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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 19 Jul 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 19:00 UTC: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 27 Jul 23:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 20:00 UTC: Technical Board
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digitalmousebrr!!!  cold in here.... must be the Fridge!  greetings programs!10:59
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markit86@schedule london01:21
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/London: 19 Jul 21:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 20:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 13:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 00:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 21:00: Technical Board01:21
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stefg@schedule berlin05:05
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Berlin: 19 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 21:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board05:05
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GNAM@schedule rome05:17
UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Rome: 19 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 21:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board05:17
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highvoltage@schedule Johannesburg08:41
UbugtuSchedule for Africa/Johannesburg: 19 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 21:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 28 Jul 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 22:00: Technical Board08:41
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coachJwhen does the mtg start?09:43
ompaul~15 minutes09:44
coachJk09:46
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Edubuntu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 20 Jul 15:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 19:00 UTC: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 27 Jul 23:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 01 Aug 20:00 UTC: Technical Board
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ogragood idea09:58
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coachJtoo late in the afternoon foe coffee here09:59
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highvoltagefor all of us? ;)10:00
ogrameep10:00
LaserJock here10:00
cbx33oooh thanky Hawkwind 10:00
cbx33whoops10:00
cbx33HedgeMage, 10:00
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RichEdgreetz10:00
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HedgeMagehehe10:01
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coachJlol10:01
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cbx33get out of bed :p10:01
RichEdlaptop ... some kind of euphemism ?10:01
highvoltageouch10:01
HedgeMagerofl10:01
coachJmtg be good for highvoltage's sake10:01
cbx33eeeewwww10:01
highvoltageRichEd: luckily not10:01
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ograok, lets go :)10:02
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cbx33oh you mean the meeting....10:03
ogranot much on the tech side as usual :)10:03
ograwe have a knot 1 milestone CD 10:03
highvoltagethe first knot is tied, right?10:03
cbx33w00t10:03
highvoltage:)10:03
ograwhich in fact took me since friday to get everything right10:03
highvoltageanyone install it yet?10:03
cbx33not yet10:03
ograbut now we have something we can break10:04
ogramuhahaha10:04
highvoltagemhuhaha10:04
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Mithrandirknot-1 is all but released, yet.  That is, I'll release it tomorrow morning, since I've drunk something closer to a bottle of wine now and I don't think I should futz around with cd images then. :-P10:04
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Mithrandirs/yet/yes/10:04
ograMithrandir, well, it wont change anymore :)10:04
ograenjoy your wine :)10:04
=== highvoltage will download tomorrow
cbx33and the hangover10:05
Mithrandirogra: true. :-)10:05
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ograhighvoltage, keep the iso around so you can try cbx33's gui sync tool ;)10:05
cbx33I was gonna mention that10:05
cbx33if anyone is interested in beta testing grasynco10:05
=== mhz wanna plays with it too!
rodarvushi10:05
rodarvussorry10:05
cbx33it's on REVU at the moment10:05
ograsoo ... apart from that there is not much n the tech side ... 10:06
rodarvusI was concentrated updating libx1110:06
cbx33and also on LP10:06
highvoltageogra: i intend to do that!10:06
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cbx33may I ask you all to keep a backup of the isos....just in case10:06
ograthe ltsp tarball builder script is nearly done ...10:06
cbx33:D10:06
HedgeMage:)10:06
cbx33unless you don;t mind downloading again10:06
highvoltagecbx33: just beware, I'm quite crazy with feature requests, just ask ogra :)10:06
ograthe first try can be seen on http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltsp-tarballs/10:06
cbx33highvoltage, that's cool10:07
cbx33I'll try to accomodate10:07
ograhighvoltage, heh, yes, you are (sometimes :) )10:07
LaserJockwhere are we with specs?10:07
highvoltageogra: have ltsp upsream made any announcement yet?10:07
ograLaserJock, SCP is still lacking some love, i'll jump on that tomorrow ...10:07
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ograhighvoltage, nope, the system needs to run automatically10:08
cbx33but I'll wait till ogra has finished10:08
cbx33otherwise people may talk :p10:08
LaserJockogra: LTSP specs are looking good?10:08
ograwhat you see on the url is the first test run10:08
highvoltageogra: what would be the difference between those tarballs ans a standard Edubuntu ltsp chroot?10:08
ograLaserJock, well, the udeb is ready now to add the dhcp stuff ... SCP isnt approved yet but i had no time to fix stuff, mdz is notified10:08
highvoltageogra: are they mostly the same so far?10:08
ograltspfs stuff isnt started yet10:09
LaserJockk10:09
ograhighvoltage, they are 100% the same10:09
HedgeMageIf anyone's interested, we are planning a meeting for Edubuntu Handbook (formerly Cookbook) Friday at 21:30 (just scheduled, so may not be on fridge yet, I'll post to the mailing lists momentarily)10:09
ograbut we'll have arch specific ones ;)10:09
highvoltageok. so no need to download then.10:09
ograHedgeMage, docs are next 10:09
HedgeMageogra: oops, sorry10:10
ograhighvoltage, nope, but if you ever want powerpc clients you can just grab the tarball ;)10:10
highvoltageogra: i'll keep that in mind!10:10
ograno need for fiddling around with nfs exports 10:10
ograi'll probably make an installer package that downloads and unpacks it 10:10
highvoltagewith a cbx33 front-end?10:11
ograso you can install ltsp-multiarch-powerpc 10:11
highvoltage*g*10:11
ograheh10:11
cbx33highvoltage, if you really really want it :p10:11
ograor ltsp-multiarch-sparc ;)10:11
highvoltagecbx33: of course :)10:11
cbx33dang it :p10:11
ograhighvoltage, well, that should be an extra tab in ltsp-manager rather :)10:11
highvoltagecbx33: the LTSP people would love that10:12
ograsoo ...10:12
cbx33highvoltage, wanna mail me a brief outline10:12
ograthats all from the tech side for this week ... i have noting t addd10:12
cbx33sometime and I'll see what I can dig up10:12
ogradocumentation ? 10:12
highvoltagecbx33: sure, we can chat about it tomorrow on #edubuntu, then send to the mailing list and get some larger input10:12
cbx33sure10:12
cbx33we can build it onto ogras ltsp manager10:13
ograHedgeMage, the CookBook was renamed ? 10:13
highvoltagecool.10:13
HedgeMageogra: yep, at our last meeting.10:13
ograHedgeMage, tell us about it, since not everyone was there :)10:13
mhzplease10:13
HedgeMageogra: Since it's not quite a cookbook format any more, we decided to vote for a new title... people posted suggestions to the wiki and our last meeting was a vote10:14
HedgeMageit's now the "Edubuntu Handbook"10:14
ogragreat 10:14
cbx33:D10:14
HedgeMageSame fun stuff, new title :)10:14
mhzEHB10:14
highvoltagei think it's a good idea, merely because it will eliminate confusion about all the previous cookbook attempts :)10:15
cbx33I agree10:15
ograyup10:15
mhzyup10:15
HedgeMageThat's the icing on the cake :)10:15
rodarvusheh10:15
highvoltagelol10:15
mhzand it will be more 'handy' :D10:15
HedgeMageAnyhow, we have a meeting on Friday, wiki info is at http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuHandbook10:16
ograbtw LaserJock was praised in http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1990777,00.asp :)10:16
highvoltagealso on documentation, does anyone know what the best way is, and whether we should, get the edubuntu docs on http://help.ubuntu.com?10:16
HedgeMageI haven't updated the meeting page yet since this was scheduled literally 5 minutes ago :)10:16
cbx33highvoltage, I talked with mdke about that a while ago10:16
ograhighvoltage, all wiki docs are there already10:16
highvoltageall the other official ubuntu distros docs are there, I think Edubuntu should be there too, since people would ask.10:16
cbx33you need permissions to create new pages10:16
highvoltageogra: it's not listed on the front page: http://help.ubuntu.com10:17
ograoh10:17
ograbut they imported all our pages ... i have a painful slow redirect for nearly every wikipage10:17
cbx33is anything going to be done about the ssl certificate on the wiki?10:17
ograi dont think so10:17
cbx33grrr10:18
ograi could raise it agan ... but paied certs are not the best topic to dicuss with mark somehow :)10:18
highvoltageyes, I think I'll ping mdke this weekend and ask if he could add an Edubuntu section on the frontpage of help.10:18
mhzit is not wiki's fault (not moin)10:18
cbx33ok10:18
cbx33mhz, I know10:18
cbx33ogra, ok cool10:18
ogramhz, we have bought one afaik, but thats limited to ubuntu.com10:18
cbx33highvoltage, yes good idea10:18
mhzgrr!10:19
mhz:)10:19
highvoltagethat's ironic.10:19
cbx33I'll do the same, as I'm owed a creatoin account on help.ubuntu.com i think :p10:19
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LaserJockhighvoltage: we would have to ship something to put it in help.ubuntu.com10:19
mhzbut, isn't markie related to Certificates?10:19
highvoltageLaserJock: does it need to be in a certain format?10:19
ograRiddell, do you know anything about the certs ? i know you asked about them10:19
peterretiefhighvoltage: hi10:19
LaserJockhighvoltage: those docs are created from the doc team svn repo10:20
highvoltagemhz: it's how he made his money :)10:20
highvoltagehi peterretief 10:20
mhzyeah, hence my point10:20
Riddellogra: filed an rt request, not heard anything back, feel free to poke harder10:20
ogramhz, quote: "i've seen enough certs in my life"10:20
HedgeMagelol10:20
rodarvus:)10:21
ograRiddell, rt # ?10:21
mhzlol10:21
Riddellogra: no idea, it was ages ago10:21
highvoltageLaserJock: we could probably get someone from docteam to help us out? there should be some people who are common in edubuntu-doc and ubuntu-doc that I'm sure would assist.10:21
ograRiddell, lol, ok10:21
LaserJockhighvoltage: umm, jerome and I are happy to help10:21
cbx33highvoltage, what about jerome10:21
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highvoltageLaserJock: excellent :)10:22
LaserJockhighvoltage: edubuntu school advocacy is already on doc.ubuntu.com10:22
cbx33is it ?10:22
cbx33crikey10:22
LaserJockhighvoltage: mdke made an Edubuntu css10:22
mhzis it???10:22
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ograwasnt that renamed ? 10:22
highvoltagegreat. so it just needs a link from the home page.10:22
LaserJockyes, I had them make an Edubuntu section10:22
LaserJockdoc.ubuntu.com10:22
LaserJockon the right there is an Edubuntu section10:23
highvoltagedoc.ubuntu.com is meant for work in progress, right?10:23
cbx33I see10:23
LaserJockyes10:23
LaserJockdoc.ubuntu.com represents our svn repo10:23
highvoltageESA is completed, isn't it?10:23
cbx33is there the possibility of ESA making it onto help.ubuntu.com?10:23
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cbx33or is that not the place for it?10:24
mhzlovely http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/school-advocacy/C/index.html10:24
highvoltagecbx33: thinking the same thing here :)10:24
LaserJockhelp.ubuntu.com has what has been shipped10:24
ograwow, esa is impressive10:24
highvoltagei think ESA should be on help.ubuntu.com as well.10:24
LaserJockwe have a doc team meeting on Friday10:24
cbx33we try ogra :p10:24
LaserJockI can ask10:24
cbx33thanks LaserJock 10:24
LaserJockso far we have only put the docs that were shipped on CD on help.ubuntu.com10:25
ograhighvoltage, it is10:25
BurgworkI have a half finished case study, using some of the stuff from esa10:25
cbx33the ESA gets everywhere10:25
highvoltageogra: i can't find it10:25
ograwow ... your doc work is massively impressive guys :)10:26
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ograhighvoltage, the link mhz pasted10:26
cbx33yes please10:26
LaserJockso from the doc team's perspective I think we are ready to go, we just need content10:26
mhzhighvoltage: http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/school-advocacy/C/index.html10:26
highvoltageogra: that's on doc.ubuntu.com, not on help.ubuntu.com10:26
cbx33I passed the esa to RichEd to pass onto the canonical marketting dept10:26
mhzhighvoltage: yeah, good point10:26
ograhighvoltage, aww, now i understand 10:26
ogracbx33, good !10:26
RichEdyep ... got it open .. will review & coment10:26
mhzplease, not redirections this time10:26
mhz;)10:27
cbx33RichEd, if you want my page mockups feel free to take those10:27
RichEdokay10:27
cbx33they were a mock of what the pamphlet could look like10:27
cbx33hang on I'll grab a link10:27
cbx33https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuSchoolAdvocacy10:28
cbx33ignore everything on the page10:28
cbx33apart from the 4 images at the bottom10:28
LaserJockhehe10:28
ograheh10:28
RichEdtx10:28
cbx33I'll delete it I think10:28
mhzcbx33: where's the mockup?10:28
cbx33down the very bottom10:28
mhzoh, still downloading10:29
mhzthx10:29
cbx33sorry10:29
cbx33that was our wip page10:29
mhzcbx33: nice mockup idea10:29
cbx33ESA started like that before any text was written really :p10:29
HedgeMage:)10:30
LaserJockanyway, if anybody wants docs to go on doc.ubuntu.com (and eventually help.ubuntu.com) please let the doc team or at least jerome or I know10:30
mhzcbx33: I am working on one for Chile (with Chilean colors)10:30
highvoltageLaserJock: ok10:30
highvoltagesounds like doc discussion is quieting down?10:30
ograwell, then lets move on10:30
ograaaaaaaartwork10:31
ograwhoops10:31
mhzthat KBD!10:31
mhz;)10:31
highvoltagei think you missed an 'a' there10:31
AliasVegasHi everyone10:31
ograheh, i'm not 100% used to it yet :)10:31
mhzAliasVegas: hi10:31
highvoltagehi AliasVegas. just in time :)10:31
ograhey AliasVegas nice to see you !10:31
HedgeMagehi AliasVegas 10:31
AliasVegasI'm really glad that so many people like the edubuntu wallpaper that I did, and I think it's crucial to build on the success of that in the edgy release.10:31
ograyay10:32
=== HedgeMage wants to request that someone with more talent than HedgeMage start thinking about appropriate cover art for the Handbook
mhzHedgeMage: I can propose something10:32
AliasVegasYeah, I'll see what I can do if you want10:32
highvoltageAliasVegas: I've set you as administrator on the artwork team, sorry, should have done that earlier :)10:32
=== mhz is forced to have more time now
AliasVegasWhat I thought we could do, to make a quick start is just ask for a single line from everyone on what they dislike about the dapper theme (if anything), but to be precise.  Not just, I don't like the chalkboard, but why don't you like the chalkboard, too commercial etc?10:32
ograAliasVegas, great idea !10:33
mhzAliasVegas: yeah10:33
AliasVegasThen just another single line about what you would like to see in edgy?10:33
HedgeMagegood idea, AliasVegas :)10:33
ograyup10:33
highvoltageAliasVegas: I didn't like the orange hilight in the gtk theme.10:33
AliasVegasI was going to then work from these to collate a plan on how we should proceed with the new themes and artwork.  I have some initial ideas, but I don't want to develop them if there are elements which are not going to work or be to peoples liking.10:33
cbx33I'll start noting these down10:33
ograhighvoltage, by mail :)10:33
cbx33heheh10:33
AliasVegasthanks10:33
cbx33mail would be better10:34
highvoltageoh yes, of course :)10:34
HedgeMageDon't like: The green chalkboard thing clashes with our red gtk-theme, lacking theme-coordinating icons for some apps I like10:34
AliasVegasok10:34
highvoltageto edubuntu-devel? or to AliasVegas?10:34
ograso could anyone who wants to participate say +1 so i know whom i have to nag ? ;)10:34
ogra+110:34
rodarvusedubuntu-users wouild be best I think10:34
highvoltage+110:34
rodarvusAliasVegas: nice idea, btw10:34
cbx33um, could we have edubuntu-artwork ?10:34
rodarvus+110:34
cbx33mailing list ?10:35
peterretief+110:35
mhz+110:35
cbx33would that be useful?10:35
highvoltagecbx33: i've thought about it before, I think it's at the stage where it's ready for it10:35
ogracbx33, how many people would we have on there ? 10:35
cbx33anyone with an interest in artwork I'm presuming right AliasVegas ?10:35
rodarvusnot sure if edubuntu-artwork mailinig list would have critical mass10:35
LaserJockI would think -devel and -users would be sufficent10:35
highvoltagethere are 20 people in launchpad who have volunteered to contribute to artwork10:35
ogracbx33, i want a number :)10:35
rodarvusin other words, would probably become a semi-dead mailing list10:35
highvoltagethey would all be added to the new list10:35
highvoltagethat's already a good start.10:35
AliasVegasyeah10:36
cbx33Hmm....10:36
highvoltagethose who do not wish to be part can then be de-activated from the team.10:36
mhzyeah10:36
highvoltagehttps://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-artwork/+members10:36
cbx33I just wonder that in order to get the artowrk team off the ground, they should have their own ML?10:36
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cbx33just my 2 cents10:36
mhzor.. keep using -devel but adding [ART] 10:36
mhzon subject10:36
mhzjust my 2 cents10:36
mhzeek, we have 4 cents!10:37
ogracbx33, i will need to give an estimated number of initial subscribers ... its not useful to have a list for 10 people ...10:37
highvoltagei wonder if everyone on the launchapd team would be willing to subscribe to edubuntu-devel, we could probably try and ask them10:37
cbx33I get so much spam from that channel?10:38
highvoltageogra: we already have at least 20 people! :)10:38
highvoltagecbx33: no you don't10:38
highvoltagecbx33: you get admin requests ;)10:38
cbx33i get spam too10:38
mhzcbx33: BTW, I have no logs regarding pwd for ML admin tasks, could you PM it to me, please?10:38
cbx33sure10:38
ograhighvoltage, well, i havent seen much new artwork during dapper, that was more widespread in breezy10:39
ograthe quality raised immensely though :)10:39
mhzogra: AliasVegas is in town now ;)10:39
ograyeah ! :)10:39
AliasVegasI want to setup an edubuntu-artwork meeting, for anyone who has any interest in artwork/themes to come along to, so we can really start to brainstorm and get the process moving.  If anyone has some suggestions about times that would be great ;)10:39
highvoltageogra: i think the announcement that canonical would use a paid-for company for artwork killed things a bit, imho :/10:39
ograbut still ... she will surely need support ...10:40
cbx33highvoltage, I agree10:40
ograhighvoltage, yep 10:40
mhzAliasVegas: i have a couple of suggestions but based on my UTC10:40
ograhighvoltage, but it was like that before as well ...10:40
mhz(my TZ)10:40
ograjust that nobody announced it before :)10:40
cbx33does this kinda time suit mhz ?10:40
mhzcbx33: nope10:41
cbx3312 UTC?10:41
mhz11 UTC10:41
highvoltageogra: i beg to differ, if you go to art.ubuntu.com, you'll see quite a few wallpapers that were made for breezy, some of them not too bad10:41
mhzso I can be before leaving house10:41
mhzcbx33: or 23 UTC10:41
mhz:D10:41
ograhighvoltage, http://art.ubuntu.com/10:41
ograits down10:41
cbx3323 UTC....10:41
cbx33AliasVegas, will be in bed then10:42
cbx33:p10:42
AliasVegaslol10:42
mhzhighvoltage: yeah, like the darkones I did because I prefer black for kids :D10:42
cbx33we can discuss times later 10:42
highvoltageogra: click on "Edubuntu" on the right. it still works10:42
ograoh no its redesigned :P10:42
highvoltagehttp://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/edubuntu/10:42
ograyep10:42
AliasVegasI'm also going to post a notice to the ubuntu-artwork mailing list explaining where we are at this stage and ask for volunteers to help edubuntu in this release.10:42
mhzcbx33: then , we could rotate ;)10:42
ograi know them, i added most of them there 10:42
cbx33sure mhz 10:42
cbx33I'm sure AliasVegas would be ok with that10:42
mhzcbx33: if meetings are weekly, 3 or 4 diff UTCs is good10:43
AliasVegas2 sounds good10:43
AliasVegaslike edubuntu10:43
mhzcbx33: the thing is I am looking for a job now, so most likely is I wont have time for IRC during working hours ;(10:43
AliasVegasogra, can I ask, how much are we at liberty to change in this release, just wallpapers/splashes, or icons, theme colours too?  cbx33 was talking to me about the work he was doing on his new ubrander project, and I wondered how much gtk-rc editing had been done in the past?10:43
highvoltageogra: all of those wallpapers in art.ubuntu.com came from the breezy release cycle10:43
AliasVegasfair enough :)10:44
ograAliasVegas, i'm sure it must be done in communication with the artteam ...10:44
ograso that we have a recognizable ubuntu look for all distros ...10:44
mhz.oO(hmmm, the *buntu look)10:45
AliasVegasok that sounds cool10:45
ograa kind of CI10:45
AliasVegasNot much more to say really, I'm conscious of the time factors involved and have just finished some of my paid freelance work, so I should have some more time to devote to getting the ball rolling here.10:45
ograbut we'll surely have freedom about colors, icons splash screens gdm login theme bootsplash etc 10:45
AliasVegasok :)10:45
ograthere is only some small gtkrc editing been doneby me 10:46
ogramostly adjusting colors 10:46
ogra(based on a completely different orange wallpaper btw)10:47
AliasVegasright10:47
mhzAliasVegas: i am VERY interested in creating 'artwork' for Stands (posters, stuff to hang -no idea about english name for it , stand look, etc) 10:47
cbx33mhz, cool10:47
mhzand all related to merchandising10:48
mhzEdubuntu based, of course10:48
cbx33I'd need that if BETT2007 went ahead10:48
HedgeMagethat's awesome, mhz 10:48
AliasVegasPosters sounds like a cool idea10:48
ogramhz, ++10:48
=== cbx33 imagines darting around town on his blades putting up edubuntu posters all around town
mhzyeah, Teachers loved the idea of having Edubuntu T-Shirts for Labs10:48
cbx33then getting nicked by the rozzers :p10:48
HedgeMagehehe cbx33 10:48
mhzand then I thought about Posters for Edubuntu Labs (with messages for the users)10:49
AliasVegasI love the idea of t-shirts10:49
ograyep10:49
cbx33mhz, heheh.... "Got root....no...cos if you did you'd break things"10:49
mhzlol10:49
cbx33I think I just found my new tagline :p10:49
ograbut posters at least for booths would be grreat10:49
highvoltagecbx33: they can have root on the ro local filesystem :)10:49
cbx33hahaha10:50
cbx33give them the illusion10:50
ograheh10:50
mhzyeah, we need promo material so people (human beings) know Edubuntu is not just an OS, it is meant for "YOU"10:50
cbx33awww10:50
ograogra, time is almost up ...10:50
HedgeMage:)10:50
ograerr 10:50
cbx33what about some fluffy Eft soft toys10:50
ograi wrote ok ... 10:50
highvoltageflint said that we have done a good job at keeping edubuntu secret.10:50
ograstupid autocompletion10:50
mhzwww.openpuppets.com10:50
=== cbx33 has always had a vision
highvoltageso getting edubuntu out there is perhaps something everyone should work on.10:51
ograhighvoltage, bah, flint said also that k12 doesnt like us :)10:51
cbx33we need someone to streak a major sporting event wearing nothing but ubuntu logos :p10:51
cbx33get us on the TV10:51
highvoltageogra: point taken :)10:51
RichEdi'm willing to take marketing suggestions forward : richard.edubuntu@gmail.com10:51
=== mhz got Edubuntu on TV in Chile
cbx33highvoltage, I totally agree....hence my initial creation of ESA10:51
mhzand a couple of magazines too10:51
ograright10:51
ogranext topic management :)10:52
ograsince you are already at promotion10:52
RichEdespecially those that take it out of the "hobbyist" space into mainstream10:52
RichEdwell perhaps an intro from me ?10:53
LaserJockthat would be nice :-)10:53
ograif you like :)10:53
highvoltageRichEd: sounds like no one is objecting ;)10:53
RichEdMark has just appointed me as "Education Programme Manager" last week ... to be client & relationship facing10:53
ograi also have something ... for the management side later10:53
HedgeMageRichEd: welcome :)10:54
RichEdThe way I see it is that you guys are building a great eductional vehicle ... 10:54
cbx33:)10:54
mhzRichEd: oh, you are the one!!10:54
highvoltageRichEd: yes, welcome again10:54
RichEdand my job is to get as many people adopting it a possible.10:54
RichEdI've been in the Education space with HP for 3 years10:54
RichEdSchools, education departments etc.10:54
cbx33give me an external scsi hdd and I'll have an ltsp server running at the school :p10:54
RichEdAnd seen lots of the "soft factors" that hamper adoption10:55
RichEd"we don't have budget to train in MS and Linux"10:55
mhzhehehe10:55
LaserJockUniversities!!10:55
RichEd"we don't have enough tech support"10:55
highvoltageRichEd: this would be internationally, right?10:55
RichEdso we need to build a compelling case for "overcoming the human hurdles"10:56
RichEdyep ... international ...10:56
RichEdSo I am here to help ... not interfere ;)10:56
mhzRichEd: thx, then I have lots of stuff tu bug you with10:57
ograRichEd, we'll gain some ground in germany soon it seems ... :)10:57
LaserJockawesome, thanks. I should be fun10:57
RichEdAnd will try to take ideas from the community ..., as well as requests from "the clients"10:57
LaserJocks/I/It/ shesh10:57
RichEdAnd put them in front of the people who can make it happen.10:57
=== HedgeMage nods
=== cbx33 notes he is a client as well :p
ograi had another call from the guy that is affiliated with the minisrty of education and arts of bayern ...10:57
highvoltagewe're going to cover *lots* of ground in .za from Inkululeku10:57
=== RichEd sits down again
RichEdogra: great10:57
highvoltageit's probably no 'edubuntu' stricktly, because we currently use Xfce10:58
ogralooks like he has arranged stuff like TV interviews etc10:58
mhzhighvoltage: me too! :D10:58
ograin september ... 10:58
highvoltagebut we're going to sign up as official ubuntu partner, so i guess it would count as official.10:58
ograwe'll need to talk since he wants me to represent 10:58
RichEdbrb 15 secs10:58
cbx33highvoltage, what does that entail?>10:58
cbx33the partner thing?10:58
mhzRichEd: well, we have a very agressive insertion plan this year for Chile, so I'd  better sum it up and email it to you10:58
RichEdmhz: please yes10:59
highvoltagecbx33: http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/become10:59
RichEdjsgotangco also has some exciting stuff happenng in Philipines10:59
cbx33RichEd, is there the possibility of coming up with a "pack" to send to educational iministers etc10:59
RichEd(apart from an active volcano close to his house spewing lava)10:59
cbx33about edubuntu>10:59
mhzlol10:59
RichEdcbx33: Mark has asked me to get "a directed education message" set up ...11:00
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RichEdweb site & pdf11:00
RichEdfor exactly that purpose11:00
cbx33cool11:00
cbx33esa could be useful there Lp11:00
cbx33:p11:00
RichEdWe also have a reporter in India who is pushing for Ubuntu / 6Eubuntu as a C development teaching platform in 60 schools11:01
ogranice !11:01
RichEdWith a route into showing the local govt. how to do it ... and avoid the MS win & sql licence fees11:01
mhzyeah, this is the Year of Edubuntu11:02
cbx33RichEd, yeh see this is what we nned11:02
cbx33mhz, I agree11:02
RichEdAnd he has a Post Grad student in Florida who is a sidebar assistant11:02
RichEdSo lots of opportunity to mine.11:02
ograsounds very cool 11:03
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cbx33RichEd, that pack would be useful :p11:03
mhzcbx33: ESA has lots of the arguments we'd need11:03
cbx33yes11:03
RichEdNote also that I hope to use my relationship with HP Education Country managers (Europe & ZA & Africa) to try to push Edubuntu11:03
cbx33excellent11:03
cbx33RichEd, how viable do you think BETT2007 is?11:04
RichEd(in their solution deals) as well as for Student OEM offerings11:04
highvoltageRichEd: would be nice if you could round them all up again ;)11:04
=== HedgeMage nods
HedgeMageRichEd: Any notes/news about the US?11:04
RichEdAs I said earlier cbx33 : we have some routes of least resistance ... like india etc. so not sure if the "money people" will be keen on "ad spend" 11:04
RichEdVersus applied project spend11:04
mhzRichEd: in Chile and other countries we're getting together to form the Institute of Free Software for Latinamerica. Edubuntu is the king in such realms11:05
cbx33if we're going to shower the auths with details they must see us ..... in the field like everyone else11:05
cbx33RichEd, I understand11:05
cbx33on a side note, did that spreadsheet seem ok?11:05
RichEdBut will table all suggestions when I have to present a plan to Mark in week 1 Aug in London11:05
RichEdI'll try to cover all bases in suggestions ... but he will probably direct resource & money priorities11:06
cbx33sure11:06
RichEdcbx33: looks good on first pass ... will revise & comment11:06
cbx33ok cool11:06
RichEdcbx33 and I will set up a template for "conference funding requests" so the foramt is consistent when we ask for $11:07
cbx33yes11:07
RichEdthat's all from me for now.11:07
highvoltageogra11:07
cbx33we at time up aren't we?11:07
highvoltageogra said he had something to say11:08
RichEdmhz: please send details re South America :)11:08
AliasVegasremember everyone... email me you artwork comments! :)11:08
ograhighvoltage, i already did11:08
highvoltageoh ok :)11:08
ograhighvoltage, we'll probably get in german TV11:08
highvoltageaah11:08
mhzsure, RichEd. In fact, I sent about 5 emails to Mark telling what is going on, and that we needed help...no response.11:08
ograwith some additional advantage of a bunch of schools in byern switching to edubuntu :)11:09
ogra*bayern11:09
mhzRichEd: politically it is the time for being agressive in LAm, so is the time for market11:09
RichEdmhz: i think i'm supposed to help him with this ... filter & digest & consolidate ... preserve bandwidth11:09
RichEdand i wil respond :)11:09
mhzRichEd: sure, I undersand11:09
RichEdwill <- will11:09
mhzRichEd: and I will pke if not :D11:10
mhzpoke11:10
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mhzhehehe11:10
HedgeMagelol11:10
ograheh11:10
highvoltageRichEd: i just set up a filter for mhz 11:10
cbx33mhz, use a tazer :p11:10
mhzlol11:10
mhznot yet, let's see him in action firts11:11
=== RichEd puts up a farce field
HedgeMagecbx33: that's just evil... I like it ;)11:11
mhzcbx33: remember he may fight back ;)11:11
HedgeMageRichEd: lol freudian slip?11:11
ograheh11:11
RichEdnope .. that one was quite intentional ;)11:11
cbx33hadn't thought of that11:11
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mhzcbx33: but I can throw him a WinXP CD and license11:11
mhz;)11:11
HedgeMagehighvoltage: so go to sleep :P11:11
ograhighvoltage, thast the danger if you sit in bed while meeting :)11:11
RichEdis your "laptop" calling highvoltage ?11:12
ograhahaha11:12
highvoltageogra: i'm actually lying, probably more dangerous :)11:12
cbx33ooooh 11:12
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cbx33lying.....11:12
RichEdremember some virus protection please11:12
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ograi think we're also 12 mins over time ....11:12
ograso we should probably close here and move over to ur own room :)11:13
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ograLaserJock, tell us :)11:13
highvoltageLaserJock: hey! i've seen you in bed with your wife's laptop too!11:13
ograhaha11:13
LaserJockshush11:13
LaserJock;-)11:13
ograok, any other stuff ? 11:14
=== RichEd is done
ogragoing once11:14
AliasVegasremember everyone... email me you artwork comments! :)11:14
highvoltagethis has been a nice buzzy meeting11:14
ogragoing twice11:14
ograAliasVegas, i'll nag them ;)11:14
cbx33test grasynco11:14
mhzAliasVegas: yeah, but URL?11:14
ograyeah, test the milestone CDs !11:14
highvoltagemhz: that's comments of previous releae11:15
ograreport BUGS !!11:15
ogrameeting ....11:15
highvoltagemay the force be with you.11:15
ogra.... adjourned 11:15
LaserJock\o/11:15
ograthanks everyone !11:15
cbx33phew11:15
ogra:)11:15
mhzTHX all!11:15
=== cbx33 is not looking forward to minuting that one
RichEdthanks all ... nice to meet you and great to be on board11:15
ogralol11:15
AliasVegas:)11:15
ogracbx33, we had worse ones :)11:15
cbx33hehe11:16
ograactually i found that one very productive :)11:16
ograin all areas ...11:16
HedgeMage:)11:16
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AliasVegasnight guys!  :)11:21
teolemongood night11:22
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