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| Lord_Athur | hi all | 01:42 |
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| Burgwork | hey jsgotangco, Lord_Athur | 02:03 |
| jsgotangco | hey Burgwork | 02:03 |
| LaserJock | hi guys | 02:04 |
| jsgotangco | how's it going | 02:08 |
| LaserJock | I've been fighting with emacs all day :-) | 02:10 |
| LaserJock | rather, emacs+OS X | 02:10 |
| LaserJock | cause it worked just fine in Ubuntu | 02:10 |
| Burgwork | LaserJock, you are mad | 02:18 |
| LaserJock | yes I am. I wish I had an Ubuntu box at work | 02:18 |
| jsgotangco | i thought emacs is shipped in OSX by default | 02:19 |
| LaserJock | sure | 02:19 |
| LaserJock | but I wanted to add some stuff to it | 02:19 |
| jsgotangco | so what's the issue? its the same keybindings though | 02:19 |
| jsgotangco | ahhh | 02:19 |
| LaserJock | getting it to work right is another matter | 02:19 |
| jsgotangco | its just a bunch of lua files to be added right? | 02:19 |
| LaserJock | lisp | 02:20 |
| jsgotangco | argghhh yeah lisp my bad | 02:20 |
| LaserJock | anyway, I wanted to be able to do more stuff from CLI | 02:21 |
| LaserJock | and emacs seemed to be able to do what I wanted | 02:21 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 02:21 |
| LaserJock | PIM, wiki, etc. | 02:21 |
| jsgotangco | do you know planner mode | 02:21 |
| LaserJock | that's what I'm trying to get to work | 02:21 |
| jsgotangco | lol you should ask sacha the current maintainer she's very very helpful and currently use OSX | 02:22 |
| LaserJock | in Ubuntu I just install planner-el and off I go | 02:22 |
| jsgotangco | she's a dear friend of mine | 02:22 |
| LaserJock | no such luck in OS X | 02:22 |
| jsgotangco | just send her an email she'll give you tips on how to do that | 02:22 |
| LaserJock | really? I feel like I know her well, I've been on her site all day | 02:22 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 02:22 |
| jsgotangco | heh she's really nice when you get to meet her personally | 02:23 |
| LaserJock | I saw the site was .ph | 02:23 |
| jsgotangco | yes she's a local here | 02:23 |
| jsgotangco | but she's currntly in toronto | 02:23 |
| jsgotangco | doing her masters | 02:23 |
| jsgotangco | all of that website is done in emacs+emacswiki+plannermode | 02:24 |
| Burgwork | just before I leave, I thought I would celebrate by showing a picture of beer: http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/2006/07/do_i_sense_a_fr.html | 02:25 |
| jsgotangco | heh that's a good one | 02:26 |
| LaserJock | jsgotangco: yeah, it's really sweet how it's wikified, that's exactly what I was looking for | 02:28 |
| LaserJock | a CLI Tomboy ;-) | 02:28 |
| jsgotangco | well yeah | 02:28 |
| === jsgotangco should use planner mode again | ||
| LaserJock | the learning curve is pretty steap though | 02:29 |
| LaserJock | I'm using a newer version that uses muse instead of emacs-wiki | 02:29 |
| jsgotangco | well with just a few key bindings in your .emacs file you could create your own stuff | 02:29 |
| LaserJock | I'm working on it | 02:30 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 02:30 |
| jsgotangco | you can sync that if you want, im sure she'll appreciate it, she's been meaning to do that for the longest time but school got in her way | 02:33 |
| jsgotangco | although its a really *tiny* package | 02:33 |
| jsgotangco | =) | 02:33 |
| LaserJock | wahoo, I got it to publish it to html in my ~/public_html :-) | 02:40 |
| LaserJock | how cool | 02:40 |
| jsgotangco | umm yeah that's emacswiki | 02:40 |
| jsgotangco | you can publish everyday until you have a month long journal/diary | 02:40 |
| LaserJock | it's this new muse thing instead of emacswiki | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | supposedly it's better | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | I can publish to latex, xhtml, html, etc. | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | anway, this is pretty cool | 02:41 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | hah, it can do RSS 2.0 too | 02:42 |
| jsgotangco | hrmm how come dapper still comes with emacswiki | 02:42 |
| LaserJock | because the muse support is pretty new | 02:42 |
| LaserJock | fink has it I think | 02:43 |
| LaserJock | not sure about debian | 02:43 |
| LaserJock | I know there is a debian repo for it | 02:43 |
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| Lord_Athur | hi all | 03:54 |
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| cbx33 | ping RichEd | 07:19 |
| cbx33 | brb - breakfast | 07:33 |
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| highvoltage | aah, so that explains why my suspend doesn't work. i thouhgt it was this new laptop :) | 08:42 |
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| === highvoltage waves Yagisan | ||
| highvoltage | ogra: please wake up. i have an idea that i'm excited about that i want to talk to you about. | 09:12 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: how are you today ? | 09:12 |
| highvoltage | Yagisan: thirsty, but otherwise very good | 09:13 |
| highvoltage | also hit the snooze butten more than 5 times this morning | 09:13 |
| highvoltage | (logt count after that) | 09:13 |
| highvoltage | *lost | 09:13 |
| Yagisan | highvoltage: wish I could say the same :( I've got problems with my eyes | 09:14 |
| Yagisan | I see red spots that don't exist | 09:14 |
| highvoltage | what's wrong? | 09:14 |
| highvoltage | that's strange. | 09:14 |
| highvoltage | what causes that? | 09:14 |
| Yagisan | and the optometrist can't see anything wrong | 09:14 |
| Yagisan | so I'm off to the specialist on wednesday, and will be relived of $147 | 09:15 |
| Yagisan | and I'm laying odds, that that won't know what's wrong either | 09:15 |
| Yagisan | I also discovered I have 20/15 vision, and am slightly long sighted. | 09:16 |
| Yagisan | are the joys of being a guinea pig | 09:16 |
| highvoltage | hmmm. couldn't find anythin on google about it | 09:17 |
| Yagisan | me either | 09:18 |
| Yagisan | but I assure you, I see those bright red spots | 09:18 |
| highvoltage | do they stay at the same place? or move around? | 09:18 |
| Yagisan | they move | 09:19 |
| highvoltage | how big are they? | 09:19 |
| Yagisan | can be very annoying | 09:19 |
| Yagisan | small. usually in clusters of 3 | 09:19 |
| Yagisan | ever looked close at a tv | 09:19 |
| highvoltage | yep | 09:20 |
| Yagisan | at the coloured dots on the screen ? | 09:20 |
| highvoltage | yes | 09:20 |
| Yagisan | looks somewhat like that | 09:20 |
| === highvoltage finds it tough to imagine | ||
| highvoltage | well, my advice for any medical problem is always: drink lots of water | 09:20 |
| highvoltage | it seems to help for everything | 09:21 |
| Yagisan | I've had them for years, but it's increased recently. I mentioned it in passing to the optometrist and she was very concerned | 09:21 |
| Yagisan | 1.5hrs if testing, and couldn't find a reason. | 09:21 |
| highvoltage | and there's no records of similar conditions? | 09:23 |
| Yagisan | not that they know of | 09:23 |
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| cbx33 | mornin all | 09:26 |
| Yagisan | G'day cbx33. you missed the most fascinating discussion about how my eyes are stuffed | 09:27 |
| cbx33 | I thought your eyes were extremely good? | 09:27 |
| RichEd | morning all :) | 09:27 |
| cbx33 | hey RichEd did you get the spreadshet | 09:28 |
| RichEd | hey highvoltage ... saw this comment ... can't find background [aah, so that explains why my suspend doesn't work. i thouhgt it was this new laptop] explain if you have a moment | 09:29 |
| highvoltage | hey cbx33 | 09:29 |
| highvoltage | hi RichEd | 09:30 |
| highvoltage | RichEd: i broke my suspend by using a fork of usplash that does high resolutions and other fancy stuff (like plaing video, etc) | 09:31 |
| cbx33 | yikes Yagisan | 09:31 |
| cbx33 | hi highvoltage | 09:31 |
| highvoltage | it breaks suspend because new bioses and display cards are basically junk. | 09:31 |
| cbx33 | my eyes are screwed but for a totally different reason | 09:31 |
| highvoltage | and don't work like their supposed to. | 09:31 |
| Yagisan | cbx33: nice isn't it o_O | 09:31 |
| highvoltage | when you use lower resolutions and colour depths, then the bios works like it should, and resets your display when you unsuspend. | 09:31 |
| cbx33 | Yagisan: not really :p | 09:32 |
| RichEd | highvoltage: okay :) was wondering where hibernate files are kept and wanted to read more ... any advice ? | 09:32 |
| RichEd | cbx33: yessir i sure did ... was up till past pumpkin time getting my notebook booting in Ed / Ub / Kub ... all sorted :) ... ready to dive into openoffice dos today | 09:32 |
| crimsun | we suspend-to-disk in the primary swap. | 09:32 |
| highvoltage | RichEd: when you hibernate, your memory is stored in your swap partition | 09:33 |
| highvoltage | RichEd: when you suspend, it stays in RAM | 09:33 |
| RichEd | thanks highvoltage & crimsun ... so all 3 boots will share the same hibernate disk space, will clear & tidy on shutdown & reboot ... most excellent | 09:34 |
| RichEd | cbx33: openoffice docs not dos (doos :P) | 09:35 |
| cbx33 | does that mean you can't hibernate all three at the same time? | 09:35 |
| cbx33 | RichEd: ;p | 09:35 |
| highvoltage | RichEd: watch your language! | 09:35 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage: he keeps doing that :p | 09:36 |
| cbx33 | hehehe | 09:36 |
| RichEd | quick opinion ?? aim vs xchat <- pros / cons < need to make a decision for my standard IRC | 09:37 |
| cbx33 | xchat | 09:37 |
| cbx33 | would be my choice | 09:37 |
| highvoltage | irssi would be my choise | 09:37 |
| highvoltage | *choice | 09:37 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 09:37 |
| highvoltage | xchat would be my second choice. I don't know about an aim IRC clien. | 09:38 |
| RichEd | at a first glance, aim does more than xchat no ? (aim is default install on my edubuntu, xchat is an option to fetch) | 09:38 |
| RichEd | aim looks like it has ICQ and other instant messenger stuff | 09:38 |
| ogra | yeah its an instant messenger ... | 09:39 |
| Yagisan | I like gaim, but it needs more work for IRC | 09:39 |
| ogra | not really suited for irc imho | 09:39 |
| Yagisan | eg | 09:39 |
| crimsun | if you mean Gaim, yes, it handles multiple protocols. It's quite ... unintuitive for IRC, though. | 09:39 |
| Yagisan | /kick doesn't seem to work | 09:39 |
| cbx33 | crimsun: totally | 09:39 |
| ogra | haha | 09:39 |
| RichEd | highvoltage: pray extoll on the virtues of irssi ? (in a short concise sentence) | 09:39 |
| ogra | highvoltage, pong | 09:39 |
| crimsun | the UI is /horrible/ | 09:39 |
| cbx33 | morning ogra | 09:39 |
| RichEd | i'm using xchat for win right now ... and i quite like it's style | 09:40 |
| cbx33 | RichEd: xchat is probably the most intutive | 09:40 |
| cbx33 | imho | 09:40 |
| Yagisan | but gaim does work on all protocols I need | 09:40 |
| ogra | ++ | 09:40 |
| highvoltage | RichEd: the nicest thing about irssi is you can run it in screen | 09:41 |
| cbx33 | highvoltage: true | 09:41 |
| RichEd | morning ogra ... | 09:41 |
| highvoltage | RichEd: so you don't have to exit your client when switching between kubuntu/xubuntu/ubuntu | 09:41 |
| highvoltage | you can also run it remotely, which is handy when irc ports are firewalled, or if you disconnect from the network a lot | 09:42 |
| cbx33 | edubuntu....you missed it off the list :p | 09:42 |
| highvoltage | morning ogra | 09:42 |
| cbx33 | brb | 09:42 |
| highvoltage | i actually meant kde/xfce/gnome :) | 09:42 |
| crimsun | I think the nicest thing about irssi running in screen is its proxy module so you can continue to use X-Chat to connect to your irssi proxy over an ssh tunnel without losing a step. | 09:42 |
| RichEd | highvoltage: do you mean switching "interface" as opposed to rebooting into alternate os | 09:42 |
| highvoltage | ogra: i have a bit of a radical idea for ltsp | 09:42 |
| highvoltage | ogra: but it's so crazy it just might work (apologies for flintism) | 09:42 |
| highvoltage | RichEd: switching interface | 09:43 |
| RichEd | okay ... may chat to you about the later ... i've gone the 3 boot option | 09:43 |
| RichEd | anyway will install xchat in edubuntu for now .. and get going quickly & easily in an interface i am familiar with ... and check out the irssi later | 09:43 |
| highvoltage | ogra: last night i was thinking about ways to make a diskless fat client better, and I thought that it might be completely redundant to have a seperate chroot for the clients | 09:43 |
| highvoltage | ogra: so i thought, it might be better to export / to the nfs clients, and then use a free runlevel (such as runlevel 7) to boot the clients from | 09:44 |
| ogra | indeed it is | 09:44 |
| ogra | nah | 09:44 |
| highvoltage | then, you solve a lot of problems | 09:44 |
| highvoltage | such as maintenance, and how to install software... even things like getting the session information and lagnuage packs are easier. | 09:45 |
| ogra | just add something to ltsp-client that makes it die if FAT_CLIENT is set ... so the booting goes on up to gdm | 09:45 |
| highvoltage | ogra: ah, even better! | 09:45 |
| highvoltage | ogra: but then I thought, is there then even a reason to have a think client chroot, because you could do the same for thin clients, but just run ldm instead of gdm? | 09:46 |
| highvoltage | s/think/thin | 09:46 |
| ogra | well, ldm isnt really written for local logins | 09:46 |
| highvoltage | so the /opt/ltsp directory could then be entirely dropped, and ltsp would then just become a few scripts. | 09:46 |
| highvoltage | ogra: i didn't mean for local logins, i menat for thin clients | 09:47 |
| ogra | oh, you want to export / instead of /opt/ltsp | 09:47 |
| highvoltage | (sorry for my typos, extremely lagged here) | 09:47 |
| highvoltage | ogra: yes. i understand that that could have its own problems too | 09:47 |
| ogra | yup | 09:48 |
| ogra | some majore ones, like security :) | 09:48 |
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| highvoltage | that's what I thought too :( | 09:48 |
| highvoltage | but there must be a way to get around it. | 09:48 |
| ogra | hmm, no usplash on ppc live | 09:48 |
| ogra | highvoltage, well i like the idea of having a distinct system thats tailored for the task | 09:49 |
| ogra | the speedups i did wouldnt work in a real system for example | 09:49 |
| ogra | boot speedup i mean | 09:49 |
| highvoltage | for example? | 09:50 |
| ogra | the initscripts we dropped | 09:50 |
| highvoltage | you could do that with a new runlevel. | 09:50 |
| ogra | thats no option in a debian based system | 09:50 |
| highvoltage | aah | 09:50 |
| ogra | you dont touch the defaults here | 09:50 |
| highvoltage | i think i'll read some more debian policy tonight | 09:51 |
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| RichEd | -> shower - 15 mins | 10:46 |
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| RichEd | question posed by xchat channel: why make xchat-gnome default over xchat (via Synaptic search & install) ? | 11:41 |
| ogra | who does that ? | 11:44 |
| RichEd | ogra: not sure what you mean ? | 11:45 |
| ogra | who makes xchat-gnome default over xchat ? | 11:49 |
| RichEd | i was using Xchat on XP ... after our chat this morning, i wanted to install on Edubuntu, so opened Synaptics, searched for xchat & installed what was listed | 11:50 |
| ogra | oh, you probably dont have universe enabled | 11:50 |
| RichEd | how do i do that ? | 11:50 |
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| ogra_ | go into the add/remove applications tool from your menu | 12:00 |
| ogra_ | on the top right (at least in edgy) it has a selector | 12:00 |
| ogra_ | select "all apps" | 12:00 |
| ogra_ | then search for xchat | 12:00 |
| ogra_ | RichEd, ^^^^^^^^^ | 12:01 |
| cbx33 | :D | 12:01 |
| RichEd | doing that now ... | 12:04 |
| RichEd | okay ... i need to select : show unsported applications and then i see: XChat IRC | 12:06 |
| ogra_ | yep | 12:06 |
| ogra_ | above xchat-gnome i think :) | 12:06 |
| RichEd | if i don't do that: i see" XChat - GNOME IRC | 12:07 |
| RichEd | nope below ! | 12:07 |
| ogra_ | -gnome was moved to main, xchat was moved to universe, dont ask mwe why ... | 12:07 |
| ogra_ | well, for me its above :) | 12:08 |
| RichEd | so if the average user is told : search for and install xchat ... they end up with Gnome version | 12:08 |
| ogra_ | well, they end up with the version we support | 12:08 |
| RichEd | (and then ask some misdirected interface questions in #xchat "why is this different to what I saw in XP yesterday") :) | 12:09 |
| ogra_ | again, dont ask me why i'm a big opponent to xchat-gnome as well as i dont like the idea of abusing an IM client to do IRC | 12:09 |
| ogra_ | but seb128 and the desktop team decided both of these ... | 12:09 |
| RichEd | but i know we can't support all, and GNMOE looks a bit simpler for the new user | 12:09 |
| ogra_ | it lacks a lot of features | 12:10 |
| ogra_ | and i (as many other people ) find the UI unusable | 12:10 |
| RichEd | yep ... that is the sort of question i was asking in #xchat = no right click whois display | 12:10 |
| ogra | yup | 12:11 |
| RichEd | was also goping to ask about alternate nicks in settings ... | 12:11 |
| ogra | and you cant move the userlist to the other side for example | 12:11 |
| ogra | i find that very disturbing | 12:11 |
| RichEd | you can't even show it ! unless you click on the button (transient window) | 12:11 |
| ogra | the topic ui is horrible | 12:11 |
| ogra | either you cant read the topic or it eats all of your windowsize | 12:12 |
| RichEd | ... okay will install XChat ... and make notes for later suggestions ... | 12:12 |
| RichEd | tx. | 12:12 |
| ogra | i'd have goine for xchat in edubuntu ... | 12:12 |
| ogra | but not for xchat-gnome | 12:12 |
| ogra | (we have some freedom what apps we select ;) ) | 12:13 |
| ogra | going for xchat wiould have meant that we'd have to support the same app with different UI twice ... so that wasnt an option | 12:13 |
| RichEd | i'll boot to Ubuntu just now & see if the install behavior is the same (and Kubuntu) ... | 12:16 |
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| jsgotangco | hi | 12:18 |
| ogra | ubuntu is surely the same | 12:18 |
| ogra | kubuntu will likely be different i'm not sure they even have a install/remove equivalent | 12:18 |
| highvoltage | RichEd: do you reboot when you want another display environment? | 12:19 |
| === ogra ponders dropping kig and getting drgeo to main and into edubuntu ... | ||
| RichEd | yes highvoltage : reasons as follows: | 12:20 |
| RichEd | (1) want to test all installs as they are released | 12:20 |
| highvoltage | ogra: are you on the k12osn mailing list? some misguided soul posted edubuntu feedback there :) | 12:20 |
| RichEd | (2) want to learn the exact differences | 12:20 |
| ogra | heh, no, i'm not :) | 12:20 |
| === jsgotangco just had a wonderful lunch with the head of one of the most powerful and influential non-profit foundation in the country regarding edubuntu | ||
| RichEd | (3) want to learn the similarities of the underlying installs | 12:20 |
| highvoltage | RichEd: if you don't mind running non-free software, you could also use vmware to install it, which is very time consuming | 12:20 |
| highvoltage | i mean, time saving :) | 12:21 |
| RichEd | and want to be able to demo to others as they would experience it | 12:21 |
| ogra | RichEd, apart from the desktop they are all identical | 12:21 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: i think we're in business here | 12:21 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, YAY ! | 12:21 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: i think you'll be coming here soon =) | 12:21 |
| jsgotangco | *by force* | 12:22 |
| RichEd | hundreds jsgotangco :) | 12:22 |
| ogra | and i think our knot 1 is ready to go ! (after three days and several nightshifts *sigh*) | 12:22 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: i actually had a successful install an hour ago for amd64 | 12:22 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, hehe, cool, i'll come with pleasure :) | 12:22 |
| RichEd | highvoltage: i already noted your comments earlier, and JaneW explained some of this | 12:22 |
| RichEd | but i am a 1st principles sort of a person ... learn from the gound up without any shortcuts before i undertstand them fully | 12:23 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, me too ... i386 did make probs ... but i found out it simply doesn like the APIC of my turon CPU | 12:23 |
| ogra | *turion | 12:23 |
| jsgotangco | i think the baseline is successful installation after all its just a bunch of syncs | 12:23 |
| jsgotangco | right? | 12:23 |
| RichEd | so i will be ready for simplification & tips in a while ... and have planned my partitions so that i can change without losing any data | 12:23 |
| jsgotangco | there isn't much edgy features in knot-1 except a bunch of new apps | 12:25 |
| RichEd | [ i always used to get moaned at in school for deriving theoroms in an exam instaed of learning them as given in class ] :) | 12:25 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: send me an email update if you have a chance ... is this related to yesterdays chat ? | 12:26 |
| ogra | jsgotangco, yep, but there are things like only half written sources.list files etc ... | 12:27 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: nope this is bigger, i just had this a few weeks ago, but only had the chance to had lunch with the head today | 12:27 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: this is more tangible in a sense | 12:27 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: because its led by the foundation of the biggest media network here | 12:28 |
| jsgotangco | im drafting an email later about it | 12:28 |
| ogra | thats the countrywide thing ? | 12:28 |
| RichEd | well even better then :) results & a voice to sing about it ! | 12:28 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: yeah | 12:28 |
| ogra | yay | 12:28 |
| jsgotangco | i will most likely work there | 12:28 |
| ogra | cool ! | 12:28 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: http://www.abs-cbnfoundation.com/ | 12:29 |
| jsgotangco | why is their site in IIS | 12:29 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 12:29 |
| ogra | "in the service of the filipino child" ... nice slogan :) | 12:30 |
| ogra | i wonder if the installer is clever enough to carry over the nolapic option to grub ... | 12:31 |
| jsgotangco | so if things push through, i'll be working on ubuntu/edubuntu but not hired directly by canonical heh | 12:32 |
| jsgotangco | full time | 12:32 |
| ogra | i never tried that | 12:32 |
| ogra | wow | 12:32 |
| jsgotangco | i tink that's a nice thought | 12:32 |
| jsgotangco | doing something like what guadalinex did | 12:32 |
| ogra | so if i every should get fired i know where to ask for a job as your helper :) | 12:32 |
| jsgotangco | this is a very influential foundation | 12:33 |
| ogra | s/every/ever/ | 12:33 |
| jsgotangco | ogra: http://www.newsflash.org/2004/02/sb/sb003803.htm | 12:34 |
| jsgotangco | i knew from starters they need something happening when i saw her office PC running windows98 | 12:36 |
| === ogra wonderswhy all these wimen in education are called lopez ... :) | ||
| jsgotangco | ogra: she's into meditation and she saying that ubuntu is spiritually clean | 12:38 |
| ogra | the boss of linex is also a woman and her lkast name is lopez :) | 12:38 |
| jsgotangco | that was unexpected (ubuntu being spiritually clean) | 12:38 |
| === jsgotangco in his mind he was telling himself he just likes using linux | ||
| jsgotangco | because her yoga teacher introduced her to ubuntu and sayign that this is "clean" because the people behind it have good intentions compared to what you are using "windows" | 12:39 |
| cbx33 | ogra: did you say your script is updated now? | 12:40 |
| ogra | cbx33, no, and i wont ... simply because adding such an option is useless :) | 12:40 |
| ogra | we dont have dapper daily CDs :) | 12:40 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm | 12:40 |
| ogra | there are always only the devel distro ones ... | 12:40 |
| cbx33 | :S | 12:40 |
| jsgotangco | if i use the script on an edgy iso, it'll rsycn to dapper? | 12:40 |
| ogra | nope | 12:41 |
| ogra | it defaults to edgy | 12:41 |
| cbx33 | what were you saying the other day then about the new script? | 12:41 |
| cbx33 | I'm confused? | 12:41 |
| ogra | in this regard its updated ... | 12:41 |
| jsgotangco | i thought it just refers to the file name | 12:41 |
| cbx33 | oh, did you mean to sync back to dapper? | 12:41 |
| ogra | but i didnt add an --distro option | 12:41 |
| cbx33 | no i didn't want that | 12:41 |
| cbx33 | :p | 12:41 |
| ogra | because that'd be uesless :) | 12:41 |
| jsgotangco | becuase i used it and i was able to rsynch | 12:41 |
| ogra | yep | 12:41 |
| cbx33 | but as long as it' updated I'll fix up my gui for it | 12:42 |
| jsgotangco | so it doesn't need an update :P | 12:42 |
| jsgotangco | because it works as is | 12:42 |
| ogra | it was updated :) | 12:42 |
| jsgotangco | when? | 12:42 |
| ogra | a week ago or so | 12:42 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 12:42 |
| jsgotangco | im safe then | 12:42 |
| cbx33 | :p | 12:42 |
| jsgotangco | well going back | 12:43 |
| jsgotangco | talking about ubuntu being spiritually clean was a bit weird though | 12:43 |
| ogra | anyway, since its really dumb it only rsyncs what it finds under http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/ | 12:43 |
| jsgotangco | yeah that's what i thought | 12:43 |
| ogra | and there is no distro name in that url :) | 12:43 |
| ogra | but it assembles the iso names from the distro name ... so i had to adjust that | 12:44 |
| cbx33 | yes | 12:44 |
| cbx33 | I know :p | 12:44 |
| jsgotangco | but if you already have an existing iso, it doesn't need an adjustment | 12:44 |
| ogra | well, it does | 12:44 |
| jsgotangco | but you cannot use it to update a dapper iso to edgy | 12:45 |
| jsgotangco | can you? | 12:45 |
| ogra | edgy-install-amd64.iso | 12:45 |
| ogra | there is edgy in it :) | 12:45 |
| jsgotangco | because what i did was download edgy first, then rsync it using the script from the dailies | 12:45 |
| ogra | it rsyncs $distro-$flavor-$arch.iso | 12:45 |
| ogra | i copied the dapper isos and rsynced on top of that ... | 12:47 |
| ogra | didnt really give any advantage :) | 12:47 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 12:49 |
| jsgotangco | what's the chance that this build is knot-1 | 12:50 |
| jsgotangco | high? | 12:50 |
| jsgotangco | because it iinstalls fine | 12:50 |
| ogra | look into your source.list :) | 12:50 |
| ogra | we'll have another (last) build | 12:51 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: re the spiritual thing ... lovely comment ... that is the sort of thing we can use as a "real user quote" ... | 12:51 |
| RichEd | fits with the whole ubuntu meaning ... | 12:52 |
| jsgotangco | i didnt think of it at all when she said that | 12:52 |
| jsgotangco | so it was kind of interesting | 12:52 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: im writing an introductory email later | 12:52 |
| jsgotangco | as we have discussed | 12:52 |
| RichEd | i'll make a note of it ... we can sure use that in the press ... once we have "cleansed her" and are ready to talk about success | 12:53 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: tx | 12:53 |
| jsgotangco | "proprietary os cleansing" lol | 12:54 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: have you seen the link i gave to ogra? | 12:54 |
| jsgotangco | RichEd: : http://www.newsflash.org/2004/02/sb/sb003803.htm | 12:55 |
| RichEd | purge baby purge ... we'll also offer exorcisms for particulary difficult embedded systems :) | 12:57 |
| cbx33 | is the convention desktop and alternative now? | 12:57 |
| cbx33 | instead of live and install? | 12:57 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 12:57 |
| jsgotangco | since dapper | 12:57 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: opening link while i load up a coffee ... | 12:58 |
| cbx33 | I don;t actually think I need to do anything | 12:58 |
| cbx33 | anyone in the mood to try out grasynco? | 12:58 |
| cbx33 | the gui to rsyncer.sh ? | 12:58 |
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| cbx33 | branch at http://www.progbox.co.uk/grasynco | 01:01 |
| cbx33 | shuold be uptodate | 01:01 |
| cbx33 | but it is still beta | 01:01 |
| cbx33 | I will not be held responsible if it breaks your isos | 01:01 |
| cbx33 | :p | 01:01 |
| cbx33 | actually..... | 01:02 |
| cbx33 | I want to make one more revision | 01:02 |
| cbx33 | then it'll be almost perfect :p | 01:02 |
| jsgotangco | it shall be known as the great grasynco | 01:11 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 01:11 |
| jsgotangco | sound like an italian job | 01:11 |
| cbx33 | heheh | 01:11 |
| cbx33 | yup | 01:11 |
| cbx33 | it works fine it you already have isos there | 01:11 |
| cbx33 | just need to do the create bit | 01:11 |
| cbx33 | which is easy | 01:11 |
| cbx33 | is themeeting this lunch or is it tonight? | 01:11 |
| ogra | tonight | 01:12 |
| cbx33 | I'll be there | 01:12 |
| cbx33 | so will AliasVegas :p | 01:12 |
| cbx33 | we were discussing artwork yesterday | 01:12 |
| ogra | thats good | 01:13 |
| ogra | we need to get something going ... | 01:13 |
| ogra | time gets shorter | 01:13 |
| jsgotangco | sorry i wont be able to attend (4am) but RichEd knows what i have been doing lately | 01:13 |
| jsgotangco | (not doc-wise though) | 01:13 |
| cbx33 | i know | 01:14 |
| RichEd | is that the meeting for the morning tomorrow i.e. in 15.5 hours ? | 01:14 |
| ogra | nope | 01:14 |
| ogra | the edubuntu meeting | 01:14 |
| ogra | see fridge.ubuntu.com/event | 01:15 |
| jsgotangco | dinner brb | 01:16 |
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| === rodarvus just had breakfast | ||
| === cbx33 just had some shortbread | ||
| cbx33 | apple next | 01:21 |
| === ogra_ just had 3 successfull installs | ||
| jsgotangco | yay | 01:22 |
| === jsgotangco can only boast 1 | ||
| ogra_ | Knot 1 --> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20060719/ | 01:22 |
| rodarvus | ogra_: so Edubuntu Knot 1 is officially a completed milestone? | 01:24 |
| ogra_ | not yet ... | 01:24 |
| ogra_ | but that iso will be it | 01:24 |
| ogra_ | we will make an official milestone release later today | 01:24 |
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| rodarvus | good | 01:25 |
| ogra_ | the current rebuild of the isos needs testig before we can release it ... | 01:25 |
| ogra_ | but since its only a fix in the sources.list we rebuilt it for i dont expect any regressions | 01:26 |
| rodarvus | do you know how ubuntu and kubuntu are progressing? | 01:26 |
| ogra_ | same speed | 01:27 |
| rodarvus | ubiquity is sorted, then? | 01:27 |
| ogra_ | i started off earlier with testing to get the ltsp pieces sorted ... but they have taken up | 01:27 |
| ogra_ | well, roughly ... | 01:27 |
| ogra_ | its the first *alpha* release ... i wouldnt expect it to work really flawless | 01:28 |
| highvoltage | ogra: anything noteworthy in knot1? | 01:29 |
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| jsgotangco | it installs fine! | 01:29 |
| ogra_ | highvoltage, apart from new software versions ? | 01:29 |
| ogra_ | not really | 01:29 |
| jsgotangco | when you install knot-1 is like installing debian sid heh | 01:30 |
| ogra_ | development just starts ... so the breakage and new features are still ahead of us | 01:30 |
| jsgotangco | just lots of sync | 01:30 |
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| ogra_ | heh | 01:31 |
| jsgotangco | its the most unnatural IRC client for sure | 01:31 |
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| ogra_ | highvoltage, WOW, that mail to the k12 list is impressing ! | 01:34 |
| === ogra_ wouldnt have expected praise :) | ||
| jsgotangco | link? | 01:38 |
| === jsgotangco doensn't subscribe to k12 though | ||
| ogra_ | https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2006-July/msg00279.html | 01:39 |
| jsgotangco | nice | 01:40 |
| ogra_ | yep | 01:40 |
| ogra_ | usually they dont have so much friendly words about us ... seems that changes :) | 01:40 |
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| highvoltage | ogra_: yeah, everyone loves Edubuntu :) | 01:47 |
| ogra_ | highvoltage, well, flint said different things after he met the k12 guys | 01:47 |
| ogra_ | and i tend to admin that dapper isnt ready to compete with them in terms of dhcp config stuff and local devices ... | 01:48 |
| ogra_ | but edgy will get us there | 01:48 |
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| ogra_ | i'm really looking forward to edgy+1 already ... where al the standards are finally done and we can start playing with the instresting extra features nobody else has :) | 01:49 |
| ogra_ | and where we have full 6 months again ... | 01:49 |
| jsgotangco | yeah we're suppose to have fun on this cycle | 01:50 |
| ogra_ | well, we were supposed to have fun in edgy already ... | 01:50 |
| ogra_ | but shortening the development to 4 moths somehow avoids that ... | 01:51 |
| jsgotangco | i had fun a few kernels ago | 01:51 |
| ogra_ | *months too | 01:51 |
| ogra_ | at least we have some time until feature freeze now ... | 01:52 |
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| cbx33 | ogra does rsyncer support xubuntu ? | 01:59 |
| jsgotangco | no | 02:00 |
| jsgotangco | you have to edit that | 02:00 |
| cbx33 | ogra it seems as if your script integrates fine with grasynco with no modifications | 02:00 |
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| cbx33 | is anyone else concerned about the amount of spam coming through on edubutnu-devel | 02:09 |
| jsgotangco | that's nothing compared to ubuntu-doc or ubuntu-users ;) | 02:11 |
| cbx33 | :S | 02:11 |
| jsgotangco | i delete like a hundred a day | 02:12 |
| cbx33 | from the list or moderation? | 02:12 |
| jsgotangco | moderation | 02:26 |
| jsgotangco | if it goes to the list something is wrong | 02:26 |
| jsgotangco | with the filtering | 02:26 |
| ogra_ | nope | 02:26 |
| ogra_ | the gay (or bot or whatever) is subscribed properly ... | 02:26 |
| ogra_ | *guy | 02:26 |
| ogra_ | so he can send his spam and the filter wnt care | 02:26 |
| jsgotangco | well yeah with that exception | 02:27 |
| === jsgotangco needs to update his breezy server later | ||
| ogra_ | well, its actually *one* spam thats gone thrugh .... | 02:28 |
| ogra_ | could be worse :) | 02:28 |
| ogra_ | hmm, its not even gotten through it seems ... | 02:30 |
| ogra_ | cbx33, you are admin of the ML, thats why you see it as it would have been posted to the ML | 02:32 |
| ogra_ | its not actually gone through ... | 02:32 |
| jsgotangco | oh yeah | 02:55 |
| jsgotangco | there's a private admin list | 02:55 |
| highvoltage | ogra_: sometimes you have to take what flint says with a pinch of salt, it seems :) | 03:02 |
| ogra_ | sure, i know that | 03:03 |
| ogra_ | but he was so extremely disappointed | 03:03 |
| highvoltage | the one guy I work with, Hilton, is also like that. when he's extremely happy or extremely unhappy or extremely anything, I have trouble taking him seriously, because he has these moods where he jumps from one mood to the other. I think flint is very much the same. They're both great guys, they just have their own weird personality issues. | 03:06 |
| highvoltage | I've used K12LTSP for two years in many schools before Ubuntu, and even before Edubuntu was around, K12LTSP pales in comparison, imho. | 03:06 |
| === ogra_ still has a problem not thinking about a blonde girl if highvoltage talks about hilton :) | ||
| ogra_ | even i met him in person :) | 03:07 |
| highvoltage | I'd only accept the contrary from someone who has actually used both systems in production environments. | 03:07 |
| highvoltage | ogra_: lol! | 03:07 |
| RichEd | ogra_: ping regarding K12LTSP | 03:10 |
| ogra_ | RichEd, pongedipong | 03:11 |
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| jsgotangco | hahhaa | 03:14 |
| highvoltage | iPong, that's apple, right? | 03:15 |
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| ogra_ | RichEd, argh ... damned ... | 03:38 |
| ogra_ | you didnt see my PM i guess | 03:38 |
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| jsgotangco | RichEd: do you mind adding Mark on CC or should I not? | 03:42 |
| RichEd | lets keep it simple for now, and i will escalate or CC if needed ... | 03:44 |
| RichEd | if I send anthing to mark, I will be sure to CC you (you are the owner) | 03:44 |
| jsgotangco | ok | 03:45 |
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| RichEd | and would prefer to free up mark's bandwidth for when we need actually need it | 03:45 |
| jsgotangco | sent | 03:46 |
| jsgotangco | ok | 03:46 |
| jsgotangco | you da man! | 03:46 |
| highvoltage | http://www.flickr.com/photos/vincentmaher/184386385/in/photostream | 03:47 |
| highvoltage | egh. sorry wrong channel. | 03:47 |
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| jsgotangco | Mr. Burger will be raped? | 03:49 |
| highvoltage | burger is afrikaans for 'citizen' | 03:52 |
| jsgotangco | ahh citizen Corey | 03:53 |
| highvoltage | heh, yes. | 03:53 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage: how are you doing | 03:53 |
| highvoltage | i'm being productive this week, so I'm happy. | 03:54 |
| highvoltage | i get frustrated when i have lots of work and don't get a chance to do it, as it's been the few weeks before | 03:54 |
| highvoltage | we had lots of meetings and planning, which is important and I enjoy in small amounts, but when work gets behind my stress levels tend to inrease. | 03:55 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: how are things your side? | 03:55 |
| jsgotangco | pretty good, there's a good chance i'll work in a foundation and do edubuntu/ubuntu full time | 03:58 |
| highvoltage | very nice. | 04:00 |
| highvoltage | i think everybody should work for a foundation or a non-profit at least once in their lives. | 04:00 |
| jsgotangco | well this isn't a technology foundation for starters but leading a project can be interesting | 04:04 |
| jsgotangco | i've been working with richard on some possible projects | 04:04 |
| highvoltage | nice | 04:07 |
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| cbx33 | jsgotangco: good on you | 04:19 |
| cbx33 | that would be cool | 04:19 |
| cbx33 | you'd be one of the lucky ones | 04:19 |
| jsgotangco | its a project that could make or break a country | 04:20 |
| cbx33 | wow | 04:22 |
| cbx33 | well if you need any other full timers :p | 04:22 |
| cbx33 | who could stay in their own country :p | 04:22 |
| cbx33 | and work from home | 04:22 |
| cbx33 | heheheh | 04:22 |
| cbx33 | right I'm over and out guys | 04:22 |
| cbx33 | i'll see you all later on | 04:23 |
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| mhz | neurogeek: hi there! | 05:36 |
| mhz | neurogeek: how's biz | 05:36 |
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| RichEd|busy | see you guys later in the meeting | 05:52 |
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| jsgotangco | goodnight | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | hi jsgotangco | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | bye jsgotangco | 06:25 |
| mhz | nn, jsgotangco | 06:25 |
| mhz | Anyone here with 'teaching' experience? | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | that's kind of a vague question :-) | 06:27 |
| mhz | LaserJock: yeah.. | 06:27 |
| mhz | Has anyone here worked as a 'teacher' in School or University or any other institution? | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | I've been a TA for university chemistry classes, but that's it | 06:28 |
| mhz | Has anyone here ever had to prepare class material, design study programs/syllabus, etc? | 06:28 |
| mhz | LaserJock: hm what does TA stand for? | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | Teaching Assistant | 06:29 |
| mhz | ooh, i see | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | not a lot of designing, etc. | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | I did have to do a fair amount of grading and had my own syllabus | 06:29 |
| LaserJock | but you are probably better off finding a "real" teacher | 06:30 |
| mhz | hm, interesting, hehehe | 06:30 |
| dan_young | mhz: I've got a BA in education and did student teaching before turning geek... | 06:30 |
| mhz | LaserJock: well, I have worked as teacher for about 3 years. | 06:30 |
| mhz | LaserJock: dan_young, the thing is this would my 3rd attempt to start working in Edubuntu-Study-Content idea | 06:31 |
| mhz | and I was analizing exelearning or Edubuntu-Study-Content idea. | 06:31 |
| dan_young | mhz: I did enough lesson planning in college to know how labor-intensive it is | 06:32 |
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| mhz | so, if more people with teaching experience could take a look at exelearning, maybe I could be told... ESC is not a as good as exelearning | 06:33 |
| mhz | dan_young: indeed | 06:33 |
| mhz | dan_young: that is why I have so much interest in ESC and exelearning | 06:33 |
| mhz | teachers do need lot of help | 06:35 |
| mhz | esp,in material creation and lesson planning | 06:35 |
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| LaserJock | \o/ | 07:17 |
| Petaris | Hi LaserJock | 07:21 |
| ogra_ | LaserJock, ? | 07:21 |
| ogra_ | tell us about the reason for the party :) | 07:22 |
| highvoltage | yeah! | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | ogra_> Kamion, Mithrandir, edubuntu is good to go ... | 07:22 |
| ogra_ | ah, yeah :) | 07:22 |
| ogra_ | indeed | 07:22 |
| ogra_ | did you ever doubt that ? ;) | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | no | 07:22 |
| ogra_ | *g* | 07:22 |
| ogra_ | i did | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | I can't doubt the magnificent ogra | 07:22 |
| ogra_ | but finally we have something t play with :) | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | you guys read eweek stuff? | 07:23 |
| ogra_ | nope | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | hmm, they mentioned the packaging guide I did in their review of Dapper. jerome was really excited about it | 07:24 |
| ogra_ | cool !! | 07:25 |
| ogra_ | indeed thats something to be excited about | 07:25 |
| LaserJock | "We were impressed to find included among the very good documentation that ships with Ubuntu a software packaging guide." | 07:25 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: ooh! | 07:25 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: well done | 07:25 |
| ogra_ | yeah ! | 07:25 |
| === ogra_ cheers for LaserJock | ||
| === highvoltage cheers for LaserJock too \O/ | ||
| LaserJock | well, it wasn't all me that's for sure | 07:26 |
| ogra_ | well, you made it happen ... | 07:26 |
| highvoltage | I don't think it would've happened without you | 07:26 |
| LaserJock | but it is cool to see that people outside MOTU see it as valuable | 07:26 |
| ogra_ | no matter if you wrote every word | 07:26 |
| ogra_ | brb reboot | 07:26 |
| LaserJock | I'm hoping it sort of becomes a mark of how excited Ubuntu is for the community to participate in their distro | 07:27 |
| mhz | LaserJock: \o/ \o/ \o/ | 07:27 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: what do you mean? | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | well, I believe that one of Ubuntu's primary strengths is it's ability to turn users into contributors | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | we build a true community around the distro | 07:28 |
| highvoltage | ok | 07:28 |
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| LaserJock | and I think that having an easy to use guide that is designed specifically for getting people from knowing nothing about packaging | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | to becoming MOTUs and contributors is somewhat of a distinguishing thing for us | 07:30 |
| LaserJock | it's got a long ways to go yet | 07:30 |
| LaserJock | but I've been please so far with the feedback I've gotten from people | 07:30 |
| LaserJock | I got this guy the other day who hadn't even installed Ubuntu yet, didn't know what ./configure was but has a love for Linux and wants to help out | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | and now he is on his way to making Ubuntu *his* distro | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | absolutely exiting | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | </day dream> | 07:32 |
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| LaserJock | http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1990777,00.asp is the URL for the article, btw. the PG is on page 3 ;-) | 07:34 |
| Petaris | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ActiveDirectoryIntegration?highlight=%28directory%29%7C%28active%29 <--- Is this what ajmitch is working on? | 07:38 |
| Petaris | hrm, this looks interesting too: http://sadms.sourceforge.net/ | 07:42 |
| ogra | Petaris, nope thats older ... ajmich is working on NetworkAuthentication | 07:46 |
| === Petaris looks that up | ||
| Petaris | In the wiki right? | 07:47 |
| ogra | no idea | 07:47 |
| ogra | in the spec tracker in any case | 07:47 |
| Petaris | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/NetworkAuthentication?highlight=%28NetworkAuthentication%29 | 07:48 |
| cbx33 | hiya all | 08:02 |
| cbx33 | hi LaserJock | 08:02 |
| LaserJock | hi cbx33 | 08:06 |
| Petaris | Hi cbx33 | 08:06 |
| cbx33 | hi Petaris | 08:06 |
| crimsun | ogra: RE: ehci/ohci: yes, it's possible the drive is buggy/went bad (I've had those symptoms, too, until I switched optical drives) | 08:13 |
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| ogra | crimsun, well *went bad | 08:25 |
| ogra | * would imply it worked before | 08:25 |
| ogra | but it doesnt work with 2.6.15 either | 08:25 |
| crimsun | hmm, long shot, but with breezy's 2.6.12? | 08:26 |
| ogra | hmm, i dont have a 2.6.12 around atm ... | 08:26 |
| ogra | i'll try if i'm in the other house | 08:27 |
| ogra | (i'm moving and have only my two lappies here) | 08:27 |
| crimsun | ok, because those symptoms sound eerily similar to my experience with a junk OEM optical drive | 08:27 |
| ogra | its a HD and i've already heard that there are probs with the HP pavillon ze2000 usb stack ... | 08:28 |
| ogra | so i doubtits buggy hw | 08:28 |
| crimsun | (err, so not buggy external HD) | 08:29 |
| ogra | oh, and that HD works everywhere else in full speed | 08:29 |
| ogra | its only this laptop | 08:29 |
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| cbx33 | ogra, grasynco is uploaded to REVU | 08:56 |
| ogra | hey, great ! | 08:57 |
| === ogra goes looking | ||
| cbx33 | still some work to do | 08:58 |
| ogra | "icons created by Jeff Waugh" | 09:00 |
| ogra | LOOOL | 09:00 |
| cbx33 | blame sistpoty | 09:00 |
| cbx33 | :p | 09:00 |
| === ogra nearly spilled beer in his new laptop keyboard | ||
| cbx33 | sistpoty told me that saying they were created by canonical wasn't enough | 09:01 |
| mhz | ogra: got another KB because you spilled on the older one? | 09:01 |
| cbx33 | mhz, "nearly" | 09:01 |
| ogra | mhz, got another laptop because the crappy acre gave up | 09:01 |
| mhz | hehehe, nice | 09:01 |
| ogra | *acer | 09:01 |
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| cbx33 | ogra, how dead is it? | 09:01 |
| mhz | ogra: ibook and anothter? | 09:01 |
| ogra | no idea yet | 09:01 |
| ogra | i'll have to investigate if i'm done with moving | 09:02 |
| cbx33 | ah yes how's that going | 09:02 |
| mhz | ogra moving?? | 09:02 |
| mhz | gee! | 09:02 |
| ogra | either the power supply is broken (all my measuring tools are packaged in boxes) or the power management electronics are dead ... | 09:02 |
| ogra | it doesnt get any power ... | 09:03 |
| === mhz got lost for 2 weeks and everything is new again | ||
| ogra | but the power supply LED is on ... | 09:03 |
| ogra | (on the power supply) | 09:03 |
| cbx33 | ah | 09:04 |
| mhz | hmmm, I got a similar problem witha powerbook. Bu ti was told that it was either a MotherBoard issue or a Processor one :( | 09:04 |
| ogra | mhz, i'm moving since more than a month already :) | 09:04 |
| mhz | lol | 09:04 |
| selmys | sorry to butt in but I just installed edubuntu 6.06 onto a 4-way P2 xeon and the kernel only sees one CPU. Is there an SMP kernel available yet? | 09:04 |
| mhz | caracoal moving | 09:04 |
| ogra | selmys, sure | 09:04 |
| mhz | sorry, that was latin | 09:04 |
| ogra | selmys, look in synaptic | 09:04 |
| ogra | the kernels all start with "linux-image" | 09:04 |
| selmys | Thanks I'll try it now. | 09:05 |
| selmys | ok I found it ... thanks again. | 09:12 |
| ogra | youre welcome :) | 09:13 |
| cbx33 | meeting in 45 mins yeh? | 09:16 |
| ogra | yep | 09:16 |
| === mhz is working on https://wiki.edubuntu.org/IrcCommands | ||
| cbx33 | ogra, remember the discussion we had about gconf priority files | 09:22 |
| cbx33 | well if you have already chosen a theme that isn't the default theme, then installing edubuntu artwork won't change that will it? | 09:23 |
| ogra | if your user settings differ from the default they wont be touched | 09:24 |
| ogra | user overrides system is the principle | 09:24 |
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| cbx33 | ok | 09:24 |
| ogra | cbx33, is the rsyncer.sh script supposed to get installed anywhere from the grasyco package ? | 09:35 |
| cbx33 | yes | 09:35 |
| cbx33 | is it not | 09:35 |
| ogra | nope | 09:35 |
| cbx33 | darn | 09:35 |
| ogra | ogra@edubuntu:~/packages$ dpkg -c /var/cache/pbuilder/result/grasynco_1.0.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb|grep rsync | 09:35 |
| ogra | ogra@edubuntu:~/packages$ | 09:35 |
| === cbx33 fixes pacakge...... | ||
| cbx33 | its in the source | 09:36 |
| cbx33 | ok uploaded latest version to REVU | 09:37 |
| cbx33 | sorry ogra was being rushed out the door as I finished that package | 09:37 |
| cbx33 | I should have spotted that one | 09:37 |
| ogra | nah | 09:37 |
| ogra | that happens ... even to me often enough :) | 09:38 |
| cbx33 | I know it's not that impressive, grasynco i mean, but it works | 09:38 |
| cbx33 | well here at least | 09:38 |
| cbx33 | thanks for beta testing | 09:38 |
| ogra | well, now is the best time to do that :) | 09:39 |
| cbx33 | swat i thought | 09:40 |
| cbx33 | please copy your isos first | 09:40 |
| cbx33 | :p | 09:40 |
| cbx33 | I don;t want you to have to redownload the mall again | 09:40 |
| cbx33 | download the mall, what am I on about :p | 09:40 |
| cbx33 | it's pre meeting excitement | 09:40 |
| mhz | meeting in 18 minutes? | 09:43 |
| cbx33 | yup | 09:43 |
| mhz | cool! | 09:43 |
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| === mhz will finally be presetn in one ! | ||
| mhz | cbx33: on #ubuntu-meeting, not here, right? | 09:44 |
| cbx33 | yes | 09:44 |
| mhz | thx | 09:44 |
| cbx33 | #ubuntu-meeting | 09:44 |
| LaserJock | ack, I better grab some food then | 09:44 |
| === mhz stayed here last time and missed about 80% of it | ||
| mhz | :( | 09:44 |
| ogra | ************ REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~13 minutes ********** | 09:47 |
| ogra | ************ REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~9 minutes ********** | 09:51 |
| cbx33 | why do you have to be difficult :p | 09:51 |
| cbx33 | 9, 13 | 09:52 |
| cbx33 | what happened to 15 | 09:52 |
| cbx33 | and 10 | 09:52 |
| cbx33 | :p | 09:52 |
| LaserJock | he missed | 09:52 |
| HedgeMage | Wow, this means I'll be on time for once... | 09:53 |
| HedgeMage | thanks, ogra, you ruined my perfect record ;) | 09:53 |
| ogra | heh | 09:53 |
| ogra | cbx33, odd numbers are more funny :) | 09:53 |
| cbx33 | do th fibonnaci | 09:54 |
| cbx33 | sequence | 09:54 |
| ogra | not really ... the ogra sit down and look at the screen sequence while doing pre meeting stuff ;) | 09:54 |
| ogra | how about | 09:54 |
| ogra | ************ REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~6 minutes ********** | 09:54 |
| ogra | :) | 09:55 |
| neurogeek | mhz, hello how are you? how is everything? | 09:55 |
| mhz | neurogeek: tired, exhausted, frustrated...but with energy to re-invent myself once more | 09:56 |
| ogra | ************ REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~3 minutes ********** | 09:57 |
| neurogeek | mhz, men.. is everything that hard? what about your plans? | 09:58 |
| neurogeek | can i help you with anything? | 09:58 |
| mhz | neurogeek: puaj! long story, sad story, I lost many things, even my Edubuntu Lab :( | 09:58 |
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| cbx33 | mhz, what happened? | 09:59 |
| ogra | ************ REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~1 minute ********** | 09:59 |
| ogra | :P | 09:59 |
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| LaserJock | oh for goodness sakes | 09:59 |
| jryer | Does anyone know why my USB flash devices are no longer recognized by ubuntu? They worked fine yesterday but after upgrading, I plug them in and nothing happens. | 09:59 |
| ogra | ************ REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting starts NOW ********** | 10:00 |
| mhz | cbx33: neurogeek: thx for the interest on knowing but I'd prefer to tell you after the meeting :) | 10:00 |
| cbx33 | sure | 10:01 |
| neurogeek | mhz ok | 10:01 |
| LaserJock | argh, it appears 27 tabs is just too much for firefox to take | 10:18 |
| cbx33 | 27 | 10:18 |
| cbx33 | *bah* | 10:18 |
| HedgeMage | LaserJock: I've done more than that without problems | 10:18 |
| LaserJock | well, the other factor is that it's on OS X | 10:20 |
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| highvoltage | goodnight everyone! | 11:15 |
| LaserJock | that was a bit active | 11:15 |
| jryer | ciaops | 11:15 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: good night highvoltage, say goodnight to the laptop too | 11:15 |
| highvoltage | it was quite. | 11:16 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: will do :) | 11:16 |
| highvoltage | i was a bit loud mouth in that meeting, but edubuntu is quite exciting. | 11:16 |
| LaserJock | highvoltage: dream of Subway | 11:16 |
| mhz | re | 11:16 |
| highvoltage | LaserJock: I'll dream of a subway with cheese! | 11:16 |
| LaserJock | ooooh yeah | 11:16 |
| === mhz gets to buy some bread anc comes back | ||
| cbx33 | LaserJock, stop dreaming | 11:17 |
| cbx33 | start melting things with those scary lasers | 11:17 |
| LaserJock | I'm working on it, have a meeting in ~ 1 hr | 11:18 |
| HedgeMage | lol | 11:18 |
| LaserJock | but while the laser is humming I'm trying to figure out how easy it would be to put Ubuntu on this iMac | 11:18 |
| LaserJock | there seems to be lots of interesting hackish things, but nothing that makes me feel comfortable | 11:20 |
| cbx33 | right I'm off for a while, winding down for the night | 11:20 |
| cbx33 | ogra, once you've testing grasynco would you be able to advocate it? | 11:21 |
| RichEd | mhz: ping | 11:21 |
| cbx33 | actually | 11:21 |
| cbx33 | bbl | 11:21 |
| AliasVegas | night guys! :) | 11:21 |
| LaserJock | cya | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | poor girl, she has to put up with Pete 24x7 ;-) | 11:23 |
| ogra | lol | 11:23 |
| ogra | that was mean :) | 11:24 |
| LaserJock | yes | 11:24 |
| LaserJock | it was | 11:24 |
| LaserJock | in the most loving sort of way :-) | 11:24 |
| ogra | :) | 11:24 |
| cbx33 | oi | 11:25 |
| cbx33 | :( | 11:25 |
| LaserJock | doh, he's still around :-) | 11:25 |
| crimsun | don't worry, LaserJock's wife has to put up with him. | 11:25 |
| cbx33 | didn't think I'd miss one like that did ya :p | 11:25 |
| cbx33 | haha | 11:25 |
| cbx33 | thanks crimsun | 11:26 |
| crimsun | np. | 11:26 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: but I'm smart enough to not let her get on these channels ;-) | 11:26 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: oppression only lasts for a while. | 11:26 |
| cbx33 | your hiding place eh LaserJock ? | 11:26 |
| crimsun | when she wisens up, you're done for! | 11:26 |
| LaserJock | doh | 11:26 |
| cbx33 | I've made an ally of my wife.....you wait till she see s what she's been missing out on | 11:27 |
| ogra | crimsun, is that the reason why you are in so many channels ? | 11:27 |
| LaserJock | LOL | 11:27 |
| cbx33 | right guys I'm off to get a cool drink | 11:28 |
| cbx33 | no comments LaserJock | 11:28 |
| cbx33 | I will be watching | 11:28 |
| crimsun | ogra: not quite ;-) | 11:28 |
| mhz | RichEd: pong | 11:28 |
| mhz | re | 11:28 |
| === mhz had went out to buy some bread | ||
| ogra | :) | 11:29 |
| RichEd | mhz: <mhz> sure, RichEd. In fact, I sent about 5 emails to Mark telling what is going on, and that we needed help ... no response <- forward these on to me please | 11:29 |
| RichEd | don't worry to tidy or anything just bang them of a is ... to give me a heads up ... | 11:30 |
| RichEd | off as is <- | 11:30 |
| RichEd | then send me you current thoughts / status of where to go from here | 11:30 |
| Burgwork | RichEd, are you working for the foundation or canonical? | 11:30 |
| RichEd | your <- you | 11:31 |
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| pygi | HedgeMage: !!! | 11:31 |
| RichEd | Burgwork: Canonical | 11:31 |
| HedgeMage | hey pygi | 11:31 |
| mhz | RichEd: okis, thx for making my life easier | 11:31 |
| HedgeMage | pygi: meeting friday at 21:30 UTC | 11:31 |
| RichEd | sidebar for those who don't know it yet ... I am also "Mr JaneW" :) | 11:32 |
| mhz | LOL | 11:32 |
| ogra | heh | 11:32 |
| LaserJock | RichEd: I thought she was Mrs. RichEd ;-) | 11:32 |
| RichEd | so have been with you all in spirit for a while ... now formally part of the team | 11:32 |
| Burgwork | RichEd, excellent. What are you doing for canonical? | 11:33 |
| mhz | RichEd: so you got a tattoo too? | 11:33 |
| HedgeMage | RichEd: in that case you must be cool :P | 11:33 |
| ogra | Burgwork, if you would attend the meetings, you'd know :P | 11:33 |
| RichEd | sure mhz : i had to hold Mrs RichEd's hand while she got done | 11:33 |
| RichEd | Burgwork: "Education Programme Manager" to be client & relationship facing | 11:34 |
| Burgwork | ogra, some of us actually work | 11:34 |
| mhz | RichEd: however, my main concern is to encourage LAm people to start contributing actively instead of staying like end-users only. And the difficult part so far has been motivating teachers to jump in | 11:34 |
| Burgwork | RichEd, ah, cool | 11:34 |
| Burgwork | ogra, ;) | 11:34 |
| pygi | HedgeMage: hey, yes I saw that | 11:34 |
| pygi | I am not sure I'd be able to attend once again | 11:35 |
| ogra | Burgwork, ;) | 11:35 |
| crimsun | mhz: what sort of [free] workshops have you guys/gals held for said teachers? | 11:35 |
| HedgeMage | pygi: How've you been? I never see you any more? | 11:35 |
| RichEd | mhz: i do understand the where the teachers are coming from though ... | 11:35 |
| mhz | RichEd: but with all due respect, the one on JaneW looks sexy | 11:35 |
| RichEd | underpaid, overworked, have to teach kids who know more about tech gadgets that they do | 11:35 |
| RichEd | have to take more training themselves, look after school sports ... | 11:36 |
| RichEd | and fetch their own kids from school | 11:36 |
| RichEd | etc. | 11:36 |
| pygi | HedgeMage: I've been on a trip lately, haunting my hosting provider people, and stuff instead of contributing | 11:36 |
| RichEd | which is why we need to create compelling human factors | 11:36 |
| HedgeMage | pygi: ahh fun fun :) | 11:37 |
| mhz | RichEd: hmm, simply put, Edubuntu needs teachers (lab people). Teachers can help us build a community with edu contents. | 11:37 |
| crimsun | teaching is a 24/7 job. We literally get NO break. | 11:37 |
| RichEd | give me a sec to type something neatly, and i will paste a good analagy | 11:37 |
| pygi | HedgeMage: I so hate hosting providers, why cant I just use my own servers for my needs? :P | 11:37 |
| RichEd | (from the business world) | 11:37 |
| RichEd | brb ... 2 mins | 11:37 |
| mhz | cbx33: can you rephrase., please. I did not quite understand | 11:37 |
| mhz | crimsun: you are a techer too? | 11:38 |
| crimsun | mhz: yes. | 11:38 |
| ogra | pygi, use server housing with a machine you own ... not a vserver :) | 11:38 |
| pygi | ogra: eh :) | 11:39 |
| mhz | crimsun: have you seen my idea of Edubuntu-Study-Content? I have trouble in my head picturing if such idea is good enough to work on. Or I should just start promoting a similar idea via Exelarning | 11:39 |
| crimsun | let's put it this way. Teachers don't have free weekends or nights, unlike some mobile calling plans ;-) | 11:39 |
| mhz | lol | 11:39 |
| mhz | indeed | 11:39 |
| mhz | 24/7 | 11:39 |
| crimsun | mhz: I'm not familiar; would you link me, please? | 11:40 |
| mhz | sure | 11:40 |
| mhz | about the 2 things? | 11:40 |
| crimsun | E-S-C and Exelarning | 11:40 |
| pygi | HedgeMage: poke? :P | 11:41 |
| HedgeMage | pygi: because then you'd need lots of expensive bandwidth | 11:41 |
| HedgeMage | that's why I don't do it anyhow | 11:41 |
| mhz | crimsun: https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-study-content | https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuStudyContent | 11:42 |
| pygi | HedgeMage: right, but this way I cant host what I want :P | 11:43 |
| pygi | Anyway, what are we upto with this meeting? | 11:43 |
| crimsun | mhz: thanks | 11:43 |
| RichEd | mhz: see pvt window for paste flood ... | 11:43 |
| mhz | yeah, reading it | 11:44 |
| HedgeMage | pygi: true :) | 11:49 |
| HedgeMage | pygi: things are just going slow so since the last meeting fell apart when I got stuck on the army base I thought we'd try another round to make sure we're all on the same page... should be fairly quick. | 11:49 |
| HedgeMage | pygi: scheduled it for after the docteam meeting so if they have anything that effects us it can get mentioned | 11:50 |
| HedgeMage | that's about it | 11:50 |
| cbx33 | mhz, what did you not understand? | 11:50 |
| Petaris | my scroll wheel is not working as expected in edubuntu | 11:50 |
| pygi | HedgeMage: oki, thanks | 11:51 |
| HedgeMage | np | 11:51 |
| Petaris | a look at the xorg.conf file shows what seems to be the correct settings though | 11:51 |
| mhz | cbx33: your question | 11:51 |
| LaserJock | HedgeMage and pygi: it would be cool if you came to the doc team meeting | 11:51 |
| cbx33 | which question? | 11:52 |
| HedgeMage | LaserJock: planning to. | 11:52 |
| HedgeMage | LaserJock: that's why I waited to schedule the EH one | 11:52 |
| pygi | LaserJock: when would that be if I may ask? | 11:52 |
| mhz | crimsun: http://www.exelearning.org/?q=about | http://www.exelearning.org/?q=screenshots | 11:52 |
| LaserJock | pygi: Friday 19:00 UTC, I believe. I'm thinking it will be in #ubuntu-doc since there is another meeting scheduled in #ubuntu-meeting at that time | 11:54 |
| === HedgeMage nods | ||
| HedgeMage | LaserJock: yes, it conflicts with the marketing meeting | 11:55 |
| mhz | crimsun: exelearning will give you Moodle and SCORM content | 11:55 |
| crimsun | mm, moodle. | 11:55 |
| crimsun | I remember that bugfix-from-hell | 11:56 |
| pygi | LaserJock: hm,oki | 11:56 |
| pygi | LaserJock: I am afraid that all I can promise atm is that I will try to attend | 11:56 |
| LaserJock | that's all I can ever do ;-) | 11:57 |
| LaserJock | but this will be the doc team's Edgy planning meeting so it would be good to have somebody from the handbook team there | 11:57 |
| pygi | LaserJock: as I said, I'll try | 11:58 |
| pygi | and Susan will be there also probably | 11:58 |
| HedgeMage | LaserJock: Unless the Army steals me again, I'll be there. | 12:03 |
| LaserJock | heh | 12:03 |
| pygi | HedgeMage: #banyantree just for a sec pls :) | 12:10 |
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