=== imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@42.Red-83-39-40.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=amaranth@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holycow [n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === whiprush_ [i=97710266@64.62.190.212] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB| [n=ownthebo@ACBDD4D5.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33] lamont, are you around? [01:33] Fujitsu: you're looking to take a merge? [01:33] Hobbsee, I'm looking to have apt-watch rebuilt on ia64. [01:34] And lamont is the only buildd-admin around. [01:34] Fujitsu: ah === imbrandon_ [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ral_hn [n=raul@205.211.251.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:42] Fujitsu: No he's not. [01:42] Ah. [01:42] I would have asked you, infinity, but you're apparently away... [01:43] Yes, well. I spend most of the day at my keyboard wiht my IRC client claiming I'm away. Lamont spends mods of the day AFK with his IRC client claiming he's around. :) [01:43] Anyhow, not sure what you want done about apt-build. It's built on all arches... === RadiantFire [n=ryan@c-69-180-43-27.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:44] Err, apt-watch, not apt-build. I need to learn to read. [01:44] Morning. [01:44] well...the sarcasm is dripping === infinity looks at the right package. [01:44] infinity, good. === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ToadZzZztool is now known as Toadstool [01:50] Fujitsu: built. [01:51] Thanks. [01:51] And then there's the fact that hwinfo hasn't ever built on sparc... But that's due to missing kernel headers, and is long-standing. === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] Kamion: any ideas on this welcome https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/53400 [01:59] Malone bug 53400 in ubiquity "kubuntu ubiquity crashes on hw-detect" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@c-24-13-21-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ral_hn [n=raul@205.211.251.9] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === j_ack [n=rudi@p508D93DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AlinuxOS [n=alinux@d83-176-12-76.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-100-114.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@c-24-13-21-46.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ is now known as asac === sharms [n=mindwarp@cpe-24-208-242-169.twmi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TomB_ [n=ownthebo@ACBD2B83.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === truz_`24 [n=truz_`24@74.129.166.232] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=ownthebo@ACBD2B83.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=nico@p508D93DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@203.23.49.35] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.2.146.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robertj [n=robertj@66-188-77-153.dhcp.athn.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcsmith [n=jcsmith@wv-morgantown-cdnt1-bg1-4c-104.mgtnwv.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@150233.cps.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@150233.cps.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ral_hn [n=raul@205.211.251.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _human_blip_ [n=mike@220.157.65.29] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ral_hn [n=raul@205.211.251.9] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === solid_liq [n=mike@12.206.5.144] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:18] anyone know where I can get a textfile list of ubuntu/kubuntu mirrors? [07:27] toma: pong === Cornellius [n=a@142-217-38-112.telebecinternet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Cornellius [n=a@142-217-38-112.telebecinternet.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c211-28-178-169.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === solid_liq [n=mike@12.206.5.144] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:13] anyone know where I can get a textfile list of ubuntu/kubuntu mirrors? [08:16] solid_liq: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kintaroOe [n=ad0lf@203.177.212.164] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:44] crimsun: thank you [08:47] crimsun: no, I meant a textfile list [08:48] crimsun: I'm writing a script to automatically install all desirable software for a well configured desktop system, and I'd like it to use apt-spy to setup the sources.list as well. I want it to be painless for someone who's never used linux before === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:48] anyone know where I can get a textfile list of ubuntu/kubuntu mirrors? [08:49] I think the wiki page is the best there is, to be honest. In the installer we just use $COUNTRYCODE.archive.ubuntu.com [08:49] Good morning [08:49] (so we haven't had the strong need to have a machine-readable list) === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B247D.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:50] Kamion: good mornign [08:50] I believe our sysadmin who handles mirror issues has some kind of machine-readable list but I don't know if he's ever exported it anywhere [08:50] morning [08:50] Kamion: can I remind you of NEWing the vmware-kernel modules for dapper? [08:50] Kamion: do you know if there's any way I could get ahold of it? [08:50] pitti: thank you, I was just about to ask you to remind me of whatever it was I'd asked you to remind me of. :-) [08:50] solid_liq: ask Znarl when he's around [08:51] Kamion: heh :) [08:51] Kamion: or that he could be talked into exportin [08:51] k [08:51] thaks [08:51] s/thaks/thanks/ [08:51] good morning - HAPPY HUGDAY to everybody! [08:52] pitti: that reminds me, is there any way we could get vmware-tools apt-get installable? [08:52] solid_liq: no idea, I have never ever used vmware, what's the problem with that package? === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:53] pitti: you need to install vmware-tools in an OS that's running in a virtual machine, or you get severly degraded video performance and network performance isn't so great === fnordus [n=dnall@s142-179-111-243.bc.hsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:54] pitti: hmph, somebody newed stuff incautiously last time [08:54] vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.15-25 | 2.6.15.10-7 | dapper-security/restricted | amd64, i386 [08:54] (should be multiverse) [08:54] fixed, I think [08:54] thanks [08:55] vmware-tools is located in a .iso in the vmware-server package, so you have to d/l that, extract the gzip'd tarball, then loopback mount the iso, copy the .tar.gz off, extract that, and finally install. It's a pain [08:55] d/l it into the vmware client that is === carlos [n=carlos@16.Red-88-9-29.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:58] pitti: done === el [n=konversa@u40-30.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rpedro [n=rpedro@87-196-6-63.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:20] morning [09:20] morning sivang [09:20] hey Burgundavia === sivang is glad to see the SATA-PATA bridge bug was fixed in -5-686 [09:25] Yes, booting is nice. [09:25] infinity: my thought exactly :-D [09:25] I'd been running a dapper kernel until yesterday. [09:26] hehe [09:26] was same here :) === Gloubiboulga [n=gauvain@ubuntu/member/gloubiboulga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:29] sivang, which bug is that? === mike_ [n=mike@12.206.1.153] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:30] The "BenC hates Thinkpad T43s" bug. === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:30] (And other SATA-PATA bridged machines) === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:32] pitti: Who do I whine at about hal/g-p-m bugs? You, or dholbach? [09:32] infinity: not me [09:32] infinity: I have zero knowledge about gpm, hal should be fine [09:32] dholbach: So, you then? :) [09:32] infinity: mjg59, Kinnison, ogra and pitti worked on it, afaik. [09:32] grrr@ my ISP, I'm a thin modem wire away from being offline [09:32] dholbach: Kinnison's a non-option. [09:33] pitti: g-p-m gets battery info from hal, yes? [09:33] infinity, whine at me [09:33] :) [09:33] infinity: yes [09:33] hey guys [09:33] infinity: i'm quite sure it's fixed in the merge/update that ogra has been preparing [09:33] i found something fantastic [09:33] http://www.openpegasus.org/ [09:34] is there anybody that would like to package it for me? [09:34] ogra: Oh, if this is a known bug (that g-p-m is COMPLETELY LYING about both my battery's charge level, and the state of my AC plug), then I'll just shut up. I couldn't find the bug. [09:34] yes it works on 2.15 ... but thats waiting for new hal which is waitng for the knot lock [09:38] fabbione: sure, if you can teach me how ;p === mike_ [n=mike@12.206.5.144] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:39] simira: that's the whole point :) === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:41] fabbione: that web site is distressingly unclear about "so what the hell is it?" [09:41] to somebody who does not know the acronyms [09:41] heh, i thought the same [09:41] Kamion: sssshhhh!!!! [09:41] Kamion: It's a solution for leveraging open synergy. [09:41] Kamion: don't tell everybody! that's the whole point.. somebody might need it as much as i do! [09:42] Kamion: since conga B-D on it for about 2 headers [09:42] Kamion: conga being another package i want to outsource.. i know exactly what it does, but it has C++, zope, python, dbus, rpm and snmp stsuff all in one... [09:43] fully buzzword-compliant [09:43] Kamion: conga is the new redhat cluster *web* management system [09:43] you install ricci on the clients and luci on the server [09:43] and you can automatically make coffee across all cluster nodes [09:44] and a katie-style naming scheme to boot! bonus [09:44] Clustered coffee sounds like a bad idea. [09:45] s/bad/very bad/, no less. [09:46] Also, not knowing how much battery you have left is very disconcerting... [09:46] Oh, spiff, the battstat applet works just fine. I'll just add one of those while I wait for g-p-m to stop sucking. [09:48] infinity: erm, you mean there was no battery inside? :) === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] pitti: s/how much battery/how much battery life/ ... Also, ":P" === Zdra [n=zdra@15-17.241.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:50] infinity: what about fixing g-p-m? :) [09:50] seb128: iz gtk bugz [09:50] seb128: Apparently, ogra's working on a big merge that covers this bug, not about to duplicate the effort. [09:51] infinity: not sure if that covers the bug, but new g-p-m is likely to take some time since apparently it requires policekit from hal CVS which is not packaged yet and doesn't make pitti that happy [09:51] infinity, seb128 i havent seen new g-p-m with the new hal yet (due to lack of new hal in ubuntu) [09:51] infinity: it would be nice to get the bug fixed with current version if it takes weeks to do that [09:52] especially that some GNOME upstream people complain to me several times about it [09:52] and we would like to keep those people using Ubuntu :p [09:52] seb128: Sure, now you're just trying to sucker me into fixing GNOME bugs. I see how it is. === pitti is swamped with non-hal stuff ATM, I wouldn't count on new hal in the next days [09:52] hum [09:52] I'm not subtle enough apparently ;) === infinity considers it. === seb128 hugs pitti, no problem :) === dholbach adds infinity to desktop-bugs :-) [09:53] I'll need to dig a bit and figure out where the heck it's getting this info FROM. [09:53] Kamion, Mithrandir, powerpc live is ok so far, but usplash dies half way in the shutdown process and the machine doesnt shut down after pressing enter [09:53] Cause it doesn't match /proc/acpi... And it doesn't match hal (which matches /proc) [09:53] apart from that its a go [09:53] It's a complete fabrication. Woo. [09:53] infinity: afaik gnome-power-manager didn't change since dapper ... so something in the stack changed [09:54] infinity: I think it get the info from hal [09:54] seb128: I thought that too, but lshal has the correct info, and g-p-m is on crack. [09:54] seb128: Anyhow, I'll poke later if bored. [09:54] i think the gnome-applets battery applet gets sane info [09:54] infinity, let me upload the 2.15 source for you to rookery [09:54] dholbach: Yes, the applet is correct. [09:54] dholbach: I added one as a stop-gap for now. :) [09:55] maybe we could lazily ping the g-p-m upstream about the issue, he might now about it and what to do to get it fixed :) [09:55] he'll say it's fixed with new hal and new gpm [09:55] :-p [09:56] Probably, yes. Pinging people about bugs in old releases of their software tends to make them cringe. [09:56] sure, thats his standard answer :) [09:56] ogra: ok, just make sure a bug is filed; I think we can tolerate that for knot-1 [09:56] dholbach: you basically say upstream would not be happy to give some help, sucker [09:56] you will have probs pinging him anyway [09:56] he' [09:56] s moving houses [09:56] seb128: no, that's not what I said [09:56] infinity: 'old releases'? they are talking about cvs head of hal, with a not-yet decided policy backend [09:56] and is on mobile dialup [09:57] infinity: 0.5.7 is still the latest release :( [09:57] pitti: If you're not living in HEAD, you're not l33t. You've been in the free software world long enough to know THAT. [09:57] dholbach: it looked like upstream made some effort to include Ubuntu patches and accomodate it to work fine for dapper by example ... no reason he would not reply to that if he knows what is breaking it [09:57] pitti: that's not edgy enough :p [09:58] infinity: :) (it's not the HEADness that worries me, but the crackfulness of this PolicyShit^H^H^H^HKit === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD950B6E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:58] seb128, you are both right :) hughsie includes what he can but his standard answer is actually "that needs new hal" ;) [09:58] HEADness. Heh. Not HEADitude? Or maybe HEADosity. [09:58] seb128: ok ok ok - i hughsie - better now? ;) [09:58] is that going an another "we don't like upstream and are going to make it differently and rewriting half of the world"? :) [09:59] seb128: I hope not [09:59] dholbach: if he still refuses to reply to a simple question, not really :p [09:59] pitti: it looks like your opinion is "policykit is crap", which basically means "I would prefer not use it" ... where everybody else is going for it apparently [09:59] seb128: however, the Sun people (Artem Kachitchkin) want to replace this system policy daemon with something less crackful, I hope that they'll come up with something [10:00] ah, you are not alone ranting on that one, good :) [10:00] seb128: anyway, I'll take a look and play with it, before I cannot really have a definitive yes or no [10:00] seb128: I just need some time for this [10:00] yeah, I totally understand that [10:01] anyway, enough discussions, better to get work done :) [10:01] today is bug day :) [10:02] speaking of ... === Kamion dives into #47859 [10:02] infinity, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-tarballs/ [10:02] err [10:03] sorry, wrong paste [10:03] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ [10:03] has the 2.15 g-p-m [10:03] ogra: spiffy. [10:04] it wont suspend or hibernate === ompaul [n=ompaul@ubuntu/member/ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:06] Who needs those features anyway? [10:07] infinity: the ones of us that doesn't work 24/7 [10:08] tell that to mdz :) i'd have uploaded it already but he wants it *working* ... [10:08] simira: People who don't work 24/7 are stealing from the company. If they're not employees, then they're mocking the ideal of free software by not giving their all to make the world a better place. [10:10] infinity: oh. I'm sorry then. My mistake. === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=crack@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] ^_^ === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:29] urgh. where's mvo when you need him? python-apt's InstallProgress is fundamentally misdesigned ... === pitti [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:30] Kamion: he'll be back tomorrow afaik [10:30] ah, thanks [10:31] basically it's trying to throw exceptions in a subprocess [10:31] I'd like to have a word with mvo as well, yes... [10:31] which is obviously not very useful because (a) they have a nasty tendency to fire exception handlers in a process that wasn't expecting its control flow to suddenly pop out to the exception handler, (b) how do you propagate the exception to the main process? [10:33] Kamion: does this mean we need Yet Another Rebuild or should ubiquity which is hopefully published about now be ok? [10:34] no no, this bug's in dapper too, don't worry about it === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F53EB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] it's just next on my list, that's all [10:36] oh, ok. [10:37] Kamion, btw, have you been serious when you said you'd jump on dexconf to get it fixed in edgy ? or did i misunderstand that ? [10:39] ogra: no [10:39] (I don't have time for serious dexconf hacking in edgy) [10:39] ok [10:40] (it thought so, thats why i'm asking) === shenki [n=Joel@ppp168-239.lns3.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:41] i'd really love to add a dummy mode for ltsp that only copies an empty xorg.conf in place ... this screen probing is annoying and useless during chroot creation ... [10:42] ogra: make ltsp put an xorg.conf there before X is installed? [10:42] hmm, good idea ! [10:43] iirc, xorg will then just say "whatever" and go on its merry way. [10:43] yep, it will [10:43] even touching the file should be enough ... Mithrandir you made my day ! :) === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-100-078.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mike_ [n=mike@12.206.1.153] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mike__ [n=mike@12.206.5.144] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:10] Kamion: are promotions to main handled during the freeze? === Arbiter [n=arbiter@adsl-33-72.37-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:15] doko: sometimes [11:16] preferably only if they don't touch the CD === chris_ [n=chris@202.63.35.99] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:17] Kamion: libuninameslist, b-d of fontforge [11:18] doko: will do after this publisher run [11:18] thanks === Arbiter [n=arbiter@adsl-33-72.37-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:39] Kamion: should your upload this morning fix the hw-detect problem I was having? === vinboy [n=vinboy@60-234-137-136.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:39] Riddell: yes [11:39] happy hug day, Riddell! [11:40] hw-detect plus the ubiquity upload that includes it === chris_ [n=chris@202.63.35.99] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === RAOF [n=chris@202.63.35.99] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:41] Kamion: great, are we ready to roll some more candidate knot CDs? [11:42] Riddell: Mithrandir's on it [11:42] needs the publisher run that is currently in progress [11:42] cool [11:42] dholbach: hug day already? [11:43] yeah! [11:43] infinity: is the publisher in manual mode? the kernel security updates should have been on the mirrors for 75 minutes now, but still aren't [11:44] Kamion, Mithrandir, did either of you get i386 install running ? i'm left with a black screen after gfxboot [11:44] ogra: worked for me but that was in vmware [11:44] hmm [11:44] pitti: It's running right now... [11:44] I'm rolling new livefs-es with ubiquity 1.1.2 now. === ogra tries other graphics options [11:45] pitti: Though I don't recall seeing kernel stuff in the output. [11:45] ogra: hold down shift to try the failsafe mode [11:45] hum, it hunng completely ... not even capslock ... [11:45] infinity: I got the security lp_archive mail > 2 hours ago, and it didn't indicate any problem; strange... [11:46] ah, ok, in vga moide i get an apic error ... its the i386 kernel not liking my turion [11:47] oh, you mean gfxboot displays fine? [11:47] but after it the kernel falls over? [11:47] Kamion: did we need new alternate CDs? [11:47] Mithrandir: yes, for apt-setup [11:47] Kamion: I'll go make those, then [11:47] sounds good [11:47] pitti: Random package name and version? [11:48] pitti: 2.6.15-26.45? [11:48] infinity: linux-source-2.6.10_2.6.10-34.22.dsc and linux-source-2.6.12_2.6.12-10.36.dsc [11:48] infinity: no, I released the dapper update yesterday already [11:48] Oh, hoary and breezy.. [11:48] infinity: (since this is an 'OMG, the sky is falling' hole) [11:51] doko: please file sync and removal requests separately [11:52] pitti: Upload failed. Unsure why. [11:52] doko: because sync requests can be processed at any time but removal requests can only (AFAIK) be safely processed while the publisher is not running [11:52] so it's not convenient to have both glommed together in one bug [11:52] pitti: I'll poke it back through and see... [11:52] infinity: hm; I uploaded them manually since my network connection crashed while running amber [11:52] infinity: thanks [11:53] infinity: (and yes, most often I use screen, but I forgot it this morning...) [11:55] infinity: hm, I'm also missing openoffice.org2_1.9.129-0.1ubuntu4.1.dsc (and this was ambered normally) [11:55] Kamion: done [11:57] pitti: You forgot to upload the udebs. === Mithrandir hopes that's the linux-source udebs and not the ooo udebs. [11:58] pitti: As for OOo, it's in this publisher run. [11:58] infinity: oh, I see; thank you [11:58] ok, new (20060719) alternate images built. Now test! === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089F9F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:59] Kamion, Mithrandir, all fine, i had to boot with nolapic, now it works fine [12:00] Kamion: is {k,edu}buntu also affected by the apt-setup problem? [12:01] Mithrandir: yes [12:01] apt-setup problem ? [12:01] is that ubiquity ? [12:01] Riddell: I'll build you new ISOs unless you already have done that, then. [12:01] Mithrandir: please do [12:01] ogra_: no. [12:02] hmm, what are the symptoms ? all my installs seems to be fine [12:02] ogra_: apparently, apt-setup wrote botched (or half) sources.list files. [12:02] oh, ok [12:02] i didnt check that :) === ogra_ will look after the running i386 install is done [12:03] wow, portmap with a borked network config takes more than 10 mins to install ... [12:03] when was that netstat stuff added to the postinst ? seems thats holding it up ... [12:05] ah, now it moved on ... [12:07] ogra_: both d-i and ubiquity [12:07] it's not the fault of ubiquity, but it happens in ubiquity === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-250-59-127.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vinboy [n=vinboy@60-234-137-136.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [12:22] ogra: so, you need a rebuild or not? [12:23] Mithrandir, still installing, but if it affects all installs i assume yes ... [12:24] even though i'm not sure we should delay knot 1 for another build for this [12:24] its something we could note under known issues [12:24] i mean, heya, its the first *beta* release ... doesnt need to be perfect ... [12:25] ogra: well, ubuntu and kubuntu are rebuilt, but if you'd want to just put it under known issues for edubuntu, that's your choice. === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.2.146.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:25] nah, if you already rebuilt the others i wannt to stay in sync [12:25] ok, edubuntu building, then. [12:25] i'll care for the isos ... === tuck3r [n=tuck3r@unaffiliated/tuck3r] has joined #ubuntu-devel === el [n=konversa@u40-30.dsl.vianetworks.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:25] ogra: too late. [12:25] heh [12:25] ok [12:26] I had the command ready already. :-P [12:26] i dont want to cause more work than needed for you :) [12:26] Riddell: kubuntu alternate rebuild finished, please test. [12:26] ogra: rebuilding cds is trivial, it was just s/k/edu/ in my previous command [12:27] i know, thats why i dont want to bnother you with such trivial tasks ;) [12:29] I'm building a ubuntu server CD for ipbxs, i can't get the md5sum.txt file to generate right any idea on how to do it right? sorry if i bothered you, just not sure if this falls under "support" [12:30] tuck3r: find -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum > md5sum.txt doesn't give you the right output? [12:31] thats not exactly what i was doing but close, let me try it [12:33] Mithrandir: thanks, are live CDs also coming? [12:34] Riddell: yeah, building ubuntu livefs-es now. I'll do kubuntu ones when they're finished. [12:34] ogra: although I'm generally for not putting too much effort into the first milestone, I think generating a sources.list for everyone that doesn't even have archive.ubuntu.com edgy in it is pretty crap and should be avoided. [12:34] bah ... the installer didnt take my nolapic over to grup ... [12:34] Mithrandir: will you do xubuntu too? [12:35] *grub [12:35] ogra: did you put it after -- on the boot line? [12:35] yes [12:35] Kamion: yeah, Jani mailed me and asked me to. [12:35] after quiet even ... [12:35] ogra: after -- too? [12:35] yes, isnt that before splash quiet ? [12:35] (-- is after quiet already) [12:35] ogra: no! [12:35] i've put it at the end of the line [12:35] so i assume it was after -- [12:36] any parameters you want to have carried over to grub must come after -- [12:36] hmm [12:36] i'll check that with the next install [12:36] you seem unclear, but if you can ensure that you really put nolapic after --, please file a grub-installer bug [12:36] APPEND $KERNEL_PARAMS $DEFAULT_PRESEED boot=casper initrd=/casper/initrd.gz ramdisk_size=1048576 root=/dev/ram rw quiet splash -- [12:36] yup, if i've verfied it ... [12:36] ^-- default boot line [12:37] hmm, if only I had a brain; we could drop a bunch of *-installer modifications just by putting 'quiet splash' after --, I suspect === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:siretart] : knot [12:37] i *think* ive put it at the end ... but i'm not sure anymore ... luckily we have to do another install :) === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:siretart] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with edgy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Knot-1 freeze in effect - uploads to main frozen, ask Mithrandir for exceptions [12:37] sry [12:39] Mithrandir: using your command i still get an error at ./isoboot/boot.cat when i run a check for defects [12:39] ogra: edubuntu install cds done [12:39] tuck3r: rm boot.cat, it's written by mkisofs. === freeflying|away [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cuco [n=diegoloc@local.xorcom.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=ipp@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] Mithrandir: that fixed it thanks, now it fails on md5sum.txt, do i have to change it by hand with the new md5sum of itself? [12:57] tuck3r: or just do find -not -name md5sum.txt -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum > md5sum.txt === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@pD950B6E7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cuco [n=diegoloc@local.xorcom.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] new ubuntu -desktop up, please test. === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] at least once cdimage is done rsync-ing [01:08] Mithrandir: 20060719? === mike_ [n=mike@12.206.1.153] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:10] pitti: yes, both -desktop and -alternate is 20060719 [01:10] ok, thanks for confirming [01:13] ogra: do you need new livefs-es? [01:13] Mithrandir, if there are none with the ubiquity fix, then yes [01:14] ogra: building, then [01:14] thanks [01:15] Mithrandir: well all the md5 checks are fixed but when i go to install it i get "Warning: file://cdrom/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz" i'm think this has to do with my apt-ftparchive conf files [01:16] you need to update /dists/dapper/Release [01:17] oh forget that command :( thanks === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089F9F9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shenki [n=shenki@ppp168-239.lns3.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@76.Red-83-35-136.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:24] hello mdz [01:24] morning [01:25] hey mdz [01:25] not melted yet ? [01:25] mjg59: if S05vbesave runs, my system hangs during gdm startup. if I disable it, all is well. if I run it after X has started, all is also well [01:25] no, it is not as hot here as it was in LA [01:26] well, its hot as hell in germany atm ... [01:29] it was 43C when I left LA [01:30] woah [01:30] ok, thats warmer than the 35 i have here atm [01:31] 42 is just excessive [01:31] yeah [01:31] 35 is still nice if you have a cool place to sit outside [01:32] well after regenerating /dists/dapper/Release it says "Failed to copy file from CD-ROM. Retry?" at load installer components from cd [01:32] hi [01:33] 35 != hot as hell [01:35] mdz, well, depends on your definition of hell :P [01:35] depends on the relative humidity actually ;-) [01:35] more than 30 in germany is *hot* [01:36] heh, right, you're on the seaside additionally ... :) [01:37] it has cooled off some since I left [01:37] will be back up to 39 or so by friday though, according to forecasts [01:38] so you dont stay in europe until wiesbaden ? === ogra_ wonders how much jetlag a human can bear [01:39] ogra: I think mdz is trying to find out. :-P [01:39] heh [01:40] Wiesbaden is one month from now - quite bearable :) [01:41] ogra_: ask Nat Friedman [01:41] heh [01:41] well, he lives in planes, doesnt he ? [01:41] yes [01:43] uhm... i have a question: what are default CFLAGS used by buildd for x86? [01:43] mdz: the problem with UK summers is not their heat but our complete national lack of preparedness for them (i.e. no widespread aircon) [01:44] (and LDFLAGS, CXXFLAGS, if possible) [01:44] pretty much corresponds to our total lack of preparedness for UK winters, in fact (more than an inch or two of snow) [01:44] Kamion: there was a widespread *lack* of aircondition in Spain [01:44] Arbiter: the buildd doesn't force anything; it's just whatever the package uses, and then gcc's defaults [01:44] which you can find in the gcc specs file on your own system [01:44] so, 486 optimizations? [01:45] o.O [01:45] do you have a 486? [01:45] -march=486 -mcpu=pentium4 atm. [01:45] mdz: Have you recently changed hardware? [01:45] mh... [01:45] but dont get caught up in it. [01:45] Arbiter: I see you have not checked gcc's default [01:45] s [01:46] Kamion, nope :D [01:46] gcc -dumpspecs [01:46] dumpspecs is pretty opaque [01:47] mm, true === epx [n=Elvis@200.249.192.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] heh [01:47] not that there is any better way of looking at it.. === mike__ [n=mike@12.206.5.144] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:48] thanks anyway :) [01:49] Arbiter: anyway, failing the above, apt-get source gcc-4.1 and look at debian/rules2 [01:50] sure [01:50] which is pretty much where the default optimisation configure arguments live === ogra_ wonders what Mithrandir rebuilt there, this iso rsync is taking noticeable longer than the others before [01:55] doko: promoted libuninameslist [01:55] ogra: nothing in particular [01:55] ogra_: it probably has the squashfs sorting now [01:55] aha [01:55] Kamion: it's a null sortfile, though.. [01:55] unless I'm mistaken and that was in earlier [01:55] Mithrandir: oh, ok === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:01] Launchpad will be going down in 15 minutes for some brief unscheduled maintenance. Downtime will be approx five minutes. [02:14] bah, now i know why its so slow [02:16] yep, driven with USB 2.0 this disk is a lot faster :) === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:18] Riddell: kubuntu -desktop ready to test [02:19] thanks [02:20] argh, cdrecord was merged from Debian, now it doesn't work as user any more [02:20] oh fun [02:20] did anyone else notice that? 'Operation not permitted. Cannot send SCSI cmd via ioctl' [02:21] i just burned from a knot 1 test install ... worked fine with n-c-b === \sh [n=shermann@server3.servereyes.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:21]