevant to debian, which requires good knowledge of both sides [11:12] a good plan might be to draft up a description of what volunteers would need to do, and use ubuntu-devel to get early ones [11:12] and once the thing is up and running, ubuntu-devel-announce to get more [11:13] yup, that's what I started doing on the wiki page [11:13] I'd be a bit worried though that it might send a message that Ubuntu people don't have to worry about upstream, "somebody'll take care of it" [11:13] do you think that could become a problem? [11:14] ideally, all ubuntu developers would understand that debian matters a lot, and that reducing divergence makes our life easier [11:14] but it's clear that some ubuntu devs have never used debian, and don't really understand the relationship between ubuntu & debian [11:15] (that's a different issue, and it was already raised during the debian/ubuntu discussion at debconf, I think) [11:17] ok [11:17] does anybody have any questions for lucas? [11:18] :p [11:18] I think it sounds like a good plan [11:19] agree [11:19] lucas: good luck with it, if there's any technical resources you need, they can most likely be arranged [11:19] ok [11:20] any other business? [11:20] adjourned then [11:20] thanks everybody === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [11:20] thanks Keybuk [11:20] thanks Keybuk :) [11:20] Keybuk: i can go break things now :D === Keybuk goes back to the cake [11:21] haha === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [11:21] hey! i want some of the cake! early birthday present! [11:22] Hobbsee, rather a late one, its nearly over :P [11:22]