[12:09] <Tonio_> RichJ: just reading at the log, you are of course already forgiven :)
[12:09] <Tonio_> raphink: at least the uploads have been accepted ;)
[12:10] <raphink> yes Tonio_
[12:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: you'll have no job for six months?
[12:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't want to no
[12:12] <Riddell> abattoir: sure
[12:12] <Tonio_> it is very complicated, but I'm going in a city where I will never find anything...
[12:12] <Tonio_> so let's make a baby for my girlfriend to get enough points to be able to leave to another place
[12:12] <Tonio_> that's the plan :)
[12:12] <abattoir> Riddell: thanks, that'll give me time to figure out rsync and bzr.
[12:12] <Tonio_> we need that she gets points
[12:12] <Tonio_> whe's a teacher, and that's quite complicated in france
[12:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: no wedding plans?
[12:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: probably in a few years, but not still no :)
[12:13] <Riddell> abattoir: search for ddaa's blog on bzr, it explains how to put it all in the supermirror and/or get it listed on launchpad
[12:13] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: looking at kdeaddons now
[12:13] <Riddell> abattoir: although I don't know if oem-installer is listed on launchpad
[12:13] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, will do.
[12:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm, baby before marrage seems the wrong way around
[12:14] <Hobbsee> does to me too, but
[12:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can understand this, but that's commonhere in france now
[12:14] <Hobbsee> i guess some people like doing it the other way around
[12:14] <Tonio_> I have a friend of mine who is african
[12:14] <Tonio_> is parents got married when they were 70 years old
[12:15] <Hobbsee> wow!
[12:15] <Riddell> ubuntu's gone all blue
[12:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: its' just your eyes, going crazy.
[12:15] <Tonio_> simply a problem of culture
[12:15] <Tonio_> baby before marriage is very common in france
[12:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that very different in scotland ?
[12:16] <Riddell> it would be frowned upon in polite society
[12:16] <Hobbsee> interesting...
[12:16] <abattoir> Riddell: i cant seem to find it on LP, should i ask Kamion about it tomorrow?
[12:17] <Tonio_> well in my view marriage is only a signed paper
[12:17] <Riddell> it's important especailly if the woman takes a long career break for the baby, then marrage means she gets a share of the guy's pension
[12:17] <Tonio_> especially when you know 50% of the people are splitting up after this
[12:17] <Riddell> abattoir: I think he just puts it on a webserver, in which case you can do the same, do you have a suitable webserver?
[12:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: no need to be married for this in france
[12:18] <Tonio_> we have another thing that is equivalent to marriage, called "pacs"
[12:18] <abattoir> Riddell: i have the one you gave me, muse.19inch.net :)
[12:18] <Riddell> abattoir: perfect
[12:18] <abattoir> Riddell: I hope i can use it till the end of SoC, i'll find a host after that...
[12:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: it gives the equivalent rights than getting married
[12:18] <Riddell> abattoir: yeah, that's fine
[12:18] <abattoir> Riddell: ok, thanks
[12:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: do you that?
[12:19] <Tonio_> yes
[12:19] <Tonio_> in fact marriage in now just a matter of culture in france, but the technical thing is more "pacs" than marriage
[12:19] <Hobbsee> oh no, who's broken down now....
[12:19] <Tonio_> it is especially usefull for gays, since pacs is allowed for them too
[12:20] <Tonio_> and as marriage is **very** expensive, I prefer to wait and make a great party with all of my friends in a few years
[12:23] <Hobbsee> poor dad.
[12:23] <Hobbsee> he broke down on a major freeway, in peak hour traffic.
[12:25] <RichJ> heh, tell um to call my daughter's god mother...she'll come pick um up
[12:25] <RichJ> they are greek..and talk really weird..it is a combo greek+aussie accent
[12:26] <RichJ> my daughter speaks greek fluently and has a hard time understanding
[12:26] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:31] <kwwii> night all
[12:31] <kwwii> sleep well
[12:33] <Hobbsee> is there any point in updating knetworkmanager?
[12:36] <Riddell> sure
[12:39] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why would i be having trouble building it from svn?  or is it really building, but not obviously updating
[12:42] <Riddell> I don't follow
[12:43] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm using the script found http://en.opensuse.org/Projects/KNetworkManager to get the source from svn.
[12:44] <Hobbsee> Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/XesMjm87.html is the build log
[12:45] <Riddell> it seems to think nothing needs compiled
[12:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, and i'm not sure why
[12:45] <Riddell> "Checked out revision 563954." that would have files above it if anything had changed
[12:46] <Hobbsee> it didnt even do a compile in the first svn revision i grabbed
[12:49] <Hobbsee> odd
[12:52] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: uploading
[12:53] <imbrandon> all of them ?
[12:53] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: no, just kdeaddons
[12:53] <Hobbsee> havent tested the others yet
[12:53] <imbrandon> heh ok
[12:55] <Hobbsee> whee...slow upload.
[12:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: are there lots of changes in knetworkmanager ?
[12:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: Successfully uploaded packages.
[12:57] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i'm not sure, probably not that many...
[12:57] <Tonio_> because I was waiting for 0.1 to be released to update the package
[12:57] <Hobbsee> based on the commit messages
[12:57] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that's the reason I didn't at the moment
[12:57] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ah right, okay.  i was only playing with it cos my wifi card wasn tworking :P
[12:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's the status of kio-locate?
[12:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: still searching for a solution
[12:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's the problem?
[12:57] <Tonio_> I was about to contact upstream
[12:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: a very strange and weird build issue with scons
[12:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: afaik, it has to be fixed upstream, but I don't know scons enought to patch it myself
[12:58] <Riddell> right
[12:58] <Riddell> shame tvo seems to have left us
[12:59] <uniq> imbrandon: did you do libqtpod and ipodslave? 
[12:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: this is a very rare issue (5 or 6 results in google)
[12:59] <imbrandon> uniq, was working on it now
[12:59] <imbrandon> uniq, unless you have it done
[01:00] <imbrandon> ;P
[01:00] <uniq> imbrandon: i have libqtpod done.. (not tested). if you want it.. 
[01:00] <imbrandon> ok
[01:00] <Tonio_> but there are people that have found the solution for other apps, so I'l send a few mails and wait for a response, especially from upstream
[01:00] <Hobbsee> if anyone's thinking of stealing my ktrack, dont bother.  kpowersave and powersave are on REVU, if someone wants to fixed my broken versions.
[01:00] <Hobbsee> breakfast time.
[01:00] <imbrandon> uniq imbrandon@kubuntu.org please
[01:00] <imbrandon> or a link hehe ( i'm on the lappy atm )
[01:00] <uniq> imbrandon: i'll put it on the web.. hang on.
[01:01] <imbrandon> ok
[01:01] <RichJ> brown.freenode.net/#kubuntu-devel    <-- in irssi, really quick, how can i shrink that?
[01:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll let ou know, but I hope to have a working package in 2 or 3 days
[01:05] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: concerning the wifi, I'll come soon with a kwlan package, which you should have a look at
[01:05] <Tonio_> seems to work pretty nicelly
[01:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: only thing I can confirm is that build fails with both mini-scons and the standalone scons, in any version
[01:09] <Tonio_> the point is I'm sure it works for upstream since I don't see a developper releasing something that fails to compile out of the box...
[01:09] <Tonio_> that's why it is probably better to contact him
[01:09] <RichJ> http://home.comcast.net/~nixternal/images/misc/tmp/edgy1.png
[01:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: can \sh have a look maybe ? I think he is pretty good with python and scons
[01:10] <Tonio_> \sh_away: if you read this when you're back... :)
[01:11] <Tonio_> I have to wake up at 4 am to finish the doc.....
[01:11] <Riddell> I'm sure \sh_away would love to look at kio-locate
[01:12] <imbrandon> RichJ, that desktop logo looks like something my daughter would teeth on
[01:12] <RichJ> haha ya
[01:12] <RichJ> ubuntu cristal
[01:19] <uniq> imbrandon: libqtpod is at http://ubuntu.lnix.net/misc/libqtpod/ - not tested, not uploaded, just made. :)
[01:19] <uniq> now, i'm going to bed. nite.
[01:20] <imbrandon> uniq, gnight , thanks
[01:26] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ooh, nice, does it do WPA?
[01:30] <Seveas> nose*
[01:34] <Riddell> no voilence around here please
[01:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: even for Seveas?  but he deserves it!
[01:34] <uniq> imbrandon: noticed a little problem with libqtpod.. on line 39 in debian/rules, change "usr/include/qtpod/" to "usr/include/libqtpod/"
[01:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you're reminding me of your "children, children" line from a few weeks ago :P
[01:52] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: you either didnt set up your apt mirror, or it's not working
[01:53] <imbrandon_> i dident set it up yet for edgy, its still syncing ( 22+gigs of downloads  )
[01:53] <imbrandon_> updating what ? heh
[01:54] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: voyager
[01:54] <Hobbsee> ah, fair enough
[01:56] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: did you see if the first two had hit yet?
[01:56] <freeflying> morning all
[01:56] <imbrandon_> moins freeflying
[01:56] <Hobbsee> hi freeflying, jsgotangco 
[01:57] <jsgotangco> good morning
[01:58] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee, looks like bibletime is all that came accross -changes
[01:58] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: cool, and kdeaddons?
[01:58] <imbrandon_> dunno still looking
[01:58] <imbrandon_> dont see it though
[02:00] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: search for imbrandon?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> awwww...
[02:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: yeah, right.  damn.
[02:01] <Hobbsee> Rejected:
[02:01] <Hobbsee> Signer is not permitted to upload to the component 'main' of file 'kdeaddons_3.5.3-0ubuntu4.dsc'
[02:02] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: you'll have to poke Ridd*ell, rap*hink or Ton*io_ for that.
[02:02] <crimsun> or me.
[02:02] <Hobbsee> or crimsun 
[02:03] <crimsun> do you have free rein to upload kde despite main being frozen for K-1?
[02:03] <crimsun> you -> kubuntu devs
[02:03] <Hobbsee> crimsun: no
[02:03] <Hobbsee> crimsun: not for main
[02:03] <crimsun> so main's frozen for kde, too? ok.
[02:03] <Hobbsee> crimsun: i was told "main is frozen, dont touch"
[02:03] <Hobbsee> i believe so
[02:03] <crimsun> right, that's my understanding, but edubuntu and xubuntu have exceptions
[02:04] <crimsun> (as long as nothing touches ubuntu)
[02:04] <crimsun> we wait, then
[02:04] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ah...okay then...i'd have to ask on that one
[02:06] <robotgeek> hmm, we are frozen for edgy already?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: no, just for flight 1 cd
[02:06] <Hobbsee> s/flight/knot/
[02:06] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: so i saw.  i got motu, this morning :)
[02:06] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: congrats!
[02:07] <Hobbsee> robotgeek: :)
[02:07] <crimsun> robotgeek: yeah dude, we're frozen, we're releasing edgy this weekend and swapping codebase to use Vista next week.
[02:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[02:07] <robotgeek> crimsun: i wouldn't expect anything less :)
[02:11] <RadiantFire> fun...
[02:12] <imbrandon_> vista ? i thought it was vista+1
[02:12] <crimsun> well let's not push into duke nukem forever territory
[02:12] <imbrandon_> sabdfl should name edgy+1 <something> vista , just to see ms crawl
[02:12] <RadiantFire> oh, but whats his name pledged to neve rhave a delay as long as vista...
[02:19] <RadiantFire> why turning into icicle?
[02:19] <Hobbsee> RadiantFire: very cold
[02:57] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: ouch, w.r.t. boson-base - did you ever run lintian on it?
[02:58] <Lathiat> i seem to recall boson-base was quite terrible comign from debian
[02:58] <Lathiat> tho ic ould be wrong
[02:58] <imbrandon> i did nothing but rebuild them as riddell said ;P feel free to do whatever 
[02:58] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: yeah, it is.  cvs dirs all over the place.
[02:58] <Hobbsee> Lathiat: do i care about removing all the cvs stuff, or what?
[02:59] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, poke upstream to clean it up also then ;)
[02:59] <imbrandon> ehheheh
[02:59] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: go for it  :P
[03:00] <imbrandon> heh 
[03:01] <imbrandon> ok Hobbsee ping my other self in a pm about the package comments please and i'll get to them when i get back upstairs ( can see now that i'm gonna have to start a todo list )
[03:01] <imbrandon> hehe
[03:01] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: okay.  your dekorator patch is fubar'd
[03:02] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: for some reason, you've modified config.guess and config.sub
[03:02] <imbrandon> no thats something else
[03:02] <crimsun> are you guys aware of filterdiff(1)? :-)
[03:02] <imbrandon> the tar gz isnt what .... welll i said skip that one anyhow \
[03:03] <imbrandon> filterdiff? no
[03:04] <Hobbsee> crimsun: nope?
[03:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: you did?  right.
[03:04] <Hobbsee> i must have missed that
[03:04] <imbrandon> yea , well i thought i told you, might have been someone else but yea
[03:04] <imbrandon> skip that one
[03:05] <crimsun> config.{guess,sub} can be filtered out of a diff.gz
[03:05] <imbrandon> ahh
[03:05] <imbrandon> crimsun, do tell ;P
[03:05] <crimsun> if debian/rules has references to them, it's assumed that you build-dep on autotools-dev anyhow
[03:06] <crimsun> in which case any diff for config.{guess,sub} is pretty redundant
[03:08] <imbrandon> hrm ok brb afkish
[03:12] <Hobbsee> er, imbrandon_ you twit...
[03:14] <imbrandon_> ...
[03:15] <imbrandon_> Hobbsee,  ??
[03:15] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: libgamin0's a dep, not a build dep.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> well, it's no longer either, i guess, but it never was a build dep :P
[03:16] <imbrandon_> i said so it dosent build dep on not as a build dep
[03:17] <imbrandon_> .............. /me gos back to what he was doing
[03:17] <Hobbsee> hmmm...
[03:18] <imbrandon_> also from Riddell's wiki ( where i got it from ) : After Knot 1, assuming we decide to keep not using Gamin we need to rebuild these packages so they don't build-dep on libgamin0
[03:18] <imbrandon_> ;P
[03:19] <imbrandon_> anyhow really afk now
[03:19] <Hobbsee> okay
[03:19] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal_ 
[03:20] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: ah, interesting.  that really should say that they depend on libgamin0.
[03:20] <Hobbsee> doesnt matter that much
[03:51] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse 
[03:53] <jjesse> hello Hobbsee, congrats on earlier today :)
[03:54] <jjesse> afk 
[03:54] <Hobbsee> jjesse: thanks :)
[03:57] <Hobbsee> jjesse: repeat after me.  we are developing for edgy, not dapper.
[03:57] <Hobbsee> idiot.
[04:03] <Hobbsee> i blame being cold.
[04:10] <jjesse> we are developing for edgy :)
[04:10] <jjesse> why is someone wanting dapper stuff?
[04:10] <Hobbsee> jjesse: no, i'm just being an idiot.  twice.
[04:11] <jjesse> doh
[04:11] <jjesse> you were up early that's why :)
[04:11] <Hobbsee> jjesse: actually, x3.
[04:11] <Hobbsee> jjesse: ah...is that the problem...yes...
[04:11] <Hobbsee> jjesse: although the first time i didnt realise the package was in main, so it came back REJECTED.
[04:11] <Hobbsee> the other two i tried uploading to dapper.
[04:11] <jjesse> bummer
[04:12] <jjesse> so what new rights do you have now?  the ability to upload to main or ?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> jjesse: just to universe
[04:12] <Hobbsee> jjesse: the meeting log's quite amusing :P
[04:12] <jjesse> grin i saw most of it, i'll have to read what i missed later
[04:12] <jjesse> does that mean you are an motu or ?  a little confused on how that works
[04:12] <Hobbsee> jjesse: yeah, i'm a MOTU
[04:12] <Hobbsee> core dev people are the ones who can upload to main, MOTU to universe
[04:13] <jjesse> do i have to refer to you as mistress Hobbsee now?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> jjesse: no.  you may refer to me as Queen Hobbsee.
[04:14] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:15] <jjesse> grin
[04:15] <Hobbsee> hiya abattoir_ 
[04:15] <abattoir_> hello Hobbsee :)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> jjesse: how's doco going?  seeing as you werent at the meeting yesterday?
[04:16] <jjesse> doc is going slow, not much to update agains yet :)
[04:16] <abattoir> Hobbsee: congratulations, btw :)
[04:16] <Hobbsee> abattoir: thanks :)
[04:19] <jjesse> but now that there is a daily cd out there we can start documenting against the changes, and we also have built up quite the group to go after a switching from windows to ubuntu (and making schanges for kuubntu
[04:19] <Hobbsee> jjesse: nice :)
[04:24] <jjesse> Hobbsee: isn't it like 12pm there or something?
[04:25] <Hobbsee> jjesse: yeah, midday
[04:51] <Hobbsee> imbrandon_: whatever's creating those extra pbuilder dirs on your system is very annoying.
[05:10] <nixternal> adept is broken in edgy?
[05:29] <abattoir> nixternal: for me, in amd64, i had to remove it in order to continue, so yes.
[05:30] <abattoir> continue the upgrade that is
[05:30] <nixternal> ya, it says that db is broke
[05:42] <nixternal> OOo 2.0.3 getting packaged for edgy?
[05:43] <nixternal> OK Dev's, this is what i would like to see for Knot 1 Documentation 'Release Information'
[05:44] <nixternal> I want to know what is in Knot 1 that is huge!!!  Like, what does it have that will make a person go 'Oh Wow Edgy Is Gonna Rock', now don't project the future knots, but what is in knot 1
[05:45] <nixternal> i have .... 2.6.17 kernel...kde 3.5.3 (nothing else yet ;))...Amarok 1.4.1...what else is in front of me that everyone should know about that makes the Kubuntu Edgy Knot 1 release kick @$$
[08:11] <DaSkreech> Well Xen sold out
[08:13] <mornfall> what? :)
[08:13] <mornfall> Domain-0                           0     1750     2 r----- 145514.7
[08:13] <DaSkreech> http://www.xensource.com/partners/microsoft_resources.html
[08:14] <crimsun> that's not selling out
[08:14] <mornfall> yeah
[08:14] <crimsun> remember they're a technology company that specialises in virtualisation. It makes sense to offer interoperability with MS.
[08:14] <mornfall> that's just that MS will be potentially shelling out $$$ for hypervisor know-how
[08:16] <vinboy> i'm worry that Microsoft will but linux and kde one day
[08:16] <vinboy> *buy
[08:16] <mornfall> it's not like they could
[08:16] <mornfall> silly boy
[08:17] <mornfall> as for MS
[08:17] <mornfall> they want linux to run as guest on windows
[08:17] <mornfall> so they can keep domain 0
[08:17] <mornfall> eh eh
[08:17] <mornfall> betas in second half of 2007 ah ah
[08:18] <vinboy> they could if they want to
[08:18] <DaSkreech> vinboy: No they couldn't
[08:18] <vinboy> they can hire army to kill all the linux & kde programmers and take over
[08:19] <DaSkreech> vinboy: No they couldn't
[08:19] <vinboy> but they risk going to jail
[08:20] <DaSkreech> mornfall: What would  they gain by having Linux supported by Microsoft?
[08:21] <mornfall> for MS? or for linux?
[08:22] <crimsun> DaSkreech: it's all about integration for management
[08:22] <DaSkreech> For MS
[08:22] <crimsun> yes
[08:22] <DaSkreech> crimsun: Yeah but if Microsoft already have a Virtualization program what do they want Xen for?
[08:22] <crimsun> in any case, this is step /forward/, not a regression
[08:23] <mornfall> being able to run the better os while keeping the control, that's points for MS :-)
[08:23] <DaSkreech> A step forward would be having MS stuff virtualized on top of a dom0 linux
[08:23] <mornfall> DaSkreech: that already works -- you just need a new intel cpu
[08:23] <crimsun> DaSkreech: MS isn't dumb. They have a number of reasons for licensing the tech, the least of which is recognising their core strengths.
[08:24] <crimsun> Ray Ozzie is not an idiot.
[08:24] <DaSkreech> I know why they would want to have Linux on MS :) thats obvious
[08:24] <DaSkreech> I don't know why they are supporting it
[08:24] <crimsun> again, Ray Ozzie is not an idiot.
[08:25] <DaSkreech> And then with Virtualized Linux servers on top of A Microsoft server
[08:25] <mornfall> well, dom0 is in charge
[08:25] <mornfall> and MS loves to be in charge
[08:25] <mornfall> that's about it i guess :))
[08:26] <mornfall> of course, from the actualy sober perspective
[08:26] <mornfall> it's the actual workhorse systems that matter
[08:26] <mornfall> which would be linux in that scenario
[08:26] <DaSkreech> As I said I know why MS wants linux to run on top of a Microsoft server
[08:26] <mornfall> if anyone of you ever worked with LPAR
[08:26] <DaSkreech> A license is a license 
[08:27] <mornfall> the management console thing is just a very limited unixy system
[08:27] <DaSkreech> The interest in virtualized linux and then supporting it I don't get
[08:27] <DaSkreech> Anyway when Xen gets around to supporting the virtualized AMD's I'll look again
[08:28] <mornfall> virtualized amd's? amd got around to catch up? :P
[08:28] <crimsun> mornfall: there's extensive work in that work (upcoming) from big blue and the hat
[08:28] <mornfall> it already works with intel.....
[08:28] <mornfall> which hat
[08:28] <crimsun> red hat
[08:29] <mornfall> i haven't noticed that
[08:29] <crimsun> (speaking of both the bolts and the management consoles)
[08:29] <mornfall> but, well
[08:31] <mornfall> anyhow, --> offic
[08:31] <mornfall> e
[08:31] <mornfall> laters
[08:32] <vinboy> anyone using 64bit distro here?
[08:35] <abattoir> vinboy: I am
[08:37] <vinboy> abattoir: do u find any specific problem?
[08:37] <abattoir> vinboy: apart from the usual... nothing ;)
[08:38] <abattoir> the usual being lack of proper support for stuff like flash, java
[08:38] <abattoir> however if you are prepared to invest time, there are workaraounds
[08:38] <vinboy> ah... ok
[08:39] <vinboy> wat advantage does 64bit OS has over the 32bit?
[08:39] <vinboy> is it worth the effort?
[08:39] <abattoir> vinboy: for example you can setup a 32-bit chroot to make certain things which dont work in 64-bit
[08:39] <abattoir> vinboy: people say its hard to notice for setup w/ less than 2gigs of ram
[08:39] <abattoir> vinboy: but tbh, i do find it a bit faster than 32-bit
[08:40] <abattoir> vinboy: whether it is worth the effort, is dependent on you... i guess. :)
[08:41] <DaSkreech> abattoir: Are nearly all the repos also mirrored with 64 bit packages?
[08:42] <abattoir> DaSkreech: i think almost all the packages, which can be packaged are available...
[08:42] <DaSkreech> ok
[08:42] <abattoir> certain stuff like wine dont work natively, afaik, hence package doesnt exist
[08:44] <vinboy> oh ok
[08:44] <vinboy> few weeks ago ppl have been talking about 64bit ubuntu is trash
[08:45] <abattoir> vinboy: well, i definitely would disagree with that?
[08:45] <vinboy> :)
[08:45] <abattoir> *!
[08:45] <abattoir> and i'd also like to know what they mean by 'trash' ? :P
[08:46] <abattoir> one of the advantages w/ Ubuntu is that almost all the packages in i386 are also available(like DaSkreech was asking). I have used Mandriva 64-bit and the lack of packages was a major gripe there.
[08:50] <abattoir> DaSkreech: i think i didnt understand you properly there.. were you asking if all the mirrors which have 32-bit packages have also 64-bit ones?
[08:50] <DaSkreech> no
[08:51] <abattoir> oh ok.
[09:08] <mornfall> 64bit os => gentoo effect
[09:09] <mornfall> it was enough work that you really want to believe it was worth something :)
[09:12] <nixternal> Riddell: Kamion applied the fixes to the sources.list issue with the daily build and has uploaded the changes
[09:16] <vinboy> where can I get nice wallpaper for kubuntu?
[09:17] <DaSkreech> kde-look.org
[09:17] <DaSkreech> Or use GHNS
[09:24] <vinboy> GHNS?
[09:26] <DaSkreech> Get hot new stuff
[09:26] <DaSkreech> When you are setting your wallpapaer under the little monitor there is a button that says get new wallpaper
[09:26] <DaSkreech> Click it
[09:33] <vinboy> ic.. thanks
[09:34] <vinboy> tat is so handy
[09:35] <DaSkreech> yUP
[09:40] <vinboy> my Xorg keep increasing it mem usage, now it is at 121mb
[09:40] <vinboy> is that normal?
[09:41] <mornfall> xrestop
[09:41] <mornfall> could be kicker leaking pixmap mem
[09:41] <mornfall> dcop kicker '' restart
[09:41] <mornfall> if that is the case
[09:41] <mornfall> wallpapers eat into x memory as well :))
[09:42] <mornfall> transparent konsole too
[09:42] <mornfall> about anything that deals with biggish pixmaps is mem-expensive
[09:43] <vinboy> how do I check?
[09:43] <vinboy> i did the dcop kicker but the mem doesn't reduce
[09:44] <vinboy> must be something wrong
[11:11] <omeow> vinboy, you could launch ksysguard and filter on memory.
[11:14] <vinboy> thank you
[11:14] <vinboy> does anyone what fonts this screenshot is using? they look good http://kmymoney2.sourceforge.net/images/accounts1.png
[11:39] <vinboy> is there a channel for genbuntu?
[11:39] <Riddell> what's that?
[11:39] <vinboy> gentoo+ubuntu
[11:39] <vinboy> ubuntu's package management with gentoo's compile-from-source
[11:39] <vinboy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=208595
[11:39] <Riddell> yuch
[11:44] <freeflying|away> Riddell: 18's iso can be installed well
[11:44] <Riddell> freeflying|away: desktop or alternate?
[11:44] <Riddell> freeflying|away: powerpc?
[11:45] <freeflying|away> alternate for i386
[11:45] <Riddell> cool, thanks
[11:45] <freeflying|away> :)
[11:46] <Riddell> yay for nixternal doing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Kubuntu/Edgy/Knot1
[11:47] <Riddell> nixternal: Printers in the k-menu is actually a bug :)
[11:47] <Riddell> nixternal: you might want to mention the launchpad integration (Help menu items)
[11:47] <freeflying|away> Riddell: how about the kprinter, I still can't make it work
[11:48] <Riddell> freeflying|away: not at all?
[11:48] <Riddell> freeflying|away: local printer?
[11:48] <freeflying|away> Riddell: samba print
[11:49] <Riddell> ah, more tricky
[11:49] <Riddell> freeflying|away: so you're trying to print to a printer on a windows machine?
[11:50] <freeflying|away> Riddell: ya, but can't make it work
[11:56] <Riddell> does it work from gnome?
[11:58] <freeflying|away> Riddell: never used gnome  :)
[11:59] <omeow> vinboy, looks like dejavu sans or nimbus sans perhaps.
[12:04] <vinboy> thanks omeow 
[12:04] <Riddell> imbrandon_: who uploaded ipodslave?
[12:10] <Riddell> oh, it's not in main, silly me
[12:24] <freeflying|away> Riddell: when will main un-freeze?
[12:34] <Riddell> freeflying|away: looks like Knot will be out today, so in a few hours
[12:35] <freeflying|away> Riddell: edgy enable use bitmap fonts defaut now?
[12:35] <Riddell> freeflying|away: I don't know, antialiasing seems to be broken in KDE for some reason however
[12:48] <MrFaber> hi all
[12:48] <MrFaber> I think I have found a problem with the installer at least with the alternate.
[12:50] <MrFaber> Somebody have choosen shadow as username but he couln't login after installation. It seems that ubuntu or maybe linux has a group shadow per default so this might be the problem. I think that the installer should check which usernames/groups are already in use.
[12:51] <vinboy> how do I set background color for gtk applications?
[01:02] <omeow> Why does superkaramba depend on xmms?
[01:11] <allee> omeow: check changelog. It should be mentioned there.  A look in upstream README is also a good idea
[01:11] <allee> ^^ changelog.Debian is you have it installed
[03:10] <imbrandon> Riddell, ping
[03:10] <Riddell> hi imbrandon 
[03:10] <imbrandon> heya
[03:11] <imbrandon> quick question, if there a way in kds to make the ipod icon ( the one made on the desktop when a ipod is connected ) open ipod:/ in konq and not /media/<mount> ?
[03:13] <Riddell> they have a patch
[03:13] <Riddell> on the whole I'd expect people to use amarok rather than ipod:/ but amarok needs you to manually mount and unmount which is totally unintuitive
[03:14] <imbrandon> yea exactly
[03:14] <imbrandon> heh
[03:14] <imbrandon> would it be worth looking at including the patch in edgy ? i think it would add a bit of polish
[03:15] <imbrandon> since it does add the icon to the desktop i would think it would be only logical to be able to transfers songs etc
[03:15] <Riddell> it would need ipodslave in main
[03:15] <imbrandon> leaste thats what i expected when i opened it hehe
[03:16] <Riddell> and it would need to not get in the way of amarok
[03:16] <imbrandon> yea thats what i thought, thats why i was asking, since it would have to be installed
[03:16] <imbrandon> hrm ok i'll test it a bit over the next day or so and see how it go's wont be hard as i use my ipod and amarok alot
[03:17] <imbrandon> if it does work out is it possible to get ipodslave promoted ?
[03:17] <imbrandon> ( IE before sept 7 )
[03:18] <Riddell> sure, you just need to write a main inclusion report
[03:18] <Riddell> but if there's a new version of ipodslave being packages best wait until that's in
[03:18] <imbrandon> yea  i'm packin it hehe
[03:18] <imbrandon> 0.8pre1
[03:19] <imbrandon> Tonio_, said i could dso it he dident have the time, then he was gonna revu it
[03:19] <imbrandon> anyhow okies, /me goes back to workin on stuff , thanks Riddell
[03:24] <imbrandon> Riddell, btw did you see ipod linux booting with the kubuntu logo on my ipod ;P http://www.buntudot.org/people/~imbrandon/misc/kubuntu_on_ipod_nano.jpg
[03:25] <Riddell> yes, very cool
[03:49] <Hobbsee> hi all
[03:49] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee ;)
[03:51] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon!
[04:14] <Hobbsee> does someone know what the latest version of kat is, and whether it's any more stable than 0.6.3?  Riddell?
[04:36] <Riddell> Hobbsee: kat is sleeping, strigi is the current promise
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, okay.
[04:37] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i swear i'm such a moron today :(
[04:37] <freeflying|away> Hobbsee: have you test kchmviewer on ppc, can it work?
[04:37] <Hobbsee> freeflying|away: i have no access to any ppc
[04:38] <Riddell> freeflying|away: have you tried kmail on powerpc in edgy?
[04:39] <freeflying|away> Riddell: it work one week ago, but now , I don't know, for my ibook was sent to apple for repair the HDD  :)
[04:39] <idrivel> freeflying|away, i hava some quewtions.
[04:39] <idrivel> freeflying|away, plz enter #ubuntu-cn
[04:41] <Hobbsee> yay.  second try at kconfigure works.
[04:42] <Hobbsee> hiya imbrandon 
[04:43] <Hobbsee> whee.  kdar gets an upload.
[04:43] <Hobbsee> s/upload/update
[04:44] <imbrandon> heya
[05:04] <Hobbsee> hi jjesse 
[05:04] <jjesse> hello Hobbsee
[05:04] <jjesse> i hate my work computer
[05:04] <imbrandon> grrr
[05:04] <imbrandon> heya jjesse
[05:04] <imbrandon> i'm hating my home computer atm ;P
[05:04] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:04] <jjesse> hello imbrandon
[05:04] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: which one, and what's it doing?
[05:04] <imbrandon> cant get dam dual monitors working even though the kde display setting say that it is
[05:04] <imbrandon> voyager
[05:06] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, see look http://imbrandon.sytes.net/display.png
[05:06] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:06] <imbrandon> kde says they are both there, but the second monitor is "off"
[05:06] <imbrandon> well not displaying anything
[05:08] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: fun?
[05:14] <jjesse> can someone look at bug #14945 the last comment i made was if this person was having a problem with the issue in dapper, but i don't know if it is part of a bigger issue
[05:14] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 14945 in kdeutils "klaptopdaemon triggers hibernate in incorrect manner" [Medium,Needs info]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/14945
[05:17] <Hobbsee> !info libdar-dev edgy
[05:17] <ubotu> libdar-dev: Disk ARchive: Development files for shared library. In repository universe, is optional. Version 2.3.0-4 (edgy), package size 835 kB, installed size 2928 kB
[05:17] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, i tested out hibernate/suspend today :)
[05:17] <jjesse> does it work good?
[05:17] <jjesse> Hobbsee: can you help me on the bug i just posted?  what status should i put it as ?
[05:18] <Hobbsee> jjesse: kld's getting replaced in edgy anyway.
[05:18] <Riddell> jjesse: it can probably be closed
[05:18] <freeflying> jjesse: recommend using kpowersave  :)
[05:18] <Hobbsee> heh, yeah.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you got a minute?
[05:18] <jjesse> so flag it as closed, fixed in edgy ? or fixed in dapper?
[05:18] <Riddell> Hobbsee: always for you
[05:18] <Riddell> jjesse: fixed in dapper
[05:18] <jjesse> thanks Riddell
[05:19] <hungerW> Suspend to RAM worked on my thinkpad for about 8h since somewhere halfway through the dapper release cycle.
[05:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: two things.  is it worth requesting a sync to fix http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=378431
[05:19] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 378431 in libdar-dev "Subject: libdar-dev is not installable" [Important,Closed]  
[05:19] <Hobbsee> or just patch it here?
[05:19] <freeflying> Riddell: will we use powersave defaultly in edgy?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> freeflying: powersave, with a new frontend, according to the specs.
[05:20] <Riddell> Hobbsee: if it's not a new upstream version then requesting a sync should be the best way
[05:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay, cool.  and i can do that myself now, yay!
[05:20] <hungerW> Riddell: Oh nice, especially since kpowersave can be tricked easily into using pmi;-)
[05:20] <Hobbsee> Riddell: second question, how should i version kopete, so that the source kopete deb overwrites the kopete deb from kdenetwork?
[05:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I'd go for  3.5.4kopete0.12.1-0ubuntu1
[05:21] <jjesse> anyone having any problems w/ me marking bug #15451 as fix released (working for me in dapper)
[05:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 15451 in kubuntu-meta "Kubuntu / KDE SMB network error using openoffice word docs" [Medium,Confirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/15451
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right, okay then.  what happens with the 3.5.4 packages then? automatically rewritten?
[05:22] <Hobbsee> cmvo: you around today?
[05:22] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I'll just make sure not to make kopete packages with kde 3.5.4
[05:22] <Hobbsee> doesnt look like it.
[05:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay, cool.
[05:22] <cmvo> Hobbsee:  Hi!
[05:22] <freeflying> jjesse: this seemed fixed already
[05:22] <hungerW> jjesse: I wouldn't close the bug without feedback.
[05:22] <Hobbsee> cmvo: i redirected your screensaver bug.
[05:22] <omeow> puhleeeeeez sneak these patches in; http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/xinerama
[05:23] <jjesse> freeflying: that's what i thought as i'm not having any problems as i reported a lot of the problems :)
[05:23] <hungerW> jjesse: Dapper has huge problems with suspend/resume in my experience...
[05:23] <Hobbsee> Riddell: did you want to write the UVF exception report for that, too?  i found the changelog...
[05:23] <cmvo> Hobbsee: I've read it, didn't have any time to reply. So, in edgy to different screensavers don't work...
[05:24] <Hobbsee> cmvo: yeah, i tested them all out quite thoroughly :P
[05:24] <hungerW> Hobbsee: I doubt that it will help to write yet another bugreport about my problem:-(
[05:24] <Hobbsee> hungerW: no, i expect not, but kernels seem to make a difference with suspend/hibernate stuff.
[05:25] <Hobbsee> which is kinda nice - my suspend finally works, as long as i modprobe -r ndiswarpper first
[05:25] <hungerW> Hobbsee: Yeap... but since the current edgy kernels do not even manage to boot without going Ooops that is somewhat hard to test:-)
[05:25] <Hobbsee> hungerW: when did that occur?
[05:25] <Riddell> omeow: do you know anyone who could test them?
[05:26] <Riddell> Hobbsee: for what?
[05:26] <jjesse> hungerW: i have a version of edgy running from the last daily cd i downloaded
[05:26] <Hobbsee> Riddell: for kopete, sorry.
[05:26] <cmvo> Hobbsee: I downloaded the 0718 iso, but haven't gotten arount to try it.
[05:26] <omeow> Riddell, me if I could install it on Kubuntu.
[05:26] <hungerW> Hobbsee: And my problem is the button module not getting unloaded anymore... that works fine, but waking up the laptop triggers a shutdown right after resume...
[05:26] <Hobbsee> cmvo: ah cool.  i just dist-upgraded
[05:26] <Hobbsee> hungerW: ahhh...
[05:26] <Hobbsee> hungerW: oh, that darned bug.
[05:26] <omeow> Riddell, Sho_ might be able to try it out too.
[05:27] <omeow> Haven't asked though.
[05:27] <hungerW> Hobbsee: kernel oops? Had that with all 2.6.17 kernels from ubuntu so far.
[05:27] <Hobbsee> hungerW: ouch, okay then.
[05:28] <Riddell> omeow: OK, I'll try and get them in if you promise to test and let me know how they work
[05:28] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I did e-mail mdz with an UVF exception request, no response yet
[05:28] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah right, okay.
[05:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: whee.  how long does it take for p.d.o to be updated with the latest debian packages?
[05:29] <omeow> Riddell, you have my word. But I will be needing instructions on how to get the test packages installed on my machine.
[05:29] <omeow> Will it be test packages or edgy source that I need to compile?
[05:31] <Riddell> omeow: I'll just put it into edgy
[05:31] <omeow> Just tell me when.
[05:31] <Riddell> not today I'm afraid
[05:31] <Hobbsee> jjesse: you're going thru buglists?
[05:32] <omeow> Riddell, I wasn't expecting it today. I meant in general. 
[05:32] <jjesse> Hobbsee: when i have a second @ work while i'mwaiting for things to load
[05:32] <jjesse> it is a hug day after all :)
[05:32] <Hobbsee> jjesse: cool.  amarok buglist needs some love :)
[05:32] <omeow> hmmmm amarok bugs.
[05:32] <Riddell> Hobbsee: see also http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=115144677527998&w=2
[05:32] <jjesse> Hobbsee: going to start at the bugs that i'm subscribed to first and see what are waiting for responses or stil need more info etc
[05:33] <Hobbsee> jjesse: leave the ones that i've marked as "fix committed" as is - i havent got that package uploaded yet.
[05:33] <Hobbsee> jjesse: cool, okay.
[05:33] <Hobbsee> omeow: thanks :)
[05:33] <jjesse> Hobbsee: will do :)
[05:33] <omeow> For what?
[05:33] <Hobbsee> omeow: amarok buglist
[05:33] <omeow> Thanks for reading? :)
[05:33] <omeow> dear christ... 639 bugs.
[05:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: very cool
[05:34] <Hobbsee> omeow: what?  not in amarok, surely...
[05:35] <omeow> Uh yes.
[05:36] <omeow> http://tinyurl.com/z3mec
[05:37] <Hobbsee> omeow: no, not them.  i meant the ones on launchpad
[05:37] <Hobbsee> although a lot of them should be fixed in the newer releases too
[05:38] <omeow> Oh ok.
[05:38] <omeow> I always look at the bko
[05:39] <Hobbsee> omeow: yeah, true.  that's a good place to look as well.  i was actually meaning our launchpad version, and triage, and file the upstream bugs upstream.
[05:40] <hungerW> damn is aptitude SLOW! I am using it for the first time now since debfoster is deprecated:-(
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hungerW: what happened to apt?
[05:54] <hungerW> Hobbsee: I need something like debfoster that kicks out unnecessary cruft when deinstalling. The last debfoster deb had a notice that you should use aptitude if you wanted that feature.
[05:55] <Hobbsee> hungerW: ah, right, yes.
[05:55] <Hobbsee> right, that's got some more of the libgamin fixes done.
[05:55] <Hobbsee> and now i've noticed that they're not separated into universe and main.
[05:57] <Hobbsee> okay, bedtime.  i've only been up for around 20 hours.
[05:57] <Hobbsee> night Riddell, everyone else
[05:58] <jjesse> night queen Hobbsee
[05:58] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:00] <Hobbsee> night imbrandon 
[06:00] <imbrandon> gnight gurl
[06:00] <imbrandon> err yea
[06:07] <nixternal> haha Riddell, the menu thing will be noted as a bug, however i kind of like it there ;)
[06:07] <nixternal> i will check out launchpad integration here in a little bit..thanks for the info !!!
[06:07] <Riddell> nixternal: I've added a screenshot to the Knot1 page
[06:07] <Riddell> nixternal: you could also add a section on KDE 3.5.3
[06:07] <nixternal> cool beans
[06:08] <nixternal> i am working on it as we speak
[06:08] <nixternal> i forgot to add a header on it last night
[06:08] <jjesse> nixternal: have you checked w/ mgalvin to make sure you are using the template that he used for the dapper flights?
[06:09] <jjesse> afk lunch itme :)
[06:09] <nixternal> im following his template from the list of pages he has done in the past...i will contact him and see if he as an exact template or what not right now ;)
[06:44] <Riddell> Lathiat: what's the best order for hosts: in /etc/nsswitch.conf?
[06:48] <Lathiat> uh
[06:48] <Lathiat> http://0pointer.de/lennart/projects/nss-mdns/#documentation
[06:51] <Riddell> hmm, we have an old version of libnss-mdns
[06:52] <jjesse> bug #17735 appears it can be marked fixed released for dapper as there is information in /usr/lib/mime/packages can someone correct me if i'm wrong on this?
[06:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 17735 in meta-kde "kde packages install nothing in /usr/lib/mime/packages" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/17735
[06:54] <Riddell> jjesse: you seem to be right
[06:55] <jjesse> wahoo three bugs down today :)
[06:57] <Riddell> go jjesse!
[06:57] <jjesse> i love it when no one responds to questions when you ask for follow-up: bug #19311
[06:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 19311 in kubuntu-default-settings "dpkg errors on install" [Medium,Rejected]  http://launchpad.net/bugs/19311
[07:55] <Tonio_> hi all
[07:55] <_Sime> Tonio_: Hi,
[07:55] <Tonio_> let's find this kio-locate build error...
[07:57] <Riddell> ooh, _Sime's back
[07:58] <_Sime> i've been away on vacation, and I'll be going again for a few days starting tomorrow.
[07:58] <_Sime> Riddell: how have you been though?
[07:58] <Riddell> I know
[07:58] <Riddell> I've been nice and hot
[07:59] <Riddell> nice holiday?
[07:59] <_Sime> Tonio_: BTW, I was in normandy last week and I had a tartar-uncooked-beef-thingy.... tasted raw.
[07:59] <_Sime> Riddell: yeah, it was nice. Deb hurt her ankle though which made things difficult.
[07:59] <Tonio_> hehe
[08:00] <Tonio_> did you appreciate ?*
[08:00] <_Sime> Riddell: it has been bloody hot here. It is now ~35C outside.
[08:01] <_Sime> Tonio_: It came out and I thought "oh that's what tartar blah actually means. ok I'll try it". culture etc etc. ;-)
[08:01] <_Sime> Riddell: the big 4 day walking/march thing which they have in Nijmegen was cancelled after one day...
[08:02] <_Sime> Riddell: due to the heat.
[08:02] <_Sime> Riddell: it is a big deal around here.
[08:02] <Riddell> can anyone on dapper tell me what's in /etc/X11/config/cf ?
[08:03] <_Sime> Riddell: I'll have some time to hack on stuff next week. Hopefully the computer room will be below 30C.
[08:05] <_Sime> Riddell: I see a bunch of *.cf files in /cf. Compile info for different platforms for some buildsystem which I can't recognise...
[08:05] <abattoir> Riddell: a bunch of *.cf files
[08:05] <abattoir> Riddell: want me to pastebin the list?
[08:05] <Riddell> abattoir: no that's fine thanks
[08:05] <Riddell> big question is where did they go in edgy
[08:06] <abattoir> Riddell: they seem to be present in my edgy install
[08:07] <Riddell> abattoir: could you do a dpkg -S /etc/X11/config/cf/Imake.tmpl
[08:07] <_Sime> Riddell: /cf belongs to the imake package
[08:07] <abattoir> Riddell: i'm currently in dapper, do you want me to switch to edgy?
[08:07] <abattoir> i mean, boot up edgy?
[08:08] <abattoir> ok, brb
[08:09] <Riddell> edgy doesn't seem to have imake any more
[08:09] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/sets/72157594204855756/
[08:10] <_Sime> Riddell: the new build system for xorg?
[08:11] <aliasfred> nixternal: isnt there a bounty to remove all 'linux for human being' from ubuntu communication ? :)
[08:11] <nixternal> i think i seen either a bounty or a spec on it
[08:11] <nixternal> we don't want to discriminate against the aliens i guess ;)
[08:12] <Riddell> ah hah, they've moved to /usr/lib/X11/config/
[08:12] <aliasfred> https://launchpad.net/bounties/all-linux-for-humans <- this one :)
[08:12] <aliasfred> yep all aliens and animals want to use ubuntu too :)
[08:13] <aliasfred> just telling that, sticker have to be spread :)
[08:19] <abattoir> Riddell: sorry, what was the file again?
[08:20] <Tonio_> this kio-locate build issue drives me nuts...........
[08:20] <Riddell> abattoir: /etc/X11/config/cf/Imake.tmpl
[08:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: tried asking ita?
[08:21] <abattoir> Riddell: that file is not there
[08:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't know him
[08:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: who is he ?
[08:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: he's KDE's scons fan, usually on #kde-devel
[08:21] <Riddell> abattoir: how about in /usr/lib/X11/config/?
[08:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: it looks like a code issue, not a scons one finally
[08:21] <Tonio_> http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:T-EVyQzWbFsJ:kde-apps.org/content/show.php%3Fcontent%3D17201%26forummode%3D2%26forumpage%3D12%26forumexplevel%3D0%26forumthread%3D142743%26PHPSESSID%3Da2ff5e67514c6e9ca3ff9bbf70f49609+Taskmaster.py+_find_next_ready_node+locate&hl=fr&gl=fr&ct=clnk&cd=3&ie=UTF-8
[08:22] <Tonio_> here is the kde-apps page, and other personns sedems to have the same issue with it...
[08:22] <abattoir> Riddell: i'll, look, one sec, here's whats there in /etc/X11/config/cl http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18373
[08:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem with scons is that the error output is completly crappy
[08:24] <abattoir> Riddell: there is no config file/folder in /usr/lib/X11 or /usr/lib64/X11
[08:24] <Riddell> abattoir: install imake
[08:25] <abattoir> Riddell: already installed
[08:25] <abattoir> 1.0.1-0ubuntu3
[08:28] <Riddell> abattoir: and nothing in /usr/lib/X11/config/ ?
[08:29] <abattoir> Riddell: as i said, there is no config folder
[08:32] <abattoir> Riddell: only 'locale rgb.txt x11perfcomp xkb and xsm'
[08:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just tested and it looks like the dapper kio-locate source package fails to build in an edgy chroot.......
[08:37] <Riddell> abattoir: well I have them in there, so it's good for me :)
[08:37] <Tonio_> messy scons..........;
[08:37] <abattoir> Riddell: anything else you want to check?
[08:38] <abattoir> my user a/c has been messed up.. have to check that out...
[08:39] <Riddell> Tonio_: nasty
[08:39] <Riddell> abattoir: that's all thanks
[10:12] <lnxKDE> ubuntu-edgy ready for testing?
[10:14] <Riddell> lnxKDE: works for me
[10:14] <lnxKDE> :)
[10:14] <lnxKDE> KDE 3.5.3?
[10:14] <lnxKDE> or KDE svn?
[10:16] <pygi> abattoir: poke?
[10:16] <abattoir> pygi: hello :)
[10:17] <pygi> I am back ... kinda at least :)
[10:17] <abattoir> pygi: oh, ok cool :)
[10:18] <lnxKDE> Riddell : ?
[10:18] <pygi> abattoir: sorry, #banyan*
[10:18] <abattoir> pygi: ok, sure
[10:23] <abattoir> lnxKDE: edgy has KDE 3.5.3
[10:23] <lnxKDE> ok
[10:23] <lnxKDE> thankx
[10:23] <imbrandon> [14:58]  <focker2> what would you call one with Rat Poison wm?
[10:23] <imbrandon> [14:59]  <jhutchins_wk> Ratbuntu
[10:23] <imbrandon> gah
[10:24] <imbrandon> wrong windows sorry
[10:24] <pygi> imbrandon: :)
[10:24] <imbrandon> that is kinda funny though ;P
[10:45] <Tonio_> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarghhhhh !
[10:45] <Tonio_> I'm getting crazy
[10:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: kio-locate?
[10:46] <Tonio_> yes :'-(
[10:46] <Tonio_> even with a simple scons configure && scons && sudo scons install, it fails
[10:46] <Tonio_> I don't understand the point
[10:46] <Tonio_> I assume it is supposed to work for some people since they report it works....
[10:47] <Tonio_> I'm playing with all sconstruct file parameters, but nothing changes...
[10:47] <Tonio_> and the error is totally ununderstandable
[10:47] <Tonio_> 4 hours turning arround this issue....
[10:48] <imbrandon> hehe 
[10:48] <Tonio_> imbrandon: can you imagin the error output is this :
[10:48] <Riddell> don't worry, you could be battling with KConfigXT like me :)
[10:48] <Tonio_> scons: *** Dependency cycle: doc/en/index.cache.bz2 -> doc/en/index.cache.bz2 -> /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kio-locate/index.cache.bz2 -> install
[10:48] <Tonio_> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/SCons/Taskmaster.py", line 292, in _find_next_ready_node
[10:49] <imbrandon> ouch
[10:49] <Tonio_> is that supposed to be human understandable ?
[10:50] <Tonio_> imbrandon: but the most funny, I'm deleting doc/index/cache/bz2, and then :
[10:50] <Tonio_> cd doc/en && meinproc --check --cache index.cache.bz2 index.docbook
[10:50] <Tonio_> Install file: "doc/en/index.cache.bz2" as "/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kio-locate/index.cache.bz2"
[10:51] <Tonio_> it takes it from the build cache and that works..........
[10:51] <imbrandon> heh not kool
[10:51] <Tonio_> so I have a workarround, but that really nasty
[10:51] <Tonio_> I can delete the file during the build via a rules entry, and that should work
[10:51] <imbrandon> yea
[10:51] <Tonio_> but that would be the nastier workarround of all the ubuntu history :)
[10:52] <imbrandon> grrr why cant apple make iTunes foss, i mean it already runs on bsd+microkernel shouldent be that hard to port 
[10:52] <imbrandon> lol @ Tonio_
[10:52] <imbrandon> heh dunno i've seen some crazy stuff but yea
[10:53] <imbrandon> hrm i think i got this all backed up
[10:53] <Tonio_> scons is like java
[10:53] <imbrandon> almost time to reload
[10:53] <Tonio_> it makes things easier for developpers, but sucks for all other people
[10:53] <Tonio_> especially packagers and sysadmins :)
[10:53] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:54] <imbrandon> brb phone
[10:54] <Tonio_> okay
[10:54] <Tonio_> I'm sending an email upstream, since I don't think I'll find...
[10:59] <Tonio_> raphink: ping ma poule ?
[10:59] <raphink> heu 
[10:59] <raphink> tu fais ce que tu veux avec ta poule
[10:59] <raphink> mme la pinguer si tu veux
[10:59] <Tonio_> raphink: j'ai besoin d'tre sur que c pas un probleme local
[10:59] <raphink> de quoi, ta poule?
[10:59] <Tonio_> tu peux prendre le tarball de kio-tlocate et tenter de le compiler ?
[11:00] <Tonio_> ca prend 10 secondes
[11:00] <raphink> tu as essay sur tiber?
[11:00] <Tonio_> y a rien
[11:00] <raphink> rien quoi?
[11:00] <Tonio_> kio-locate n'est pas dans debian
[11:00] <raphink> moi je builde sur tiber
[11:00] <Tonio_> oups tiber pardon
[11:00] <raphink> y'a un pbuilder-edgy dessus
[11:00] <Tonio_> bah ecoute, j'ai pas envie de puluer tiber
[11:00] <Tonio_> et je sais mme pas si j'ai acces au shell :)
[11:00] <raphink> ben je vais le faire  ta place alors
[11:00] <raphink> j'ai plus de pbuilder l
[11:00] <Tonio_> non mais c pas l'histoire de pbuilder la
[11:00] <raphink> mon disque /var est plant
[11:01] <Tonio_> ca foire mme en compile locale
[11:01] <raphink> si tu as accs au shell sur tiber
[11:01] <Tonio_> et c'est exactement le mme probleme
[11:01] <Tonio_> donc soit ma machine bug severe
[11:01] <Tonio_> soit y a une violente cougnette dans la soupe
[11:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: the workarround works.......... but I would be ashamed uploading a package with this....
[11:02] <Tonio_> would you be okay ?
[11:02] <Tonio_> the workarround consists in deleting the index.cache.bz2 and let scons taking back from its cache
[11:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's the workaround?
[11:02] <Tonio_> then it gets installed without any issue
[11:02] <Tonio_> but this is really dirty
[11:03] <Tonio_> but it works...
[11:03] <Tonio_> and the package is nice
[11:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: well you need an UVF exception anyway, you could request that and if you don't get a better answer for fixing it in the mean time upload with the workaround
[11:03] <Tonio_> okay
[11:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: are we already in uvf now ??????
[11:04] <Tonio_> or is it just for knot 1
[11:04] <raphink> 0.4.4 Tonio_?
[11:04] <Tonio_> raphink: 0.4.5
[11:05] <Tonio_> le packet n'y est pas
[11:05] <raphink> ah j'ai pas a
[11:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: for main we are yes
[11:05] <Tonio_> c pour ca que j'aurai voulu que tu testes la compil localement
[11:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay... very soon...
[11:05] <Tonio_> I'l contact upstream to try to get a better answer, and if nothing comes arround, I'll do an uvfe
[11:06] <Tonio_> let's go onto kwlan, we need this :)
[11:07] <raphink> tu as le paquet puor la 0.4.5 qqpart Tonio_?
[11:08] <Tonio_> raphink: je te dcc le tarball
[11:08] <Tonio_> tu peux juste stp tenter une compil locale ?
[11:08] <raphink> k
[11:09] <Tonio_> pas besoin de packet, le bug n'est pas la
[11:09] <raphink> j'attend :)
[11:09] <raphink> ah
[11:09] <Tonio_> voila
[11:09] <raphink> j'aime pas compiler en local
[11:09] <Tonio_> avec scons tu peux desinstaller
[11:09] <Tonio_> c le seul avantage de cette chiotte :)
[11:09] <Tonio_> et pis te bile pas, normalement ca ne va pas s'installer lol
[11:10] <raphink> mais bon
[11:11] <raphink> pff faut que j'installe scons sur ma machine
[11:11] <raphink> a pue
[11:11] <raphink> hehe
[11:11] <imbrandon> Riddell, will you be arround in a while when hobbsee logs in you think ? ( and could maybe pass a simple message to check her email or she wont be able to login to voyager )
[11:11] <Tonio_> raphink: boarf.... stp :'(
[11:11] <Tonio_> j'en chie depuis 2 semaines sur ce packet :)
[11:11] <raphink> k scons mar
[11:12] <Tonio_> ca c nul :)
[11:13] <raphink> bon et puis?
[11:13] <raphink> a marche
[11:13] <raphink>  $ ls -l /usr/lib/kde3/kio_locate.so
[11:13] <raphink> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 193693 2006-07-19 23:12 /usr/lib/kde3/kio_locate.so
[11:14] <raphink> il m'a bien install et tout
[11:14] <Tonio_> koi ? scons configure && scons && scons install
[11:14] <Tonio_> pas de bug ?
[11:14] <raphink> j'ai un message d'erreur
[11:14] <raphink> scons: *** Dependency cycle: doc/en/index.cache.bz2 -> doc/en/index.cache.bz2 -> /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kio-locate/index.cache.bz2 -> install
[11:14] <raphink> File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/SCons/Taskmaster.py", line 389, in _find_next_ready_node
[11:14] <raphink> mais il est aprs la fin de l'isntall
[11:14] <Tonio_> waip, mais le bleme c que le message d'erreur fait planter le build :)
[11:14] <raphink> et locate:/ marche bien
[11:14] <raphink> ah non 
[11:14] <raphink> moi j'ai pas d'erreur pendant le build
[11:14] <Tonio_> le workarround degueu, c'est de shooter le fichier index.cache.bz2 et refaire scons install
[11:14] <raphink> scons: done building targets.
[11:15] <Tonio_> t'as pbuild ?
[11:15] <raphink> non
[11:15] <raphink> j'ai fait en local comme tu m'as dit
[11:15] <Tonio_> bah t'as bien une erreur
[11:15] <raphink> scons configure && scons && sudo scons install
[11:15] <Tonio_> et cette erreur fait planter le build
[11:15] <Tonio_> c bien ca le probleme :)
[11:15] <raphink> atta
[11:16] <raphink> je te file ma trace
[11:16] <Tonio_> pas lapeine j'ai la mme
[11:16] <Tonio_> ca installe tout et t'as ce warning apres
[11:16] <Tonio_> le bleme c que si tu pbuild ca fait planter le build
[11:16] <Tonio_> j'ai un workarround, mais c degueu
[11:16] <raphink> je vais me faire un pastebin sur ma machine moi
[11:16] <raphink> pastebin.com est flood depuis quelques temps
[11:17] <Tonio_> waip je sais, mais j'ai pas besoin de ta trace, j'ai la confirmation, t'as le mme probleme que moi
[11:17] <Tonio_> donc c pas ma machine
[11:17] <raphink> http://ubuntu.pastebin.ca/92725
[11:17] <raphink> vala 
[11:17] <raphink> quand meme
[11:18] <raphink> je voulais te la filer quand meme
[11:21] <Tonio_> je check
[11:21] <Tonio_> raphink: tout pile comme moi
[11:22] <raphink> bah
[11:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have a question
[11:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: does a port from debian that isn't actually in ubuntu needs to be reviewed as a new package on revu ?
[11:26] <Tonio_> kwlan is in debian unstable but not ubuntu actually
[11:27] <crimsun> no, it doesn't
[11:27] <Tonio_> crimsun: so I can upload it directly to universe, great
[11:27] <crimsun> no
[11:27] <crimsun> don't do that, wait for it to sync from Debian
[11:28] <Tonio_> crimsun: hum, okay, but if the package requires a few changes (rosetta patches etc...), what to do then ?
[11:28] <Tonio_> wait and then only provide the changes ?
[11:29] <crimsun> Tonio_: oh, you can merge directly into universe, sure
[11:29] <crimsun> sorry, didn't have the merge context
[11:29] <Tonio_> crimsun: okay, thanks :)
[11:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: a port?
[11:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: you would want a sync in that case, unless something really needs to be changed
[11:29] <crimsun> although, to be honest, it will be easier to wait til it syncs from Debian and /then/ merge
[11:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, with a bit of ubuntu specifics, of course :)
[11:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: no I don't think it needs a revu
[11:30] <crimsun> (it doesn't need revu at all)
[11:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: well if kwlan is potentially a replacement for wlassistant, rosetta patch is greatly required I think
[11:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure
[11:30] <Riddell> crimsun: waiting isn't going to make it any easier
[11:31] <crimsun> Riddell: the end result is the same; I'm just thinking of autosync. 
[12:02] <toma> Riddell: digikam, digikam-doc, digikamimageplugins-doc & digikamimageplugins are all being updated in debian now, when they are uploaded, should i file 4 separate sync requests?
[12:06] <crimsun> toma: yes.
[12:07] <Riddell> toma: you'll need UVF exception first
[12:07] <toma> Riddell: arggh. are we in that stage already
[12:08] <Riddell> oh wait, it's not in main
[12:08] <toma> no
[12:08] <Riddell> toma: no problem then, file your sync requests :)
[12:08] <toma> oki.