[01:11] <RichJ> http://home.comcast.net/~nixternal/images/misc/tmp/edgy1.png
[01:12] <RichJ> ^^ kubuntu edgy on a lappy runnin' better then dapper has actually
[01:12] <RichJ> this lappy doesnt run hot
[04:15] <jjesse> @time australia
[04:16] <jjesse> @time sydney
[04:16] <Ubugtu> Current time in Australia/Sydney: July 19 2006, 12:16:02
[04:21] <jsgotangco> jjesse: yep you coming? =)
[04:21] <jjesse> i wish, i was just curious as to what time it was there
[04:22] <jjesse> don't have any vacation fo 6 months at new job :(
[04:22] <jsgotangco> i think au has 3 timezones
[04:22] <jsgotangco> its  a pretty big place
[04:22] <Burgwork> pish, three times zones
[04:22] <Burgwork> I eat more food for dinner than that
[04:22] <LaserJock> hehe
[04:23] <jsgotangco> yeah when you're in plane, you only see land
[04:24] <Burgwork> ok, why I am I at work. It is 7pm at night
[04:24] <Burgwork> well, I guess I will be off. See you all in a bit
[04:24] <jjesse> go home then
[04:41] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: !!!!
[04:42] <LaserJock> what?
[04:42] <jsgotangco> We were impressed to find included among the very good documentation that ships with Ubuntu a software packaging guide.
[04:42] <jsgotangco> eweek
[04:42] <jsgotangco> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1990780,00.asp
[04:43] <LaserJock> wahooo!
[04:43] <LaserJock> I'm glad somebody enjoyed it ;-)
[04:43] <jsgotangco> eweek dude
[04:54] <nixternal> jjesse: pingaling?
[04:54] <LaserJock> ok, I got a docbook question
[04:55] <LaserJock> the pg is split up into different .xml files, 1 for each chapter
[04:55] <nixternal> ok, i don't have a docbook answer
[04:56] <LaserJock> in the main .xml file I have all the <!ENTITY tags to include the .ent files, etc.
[04:56] <LaserJock> now in the chapter .xml files do I need to do it again?
[04:56] <LaserJock> in the Desktop Guide it is done that way
[04:56] <LaserJock> but it seems redundant to me
[04:57] <nixternal> sounds redundant to me as well, however the <!ENTITY tags are also calling links to the page as well correct?
[04:58] <LaserJock> ok, well take <!ENTITY % globalent SYSTEM "../../../libs/global.ent"> for example
[04:58] <nixternal> i know in the packaging guide, i was working with the 'Winmodems' section and there were url's called up 
[04:58] <LaserJock> I have that at the top of every .xml file
[04:59] <LaserJock> if packagingguide.xml includes the .xml files it seems like they should already know globalent
[04:59] <nixternal> and it should be, so information in that .xml file can get more info or what not from the global file..the main.xml is just going to call all the .xml files into one location
[05:00] <nixternal> hmm...well also, that is done for the xml2html stuff when doing a 'make' in the docs directory
[05:00] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: you don't need to refer to every entity for all the pages
[05:00] <nixternal> finally someone with a real answer ;)
[05:00] <jsgotangco> the child pages can be just simple docbook files with no entity calls
[05:00] <LaserJock> ok, that's what it looked like to me
[05:01] <jsgotangco> unless you atually use something from global.ent which is already handled by the parent xml file
[05:01] <jsgotangco> they make your whole document modular i guess
[05:01] <jsgotangco> in a shallow way
[05:01] <nixternal> plus i believe they are also in all the .xml files because of people copy and pasting structure
[05:02] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:02] <jsgotangco> it doesnt really hurt but its kind of redundant
[05:02] <nixternal> SWEET!!!   my edgy install on the lappy actually runs the fan keeping it cool
[05:02] <nixternal> dapper doesn't run the fan OOTB
[05:03] <nixternal> http://home.comcast.net/~nixternal/fdal
[05:03] <nixternal> heh
[05:03] <jsgotangco> if you have it parsed and cleaned with a commercial editor, it'll just remove the entity calls from the child nodes
[05:03] <nixternal> never mind that
[05:03] <nixternal> http://home.comcast.net/~nixternal/images/misc/tmp/edgy1.png
[05:03] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: what? gedit isn't sufficent? ;-)
[05:03] <LaserJock> don't tell Matthew
[05:03] <jsgotangco> did you upgrade or install?
[05:03] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: hey i already did commercial docbook work, so i have sinned ;)
[05:04] <nixternal> install
[05:04] <jsgotangco> brown kde yuck
[05:04] <nixternal> hehe..i did that..it isn't default
[05:04] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: you dirty, dirty man :-)
[05:04] <jsgotangco> vmware! cheater!
[05:04] <nixternal> not vmware, that is on my laptop
[05:05] <jsgotangco> such a small resolution
[05:05] <nixternal> 800x600
[05:05] <nixternal> ;(
[05:05] <nixternal> then i resized it to 640x480
[05:06] <jsgotangco> i wonder if today's build is installable
[05:06] <nixternal> that is what that is installed from
[05:06] <nixternal> only problem is the sources.list file being created with only edgy-security and cdrom repos
[05:07] <jsgotangco> there's 18.2
[05:07] <jsgotangco> woohooo
[05:07] <jsgotangco> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current/report.html
[05:11] <jsgotangco> this rsyncer script is really handy
[05:12] <LaserJock> yeah, cbx33 wrote a GUI frontend for it ;-)
[05:12] <jsgotangco> really?
[05:12] <LaserJock> I haven't tried it out yet
[05:12] <LaserJock> grasynco
[05:12] <LaserJock> in honor of ogra ;-)
[05:12] <jsgotangco> i think its pretty straightforward to do this in zenity rather than actually do it in glade
[05:14] <LaserJock> probably
[05:14] <LaserJock> of course you gotta soup it up a bit ;-)
[05:14] <LaserJock> I like zenity
[05:14] <jsgotangco> heh yeah
[05:14] <LaserJock> but a lot of "real" programmers don't, I don't think
[05:15] <jsgotangco> well its not supposed to replace a glade interface
[05:15] <LaserJock> no, but it is realy easy use
[05:15] <LaserJock> when you just need to put a little GUI on a script
[05:16] <jsgotangco> yeah
[05:17] <jsgotangco> hmm
[05:17] <jsgotangco> minimalist apps
[05:17] <jsgotangco> hehe
[05:17] <LaserJock> I used it to put a little filechooser thing on front of squeak
[05:40] <nixternal> easiest way to see what is actually 'bleeding edge' in the upcoming knot release for kubuntu?
[05:40] <nixternal> for documentation purposes
[05:41] <LaserJock> edgy-changes?
[05:41] <nixternal> i know of:   2.6.17 kernel, kde 3.5.3 (3.5.4 soon), Amarok 1.4.1
[05:41] <nixternal> yes LaserJock
[05:41] <nixternal> don't make me go through the devel commits please ;)
[05:42] <LaserJock> If I have to then so do you ;-)
[05:42] <nixternal> gah
[05:42] <nixternal> i just want the big items really..the things that will make people read the release info and go "oh cool"
[05:42] <nixternal> ipodslave doesn't tickle a fancy
[05:43] <nixternal> amarok, kde 3.5.3 with 3.5.4 coming, new kernel..stuff like that
[05:43] <nixternal> broken adept package
[05:43] <nixternal> ;)
[05:46] <nixternal> i just pinged the kubuntu dev's for the info
[05:46] <nixternal> i will make them sell me stuff ;)
[05:50] <LaserJock> just say it's got the latest crack, period ;-)
[06:00] <nixternal> interesting...OOo in edgy is older then OOo in Dapper ;)
[06:00] <LaserJock> what's OOo? ;-)
[06:00] <nixternal> open office
[06:01] <LaserJock> and why aren't you using LaTeX?
[06:01] <nixternal> OpenOffice.org = OOo
[06:01] <nixternal> hmm
[06:01] <LaserJock> nixternal: note the ;-) at the end of that question
[06:01] <nixternal> doh
[06:01] <LaserJock> i.e. extreme sarcasm
[06:01] <nixternal> LaTeX do spreadsheets?
[06:01] <nixternal> ;)
[06:01] <LaserJock> that's what emacs is for
[06:01] <nixternal> Presentations?
[06:01] <LaserJock> LaTeX
[06:02] <nixternal> LaTeX for a presentation?
[06:02] <nixternal> i know it is used for documents now, but presentations
[06:03] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:03] <nixternal> i did not know that
[06:03] <nixternal> can you view those presentation with MS Office?
[06:03] <LaserJock> pdfs
[06:03] <LaserJock> so acroread
[06:03] <nixternal> im talking like power point presentations
[06:03] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:03] <nixternal> kpdf, no adobe junk here
[06:03] <nixternal> i am gonna have to check this out
[06:03] <LaserJock> you run acroread in full screen mode
[06:04] <LaserJock> and use hyperlinks
[06:04] <LaserJock> you can embed things to I believe
[06:04] <nixternal> that sounds like a lot of work
[06:04] <LaserJock> it is
[06:04] <LaserJock> but it's LaTeX so it's perfect looking output
[06:05] <nixternal> i can honestly say, i have never ever used LaTeX, or even looked into it at all
[06:05] <nixternal> i see it is for typesetting
[06:05] <nixternal> you know..i bet i used 'ports'
[06:05] <LaserJock> we use it for virtually all document writing in my field
[06:06] <LaserJock> well, the weirdos like my boss  anyway
[06:06] <nixternal> ahh..so you don't use docbooks in your field ;)
[06:06] <LaserJock> heck no
[06:06] <nixternal> lol
[06:06] <LaserJock> it's too new
[06:06] <LaserJock> wasn't created like 30 years ago
[06:06] <LaserJock> no
[06:06] <LaserJock> we use latex for papers and dissertations
[06:07] <LaserJock> but more and more Office is being used, unfortunately
[06:07] <LaserJock> stupid macs ;-)
[06:07] <nixternal> hmm..latex been replaced with 'tetex' i take it?
[06:07] <nixternal> in ubuntu
[06:07] <LaserJock> umm,  I think tetex is just a packaging of tex
[06:08] <LaserJock> it has latex in it
[06:08] <LaserJock> latex is newer than plain tex, I think
[06:08] <nixternal> sudo apt-get install latex = no available, but referred to by another package
[06:08] <LaserJock> yeah, there isn't a latex package
[06:08] <nixternal> ahhh
[06:08] <nixternal> ok
[06:08] <LaserJock> it's included in tetex
[06:08] <nixternal> you use tetex then?
[06:08] <LaserJock> yeah
[06:08] <nixternal> k
[06:09] <LaserJock> it's all the same thing
[06:10] <nixternal> im getting ready to go back to school..local for free..and take c++ and c# courses...then im going to go back and finish my MBA
[06:11] <nixternal> i want to take speach and writing courses at the local as well
[06:11] <LaserJock> cool
[06:11] <LaserJock> I just want to be done with school for a while
[06:11] <nixternal> it is covered by illinois veterans grant so
[06:12] <LaserJock> I've been doing it too long
[06:12] <nixternal> so i can see
[06:12] <nixternal> ;)
[06:12] <LaserJock> hehe
[06:12] <nixternal> i kind of wish i would have done the college thing right out of highschool..but i hated school so much then..so i just joined the navy
[06:13] <nixternal> i got my bachelors degree from university of maryland while i was in the military
[06:13] <LaserJock> well, some days I wish I had joined the navy ;-)
[06:13] <nixternal> i started my MBA at Kellog/Northwestern in 2002
[06:13] <nixternal> not worth it anymore
[06:13] <nixternal> unless you are going to be an officer
[06:13] <LaserJock> I almost did it but I started college to soon
[06:14] <LaserJock> by the time I could have joined I was already working on my Bachelors
[06:14] <LaserJock> so it would have been kinda pointless
[06:15] <nixternal> ya
[06:15] <LaserJock> but my cousin joined the Army
[06:15] <LaserJock> he was doing ROTC
[06:15] <LaserJock> then he messed up his back during basic
[06:16] <nixternal> now that sucks
[06:16] <LaserJock> and for some stupid reson didn't show up back at the base when he was supposed to
[06:16] <LaserJock> so they declared him a deserter
[06:16] <nixternal> when i joined i wanted to be a navy seal, so i went to buds and almost completed, but blew out my knee..they were going to med discharge me, but i did the phy tests above reqs., so they let me stay
[06:17] <LaserJock> now he's got all this legal stuff to try to get a discharge without jail time
[06:17] <nixternal> i did combat engineering..so i did a lot of hydraulics, pneumatics, electronics and what not
[06:17] <LaserJock> oh, cool
[06:17] <nixternal> a ton of documentation actually
[06:17] <LaserJock> I've watch lots of buds on TV :-)
[06:17] <LaserJock> tough stuff
[06:17] <nixternal> i never really thought about that..for some reason, every project i get involved with, i tend to do documentation
[06:18] <LaserJock> you're a natural ;-)
[06:18] <nixternal> not really..as  my grammar is horrible, but i always seem to make do with it
[06:18] <LaserJock> my brother-in-law was in the Marines
[06:18] <nixternal> growing up in chicago, propper anything goes out the window
[06:18] <LaserJock> sniper in Iraq
[06:18] <nixternal> sweet
[06:19] <LaserJock> when he was done he wanted to go back in to the Army to do some sort of special ops stuff
[06:19] <LaserJock> but I don't know if he has or not
[06:19] <nixternal> spec ops would be a blast
[06:19] <nixternal> but if i had to do it all over again..it would be tough, but i think i would go communications/IT
[06:20] <nixternal> i had the chance to go Nuke, but i turned it down fast
[06:20] <LaserJock> he has some interesting stories from Fallujah, I don't envy him
[06:20] <nixternal> i told the recruiter about submarines, 150 men go down, 75 couples come up
[06:20] <nixternal> ya, i spent plenty of time in the persian gulf...way to hot for me
[06:21] <nixternal> and bosnia was freezing
[06:21] <nixternal> only thing keeping you warm in bosnia was the bullets flying by, and the mass amounts of potato liquor
[06:21] <LaserJock> I've thought about doing chemistry stuff, but chemical weapons scare me too much
[06:22] <nixternal> heh
[06:22] <nixternal> my uncle loves that stuff..as he is infected from nam, flat out nuts, but crazy rich now because of it ;)
[06:22] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Kubuntu/Edgy/Knot1?action=show
[06:22] <nixternal> that is what i am working on that needs the info
[08:53] <nixternal> im about to blow the wiki up!!!
[08:54] <Madpilot> cool!
[08:54] <Madpilot> why, though?
[09:01] <nixternal> they must be doing maintenance
[09:01] <nixternal> it goes so slow for me
[05:01] <trappist> <3 auto-away messages
[05:36] <mdke_> trappist!
[05:37] <mdke_> long time no see bud
[05:37] <mdke_> how's it going?
[05:43] <LaserJock> mdke_: long time no see!
[05:44] <jjesse> i think mdke_ is hiding again :)
[05:44] <LaserJock> typical
[05:45] <LaserJock> every time I show up ...
[05:47] <mdke_> LaserJock: you are just in the wrong time zone
[05:48] <LaserJock> mdke_: true, true
[05:48] <LaserJock> with every 05:00 meeting I realize that more and more ;-)
[05:49] <mdke_> i have been busy lately though
[05:50] <LaserJock> that's what I was thinking
[05:50] <LaserJock> work?
[05:50] <LaserJock> like real work?
[05:50] <mdke_> more or less
[05:51] <mdke_> some job hunting too
[05:51] <jjesse> any success w/ job hunting?
[05:52] <mdke_> not yet, I haven't really done much so far
[05:57] <mdke_> just sorting myself out
[05:58] <jjesse> goood luck
[05:58] <mdke_> trappist: can you make it to the friday meeting? I'm wondering whether your "security guide" idea is going to be an option we want to investigate for edgy
[05:58] <mdke_> jjesse: thanks!
[06:02] <LaserJock> mdke_: trying to figure out which career field or have you gotten farther than that?
[06:05] <trappist> oops
[06:05] <trappist> what time friday?
[06:05] <LaserJock> 19:00 UTC
[06:06] <trappist> that puts it at 4pm I think - yeah, I can make that
[06:06] <trappist> err
[06:07] <trappist> now, that puts it at 1400 which is not 4pm, which I can also make
[06:07] <trappist> s/now/no/
[06:07] <trappist> mdke_: yes
[06:07] <mdke> trappist: cool!
[06:08] <LaserJock> do we have agenda items?
[06:08] <nixternal> good mornin'
[06:08] <LaserJock> we seem to do better with having specific topics rather than, "How's it going?" ... "Good, I guess"
[06:08] <nixternal> 11am already..wow i got some sleep
[06:09] <LaserJock> unfortunately I just usually break down and use iCal
[06:10] <LaserJock> which is great when things are scheduled on fridge
[06:14] <therealmdk1> my god
[06:14] <therealmdk1> it's not my lucky day
[06:14] <nixternal> mine too
[06:14] <nixternal> i woke up to inbox presents
[06:16] <nixternal> hiya mdke
[06:16] <mdke> hello.
[06:16] <mdke> I'm caught in a continuous loop of screen crashing alternated with my network going down
[06:16] <jjesse> bummer
[06:18] <trappist> I don't think I've ever seen screen crash
[06:18] <mdke> well, either screen or irssi does something bad quite often for me
[06:19] <mdke> I can get into and out of it, but then can't type anything
[06:20] <nixternal> that isn't good
[06:20] <nixternal> dapper or have you stepped up to edgy?
[06:23] <LaserJock> mdke: oh, I get that too
[06:23] <LaserJock> with screen
[06:23] <LaserJock> it just locks up
[06:24] <LaserJock> it seems like I found a key sequnce one time to fix that
[06:24] <LaserJock> but I can't remember it :(
[06:26] <jsgotangco> welcome to debian sid
[06:29] <mdke> bbl
[06:38] <jjesse> who did the desktop guide again for kubuntu dapper?
[06:40] <LaserJock> robotgeek perhaps?
[06:44] <nixternal> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/docs/
[06:44] <nixternal> jjesse: ^^ that is the patch i was telling you about for kubuntu dekstop guide
[06:45] <nixternal> the winmodem part...it probably needs even more work..as that whole topic is somewhat touchy
[07:15] <mhz> hi guys
[07:16] <mhz> Is this page working its purposes? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FaqOnIrc
[07:16] <mhz> maybe I am too away from english, but I'd bet such name is for FAQs about IRC
[07:16] <mhz> or not?
[07:16] <jjesse> i didn't know it existed
[07:16] <nixternal> i agree
[07:16] <nixternal> lol
[07:16] <nixternal> that page is umm..bad
[07:17] <mhz> :D
[07:17] <nixternal> it started out as IRC FAQ for the top paragraph
[07:17] <nixternal> then it went to just flat out FAQ
[07:17] <nixternal> good find mhz
[07:17] <mhz> thx, nixternal 
[07:18] <mhz> form time to time, I find time to rview a loooooong list of "i wanna read this page"
[07:18] <nixternal> jjesse: who is in charge of shipit?  i ordered my cd's last week, for Ubuntu Chicago, and I got them today, with a display box, and stickers..i owe big time gratitude to somebody
[07:18] <jjesse> kubuntu ones? then riddell i guess but other then that i don't know, maybe colin?
[07:18] <nixternal> ubuntu ones
[07:18] <nixternal> im waiting for kubuntu ones as well
[07:19] <nixternal> i will have 500 cd's total for our event
[07:19] <nixternal> 200 ubuntu, 200 kubuntu, and 1 edubuntu
[07:19] <nixternal> lol
[07:19] <nixternal> 100 edubuntu
[07:19] <jjesse> that's awesome
[07:19] <nixternal> 500 CDs requested in 2006-07-10. 200 CDs approved and sent to the shipping company in 2006-07-12. Please note requests usually take from 4 to 6 weeks
[07:19] <nixternal> i got them today
[07:20] <nixternal> 1 week exactly..now that is awesome!!!
[07:20] <LaserJock> nixternal: I was going to beat you over the head with a lulu.com copy of the PG if you only got 1 Edubuntu cd
[07:20] <nixternal> lol
[07:21] <nixternal> im going to take pics of all they sent..you guys won't believe the love
[07:21] <nixternal> you think i was impressed with Ubuntu before...my lord it rocks to much!!!
[07:21] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm regretting I only grabed 1 of each at Paris
[07:21] <LaserJock> I think my LUG would appreciate some
[07:21] <jjesse> i got 10 kubuntus from shipit finally :)
[07:23] <nixternal> ya me too jjesse
[07:23] <nixternal> last week
[07:23] <nixternal> no stickers ;(
[07:29] <mhz> Guys, I have a TXT with lots of IRC commands, and an explanation for each. Can we add it to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat ?
[07:30] <mhz> yeah, of course I could wiki it
[08:09] <nixternal> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nixternal/sets/72157594204855756/