| Tonio_ | RichJ: just reading at the log, you are of course already forgiven :) | 12:09 |
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| Tonio_ | raphink: at least the uploads have been accepted ;) | 12:09 |
| raphink | yes Tonio_ | 12:10 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: you'll have no job for six months? | 12:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I don't want to no | 12:11 |
| Riddell | abattoir: sure | 12:12 |
| Tonio_ | it is very complicated, but I'm going in a city where I will never find anything... | 12:12 |
| Tonio_ | so let's make a baby for my girlfriend to get enough points to be able to leave to another place | 12:12 |
| Tonio_ | that's the plan :) | 12:12 |
| abattoir | Riddell: thanks, that'll give me time to figure out rsync and bzr. | 12:12 |
| Tonio_ | we need that she gets points | 12:12 |
| Tonio_ | whe's a teacher, and that's quite complicated in france | 12:12 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: no wedding plans? | 12:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: probably in a few years, but not still no :) | 12:13 |
| Riddell | abattoir: search for ddaa's blog on bzr, it explains how to put it all in the supermirror and/or get it listed on launchpad | 12:13 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: looking at kdeaddons now | 12:13 |
| Riddell | abattoir: although I don't know if oem-installer is listed on launchpad | 12:13 |
| abattoir | Riddell: ok, will do. | 12:13 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: hmm, baby before marrage seems the wrong way around | 12:14 |
| Hobbsee | does to me too, but | 12:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I can understand this, but that's commonhere in france now | 12:14 |
| Hobbsee | i guess some people like doing it the other way around | 12:14 |
| Tonio_ | I have a friend of mine who is african | 12:14 |
| Tonio_ | is parents got married when they were 70 years old | 12:14 |
| Hobbsee | wow! | 12:15 |
| Riddell | ubuntu's gone all blue | 12:15 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: its' just your eyes, going crazy. | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | simply a problem of culture | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | baby before marriage is very common in france | 12:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is that very different in scotland ? | 12:16 |
| Riddell | it would be frowned upon in polite society | 12:16 |
| Hobbsee | interesting... | 12:16 |
| abattoir | Riddell: i cant seem to find it on LP, should i ask Kamion about it tomorrow? | 12:16 |
| Tonio_ | well in my view marriage is only a signed paper | 12:17 |
| Riddell | it's important especailly if the woman takes a long career break for the baby, then marrage means she gets a share of the guy's pension | 12:17 |
| Tonio_ | especially when you know 50% of the people are splitting up after this | 12:17 |
| Riddell | abattoir: I think he just puts it on a webserver, in which case you can do the same, do you have a suitable webserver? | 12:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no need to be married for this in france | 12:17 |
| Tonio_ | we have another thing that is equivalent to marriage, called "pacs" | 12:18 |
| abattoir | Riddell: i have the one you gave me, muse.19inch.net :) | 12:18 |
| Riddell | abattoir: perfect | 12:18 |
| abattoir | Riddell: I hope i can use it till the end of SoC, i'll find a host after that... | 12:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it gives the equivalent rights than getting married | 12:18 |
| Riddell | abattoir: yeah, that's fine | 12:18 |
| abattoir | Riddell: ok, thanks | 12:18 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: do you that? | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | in fact marriage in now just a matter of culture in france, but the technical thing is more "pacs" than marriage | 12:19 |
| Hobbsee | oh no, who's broken down now.... | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | it is especially usefull for gays, since pacs is allowed for them too | 12:19 |
| Tonio_ | and as marriage is **very** expensive, I prefer to wait and make a great party with all of my friends in a few years | 12:20 |
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| Hobbsee | poor dad. | 12:23 |
| Hobbsee | he broke down on a major freeway, in peak hour traffic. | 12:23 |
| RichJ | heh, tell um to call my daughter's god mother...she'll come pick um up | 12:25 |
| RichJ | they are greek..and talk really weird..it is a combo greek+aussie accent | 12:25 |
| RichJ | my daughter speaks greek fluently and has a hard time understanding | 12:26 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 12:26 |
| kwwii | night all | 12:31 |
| kwwii | sleep well | 12:31 |
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| Hobbsee | is there any point in updating knetworkmanager? | 12:33 |
| Riddell | sure | 12:36 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: why would i be having trouble building it from svn? or is it really building, but not obviously updating | 12:39 |
| === Hobbsee grabs a build log | ||
| Riddell | I don't follow | 12:42 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i'm using the script found http://en.opensuse.org/Projects/KNetworkManager to get the source from svn. | 12:43 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/XesMjm87.html is the build log | 12:44 |
| Riddell | it seems to think nothing needs compiled | 12:45 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: yeah, and i'm not sure why | 12:45 |
| Riddell | "Checked out revision 563954." that would have files above it if anything had changed | 12:45 |
| Hobbsee | it didnt even do a compile in the first svn revision i grabbed | 12:46 |
| Hobbsee | odd | 12:49 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: uploading | 12:52 |
| imbrandon | all of them ? | 12:53 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: no, just kdeaddons | 12:53 |
| Hobbsee | havent tested the others yet | 12:53 |
| imbrandon | heh ok | 12:53 |
| Hobbsee | whee...slow upload. | 12:55 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: are there lots of changes in knetworkmanager ? | 12:56 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: Successfully uploaded packages. | 12:56 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: i'm not sure, probably not that many... | 12:57 |
| Tonio_ | because I was waiting for 0.1 to be released to update the package | 12:57 |
| Hobbsee | based on the commit messages | 12:57 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: that's the reason I didn't at the moment | 12:57 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: ah right, okay. i was only playing with it cos my wifi card wasn tworking :P | 12:57 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what's the status of kio-locate? | 12:57 |
| === Hobbsee will have to go back to an old ndiswrapper | ||
| Tonio_ | Riddell: still searching for a solution | 12:57 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what's the problem? | 12:57 |
| Tonio_ | I was about to contact upstream | 12:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: a very strange and weird build issue with scons | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: afaik, it has to be fixed upstream, but I don't know scons enought to patch it myself | 12:58 |
| Riddell | right | 12:58 |
| Riddell | shame tvo seems to have left us | 12:58 |
| uniq | imbrandon: did you do libqtpod and ipodslave? | 12:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: this is a very rare issue (5 or 6 results in google) | 12:59 |
| imbrandon | uniq, was working on it now | 12:59 |
| imbrandon | uniq, unless you have it done | 12:59 |
| imbrandon | ;P | 01:00 |
| uniq | imbrandon: i have libqtpod done.. (not tested). if you want it.. | 01:00 |
| imbrandon | ok | 01:00 |
| Tonio_ | but there are people that have found the solution for other apps, so I'l send a few mails and wait for a response, especially from upstream | 01:00 |
| Hobbsee | if anyone's thinking of stealing my ktrack, dont bother. kpowersave and powersave are on REVU, if someone wants to fixed my broken versions. | 01:00 |
| Hobbsee | breakfast time. | 01:00 |
| imbrandon | uniq imbrandon@kubuntu.org please | 01:00 |
| imbrandon | or a link hehe ( i'm on the lappy atm ) | 01:00 |
| uniq | imbrandon: i'll put it on the web.. hang on. | 01:00 |
| imbrandon | ok | 01:01 |
| RichJ | brown.freenode.net/#kubuntu-devel <-- in irssi, really quick, how can i shrink that? | 01:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll let ou know, but I hope to have a working package in 2 or 3 days | 01:01 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: concerning the wifi, I'll come soon with a kwlan package, which you should have a look at | 01:05 |
| Tonio_ | seems to work pretty nicelly | 01:05 |
| === Tonio_ really hates scons..... | ||
| Tonio_ | Riddell: only thing I can confirm is that build fails with both mini-scons and the standalone scons, in any version | 01:08 |
| Tonio_ | the point is I'm sure it works for upstream since I don't see a developper releasing something that fails to compile out of the box... | 01:09 |
| Tonio_ | that's why it is probably better to contact him | 01:09 |
| RichJ | http://home.comcast.net/~nixternal/images/misc/tmp/edgy1.png | 01:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: can \sh have a look maybe ? I think he is pretty good with python and scons | 01:09 |
| Tonio_ | \sh_away: if you read this when you're back... :) | 01:10 |
| === Tonio_ beds | ||
| Tonio_ | I have to wake up at 4 am to finish the doc..... | 01:11 |
| Riddell | I'm sure \sh_away would love to look at kio-locate | 01:11 |
| imbrandon | RichJ, that desktop logo looks like something my daughter would teeth on | 01:12 |
| RichJ | haha ya | 01:12 |
| RichJ | ubuntu cristal | 01:12 |
| uniq | imbrandon: libqtpod is at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/libqtpod/ - not tested, not uploaded, just made. :) | 01:19 |
| uniq | now, i'm going to bed. nite. | 01:19 |
| imbrandon | uniq, gnight , thanks | 01:20 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: ooh, nice, does it do WPA? | 01:26 |
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| Seveas | nose* | 01:30 |
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| Riddell | no voilence around here please | 01:34 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: even for Seveas? but he deserves it! | 01:34 |
| uniq | imbrandon: noticed a little problem with libqtpod.. on line 39 in debian/rules, change "usr/include/qtpod/" to "usr/include/libqtpod/" | 01:34 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: you're reminding me of your "children, children" line from a few weeks ago :P | 01:37 |
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| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: you either didnt set up your apt mirror, or it's not working | 01:52 |
| === Hobbsee updates imbrandon_'s machine for him. | ||
| imbrandon_ | i dident set it up yet for edgy, its still syncing ( 22+gigs of downloads ) | 01:53 |
| imbrandon_ | updating what ? heh | 01:53 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: voyager | 01:54 |
| Hobbsee | ah, fair enough | 01:54 |
| === Hobbsee updates the base tarball first | ||
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: did you see if the first two had hit yet? | 01:56 |
| freeflying | morning all | 01:56 |
| imbrandon_ | moins freeflying | 01:56 |
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| Hobbsee | hi freeflying, jsgotangco | 01:56 |
| jsgotangco | good morning | 01:57 |
| imbrandon_ | Hobbsee, looks like bibletime is all that came accross -changes | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: cool, and kdeaddons? | 01:58 |
| imbrandon_ | dunno still looking | 01:58 |
| imbrandon_ | dont see it though | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: search for imbrandon? | 02:00 |
| Hobbsee | awwww... | 02:01 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: yeah, right. damn. | 02:01 |
| Hobbsee | Rejected: | 02:01 |
| Hobbsee | Signer is not permitted to upload to the component 'main' of file 'kdeaddons_3.5.3-0ubuntu4.dsc' | 02:01 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: you'll have to poke Ridd*ell, rap*hink or Ton*io_ for that. | 02:02 |
| crimsun | or me. | 02:02 |
| Hobbsee | or crimsun | 02:02 |
| crimsun | do you have free rein to upload kde despite main being frozen for K-1? | 02:03 |
| crimsun | you -> kubuntu devs | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: no | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: not for main | 02:03 |
| crimsun | so main's frozen for kde, too? ok. | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: i was told "main is frozen, dont touch" | 02:03 |
| Hobbsee | i believe so | 02:03 |
| crimsun | right, that's my understanding, but edubuntu and xubuntu have exceptions | 02:03 |
| crimsun | (as long as nothing touches ubuntu) | 02:04 |
| crimsun | we wait, then | 02:04 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: ah...okay then...i'd have to ask on that one | 02:04 |
| robotgeek | hmm, we are frozen for edgy already? | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | robotgeek: no, just for flight 1 cd | 02:06 |
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| Hobbsee | s/flight/knot/ | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | robotgeek: so i saw. i got motu, this morning :) | 02:06 |
| robotgeek | Hobbsee: congrats! | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | robotgeek: :) | 02:07 |
| crimsun | robotgeek: yeah dude, we're frozen, we're releasing edgy this weekend and swapping codebase to use Vista next week. | 02:07 |
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| Hobbsee | hehe | 02:07 |
| robotgeek | crimsun: i wouldn't expect anything less :) | 02:07 |
| RadiantFire | fun... | 02:11 |
| imbrandon_ | vista ? i thought it was vista+1 | 02:12 |
| crimsun | well let's not push into duke nukem forever territory | 02:12 |
| imbrandon_ | sabdfl should name edgy+1 <something> vista , just to see ms crawl | 02:12 |
| RadiantFire | oh, but whats his name pledged to neve rhave a delay as long as vista... | 02:12 |
| === Hobbsee turns into an icicle again. | ||
| RadiantFire | why turning into icicle? | 02:19 |
| Hobbsee | RadiantFire: very cold | 02:19 |
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| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: ouch, w.r.t. boson-base - did you ever run lintian on it? | 02:57 |
| Lathiat | i seem to recall boson-base was quite terrible comign from debian | 02:58 |
| Lathiat | tho ic ould be wrong | 02:58 |
| imbrandon | i did nothing but rebuild them as riddell said ;P feel free to do whatever | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | Lathiat: yeah, it is. cvs dirs all over the place. | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | Lathiat: do i care about removing all the cvs stuff, or what? | 02:58 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, poke upstream to clean it up also then ;) | 02:59 |
| imbrandon | ehheheh | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: go for it :P | 02:59 |
| === Hobbsee is just a mere uploader. | ||
| imbrandon | heh | 03:00 |
| imbrandon | ok Hobbsee ping my other self in a pm about the package comments please and i'll get to them when i get back upstairs ( can see now that i'm gonna have to start a todo list ) | 03:01 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: okay. your dekorator patch is fubar'd | 03:01 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: for some reason, you've modified config.guess and config.sub | 03:02 |
| imbrandon | no thats something else | 03:02 |
| crimsun | are you guys aware of filterdiff(1)? :-) | 03:02 |
| imbrandon | the tar gz isnt what .... welll i said skip that one anyhow \ | 03:02 |
| imbrandon | filterdiff? no | 03:03 |
| Hobbsee | crimsun: nope? | 03:04 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: you did? right. | 03:04 |
| Hobbsee | i must have missed that | 03:04 |
| imbrandon | yea , well i thought i told you, might have been someone else but yea | 03:04 |
| imbrandon | skip that one | 03:04 |
| crimsun | config.{guess,sub} can be filtered out of a diff.gz | 03:05 |
| imbrandon | ahh | 03:05 |
| imbrandon | crimsun, do tell ;P | 03:05 |
| crimsun | if debian/rules has references to them, it's assumed that you build-dep on autotools-dev anyhow | 03:05 |
| crimsun | in which case any diff for config.{guess,sub} is pretty redundant | 03:06 |
| imbrandon | hrm ok brb afkish | 03:08 |
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| Hobbsee | er, imbrandon_ you twit... | 03:12 |
| imbrandon_ | ... | 03:14 |
| imbrandon_ | Hobbsee, ?? | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: libgamin0's a dep, not a build dep. | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | well, it's no longer either, i guess, but it never was a build dep :P | 03:15 |
| imbrandon_ | i said so it dosent build dep on not as a build dep | 03:16 |
| imbrandon_ | .............. /me gos back to what he was doing | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm... | 03:17 |
| imbrandon_ | also from Riddell's wiki ( where i got it from ) : After Knot 1, assuming we decide to keep not using Gamin we need to rebuild these packages so they don't build-dep on libgamin0 | 03:18 |
| imbrandon_ | ;P | 03:18 |
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| imbrandon_ | anyhow really afk now | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | okay | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | hi nixternal_ | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: ah, interesting. that really should say that they depend on libgamin0. | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | doesnt matter that much | 03:20 |
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| Hobbsee | hi jjesse | 03:51 |
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| jjesse | hello Hobbsee, congrats on earlier today :) | 03:53 |
| jjesse | afk | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: thanks :) | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: repeat after me. we are developing for edgy, not dapper. | 03:57 |
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| Hobbsee | idiot. | 03:57 |
| === Hobbsee repeats herself a couple of times, and tries to remember. | ||
| Hobbsee | i blame being cold. | 04:03 |
| jjesse | we are developing for edgy :) | 04:10 |
| jjesse | why is someone wanting dapper stuff? | 04:10 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: no, i'm just being an idiot. twice. | 04:10 |
| jjesse | doh | 04:11 |
| jjesse | you were up early that's why :) | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: actually, x3. | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: ah...is that the problem...yes... | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: although the first time i didnt realise the package was in main, so it came back REJECTED. | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | the other two i tried uploading to dapper. | 04:11 |
| jjesse | bummer | 04:11 |
| jjesse | so what new rights do you have now? the ability to upload to main or ? | 04:12 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: just to universe | 04:12 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: the meeting log's quite amusing :P | 04:12 |
| jjesse | grin i saw most of it, i'll have to read what i missed later | 04:12 |
| jjesse | does that mean you are an motu or ? a little confused on how that works | 04:12 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: yeah, i'm a MOTU | 04:12 |
| Hobbsee | core dev people are the ones who can upload to main, MOTU to universe | 04:12 |
| === Hobbsee is a Master. | ||
| jjesse | do i have to refer to you as mistress Hobbsee now? | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: no. you may refer to me as Queen Hobbsee. | 04:13 |
| === jjesse bends one knee to his new queen | ||
| Hobbsee | :P | 04:14 |
| === Hobbsee isnt interested in being a mistress. | ||
| jjesse | grin | 04:15 |
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| Hobbsee | hiya abattoir_ | 04:15 |
| abattoir_ | hello Hobbsee :) | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: how's doco going? seeing as you werent at the meeting yesterday? | 04:15 |
| jjesse | doc is going slow, not much to update agains yet :) | 04:16 |
| abattoir | Hobbsee: congratulations, btw :) | 04:16 |
| Hobbsee | abattoir: thanks :) | 04:16 |
| jjesse | but now that there is a daily cd out there we can start documenting against the changes, and we also have built up quite the group to go after a switching from windows to ubuntu (and making schanges for kuubntu | 04:19 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: nice :) | 04:19 |
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| jjesse | Hobbsee: isn't it like 12pm there or something? | 04:24 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: yeah, midday | 04:25 |
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| Hobbsee | imbrandon_: whatever's creating those extra pbuilder dirs on your system is very annoying. | 04:51 |
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| nixternal | adept is broken in edgy? | 05:10 |
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| abattoir | nixternal: for me, in amd64, i had to remove it in order to continue, so yes. | 05:29 |
| abattoir | continue the upgrade that is | 05:30 |
| nixternal | ya, it says that db is broke | 05:30 |
| nixternal | OOo 2.0.3 getting packaged for edgy? | 05:42 |
| nixternal | OK Dev's, this is what i would like to see for Knot 1 Documentation 'Release Information' | 05:43 |
| nixternal | I want to know what is in Knot 1 that is huge!!! Like, what does it have that will make a person go 'Oh Wow Edgy Is Gonna Rock', now don't project the future knots, but what is in knot 1 | 05:44 |
| nixternal | i have .... 2.6.17 kernel...kde 3.5.3 (nothing else yet ;))...Amarok 1.4.1...what else is in front of me that everyone should know about that makes the Kubuntu Edgy Knot 1 release kick @$$ | 05:45 |
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| DaSkreech | Well Xen sold out | 08:11 |
| mornfall | what? :) | 08:13 |
| mornfall | Domain-0 0 1750 2 r----- 145514.7 | 08:13 |
| DaSkreech | http://www.xensource.com/partners/microsoft_resources.html | 08:13 |
| crimsun | that's not selling out | 08:14 |
| mornfall | yeah | 08:14 |
| crimsun | remember they're a technology company that specialises in virtualisation. It makes sense to offer interoperability with MS. | 08:14 |
| mornfall | that's just that MS will be potentially shelling out $$$ for hypervisor know-how | 08:14 |
| vinboy | i'm worry that Microsoft will but linux and kde one day | 08:16 |
| vinboy | *buy | 08:16 |
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| mornfall | it's not like they could | 08:16 |
| mornfall | silly boy | 08:16 |
| mornfall | as for MS | 08:17 |
| mornfall | they want linux to run as guest on windows | 08:17 |
| mornfall | so they can keep domain 0 | 08:17 |
| mornfall | eh eh | 08:17 |
| mornfall | betas in second half of 2007 ah ah | 08:17 |
| vinboy | they could if they want to | 08:18 |
| DaSkreech | vinboy: No they couldn't | 08:18 |
| vinboy | they can hire army to kill all the linux & kde programmers and take over | 08:18 |
| DaSkreech | vinboy: No they couldn't | 08:19 |
| vinboy | but they risk going to jail | 08:19 |
| DaSkreech | mornfall: What would they gain by having Linux supported by Microsoft? | 08:20 |
| mornfall | for MS? or for linux? | 08:21 |
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| crimsun | DaSkreech: it's all about integration for management | 08:22 |
| DaSkreech | For MS | 08:22 |
| crimsun | yes | 08:22 |
| DaSkreech | crimsun: Yeah but if Microsoft already have a Virtualization program what do they want Xen for? | 08:22 |
| crimsun | in any case, this is step /forward/, not a regression | 08:22 |
| mornfall | being able to run the better os while keeping the control, that's points for MS :-) | 08:23 |
| DaSkreech | A step forward would be having MS stuff virtualized on top of a dom0 linux | 08:23 |
| mornfall | DaSkreech: that already works -- you just need a new intel cpu | 08:23 |
| crimsun | DaSkreech: MS isn't dumb. They have a number of reasons for licensing the tech, the least of which is recognising their core strengths. | 08:23 |
| crimsun | Ray Ozzie is not an idiot. | 08:24 |
| DaSkreech | I know why they would want to have Linux on MS :) thats obvious | 08:24 |
| DaSkreech | I don't know why they are supporting it | 08:24 |
| crimsun | again, Ray Ozzie is not an idiot. | 08:24 |
| DaSkreech | And then with Virtualized Linux servers on top of A Microsoft server | 08:25 |
| mornfall | well, dom0 is in charge | 08:25 |
| mornfall | and MS loves to be in charge | 08:25 |
| mornfall | that's about it i guess :)) | 08:25 |
| mornfall | of course, from the actualy sober perspective | 08:26 |
| mornfall | it's the actual workhorse systems that matter | 08:26 |
| mornfall | which would be linux in that scenario | 08:26 |
| DaSkreech | As I said I know why MS wants linux to run on top of a Microsoft server | 08:26 |
| mornfall | if anyone of you ever worked with LPAR | 08:26 |
| DaSkreech | A license is a license | 08:26 |
| mornfall | the management console thing is just a very limited unixy system | 08:27 |
| DaSkreech | The interest in virtualized linux and then supporting it I don't get | 08:27 |
| DaSkreech | Anyway when Xen gets around to supporting the virtualized AMD's I'll look again | 08:27 |
| mornfall | virtualized amd's? amd got around to catch up? :P | 08:28 |
| crimsun | mornfall: there's extensive work in that work (upcoming) from big blue and the hat | 08:28 |
| mornfall | it already works with intel..... | 08:28 |
| mornfall | which hat | 08:28 |
| crimsun | red hat | 08:28 |
| mornfall | i haven't noticed that | 08:29 |
| crimsun | (speaking of both the bolts and the management consoles) | 08:29 |
| mornfall | but, well | 08:29 |
| mornfall | anyhow, --> offic | 08:31 |
| mornfall | e | 08:31 |
| mornfall | laters | 08:31 |
| vinboy | anyone using 64bit distro here? | 08:32 |
| abattoir | vinboy: I am | 08:35 |
| vinboy | abattoir: do u find any specific problem? | 08:37 |
| abattoir | vinboy: apart from the usual... nothing ;) | 08:37 |
| abattoir | the usual being lack of proper support for stuff like flash, java | 08:38 |
| abattoir | however if you are prepared to invest time, there are workaraounds | 08:38 |
| vinboy | ah... ok | 08:38 |
| vinboy | wat advantage does 64bit OS has over the 32bit? | 08:39 |
| vinboy | is it worth the effort? | 08:39 |
| abattoir | vinboy: for example you can setup a 32-bit chroot to make certain things which dont work in 64-bit | 08:39 |
| abattoir | vinboy: people say its hard to notice for setup w/ less than 2gigs of ram | 08:39 |
| abattoir | vinboy: but tbh, i do find it a bit faster than 32-bit | 08:39 |
| abattoir | vinboy: whether it is worth the effort, is dependent on you... i guess. :) | 08:40 |
| DaSkreech | abattoir: Are nearly all the repos also mirrored with 64 bit packages? | 08:41 |
| abattoir | DaSkreech: i think almost all the packages, which can be packaged are available... | 08:42 |
| DaSkreech | ok | 08:42 |
| abattoir | certain stuff like wine dont work natively, afaik, hence package doesnt exist | 08:42 |
| vinboy | oh ok | 08:44 |
| vinboy | few weeks ago ppl have been talking about 64bit ubuntu is trash | 08:44 |
| abattoir | vinboy: well, i definitely would disagree with that? | 08:45 |
| vinboy | :) | 08:45 |
| abattoir | *! | 08:45 |
| abattoir | and i'd also like to know what they mean by 'trash' ? :P | 08:45 |
| abattoir | one of the advantages w/ Ubuntu is that almost all the packages in i386 are also available(like DaSkreech was asking). I have used Mandriva 64-bit and the lack of packages was a major gripe there. | 08:46 |
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| abattoir | DaSkreech: i think i didnt understand you properly there.. were you asking if all the mirrors which have 32-bit packages have also 64-bit ones? | 08:50 |
| DaSkreech | no | 08:50 |
| abattoir | oh ok. | 08:51 |
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| mornfall | 64bit os => gentoo effect | 09:08 |
| mornfall | it was enough work that you really want to believe it was worth something :) | 09:09 |
| nixternal | Riddell: Kamion applied the fixes to the sources.list issue with the daily build and has uploaded the changes | 09:12 |
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| vinboy | where can I get nice wallpaper for kubuntu? | 09:16 |
| DaSkreech | kde-look.org | 09:17 |
| DaSkreech | Or use GHNS | 09:17 |
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| vinboy | GHNS? | 09:24 |
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| DaSkreech | Get hot new stuff | 09:26 |
| DaSkreech | When you are setting your wallpapaer under the little monitor there is a button that says get new wallpaper | 09:26 |
| DaSkreech | Click it | 09:26 |
| vinboy | ic.. thanks | 09:33 |
| vinboy | tat is so handy | 09:34 |
| DaSkreech | yUP | 09:35 |
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| vinboy | my Xorg keep increasing it mem usage, now it is at 121mb | 09:40 |
| vinboy | is that normal? | 09:40 |
| mornfall | xrestop | 09:41 |
| mornfall | could be kicker leaking pixmap mem | 09:41 |
| mornfall | dcop kicker '' restart | 09:41 |
| mornfall | if that is the case | 09:41 |
| mornfall | wallpapers eat into x memory as well :)) | 09:41 |
| mornfall | transparent konsole too | 09:42 |
| mornfall | about anything that deals with biggish pixmaps is mem-expensive | 09:42 |
| === mornfall doesn't have wallpaper, transparency in konsole or anything like that... got better uses for my ram | ||
| vinboy | how do I check? | 09:43 |
| vinboy | i did the dcop kicker but the mem doesn't reduce | 09:43 |
| vinboy | must be something wrong | 09:44 |
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| omeow | vinboy, you could launch ksysguard and filter on memory. | 11:11 |
| vinboy | thank you | 11:14 |
| vinboy | does anyone what fonts this screenshot is using? they look good http://kmymoney2.sourceforge.net/images/accounts1.png | 11:14 |
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| vinboy | is there a channel for genbuntu? | 11:39 |
| Riddell | what's that? | 11:39 |
| vinboy | gentoo+ubuntu | 11:39 |
| vinboy | ubuntu's package management with gentoo's compile-from-source | 11:39 |
| vinboy | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=208595 | 11:39 |
| Riddell | yuch | 11:39 |
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| freeflying|away | Riddell: 18's iso can be installed well | 11:44 |
| Riddell | freeflying|away: desktop or alternate? | 11:44 |
| Riddell | freeflying|away: powerpc? | 11:44 |
| freeflying|away | alternate for i386 | 11:45 |
| Riddell | cool, thanks | 11:45 |
| freeflying|away | :) | 11:45 |
| Riddell | yay for nixternal doing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Kubuntu/Edgy/Knot1 | 11:46 |
| Riddell | nixternal: Printers in the k-menu is actually a bug :) | 11:47 |
| Riddell | nixternal: you might want to mention the launchpad integration (Help menu items) | 11:47 |
| freeflying|away | Riddell: how about the kprinter, I still can't make it work | 11:47 |
| Riddell | freeflying|away: not at all? | 11:48 |
| Riddell | freeflying|away: local printer? | 11:48 |
| freeflying|away | Riddell: samba print | 11:48 |
| Riddell | ah, more tricky | 11:49 |
| Riddell | freeflying|away: so you're trying to print to a printer on a windows machine? | 11:49 |
| freeflying|away | Riddell: ya, but can't make it work | 11:50 |
| Riddell | does it work from gnome? | 11:56 |
| freeflying|away | Riddell: never used gnome :) | 11:58 |
| omeow | vinboy, looks like dejavu sans or nimbus sans perhaps. | 11:59 |
| vinboy | thanks omeow | 12:04 |
| Riddell | imbrandon_: who uploaded ipodslave? | 12:04 |
| Riddell | oh, it's not in main, silly me | 12:10 |
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| freeflying|away | Riddell: when will main un-freeze? | 12:24 |
| Riddell | freeflying|away: looks like Knot will be out today, so in a few hours | 12:34 |
| freeflying|away | Riddell: edgy enable use bitmap fonts defaut now? | 12:35 |
| Riddell | freeflying|away: I don't know, antialiasing seems to be broken in KDE for some reason however | 12:35 |
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| MrFaber | hi all | 12:48 |
| MrFaber | I think I have found a problem with the installer at least with the alternate. | 12:48 |
| MrFaber | Somebody have choosen shadow as username but he couln't login after installation. It seems that ubuntu or maybe linux has a group shadow per default so this might be the problem. I think that the installer should check which usernames/groups are already in use. | 12:50 |
| vinboy | how do I set background color for gtk applications? | 12:51 |
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| omeow | Why does superkaramba depend on xmms? | 01:02 |
| allee | omeow: check changelog. It should be mentioned there. A look in upstream README is also a good idea | 01:11 |
| allee | ^^ changelog.Debian is you have it installed | 01:11 |
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| imbrandon | Riddell, ping | 03:10 |
| Riddell | hi imbrandon | 03:10 |
| imbrandon | heya | 03:10 |
| imbrandon | quick question, if there a way in kds to make the ipod icon ( the one made on the desktop when a ipod is connected ) open ipod:/ in konq and not /media/<mount> ? | 03:11 |
| === imbrandon was just looking at the way knoppix and suse does it and thought it was a good idea | ||
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| Riddell | they have a patch | 03:13 |
| Riddell | on the whole I'd expect people to use amarok rather than ipod:/ but amarok needs you to manually mount and unmount which is totally unintuitive | 03:13 |
| imbrandon | yea exactly | 03:14 |
| imbrandon | heh | 03:14 |
| imbrandon | would it be worth looking at including the patch in edgy ? i think it would add a bit of polish | 03:14 |
| imbrandon | since it does add the icon to the desktop i would think it would be only logical to be able to transfers songs etc | 03:15 |
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| Riddell | it would need ipodslave in main | 03:15 |
| imbrandon | leaste thats what i expected when i opened it hehe | 03:15 |
| Riddell | and it would need to not get in the way of amarok | 03:16 |
| imbrandon | yea thats what i thought, thats why i was asking, since it would have to be installed | 03:16 |
| imbrandon | hrm ok i'll test it a bit over the next day or so and see how it go's wont be hard as i use my ipod and amarok alot | 03:16 |
| imbrandon | if it does work out is it possible to get ipodslave promoted ? | 03:17 |
| imbrandon | ( IE before sept 7 ) | 03:17 |
| Riddell | sure, you just need to write a main inclusion report | 03:18 |
| Riddell | but if there's a new version of ipodslave being packages best wait until that's in | 03:18 |
| imbrandon | yea i'm packin it hehe | 03:18 |
| imbrandon | 0.8pre1 | 03:18 |
| imbrandon | Tonio_, said i could dso it he dident have the time, then he was gonna revu it | 03:19 |
| imbrandon | anyhow okies, /me goes back to workin on stuff , thanks Riddell | 03:19 |
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| imbrandon | Riddell, btw did you see ipod linux booting with the kubuntu logo on my ipod ;P http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/misc/kubuntu_on_ipod_nano.jpg | 03:24 |
| Riddell | yes, very cool | 03:25 |
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| Hobbsee | hi all | 03:49 |
| imbrandon | heya Hobbsee ;) | 03:49 |
| Hobbsee | hi imbrandon! | 03:51 |
| Hobbsee | does someone know what the latest version of kat is, and whether it's any more stable than 0.6.3? Riddell? | 04:14 |
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| Riddell | Hobbsee: kat is sleeping, strigi is the current promise | 04:36 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: right, okay. | 04:36 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i swear i'm such a moron today :( | 04:37 |
| freeflying|away | Hobbsee: have you test kchmviewer on ppc, can it work? | 04:37 |
| Hobbsee | freeflying|away: i have no access to any ppc | 04:37 |
| Riddell | freeflying|away: have you tried kmail on powerpc in edgy? | 04:38 |
| freeflying|away | Riddell: it work one week ago, but now , I don't know, for my ibook was sent to apple for repair the HDD :) | 04:39 |
| idrivel | freeflying|away, i hava some quewtions. | 04:39 |
| idrivel | freeflying|away, plz enter #ubuntu-cn | 04:39 |
| Hobbsee | yay. second try at kconfigure works. | 04:41 |
| === Hobbsee is such a moron. | ||
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| Hobbsee | hiya imbrandon | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | whee. kdar gets an upload. | 04:43 |
| Hobbsee | s/upload/update | 04:43 |
| imbrandon | heya | 04:44 |
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| Hobbsee | hi jjesse | 05:04 |
| jjesse | hello Hobbsee | 05:04 |
| jjesse | i hate my work computer | 05:04 |
| imbrandon | grrr | 05:04 |
| imbrandon | heya jjesse | 05:04 |
| imbrandon | i'm hating my home computer atm ;P | 05:04 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 05:04 |
| jjesse | hello imbrandon | 05:04 |
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: which one, and what's it doing? | 05:04 |
| imbrandon | cant get dam dual monitors working even though the kde display setting say that it is | 05:04 |
| imbrandon | voyager | 05:04 |
| imbrandon | Hobbsee, see look http://imbrandon.sytes.net/display.png | 05:06 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 05:06 |
| imbrandon | kde says they are both there, but the second monitor is "off" | 05:06 |
| imbrandon | well not displaying anything | 05:06 |
| === imbrandon heads to #kubuntu to see if anyone knows the problem | ||
| Hobbsee | imbrandon: fun? | 05:08 |
| === Hobbsee keeps going thru all the packages that need upgrading, and the broken ones. | ||
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| jjesse | can someone look at bug #14945 the last comment i made was if this person was having a problem with the issue in dapper, but i don't know if it is part of a bigger issue | 05:14 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 14945 in kdeutils "klaptopdaemon triggers hibernate in incorrect manner" [Medium,Needs info] http://launchpad.net/bugs/14945 | 05:14 |
| Hobbsee | !info libdar-dev edgy | 05:17 |
| ubotu | libdar-dev: Disk ARchive: Development files for shared library. In repository universe, is optional. Version 2.3.0-4 (edgy), package size 835 kB, installed size 2928 kB | 05:17 |
| Hobbsee | oh yeah, i tested out hibernate/suspend today :) | 05:17 |
| jjesse | does it work good? | 05:17 |
| jjesse | Hobbsee: can you help me on the bug i just posted? what status should i put it as ? | 05:17 |
| === Hobbsee is looking | ||
| Hobbsee | jjesse: kld's getting replaced in edgy anyway. | 05:18 |
| Riddell | jjesse: it can probably be closed | 05:18 |
| freeflying | jjesse: recommend using kpowersave :) | 05:18 |
| Hobbsee | heh, yeah. | 05:18 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: you got a minute? | 05:18 |
| jjesse | so flag it as closed, fixed in edgy ? or fixed in dapper? | 05:18 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: always for you | 05:18 |
| === Hobbsee smiles. | ||
| Riddell | jjesse: fixed in dapper | 05:18 |
| jjesse | thanks Riddell | 05:18 |
| hungerW | Suspend to RAM worked on my thinkpad for about 8h since somewhere halfway through the dapper release cycle. | 05:19 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: two things. is it worth requesting a sync to fix http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=378431 | 05:19 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 378431 in libdar-dev "Subject: libdar-dev is not installable" [Important,Closed] | 05:19 |
| Hobbsee | or just patch it here? | 05:19 |
| freeflying | Riddell: will we use powersave defaultly in edgy? | 05:19 |
| Hobbsee | freeflying: powersave, with a new frontend, according to the specs. | 05:19 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: if it's not a new upstream version then requesting a sync should be the best way | 05:20 |
| === Hobbsee is very interested in tesint that front end. | ||
| Hobbsee | Riddell: okay, cool. and i can do that myself now, yay! | 05:20 |
| hungerW | Riddell: Oh nice, especially since kpowersave can be tricked easily into using pmi;-) | 05:20 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: second question, how should i version kopete, so that the source kopete deb overwrites the kopete deb from kdenetwork? | 05:20 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I'd go for 3.5.4kopete0.12.1-0ubuntu1 | 05:21 |
| jjesse | anyone having any problems w/ me marking bug #15451 as fix released (working for me in dapper) | 05:21 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 15451 in kubuntu-meta "Kubuntu / KDE SMB network error using openoffice word docs" [Medium,Confirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/15451 | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: right, okay then. what happens with the 3.5.4 packages then? automatically rewritten? | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | cmvo: you around today? | 05:22 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I'll just make sure not to make kopete packages with kde 3.5.4 | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | doesnt look like it. | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: okay, cool. | 05:22 |
| cmvo | Hobbsee: Hi! | 05:22 |
| freeflying | jjesse: this seemed fixed already | 05:22 |
| === Hobbsee adds it to her todo list | ||
| hungerW | jjesse: I wouldn't close the bug without feedback. | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | cmvo: i redirected your screensaver bug. | 05:22 |
| omeow | puhleeeeeez sneak these patches in; http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/xinerama | 05:22 |
| === omeow giggles. | ||
| jjesse | freeflying: that's what i thought as i'm not having any problems as i reported a lot of the problems :) | 05:23 |
| hungerW | jjesse: Dapper has huge problems with suspend/resume in my experience... | 05:23 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: did you want to write the UVF exception report for that, too? i found the changelog... | 05:23 |
| === Hobbsee would say "test all hibernate/suspend stuff on edgy" | ||
| cmvo | Hobbsee: I've read it, didn't have any time to reply. So, in edgy to different screensavers don't work... | 05:23 |
| Hobbsee | cmvo: yeah, i tested them all out quite thoroughly :P | 05:24 |
| hungerW | Hobbsee: I doubt that it will help to write yet another bugreport about my problem:-( | 05:24 |
| Hobbsee | hungerW: no, i expect not, but kernels seem to make a difference with suspend/hibernate stuff. | 05:24 |
| Hobbsee | which is kinda nice - my suspend finally works, as long as i modprobe -r ndiswarpper first | 05:25 |
| hungerW | Hobbsee: Yeap... but since the current edgy kernels do not even manage to boot without going Ooops that is somewhat hard to test:-) | 05:25 |
| Hobbsee | hungerW: when did that occur? | 05:25 |
| Riddell | omeow: do you know anyone who could test them? | 05:25 |
| === Hobbsee is in edgy now. | ||
| Riddell | Hobbsee: for what? | 05:26 |
| jjesse | hungerW: i have a version of edgy running from the last daily cd i downloaded | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: for kopete, sorry. | 05:26 |
| cmvo | Hobbsee: I downloaded the 0718 iso, but haven't gotten arount to try it. | 05:26 |
| omeow | Riddell, me if I could install it on Kubuntu. | 05:26 |
| hungerW | Hobbsee: And my problem is the button module not getting unloaded anymore... that works fine, but waking up the laptop triggers a shutdown right after resume... | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | cmvo: ah cool. i just dist-upgraded | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | hungerW: ahhh... | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | hungerW: oh, that darned bug. | 05:26 |
| omeow | Riddell, Sho_ might be able to try it out too. | 05:26 |
| omeow | Haven't asked though. | 05:27 |
| hungerW | Hobbsee: kernel oops? Had that with all 2.6.17 kernels from ubuntu so far. | 05:27 |
| Hobbsee | hungerW: ouch, okay then. | 05:27 |
| === Hobbsee has been lucky, clearly. | ||
| Riddell | omeow: OK, I'll try and get them in if you promise to test and let me know how they work | 05:28 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I did e-mail mdz with an UVF exception request, no response yet | 05:28 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: ah right, okay. | 05:28 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: whee. how long does it take for p.d.o to be updated with the latest debian packages? | 05:29 |
| omeow | Riddell, you have my word. But I will be needing instructions on how to get the test packages installed on my machine. | 05:29 |
| omeow | Will it be test packages or edgy source that I need to compile? | 05:29 |
| Riddell | omeow: I'll just put it into edgy | 05:31 |
| omeow | Just tell me when. | 05:31 |
| Riddell | not today I'm afraid | 05:31 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: you're going thru buglists? | 05:31 |
| omeow | Riddell, I wasn't expecting it today. I meant in general. | 05:32 |
| jjesse | Hobbsee: when i have a second @ work while i'mwaiting for things to load | 05:32 |
| jjesse | it is a hug day after all :) | 05:32 |
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| Hobbsee | jjesse: cool. amarok buglist needs some love :) | 05:32 |
| === Hobbsee noticed it, as she fixed some of the bugs | ||
| omeow | hmmmm amarok bugs. | 05:32 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: see also http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=115144677527998&w=2 | 05:32 |
| === omeow goes read the list. | ||
| jjesse | Hobbsee: going to start at the bugs that i'm subscribed to first and see what are waiting for responses or stil need more info etc | 05:32 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: leave the ones that i've marked as "fix committed" as is - i havent got that package uploaded yet. | 05:33 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: cool, okay. | 05:33 |
| Hobbsee | omeow: thanks :) | 05:33 |
| jjesse | Hobbsee: will do :) | 05:33 |
| omeow | For what? | 05:33 |
| Hobbsee | omeow: amarok buglist | 05:33 |
| omeow | Thanks for reading? :) | 05:33 |
| omeow | dear christ... 639 bugs. | 05:33 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: very cool | 05:34 |
| Hobbsee | omeow: what? not in amarok, surely... | 05:34 |
| omeow | Uh yes. | 05:35 |
| omeow | http://tinyurl.com/z3mec | 05:36 |
| Hobbsee | omeow: no, not them. i meant the ones on launchpad | 05:37 |
| Hobbsee | although a lot of them should be fixed in the newer releases too | 05:37 |
| omeow | Oh ok. | 05:38 |
| omeow | I always look at the bko | 05:38 |
| Hobbsee | omeow: yeah, true. that's a good place to look as well. i was actually meaning our launchpad version, and triage, and file the upstream bugs upstream. | 05:39 |
| === Hobbsee wonders if it's worth bothering to update kde-systemsettings. | ||
| hungerW | damn is aptitude SLOW! I am using it for the first time now since debfoster is deprecated:-( | 05:40 |
| Hobbsee | hungerW: what happened to apt? | 05:41 |
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| hungerW | Hobbsee: I need something like debfoster that kicks out unnecessary cruft when deinstalling. The last debfoster deb had a notice that you should use aptitude if you wanted that feature. | 05:54 |
| Hobbsee | hungerW: ah, right, yes. | 05:55 |
| Hobbsee | right, that's got some more of the libgamin fixes done. | 05:55 |
| Hobbsee | and now i've noticed that they're not separated into universe and main. | 05:55 |
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| Hobbsee | okay, bedtime. i've only been up for around 20 hours. | 05:57 |
| Hobbsee | night Riddell, everyone else | 05:57 |
| jjesse | night queen Hobbsee | 05:58 |
| === jjesse drops to one knee as the queen leaves | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 05:58 |
| === Hobbsee looks for a pretty crown or something :) | ||
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| Hobbsee | night imbrandon | 06:00 |
| imbrandon | gnight gurl | 06:00 |
| imbrandon | err yea | 06:00 |
| nixternal | haha Riddell, the menu thing will be noted as a bug, however i kind of like it there ;) | 06:07 |
| nixternal | i will check out launchpad integration here in a little bit..thanks for the info !!! | 06:07 |
| Riddell | nixternal: I've added a screenshot to the Knot1 page | 06:07 |
| Riddell | nixternal: you could also add a section on KDE 3.5.3 | 06:07 |
| nixternal | cool beans | 06:07 |
| nixternal | i am working on it as we speak | 06:08 |
| nixternal | i forgot to add a header on it last night | 06:08 |
| jjesse | nixternal: have you checked w/ mgalvin to make sure you are using the template that he used for the dapper flights? | 06:08 |
| jjesse | afk lunch itme :) | 06:09 |
| nixternal | im following his template from the list of pages he has done in the past...i will contact him and see if he as an exact template or what not right now ;) | 06:09 |
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| Riddell | Lathiat: what's the best order for hosts: in /etc/nsswitch.conf? | 06:44 |
| Lathiat | uh | 06:48 |
| Lathiat | http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/nss-mdns/#documentation | 06:48 |
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| Riddell | hmm, we have an old version of libnss-mdns | 06:51 |
| jjesse | bug #17735 appears it can be marked fixed released for dapper as there is information in /usr/lib/mime/packages can someone correct me if i'm wrong on this? | 06:52 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 17735 in meta-kde "kde packages install nothing in /usr/lib/mime/packages" [Medium,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/17735 | 06:52 |
| Riddell | jjesse: you seem to be right | 06:54 |
| jjesse | wahoo three bugs down today :) | 06:55 |
| Riddell | go jjesse! | 06:57 |
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| jjesse | i love it when no one responds to questions when you ask for follow-up: bug #19311 | 06:57 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 19311 in kubuntu-default-settings "dpkg errors on install" [Medium,Rejected] http://launchpad.net/bugs/19311 | 06:57 |
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| Tonio_ | hi all | 07:55 |
| _Sime | Tonio_: Hi, | 07:55 |
| Tonio_ | let's find this kio-locate build error... | 07:55 |
| Riddell | ooh, _Sime's back | 07:57 |
| _Sime | i've been away on vacation, and I'll be going again for a few days starting tomorrow. | 07:58 |
| _Sime | Riddell: how have you been though? | 07:58 |
| Riddell | I know | 07:58 |
| Riddell | I've been nice and hot | 07:58 |
| Riddell | nice holiday? | 07:59 |
| _Sime | Tonio_: BTW, I was in normandy last week and I had a tartar-uncooked-beef-thingy.... tasted raw. | 07:59 |
| _Sime | Riddell: yeah, it was nice. Deb hurt her ankle though which made things difficult. | 07:59 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 07:59 |
| Tonio_ | did you appreciate ?* | 08:00 |
| === Tonio_ love uncooked food :) | ||
| _Sime | Riddell: it has been bloody hot here. It is now ~35C outside. | 08:00 |
| _Sime | Tonio_: It came out and I thought "oh that's what tartar blah actually means. ok I'll try it". culture etc etc. ;-) | 08:01 |
| _Sime | Riddell: the big 4 day walking/march thing which they have in Nijmegen was cancelled after one day... | 08:01 |
| _Sime | Riddell: due to the heat. | 08:02 |
| _Sime | Riddell: it is a big deal around here. | 08:02 |
| Riddell | can anyone on dapper tell me what's in /etc/X11/config/cf ? | 08:02 |
| _Sime | Riddell: I'll have some time to hack on stuff next week. Hopefully the computer room will be below 30C. | 08:03 |
| _Sime | Riddell: I see a bunch of *.cf files in /cf. Compile info for different platforms for some buildsystem which I can't recognise... | 08:05 |
| abattoir | Riddell: a bunch of *.cf files | 08:05 |
| abattoir | Riddell: want me to pastebin the list? | 08:05 |
| Riddell | abattoir: no that's fine thanks | 08:05 |
| Riddell | big question is where did they go in edgy | 08:05 |
| abattoir | Riddell: they seem to be present in my edgy install | 08:06 |
| Riddell | abattoir: could you do a dpkg -S /etc/X11/config/cf/Imake.tmpl | 08:07 |
| _Sime | Riddell: /cf belongs to the imake package | 08:07 |
| abattoir | Riddell: i'm currently in dapper, do you want me to switch to edgy? | 08:07 |
| abattoir | i mean, boot up edgy? | 08:07 |
| abattoir | ok, brb | 08:08 |
| Riddell | edgy doesn't seem to have imake any more | 08:09 |
| nixternal | http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/sets/72157594204855756/ | 08:09 |
| _Sime | Riddell: the new build system for xorg? | 08:10 |
| aliasfred | nixternal: isnt there a bounty to remove all 'linux for human being' from ubuntu communication ? :) | 08:11 |
| nixternal | i think i seen either a bounty or a spec on it | 08:11 |
| nixternal | we don't want to discriminate against the aliens i guess ;) | 08:11 |
| Riddell | ah hah, they've moved to /usr/lib/X11/config/ | 08:12 |
| aliasfred | https://launchpad.net/bounties/all-linux-for-humans <- this one :) | 08:12 |
| aliasfred | yep all aliens and animals want to use ubuntu too :) | 08:12 |
| aliasfred | just telling that, sticker have to be spread :) | 08:13 |
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| abattoir | Riddell: sorry, what was the file again? | 08:19 |
| Tonio_ | this kio-locate build issue drives me nuts........... | 08:20 |
| Riddell | abattoir: /etc/X11/config/cf/Imake.tmpl | 08:20 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: tried asking ita? | 08:21 |
| abattoir | Riddell: that file is not there | 08:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I don't know him | 08:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: who is he ? | 08:21 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: he's KDE's scons fan, usually on #kde-devel | 08:21 |
| Riddell | abattoir: how about in /usr/lib/X11/config/? | 08:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it looks like a code issue, not a scons one finally | 08:21 |
| Tonio_ | http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:T-EVyQzWbFsJ:kde-apps.org/content/show.php%3Fcontent%3D17201%26forummode%3D2%26forumpage%3D12%26forumexplevel%3D0%26forumthread%3D142743%26PHPSESSID%3Da2ff5e67514c6e9ca3ff9bbf70f49609+Taskmaster.py+_find_next_ready_node+locate&hl=fr&gl=fr&ct=clnk&cd=3&ie=UTF-8 | 08:21 |
| Tonio_ | here is the kde-apps page, and other personns sedems to have the same issue with it... | 08:22 |
| abattoir | Riddell: i'll, look, one sec, here's whats there in /etc/X11/config/cl http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18373 | 08:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the problem with scons is that the error output is completly crappy | 08:22 |
| abattoir | Riddell: there is no config file/folder in /usr/lib/X11 or /usr/lib64/X11 | 08:24 |
| Riddell | abattoir: install imake | 08:24 |
| abattoir | Riddell: already installed | 08:25 |
| abattoir | 1.0.1-0ubuntu3 | 08:25 |
| Riddell | abattoir: and nothing in /usr/lib/X11/config/ ? | 08:28 |
| abattoir | Riddell: as i said, there is no config folder | 08:29 |
| abattoir | Riddell: only 'locale rgb.txt x11perfcomp xkb and xsm' | 08:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I just tested and it looks like the dapper kio-locate source package fails to build in an edgy chroot....... | 08:37 |
| Riddell | abattoir: well I have them in there, so it's good for me :) | 08:37 |
| Tonio_ | messy scons..........; | 08:37 |
| abattoir | Riddell: anything else you want to check? | 08:37 |
| abattoir | my user a/c has been messed up.. have to check that out... | 08:38 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: nasty | 08:39 |
| Riddell | abattoir: that's all thanks | 08:39 |
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| lnxKDE | ubuntu-edgy ready for testing? | 10:12 |
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| Riddell | lnxKDE: works for me | 10:14 |
| lnxKDE | :) | 10:14 |
| lnxKDE | KDE 3.5.3? | 10:14 |
| lnxKDE | or KDE svn? | 10:14 |
| pygi | abattoir: poke? | 10:16 |
| abattoir | pygi: hello :) | 10:16 |
| pygi | I am back ... kinda at least :) | 10:17 |
| abattoir | pygi: oh, ok cool :) | 10:17 |
| lnxKDE | Riddell : ? | 10:18 |
| pygi | abattoir: sorry, #banyan* | 10:18 |
| abattoir | pygi: ok, sure | 10:18 |
| abattoir | lnxKDE: edgy has KDE 3.5.3 | 10:23 |
| lnxKDE | ok | 10:23 |
| lnxKDE | thankx | 10:23 |
| imbrandon | [14:58] <focker2> what would you call one with Rat Poison wm? | 10:23 |
| imbrandon | [14:59] <jhutchins_wk> Ratbuntu | 10:23 |
| imbrandon | gah | 10:23 |
| imbrandon | wrong windows sorry | 10:24 |
| pygi | imbrandon: :) | 10:24 |
| imbrandon | that is kinda funny though ;P | 10:24 |
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| Tonio_ | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarghhhhh ! | 10:45 |
| Tonio_ | I'm getting crazy | 10:45 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: kio-locate? | 10:46 |
| Tonio_ | yes :'-( | 10:46 |
| Tonio_ | even with a simple scons configure && scons && sudo scons install, it fails | 10:46 |
| Tonio_ | I don't understand the point | 10:46 |
| Tonio_ | I assume it is supposed to work for some people since they report it works.... | 10:46 |
| Tonio_ | I'm playing with all sconstruct file parameters, but nothing changes... | 10:47 |
| Tonio_ | and the error is totally ununderstandable | 10:47 |
| Tonio_ | 4 hours turning arround this issue.... | 10:47 |
| === Tonio_ definitly hads scons to his "shit list" | ||
| imbrandon | hehe | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: can you imagin the error output is this : | 10:48 |
| Riddell | don't worry, you could be battling with KConfigXT like me :) | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | scons: *** Dependency cycle: doc/en/index.cache.bz2 -> doc/en/index.cache.bz2 -> /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kio-locate/index.cache.bz2 -> install | 10:48 |
| Tonio_ | File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/SCons/Taskmaster.py", line 292, in _find_next_ready_node | 10:48 |
| imbrandon | ouch | 10:49 |
| Tonio_ | is that supposed to be human understandable ? | 10:49 |
| Tonio_ | imbrandon: but the most funny, I'm deleting doc/index/cache/bz2, and then : | 10:50 |
| Tonio_ | cd doc/en && meinproc --check --cache index.cache.bz2 index.docbook | 10:50 |
| Tonio_ | Install file: "doc/en/index.cache.bz2" as "/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kio-locate/index.cache.bz2" | 10:50 |
| Tonio_ | it takes it from the build cache and that works.......... | 10:51 |
| imbrandon | heh not kool | 10:51 |
| Tonio_ | so I have a workarround, but that really nasty | 10:51 |
| Tonio_ | I can delete the file during the build via a rules entry, and that should work | 10:51 |
| imbrandon | yea | 10:51 |
| Tonio_ | but that would be the nastier workarround of all the ubuntu history :) | 10:51 |
| imbrandon | grrr why cant apple make iTunes foss, i mean it already runs on bsd+microkernel shouldent be that hard to port | 10:52 |
| imbrandon | lol @ Tonio_ | 10:52 |
| imbrandon | heh dunno i've seen some crazy stuff but yea | 10:52 |
| imbrandon | hrm i think i got this all backed up | 10:53 |
| Tonio_ | scons is like java | 10:53 |
| imbrandon | almost time to reload | 10:53 |
| === imbrandon is scared of java | ||
| Tonio_ | it makes things easier for developpers, but sucks for all other people | 10:53 |
| Tonio_ | especially packagers and sysadmins :) | 10:53 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 10:53 |
| imbrandon | brb phone | 10:54 |
| Tonio_ | okay | 10:54 |
| Tonio_ | I'm sending an email upstream, since I don't think I'll find... | 10:54 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: ping ma poule ? | 10:59 |
| raphink | heu | 10:59 |
| raphink | tu fais ce que tu veux avec ta poule | 10:59 |
| raphink | mme la pinguer si tu veux | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: j'ai besoin d'tre sur que c pas un probleme local | 10:59 |
| raphink | de quoi, ta poule? | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | tu peux prendre le tarball de kio-tlocate et tenter de le compiler ? | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | ca prend 10 secondes | 11:00 |
| raphink | tu as essay sur tiber? | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | y a rien | 11:00 |
| raphink | rien quoi? | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | kio-locate n'est pas dans debian | 11:00 |
| raphink | moi je builde sur tiber | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | oups tiber pardon | 11:00 |
| raphink | y'a un pbuilder-edgy dessus | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | bah ecoute, j'ai pas envie de puluer tiber | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | et je sais mme pas si j'ai acces au shell :) | 11:00 |
| raphink | ben je vais le faire ta place alors | 11:00 |
| raphink | j'ai plus de pbuilder l | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | non mais c pas l'histoire de pbuilder la | 11:00 |
| raphink | mon disque /var est plant | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | ca foire mme en compile locale | 11:01 |
| raphink | si tu as accs au shell sur tiber | 11:01 |
| Tonio_ | et c'est exactement le mme probleme | 11:01 |
| Tonio_ | donc soit ma machine bug severe | 11:01 |
| Tonio_ | soit y a une violente cougnette dans la soupe | 11:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the workarround works.......... but I would be ashamed uploading a package with this.... | 11:01 |
| Tonio_ | would you be okay ? | 11:02 |
| === raphink va sur tiber pour regarder | ||
| Tonio_ | the workarround consists in deleting the index.cache.bz2 and let scons taking back from its cache | 11:02 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what's the workaround? | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | then it gets installed without any issue | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | but this is really dirty | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | but it works... | 11:03 |
| Tonio_ | and the package is nice | 11:03 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: well you need an UVF exception anyway, you could request that and if you don't get a better answer for fixing it in the mean time upload with the workaround | 11:03 |
| Tonio_ | okay | 11:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: are we already in uvf now ?????? | 11:04 |
| Tonio_ | or is it just for knot 1 | 11:04 |
| raphink | 0.4.4 Tonio_? | 11:04 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: 0.4.5 | 11:04 |
| Tonio_ | le packet n'y est pas | 11:05 |
| raphink | ah j'ai pas a | 11:05 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: for main we are yes | 11:05 |
| Tonio_ | c pour ca que j'aurai voulu que tu testes la compil localement | 11:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay... very soon... | 11:05 |
| Tonio_ | I'l contact upstream to try to get a better answer, and if nothing comes arround, I'll do an uvfe | 11:05 |
| Tonio_ | let's go onto kwlan, we need this :) | 11:06 |
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| raphink | tu as le paquet puor la 0.4.5 qqpart Tonio_? | 11:07 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: je te dcc le tarball | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | tu peux juste stp tenter une compil locale ? | 11:08 |
| raphink | k | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | pas besoin de packet, le bug n'est pas la | 11:09 |
| raphink | j'attend :) | 11:09 |
| raphink | ah | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | voila | 11:09 |
| raphink | j'aime pas compiler en local | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | avec scons tu peux desinstaller | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | c le seul avantage de cette chiotte :) | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | et pis te bile pas, normalement ca ne va pas s'installer lol | 11:09 |
| raphink | mais bon | 11:10 |
| raphink | pff faut que j'installe scons sur ma machine | 11:11 |
| raphink | a pue | 11:11 |
| raphink | hehe | 11:11 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, will you be arround in a while when hobbsee logs in you think ? ( and could maybe pass a simple message to check her email or she wont be able to login to voyager ) | 11:11 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: boarf.... stp :'( | 11:11 |
| Tonio_ | j'en chie depuis 2 semaines sur ce packet :) | 11:11 |
| raphink | k scons mar | 11:11 |
| Tonio_ | ca c nul :) | 11:12 |
| raphink | bon et puis? | 11:13 |
| raphink | a marche | 11:13 |
| raphink | $ ls -l /usr/lib/kde3/kio_locate.so | 11:13 |
| raphink | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 193693 2006-07-19 23:12 /usr/lib/kde3/kio_locate.so | 11:13 |
| raphink | il m'a bien install et tout | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | koi ? scons configure && scons && scons install | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | pas de bug ? | 11:14 |
| raphink | j'ai un message d'erreur | 11:14 |
| raphink | scons: *** Dependency cycle: doc/en/index.cache.bz2 -> doc/en/index.cache.bz2 -> /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kio-locate/index.cache.bz2 -> install | 11:14 |
| raphink | File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/SCons/Taskmaster.py", line 389, in _find_next_ready_node | 11:14 |
| raphink | mais il est aprs la fin de l'isntall | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | waip, mais le bleme c que le message d'erreur fait planter le build :) | 11:14 |
| raphink | et locate:/ marche bien | 11:14 |
| raphink | ah non | 11:14 |
| raphink | moi j'ai pas d'erreur pendant le build | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | le workarround degueu, c'est de shooter le fichier index.cache.bz2 et refaire scons install | 11:14 |
| raphink | scons: done building targets. | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | t'as pbuild ? | 11:15 |
| raphink | non | 11:15 |
| raphink | j'ai fait en local comme tu m'as dit | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | bah t'as bien une erreur | 11:15 |
| raphink | scons configure && scons && sudo scons install | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | et cette erreur fait planter le build | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | c bien ca le probleme :) | 11:15 |
| raphink | atta | 11:15 |
| raphink | je te file ma trace | 11:16 |
| Tonio_ | pas lapeine j'ai la mme | 11:16 |
| Tonio_ | ca installe tout et t'as ce warning apres | 11:16 |
| Tonio_ | le bleme c que si tu pbuild ca fait planter le build | 11:16 |
| Tonio_ | j'ai un workarround, mais c degueu | 11:16 |
| raphink | je vais me faire un pastebin sur ma machine moi | 11:16 |
| raphink | pastebin.com est flood depuis quelques temps | 11:16 |
| Tonio_ | waip je sais, mais j'ai pas besoin de ta trace, j'ai la confirmation, t'as le mme probleme que moi | 11:17 |
| Tonio_ | donc c pas ma machine | 11:17 |
| raphink | http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/92725 | 11:17 |
| raphink | vala | 11:17 |
| raphink | quand meme | 11:17 |
| raphink | je voulais te la filer quand meme | 11:18 |
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| Tonio_ | je check | 11:21 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: tout pile comme moi | 11:21 |
| raphink | bah | 11:22 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I have a question | 11:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: does a port from debian that isn't actually in ubuntu needs to be reviewed as a new package on revu ? | 11:26 |
| Tonio_ | kwlan is in debian unstable but not ubuntu actually | 11:26 |
| crimsun | no, it doesn't | 11:27 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun: so I can upload it directly to universe, great | 11:27 |
| crimsun | no | 11:27 |
| crimsun | don't do that, wait for it to sync from Debian | 11:27 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun: hum, okay, but if the package requires a few changes (rosetta patches etc...), what to do then ? | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | wait and then only provide the changes ? | 11:28 |
| crimsun | Tonio_: oh, you can merge directly into universe, sure | 11:29 |
| crimsun | sorry, didn't have the merge context | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | crimsun: okay, thanks :) | 11:29 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: a port? | 11:29 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: you would want a sync in that case, unless something really needs to be changed | 11:29 |
| crimsun | although, to be honest, it will be easier to wait til it syncs from Debian and /then/ merge | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, with a bit of ubuntu specifics, of course :) | 11:29 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: no I don't think it needs a revu | 11:30 |
| crimsun | (it doesn't need revu at all) | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well if kwlan is potentially a replacement for wlassistant, rosetta patch is greatly required I think | 11:30 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: sure | 11:30 |
| Riddell | crimsun: waiting isn't going to make it any easier | 11:30 |
| crimsun | Riddell: the end result is the same; I'm just thinking of autosync. | 11:31 |
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| toma | Riddell: digikam, digikam-doc, digikamimageplugins-doc & digikamimageplugins are all being updated in debian now, when they are uploaded, should i file 4 separate sync requests? | 12:02 |
| crimsun | toma: yes. | 12:06 |
| Riddell | toma: you'll need UVF exception first | 12:07 |
| toma | Riddell: arggh. are we in that stage already | 12:07 |
| Riddell | oh wait, it's not in main | 12:08 |
| toma | no | 12:08 |
| Riddell | toma: no problem then, file your sync requests :) | 12:08 |
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| toma | oki. | 12:08 |
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