[01:42] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[02:03] <Burgwork> hey jsgotangco, Lord_Athur 
[02:03] <jsgotangco> hey Burgwork
[02:04] <LaserJock> hi guys
[02:08] <jsgotangco> how's it going
[02:10] <LaserJock> I've been fighting with emacs all day :-)
[02:10] <LaserJock> rather, emacs+OS X
[02:10] <LaserJock> cause it worked just fine in Ubuntu
[02:18] <Burgwork> LaserJock, you are mad
[02:18] <LaserJock> yes I am. I wish I had an Ubuntu box at work
[02:19] <jsgotangco> i thought emacs is shipped in OSX by default
[02:19] <LaserJock> sure
[02:19] <LaserJock> but I wanted to add some stuff to it
[02:19] <jsgotangco> so what's the issue? its the same keybindings though
[02:19] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[02:19] <LaserJock> getting it to work right is another matter
[02:19] <jsgotangco> its just a bunch of lua files to be added right?
[02:20] <LaserJock> lisp
[02:20] <jsgotangco> argghhh yeah lisp my bad
[02:21] <LaserJock> anyway, I wanted to be able to do more stuff from CLI
[02:21] <LaserJock> and emacs seemed to be able to do what I wanted
[02:21] <jsgotangco> yes
[02:21] <LaserJock> PIM, wiki, etc.
[02:21] <jsgotangco> do you know planner mode
[02:21] <LaserJock> that's what I'm trying to get to work
[02:22] <jsgotangco> lol you should ask sacha the current maintainer she's very very helpful and currently use OSX
[02:22] <LaserJock> in Ubuntu I just install planner-el and off I go
[02:22] <jsgotangco> she's a dear friend of mine
[02:22] <LaserJock> no such luck in OS X
[02:22] <jsgotangco> just send her an email she'll give you tips on how to do that
[02:22] <LaserJock> really? I feel like I know her well, I've been on her site all day
[02:22] <LaserJock> :-)
[02:23] <jsgotangco> heh she's really nice when you get to meet her personally
[02:23] <LaserJock> I saw the site was .ph
[02:23] <jsgotangco> yes she's a local here
[02:23] <jsgotangco> but she's currntly in toronto
[02:23] <jsgotangco> doing her masters
[02:24] <jsgotangco> all of that website is done in emacs+emacswiki+plannermode
[02:25] <Burgwork> just before I leave, I thought I would celebrate by showing a picture of beer: http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/2006/07/do_i_sense_a_fr.html
[02:26] <jsgotangco> heh that's a good one
[02:28] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: yeah, it's really sweet how it's wikified, that's exactly what I was looking for
[02:28] <LaserJock> a CLI Tomboy ;-)
[02:28] <jsgotangco> well yeah
[02:29] <LaserJock> the learning curve is pretty steap though
[02:29] <LaserJock> I'm using a newer version that uses muse instead of emacs-wiki
[02:29] <jsgotangco> well with just a few key bindings in your .emacs file you could create your own stuff
[02:30] <LaserJock> I'm working on it
[02:30] <LaserJock> :-)
[02:33] <jsgotangco> you can sync that if you want, im sure she'll appreciate it, she's been meaning to do that for the longest time but school got in her way
[02:33] <jsgotangco> although its a really *tiny* package
[02:33] <jsgotangco> =)
[02:40] <LaserJock> wahoo, I got it to publish it to html in my ~/public_html :-)
[02:40] <LaserJock> how cool
[02:40] <jsgotangco> umm yeah that's emacswiki
[02:40] <jsgotangco> you can publish everyday until you have a month long journal/diary
[02:41] <LaserJock> it's this new muse thing instead of emacswiki
[02:41] <LaserJock> supposedly it's better
[02:41] <LaserJock> I can publish to latex, xhtml, html, etc.
[02:41] <LaserJock> anway, this is pretty cool
[02:41] <jsgotangco> ahh
[02:42] <LaserJock> hah, it can do RSS 2.0 too
[02:42] <jsgotangco> hrmm how come dapper still comes with emacswiki
[02:42] <LaserJock> because the muse support is pretty new
[02:43] <LaserJock> fink has it I think
[02:43] <LaserJock> not sure about debian
[02:43] <LaserJock> I know there is a debian repo for it
[03:54] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[07:19] <cbx33> ping RichEd 
[07:33] <cbx33> brb - breakfast
[08:42] <highvoltage> aah, so that explains why my suspend doesn't work. i thouhgt it was this new laptop :)
[09:12] <highvoltage> ogra: please wake up. i have an idea that i'm excited about that i want to talk to you about.
[09:12] <Yagisan> highvoltage: how are you today ?
[09:13] <highvoltage> Yagisan: thirsty, but otherwise very good
[09:13] <highvoltage> also hit the snooze butten more than 5 times this morning
[09:13] <highvoltage> (logt count after that)
[09:13] <highvoltage> *lost
[09:14] <Yagisan> highvoltage: wish I could say the same :( I've got problems with my eyes
[09:14] <Yagisan> I see red spots that don't exist
[09:14] <highvoltage> what's wrong?
[09:14] <highvoltage> that's strange.
[09:14] <highvoltage> what causes that?
[09:14] <Yagisan> and the optometrist can't see anything wrong
[09:15] <Yagisan> so I'm off to the specialist on wednesday, and will be relived of $147
[09:15] <Yagisan> and I'm laying odds, that that won't know what's wrong either
[09:16] <Yagisan> I also discovered I have 20/15 vision, and am slightly long sighted.
[09:16] <Yagisan> are the joys of being a guinea pig
[09:17] <highvoltage> hmmm. couldn't find anythin on google about it
[09:18] <Yagisan> me either
[09:18] <Yagisan> but I assure you, I see those bright red spots
[09:18] <highvoltage> do they stay at the same place? or move around?
[09:19] <Yagisan> they move
[09:19] <highvoltage> how big are they?
[09:19] <Yagisan> can be very annoying
[09:19] <Yagisan> small. usually in clusters of 3
[09:19] <Yagisan> ever looked close at a tv
[09:20] <highvoltage> yep
[09:20] <Yagisan> at the coloured dots on the screen ?
[09:20] <highvoltage> yes
[09:20] <Yagisan> looks somewhat like that
[09:20] <highvoltage> well, my advice for any medical problem is always: drink lots of water
[09:21] <highvoltage> it seems to help for everything
[09:21] <Yagisan> I've had them for years, but it's increased recently. I mentioned it in passing to the optometrist and she was very concerned
[09:21] <Yagisan> 1.5hrs if testing, and couldn't find a reason.
[09:23] <highvoltage> and there's no records of similar conditions?
[09:23] <Yagisan> not that they know of
[09:26] <cbx33> mornin all
[09:27] <Yagisan> G'day cbx33. you missed the most fascinating discussion about how my eyes are stuffed
[09:27] <cbx33> I thought your eyes were extremely good?
[09:27] <RichEd> morning all :)
[09:28] <cbx33> hey RichEd did you get the spreadshet
[09:29] <RichEd> hey highvoltage ... saw this comment ... can't find background [aah, so that explains why my suspend doesn't work. i thouhgt it was this new laptop]  explain if you have a moment
[09:29] <highvoltage> hey cbx33 
[09:30] <highvoltage> hi RichEd 
[09:31] <highvoltage> RichEd: i broke my suspend by using a fork of usplash that does high resolutions and other fancy stuff (like plaing video, etc)
[09:31] <cbx33> yikes Yagisan 
[09:31] <cbx33> hi highvoltage 
[09:31] <highvoltage> it breaks suspend because new bioses and display cards are basically junk.
[09:31] <cbx33> my eyes are screwed but for a totally different reason
[09:31] <highvoltage> and don't work like their supposed to.
[09:31] <Yagisan> cbx33: nice isn't it o_O
[09:31] <highvoltage> when you use lower resolutions and colour depths, then the bios works like it should, and resets your display when you unsuspend.
[09:32] <cbx33> Yagisan: not really :p
[09:32] <RichEd> highvoltage: okay :) was wondering where hibernate files are kept and wanted to read more ... any advice ?
[09:32] <RichEd> cbx33: yessir i sure did ... was up till past pumpkin time getting my notebook booting in Ed / Ub / Kub ... all sorted :) ... ready to dive into openoffice dos today
[09:32] <crimsun> we suspend-to-disk in the primary swap.
[09:33] <highvoltage> RichEd: when you hibernate, your memory is stored in your swap partition
[09:33] <highvoltage> RichEd: when you suspend, it stays in RAM
[09:34] <RichEd> thanks highvoltage & crimsun ... so all 3 boots will share the same hibernate disk space, will clear & tidy on shutdown & reboot ... most excellent
[09:35] <RichEd> cbx33: openoffice docs not dos (doos :P)
[09:35] <cbx33> does that mean you can't hibernate all three at the same time?
[09:35] <cbx33> RichEd: ;p
[09:35] <highvoltage> RichEd: watch your language!
[09:36] <cbx33> highvoltage: he keeps doing that :p
[09:36] <cbx33> hehehe
[09:37] <RichEd> quick opinion ?? aim vs xchat <- pros / cons < need to make a decision for my standard IRC
[09:37] <cbx33> xchat
[09:37] <cbx33> would be my choice
[09:37] <highvoltage> irssi would be my choise
[09:37] <highvoltage> *choice
[09:37] <cbx33> heheh
[09:38] <highvoltage> xchat would be my second choice. I don't know about an aim IRC clien.
[09:38] <RichEd> at a first glance, aim does more than xchat no ? (aim is default install on my edubuntu, xchat is an option to fetch)
[09:38] <RichEd> aim looks like it has ICQ and other instant messenger stuff
[09:39] <ogra> yeah its an instant messenger ... 
[09:39] <Yagisan> I like gaim, but it needs more work for IRC
[09:39] <ogra> not really suited for irc imho
[09:39] <Yagisan> eg
[09:39] <crimsun> if you mean Gaim, yes, it handles multiple protocols. It's quite ... unintuitive for IRC, though.
[09:39] <Yagisan>  /kick doesn't seem to work
[09:39] <cbx33> crimsun: totally
[09:39] <ogra> haha
[09:39] <RichEd> highvoltage: pray extoll on the virtues of irssi ? (in a short concise sentence)
[09:39] <ogra> highvoltage, pong
[09:39] <crimsun> the UI is /horrible/
[09:39] <cbx33> morning ogra 
[09:40] <RichEd> i'm using xchat for win right now ... and i quite like it's style
[09:40] <cbx33> RichEd: xchat is probably the most intutive
[09:40] <cbx33> imho
[09:40] <Yagisan> but gaim does work on all protocols I need
[09:40] <ogra> ++
[09:41] <highvoltage> RichEd: the nicest thing about irssi is you can run it in screen
[09:41] <cbx33> highvoltage: true
[09:41] <RichEd> morning ogra ...
[09:41] <highvoltage> RichEd: so you don't have to exit your client when switching between kubuntu/xubuntu/ubuntu
[09:42] <highvoltage> you can also run it remotely, which is handy when irc ports are firewalled, or if you disconnect from the network a lot
[09:42] <cbx33> edubuntu....you missed it off the list :p
[09:42] <highvoltage> morning ogra
[09:42] <cbx33> brb
[09:42] <highvoltage> i actually meant kde/xfce/gnome :)
[09:42] <crimsun> I think the nicest thing about irssi running in screen is its proxy module so you can continue to use X-Chat to connect to your irssi proxy over an ssh tunnel without losing a step.
[09:42] <RichEd> highvoltage: do you mean switching "interface" as opposed to rebooting into alternate os
[09:42] <highvoltage> ogra: i have a bit of a radical idea for ltsp
[09:42] <highvoltage> ogra: but it's so crazy it just might work (apologies for flintism)
[09:43] <highvoltage> RichEd: switching interface
[09:43] <RichEd> okay ... may chat to you about the later ... i've gone the 3 boot option
[09:43] <RichEd> anyway will install xchat in edubuntu for now .. and get going quickly & easily in an interface i am familiar with ... and check out the irssi later
[09:43] <highvoltage> ogra: last night i was thinking about ways to make a diskless fat client better, and I thought that it might be completely redundant to have a seperate chroot for the clients
[09:44] <highvoltage> ogra: so i thought, it might be better to export / to the nfs clients, and then use a free runlevel (such as runlevel 7) to boot the clients from
[09:44] <ogra> indeed it is
[09:44] <ogra> nah
[09:44] <highvoltage> then, you solve a lot of problems
[09:45] <highvoltage> such as maintenance, and how to install software... even things like getting the session information and lagnuage packs are easier.
[09:45] <ogra> just add something to ltsp-client that makes it die if FAT_CLIENT is set ... so the booting goes on up to gdm
[09:45] <highvoltage> ogra: ah, even better!
[09:46] <highvoltage> ogra: but then I thought, is there then even a reason to have a think client chroot, because you could do the same for thin clients, but just run ldm instead of gdm?
[09:46] <highvoltage> s/think/thin
[09:46] <ogra> well, ldm isnt really written for local logins
[09:46] <highvoltage> so the /opt/ltsp directory could then be entirely dropped, and ltsp would then just become a few scripts.
[09:47] <highvoltage> ogra: i didn't mean for local logins, i menat for thin clients
[09:47] <ogra> oh, you want to export / instead of /opt/ltsp
[09:47] <highvoltage> (sorry for my typos, extremely lagged here)
[09:47] <highvoltage> ogra: yes. i understand that that could have its own problems too
[09:48] <ogra> yup
[09:48] <ogra> some majore ones, like security :)
[09:48] <highvoltage> that's what I thought too :(
[09:48] <highvoltage> but there must be a way to get around it.
[09:48] <ogra> hmm, no usplash on ppc live 
[09:49] <ogra> highvoltage, well i like the idea of having a distinct system thats tailored for the task 
[09:49] <ogra> the speedups i did wouldnt work in a real system for example
[09:49] <ogra> boot speedup i mean
[09:50] <highvoltage> for example?
[09:50] <ogra> the initscripts we dropped
[09:50] <highvoltage> you could do that with a new runlevel.
[09:50] <ogra> thats no option in a debian based system
[09:50] <highvoltage> aah
[09:50] <ogra> you dont touch the defaults here
[09:51] <highvoltage> i think i'll read some more debian policy tonight
[10:46] <RichEd> -> shower - 15 mins
[11:41] <RichEd> question posed by xchat channel: why make xchat-gnome default over xchat (via Synaptic search & install) ?
[11:44] <ogra> who does that ?
[11:45] <RichEd> ogra: not sure what you mean ?
[11:49] <ogra> who makes xchat-gnome default over xchat ? 
[11:50] <RichEd> i was using Xchat on XP ... after our chat this morning, i wanted to install on Edubuntu, so opened Synaptics, searched for xchat & installed what was listed
[11:50] <ogra> oh, you probably dont have universe enabled 
[11:50] <RichEd> how do i do that ?
[12:00] <ogra_> go into the add/remove applications tool from your menu 
[12:00] <ogra_> on the top right (at least in edgy) it has a selector
[12:00] <ogra_> select "all apps"
[12:00] <ogra_> then search for xchat
[12:01] <ogra_> RichEd, ^^^^^^^^^
[12:01] <cbx33> :D
[12:04] <RichEd> doing that now ...
[12:06] <RichEd> okay ... i need to select : show unsported applications and then i see: XChat IRC
[12:06] <ogra_> yep
[12:06] <ogra_> above xchat-gnome i think :)
[12:07] <RichEd> if i don't do that: i see"  XChat - GNOME IRC
[12:07] <RichEd> nope below !
[12:07] <ogra_> -gnome was moved to main, xchat was moved to universe, dont ask mwe why ...
[12:08] <ogra_> well, for me its above :)
[12:08] <RichEd> so if the average user is told : search for and install xchat ... they end up with Gnome version
[12:08] <ogra_> well, they end up with the version we support 
[12:09] <RichEd> (and then ask some misdirected interface questions in #xchat "why is this different to what I saw in XP yesterday") :)
[12:09] <ogra_> again, dont ask me why i'm a big opponent to xchat-gnome as well as i dont like the idea of abusing an IM client to do IRC
[12:09] <ogra_> but seb128 and the desktop team decided both of these ...
[12:09] <RichEd> but i know we can't support all, and GNMOE looks a bit simpler for the new user
[12:10] <ogra_> it lacks a lot of features
[12:10] <ogra_> and i (as many other people ) find the UI unusable 
[12:10] <RichEd> yep ... that is the sort of question i was asking in #xchat = no right click whois display
[12:11] <ogra> yup
[12:11] <RichEd> was also goping to ask about alternate nicks in settings ...
[12:11] <ogra> and you cant move the userlist to the other side for example 
[12:11] <ogra> i find that very disturbing
[12:11] <RichEd> you can't even show it ! unless you click on the button (transient window)
[12:11] <ogra> the topic ui is horrible 
[12:12] <ogra> either you cant read the topic or it eats all of your windowsize 
[12:12] <RichEd> ... okay will install XChat ... and make notes for later suggestions ... 
[12:12] <RichEd> tx.
[12:12] <ogra> i'd have goine for xchat in edubuntu ...
[12:12] <ogra> but not for xchat-gnome 
[12:13] <ogra> (we have some freedom what apps we select ;) )
[12:13] <ogra> going for xchat wiould have meant that we'd have to support the same app with different UI twice ... so that wasnt an option 
[12:16] <RichEd> i'll boot to Ubuntu just now & see if the install behavior is the same (and Kubuntu) ...
[12:18] <jsgotangco> hi
[12:18] <ogra> ubuntu is surely the same 
[12:18] <ogra> kubuntu will likely be different i'm not sure they even have a install/remove equivalent 
[12:19] <highvoltage> RichEd: do you reboot when you want another display environment?
[12:20] <RichEd> yes highvoltage : reasons as follows:
[12:20] <RichEd> (1) want to test all installs as they are released
[12:20] <highvoltage> ogra: are you on the k12osn mailing list? some misguided soul posted edubuntu feedback there :)
[12:20] <RichEd> (2) want to learn the exact differences
[12:20] <ogra> heh, no, i'm not :)
[12:20] <RichEd> (3) want to learn the similarities of the underlying installs
[12:20] <highvoltage> RichEd: if you don't mind running non-free software, you could also use vmware to install it, which is very time consuming
[12:21] <highvoltage> i mean, time saving :)
[12:21] <RichEd> and want to be able to demo to others as they would experience it
[12:21] <ogra> RichEd, apart from the desktop they are all identical
[12:21] <jsgotangco> RichEd: i think we're in business here
[12:21] <ogra> jsgotangco, YAY !
[12:21] <jsgotangco> ogra: i think you'll be coming here soon =)
[12:22] <jsgotangco> *by force*
[12:22] <RichEd> hundreds jsgotangco :)
[12:22] <ogra> and i think our knot 1 is ready to go ! (after three days and several nightshifts *sigh*)
[12:22] <jsgotangco> ogra: i actually had a successful install an hour ago for amd64
[12:22] <ogra> jsgotangco, hehe, cool, i'll come with pleasure :)
[12:22] <RichEd> highvoltage: i already noted your comments earlier, and JaneW explained some of this
[12:23] <RichEd> but i am a 1st principles sort of a person ... learn from the gound up without any shortcuts before i undertstand them fully
[12:23] <ogra> jsgotangco, me too ... i386 did make probs ... but i found out it simply doesn like the APIC of my turon CPU
[12:23] <ogra> *turion
[12:23] <jsgotangco> i think the baseline is successful installation after all its just a bunch of syncs
[12:23] <jsgotangco> right?
[12:23] <RichEd> so i will be ready for simplification & tips in a while ... and have planned my partitions so that i can change without losing any data
[12:25] <jsgotangco> there isn't much edgy features in knot-1 except a bunch of new apps
[12:25] <RichEd> [ i always used to get moaned at in school for deriving theoroms in an exam instaed of learning them as given in class ]  :)
[12:26] <RichEd> jsgotangco: send me an email update if you have a chance ... is this related to yesterdays chat ?
[12:27] <ogra> jsgotangco, yep, but there are things like only half written sources.list files etc ...
[12:27] <jsgotangco> RichEd: nope this is bigger, i just had this a few weeks ago, but only had the chance to had lunch with the head today
[12:27] <jsgotangco> RichEd: this is more tangible in a sense
[12:28] <jsgotangco> RichEd: because its led by the foundation of the biggest media network here
[12:28] <jsgotangco> im drafting an email later about it
[12:28] <ogra> thats the countrywide thing ? 
[12:28] <RichEd> well even better then :) results & a voice to sing about it !
[12:28] <jsgotangco> ogra: yeah
[12:28] <ogra> yay
[12:28] <jsgotangco> i will most likely work there
[12:28] <ogra> cool !
[12:29] <jsgotangco> ogra: http://www.abs-cbnfoundation.com/
[12:29] <jsgotangco> why is their site in IIS
[12:29] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:30] <ogra> "in the service of the filipino child" ... nice slogan :)
[12:31] <ogra> i wonder if the installer is clever enough to carry over the nolapic option to grub ...
[12:32] <jsgotangco> so if things push through, i'll be working on ubuntu/edubuntu but not hired directly by canonical heh
[12:32] <jsgotangco> full time
[12:32] <ogra> i never tried that
[12:32] <ogra> wow
[12:32] <jsgotangco> i tink that's a nice thought
[12:32] <jsgotangco> doing something like what guadalinex did
[12:32] <ogra> so if i every should get fired i know where to ask for a job as your helper :)
[12:33] <jsgotangco> this is a very influential foundation
[12:33] <ogra> s/every/ever/
[12:34] <jsgotangco> ogra: http://www.newsflash.org/2004/02/sb/sb003803.htm
[12:36] <jsgotangco> i knew from starters they need something happening when i saw her office PC running windows98
[12:38] <jsgotangco> ogra: she's into meditation and she saying that ubuntu is spiritually clean
[12:38] <ogra> the boss of linex is also a woman and her lkast name is lopez :)
[12:38] <jsgotangco> that was unexpected (ubuntu being spiritually clean)
[12:39] <jsgotangco> because her yoga teacher introduced her to ubuntu and sayign that this is "clean" because the people behind it have good intentions compared to what you are using "windows"
[12:40] <cbx33> ogra: did you say your script is updated now?
[12:40] <ogra> cbx33, no, and i wont ... simply because adding such an option is useless :) 
[12:40] <ogra> we dont have dapper daily CDs :)
[12:40] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[12:40] <ogra> there are always only the devel distro ones ... 
[12:40] <cbx33> :S
[12:40] <jsgotangco> if i use the script on an edgy iso, it'll rsycn to dapper?
[12:41] <ogra> nope
[12:41] <ogra> it defaults to edgy
[12:41] <cbx33> what were you saying the other day then about the new script?
[12:41] <cbx33> I'm confused?
[12:41] <ogra> in this regard its updated ... 
[12:41] <jsgotangco> i thought it just refers to the file name
[12:41] <cbx33> oh, did you mean to sync back to dapper?
[12:41] <ogra> but i didnt add an --distro option 
[12:41] <cbx33> no i didn't want that
[12:41] <cbx33> :p
[12:41] <ogra> because that'd be uesless :)
[12:41] <jsgotangco> becuase i used it and i was able to rsynch
[12:41] <ogra> yep
[12:42] <cbx33> but as long as it' updated I'll fix up my gui for it
[12:42] <jsgotangco> so it doesn't need an update :P
[12:42] <jsgotangco> because it works as is
[12:42] <ogra> it was updated :)
[12:42] <jsgotangco> when?
[12:42] <ogra> a week ago or so 
[12:42] <jsgotangco> ahh
[12:42] <jsgotangco> im safe then
[12:42] <cbx33> :p
[12:43] <jsgotangco> well going back
[12:43] <jsgotangco> talking about ubuntu being spiritually clean was a bit weird though
[12:43] <ogra> anyway, since its really dumb it only rsyncs what it finds under http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/
[12:43] <jsgotangco> yeah that's what i thought
[12:43] <ogra> and there is no distro name in that url :)
[12:44] <ogra> but it assembles the iso names from the distro name ... so i had to adjust that
[12:44] <cbx33> yes
[12:44] <cbx33> I know :p
[12:44] <jsgotangco> but if you already have an existing iso, it doesn't need an adjustment
[12:44] <ogra> well, it does
[12:45] <jsgotangco> but you cannot use it to update a dapper iso to edgy
[12:45] <jsgotangco> can you?
[12:45] <ogra> edgy-install-amd64.iso
[12:45] <ogra> there is edgy in it :)
[12:45] <jsgotangco> because what i did was download edgy first, then rsync it using the script from the dailies
[12:45] <ogra> it rsyncs $distro-$flavor-$arch.iso
[12:47] <ogra> i copied the dapper isos and rsynced on top of that ...
[12:47] <ogra> didnt really give any advantage :)
[12:49] <jsgotangco> heh
[12:50] <jsgotangco> what's the chance that this build is knot-1
[12:50] <jsgotangco> high?
[12:50] <jsgotangco> because it iinstalls fine
[12:50] <ogra> look into your source.list :)
[12:51] <ogra> we'll have another (last) build
[12:51] <RichEd> jsgotangco: re the spiritual thing ... lovely comment ... that is the sort of thing we can use as a "real user quote" ...
[12:52] <RichEd> fits with the whole ubuntu meaning ...
[12:52] <jsgotangco> i didnt think of it at all when she said that
[12:52] <jsgotangco> so it was kind of interesting
[12:52] <jsgotangco> RichEd: im writing an introductory email later
[12:52] <jsgotangco> as we have discussed
[12:53] <RichEd> i'll make a note of it ... we can sure use that in the press ... once we have "cleansed her" and are ready to talk about success 
[12:53] <RichEd> jsgotangco: tx
[12:54] <jsgotangco> "proprietary os cleansing" lol
[12:54] <jsgotangco> RichEd: have you seen the link i gave to ogra?
[12:55] <jsgotangco> RichEd: : http://www.newsflash.org/2004/02/sb/sb003803.htm
[12:57] <RichEd> purge baby purge ... we'll also offer exorcisms for particulary difficult embedded systems  :)
[12:57] <cbx33> is the convention desktop and alternative now?
[12:57] <cbx33> instead of live and install?
[12:57] <jsgotangco> yes
[12:57] <jsgotangco> since dapper
[12:58] <RichEd> jsgotangco: opening link while i load up a coffee ...
[12:58] <cbx33> I don;t actually think I need to do anything
[12:58] <cbx33> anyone in the mood to try out grasynco?
[12:58] <cbx33> the gui to rsyncer.sh ?
[01:01] <cbx33> branch at http://www.progbox.co.uk/grasynco
[01:01] <cbx33> shuold be uptodate
[01:01] <cbx33> but it is still beta
[01:01] <cbx33> I will not be held responsible if it breaks your isos
[01:01] <cbx33> :p
[01:02] <cbx33> actually.....
[01:02] <cbx33> I want to make one more revision
[01:02] <cbx33> then it'll be almost perfect :p
[01:11] <jsgotangco> it shall be known as the great grasynco
[01:11] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:11] <jsgotangco> sound like an italian job
[01:11] <cbx33> heheh
[01:11] <cbx33> yup
[01:11] <cbx33> it works fine it you already have isos there
[01:11] <cbx33> just need to do the create bit
[01:11] <cbx33> which is easy
[01:11] <cbx33> is themeeting this lunch or is it tonight?
[01:12] <ogra> tonight
[01:12] <cbx33> I'll be there
[01:12] <cbx33> so will AliasVegas :p
[01:12] <cbx33> we were discussing artwork yesterday
[01:13] <ogra> thats good
[01:13] <ogra> we need to get something going ...
[01:13] <ogra> time gets shorter
[01:13] <jsgotangco> sorry i wont be able to attend (4am) but RichEd knows what i have been doing lately
[01:13] <jsgotangco> (not doc-wise though)
[01:14] <cbx33> i know 
[01:14] <RichEd> is that the meeting for the morning tomorrow i.e. in 15.5 hours ?
[01:14] <ogra> nope
[01:14] <ogra> the edubuntu meeting
[01:15] <ogra> see fridge.ubuntu.com/event
[01:16] <jsgotangco> dinner brb
[01:21] <cbx33> apple next
[01:22] <jsgotangco> yay
[01:22] <ogra_> Knot 1 --> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/20060719/
[01:24] <rodarvus> ogra_: so Edubuntu Knot 1 is officially a completed milestone?
[01:24] <ogra_> not yet ...
[01:24] <ogra_> but that iso will be it
[01:24] <ogra_> we will make an official milestone release later today
[01:25] <rodarvus> good
[01:25] <ogra_> the current rebuild of the isos needs testig before we can release it ...
[01:26] <ogra_> but since its only a fix in the sources.list we rebuilt it for i dont expect any regressions 
[01:26] <rodarvus> do you know how ubuntu and kubuntu are progressing?
[01:27] <ogra_> same speed 
[01:27] <rodarvus> ubiquity is sorted, then?
[01:27] <ogra_> i started off earlier with testing to get the ltsp pieces sorted ... but they have taken up
[01:27] <ogra_> well, roughly ...
[01:28] <ogra_> its the first *alpha* release ... i wouldnt expect it to work really flawless 
[01:29] <highvoltage> ogra: anything noteworthy in knot1?
[01:29] <jsgotangco> it installs fine!
[01:29] <ogra_> highvoltage, apart from new software versions ? 
[01:29] <ogra_> not really
[01:30] <jsgotangco> when you install knot-1 is like installing debian sid heh
[01:30] <ogra_> development just starts ... so the breakage and new features are still ahead of us
[01:30] <jsgotangco> just lots of sync
[01:31] <ogra_> heh
[01:31] <jsgotangco> its the most unnatural IRC client for sure
[01:34] <ogra_> highvoltage, WOW, that mail to the k12 list is impressing !
[01:38] <jsgotangco> link?
[01:39] <ogra_> https://www.redhat.com/archives/k12osn/2006-July/msg00279.html
[01:40] <jsgotangco> nice
[01:40] <ogra_> yep
[01:40] <ogra_> usually they dont have so much friendly words about us ... seems that changes :)
[01:47] <highvoltage> ogra_: yeah, everyone loves Edubuntu :)
[01:47] <ogra_> highvoltage, well, flint said different things after he met the k12 guys
[01:48] <ogra_> and i tend to admin that dapper isnt ready to compete with them in terms of dhcp config stuff and local devices ... 
[01:48] <ogra_> but edgy will get us there 
[01:49] <ogra_> i'm really looking forward to edgy+1 already ... where al the standards are finally done and we can start playing with the instresting extra features nobody else has :)
[01:49] <ogra_> and where we have full 6 months again ...
[01:50] <jsgotangco> yeah we're suppose to have fun on this cycle
[01:50] <ogra_> well, we were supposed to have fun in edgy already ...
[01:51] <ogra_> but shortening the development to 4 moths somehow avoids that ...
[01:51] <jsgotangco> i had fun a few kernels ago
[01:51] <ogra_> *months too
[01:52] <ogra_> at least we have some time until feature freeze now ...
[01:59] <cbx33> ogra does rsyncer support xubuntu ?
[02:00] <jsgotangco> no
[02:00] <jsgotangco> you have to edit that
[02:00] <cbx33> ogra it seems as if your script integrates fine with grasynco with no modifications
[02:09] <cbx33> is anyone else concerned about the amount of spam coming through on edubutnu-devel
[02:11] <jsgotangco> that's nothing compared to ubuntu-doc or ubuntu-users ;)
[02:11] <cbx33> :S
[02:12] <jsgotangco> i delete like a hundred a day
[02:12] <cbx33> from the list or moderation?
[02:26] <jsgotangco> moderation
[02:26] <jsgotangco> if it goes to the list something is wrong
[02:26] <jsgotangco> with the filtering
[02:26] <ogra_> nope
[02:26] <ogra_> the gay (or bot or whatever) is subscribed properly ...
[02:26] <ogra_> *guy
[02:26] <ogra_> so he can send his spam and the filter wnt care
[02:27] <jsgotangco> well yeah with that exception
[02:28] <ogra_> well, its actually *one* spam thats gone thrugh ....
[02:28] <ogra_> could be worse :)
[02:30] <ogra_> hmm, its not even gotten through it seems ...
[02:32] <ogra_> cbx33, you are admin of the ML, thats why you see it as it would have been posted to the ML
[02:32] <ogra_> its not actually gone through ...
[02:55] <jsgotangco> oh yeah
[02:55] <jsgotangco> there's a private admin list
[03:02] <highvoltage> ogra_: sometimes you have to take what flint says with a pinch of salt, it seems :)
[03:03] <ogra_> sure, i know that
[03:03] <ogra_> but he was so extremely disappointed
[03:06] <highvoltage> the one guy I work with, Hilton, is also like that. when he's extremely happy or extremely unhappy or extremely anything, I have trouble taking him seriously, because he has these moods where he jumps from one mood to the other. I think flint is very much the same. They're both great guys, they just have their own weird personality issues.
[03:06] <highvoltage> I've used K12LTSP for two years in many schools before Ubuntu, and even before Edubuntu was around, K12LTSP pales in comparison, imho.
[03:07] <ogra_> even i met him in person :)
[03:07] <highvoltage> I'd only accept the contrary from someone who has actually used both systems in production environments.
[03:07] <highvoltage> ogra_: lol!
[03:10] <RichEd> ogra_: ping regarding K12LTSP
[03:11] <ogra_> RichEd, pongedipong
[03:14] <jsgotangco> hahhaa
[03:15] <highvoltage> iPong, that's apple, right?
[03:38] <ogra_> RichEd, argh ... damned ... 
[03:38] <ogra_> you didnt see my PM i guess 
[03:42] <jsgotangco> RichEd: do you mind adding Mark on CC or should I not?
[03:44] <RichEd> lets keep it simple for now, and i will escalate or CC if needed ...
[03:44] <RichEd> if I send anthing to mark, I will be sure to CC you (you are the owner)
[03:45] <jsgotangco> ok
[03:45] <RichEd> and would prefer to free up mark's bandwidth for when we need actually need it
[03:46] <jsgotangco> sent
[03:46] <jsgotangco> ok
[03:46] <jsgotangco> you da man!
[03:47] <highvoltage> http://www.flickr.com/photos/vincentmaher/184386385/in/photostream
[03:47] <highvoltage> egh. sorry wrong channel.
[03:49] <jsgotangco> Mr. Burger will be raped?
[03:52] <highvoltage> burger is afrikaans for 'citizen'
[03:53] <jsgotangco> ahh citizen Corey
[03:53] <highvoltage> heh, yes.
[03:53] <jsgotangco> highvoltage: how are you doing
[03:54] <highvoltage> i'm being productive this week, so I'm happy.
[03:54] <highvoltage> i get frustrated when i have lots of work and don't get a chance to do it, as it's been the few weeks before
[03:55] <highvoltage> we had lots of meetings and planning, which is important and I enjoy in small amounts, but when work gets behind my stress levels tend to inrease.
[03:55] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: how are things your side?
[03:58] <jsgotangco> pretty good, there's a good chance i'll work in a foundation and do edubuntu/ubuntu full time
[04:00] <highvoltage> very nice.
[04:00] <highvoltage> i think everybody should work for a foundation or a non-profit at least once in their lives.
[04:04] <jsgotangco> well this isn't a technology foundation for starters but leading a project can be interesting
[04:04] <jsgotangco> i've been working with richard on some possible projects
[04:07] <highvoltage> nice
[04:19] <cbx33> jsgotangco: good on you
[04:19] <cbx33> that would be cool
[04:19] <cbx33> you'd be one of the lucky ones
[04:20] <jsgotangco> its a project that could make or break a country
[04:22] <cbx33> wow
[04:22] <cbx33> well if you need any other full timers :p
[04:22] <cbx33> who could stay in their own country :p
[04:22] <cbx33> and work from home
[04:22] <cbx33> heheheh
[04:22] <cbx33> right I'm over and out guys
[04:23] <cbx33> i'll see you all later on
[05:36] <mhz> neurogeek: hi there!
[05:36] <mhz> neurogeek: how's biz
[05:52] <RichEd|busy> see you guys later in the meeting
[06:25] <jsgotangco> goodnight
[06:25] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco 
[06:25] <LaserJock> bye jsgotangco 
[06:25] <mhz> nn, jsgotangco 
[06:26] <mhz> Anyone here with 'teaching' experience?
[06:27] <LaserJock> that's kind of a vague question :-)
[06:27] <mhz> LaserJock: yeah..
[06:27] <mhz> Has anyone here worked as a 'teacher' in School or University or any other institution?
[06:28] <LaserJock> I've been a TA for university chemistry classes, but that's it
[06:28] <mhz> Has anyone here ever had to prepare class material, design study programs/syllabus, etc?
[06:28] <mhz> LaserJock: hm what does TA stand for?
[06:29] <LaserJock> Teaching Assistant
[06:29] <mhz> ooh, i see
[06:29] <LaserJock> not a lot of designing, etc.
[06:29] <LaserJock> I did have to do a fair amount of grading and had my own syllabus
[06:30] <LaserJock> but you are probably better off finding a "real" teacher
[06:30] <mhz> hm, interesting, hehehe
[06:30] <dan_young> mhz: I've got a BA in education and did student teaching before turning geek...
[06:30] <mhz> LaserJock: well, I have worked as teacher for about 3 years.
[06:31] <mhz> LaserJock: dan_young, the thing is this would my 3rd attempt to start working in Edubuntu-Study-Content idea
[06:31] <mhz> and I was analizing exelearning or Edubuntu-Study-Content idea.
[06:32] <dan_young> mhz: I did enough lesson planning in college to know how labor-intensive it is
[06:33] <mhz> so, if more people with teaching experience could take a look at exelearning, maybe I could be told... ESC is not a as good as exelearning
[06:33] <mhz> dan_young: indeed
[06:33] <mhz> dan_young: that is why I have so much interest in ESC and exelearning
[06:35] <mhz> teachers do need lot of help
[06:35] <mhz> esp,in material creation and lesson planning
[07:17] <LaserJock> \o/
[07:21] <Petaris> Hi LaserJock 
[07:21] <ogra_> LaserJock, ?
[07:22] <ogra_> tell us about the reason for the party :)
[07:22] <highvoltage> yeah!
[07:22] <LaserJock> ogra_> Kamion, Mithrandir, edubuntu is good to go ...
[07:22] <ogra_> ah, yeah :)
[07:22] <ogra_> indeed 
[07:22] <ogra_> did you ever doubt that ? ;)
[07:22] <LaserJock> no
[07:22] <ogra_> *g*
[07:22] <ogra_> i did
[07:22] <LaserJock> I can't doubt the magnificent ogra
[07:23] <ogra_> but finally we have something t play with :)
[07:23] <LaserJock> you guys read eweek stuff?
[07:24] <ogra_> nope
[07:24] <LaserJock> hmm, they mentioned the packaging guide I did in their review of Dapper. jerome was really excited about it
[07:25] <ogra_> cool !!
[07:25] <ogra_> indeed thats something to be excited about 
[07:25] <LaserJock> "We were impressed to find included among the very good documentation that ships with Ubuntu a software packaging guide."
[07:25] <highvoltage> LaserJock: ooh!
[07:25] <highvoltage> LaserJock: well done
[07:25] <ogra_> yeah !
[07:26] <LaserJock> well, it wasn't all me that's for sure
[07:26] <ogra_> well, you made it happen ... 
[07:26] <highvoltage> I don't think it would've happened without you
[07:26] <LaserJock> but it is cool to see that people outside MOTU see it as valuable
[07:26] <ogra_> no matter if you wrote every word
[07:26] <ogra_> brb reboot
[07:27] <LaserJock> I'm hoping it sort of becomes a mark of how excited Ubuntu is for the community to participate in their distro
[07:27] <mhz> LaserJock: \o/ \o/ \o/
[07:28] <highvoltage> LaserJock: what do you mean?
[07:28] <LaserJock> well, I believe that one of Ubuntu's primary strengths is it's ability to turn users into contributors
[07:28] <LaserJock> we build a true community around the distro
[07:28] <highvoltage> ok
[07:29] <LaserJock> and I think that having an easy to use guide that is designed specifically for getting people from knowing nothing about packaging
[07:30] <LaserJock> to becoming MOTUs and contributors is somewhat of a distinguishing thing for us
[07:30] <LaserJock> it's got a long ways to go yet
[07:30] <LaserJock> but I've been please so far with the feedback I've gotten from people
[07:31] <LaserJock> I got this guy the other day who hadn't even installed Ubuntu yet, didn't know what ./configure was but has a love for Linux and wants to help out
[07:31] <LaserJock> and now he is on his way to making Ubuntu *his* distro
[07:31] <LaserJock> absolutely exiting
[07:32] <LaserJock> </day dream>
[07:34] <LaserJock> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1990777,00.asp is the URL for the article, btw. the PG is on page 3 ;-)
[07:38] <Petaris> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ActiveDirectoryIntegration?highlight=%28directory%29%7C%28active%29  <--- Is this what ajmitch is working on?
[07:42] <Petaris> hrm, this looks interesting too: http://sadms.sourceforge.net/
[07:46] <ogra> Petaris, nope thats older ... ajmich is working on NetworkAuthentication
[07:47] <Petaris> In the wiki right?
[07:47] <ogra> no idea
[07:47] <ogra> in the spec tracker in any case
[07:48] <Petaris> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/NetworkAuthentication?highlight=%28NetworkAuthentication%29
[08:02] <cbx33> hiya all
[08:02] <cbx33> hi LaserJock 
[08:06] <LaserJock> hi cbx33 
[08:06] <Petaris> Hi cbx33 
[08:06] <cbx33> hi Petaris 
[08:13] <crimsun> ogra: RE: ehci/ohci: yes, it's possible the drive is buggy/went bad (I've had those symptoms, too, until I switched optical drives)
[08:25] <ogra> crimsun, well *went bad
[08:25] <ogra> * would imply it worked before
[08:25] <ogra> but it doesnt work with 2.6.15 either
[08:26] <crimsun> hmm, long shot, but with breezy's 2.6.12?
[08:26] <ogra> hmm, i dont have a 2.6.12 around atm ...
[08:27] <ogra> i'll try if i'm in the other house 
[08:27] <ogra> (i'm moving and have only my two lappies here)
[08:27] <crimsun> ok, because those symptoms sound eerily similar to my experience with a junk OEM optical drive
[08:28] <ogra> its a HD and i've already heard that there are probs with the HP pavillon ze2000 usb stack ...
[08:28] <ogra> so i doubtits buggy hw
[08:29] <crimsun> (err, so not buggy external HD)
[08:29] <ogra> oh, and that HD works everywhere else in full speed 
[08:29] <ogra> its only this laptop
[08:56] <cbx33> ogra, grasynco is uploaded to REVU
[08:57] <ogra> hey, great !
[08:58] <cbx33> still some work to do
[09:00] <ogra> "icons created by Jeff Waugh" 
[09:00] <ogra> LOOOL
[09:00] <cbx33> blame sistpoty
[09:00] <cbx33> :p
[09:01] <cbx33> sistpoty told me that saying they were created by canonical wasn't enough
[09:01] <mhz> ogra: got another KB because you spilled on the older one?
[09:01] <cbx33> mhz, "nearly"
[09:01] <ogra> mhz, got another laptop because the crappy acre gave up
[09:01] <mhz> hehehe, nice
[09:01] <ogra> *acer
[09:01] <cbx33> ogra, how dead is it?
[09:01] <mhz> ogra: ibook and anothter?
[09:01] <ogra> no idea yet
[09:02] <ogra> i'll have to investigate if i'm done with moving
[09:02] <cbx33> ah yes how's that going
[09:02] <mhz> ogra moving??
[09:02] <mhz> gee!
[09:02] <ogra> either the power supply is broken (all my measuring tools are packaged in boxes) or the power management electronics are dead ...
[09:03] <ogra> it doesnt get any power ...
[09:03] <ogra> but the power supply LED is on ...
[09:03] <ogra> (on the power supply)
[09:04] <cbx33> ah 
[09:04] <mhz> hmmm, I got a similar problem witha powerbook. Bu ti was told that it was either a MotherBoard issue or a Processor one  :(
[09:04] <ogra> mhz, i'm moving since more than a month already :)
[09:04] <mhz> lol
[09:04] <selmys> sorry to butt in but I just installed edubuntu 6.06 onto a 4-way P2 xeon and the kernel only sees one CPU. Is there an SMP kernel available yet?
[09:04] <mhz> caracoal moving
[09:04] <ogra> selmys, sure
[09:04] <mhz> sorry, that was latin
[09:04] <ogra> selmys, look in synaptic
[09:04] <ogra> the kernels all start with "linux-image"
[09:05] <selmys> Thanks I'll try it now.
[09:12] <selmys> ok I found it ... thanks again.
[09:13] <ogra> youre welcome :)
[09:16] <cbx33> meeting in 45 mins yeh?
[09:16] <ogra> yep
[09:22] <cbx33> ogra, remember the discussion we had about gconf priority files
[09:23] <cbx33> well if you have already chosen a theme that isn't the default theme, then installing edubuntu artwork won't change that will it?
[09:24] <ogra> if your user settings differ from the default they wont be touched
[09:24] <ogra> user overrides system is the principle
[09:24] <cbx33> ok
[09:35] <ogra> cbx33, is the rsyncer.sh script supposed to get installed anywhere from the grasyco package ? 
[09:35] <cbx33> yes 
[09:35] <cbx33> is it not
[09:35] <ogra> nope
[09:35] <cbx33> darn
[09:35] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~/packages$ dpkg -c /var/cache/pbuilder/result/grasynco_1.0.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb|grep rsync
[09:35] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~/packages$
[09:36] <cbx33> its in the source
[09:37] <cbx33> ok uploaded latest version to REVU
[09:37] <cbx33> sorry ogra was being rushed out the door as I finished that package
[09:37] <cbx33> I should have spotted that one
[09:37] <ogra> nah
[09:38] <ogra> that happens ... even to me often enough :)
[09:38] <cbx33> I know it's not that impressive, grasynco i mean, but it works
[09:38] <cbx33> well here at least
[09:38] <cbx33> thanks for beta testing
[09:39] <ogra> well, now is the best time to do that :)
[09:40] <cbx33> swat i thought
[09:40] <cbx33> please copy your isos first
[09:40] <cbx33> :p
[09:40] <cbx33> I don;t want you to have to redownload the mall again
[09:40] <cbx33> download the mall, what am I on about :p
[09:40] <cbx33> it's pre meeting excitement
[09:43] <mhz> meeting in 18 minutes?
[09:43] <cbx33> yup
[09:43] <mhz> cool!
[09:44] <mhz> cbx33: on #ubuntu-meeting, not here, right?
[09:44] <cbx33> yes
[09:44] <mhz> thx
[09:44] <cbx33> #ubuntu-meeting
[09:44] <LaserJock> ack, I better grab some food then
[09:44] <mhz> :(
[09:47] <ogra> ************ REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~13 minutes **********
[09:51] <ogra> ************ REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~9 minutes **********
[09:51] <cbx33> why do you have to be difficult :p
[09:52] <cbx33> 9, 13
[09:52] <cbx33> what happened to 15
[09:52] <cbx33> and 10
[09:52] <cbx33> :p
[09:52] <LaserJock> he missed
[09:53] <HedgeMage> Wow, this means I'll be on time for once... 
[09:53] <HedgeMage> thanks, ogra, you ruined my perfect record ;)
[09:53] <ogra> heh
[09:53] <ogra> cbx33, odd numbers are more funny :)
[09:54] <cbx33> do th fibonnaci
[09:54] <cbx33> sequence
[09:54] <ogra> not really ... the ogra sit down and look at the screen sequence while doing pre meeting stuff ;)
[09:54] <ogra> how about
[09:54] <ogra> ************ REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~6 minutes **********
[09:55] <ogra> :)
[09:55] <neurogeek> mhz, hello how are you? how is everything?
[09:56] <mhz> neurogeek: tired, exhausted, frustrated...but with energy to re-invent myself once more
[09:57] <ogra> ************ REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~3 minutes **********
[09:58] <neurogeek> mhz, men.. is everything that hard? what about your plans?
[09:58] <neurogeek> can i help you with anything?
[09:58] <mhz> neurogeek: puaj! long story, sad story, I lost many things, even my Edubuntu Lab :(
[09:59] <cbx33> mhz, what happened?
[09:59] <ogra> ************ REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in ~1 minute **********
[09:59] <ogra> :P
[09:59] <LaserJock> oh for goodness sakes
[09:59] <jryer> Does anyone know why my USB flash devices are no longer recognized by ubuntu? They worked fine yesterday but after upgrading, I plug them in and nothing happens.
[10:00] <ogra> ************ REMINDER Edubuntu Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting starts NOW **********
[10:00] <mhz> cbx33: neurogeek: thx for the interest on knowing but I'd prefer to tell you after the meeting :)
[10:01] <cbx33> sure
[10:01] <neurogeek> mhz ok
[10:18] <LaserJock> argh, it appears 27 tabs is just too much for firefox to take
[10:18] <cbx33> 27
[10:18] <cbx33> *bah*
[10:18] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: I've done more than that without problems
[10:20] <LaserJock> well, the other factor is that it's on OS X
[11:15] <highvoltage> goodnight everyone!
[11:15] <LaserJock> that was a bit active
[11:15] <jryer> ciaops
[11:15] <LaserJock> highvoltage: good night highvoltage, say goodnight to the laptop too
[11:16] <highvoltage> it was quite.
[11:16] <highvoltage> LaserJock: will do :)
[11:16] <highvoltage> i was a bit loud mouth in that meeting, but edubuntu is quite exciting.
[11:16] <LaserJock> highvoltage: dream of Subway
[11:16] <mhz> re
[11:16] <highvoltage> LaserJock: I'll dream of a subway with cheese!
[11:16] <LaserJock> ooooh yeah
[11:17] <cbx33> LaserJock, stop dreaming
[11:17] <cbx33> start melting things with those scary lasers
[11:18] <LaserJock> I'm working on it, have a meeting in ~ 1 hr
[11:18] <HedgeMage> lol
[11:18] <LaserJock> but while the laser is humming I'm trying to figure out how easy it would be to put Ubuntu on this iMac
[11:20] <LaserJock> there seems to be lots of interesting hackish things, but nothing that makes me feel comfortable
[11:20] <cbx33> right I'm off for a while, winding down for the night
[11:21] <cbx33> ogra, once you've testing grasynco would you be able to advocate it?
[11:21] <RichEd> mhz: ping
[11:21] <cbx33> actually
[11:21] <cbx33> bbl
[11:21] <AliasVegas> night guys! :)
[11:22] <LaserJock> cya
[11:23] <LaserJock> poor girl, she has to put up with Pete 24x7 ;-)
[11:23] <ogra> lol
[11:24] <ogra> that was mean :)
[11:24] <LaserJock> yes
[11:24] <LaserJock> it was
[11:24] <LaserJock> in the most loving sort of way :-)
[11:24] <ogra> :)
[11:25] <cbx33> oi
[11:25] <cbx33> :(
[11:25] <LaserJock> doh, he's still around :-)
[11:25] <crimsun> don't worry, LaserJock's wife has to put up with him.
[11:25] <cbx33> didn't think I'd miss one like that did ya :p
[11:25] <cbx33> haha
[11:26] <cbx33> thanks crimsun 
[11:26] <crimsun> np.
[11:26] <LaserJock> crimsun: but I'm smart enough to not let her get on these channels ;-)
[11:26] <crimsun> LaserJock: oppression only lasts for a while.
[11:26] <cbx33> your hiding place eh LaserJock ?
[11:26] <crimsun> when she wisens up, you're done for!
[11:26] <LaserJock> doh
[11:27] <cbx33> I've made an ally of my wife.....you wait till she see s what she's been missing out on
[11:27] <ogra> crimsun, is that the reason why you are in so many channels ?
[11:27] <LaserJock> LOL
[11:28] <cbx33> right guys I'm off to get a cool drink
[11:28] <cbx33> no comments LaserJock 
[11:28] <cbx33> I will be watching 
[11:28] <crimsun> ogra: not quite ;-)
[11:28] <mhz> RichEd: pong
[11:28] <mhz> re
[11:29] <ogra> :)
[11:29] <RichEd> mhz: <mhz> sure, RichEd. In fact, I sent about 5 emails to Mark telling what is going on, and that we needed help ... no response <- forward these on to me please
[11:30] <RichEd> don't worry to tidy or anything just bang them of a is ... to give me a heads up ...
[11:30] <RichEd> off as is <-
[11:30] <RichEd> then send me you current thoughts / status of where to go from here
[11:30] <Burgwork> RichEd, are you working for the foundation or canonical?
[11:31] <RichEd> your <- you
[11:31] <pygi> HedgeMage: !!!
[11:31] <RichEd> Burgwork: Canonical
[11:31] <HedgeMage> hey pygi 
[11:31] <mhz> RichEd: okis, thx for making my life easier
[11:31] <HedgeMage> pygi: meeting friday at 21:30 UTC
[11:32] <RichEd> sidebar for those who don't know it yet ... I am also "Mr JaneW" :)
[11:32] <mhz> LOL
[11:32] <ogra> heh
[11:32] <LaserJock> RichEd: I thought she was Mrs. RichEd ;-)
[11:32] <RichEd> so have been with you all in spirit for a while ... now formally part of the team
[11:33] <Burgwork> RichEd, excellent. What are you doing for canonical?
[11:33] <mhz> RichEd: so you got a tattoo too?
[11:33] <HedgeMage> RichEd: in that case you must be cool :P
[11:33] <ogra> Burgwork, if you would attend the meetings, you'd know :P
[11:33] <RichEd> sure mhz : i had to hold Mrs RichEd's hand while she got done
[11:34] <RichEd> Burgwork:  "Education Programme Manager" to be client & relationship facing
[11:34] <Burgwork> ogra, some of us actually work
[11:34] <mhz> RichEd: however, my main concern is to encourage LAm people to start contributing actively instead of staying like end-users only. And the difficult part so far has been motivating teachers to jump in
[11:34] <Burgwork> RichEd, ah, cool
[11:34] <Burgwork> ogra, ;)
[11:34] <pygi> HedgeMage: hey, yes I saw that
[11:35] <pygi> I am not sure I'd be able to attend once again
[11:35] <ogra> Burgwork, ;)
[11:35] <crimsun> mhz: what sort of [free]  workshops have you guys/gals held for said teachers?
[11:35] <HedgeMage> pygi: How've you been? I never see you any more?
[11:35] <RichEd> mhz: i do understand the where the teachers are coming from though ...
[11:35] <mhz> RichEd: but with all due respect, the one on JaneW looks sexy
[11:35] <RichEd> underpaid, overworked, have to teach kids who know more about tech gadgets that they do
[11:36] <RichEd> have to take more training themselves, look after school sports ...
[11:36] <RichEd> and fetch their own kids from school
[11:36] <RichEd> etc.
[11:36] <pygi> HedgeMage: I've been on a trip lately, haunting my hosting provider people, and stuff instead of contributing
[11:36] <RichEd> which is why we need to create compelling human factors
[11:37] <HedgeMage> pygi: ahh fun fun :)
[11:37] <mhz> RichEd: hmm, simply put, Edubuntu needs teachers (lab people). Teachers can help us build a community with edu contents.
[11:37] <crimsun> teaching is a 24/7 job. We literally get NO break.
[11:37] <RichEd> give me a sec to type something neatly, and i will paste a good analagy
[11:37] <pygi> HedgeMage: I so hate hosting providers, why cant I just use my own servers for my needs? :P
[11:37] <RichEd> (from the business world)
[11:37] <RichEd> brb ... 2 mins
[11:37] <mhz> cbx33: can you rephrase., please. I did not quite understand
[11:38] <mhz> crimsun: you are a techer too?
[11:38] <crimsun> mhz: yes.
[11:38] <ogra> pygi, use server housing with a machine you own ... not a vserver :)
[11:39] <pygi> ogra: eh :)
[11:39] <mhz> crimsun: have you seen my idea of Edubuntu-Study-Content? I have trouble in my head picturing if such idea is good enough to work on. Or I should just start promoting a similar idea via Exelarning
[11:39] <crimsun> let's put it this way. Teachers don't have free weekends or nights, unlike some mobile calling plans ;-)
[11:39] <mhz> lol
[11:39] <mhz> indeed
[11:39] <mhz> 24/7
[11:40] <crimsun> mhz: I'm not familiar; would you link me, please?
[11:40] <mhz> sure
[11:40] <mhz> about the 2 things?
[11:40] <crimsun> E-S-C and Exelarning
[11:41] <pygi> HedgeMage: poke? :P
[11:41] <HedgeMage> pygi: because then you'd need lots of expensive bandwidth
[11:41] <HedgeMage> that's why I don't do it anyhow
[11:42] <mhz> crimsun: https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-study-content  |  https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuStudyContent
[11:43] <pygi> HedgeMage: right, but this way I cant host what I want :P
[11:43] <pygi> Anyway, what are we upto with this meeting?
[11:43] <crimsun> mhz: thanks
[11:43] <RichEd> mhz: see pvt window for paste flood ...
[11:44] <mhz> yeah, reading it
[11:49] <HedgeMage> pygi: true :)
[11:49] <HedgeMage> pygi: things are just going slow so since the last meeting fell apart when I got stuck on the army base I thought we'd try another round to make sure we're all on the same page... should be fairly quick.
[11:50] <HedgeMage> pygi: scheduled it for after the docteam meeting so if they have anything that effects us it can get mentioned
[11:50] <HedgeMage> that's about it
[11:50] <cbx33> mhz, what did you not understand?
[11:50] <Petaris> my scroll wheel is not working as expected in edubuntu
[11:51] <pygi> HedgeMage: oki, thanks
[11:51] <HedgeMage> np
[11:51] <Petaris> a look at the xorg.conf file shows what seems to be the correct settings though
[11:51] <mhz> cbx33: your question
[11:51] <LaserJock> HedgeMage and pygi: it would be cool if you came to the doc team meeting
[11:52] <cbx33> which question?
[11:52] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: planning to.
[11:52] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: that's why I waited to schedule the EH one
[11:52] <pygi> LaserJock: when would that be if I may ask?
[11:52] <mhz> crimsun: http://www.exelearning.org/?q=about  |  http://www.exelearning.org/?q=screenshots
[11:54] <LaserJock> pygi: Friday 19:00 UTC, I believe. I'm thinking it will be in #ubuntu-doc since there is another meeting scheduled in #ubuntu-meeting at that time
[11:55] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: yes, it conflicts with the marketing meeting
[11:55] <mhz> crimsun: exelearning will give you Moodle and SCORM content
[11:55] <crimsun> mm, moodle.
[11:56] <crimsun> I remember that bugfix-from-hell
[11:56] <pygi> LaserJock: hm,oki
[11:56] <pygi> LaserJock: I am afraid that all I can promise atm is that I will try to attend 
[11:57] <LaserJock> that's all I can ever do ;-)
[11:57] <LaserJock> but this will be the doc team's Edgy planning meeting so it would be good to have somebody from the handbook team there
[11:58] <pygi> LaserJock: as I said, I'll try
[11:58] <pygi> and Susan will be there also probably
[12:03] <HedgeMage> LaserJock: Unless the Army steals me again, I'll be there.
[12:03] <LaserJock> heh
[12:10] <pygi> HedgeMage: #banyantree just for a sec pls :)